1 00:00:00,280 --> 00:00:06,640 Speaker 1: Today's classic episode explores a mystery that remains unsolved in 2 00:00:06,720 --> 00:00:09,719 Speaker 1: the modern day. Some people on the beach in Somerton 3 00:00:09,880 --> 00:00:13,560 Speaker 1: found a very well dressed person holding a very cryptic 4 00:00:13,640 --> 00:00:17,680 Speaker 1: page from I Believe the Rubyats and no one knew 5 00:00:17,760 --> 00:00:20,760 Speaker 1: who he was. Yes, and we're talking about just south 6 00:00:20,800 --> 00:00:25,680 Speaker 1: of Adelaide, Australia. That's where this occurred. Very very strange 7 00:00:25,880 --> 00:00:30,960 Speaker 1: situation with this unsolved mystery. Really it's actually unsolved. Let's 8 00:00:30,960 --> 00:00:34,879 Speaker 1: dig in right now from UFOs two ghosts and government 9 00:00:34,920 --> 00:00:38,680 Speaker 1: cover ups. History is riddled with unexplained events. You can 10 00:00:38,720 --> 00:00:41,520 Speaker 1: turn back now or learn the stuff they don't want 11 00:00:41,560 --> 00:00:50,240 Speaker 1: you to now. A week or morning in the bowl 12 00:00:50,280 --> 00:00:53,760 Speaker 1: of night has flung the stone that puts the stars 13 00:00:53,840 --> 00:00:57,560 Speaker 1: to flight and blow. The Hunter of the East has 14 00:00:57,640 --> 00:01:02,320 Speaker 1: caught the Sultan's turret in a of light dreaming. When 15 00:01:02,400 --> 00:01:05,679 Speaker 1: Down's left hand was in the sky, I heard a 16 00:01:05,800 --> 00:01:09,880 Speaker 1: voice within the tavern cry, awake, my little ones, and 17 00:01:09,959 --> 00:01:14,400 Speaker 1: fill the cup before life's liquor in its cup be dry. 18 00:01:15,160 --> 00:01:18,679 Speaker 1: And as the cock crew those who stood before the 19 00:01:18,720 --> 00:01:23,279 Speaker 1: tavern shouted, opened then the door. You know how little 20 00:01:23,360 --> 00:01:27,960 Speaker 1: while we have to stay, and once departed may return 21 00:01:28,160 --> 00:01:33,440 Speaker 1: no more. Wow. That was that was different? What did what? 22 00:01:33,760 --> 00:01:36,200 Speaker 1: What was that from? Then? Uh? Yeah, we did not 23 00:01:36,319 --> 00:01:41,080 Speaker 1: write that. That is from something called the Rubiat, which 24 00:01:41,120 --> 00:01:45,200 Speaker 1: will specifically the English translation by a guy named Fitzgerald, 25 00:01:45,520 --> 00:01:50,480 Speaker 1: which will become important, we promise as this episode proceeds. 26 00:01:50,520 --> 00:01:52,920 Speaker 1: But first, Matt, the heck are we what are we 27 00:01:52,960 --> 00:01:57,400 Speaker 1: doing here? Well? My name is Matt Spoilers. Uh yeah, 28 00:01:57,440 --> 00:02:01,720 Speaker 1: I and Ben we're here of worse as always with 29 00:02:01,920 --> 00:02:05,920 Speaker 1: the the third of our musketeers, the numero trace of 30 00:02:06,000 --> 00:02:10,919 Speaker 1: our three amigos, are super Producer Nol the Aussie Brown. 31 00:02:12,360 --> 00:02:16,520 Speaker 1: You know, I was wondering, you know, I think I 32 00:02:16,520 --> 00:02:19,280 Speaker 1: don't think Aussie is is a derogatory term at all, 33 00:02:20,000 --> 00:02:22,440 Speaker 1: But I was wondering if we should have gone with Fosters, 34 00:02:23,160 --> 00:02:26,920 Speaker 1: because the Fosters beer commercials were quite popular here in 35 00:02:26,960 --> 00:02:29,960 Speaker 1: the US for a long time. Oh yeah, yeah, I 36 00:02:30,000 --> 00:02:33,839 Speaker 1: remember those. I have fond memories of those. I think 37 00:02:33,880 --> 00:02:36,640 Speaker 1: I remember them around the time that I started to 38 00:02:36,680 --> 00:02:40,399 Speaker 1: be able to drink. And then I remember trying one 39 00:02:40,480 --> 00:02:45,679 Speaker 1: and thinking, Okay, that's a beer. You weren't bowled over, 40 00:02:45,760 --> 00:02:48,960 Speaker 1: you weren't impressed. I don't know, maybe that's just maybe 41 00:02:48,960 --> 00:02:51,680 Speaker 1: that's just me. Well, maybe it's like guinness to you know, 42 00:02:52,240 --> 00:02:55,440 Speaker 1: the stories that the guinness here in the US is 43 00:02:56,040 --> 00:03:00,760 Speaker 1: garbage in comparison to the guinness brewed in Ireland and 44 00:03:01,560 --> 00:03:06,600 Speaker 1: those areas. Yeah. Yeah, it's also a sense memory. Taste 45 00:03:06,639 --> 00:03:09,600 Speaker 1: can be a sense memory almost as strongly as oil 46 00:03:09,639 --> 00:03:13,040 Speaker 1: factory or smells. But you know, I think, I think 47 00:03:13,080 --> 00:03:15,800 Speaker 1: that's such an interesting point. There's a study that I 48 00:03:15,880 --> 00:03:18,799 Speaker 1: cannot remember, and it has nothing to do with this episode, really, 49 00:03:19,040 --> 00:03:23,400 Speaker 1: but there's a study that you should dig up and 50 00:03:23,560 --> 00:03:27,080 Speaker 1: toss at your wine snob friends, which is that when 51 00:03:27,280 --> 00:03:32,280 Speaker 1: people are influenced by the environment or the context of 52 00:03:32,320 --> 00:03:37,040 Speaker 1: a taste, than it affects their perception of the taste. 53 00:03:37,080 --> 00:03:40,640 Speaker 1: Not not just psychologically, their brain reacts differently, yes, also 54 00:03:40,680 --> 00:03:44,800 Speaker 1: by a person that they perceive as someone of authority. Sure, yeah, 55 00:03:46,080 --> 00:03:50,800 Speaker 1: telling you that this terrible wine is just amazing. Right. 56 00:03:50,840 --> 00:03:54,839 Speaker 1: So Yeah, here's the way the experiment worked. The the 57 00:03:54,880 --> 00:03:58,280 Speaker 1: people conducting the experiment took several different kinds of blind 58 00:03:58,360 --> 00:04:03,800 Speaker 1: variety of ages, variety cost, variety of perceived quality, I guess, 59 00:04:03,960 --> 00:04:08,120 Speaker 1: and the they they would have somebody come out and 60 00:04:08,280 --> 00:04:10,880 Speaker 1: if I'm if I'm remembering this correctly, they would pour 61 00:04:11,800 --> 00:04:14,440 Speaker 1: some of the two buck chuck or whatever, which is 62 00:04:14,480 --> 00:04:16,800 Speaker 1: not not a bad wine. I'm not a wine guy. 63 00:04:16,920 --> 00:04:19,680 Speaker 1: But they would pour some sort of boxed wine into 64 00:04:20,080 --> 00:04:23,599 Speaker 1: this decanter and like carefully carefully poured in front of 65 00:04:23,640 --> 00:04:28,760 Speaker 1: the person while someone is describing authoritatively and with lustrous language, 66 00:04:29,080 --> 00:04:34,920 Speaker 1: the different um, the qualifications, yet, the bouquet, the pedigree, 67 00:04:35,360 --> 00:04:39,800 Speaker 1: and then they would have another very very um, very 68 00:04:39,880 --> 00:04:43,560 Speaker 1: fine wine, or at least considered as such. Uh, And 69 00:04:43,600 --> 00:04:45,240 Speaker 1: they would serve that and they would go, okay, well, 70 00:04:45,279 --> 00:04:48,560 Speaker 1: this is just some stuff we got off the shelf, uh, 71 00:04:48,960 --> 00:04:52,680 Speaker 1: which is true, like a moderately priced wine. Um, you know, 72 00:04:52,800 --> 00:04:55,160 Speaker 1: just what what do you think? How could you describe 73 00:04:55,200 --> 00:04:57,279 Speaker 1: the flavors? And then they would switch it around, and 74 00:04:57,360 --> 00:05:02,680 Speaker 1: people consistently found these amazing flavors in wine that they 75 00:05:02,720 --> 00:05:06,880 Speaker 1: were told was very important. I advanced to you that 76 00:05:06,920 --> 00:05:10,840 Speaker 1: in many cases, ladies and gentlemen, the old story is true. 77 00:05:10,880 --> 00:05:14,279 Speaker 1: The emperor has no clothes, and everybody just wants to 78 00:05:14,360 --> 00:05:19,839 Speaker 1: be cool and be an expert of some sort, including us. 79 00:05:19,640 --> 00:05:22,920 Speaker 1: At sometimes well, you know that's probably I'm such a 80 00:05:23,680 --> 00:05:26,120 Speaker 1: such a fil sine that I probably wouldn't understand or 81 00:05:26,160 --> 00:05:30,640 Speaker 1: appreciate wine at all, no worries. Man, many of us 82 00:05:31,600 --> 00:05:34,760 Speaker 1: you and I guess don't. So I know I'll try. 83 00:05:34,800 --> 00:05:38,039 Speaker 1: I'll try wine. But also I do just in in 84 00:05:38,120 --> 00:05:40,960 Speaker 1: the defense of all the people who might be training 85 00:05:41,000 --> 00:05:43,159 Speaker 1: to be small ya's. I don't know if that's a 86 00:05:43,160 --> 00:05:46,440 Speaker 1: big part of our audience space, but in their defense, 87 00:05:46,800 --> 00:05:50,280 Speaker 1: there clearly is an ability to differentiate and and they're 88 00:05:50,320 --> 00:05:53,120 Speaker 1: pretty different taste. The point of that experiment is just 89 00:05:53,480 --> 00:05:59,039 Speaker 1: how easily people are swede, right, how much people love 90 00:05:59,440 --> 00:06:06,640 Speaker 1: solving things, solving everything from is this wine of ex quality? 91 00:06:06,760 --> 00:06:11,679 Speaker 1: Or maybe perhaps oh hey, why why is that guy dead? Yes, 92 00:06:11,839 --> 00:06:15,039 Speaker 1: ladies and gentlemen, we are doing this this week. Uh 93 00:06:15,080 --> 00:06:17,760 Speaker 1: and for maybe a couple more episodes, we're going to 94 00:06:17,839 --> 00:06:23,279 Speaker 1: be looking at some of the most prominent unsolved cases 95 00:06:23,360 --> 00:06:27,320 Speaker 1: unsolved crimes in history. So, Matt, can you set the 96 00:06:27,360 --> 00:06:29,560 Speaker 1: scene for this one? Oh? Sure? Well, first of all, 97 00:06:29,600 --> 00:06:31,280 Speaker 1: we're not going to cover some of the ones who 98 00:06:31,279 --> 00:06:35,359 Speaker 1: may be thinking of Jack the Ripper, Zodiac killers. Yeah, 99 00:06:35,400 --> 00:06:37,919 Speaker 1: we're not gonna jump into that stuff yet, but we 100 00:06:38,040 --> 00:06:41,760 Speaker 1: might one day. That's those are separate things that we 101 00:06:41,800 --> 00:06:44,440 Speaker 1: could cover. I know history class has covered Jack the 102 00:06:44,520 --> 00:06:46,760 Speaker 1: Ripper pretty well. Yeah, I think stuff you should know, 103 00:06:46,880 --> 00:06:49,280 Speaker 1: definitely did We've we've got those you can check out 104 00:06:49,320 --> 00:06:52,719 Speaker 1: in the meantime. But what we want to do is 105 00:06:52,960 --> 00:06:55,880 Speaker 1: um at least especially with serial killers, we have some 106 00:06:55,960 --> 00:07:00,280 Speaker 1: other things up our sleeves, although we won't cover many 107 00:07:00,360 --> 00:07:05,240 Speaker 1: serial killer cases in this episode. Uh, just act surprised 108 00:07:05,320 --> 00:07:10,360 Speaker 1: later spoiler, right, So what will we do? So today, 109 00:07:10,400 --> 00:07:12,880 Speaker 1: we're gonna look at one of the crimes that we 110 00:07:13,240 --> 00:07:15,440 Speaker 1: looked at in the video that came out this week, 111 00:07:16,200 --> 00:07:18,080 Speaker 1: and uh, then we might I don't know, we might 112 00:07:18,120 --> 00:07:21,000 Speaker 1: do a couple more in the future. Yeah, and you know, 113 00:07:21,360 --> 00:07:24,880 Speaker 1: as long as are you on board nol Yeah, I speak. 114 00:07:25,520 --> 00:07:30,680 Speaker 1: Oh no, No, We're just gonna keep going with the studio. 115 00:07:30,880 --> 00:07:32,800 Speaker 1: I'm on board. You know, I'm on board with whatever 116 00:07:32,840 --> 00:07:36,760 Speaker 1: you guys got, all right, So we're also we're just 117 00:07:36,760 --> 00:07:40,040 Speaker 1: gonna take a quick look at one particular case in 118 00:07:40,080 --> 00:07:42,520 Speaker 1: this example, and then we're gonna look at maybe some 119 00:07:42,600 --> 00:07:46,160 Speaker 1: developments that have occurred with the case, because the first 120 00:07:46,240 --> 00:07:50,320 Speaker 1: one that we're gonna talk about happened a while ago. Yes, yes, 121 00:07:50,440 --> 00:07:53,280 Speaker 1: And at the end of this episode as well, we 122 00:07:53,320 --> 00:07:57,160 Speaker 1: have a have an interesting announcement, just some some background stuff. 123 00:07:57,200 --> 00:08:00,480 Speaker 1: But stay tuned for that, so yes has happened a 124 00:08:00,520 --> 00:08:06,280 Speaker 1: while ago. Specifically, on the first of December nineteen eight, 125 00:08:06,680 --> 00:08:11,320 Speaker 1: people find a body on Australia's Somerton Beach. This is 126 00:08:11,360 --> 00:08:15,880 Speaker 1: an Adelaide Australia. I know that my American accent is atrocious. 127 00:08:16,280 --> 00:08:18,360 Speaker 1: It's okay, it's gonna happen several times to both of 128 00:08:18,440 --> 00:08:20,440 Speaker 1: us in this episode and perhaps the only you know, 129 00:08:20,560 --> 00:08:22,640 Speaker 1: one of my Australian friends said that they found the 130 00:08:22,640 --> 00:08:26,480 Speaker 1: American accent grating. But that's just one person, not not 131 00:08:26,520 --> 00:08:30,800 Speaker 1: the best sample size. Would it be idol idolid? I 132 00:08:30,800 --> 00:08:33,480 Speaker 1: don't know. I don't know. One time on car stuff, 133 00:08:34,000 --> 00:08:37,199 Speaker 1: very helpful listener wrote in and said, okay, guys, you're 134 00:08:37,280 --> 00:08:40,320 Speaker 1: killing me. Here is here is a legend, you know, 135 00:08:40,360 --> 00:08:44,720 Speaker 1: independence of how to pronounce the following city names. But anyhow, 136 00:08:44,920 --> 00:08:49,880 Speaker 1: Somerton Beach, he's there, he's dead, or I should say 137 00:08:49,920 --> 00:08:54,000 Speaker 1: it's dead, because it's just a body object in space. Now, 138 00:08:54,200 --> 00:08:57,400 Speaker 1: especially when a forensic person comes up, they just okay, 139 00:08:57,440 --> 00:09:00,400 Speaker 1: this is a body. You identify that it's mail or female. 140 00:09:00,440 --> 00:09:03,000 Speaker 1: But it's just a body. No visible signs of death, 141 00:09:03,320 --> 00:09:09,839 Speaker 1: no signs of a struggle, and no identification Now, at first, 142 00:09:09,920 --> 00:09:13,480 Speaker 1: this is just a case of oh wow, okay, this 143 00:09:13,480 --> 00:09:17,040 Speaker 1: this body is here, this man is clearly dead. Um, 144 00:09:17,120 --> 00:09:20,440 Speaker 1: did he perhaps commit suicide? Was you know, was this 145 00:09:20,520 --> 00:09:25,199 Speaker 1: a homicide of some sort. They're not finding any serious 146 00:09:25,280 --> 00:09:29,680 Speaker 1: problems or let's say, wounds that would that would make 147 00:09:29,760 --> 00:09:33,559 Speaker 1: an investors say, okay, that's obviously the thing that happened. Sure. 148 00:09:34,000 --> 00:09:37,400 Speaker 1: And then as they're kind of rummaging through his clothing 149 00:09:38,520 --> 00:09:42,000 Speaker 1: and his possessions, they find a couple of strange things. 150 00:09:42,600 --> 00:09:47,360 Speaker 1: They find a second class, second class rail ticket to 151 00:09:47,600 --> 00:09:51,360 Speaker 1: another city to Henley Beach, I believe, uh ticket that 152 00:09:51,400 --> 00:09:55,679 Speaker 1: had already been used. That Let's see a comb. They 153 00:09:55,720 --> 00:09:58,040 Speaker 1: found a comb because you know, sometimes you gotta make 154 00:09:58,040 --> 00:10:02,240 Speaker 1: your hair right, some juicy fruit wing gum. Uh, cigarette 155 00:10:02,240 --> 00:10:05,839 Speaker 1: pack and let's see, oh in some matches because you 156 00:10:05,920 --> 00:10:08,760 Speaker 1: gotta like the cigarettes. That makes sense. Well, that checks out. 157 00:10:08,880 --> 00:10:11,920 Speaker 1: But that's not all they found, is it. No. They 158 00:10:11,960 --> 00:10:14,440 Speaker 1: found a small piece of paper that was hidden in 159 00:10:14,520 --> 00:10:17,000 Speaker 1: a pocket and his pants. And not like just a 160 00:10:17,040 --> 00:10:19,240 Speaker 1: pocket that you would usually find. This one was a 161 00:10:19,240 --> 00:10:22,880 Speaker 1: little more. It was a secret pocket. Yeah, at the 162 00:10:22,960 --> 00:10:26,079 Speaker 1: very least, it took them a little bit longer to find. Yes, exactly. 163 00:10:26,080 --> 00:10:28,200 Speaker 1: They didn't just rummage through and grab it. Well. On 164 00:10:28,280 --> 00:10:33,680 Speaker 1: this piece of paper it had two words tomin tom 165 00:10:33,720 --> 00:10:39,000 Speaker 1: mum should yes and to mom shud or toman shud. 166 00:10:39,280 --> 00:10:41,200 Speaker 1: You'll hear it spelled t A m A M t 167 00:10:41,400 --> 00:10:45,280 Speaker 1: A m a in as in north. This is uh. 168 00:10:45,440 --> 00:10:50,320 Speaker 1: This is the final phrase of an English translation by 169 00:10:50,400 --> 00:10:54,960 Speaker 1: a guy named Edward Fitzgerald. Uh. He the thing he translated, 170 00:10:54,960 --> 00:10:59,200 Speaker 1: the actual rub Yat of Omar Kaym is a bunch 171 00:10:59,240 --> 00:11:04,240 Speaker 1: of poems and anthology of poems, and they're about how 172 00:11:04,600 --> 00:11:09,080 Speaker 1: you shouldn't live life to the fullest essentially. Yeah. Yeah, 173 00:11:09,080 --> 00:11:11,000 Speaker 1: And that was what you read at the beginning of 174 00:11:11,040 --> 00:11:13,920 Speaker 1: this episode, right, that was the very opening of it. Uh. 175 00:11:14,000 --> 00:11:20,560 Speaker 1: The the freeze itself means something like the ending finished. Yeah, 176 00:11:20,640 --> 00:11:23,080 Speaker 1: it is finished, right, which is why it goes at 177 00:11:23,120 --> 00:11:25,040 Speaker 1: the end of at the end of the thing. So 178 00:11:26,200 --> 00:11:30,040 Speaker 1: the police, not the not the band if you're called, 179 00:11:30,040 --> 00:11:32,760 Speaker 1: they're not around yet, but the the actual law enforcement 180 00:11:32,800 --> 00:11:38,520 Speaker 1: of Australia at the time is baffled. This kind of 181 00:11:38,520 --> 00:11:43,840 Speaker 1: thing is not finding weird. Finding weird well dressed corpses 182 00:11:44,000 --> 00:11:48,240 Speaker 1: in Glenn Eld, South Australia is not what they usually Uh. 183 00:11:48,960 --> 00:11:51,960 Speaker 1: What they usually count on. Yeah, it seems cryptic to 184 00:11:52,040 --> 00:11:55,079 Speaker 1: say the least. Just why this piece of paper with 185 00:11:55,240 --> 00:11:57,959 Speaker 1: this thing on a man who just died that says 186 00:11:58,080 --> 00:12:03,760 Speaker 1: it's finished or finished or the strange? Interestingly enough, Glenn 187 00:12:03,760 --> 00:12:07,480 Speaker 1: elg the the sort of like the beach suburb of 188 00:12:07,520 --> 00:12:11,240 Speaker 1: Battely where this happened, is the oldest European settlement on 189 00:12:11,480 --> 00:12:17,000 Speaker 1: mainland South Australia. Yet the oldest in general is it's 190 00:12:17,000 --> 00:12:19,120 Speaker 1: not the Olds in general, but the Oldster for South Australia. 191 00:12:19,160 --> 00:12:21,199 Speaker 1: A lot of history there. I don't think. I don't 192 00:12:21,240 --> 00:12:26,920 Speaker 1: think that ties in, but anyhow who knows? Man? So yes, 193 00:12:27,080 --> 00:12:31,240 Speaker 1: So this uh, this theme of the rute yacht that 194 00:12:31,280 --> 00:12:33,720 Speaker 1: you should not one should not have regrets and do 195 00:12:34,480 --> 00:12:39,079 Speaker 1: live your life as though you will ah die tomorrow 196 00:12:39,240 --> 00:12:43,559 Speaker 1: and this is your one chance. You know, no second lives, 197 00:12:43,559 --> 00:12:49,840 Speaker 1: no continues, et cetera. This guy police theorizing profiling a 198 00:12:49,840 --> 00:12:52,000 Speaker 1: little bit and they said, well, this guy may be 199 00:12:52,080 --> 00:12:56,080 Speaker 1: committed suicide by poison, but that was their only evidence 200 00:12:56,120 --> 00:12:59,560 Speaker 1: of it. You know, usually if somebody poisons themselves, you'll 201 00:12:59,559 --> 00:13:03,560 Speaker 1: see writhing as the body spasm, and you can get 202 00:13:03,679 --> 00:13:07,000 Speaker 1: toxicology reports. Even then you can look through contents and 203 00:13:07,120 --> 00:13:10,840 Speaker 1: find something. Right, you can get um, you would see 204 00:13:10,920 --> 00:13:15,319 Speaker 1: vomit and stuff. The actual death was ruled heart failure. However, 205 00:13:15,440 --> 00:13:19,040 Speaker 1: the police also sent out again not the Sting Band, 206 00:13:19,720 --> 00:13:22,760 Speaker 1: the Law Enforcement of Australia. Sorry, we did a thing 207 00:13:22,760 --> 00:13:25,920 Speaker 1: on earworms earlier and I have all these songs stuck 208 00:13:25,960 --> 00:13:28,800 Speaker 1: in my head. Yeah so this but anyway, point being 209 00:13:29,000 --> 00:13:34,040 Speaker 1: the the law enforcement had an Australia wide announcement where 210 00:13:34,040 --> 00:13:37,520 Speaker 1: they said, we're looking for this book. Yeah the specific 211 00:13:38,280 --> 00:13:41,840 Speaker 1: someone tore this out of this book, do you have it? 212 00:13:42,160 --> 00:13:45,160 Speaker 1: And they found it. Yes, they did find it in 213 00:13:45,360 --> 00:13:48,400 Speaker 1: a strange way. Allegedly they found it, right, I mean 214 00:13:48,400 --> 00:13:51,439 Speaker 1: they found the book that had this thing torn out, 215 00:13:51,480 --> 00:13:53,720 Speaker 1: corn out of it, and it appears to match and 216 00:13:53,760 --> 00:13:56,440 Speaker 1: it yeah yeah, and it appears to have some other 217 00:13:56,520 --> 00:13:59,160 Speaker 1: clues that lead us further down the rabbit hole. The 218 00:13:59,200 --> 00:14:01,679 Speaker 1: thing that has weird to me is apparently there was 219 00:14:01,760 --> 00:14:04,120 Speaker 1: some guy who just said, oh, yeah, I have it. 220 00:14:04,240 --> 00:14:06,760 Speaker 1: I was part nearby and then someone through to my 221 00:14:06,800 --> 00:14:09,760 Speaker 1: car someone gave me this book for free. I thought, cool, 222 00:14:10,080 --> 00:14:12,360 Speaker 1: don't tell me, like, don't put me in the news 223 00:14:12,440 --> 00:14:17,040 Speaker 1: or anything. Yeah, please don't. Yeah. So the thing is 224 00:14:17,120 --> 00:14:20,760 Speaker 1: this this book. When they found this book, it had 225 00:14:20,800 --> 00:14:25,000 Speaker 1: handwriting showing pencil markings in the back right, and they 226 00:14:25,040 --> 00:14:28,040 Speaker 1: were presumed to be a code of some sort. They 227 00:14:28,040 --> 00:14:31,840 Speaker 1: were in pencil. Uh. You can see pictures of this everywhere, 228 00:14:31,920 --> 00:14:35,440 Speaker 1: but it's pretty much it's it's pretty much. These five 229 00:14:35,480 --> 00:14:40,880 Speaker 1: lines are a series of letters that might be a cipher, 230 00:14:40,920 --> 00:14:45,960 Speaker 1: that might be um, just acronyms or shorthand stuff to know. Right, 231 00:14:47,320 --> 00:14:50,200 Speaker 1: So people have been people have tried to figure this 232 00:14:50,240 --> 00:14:52,240 Speaker 1: out ever since it came out, and you can hear 233 00:14:52,280 --> 00:14:55,080 Speaker 1: people saying that they're closer to cracking the code. We 234 00:14:55,080 --> 00:14:57,680 Speaker 1: will have some undates on that. Let's fast forward to 235 00:14:58,440 --> 00:15:01,360 Speaker 1: January next year, nineteen forty nine, just two months later. 236 00:15:03,600 --> 00:15:06,960 Speaker 1: So two months later, if if we're thinking about where 237 00:15:07,000 --> 00:15:10,960 Speaker 1: we are, I guess on the beach. Not far from 238 00:15:11,000 --> 00:15:16,640 Speaker 1: there is the Adelaide railway station. And at that station 239 00:15:16,960 --> 00:15:22,080 Speaker 1: a brown suitcase is discovered. It's uh, it's just hanging out. 240 00:15:22,240 --> 00:15:24,440 Speaker 1: They it's one of those things like nowadays, if this 241 00:15:24,520 --> 00:15:27,040 Speaker 1: was discovered, there would have been a bomb squad there. 242 00:15:27,080 --> 00:15:30,120 Speaker 1: They would have probably blown the thing up or at 243 00:15:30,200 --> 00:15:33,160 Speaker 1: least send in some kind of team of police to 244 00:15:33,200 --> 00:15:36,360 Speaker 1: look at it. Um, let's see, I think I don't 245 00:15:36,400 --> 00:15:38,560 Speaker 1: think it had a label of any sort on it. 246 00:15:38,640 --> 00:15:41,280 Speaker 1: You know, the label had been removed, but they did 247 00:15:41,440 --> 00:15:43,880 Speaker 1: know when it had been checked in. That's right. It 248 00:15:43,920 --> 00:15:49,480 Speaker 1: was checked in on the thirty November, so about a 249 00:15:49,640 --> 00:15:54,320 Speaker 1: day before this guy is discovered. Dead. People for various reasons, 250 00:15:54,360 --> 00:15:57,680 Speaker 1: believe the suitcase was owned by the man, the Somerton man. 251 00:15:58,360 --> 00:16:02,040 Speaker 1: They found some weird up in there. So inside that 252 00:16:02,080 --> 00:16:05,640 Speaker 1: suitcase there were several things. There was a dressing gown, 253 00:16:06,240 --> 00:16:11,600 Speaker 1: some pajamas, a shaving kit, let's see, a screwdriver, some 254 00:16:12,000 --> 00:16:14,720 Speaker 1: another pair of pants that had sand in them. Apparently 255 00:16:15,040 --> 00:16:17,760 Speaker 1: perhaps he was there longer. Perhaps I don't know, maybe 256 00:16:17,760 --> 00:16:20,720 Speaker 1: he was just like hanging out on that beach a lot. Uh, 257 00:16:20,920 --> 00:16:24,600 Speaker 1: some slippers, a pair of scissors that were sharpened seemed 258 00:16:24,640 --> 00:16:28,760 Speaker 1: maybe they were weaponized. A couple other things. Uh what else? 259 00:16:28,800 --> 00:16:35,120 Speaker 1: There was a brush, a stenciling brush, and I think 260 00:16:35,160 --> 00:16:37,560 Speaker 1: I don't know, there are a couple other things there, right. Well, 261 00:16:37,600 --> 00:16:39,800 Speaker 1: that's the This is where we get to a very 262 00:16:39,840 --> 00:16:42,560 Speaker 1: interesting point in the story because of all the things 263 00:16:42,600 --> 00:16:44,920 Speaker 1: that we name that were found on the man's body 264 00:16:44,960 --> 00:16:47,760 Speaker 1: when he died, A receipt for the coat check was 265 00:16:47,800 --> 00:16:52,280 Speaker 1: not one of them. And the way this stuff works 266 00:16:52,360 --> 00:16:55,840 Speaker 1: is anyone with the receipt can grab something. So it's possible, 267 00:16:56,000 --> 00:16:59,280 Speaker 1: if not likely, that someone else came in with the 268 00:16:59,320 --> 00:17:02,960 Speaker 1: receipt and took things from the contents of the bag. 269 00:17:03,400 --> 00:17:06,160 Speaker 1: I don't know. It's an interesting thing to think about, 270 00:17:06,200 --> 00:17:08,520 Speaker 1: but the truth is it doesn't seem like the receipts 271 00:17:08,560 --> 00:17:11,400 Speaker 1: on his body. And maybe there's one very important thing 272 00:17:11,400 --> 00:17:17,000 Speaker 1: in there right and this There are some updates we 273 00:17:17,040 --> 00:17:20,560 Speaker 1: can give here, but before we get straight into those, 274 00:17:21,200 --> 00:17:24,040 Speaker 1: let's take it to the present day, and then we'll 275 00:17:24,080 --> 00:17:26,280 Speaker 1: go do a few years ago. There's a guy named 276 00:17:26,280 --> 00:17:31,639 Speaker 1: Professor Derek Abbott. He is He is a active researcher, 277 00:17:31,760 --> 00:17:35,399 Speaker 1: probably the m I would say, without a doubt, the 278 00:17:35,440 --> 00:17:38,639 Speaker 1: most serious researcher of this case, at least in the 279 00:17:38,720 --> 00:17:42,040 Speaker 1: public eye, unless the spy thing turns out to be 280 00:17:42,200 --> 00:17:45,679 Speaker 1: true and the guy has a file on him somewhere 281 00:17:45,680 --> 00:17:49,320 Speaker 1: in uh M I six or you know, somewhere in 282 00:17:49,560 --> 00:17:53,040 Speaker 1: the CIA files or something. But but where would they 283 00:17:53,080 --> 00:17:55,679 Speaker 1: have and where would they have gotten that? That's a 284 00:17:55,680 --> 00:17:58,680 Speaker 1: different story. So with a huge thanks to the work 285 00:17:58,720 --> 00:18:01,440 Speaker 1: of Professor Abbott, we'd also like to point out to 286 00:18:01,680 --> 00:18:04,960 Speaker 1: listeners that if you want more information about this case, 287 00:18:05,480 --> 00:18:08,520 Speaker 1: then just check his name and look into some of 288 00:18:08,560 --> 00:18:12,120 Speaker 1: the stuff he's doing. He's still very active on here. 289 00:18:12,680 --> 00:18:15,879 Speaker 1: So let's get to the updates. I guess we should say. 290 00:18:16,440 --> 00:18:21,840 Speaker 1: Here's where it gets crazy and recent and recent. Yes, okay. 291 00:18:21,880 --> 00:18:25,520 Speaker 1: In two thousand eleven, wait, let me rewind a little bit. 292 00:18:25,720 --> 00:18:28,679 Speaker 1: There was another thing found in that copy of the 293 00:18:28,760 --> 00:18:33,280 Speaker 1: Rube yacht, and that was an unlisted phone number which 294 00:18:33,440 --> 00:18:37,920 Speaker 1: police tracked down. So and and later dr Avitt does 295 00:18:37,960 --> 00:18:41,520 Speaker 1: as well. But okay, So two thousand eleven, an Adelaide 296 00:18:41,560 --> 00:18:47,399 Speaker 1: woman contacts uh anthropologist, a biological anthropologist, about an I 297 00:18:47,560 --> 00:18:51,720 Speaker 1: D card that she found in her father's belongings. This 298 00:18:51,880 --> 00:18:55,280 Speaker 1: card was the kind of card that the US would 299 00:18:55,280 --> 00:19:02,120 Speaker 1: give to foreign uh semen or s e A. M Okay, 300 00:19:03,320 --> 00:19:06,320 Speaker 1: I don't think you're that's correct with myself anyway. The 301 00:19:06,440 --> 00:19:14,040 Speaker 1: name on it is an HC. Reynolds, Um. Yeah. And 302 00:19:14,080 --> 00:19:18,440 Speaker 1: facial experts are looking at the photograph of the Summerton Man, 303 00:19:18,920 --> 00:19:21,840 Speaker 1: you know, the late Summerton Man, and then this photograph 304 00:19:21,920 --> 00:19:24,960 Speaker 1: of this Hennenburg thing, and they're saying that due to 305 00:19:25,119 --> 00:19:28,879 Speaker 1: some distinct features of the ears in the mouth or 306 00:19:28,880 --> 00:19:34,720 Speaker 1: the teeth rather that they can positively identify the guy. 307 00:19:34,840 --> 00:19:38,119 Speaker 1: But there's some problems, right, we know, we know a 308 00:19:38,119 --> 00:19:40,760 Speaker 1: lot of stuff about this I d card. Well, yeah, 309 00:19:40,800 --> 00:19:45,959 Speaker 1: the most important thing is that Mr HC. Reynolds didn't 310 00:19:45,960 --> 00:19:50,080 Speaker 1: seem to exist, right. Yeah, they've got the uh, the 311 00:19:50,200 --> 00:19:57,680 Speaker 1: date of issuance February eighteen to Mr Reynolds. He's listed 312 00:19:57,720 --> 00:20:01,919 Speaker 1: as an eighteen year old British Man. Let's searching the 313 00:20:02,040 --> 00:20:06,919 Speaker 1: U S National Archives. What else the uh? Some of 314 00:20:06,920 --> 00:20:10,199 Speaker 1: the Australian archives and the War Memorial I believe in 315 00:20:10,240 --> 00:20:15,439 Speaker 1: the UK National Archives turned up nothing but kids. Who's 316 00:20:15,480 --> 00:20:22,520 Speaker 1: the dude? Zero? Yeah? Who was this dude? Well? Obviously HC. 317 00:20:22,680 --> 00:20:25,720 Speaker 1: Reynolds is either name lost the time or a name 318 00:20:25,800 --> 00:20:32,560 Speaker 1: manufactured rather than owned. So the number that they find 319 00:20:32,600 --> 00:20:34,840 Speaker 1: in the back of the book, it belongs to a 320 00:20:34,920 --> 00:20:37,760 Speaker 1: nurse who lived or who used to be a nurse, 321 00:20:37,800 --> 00:20:40,800 Speaker 1: who lived in a place called Mosley Street, and that 322 00:20:41,000 --> 00:20:48,920 Speaker 1: was about four maybeet. It was pretty much right next 323 00:20:48,960 --> 00:20:53,640 Speaker 1: to where they found this body. And here's her story. 324 00:20:54,040 --> 00:20:58,960 Speaker 1: She originally said that she was working in Sydney during 325 00:20:59,000 --> 00:21:01,119 Speaker 1: World War Two. She had a copy of the Rubiyat 326 00:21:01,680 --> 00:21:05,240 Speaker 1: and at the Clifton Gardens Hotel she gave it to 327 00:21:05,640 --> 00:21:11,399 Speaker 1: an army lieutenant alf Voxhall and you know they have 328 00:21:11,480 --> 00:21:19,080 Speaker 1: been involved, perhaps um romantically, so because her phone numbers 329 00:21:19,119 --> 00:21:22,720 Speaker 1: listed there. Right. The authorities show her a plaster cast 330 00:21:22,800 --> 00:21:25,680 Speaker 1: of the Somerton Man and she says, no, no, I 331 00:21:25,720 --> 00:21:27,640 Speaker 1: don't I don't know him. I don't know who that is. 332 00:21:27,720 --> 00:21:32,480 Speaker 1: But people who were there also say that she and 333 00:21:32,600 --> 00:21:35,160 Speaker 1: by people who were there, I mean like medical examiners 334 00:21:35,560 --> 00:21:39,159 Speaker 1: also say that she refused to look at the body 335 00:21:39,200 --> 00:21:43,480 Speaker 1: afterwards of the cast. She had a palpable reaction. Um. 336 00:21:43,600 --> 00:21:45,680 Speaker 1: But she didn't want her name to be out there 337 00:21:45,720 --> 00:21:49,240 Speaker 1: because she didn't want to be in the public eye 338 00:21:49,480 --> 00:21:54,680 Speaker 1: and personal some personal reasons maybe not to be associated 339 00:21:54,720 --> 00:21:58,679 Speaker 1: with absolutely. So the police said, okay, that's it. The 340 00:21:58,720 --> 00:22:02,040 Speaker 1: dead man is alf be Boxel. Yeah, even though she 341 00:22:02,080 --> 00:22:05,960 Speaker 1: said no, it's not him, right right, All well and good, 342 00:22:06,560 --> 00:22:10,560 Speaker 1: except for the fact that he wasn't dead and he 343 00:22:10,680 --> 00:22:16,240 Speaker 1: shows up later. Uh they gave they and he shows 344 00:22:16,320 --> 00:22:19,320 Speaker 1: up with his copy of the root Yacht. Yeah. So 345 00:22:19,560 --> 00:22:24,680 Speaker 1: they gave her in voiceover and stuff like that. They 346 00:22:24,840 --> 00:22:29,520 Speaker 1: called her Justin based on the signature following the verse 347 00:22:29,600 --> 00:22:33,120 Speaker 1: that she had written in the front of the book. Um, 348 00:22:33,160 --> 00:22:36,959 Speaker 1: this might have been like a pet name. You know, 349 00:22:37,040 --> 00:22:40,680 Speaker 1: what happens in relationship. Maybe they don't know. Maybe they're 350 00:22:40,680 --> 00:22:43,719 Speaker 1: styling on it a little yeah, yeah, yeah. Maybe a 351 00:22:43,720 --> 00:22:47,199 Speaker 1: lot of truth is told in justin or something. But 352 00:22:48,240 --> 00:22:55,679 Speaker 1: so this uh, this person has been interviewed, um. And 353 00:22:56,119 --> 00:22:58,159 Speaker 1: when she was interviewed in two thousand two, she just 354 00:22:58,200 --> 00:23:00,720 Speaker 1: didn't want to talk about it. She said family didn't 355 00:23:00,760 --> 00:23:04,120 Speaker 1: know about the connection to the case because she was married. 356 00:23:04,200 --> 00:23:07,919 Speaker 1: The people interviewed her believed that she absolutely knows the 357 00:23:08,000 --> 00:23:13,240 Speaker 1: identity of the Summerton Man at this point. Also, um, 358 00:23:14,880 --> 00:23:18,479 Speaker 1: apparently she said she was married, but she wasn't well. 359 00:23:18,520 --> 00:23:20,600 Speaker 1: At least they couldn't find a record. They couldn't find 360 00:23:20,640 --> 00:23:23,840 Speaker 1: a record at the time. They thought her real name. 361 00:23:23,880 --> 00:23:27,439 Speaker 1: Originally her real name was important because it might be 362 00:23:27,800 --> 00:23:32,000 Speaker 1: the decryption key what this guy wrote. And we'll see 363 00:23:32,119 --> 00:23:37,680 Speaker 1: what dr Abbott has to say about that in a moment. First, 364 00:23:38,480 --> 00:23:41,160 Speaker 1: let's go back further in time, because there's another thing 365 00:23:41,280 --> 00:23:45,800 Speaker 1: that's really weird that happens years before the Summerton Man. So, yeah, 366 00:23:45,840 --> 00:23:52,000 Speaker 1: three years before this man dies in nineteen thirty thirty 367 00:23:52,080 --> 00:23:56,840 Speaker 1: four year old guy who hails from Singapore named Joseph 368 00:23:57,000 --> 00:24:02,400 Speaker 1: Marshall was found in Sydney dead. Now here's the thing, Ben, 369 00:24:03,080 --> 00:24:05,560 Speaker 1: he had a copy of The Rubiat, just like this, 370 00:24:06,160 --> 00:24:08,080 Speaker 1: just like these other people who just happen to have 371 00:24:08,119 --> 00:24:11,160 Speaker 1: copies of the Rubiat because this is, you know, I guess, 372 00:24:11,160 --> 00:24:14,800 Speaker 1: a popular book. Right. His death ruled to be a 373 00:24:14,880 --> 00:24:18,320 Speaker 1: suicide by poisoning risk. Funny that you say that about 374 00:24:18,359 --> 00:24:21,400 Speaker 1: the Rubiat, because we do have to ask if this 375 00:24:21,440 --> 00:24:25,960 Speaker 1: is only coincidence, it's possible. Well, here's the thing. Here's 376 00:24:26,000 --> 00:24:28,280 Speaker 1: the thing. The Rubiat was a very popular book at 377 00:24:28,280 --> 00:24:33,200 Speaker 1: the time. Sales of its skyrocketed every Valentine's Day and 378 00:24:33,359 --> 00:24:35,800 Speaker 1: people are trying to hook up, and they're saying, how 379 00:24:35,960 --> 00:24:39,879 Speaker 1: sensitive I am here, Like, here's a hey baby, here's 380 00:24:39,920 --> 00:24:41,760 Speaker 1: a book that's all about how you know you should 381 00:24:41,760 --> 00:24:47,160 Speaker 1: live life. That's right, I mean, let's get some coffee. Uh. 382 00:24:47,240 --> 00:24:50,040 Speaker 1: And perhaps I'm being a little bit um No, I 383 00:24:50,240 --> 00:24:52,720 Speaker 1: I totally I see that. I saw it in my heaven. 384 00:24:52,840 --> 00:24:54,800 Speaker 1: But it is, but it is, you know, I'm saying, 385 00:24:54,800 --> 00:24:57,520 Speaker 1: it is possible these are unrelated. Except when they held 386 00:24:57,560 --> 00:25:02,119 Speaker 1: an inquest for this guy he named wedded. Dorothy Graham 387 00:25:02,240 --> 00:25:06,920 Speaker 1: testified and was found dead thirteen days later, face down naked, 388 00:25:07,240 --> 00:25:11,800 Speaker 1: with or risk slet. So this means it does open 389 00:25:11,920 --> 00:25:17,000 Speaker 1: up the possibility then that that may be the Rubyat 390 00:25:17,160 --> 00:25:20,480 Speaker 1: or a specific translation of it could be used as 391 00:25:20,560 --> 00:25:23,760 Speaker 1: sort of a decoding thing for the spies totally. But 392 00:25:23,840 --> 00:25:26,840 Speaker 1: the problem is that the Rubyat this guy had, the 393 00:25:26,880 --> 00:25:31,680 Speaker 1: Rubiat Marshall had is not the same addition, and you 394 00:25:31,800 --> 00:25:34,000 Speaker 1: it generally needed to be the same addition, so everything 395 00:25:34,040 --> 00:25:36,720 Speaker 1: would match up, right, one would assume, or at least 396 00:25:37,359 --> 00:25:39,399 Speaker 1: maybe parts of it did match up. So this is 397 00:25:39,440 --> 00:25:44,160 Speaker 1: where we find several distinct possibilities. It's more or less 398 00:25:44,280 --> 00:25:49,400 Speaker 1: proven that there was some sort of relationship between uh, 399 00:25:49,520 --> 00:25:53,800 Speaker 1: this person known as Justin and this person known as 400 00:25:53,840 --> 00:26:01,600 Speaker 1: the Somerton Man. It is heavily implied that there could 401 00:26:01,680 --> 00:26:08,400 Speaker 1: be a possibility of spying and shenanigans. So I guess 402 00:26:08,480 --> 00:26:11,399 Speaker 1: the question I would ask is, before we go on 403 00:26:11,560 --> 00:26:16,239 Speaker 1: any further, what what do you think? Uh, what do 404 00:26:16,280 --> 00:26:17,880 Speaker 1: you think that? Do you think there's a spy thing? 405 00:26:18,760 --> 00:26:23,760 Speaker 1: It reeks of of behavior of let's say spying, But 406 00:26:23,840 --> 00:26:26,720 Speaker 1: I would say maybe they're a part of a different 407 00:26:26,880 --> 00:26:30,960 Speaker 1: secretive group. That maybe isn't even officially a part of 408 00:26:31,040 --> 00:26:36,480 Speaker 1: some government. Maybe they are communicating, maybe they're criminals. Maybe 409 00:26:36,560 --> 00:26:39,280 Speaker 1: that's how they're communicating, and they were being super serious 410 00:26:39,280 --> 00:26:43,159 Speaker 1: about it. Maybe somebody in their group had some background 411 00:26:44,200 --> 00:26:46,240 Speaker 1: with spycraft and they're like that, we're going to use 412 00:26:46,240 --> 00:26:48,800 Speaker 1: this rubyat this is how we're going to communicate. The 413 00:26:49,280 --> 00:26:51,439 Speaker 1: thing of writing the codes in the back of the 414 00:26:51,440 --> 00:26:55,080 Speaker 1: book seems a bit sloppy to me. Yeah, because I'm 415 00:26:55,160 --> 00:26:58,640 Speaker 1: I'm trying to put myself in that position of this 416 00:26:58,720 --> 00:27:02,240 Speaker 1: is this is my book of codes, right, I don't 417 00:27:02,240 --> 00:27:04,440 Speaker 1: want anyone to know it's my book of codes. I'm 418 00:27:04,480 --> 00:27:06,520 Speaker 1: going to write in the back of it some codes 419 00:27:07,640 --> 00:27:11,600 Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know. So yeah, there's a 420 00:27:11,720 --> 00:27:15,040 Speaker 1: great thing you can see on Reddit under the Unresolved 421 00:27:15,080 --> 00:27:21,040 Speaker 1: Mystery subreddit. Fantastic, pretty good read. Uh. Professor Abbott's responding 422 00:27:21,119 --> 00:27:23,840 Speaker 1: to people. This is an old threat, but earlier this 423 00:27:23,920 --> 00:27:28,240 Speaker 1: year he's responding to people about how he believes this 424 00:27:28,640 --> 00:27:35,000 Speaker 1: woman knew who the Sumrton Man was, and and she 425 00:27:35,080 --> 00:27:38,000 Speaker 1: may have I'm going to quote him here, she may 426 00:27:38,000 --> 00:27:41,359 Speaker 1: have played a role in removing his identity after the fact. 427 00:27:42,200 --> 00:27:47,600 Speaker 1: So there's a motive, if not evidence, but still even 428 00:27:47,760 --> 00:27:50,200 Speaker 1: this case, and you know I will see this. Dr 429 00:27:50,400 --> 00:27:57,679 Speaker 1: Abbott proceeds very um, very judiciously. You know, he's not 430 00:27:57,760 --> 00:28:02,280 Speaker 1: jumping to any any crazy um conclusions just because they 431 00:28:02,320 --> 00:28:05,400 Speaker 1: would be the cool thing. But he did find the 432 00:28:05,480 --> 00:28:09,720 Speaker 1: real name of the lady and the real name of 433 00:28:09,840 --> 00:28:18,080 Speaker 1: justin it J. E. Thompson, and he did some crack 434 00:28:18,160 --> 00:28:24,119 Speaker 1: investigative work to track this down. And at this point, 435 00:28:24,160 --> 00:28:28,480 Speaker 1: you know you can you can find that information. But 436 00:28:28,480 --> 00:28:30,800 Speaker 1: but it all comes back to this. Despite all of 437 00:28:30,840 --> 00:28:35,120 Speaker 1: the excellent research that Professor Abbott has done that the 438 00:28:35,119 --> 00:28:38,640 Speaker 1: original interviewers have done, the fact of the matter is 439 00:28:39,240 --> 00:28:44,040 Speaker 1: that if she had a child out of wedlock with 440 00:28:44,080 --> 00:28:50,000 Speaker 1: the Somerton man, then maybe the maybe the guy was 441 00:28:50,200 --> 00:28:55,320 Speaker 1: trying to visit his kid. Maybe something went south with 442 00:28:56,280 --> 00:29:01,280 Speaker 1: reporting on UK aircraft. That's another theory that private investigator has. 443 00:29:03,280 --> 00:29:06,640 Speaker 1: Whatever happened, one of the best shots we have at 444 00:29:06,680 --> 00:29:09,680 Speaker 1: getting some hard evidence about this guy's identity would be 445 00:29:09,720 --> 00:29:13,959 Speaker 1: a DNA test to prove whether or not those descendants 446 00:29:14,920 --> 00:29:19,320 Speaker 1: of the nurse are related to the Somerton man. And 447 00:29:19,360 --> 00:29:22,640 Speaker 1: to do that, you know, we have to have a 448 00:29:23,240 --> 00:29:26,880 Speaker 1: we have to have the body yeah, and it exists. 449 00:29:26,960 --> 00:29:29,680 Speaker 1: We know where it is. It's in a cemetery called 450 00:29:29,680 --> 00:29:33,400 Speaker 1: West Terrace Cemetery in Adelaide. Uh, I mean it's been 451 00:29:33,400 --> 00:29:39,800 Speaker 1: there since. Here's the problem we we we uh, the 452 00:29:39,800 --> 00:29:44,240 Speaker 1: investigators can't get permission to to take the corpse out, 453 00:29:44,640 --> 00:29:47,200 Speaker 1: or at least they're refusing to do something right and 454 00:29:47,280 --> 00:29:50,280 Speaker 1: apparently it's a legal minefield to try to navigate. That 455 00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:53,880 Speaker 1: Professor Abbott did say, and this was earlier at the 456 00:29:53,920 --> 00:29:58,040 Speaker 1: beginning of that he feels it's inevitable that at some 457 00:29:58,120 --> 00:30:03,640 Speaker 1: points this this disinterment will occur, and it's really too 458 00:30:04,080 --> 00:30:10,040 Speaker 1: I guess, filling some missing pieces for the family. So 459 00:30:10,080 --> 00:30:12,560 Speaker 1: if we want to get to the speculation here, that's 460 00:30:12,680 --> 00:30:15,360 Speaker 1: that's what we know so far. That's like the real, 461 00:30:16,280 --> 00:30:21,040 Speaker 1: the real deal with a little bit of speculation. But uh, 462 00:30:21,240 --> 00:30:24,640 Speaker 1: the there's that sixty minutes interview that I think we 463 00:30:24,720 --> 00:30:29,040 Speaker 1: might have mentioned when Jessica Thompson or j Thompson uh, 464 00:30:29,800 --> 00:30:32,880 Speaker 1: her daughter, was interviewed a lady named Kate Thompson. She 465 00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:36,160 Speaker 1: says she thinks her mom was a Soviet spy, may 466 00:30:36,200 --> 00:30:38,560 Speaker 1: have had a hand in the murder of the Summerton man. 467 00:30:38,640 --> 00:30:41,960 Speaker 1: So maybe it was a spy situation gone wrong and 468 00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:46,720 Speaker 1: she had to dose. Um it wasn't isn't there speculation 469 00:30:46,760 --> 00:30:50,120 Speaker 1: that there was a flower used, possibly in his death 470 00:30:50,120 --> 00:30:53,000 Speaker 1: as poisoning. I haven't heard that one, I think. I mean, look, 471 00:30:53,040 --> 00:30:56,760 Speaker 1: that's just me rolling around in places that maybe aren't 472 00:30:56,760 --> 00:30:59,680 Speaker 1: so reputable on the Internet. But I think there was. 473 00:31:00,240 --> 00:31:02,120 Speaker 1: There was a theory, and I apologize it on my 474 00:31:02,160 --> 00:31:05,120 Speaker 1: computer on me, a theory that there was a flower 475 00:31:05,280 --> 00:31:11,200 Speaker 1: used that is native to that area and it's harder 476 00:31:11,240 --> 00:31:15,160 Speaker 1: to trace, I guess, but it's it's highly toxic. I 477 00:31:15,200 --> 00:31:19,000 Speaker 1: don't think it's as toxic. Wow. Now I'm just speaking 478 00:31:19,160 --> 00:31:23,920 Speaker 1: from the depth spend, but I'm interesting. But looking up 479 00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:26,640 Speaker 1: check it, check it out, just search for it, I think. 480 00:31:27,080 --> 00:31:29,360 Speaker 1: I think on the wiki even there's a there's a 481 00:31:29,400 --> 00:31:32,960 Speaker 1: tiny little entry and picture of that. Okay, about the 482 00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:37,120 Speaker 1: idea that there could be a flower used there. The 483 00:31:37,320 --> 00:31:43,480 Speaker 1: concept two of Russian spies is we we know that 484 00:31:43,520 --> 00:31:47,240 Speaker 1: there have been real deep cover spies. There are people 485 00:31:47,320 --> 00:31:50,640 Speaker 1: with multiple names and no real name in the world 486 00:31:51,600 --> 00:31:54,360 Speaker 1: and have been for decades at the very least. But 487 00:31:55,200 --> 00:31:59,080 Speaker 1: this doesn't but they're probably much more rare then than 488 00:31:59,120 --> 00:32:01,480 Speaker 1: we believe or they're much better at not getting caught. 489 00:32:02,440 --> 00:32:05,280 Speaker 1: We we also have one of those UM. One of 490 00:32:05,320 --> 00:32:09,000 Speaker 1: those reports, I think we mentioned micro writing, the idea 491 00:32:09,040 --> 00:32:11,640 Speaker 1: that much smaller things could be written inside the loops 492 00:32:11,680 --> 00:32:13,840 Speaker 1: of stuff. We mentioned that in the video. It comes 493 00:32:13,920 --> 00:32:17,840 Speaker 1: from a former detective in the UK named Gordon Kramer. 494 00:32:19,160 --> 00:32:21,560 Speaker 1: He has parts of this code match with Morse code 495 00:32:21,600 --> 00:32:25,560 Speaker 1: letters found in World War two radio operator stuff from 496 00:32:25,600 --> 00:32:28,080 Speaker 1: that and you can read his you can read his 497 00:32:28,160 --> 00:32:32,440 Speaker 1: reports on this. But from this he believes that there 498 00:32:32,480 --> 00:32:37,720 Speaker 1: may have been a conversation about a post war UM, 499 00:32:37,880 --> 00:32:43,240 Speaker 1: post war UK aircraft called the Venom X four six 500 00:32:43,440 --> 00:32:49,400 Speaker 1: to one. And if you look at the Venom for 501 00:32:49,920 --> 00:32:55,480 Speaker 1: X four six to one UH, we don't find too 502 00:32:55,560 --> 00:32:59,680 Speaker 1: much except for the reports about this guy who believes 503 00:32:59,680 --> 00:33:05,560 Speaker 1: he's discovered it. But you know, there is a there 504 00:33:05,760 --> 00:33:09,200 Speaker 1: is a jet aircraft called the Venom that the Haveln 505 00:33:09,360 --> 00:33:16,400 Speaker 1: d H Venom. It's a it was sort of the 506 00:33:16,400 --> 00:33:20,160 Speaker 1: the stop gap between British British jet fighters from the 507 00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:24,520 Speaker 1: first generation UH to the the later ones like the 508 00:33:24,520 --> 00:33:28,760 Speaker 1: Hawker Hunter are the C Vixen and it saw service 509 00:33:29,000 --> 00:33:34,400 Speaker 1: in New Zealand. So it's quite possible right that they 510 00:33:34,400 --> 00:33:40,000 Speaker 1: were there the the stuff that they were working on. 511 00:33:40,080 --> 00:33:43,960 Speaker 1: You know, the timing kind of gives up to like 512 00:33:45,240 --> 00:33:50,800 Speaker 1: it was introduced in nineteen fifty two, but first flight nine, 513 00:33:50,880 --> 00:33:53,640 Speaker 1: which means they were working on it before then, So 514 00:33:53,800 --> 00:33:56,520 Speaker 1: it's possible if it's a spy thing. Another weird thing, 515 00:33:56,600 --> 00:34:00,160 Speaker 1: apparently this guy has ballet feet, kid, you not like 516 00:34:00,520 --> 00:34:03,640 Speaker 1: kind of crunched a little again these weird wedge wedge 517 00:34:03,640 --> 00:34:07,200 Speaker 1: shapes to his feet, and he had really pronounced calv muscles. 518 00:34:07,240 --> 00:34:12,080 Speaker 1: So what if he is a ballet dancer, an illegitimate 519 00:34:12,200 --> 00:34:15,239 Speaker 1: child and came back to try to talk to the 520 00:34:15,320 --> 00:34:21,160 Speaker 1: kid had existing medical condition that resulted in a heart failure. 521 00:34:21,200 --> 00:34:23,799 Speaker 1: And what if this lady just gave copies of the 522 00:34:23,840 --> 00:34:27,759 Speaker 1: Rubiat too people multiple times. Have you ever given out 523 00:34:27,840 --> 00:34:30,799 Speaker 1: multiple copies of a book I have? Yeah, maybe it's 524 00:34:30,800 --> 00:34:36,760 Speaker 1: her calling card. Maybe maybe the cigarette that he was smoking, 525 00:34:37,080 --> 00:34:41,560 Speaker 1: like halfway through smoking laced with something. Maybe. Yeah, But 526 00:34:41,680 --> 00:34:44,160 Speaker 1: that's that's kind of tough because so many people smoked 527 00:34:44,160 --> 00:34:46,840 Speaker 1: and swapped smokes back then. If you laced a cigarette, 528 00:34:47,200 --> 00:34:49,160 Speaker 1: you'd have to be really close, like saying, in a 529 00:34:49,280 --> 00:34:51,799 Speaker 1: romantic relationship with him. Well, you also have to be 530 00:34:51,840 --> 00:34:54,280 Speaker 1: careful not to pollute the other cigarettes. It would almost 531 00:34:54,280 --> 00:34:58,880 Speaker 1: certainly be other people dying. Well, yeah, but if you 532 00:34:58,920 --> 00:35:01,799 Speaker 1: have one pack cigarettes and just do the whole pack, 533 00:35:02,719 --> 00:35:05,759 Speaker 1: I guess, or maybe do one in his pack. Yeah, 534 00:35:05,760 --> 00:35:07,000 Speaker 1: that is true. You never know if he gives a 535 00:35:07,040 --> 00:35:12,960 Speaker 1: cigarette out, which one is the lucky one. I don't know. 536 00:35:13,160 --> 00:35:14,840 Speaker 1: You know, that's a that's a good point, man, it 537 00:35:14,880 --> 00:35:18,920 Speaker 1: could be. But um, the most exciting part of this 538 00:35:19,200 --> 00:35:22,759 Speaker 1: is that if the professor is right, and I see 539 00:35:22,840 --> 00:35:28,839 Speaker 1: no reason that he wouldn't be, uh, the exhumation of 540 00:35:28,880 --> 00:35:33,720 Speaker 1: this body will will put us, as chevy Chase's character 541 00:35:33,760 --> 00:35:37,280 Speaker 1: in community would have said, streets ahead in the investigation 542 00:35:37,320 --> 00:35:41,120 Speaker 1: and maybe even the unraveling of this this person's identity, 543 00:35:41,440 --> 00:35:45,360 Speaker 1: which is something you know, which is something that any 544 00:35:45,440 --> 00:35:50,960 Speaker 1: surviving relatives probably deserve to know. Uh. I will say 545 00:35:51,000 --> 00:35:55,200 Speaker 1: that Professor Abbott is continuing now. He had a petition 546 00:35:55,320 --> 00:35:59,040 Speaker 1: for people to sign petitioning the Government of Australia to 547 00:35:59,080 --> 00:36:03,120 Speaker 1: allow for uh, for the DNA testing or getting this 548 00:36:03,239 --> 00:36:06,719 Speaker 1: body out of the cemetery. And I believe that he 549 00:36:06,880 --> 00:36:10,480 Speaker 1: is the forefront of that pursuit. He's the one seriously 550 00:36:10,560 --> 00:36:15,080 Speaker 1: pursuing it. So best of luck to you, professor, and 551 00:36:15,400 --> 00:36:18,120 Speaker 1: to you listeners, if you would like to learn more 552 00:36:18,160 --> 00:36:21,200 Speaker 1: about this case, then just check this guy out. He's 553 00:36:21,200 --> 00:36:23,200 Speaker 1: got a lot of stuff there. There's there are also 554 00:36:23,280 --> 00:36:26,640 Speaker 1: a couple of of good books you can read regarding 555 00:36:26,680 --> 00:36:29,439 Speaker 1: this Say his name one last time, Ben, his name 556 00:36:29,520 --> 00:36:35,120 Speaker 1: is Dr Derek Abbott. Awesome, awesome. Oh and one last note, 557 00:36:35,200 --> 00:36:39,560 Speaker 1: if we could have a sound cue from a super 558 00:36:39,600 --> 00:36:43,040 Speaker 1: producer here, we're gonna take care of just a little 559 00:36:43,040 --> 00:36:47,000 Speaker 1: bit of housekeeping, I guess, as Chuck would call it, right. 560 00:36:53,000 --> 00:36:56,359 Speaker 1: So we have a clarification that we would like to make. 561 00:36:56,400 --> 00:37:00,480 Speaker 1: In our earlier episode on Washington d C. We got 562 00:37:00,480 --> 00:37:02,560 Speaker 1: a lot of great feedback and a lot of very 563 00:37:02,640 --> 00:37:09,600 Speaker 1: polite feedback, especially from the Mason's several Mason listeners. So 564 00:37:09,640 --> 00:37:11,640 Speaker 1: what we need to clarify here is that the House 565 00:37:11,719 --> 00:37:16,160 Speaker 1: of the Temple is only the headquarters of the Scottish 566 00:37:16,360 --> 00:37:21,360 Speaker 1: Right Organization, not Masonry entire And I was very happy 567 00:37:21,480 --> 00:37:25,400 Speaker 1: to receive this feedback from our listeners who were Mason's 568 00:37:25,480 --> 00:37:27,839 Speaker 1: and you and I had talked to Matt off the air. 569 00:37:28,040 --> 00:37:32,520 Speaker 1: We'd love to do a full audio podcast on masonry 570 00:37:32,880 --> 00:37:37,720 Speaker 1: just entirely in the future, because it seems like, especially 571 00:37:37,760 --> 00:37:40,000 Speaker 1: because we had some great letters. You know, I have 572 00:37:40,080 --> 00:37:43,560 Speaker 1: to say the the letters we got were extremely polite 573 00:37:43,680 --> 00:37:46,879 Speaker 1: and I am happy to receive letters from those guys 574 00:37:46,920 --> 00:37:49,879 Speaker 1: and any time about any subject. Sure. Yeah, and uh, 575 00:37:50,040 --> 00:37:54,680 Speaker 1: doing an episode on masonry, just masonry entire in the 576 00:37:54,719 --> 00:37:59,160 Speaker 1: future would be something that we're super interested in. So 577 00:37:59,280 --> 00:38:02,640 Speaker 1: if you, whether you are a mason or not, please 578 00:38:02,680 --> 00:38:05,360 Speaker 1: feel free as as we're working on doing this. We 579 00:38:05,360 --> 00:38:07,560 Speaker 1: don't know exactly when we'll get to it, but please 580 00:38:07,560 --> 00:38:10,759 Speaker 1: feel free to write to us and let us know. Uh, 581 00:38:10,880 --> 00:38:14,279 Speaker 1: some stuff you'd like to see covered. You know, no, 582 00:38:14,280 --> 00:38:17,600 Speaker 1: no idea is too crazy, but we will look at 583 00:38:17,640 --> 00:38:22,040 Speaker 1: them honestly and say if we find any evidence or proof. Right. 584 00:38:23,239 --> 00:38:28,000 Speaker 1: So with that being said, uh, there is there is 585 00:38:28,160 --> 00:38:30,480 Speaker 1: one other announcement. Oh but we can't make it with 586 00:38:30,600 --> 00:38:33,080 Speaker 1: just the two of us. Oh no, we we have 587 00:38:33,200 --> 00:38:35,399 Speaker 1: to call to knowl So let's do our nold call 588 00:38:35,520 --> 00:38:46,640 Speaker 1: together here, ready, let's do it together. No, No, it's 589 00:38:46,680 --> 00:38:52,080 Speaker 1: really unsettling. It works, though it works every time. Definitely 590 00:38:52,120 --> 00:38:54,520 Speaker 1: shook me out of my stupor. It's like, you know, 591 00:38:54,600 --> 00:38:57,520 Speaker 1: it's it's like the reason they use automated voices on 592 00:38:57,640 --> 00:39:00,160 Speaker 1: trains and planes. No one listens to a regular their 593 00:39:00,239 --> 00:39:04,680 Speaker 1: voice say step away from the door. That's true. So 594 00:39:04,960 --> 00:39:07,879 Speaker 1: uh well, let's start the way we start all the time. 595 00:39:08,640 --> 00:39:13,680 Speaker 1: How you doing, Okay, I'm doing quite well. Just busy 596 00:39:13,719 --> 00:39:19,799 Speaker 1: as always. Nice. Nice. We just got back from d C. Yeah, 597 00:39:20,040 --> 00:39:25,080 Speaker 1: I'm feeling a little sun tanned, I mean burned. Was 598 00:39:25,120 --> 00:39:27,000 Speaker 1: it was? It was it sunny. It was like beach 599 00:39:27,120 --> 00:39:30,040 Speaker 1: beach weather. Let me tell you about it. It was 600 00:39:30,400 --> 00:39:35,759 Speaker 1: like swampy it. Oh you know, I don't mean to 601 00:39:35,800 --> 00:39:39,400 Speaker 1: sound disrespectful to the founding fathers that the generation before, 602 00:39:39,680 --> 00:39:43,759 Speaker 1: but surely, surely there was a better place. Of course, 603 00:39:43,800 --> 00:39:47,719 Speaker 1: we know that DC is not the first seat of 604 00:39:47,760 --> 00:39:51,560 Speaker 1: the US capital, but come on, man, it's a swamp. 605 00:39:51,840 --> 00:39:56,080 Speaker 1: It's malaric. Yeah, it was crazy. It's no wonder the 606 00:39:56,320 --> 00:40:01,120 Speaker 1: yellow fever was a problem. You used an analogy of 607 00:40:01,200 --> 00:40:05,399 Speaker 1: the heat was like a giant, invisible rubber blanket that 608 00:40:05,719 --> 00:40:08,520 Speaker 1: just hit you and just sticks to you and stays 609 00:40:08,560 --> 00:40:10,920 Speaker 1: on you until you give up. I still haven't watched 610 00:40:10,920 --> 00:40:13,800 Speaker 1: all of it off. That is a very layered metaphor. 611 00:40:15,960 --> 00:40:19,920 Speaker 1: Uh so have you have heard of this case before? 612 00:40:19,960 --> 00:40:22,239 Speaker 1: I had not. It reminded me, have you seen that movie. 613 00:40:22,239 --> 00:40:26,600 Speaker 1: I think it's called the Snowtown Murders. Also, Yeah, at 614 00:40:26,640 --> 00:40:28,239 Speaker 1: first I thought maybe that's what it was, but I 615 00:40:28,239 --> 00:40:32,400 Speaker 1: don't think it's not the same. But yeah, there's some 616 00:40:32,480 --> 00:40:35,279 Speaker 1: other stuff that went down in that area too. I 617 00:40:35,280 --> 00:40:38,080 Speaker 1: think there's a place called the Family. The Snowtowel Murders 618 00:40:38,080 --> 00:40:42,799 Speaker 1: were these uh these series, the series of murders with 619 00:40:42,920 --> 00:40:46,360 Speaker 1: multiple people committing them and they were putting bodies and 620 00:40:46,400 --> 00:40:51,759 Speaker 1: barrels right, very upsetting film worth watching. It's good yea. 621 00:40:52,080 --> 00:40:55,400 Speaker 1: And a documentary there were. There was a documentary, but 622 00:40:55,440 --> 00:40:57,760 Speaker 1: then there's also a like a narrative like a feature 623 00:40:57,880 --> 00:41:00,680 Speaker 1: that I think was based on the document unless I'm 624 00:41:00,719 --> 00:41:04,239 Speaker 1: totally making that like based on a true story. Kinnis though, Yeah, 625 00:41:04,239 --> 00:41:07,120 Speaker 1: and there was there there were some other things there 626 00:41:07,120 --> 00:41:10,480 Speaker 1: as well. But I'm excited to hear. This is something 627 00:41:10,480 --> 00:41:13,799 Speaker 1: that listeners have written into us about before, and it 628 00:41:13,840 --> 00:41:18,640 Speaker 1: sounds like it's closer now than ever before too. I 629 00:41:18,680 --> 00:41:22,280 Speaker 1: guess being solved or making headway, I'm not sure. Yeah, 630 00:41:22,560 --> 00:41:25,280 Speaker 1: it's also one of those stories that maybe doesn't matter 631 00:41:25,440 --> 00:41:29,640 Speaker 1: that much to like the general public. However, it's one 632 00:41:29,680 --> 00:41:32,319 Speaker 1: of those things that once you know about it and 633 00:41:32,360 --> 00:41:35,160 Speaker 1: you know that it's still unsolved. It's just I mean, 634 00:41:37,920 --> 00:41:40,480 Speaker 1: I just like, I still I want to meet the 635 00:41:40,480 --> 00:41:43,520 Speaker 1: toy be tile guy so bad or the people doing 636 00:41:43,600 --> 00:41:46,760 Speaker 1: it um, And I guess you know there's that old question, 637 00:41:46,920 --> 00:41:50,000 Speaker 1: is the is the easiest way to meet a group 638 00:41:50,080 --> 00:41:52,680 Speaker 1: like that to start doing it on your own and 639 00:41:52,719 --> 00:41:58,200 Speaker 1: get in trouble? Yeah, I mean I'm not gonna yeah, 640 00:41:58,239 --> 00:42:01,160 Speaker 1: I'm not gonna go take a permanent v beach vacation 641 00:42:01,320 --> 00:42:05,799 Speaker 1: at all. But alright, so this announcement is uh, his 642 00:42:05,920 --> 00:42:08,600 Speaker 1: personal thing. And you guys let me know if I'm 643 00:42:08,640 --> 00:42:12,440 Speaker 1: off base for saying it. But we're in pretty jolly 644 00:42:12,520 --> 00:42:17,360 Speaker 1: spirits here in the studio because a fun piece of trivia. Uh, 645 00:42:17,520 --> 00:42:22,120 Speaker 1: Matt Nolan, I all have birthdays in a very short 646 00:42:22,200 --> 00:42:26,640 Speaker 1: space time. True. I only realized yours, Matt because Facebook 647 00:42:26,680 --> 00:42:29,439 Speaker 1: told me, did it? Really? I thought? I disabled? Man? 648 00:42:29,960 --> 00:42:35,120 Speaker 1: You can't trust Zuckerberg, man, So you put a fakeman in? Yeah, 649 00:42:35,160 --> 00:42:37,040 Speaker 1: I do need to put a face so you know 650 00:42:37,120 --> 00:42:42,279 Speaker 1: who your friends are. It's a little paranoid maybe, but 651 00:42:42,440 --> 00:42:46,839 Speaker 1: uh but yeah, so, uh so yours is today? Right? 652 00:42:47,080 --> 00:42:50,280 Speaker 1: Uh huh, Well, okay, that's just funny. I think that's 653 00:42:50,360 --> 00:42:59,399 Speaker 1: five eight eleven. Oh, but I don't get eleven threes. Man, 654 00:42:59,640 --> 00:43:04,640 Speaker 1: that's there's three nine, number nine, number nine to let 655 00:43:04,640 --> 00:43:09,200 Speaker 1: me get let me get my white board. Crazy thing 656 00:43:09,239 --> 00:43:11,280 Speaker 1: that people in our office, especially in the video department, 657 00:43:11,280 --> 00:43:14,959 Speaker 1: we all have birthday, not all of us, I think 658 00:43:17,840 --> 00:43:20,400 Speaker 1: the majority of the people in this room. I'm sorry, 659 00:43:20,440 --> 00:43:22,920 Speaker 1: Math and I are not the best of friends, but 660 00:43:23,160 --> 00:43:25,080 Speaker 1: the majority of people in this area where the video 661 00:43:25,120 --> 00:43:31,000 Speaker 1: department works have birthdays between July, late July and late August. 662 00:43:31,840 --> 00:43:36,000 Speaker 1: Summer of the man telling you, yeah, all of them 663 00:43:36,239 --> 00:43:39,719 Speaker 1: are what our parents are doing. Yeah, that's it's uh. 664 00:43:40,040 --> 00:43:42,000 Speaker 1: I don't read too much into it, but I do 665 00:43:42,080 --> 00:43:45,319 Speaker 1: think it's neat. Um. I don't know if are you 666 00:43:45,360 --> 00:43:47,839 Speaker 1: guys planning like a group party thing? Are we gonna 667 00:43:47,880 --> 00:43:51,480 Speaker 1: go to like David Busters? Or please? Can we Dad? 668 00:43:53,760 --> 00:43:55,800 Speaker 1: I went for the first time recently with my daughter 669 00:43:55,840 --> 00:43:59,960 Speaker 1: and it was pretty fun in the bathroom the year 670 00:44:00,040 --> 00:44:01,840 Speaker 1: urnals let you play a little game with your p 671 00:44:02,040 --> 00:44:05,480 Speaker 1: stream that's a fact. You went to the one here? Yeah? 672 00:44:06,239 --> 00:44:10,280 Speaker 1: What yeah, so like p and the standing neural or whatever, 673 00:44:10,360 --> 00:44:11,920 Speaker 1: and there's like a little screen at the top that 674 00:44:12,000 --> 00:44:16,680 Speaker 1: lets you guide ducks or shoot ducks or something. With 675 00:44:16,719 --> 00:44:21,000 Speaker 1: your p There's a sensor in the in the toilet 676 00:44:21,080 --> 00:44:26,799 Speaker 1: and it it controls what happens on the screen. Somebody 677 00:44:26,840 --> 00:44:30,240 Speaker 1: not that. That's like my primary takeaway from David Buster. 678 00:44:30,320 --> 00:44:32,680 Speaker 1: Is there a game for number two? Like bombs you're drop? 679 00:44:34,360 --> 00:44:38,680 Speaker 1: That's inappropriate? Family across there, I like, how with me? 680 00:44:38,800 --> 00:44:40,680 Speaker 1: Do you the one a cross the line? Alright? That's 681 00:44:40,760 --> 00:44:45,520 Speaker 1: unfair man. But so we're going to We're going to 682 00:44:45,560 --> 00:44:49,200 Speaker 1: head out. We have some um, we have some things 683 00:44:49,200 --> 00:44:51,600 Speaker 1: in the works. We have some plans that do not 684 00:44:51,760 --> 00:44:56,520 Speaker 1: involve making video games for urinals but are still kind 685 00:44:56,560 --> 00:45:00,040 Speaker 1: of cool. And uh, let's see what what else that 686 00:45:00,280 --> 00:45:03,160 Speaker 1: we have? Any teasers, any spoilers. I do want to 687 00:45:03,200 --> 00:45:06,960 Speaker 1: just announce that if you are not already looking for 688 00:45:07,040 --> 00:45:12,319 Speaker 1: us on Periscope or via Twitter account, just checking us 689 00:45:12,320 --> 00:45:14,160 Speaker 1: out every once in a while, we're gonna start doing 690 00:45:14,200 --> 00:45:18,040 Speaker 1: that quite frequently. And you might see Superproducer Nol, you 691 00:45:18,120 --> 00:45:20,880 Speaker 1: might see some friends from How Stuff Works on that feed. 692 00:45:21,200 --> 00:45:23,200 Speaker 1: You really never know what you're gonna be gonna see 693 00:45:23,200 --> 00:45:25,400 Speaker 1: some weird stuff. There's gonna be weird things. Scully is 694 00:45:25,440 --> 00:45:29,000 Speaker 1: gonna get involved. I mean, you know, we like to 695 00:45:29,040 --> 00:45:32,960 Speaker 1: hang out in that infinite darkness. Sometimes things just come 696 00:45:32,960 --> 00:45:35,960 Speaker 1: out to play with us, right Yeah. The abyss stairs 697 00:45:35,960 --> 00:45:38,680 Speaker 1: back at you, right stairs into you, however it goes, 698 00:45:38,920 --> 00:45:41,680 Speaker 1: definitely is quite acquainted with us. Yeah, thank you for 699 00:45:41,719 --> 00:45:43,799 Speaker 1: bringing up the periscope thing. We're definitely gonna do that. 700 00:45:43,840 --> 00:45:48,040 Speaker 1: We're also going to continue this series on unsolved crimes 701 00:45:48,120 --> 00:45:51,279 Speaker 1: for a little while. We won't well for simple We've 702 00:45:51,320 --> 00:45:53,440 Speaker 1: got some more stuff we'd like to look into. And 703 00:45:53,520 --> 00:45:57,200 Speaker 1: that means even more importantly that we would like to 704 00:45:57,239 --> 00:45:59,640 Speaker 1: hear from you. What are some of your favorite obscure, 705 00:46:00,200 --> 00:46:03,919 Speaker 1: solved bizarre crimes. They don't have to be murders, uh, 706 00:46:04,000 --> 00:46:06,759 Speaker 1: they don't have to be super well known. It could 707 00:46:06,800 --> 00:46:08,799 Speaker 1: be something wore neck of the woods. We'd like to 708 00:46:08,880 --> 00:46:13,440 Speaker 1: check it out. And that's the end of this classic episode. 709 00:46:13,520 --> 00:46:17,360 Speaker 1: If you have any thoughts or questions about this episode, 710 00:46:17,719 --> 00:46:19,799 Speaker 1: you can get into contact with us in a number 711 00:46:19,800 --> 00:46:21,799 Speaker 1: of different ways. One of the best is to give 712 00:46:21,880 --> 00:46:24,480 Speaker 1: us a call. Our number is one eight three three 713 00:46:24,760 --> 00:46:27,640 Speaker 1: std w y t K. If you don't want to 714 00:46:27,680 --> 00:46:30,280 Speaker 1: do that, you can send us a good old fashioned email. 715 00:46:30,520 --> 00:46:35,160 Speaker 1: We are conspiracy at I heart radio dot com. 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