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Speaker 1: Welcome to stuff Mom Never told You from how Stuff

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Speaker 1: Works dot Com. Hello, and welcome to the podcast. I'm

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Speaker 1: Kristen and I'm Caroline. And Caroline, I don't know about you,

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Speaker 1: but one of my secret favorite movie devices is the

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Speaker 1: makeover montage. Yeah. I love a good makeover montage, very satisfying. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: What do you think it is about the makeover montage

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Speaker 1: when say, you know, you take a geek ish, frumpily

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Speaker 1: dressed girl or guy and you see them in a

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Speaker 1: variety of hilarious outfits and then finally, you know, the

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Speaker 1: beautiful swan is revealed. There's something about like, uh, finally

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Speaker 1: we're done with that mess. Now the real person can emerge,

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Speaker 1: and you know that at that point things are really

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Speaker 1: going to take off with the plot. Yeah, she's gonna

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Speaker 1: find her dream man, and her dream man is finally

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Speaker 1: going to accept her and realize, oh my gosh, now

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Speaker 1: that she's beautiful, I realize how nice she is exactly. Um,

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Speaker 1: And when you start thinking about how often you see

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Speaker 1: makeover montages, you realize that, I mean, it is so

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Speaker 1: common in films, especially films geared towards lady folk, right,

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Speaker 1: like she's all that, which is a Big One Sided

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Speaker 1: in a lot of places talking about makeovers. The Breakfast Club,

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Speaker 1: Kristen's Doppelganger, at Ali, Shady, Mean Girls, Jawbreaker, Prozac Nation, thirteen,

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Speaker 1: Drive Me Crazy. The list goes on, and frankly, I

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Speaker 1: think we should have a viewing party. Well, we could

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Speaker 1: have an entire makeover film film festival, Caroline, because not

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Speaker 1: only are there so many movies that include this makeover theme,

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Speaker 1: they're also different kinds of makeover films. This was coming

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Speaker 1: out of the book called The Makeover in Movies, and

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Speaker 1: the author highlights five major themes of Cinderella Pygmalion, which

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Speaker 1: is my fair Lady is the go to film for

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Speaker 1: that teen she's all that middle age. And then also

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Speaker 1: social climbing, where you know, you go from the zero

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Speaker 1: to the hero usually. I think that ties into to

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Speaker 1: the teen um. But the origins in pop culture go

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Speaker 1: back before film to magazine. Right in nine six, the

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Speaker 1: editors of Mademoiselle transformed an ordinary reader, they said, into

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Speaker 1: the madeover girl Ray. So that's the beginning of I mean, God,

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Speaker 1: just think about how pervasive makeovers are in our culture,

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Speaker 1: you know, still very popular in magazines, still very popular

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Speaker 1: on TV, You've got shows from Extreme Makeover where people

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Speaker 1: Straight Guy, where somebody's poor sche love a husband does

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Speaker 1: getting some new pants. It's all over the place. It's

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Speaker 1: amazing the power of a of a good pants. That's right.

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Speaker 1: But perhaps that's part of the appeal though of the makeover,

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Speaker 1: is that perhaps from the way it's presented, at least,

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Speaker 1: line of cosmetics or a new haircut, and suddenly you

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Speaker 1: are a new person. But early in the days of

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Speaker 1: this makeover trope, a social historian Lowest Banner would say

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Speaker 1: that the beauty culture of the early twentieth century really

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Speaker 1: exploited the periods collective quote interest in advancing democracy and

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Speaker 1: self improvement. Yeah, so, I mean there there is this

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Speaker 1: aspect of makeovers that are very democratic, that is very

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Speaker 1: democratic as far as like anybody can go buy new lipstick,

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Speaker 1: you two can improve yourself well. And speaking of lipstick cosmetics,

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Speaker 1: initial had a really bad rap because only women who actresses,

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Speaker 1: women of the night might put on a lip rouge,

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Speaker 1: and so it took a little a little advertising and

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Speaker 1: also the popularity of film to make cosmetic makeovers something

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Speaker 1: that would be appealing to the everyday gale. Right, And

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Speaker 1: if you look at uh film makeovers and and things

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Speaker 1: like that, they really in that early period echoed beauty

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Speaker 1: advertising of the period of the nineties and fifties with

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Speaker 1: that emphasis on heterosexual romance where marriage is the reward

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Speaker 1: for proper grooming and consuming. Now the very first high

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Speaker 1: profile film that includes a physical makeover as the center

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Speaker 1: of the story arc is two movies starring Betty Davis

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Speaker 1: called Now Voyager and Elizabeth A. Ford and Deborah C. Mitchell,

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Speaker 1: who wrote that book The Makeover in Movies Before and

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Speaker 1: After in Hollywood Films to two to kick off their

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Speaker 1: exploration with Now Voyager, and they talk about how leading

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Speaker 1: up to it's released, the studio really worked hard to

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Speaker 1: only promote Betty Davis's afterimage when she is transformed as

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Speaker 1: his character Charlotte Vale, from a very dowdy spinster to

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Speaker 1: this very classy, well dressed, sexually appealing woman. Right, And

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Speaker 1: go into making Betty Davis look bad. They were like, no, no, no,

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Speaker 1: Davis was an attractive woman. And they also talked about

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Speaker 1: how you mentioned kinkles, Caroline. They talked about how and

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Speaker 1: the before signifiers in Now Voyager included Charlotte Vales, orthopedic,

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Speaker 1: slender ankles. It's it's ankle lifts. Oh yes, ankle crunches.

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Speaker 1: Ankle crunches, of course, of course, bad clothes, a dumpy figure, glasses,

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Speaker 1: And then after the signifiers are there's usually the going

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Speaker 1: oh god, no heavens, good makeup, shapely brows, a lovely

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Speaker 1: and a flattering hair do. Yeah, and uh. Angela Claire Dancy,

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Speaker 1: Ohio State University Excuse me in two thousand five, talks

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Speaker 1: about all the different aspects of makeovers and and goes

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Speaker 1: into that whole democratization of beauty issue that it's all

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Speaker 1: open to you. You know, you you watch this makeover movie,

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Speaker 1: not actually that democratic because it's happening to someone who's

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Speaker 1: already beautiful. Uh. Dancy opens her dissertation by discussing the

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Speaker 1: fact that actresses are disguised as ordinary, unattractive, or even ugly,

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Speaker 1: and when they get a make over on screen, it's

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Speaker 1: just really a restatement of their already recognized glamor. You

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Speaker 1: Cameron Diaz or a Julia Roberts gets a makeover in

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Speaker 1: a movie, you're like, oh, it's okay, because she's beautiful,

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Speaker 1: And that's why Dancy refers to this as a fantasy

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Speaker 1: and it sets up this contradictory ideology that's both egalitarian

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Speaker 1: and yet elitist because, like you mentioned, Caroline, if perhaps

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Speaker 1: Cameron Diaz, then you know, it's it's still a selective

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Speaker 1: argument about post feminism and feminism in general, and she

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Speaker 1: individual achievement and success. So, in other words, shopping is powerful,

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Speaker 1: and makeovers in these films associate shopping and haircuts and

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Speaker 1: because once you get the makeover, you're you're more powerful, happy, popular,

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Speaker 1: Which sounds like an incredibly twisted and missing interpretation of feminism,

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Speaker 1: And a lot of these people, including Dancy, who talk

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Speaker 1: going to be landy bog, she's all that pre makeover,

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Speaker 1: or maybe just ali sheety makeover because I need already

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Speaker 1: So then when you're talking about what is correct femininity

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Speaker 1: comes to cosmetics advertisements. This is something that is getting

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Speaker 1: going back to some more makeover history. Mademoiselle, who was

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Speaker 1: first makeovers for quote unquote distinct racial beauty types. It

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Speaker 1: Femininity extends not just to how women do themselves up,

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Speaker 1: but also how they approach their intellectual lives. Not so surprisingly,

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Speaker 1: Susanne Ferris wrote an essay called Fashioning Femininity in the

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Speaker 1: Makeover Flick as part of a collection called chick Flicks

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Speaker 1: Contemporary Women at the Movies, and she talks about how

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Speaker 1: in a lot of these makeover movies, women are seen

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Speaker 1: what not to wear exactly. Well, maybe it's the you know,

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Speaker 1: maybe we do want to buy into a fantasy of agency,

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Speaker 1: whether it's you know, realistic or not. Well. The idea

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Speaker 1: also that you will put on a dress that fits

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Speaker 1: I mean, I don't think that's true. I don't think

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Speaker 1: whereas she used to be able to just hang back

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Speaker 1: in the shadows creepily apparently. Uh, And what's going to

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Speaker 1: because you took your overalls off and you probably become

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Speaker 1: even more enriched as a person because you realize how

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Speaker 1: shallow some people are. Yeah. Yeah, and and people's shreue

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Speaker 1: colors come out, So you know, the makeover is both

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Speaker 1: rewarding and risky apparently, But I do want to hear

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Speaker 1: from listeners though, about their their favorite makeover movies. What

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Speaker 1: they take from these makeover montages are surely, Caroline, we

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Speaker 1: a successful they are. We also do we mention clueless? No,

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Speaker 1: that might be. That's definitely in my top five. Yeah

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Speaker 1: it's uh, that's that's a good one. So I could

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Speaker 1: keep talking about all of my favorite makeover movies. But

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Speaker 1: now I'd love to hear from folks listening makeover movies.

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Speaker 1: Send them our way. Mom Stuff at Discovery dot com

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Speaker 1: is where you can email us. You can also hit

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Speaker 1: us up on Facebook or tweet us your favorite makeover

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Speaker 1: movies at Mom's Stuff podcast hashtag makeover magic or whatever.

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Speaker 1: But before we get to a couple of your letters, Caroline,

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Speaker 1: let's take a quick break and now back to our letters. Well,

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Speaker 1: you've got a couple here about our episode on cesarian sections,

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Speaker 1: and I have one here from Sherry, and she writes,

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Speaker 1: I planned a natural childbirth, declined all drugs because I

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Speaker 1: didn't want to have a C section and new drugs

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Speaker 1: would make it more likely. After twenty four hours of labor,

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Speaker 1: Oh my goodness, and my son being stuck in the

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Speaker 1: birth canal. I just wanted him out. The doctor, who

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Speaker 1: get him out, which was excruciating. When I cried out

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Speaker 1: for not having an epidural rude. I did not really

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Speaker 1: hear her, but my husband did. I thought that maybe

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Speaker 1: it when I went in from my post surgery follow up.

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Speaker 1: So don't think it's just men pushing the idea of

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Speaker 1: C sections and drugs. And my predelivery research, I found

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Speaker 1: an interesting statistic that a lot of the emergency c

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Speaker 1: can get out of there. I'm a veterinarian and understand

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Speaker 1: up for when they chose the profession. That's disconcerting. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and I have one here from Taran, she says. I

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Speaker 1: ago by cesarean. She said. Ces arians are extremely common

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Speaker 1: still felt no pain. This was followed by pain pills

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Speaker 1: A week later, I had coffee with a lady who

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Speaker 1: delivered naturally on the same day as Main, and she

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Speaker 1: had to have after sheet tour. Having a baby, she says,

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Speaker 1: is like starting an eighteen year marathon. Natural birth would

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Speaker 1: be like going to a spinning class before the marathon,

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Speaker 1: whereas a C section is more like having a nap.

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Speaker 1: And that's interesting, Taren, because a lot of people that

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Speaker 1: we've been hearing from, and we've been hearing from a

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Speaker 1: lot of people, have compared childbirth in whatever form to

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Speaker 1: a marathon. A lot like a lot of you out there,

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Speaker 1: I don't know if you're reading the same magazines or

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Speaker 1: That's a j and a little terrifying. I know we're

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Speaker 1: although you know, maybe not at twenty four hour self

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Speaker 1: administering morphine drip. There we go. That sounds acceptable. That's comforting. Well,

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