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Speaker 7: with an injury update. Yesterday on the injury report, Brandon.
Speaker 5: Cooks pops up something. I don't know that I was expecting.
Speaker 7: I don't know how many were expecting that, But uh,
Speaker 7: tell us what's going on with Brandon Cooks and the
Speaker 7: other guys who have already been on the injury report
Speaker 7: over the last week.
Speaker 8: I definitely was unexpected when it comes to Brandon Cooks,
Speaker 8: no injury reported from him on Sunday, Monday or Tuesday.
Speaker 8: Pops up on the injury report on Wednesday with what's
Speaker 8: described as a knee injury. Brought us did some research
Speaker 8: as well. He noticed it was nie is what they're
Speaker 8: calling it.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 8: I talked to Brandon in the locker room on yesterday
Speaker 8: and he said, quote unquote, I feel good. He did
Speaker 8: defer to Mike McCarthy as far as injury prognosis and availability,
Speaker 8: which just makes sense because you know there might be
Speaker 8: some gamesmanship in any of that nature. But he says
Speaker 8: he feels good. Cowboys are going to keep him in
Speaker 8: the rehab group today because if it is nee soreness, obviously,
Speaker 8: you want to rest that. Tyler Smith, he did, he
Speaker 8: had a workout on yesterday. Mike McCarthy was impressed with that.
Speaker 8: He also said that Tyler Smith is pushing to play,
Speaker 8: so that gives me indication that if this were you know,
Speaker 8: a playoff birth or playoff seating them or something like that,
Speaker 8: Tyler could play. Cowboys are just being cautious because it's
Speaker 8: a long season. He'll be with the rehab group today
Speaker 8: as well. Donovan Wilson had a workout yesterday what Mike
Speaker 8: McCarthy called, quote unquote a big workout. He said, Donald
Speaker 8: did more yesterday than I expected, and that means Donovan
Speaker 8: Wilson might actually get some burn in practice today, which
Speaker 8: goes with what Mike said yesterday as far as Donald
Speaker 8: being slightly ahead of Tyler in his recovery. So I
Speaker 8: expect to see Donald, you know, maybe limited in practice today,
Speaker 8: but that's definitely an upgrade over what he's been to
Speaker 8: this point. So looks like Donovan Wilson definitely had a
Speaker 8: good shot at playing against the Jets. Tyler Smith, we're
Speaker 8: still feeling that out Brandon Cooks if it's just knee
Speaker 8: soreness as as indicated, then you rested and he should
Speaker 8: be a go, but we'll see how the week rolls out.
Speaker 7: When you talk about that knee, Brian, from what you
Speaker 7: were hearing, is it soreness that came from something that
Speaker 7: happened in the game or is it just where.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's in the game. It was something he got,
Speaker 3: He got banged He got banged up a little bit
Speaker 3: in the game. Yeah.
Speaker 7: Yeah, with older players you just kind of worry like,
Speaker 7: is it just soreness just because of use.
Speaker 8: That that can be something you said on yesterday that
Speaker 8: it did happen in the game. But the good news
Speaker 8: is is that he was able to finish the game,
Speaker 8: so he didn't miss any snaps due to the injury.
Speaker 8: So that's a good sign as far as where he
Speaker 8: is with that knee.
Speaker 3: When he has problems, it's the soft tissue injury stuff.
Speaker 3: That's where that's that's something that's been with him throughout
Speaker 3: his career.
Speaker 5: Okay, talking about did you mention Jordan Lewis there, Jordan Lewis?
Speaker 8: Okay, So Jordan Lewis was a healthy scratch on last week,
Speaker 8: which was a bit of a surprise given you know,
Speaker 8: my conversation with Jordan and Mike McCarthy's press conferences talking
Speaker 8: about how Jordan was ahead of the curve. I spoke
Speaker 8: with Jordan Lewis on yesterday just to confirm that it
Speaker 8: was indeed a healthy scratch, and he said it absolutely was,
Speaker 8: And it was exactly what I kind of speculated on
Speaker 8: Twitter when I said maybe the Cowboys want to see
Speaker 8: him in practice for another week. That's basically exactly what
Speaker 8: Jordan told me in the locker room yesterday. He said
Speaker 8: the coaches came to him and said, you know what,
Speaker 8: You're ready, but we want to see you in practice
Speaker 8: ramp up a little bit more this week. So the
Speaker 8: strong expectation is that Ambar that Jordan Lewis will.
Speaker 2: Be on the feet. Got a double check what you're
Speaker 2: saying from now on.
Speaker 5: I'm telling you what I'm told. I'm telling you what
Speaker 5: I'm told.
Speaker 8: So Jordan Lewis, based on what he's telling me, he's
Speaker 8: one hundred percent confident that he'll be on the field
Speaker 8: against the Jets. Obviously it's coach's decision, but if you
Speaker 8: take what Mike McCarthy just said this morning about Jordan Lewis,
Speaker 8: it seems to be they're in lockstep right now.
Speaker 3: So that but you know, it's what's you know, it's
Speaker 3: I mean, I love what you guys are saying here.
Speaker 3: You only dressed forty eight of these rats.
Speaker 5: I was just about saying that, you know.
Speaker 3: And all of a sudden, now it's it. And maybe
Speaker 3: there is a little bit of a sense of urgency
Speaker 3: from guys like Donovan Wilson and others when you start
Speaker 3: to see the success the defense has with backup players
Speaker 3: in there. And if you're a coach, you have to
Speaker 3: be very mindful of Okay, do I want to take
Speaker 3: Marquise Bell out of this lineup right now? Do I
Speaker 3: want to take Janier Thomas out of this lineup right now?
Speaker 3: And you know, that's where we got into a little
Speaker 3: bit about with duce Vaughn and how many plays is
Speaker 3: duce fond giving you a game to be able to
Speaker 3: carry that extra running back there? You know, do you
Speaker 3: need a defensive player? And nothing against duce Vaughn, but
Speaker 3: there are going to be some healthy scratches along the way.
Speaker 3: It'll be interesting to see, you know, with Dan Quinn
Speaker 3: and the guys that he fights for, the guys that
Speaker 3: Bones Fossil fights for. But you can only dress so
Speaker 3: many of these guys, and then when they start coming
Speaker 3: back in the lineup, then all of a sudden you're
Speaker 3: looking at a situation where some other guys are not
Speaker 3: going to be able to dress. And I think it's
Speaker 3: it sounds real simple to say, you know, pull them in,
Speaker 3: plug him in, pull him out kind of a thing,
Speaker 3: but it really doesn't work all that that easily, especially
Speaker 3: when you have guys that are playing pretty well.
Speaker 7: I even wonder what's the role for a guy like
Speaker 7: Jordan Lewis, particularly on a week like this where my
Speaker 7: suspicion is that the Jets will go into this game
Speaker 7: thinking we want to run, we want to run a lot,
Speaker 7: And it makes me wonder if Dallas is going to
Speaker 7: be in a situation where defensively they want to go
Speaker 7: heavy more and maybe they want to have an extra
Speaker 7: defensive line and an extra linebacker, an extra safety more
Speaker 7: so than having that third cornerback on the field. Because
Speaker 7: of the running game that the Jets pose, the problems
Speaker 7: that that running game compose, it makes me wonder, like
Speaker 7: what would be his role this week as a fourth cornerback,
Speaker 7: presumably in this in this rotation right now.
Speaker 8: Where my mind goes with that is an excellent point
Speaker 8: that brought us brought up last week when it came
Speaker 8: to Jordan Lewis is the package against the Saints where
Speaker 8: it was Jordan Lewis, Spine and Alvin Kamara. So when
Speaker 8: you look at the skill set of a guy like
Speaker 8: Breise Hall who can be explosive out of the backfield,
Speaker 8: Dalvin Cook who can be an explosive receiver out of
Speaker 8: the backfield as well, Jordan Lewis has shown that he can,
Speaker 8: you know, spy those guys effectively. So maybe that's a
Speaker 8: potential world for him in a game like this.
Speaker 9: Yeah, And I was gonna say, like this kind of
Speaker 9: has been his story in his career where something else
Speaker 9: happens and he's kind of left out in a way,
Speaker 9: but yet he finds a way to be back in
Speaker 9: the group. So I think at the end of the day,
Speaker 9: I mean, the coaches know dan Quinn has kept him
Speaker 9: here for a reason. He knows the talent that he
Speaker 9: has he will be used this season, and I trust
Speaker 9: the decision that they make in whatever time or week
Speaker 9: they decide to go ahead and plug him in because
Speaker 9: you can't have too many of those guys and you
Speaker 9: were talking about who are you gonna dress?
Speaker 2: Who are you gonna sit?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 9: I mean, it does sound simple, but it is a
Speaker 9: problem to a good problem.
Speaker 2: It's a great problem to have.
Speaker 9: So and it's one of those scenarios that we haven't had,
Speaker 9: haven't always had that in different past, previous years where
Speaker 9: we're sitting here like, man, you're sitting out a really
Speaker 9: talented player, what else are you gonna play?
Speaker 2: And you have so many weapons? So it's something super exciting.
Speaker 3: I think it goes to the credit to the defensive
Speaker 3: coaches in the way that they I've always felt like
Speaker 3: that if you give these defensive coaches players, they will
Speaker 3: figure out how to play eight to ten plays with
Speaker 3: a guy. They'll figure out like, Okay, this guy can
Speaker 3: come in and help us here. You know, where as
Speaker 3: you mentioned in the past, maybe it was a little
Speaker 3: bit more focused on Okay, these are you know, these
Speaker 3: are thirteen fourteen guys that we're going to play and
Speaker 3: everybody else. But what you do is you learn that
Speaker 3: guys like Marquise Bell and others and Janie Thomas and
Speaker 3: those guys can play because they play three preseason games
Speaker 3: and then you watch them in practice and then all
Speaker 3: of a sudden that carries over to the game. So,
Speaker 3: but these defensive coaches do a heck of a job
Speaker 3: of getting guys involved, and then it makes you like
Speaker 3: to say, well, how do you take that guy off?
Speaker 3: I mean, seriously, you know Bell is a guy on
Speaker 3: the field making tackles, big body guys. To Derek's point,
Speaker 3: we'll get into the Jets and what they're probably going
Speaker 3: to try and do to you comes Sunday. But you
Speaker 3: give me these many big body guys on the field
Speaker 3: that I can handle. If teams are going to try
Speaker 3: and spread you out and play a lot of wide receivers,
Speaker 3: then this is where all of a sudden, Jordan Lewis
Speaker 3: finds a roll back into the game, right.
Speaker 7: And I think that's the interesting part here is I
Speaker 7: think every week mixing on the defense, Yeah, there are
Speaker 7: gonna be some talented guys who are gonna be inactive
Speaker 7: every single week every day.
Speaker 5: They've got so much talent on this defense that it's
Speaker 5: going to be a matter of and it probably give
Speaker 5: you a little indication as what they're.
Speaker 7: Thinking schematically on what they think the other team is
Speaker 7: going to try to do to them and where they
Speaker 7: think they want to be heavier or lighter depending on.
Speaker 3: Who they're playing.
Speaker 9: And the cool thing that I really appreciate about this
Speaker 9: coaching staff is that they've shown not to glue themselves
Speaker 9: to a player, not to get too attached. They're not
Speaker 9: afraid to switch someone out, someone out. The only exception
Speaker 9: that really comes to mind, I would say Kelvin Joseph,
Speaker 9: but they had to they really have other options. But
Speaker 9: then Terren Steal, That's the only other case that comes
Speaker 9: to mind to where they stuck with him and they
Speaker 9: were right. Turns out to me that they were right.
Speaker 9: So it's something that again back in like Jason Garrett's era,
Speaker 9: when I first started working here, I never saw that
Speaker 9: they would stick to one guy and just ride the
Speaker 9: whole season with that person. This coaching stuff just gives
Speaker 9: guys opportunity.
Speaker 3: It was always that next man up thing. It was
Speaker 3: like when we need you be ready kind of a thing,
Speaker 3: instead of using everybody on your bench. You know that
Speaker 3: that administration was more locked into okay, are these are guys?
Speaker 3: These are twenty two guys and player twenty three on
Speaker 3: does not really matter here.
Speaker 8: I think when it comes to how you're going to
Speaker 8: figure out that forty eight. I think it might be
Speaker 8: a situation where Noah Igbinoghni, who had an explosive debut
Speaker 8: for the Cowboys with their Special teams touchdown and I
Speaker 8: had a great conversation with him. Ladies and gentlemen, make
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Speaker 8: that out. This might a situation where he finds himself
Speaker 8: inactive to bring Jeordan Lewis in. Yeah, then because you
Speaker 8: want to if Donald is in fact going to play,
Speaker 8: you still have to have that depth just in case, right,
Speaker 8: So Marquispell, Jeye Thomas, those are also going to be
Speaker 8: special teams guys who knock on wood. If they have
Speaker 8: to come in defensively, they can come in and be available.
Speaker 8: But I think this could be a situation where when
Speaker 8: you're trying to figure out numbers game Igbinogany although the
Speaker 8: explosive game in week one and it would not be
Speaker 8: a knock to his talent if he were inactive in
Speaker 8: week two. It would just simply be trying to figure
Speaker 8: out the scheme for this particular week and who needs
Speaker 8: to sit, who needs to play based upon the personnel
Speaker 8: that the other team is present.
Speaker 3: They already dress for specialists if you count C. J. Goodwin,
Speaker 3: because he really doesn't play any defensive snaps for you.
Speaker 3: So now you're you know, that's an extra guy that
Speaker 3: you have to account for because he really is a
Speaker 3: specialist in that way. So it's a it's it's a
Speaker 3: it's a it's a little bit of board gymnastics to
Speaker 3: try and figure out, but a lot of it has
Speaker 3: to do with what your your your facing scheme wise.
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Speaker 7: Brian, Let's dive in Jets offense versus Cowboys defense.
Speaker 3: Go Okay, let me finish this text real quick and
Speaker 3: I got that done. All right, here we go. Yeah,
Speaker 3: with the Jets, this is where when you start to
Speaker 3: watch the tape. I don't know if the plan versus
Speaker 3: the Bills was to play with twelve and thirteen personnel
Speaker 3: in this game time that Aaron Rodgers was in there,
Speaker 3: but as the game wore on, that's what they did
Speaker 3: when Zack Wilson came into the game. So it was initially,
Speaker 3: you know, it's only four plays, you really kind didn't
Speaker 3: really figure things out for what they were gonna do
Speaker 3: with Rogers, what the plan was going to be. But
Speaker 3: when Zack Wilson came in the game, he saw more
Speaker 3: tight ends in the game. Twelve thirteen personnel, two tight ends,
Speaker 3: three tight ends. They're going to load up on the
Speaker 3: edges with multiple blockers. They appear to they run the
Speaker 3: ball better when they get in these personnel groups that
Speaker 3: twelve and thirteen personnel group. They'll use this in a
Speaker 3: form to help also with pass protection, so they'll keep
Speaker 3: guys in. I think this is a game where you're
Speaker 3: going to see them trying to deal with the Cowboys
Speaker 3: in with spacing more than just maybe some one on
Speaker 3: one block. And when you put tight ends in there.
Speaker 3: If you put a tight end in a wing, what
Speaker 3: does that do? It takes a man and removes him
Speaker 3: two gaps. So sometimes you can create spacing to help
Speaker 3: your blockers not have to deal with a pass rush
Speaker 3: that's going to come off the edge. But look for
Speaker 3: them to try and help them use that to help
Speaker 3: them also in that running game. Zach Wilson I mentioned
Speaker 3: he's going to be your starter. This is his third season.
Speaker 3: He still doesn't look super comfortable as a player. You
Speaker 3: could really see some hit and miss in him in
Speaker 3: his game. Accuracy will come and go, Receivers will bail
Speaker 3: him out at times. I feel there are plays where
Speaker 3: he's just made up his mind where he's going to
Speaker 3: go with the football, and pre snap he's just like, Okay,
Speaker 3: I'm just going to throw it here and then hope
Speaker 3: for the best. I don't think he's a really a
Speaker 3: natural player for the position right now, you know, there's
Speaker 3: kind of some throw the ball and hope for the best.
Speaker 3: I'm not sure there's some real progression as far as
Speaker 3: reading what you're going to do defensively to him or
Speaker 3: he could see that. So maybe with dan Quinn you
Speaker 3: try and fool him a little bit with some alignment
Speaker 3: and then rotate some ways, and he has a tendency
Speaker 3: not to see everybody on the field, so it might
Speaker 3: be a way to kind of take advantage of him.
Speaker 3: The offensive line, in my opinion and is a better
Speaker 3: run blocking unit than they are a pass blocking unit.
Speaker 3: At this point. They'll pull, they'll trap to get blocks.
Speaker 3: Crack toss where you take the wide receiver inside you
Speaker 3: pull guys to the edge is a good play for them.
Speaker 3: They double team at the point of attack, but they'll
Speaker 3: struggle at times to get second level blocks. When center
Speaker 3: Connor McGovern had a real trouble getting to the second
Speaker 3: level and when he didn't do that, the play resulted
Speaker 3: into a tackle for loss. There. Twist stunts by the
Speaker 3: Bills were a problem for them, especially on the left
Speaker 3: side of the offensive line. That's Lake and Tomlinson and
Speaker 3: Dwayne Brown. They didn't pass the stunts well enough. Resulted
Speaker 3: in some pressures over on that side. Cowboys like to
Speaker 3: move the front, like to kind of try and and
Speaker 3: mess with your blocking schemes a little bit mess with
Speaker 3: you with the way that they rushed their guys. When
Speaker 3: rushing McKay Beckton the tackle, you just need to keep
Speaker 3: pushing the edge on him. He's not when rushers stop
Speaker 3: with him, he then has a chance to recover. You
Speaker 3: just need to keep pushing on him, pushing on him,
Speaker 3: pushing on him, and it'll put him in a blocking spot.
Speaker 3: There vera tucker the guard, he'll struggle with power, so
Speaker 3: you can knock him back as well. So they've got
Speaker 3: some issues with their offensive line. Like I said, I
Speaker 3: think they're a little bit better run blocking group than
Speaker 3: they are a passing group. Running backs Breece Hall and
Speaker 3: Dalvin Cook will be a problem. Both have shown the
Speaker 3: ability to make the first man miss in order to
Speaker 3: create space. I've seen tackles just facklers bounce off them
Speaker 3: and attempt to wrap them up. They're powerful running styles.
Speaker 3: Hall is outstanding reading the blocks and then allowing them
Speaker 3: to develop and then getting through the hole. That's something
Speaker 3: that he when he sees that all of a sudden,
Speaker 3: you see it kind of develop and then he finds
Speaker 3: it and then he goes and he's a hard guy
Speaker 3: to kind of bring down in that in that there's
Speaker 3: just no hesitation in his game. Both backs will play
Speaker 3: in the backfield at the same time, they'll set up
Speaker 3: plays off that. Nathaniel Hackett is not afraid to run
Speaker 3: screens with either one of these guys. That goes to
Speaker 3: your point about maybe with Jeorge Lewis being in this game,
Speaker 3: but he'll put him in the backfield. He'll run one
Speaker 3: one way, throw the screen back, or he'll throw a
Speaker 3: screen or a swing to the other one. But he's
Speaker 3: trying to do some things to create some issues with
Speaker 3: him with formations. Both catch the ball well. Both can
Speaker 3: make plays on the ball with it in their hands.
Speaker 3: A wide receiver, Garrett Wilson, he's got the potential be
Speaker 3: one of the best receivers in the league. He became
Speaker 3: a full time starter, like in week thirteen of his
Speaker 3: rookie season. He's become their like their go to guy.
Speaker 3: He's had five receptions, one touchdown, Three first downs of
Speaker 3: his five receptions were first down. His body control, his
Speaker 3: balances impressive. He's a dynamic playmaker in every sense of
Speaker 3: the word. You can play him inside, you can play
Speaker 3: him outside. He gets and you get productive plays for
Speaker 3: him as you're going along there. There's a real looseness
Speaker 3: to his game and the way he moves. You know
Speaker 3: when you watch him, there's not any tightness to him.
Speaker 3: He's one of those guys that's he kind of flows
Speaker 3: and you know when he's running routes and you have
Speaker 3: to be careful where he'll send you one way with
Speaker 3: like a little move and then get back the other
Speaker 3: way and create that separation. So when you feel like
Speaker 3: you got him covered, he finds ways to come up
Speaker 3: with the ball. So I think he would have really
Speaker 3: really benefited from Aaron Rodgers as his quarterback. I think
Speaker 3: Rogers would have just abul have had a great combination together.
Speaker 3: But that's not the case anymore. The next guy you
Speaker 3: kind of need to worry about is Alan Lazar. We
Speaker 3: all know Alan Lazarre from the days of when he
Speaker 3: was with the Packers. He's got this sizeable catch radius
Speaker 3: due to his length. So he's one of these real
Speaker 3: long guys and he's always kind of making plays, but
Speaker 3: he can win fifty to fifty balls and two of
Speaker 3: his four receptions resulted in first downs against the Bills
Speaker 3: as well. So those are the guys that you kind
Speaker 3: of need to worry about when you focus in on
Speaker 3: what the Jets are trying to do. I think their
Speaker 3: quarterback could be fooled in some things, maybe some coverage
Speaker 3: things could kind of make him feel like he's got
Speaker 3: the right read, but then you do something different and
Speaker 3: it causes him to turn over the ball. So I
Speaker 3: think that's a good thing that he's playing in the
Speaker 3: game and not Aaron Rodgers, to be honest with it.
Speaker 8: And in this morning's drop of the Science Lab Week two,
Speaker 8: I focused in on Zach Wilson and I talked about it,
Speaker 8: you know, briefly in the lab Coat this past Tuesday,
Speaker 8: and how he performs poorly under duress. One out of
Speaker 8: every four of his throws are bad throws when you
Speaker 8: pressure him. Forty percent of the playbook in Zach Wilson's
Speaker 8: career has been play action that goes to what Brian
Speaker 8: is saying, you have to eliminate and at least try
Speaker 8: to contain Breese Hall and Dalvin Cook when it comes
Speaker 8: to that offensive line. We talk about Brandon Cook's dealing
Speaker 8: with you know a little bit of an injury, Cowboys
Speaker 8: dealing with some injuries. Well, Dwayne Brown Macai be Beckedon
Speaker 8: both popped up on the Jets' injury report yesterday with
Speaker 8: a shoulder and a knee injury, respectively. So those guys
Speaker 8: aren't healthy, and those guys being less than one hundred
Speaker 8: percent already being already struggling against the pass rush for
Speaker 8: a Buffalo Bill's team, and then now you're going up
Speaker 8: against a much better pass rush, and the Cowboys name
Speaker 8: of the game is to stop the run, beat up
Speaker 8: on that, beat up on those guys in the trenches,
Speaker 8: and really make Zach Wilson turn him into Sam Darnould
Speaker 8: Allow twenty nineteen against the Patriots.
Speaker 5: Have him out there seeing ghosts because.
Speaker 8: He is a young guy going against a veteran defensive coordinator,
Speaker 8: going against veteran impact guys on defense. You can have
Speaker 8: him out there seeing apparitions thinking okay, well, this is
Speaker 8: the read, this is the coverage. And because he does
Speaker 8: not progress well, he doesn't go through his progressions. Well,
Speaker 8: that's why he is so poor under Durest. Because he's
Speaker 8: already a guy who doesn't read his second and third
Speaker 8: checkdown well, So if you force him into those, you're
Speaker 8: going to force him to give that ball away and
Speaker 8: then come the takeaway game.
Speaker 7: So let's talk about's dive into this a little bit.
Speaker 7: I want to talk specifically about those running backs for
Speaker 7: a second, Reese Hall last week, he was the better
Speaker 7: of the two. Ten carries one hundred and twenty seven.
Speaker 3: Yards, had a long run, very long run.
Speaker 7: Yeah, Dalvin Cook at thirteen carries for thirty three yards,
Speaker 7: not as much production.
Speaker 5: But they gave him a little bit more.
Speaker 7: Do you think that part of the split there is
Speaker 7: about the fact that they're easing Breeze haul back from
Speaker 7: the season ending injury a year ago as opposed to
Speaker 7: this week where maybe they ram him up a little
Speaker 7: bit more. Because Resol really scares me because not only
Speaker 7: is he a good running back, he has that speed
Speaker 7: that he can go. He can go the distance on
Speaker 7: any particular play. Do you think he'll get more opportunities
Speaker 7: this week against the Cowboys than maybe they gave him
Speaker 7: last week.
Speaker 3: I feel like that they're going to continue to play
Speaker 3: with both backs. I feel like that they the numbers.
Speaker 3: What I saw with the way that they ran the
Speaker 3: football and with Dalvin Cook. Dalvin Cook is and we
Speaker 3: remember Dalvin Cook last year in the game in Minnesota.
Speaker 3: It was an absolute disaster for the Vikings offense. But
Speaker 3: Dalvin Cook, I think average almost seven yards of carry
Speaker 3: last last time against the Cowboys run and Dalvin Cook
Speaker 3: scares me because there's that physical side. He's one of
Speaker 3: those guys. They you handle the ball, he hits you,
Speaker 3: he hits you again. He seems to kind of get
Speaker 3: better as that goes on. So don't I don't see
Speaker 3: with the situation with Hall. As good as Hall was
Speaker 3: last year until he hurt his knee. I just feel
Speaker 3: like that they're committed to playing two guys because they
Speaker 3: could throw the ball to either. And this is the
Speaker 3: thing that that this is going to help Zach Wilson,
Speaker 3: in my opinion. The fact of just saying, okay, let's
Speaker 3: split the load between because they're they're going to have
Speaker 3: to run the football in this game. I just don't
Speaker 3: see like it in this saying they're Okay, we're going
Speaker 3: to load up with Brice Hall here. I think it's
Speaker 3: going to be like Briess, you know, maybe it's two
Speaker 3: three plays and then it's Dalvin Cook two three plays
Speaker 3: and then it's back that. You know, I think they're
Speaker 3: going to try and just keep the snap count that
Speaker 3: way because if they if they they're gonna if they
Speaker 3: go into the season now with Zach Wilson and it
Speaker 3: is going to be his his team the whole way,
Speaker 3: they're gonna just completely destroy Brice Hall by week seven
Speaker 3: if they just yelled. So, I think the carries are
Speaker 3: still gonna the bound even when the Giants or excuse
Speaker 3: the Jets leave here, I think you'll see the carries
Speaker 3: balance because that you just don't want to wear out
Speaker 3: Brice Hall to the point where he's not any good
Speaker 3: in week ten or week eleven for you.
Speaker 8: Yeah, they didn't sign Dalvin Cook to not utilize Dalvin Cook,
Speaker 8: and obviously that would have been the free agency conversation.
Speaker 8: Dalvin Cook wants to play, and the conversation would have been,
Speaker 8: we're going to play. It's going to be more of
Speaker 8: a two back system, which for the most part you've
Speaker 8: seen the NFL kind of going to nowadays more than
Speaker 8: that true bell cow back. I mean, you know, Ezekiel
Speaker 8: Elliott and Tony Pollard for the past few seasons have
Speaker 8: been that for the Cowboys, So I think that's what
Speaker 8: Tobrin's point. I think that's what the Jets are looking
Speaker 8: to build over the course of the season. So I
Speaker 8: think it'll be a pretty even split for the most part.
Speaker 8: Brece Hall was more explosive in the touches he got
Speaker 8: last week. Dalvin Cook got I think ten plus more reps,
Speaker 8: but you still see it hover around that fifty to
Speaker 8: fifty mark.
Speaker 3: As far as red count is concerned.
Speaker 7: When you go back to last week's game against the Giants,
Speaker 7: what did you guys specifically see in the running game
Speaker 7: in that first series that the Giants had when they
Speaker 7: had so much success on the ground, what did you
Speaker 7: see in that drive that that maybe they were having
Speaker 7: success with that maybe Dallas is going to have to figure.
Speaker 3: Out how Sure, Yeah, if you go back and really watch,
Speaker 3: like guys like Clark and others were having problems, they
Speaker 3: were catching blocks, you know, and then and and the
Speaker 3: and the Giants did a really good job of coming
Speaker 3: off the ball and getting into them, and then you know,
Speaker 3: Dallas not playing off those blocks. So you got guys,
Speaker 3: so the linebackers you yeah, a lot. Yeah, I thought
Speaker 3: there was a couple of times so Clark Well, Clark
Speaker 3: overran one that ended up being a big But the
Speaker 3: quarterback runs hurt them more. With with when you looked
Speaker 3: at what Saquon Barkley was, it was a five yard
Speaker 3: carry five, you know that kind of the quarterback runs
Speaker 3: were the ones to me that were pretty alarming. But
Speaker 3: when you looked at when you looked at what with
Speaker 3: Barkley when he carried the ball, to me, that was
Speaker 3: when Dallas really struggled of not the disengage. When Dallas
Speaker 3: is bad against the run, their guys get get caught
Speaker 3: and then turned and now it creates these gaps and
Speaker 3: then you get when they when and then all of
Speaker 3: a sudden, linemen are up on second level. And that's
Speaker 3: the problem we were talking about with the Jets a
Speaker 3: little bit here. You know, their center wasn't as good,
Speaker 3: but when they got when they with their combinations the
Speaker 3: way they blocked, they were able to get some hats
Speaker 3: on hats and then you know, create space. And that's
Speaker 3: what the Giants were able to do in that early
Speaker 3: in that game, is the double team blocks and then
Speaker 3: getting somebody to the second level and then being able
Speaker 3: to attack where they blocked. There was there was a
Speaker 3: couple of times there where I felt like the Giants
Speaker 3: could have really gashed the Cowboys pretty well. There was
Speaker 3: a tackle one of the safeties of who came up
Speaker 3: and tackled Barkley on a play that could have been
Speaker 3: just huge. I thought it was one. I wasn't sure
Speaker 3: if it was Himbercurse, but I just remember it just
Speaker 3: hitting so fast and then having to get over there
Speaker 3: and make the tackle. When Dallas is bad, they catch
Speaker 3: blocks they've got they can't they can't just go toe
Speaker 3: to toe. They're kind of built to play more on
Speaker 3: the move. With the exception of your two inside guys.
Speaker 3: You know what people think. People think that if you
Speaker 3: just put Mazy and Hankins in there together, that it's
Speaker 3: gonna get cures running game stuff. It really doesn't always
Speaker 3: work that way. What do teams do when they play
Speaker 3: against Vidave and others. They run the ball to the outside,
Speaker 3: They run the edge nobody. I mean, you don't be
Speaker 3: stupid enough to sit there and run. Think you're gonna run. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I mean if your center can't hold up against Hankins,
Speaker 3: or your center can't hold up against Mazzie Smith because
Speaker 3: or your guards can't hold up you're not going to
Speaker 3: run the ball inside. I mean, having those big body
Speaker 3: guys inside great, But what did teams do? Teams become
Speaker 3: creative with the way they run the ball. It's more,
Speaker 3: especially with the Jets, it's down block, down, block, loop
Speaker 3: guys around, trap guys. You know, if you get spacing
Speaker 3: in there. You know, guy gets upfield, you trap him,
Speaker 3: ball goes behind him.
Speaker 9: You know.
Speaker 3: This isn't like nineteen fifty eight anymore, where you just
Speaker 3: hand the ball inside and just run. So having Mazy
Speaker 3: and Hankins in there at the same time, yeah, good.
Speaker 3: But also it's about it's also about having Tank play well.
Speaker 3: It's about Vanderesh playing well. It's about Clark playing well.
Speaker 3: It's about one of those safety stepping up and playing well.
Speaker 3: You can't let guys block you if you want to
Speaker 3: be good in the running game. And that's when the
Speaker 3: Cowboys are bad at it. They don't get off blocks
Speaker 3: well enough.
Speaker 8: I feel like that the New York Jets are going
Speaker 8: to look at that film against that the Cowboys did
Speaker 8: against the New York Giants and some of those scripted
Speaker 8: plays they're probably going to borrow as far as quarterback mobility,
Speaker 8: because you look at the runs that Jones was kind
Speaker 8: of rattling off against the Cowboys were very decisive runs.
Speaker 8: Those weren't checkdowns and take off that was called Those
Speaker 8: were called plays. And then you go against a guy
Speaker 8: like Zach Wilson who is just not good in the
Speaker 8: passing game, particularly under the wrist, but when he takes
Speaker 8: off in runs he averages nine yards a game. So
Speaker 8: I think the Jets are going to test the Cowboys
Speaker 8: and try to put them on their heels with that first,
Speaker 8: mixing in a healthy dose of Breee and Cooks and
Speaker 8: cook I should say, but if you can neutralize that,
Speaker 8: and if you're the Cowboys, you also you're looking at
Speaker 8: that Versus Giants film and you're saying, well, what went
Speaker 8: wrong when Daniel Jones went off? How did we get
Speaker 8: stuck on? What block did we get stuck on? And
Speaker 8: then that way you can improve. So if the Jets
Speaker 8: try to deploy that, you have an answer for they would.
Speaker 3: If I'm the Jets, I would rather die in the
Speaker 3: running game than die throwing the ball. I'm not gonna
Speaker 3: I'm not gonna at least I'm not gonna tee off
Speaker 3: on a QUI I'm not gonna let you tee off
Speaker 3: my quarterback. This is the only one I've really got left. Yep,
Speaker 3: you know I'm not going to let you. The one
Speaker 3: strength the Cowboys has is cover and rush. The one
Speaker 3: thing that they're still trying to prove is they could
Speaker 3: shut people down from running the football.
Speaker 7: Which Mike mc party talked about that this morning is
Speaker 7: press conference. He said, we better be comfortable with that,
Speaker 7: stopping the run and doing it over and over and
Speaker 7: over again, because every team that they play, right is
Speaker 7: probably going to come in with the same game plan,
Speaker 7: run the ball.
Speaker 3: Yeah, this is a.
Speaker 8: Perfect game to use the score board as the eleventh defender, right,
Speaker 8: because if the Jets are going to run, run, run, okay,
Speaker 8: well be it defensive touchdown and or special teams touchdown
Speaker 8: and or the offense getting off to a fast start
Speaker 8: and finding pay dirt. If you start to run up
Speaker 8: the score a little bit and it becomes a two
Speaker 8: possession game.
Speaker 3: You take them out. Take There you go. Now they
Speaker 3: can't run the ball. There you go.
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Speaker 7: matchup Cowboys defense versus Jets offense.
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Speaker 7: All right, here we go, final segment of the break
Speaker 7: Let's talk Cowboys defense versus Jets offense. Give me an
Speaker 7: assessment on Mazzie Smith. This last game you mentioned in
Speaker 7: the last segment, Brian, how do you think he played
Speaker 7: this last game and whatever snaps he actually got?
Speaker 3: You know what, I thought Mozzi Smith was better than
Speaker 3: what he'd shown in the preseason, and I feel like
Speaker 3: that there's there's he's starting to understand what his responsibility
Speaker 3: is he understands that he's not playing against Purdue or
Speaker 3: Indiana or Michigan State over there. He's playing in NFL games.
Speaker 3: And if you don't play with quickness and you don't
Speaker 3: get off the ball, then you're going to get blocked.
Speaker 3: These these linemen are good enough enough to be able
Speaker 3: to hook you, to turn you. Uh, they'll play with leverage,
Speaker 3: you know. But he's starting to understand there are times
Speaker 3: where when he is in when he has problems, he
Speaker 3: doesn't get off the ball quick enough.
Speaker 5: You see everybody else go ye and especially specific.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but it was yeah, but it was better than
Speaker 3: what it like. There were plays in the preseason where
Speaker 3: it was down after down after down where you're watching
Speaker 3: and it's it's especially it's especially noticeable when you play
Speaker 3: next to Osa, who is like standing on their backfield
Speaker 3: by the time you're going to come off the ball there.
Speaker 3: So he's got to realize movement and initial quickness is
Speaker 3: more important to him than power. And the minute he
Speaker 3: figures out that when he gets off the ball, teams
Speaker 3: will have trouble blocking him because of his size and power.
Speaker 3: But he's he's it's it was better. It was better,
Speaker 3: And I'm not chilling for the kid or chilling for
Speaker 3: the for the the scouting department. But you can honestly
Speaker 3: see there was a little bit better getting off the ball.
Speaker 3: Is that was chilly? Chilly?
Speaker 2: Like a shield?
Speaker 3: Well, no, I'm covering for him, covering for covering.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so like a shield, you're shielding, covering.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 9: Okay, I just yeah, I don't know what you were saying,
Speaker 9: but got it, thank you.
Speaker 7: So I guess from that standpoint, and you mentioned it
Speaker 7: that last segment, I think that we did see during
Speaker 7: training camp there were times when the Cowboys did use
Speaker 7: both mazi and and Hankins together. And I know what
Speaker 7: you're saying, Like, it doesn't solve everything together. It does
Speaker 7: make me wonder though, if if we might see that
Speaker 7: more from the standpoint of as you said before, one
Speaker 7: of the big issues there in the first in that
Speaker 7: first drive was the linebackers were getting offensive linemen in
Speaker 7: their laps.
Speaker 5: They couldn't get off the blocks.
Speaker 7: If you've got those two guys up front, does that
Speaker 7: also now make them tie up those offensive linemen to
Speaker 7: where those linebackers can float to the ball if they
Speaker 7: are deciding to go to the Yeah.
Speaker 3: But the thing about it it is those two guys
Speaker 3: in front have to hold those those I mean to me,
Speaker 3: if you stand there and just take a block, take
Speaker 3: a block, and guys willize like, okay, we're in position,
Speaker 3: and then they'll just go and hit and then go.
Speaker 3: You know, they'll just like and it's not like a
Speaker 3: hand check or something like that, but you just go
Speaker 3: hip to hip and then bounce it and then go
Speaker 3: knowing that, Okay, this guy's not gonna do anything like
Speaker 3: if you try and double team, like say like OSA,
Speaker 3: he's going to find a way to attack that He's
Speaker 3: going to attack a shoulder or he's gonna get through
Speaker 3: by the time you get or make it difficult for
Speaker 3: you to double team. These bigger guys they kind of
Speaker 3: stand up and take on. But then people realize like, okay,
Speaker 3: they're not going to do anything other than just stand
Speaker 3: there and then we'll take the guard and go ahead
Speaker 3: and go up. Yeah, you know, so you have to
Speaker 3: be you know, just if you're gonna if you're gonna
Speaker 3: take on double teams, make sure you're on you're pushing
Speaker 3: to get on the other side of the line of scrimmage,
Speaker 3: because if you just stand straight up, you know, the
Speaker 3: ball is still going to probably go to the outside.
Speaker 3: You know, those linebackers are still going to run, you know,
Speaker 3: to try and get to the ball. So to me,
Speaker 3: it's more about, yeah, take on blocks, but take on
Speaker 3: blocks on the other side of the line of scrimmage.
Speaker 3: Don't take on blocks two yards on your side of
Speaker 3: the line of scrimmage.
Speaker 7: When you look at the tight ends from last week
Speaker 7: we all talked about yesterday, they had some issues there
Speaker 7: catching the ball. What do you evaluate from the standpoint
Speaker 7: of their ability to block?
Speaker 8: I loved it, I absolutely loved it. I mean, you know,
Speaker 8: in the post Jason Whitten and now post Dalton Shuts era,
Speaker 8: the question was with these young guys not could they
Speaker 8: make plays. We saw them make plays with the ball
Speaker 8: as pass catchers last year. The question was can they
Speaker 8: upgrade the blocking Hindershot as an undrafted guy, he came in,
Speaker 8: wasn't the best blocker in college, but he started to
Speaker 8: make some strides and you see that in the game
Speaker 8: like on Sunday against the Giants. Jake Ferguson was a
Speaker 8: better blocker last year, especially coming out of school, but
Speaker 8: he even upgraded over here. So while we can rightfully
Speaker 8: say we need those guys to start catching the ball,
Speaker 8: and Jay Ferguson didn't log any drops last year, so
Speaker 8: I'm I'm just gonna go Millie Vanilli and blame it
Speaker 8: on the rain. For Jake Ferguson, Hindershot has dropped some balls,
Speaker 8: so you know he needs to show consistency in his
Speaker 8: pass catching. But when it comes to blocking, I think
Speaker 8: it was just a plus from those two guys.
Speaker 3: That's a Grammy Award winning group. By the way.
Speaker 9: Yeah, okay, I kind of my turn to talking about Okay,
Speaker 9: let me speak. I forgot I had a voice, but
Speaker 9: now I'm just kidding. I mean everything that you just said.
Speaker 9: Patrick is Well said you talk about Luke's kommaker and
Speaker 9: you were trying to figure out or we talked about
Speaker 9: his ability to blog. That was one of his selling
Speaker 9: points for the draft. He got drafted for that because
Speaker 9: you had questions about can these tight ends block? And
Speaker 9: that was the one thing that you were still missing
Speaker 9: in that group and in the offense, especially when you
Speaker 9: talk about injuries happening in the old line. You need
Speaker 9: some extra help that can co men and block for you.
Speaker 9: So kudos to them. They're done a great job, and
Speaker 9: I believe such a short amount of time. I thought
Speaker 9: it would take longer for us to start seeing that
Speaker 9: part of the game progressed throughout the season.
Speaker 2: They were able to present that present.
Speaker 9: That right away in week one and to the point
Speaker 9: where you're not needing to force or hurry a guy
Speaker 9: like Luke Schoonmaker to get in the game to hopefully
Speaker 9: help you balance out the game as far as I
Speaker 9: come in and help you with the blocking, so you're
Speaker 9: not needing to force that aspect now that these guys
Speaker 9: are showing the improvement in that area of the game,
Speaker 9: so that's really good for that.
Speaker 3: There'll be a challenge this week to block the guys
Speaker 3: that the Jets have. Though the John Franklin Myers is
Speaker 3: a good player. We talked about Carl Lawson potentially playing
Speaker 3: in this game. They play that I mentioned they play
Speaker 3: without spacing with their what they call the wide nine
Speaker 3: with the wide guys, So it'll be a little bit
Speaker 3: more of a challenge for the guys to block because
Speaker 3: I feel like there's a little bit better quality of
Speaker 3: some of the some of the defensive ends. These guys
Speaker 3: play the run really really well.
Speaker 7: Is there any concern you guys have for the Dallas
Speaker 7: defense getting gashed in the run game because they are
Speaker 7: so eager to get after the quarterback, especially in a
Speaker 7: game like this when you know that quarterback does not
Speaker 7: do well with pressure.
Speaker 8: I think they've shown more discipline that in that area
Speaker 8: as far as knowing when to pin their ears back
Speaker 8: and when to drop gears and be able to drop
Speaker 8: back and say, okay, well off the snap, I'm on
Speaker 8: full go, but oh recognize this is now a run
Speaker 8: play to the edge, drop and then covering the flat.
Speaker 8: I think they've done an exceptional job over the past
Speaker 8: couple of years as they progress more and more in
Speaker 8: dan Quinn's system and being able to go from top
Speaker 8: gear and dropping down a couple of gears in real time.
Speaker 8: So I mean, when you talk about talent like Breeze
Speaker 8: Hall Delvin Cook, they're gonna get their plays. The question
Speaker 8: is can the Cowboys limit the number of those big
Speaker 8: plays that happen and bottle cap the size So you
Speaker 8: don't want an eighty plus yard from Breeze Hall because
Speaker 8: that can be a game changer depending on the situation.
Speaker 8: But I've seen those guys the Cowboys defense in real time,
Speaker 8: especially guys like Sam Williams who last year had only
Speaker 8: one gear go eat. But this year he's already making
Speaker 8: progress and improving his run defense, and a part of
Speaker 8: that improvement is knowing when to recognize that, Hey, I
Speaker 8: thought this was a past play pre snap, but I
Speaker 8: recognized in real time this is now a run, and
Speaker 8: he would drop down a couple gears.
Speaker 3: So kudos to those guys.
Speaker 8: So I'm not as worried about it as I was
Speaker 8: in say twenty twenty one or twenty twenty specifically.
Speaker 9: Well, in the second segment, I think, if I remember correctly,
Speaker 9: you mentioned something about Wilson averaging about ninety yards per
Speaker 9: run and Brian you were talking, and you've mentioned it
Speaker 9: too as far as like the Jets possibly taken last
Speaker 9: week's film and them looking specifically at that first series
Speaker 9: and how the Giants were successful in that first in
Speaker 9: those first drives. Do you feel, though, because you mentioned Brian,
Speaker 9: how they would be in their quarterback but looking at
Speaker 9: again to the opposite of that that the running game
Speaker 9: plus a mobile quarterback is kind of what is the
Speaker 9: weak length for this Cowboys defense? Do you feel that
Speaker 9: they would show some confidence or that a guy like
Speaker 9: Wilson would have some confidence to take off with the
Speaker 9: ball and try those Sure.
Speaker 3: I mean, that's the thing that to me, especially if
Speaker 3: you're well, if they're if the Cowboys are so willing
Speaker 3: to get up the field, if you're willing to create
Speaker 3: you know, lanes, you know rush lanes and stuff like that,
Speaker 3: if you're able to you know, the twist games and
Speaker 3: stuff like that, maybe you get two guys that get
Speaker 3: blocked together and all of a sudden, there's a lane
Speaker 3: to run. Yeah. Absolutely, I could see Wilson just taking
Speaker 3: off and running with the ball. The biggest fear of
Speaker 3: the Cowboys have is that teams will run the football
Speaker 3: on them. That's the biggest fear because what will happen
Speaker 3: is all that pass rush stuff that they do will
Speaker 3: not matter. If teams can move the ball by just
Speaker 3: running the ball. But they could also where you down
Speaker 3: running the football and all of a sudden, now you're
Speaker 3: not so not so anxious to go and rush the
Speaker 3: passer because you're thinking, okay, here comes a run, and
Speaker 3: now you're playing like gear down, and you play gear down,
Speaker 3: and all of a sudden, wait a minute, they go
Speaker 3: play action on us, and they hit us over the top,
Speaker 3: or they hit us with the tight end play or
Speaker 3: they throw it to the back.
Speaker 9: But knowing that you lost Rogers and you're only starting
Speaker 9: week two, do you as a team go ahead and
Speaker 9: give him that livery to be free to run, or
Speaker 9: do you try to protect him a little bit more.
Speaker 3: They protect him when he throw when they throw the ball,
Speaker 3: they'll protect him with putting extra guys tight ends in
Speaker 3: the game to allow again by spacing, to keep the
Speaker 3: rushers off him, but they'll also keep those guys in.
Speaker 3: They've kept tight ends in and kept it back in
Speaker 3: and then just played with just two wide receivers running routes,
Speaker 3: you know, So that's kind of to their game plan
Speaker 3: is they feel like the best chance they have of
Speaker 3: getting the ball out was to keep tight ends in
Speaker 3: and keep it back in and then just try and
Speaker 3: see if they can win one on one on the outside.
Speaker 3: So they're gonna do everything that they can not to
Speaker 3: let this rush affect him. But the way that they're
Speaker 3: going to do it is they're gonna run the football. Absolutely,
Speaker 3: that's how they're gonna do it. They're gonna wear you
Speaker 3: down running the ball. They're gonna make you play run
Speaker 3: defense in this game for sure.
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