1 00:00:03,520 --> 00:00:06,000 Speaker 1: The following is a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com 2 00:00:06,000 --> 00:00:07,600 Speaker 1: and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. 3 00:00:09,920 --> 00:00:15,720 Speaker 2: Cowboys Let's go. 4 00:00:16,120 --> 00:00:17,320 Speaker 3: Are you ready for a break? 5 00:00:17,600 --> 00:00:17,880 Speaker 4: Yes? 6 00:00:18,120 --> 00:00:19,720 Speaker 5: Are you ready for a break? 7 00:00:19,880 --> 00:00:20,520 Speaker 4: Absolutely? 8 00:00:20,680 --> 00:00:22,560 Speaker 5: Ready for a break? 9 00:00:22,760 --> 00:00:24,880 Speaker 6: Yeah, and so much for that. 10 00:00:25,079 --> 00:00:29,320 Speaker 1: It's time for the Break on Dallas Cowboys dot Com. 11 00:00:29,360 --> 00:00:34,800 Speaker 1: We were on with Mbar Garcia, Brian brought us, Patrick 12 00:00:34,880 --> 00:00:37,240 Speaker 1: Walker and Derek Eagleton. 13 00:00:39,479 --> 00:00:43,519 Speaker 7: It is Thursday, September fourteenth, twenty twenty three, Season nineteen, 14 00:00:43,520 --> 00:00:45,040 Speaker 7: episode number thirty one. 15 00:00:45,520 --> 00:00:46,600 Speaker 5: Welcome to the latest. 16 00:00:46,400 --> 00:00:48,800 Speaker 7: Edition of The Break. We're Alive from the s WBC 17 00:00:48,920 --> 00:00:51,199 Speaker 7: Mortgage studios at the start, got the full crew back 18 00:00:51,240 --> 00:00:54,200 Speaker 7: with us today, and today we'll be talking about the 19 00:00:54,200 --> 00:00:57,760 Speaker 7: New York Jet offense versus the Cowboys defense. 20 00:00:57,640 --> 00:00:58,600 Speaker 5: Throughout the course of the show. 21 00:00:58,640 --> 00:01:00,480 Speaker 7: We hope to get some questions and there we haven't 22 00:01:00,480 --> 00:01:02,400 Speaker 7: had questions from fans in a while, so you guys 23 00:01:02,400 --> 00:01:04,320 Speaker 7: can hit us up on our text line. Eight one 24 00:01:04,520 --> 00:01:08,360 Speaker 7: seven two nine zero three two nine eight is the number. 25 00:01:08,560 --> 00:01:09,880 Speaker 5: You can also call us if you want to talk 26 00:01:09,880 --> 00:01:11,720 Speaker 5: to us. Eight eight eight eight five five two two 27 00:01:11,800 --> 00:01:12,160 Speaker 5: nine seven. 28 00:01:12,200 --> 00:01:14,480 Speaker 7: We'll get some phone calls throughout the show, hopefully and 29 00:01:14,840 --> 00:01:17,960 Speaker 7: uh and hopefully hear from you guys about this upcoming 30 00:01:18,000 --> 00:01:22,400 Speaker 7: matchup Cowboys versus Jets. Let's jump in and let's start 31 00:01:22,400 --> 00:01:26,640 Speaker 7: with an injury update. Yesterday on the injury report, Brandon. 32 00:01:26,240 --> 00:01:28,960 Speaker 5: Cooks pops up something. I don't know that I was expecting. 33 00:01:29,080 --> 00:01:31,480 Speaker 7: I don't know how many were expecting that, But uh, 34 00:01:31,680 --> 00:01:33,600 Speaker 7: tell us what's going on with Brandon Cooks and the 35 00:01:33,640 --> 00:01:35,960 Speaker 7: other guys who have already been on the injury report 36 00:01:36,000 --> 00:01:36,720 Speaker 7: over the last week. 37 00:01:36,920 --> 00:01:40,280 Speaker 8: I definitely was unexpected when it comes to Brandon Cooks, 38 00:01:40,319 --> 00:01:44,160 Speaker 8: no injury reported from him on Sunday, Monday or Tuesday. 39 00:01:44,200 --> 00:01:46,440 Speaker 8: Pops up on the injury report on Wednesday with what's 40 00:01:46,440 --> 00:01:49,520 Speaker 8: described as a knee injury. Brought us did some research 41 00:01:49,560 --> 00:01:52,520 Speaker 8: as well. He noticed it was nie is what they're 42 00:01:52,560 --> 00:01:52,840 Speaker 8: calling it. 43 00:01:52,920 --> 00:01:53,120 Speaker 4: Yeah. 44 00:01:53,560 --> 00:01:55,760 Speaker 8: I talked to Brandon in the locker room on yesterday 45 00:01:55,800 --> 00:01:58,120 Speaker 8: and he said, quote unquote, I feel good. He did 46 00:01:58,160 --> 00:02:02,160 Speaker 8: defer to Mike McCarthy as far as injury prognosis and availability, 47 00:02:02,160 --> 00:02:04,320 Speaker 8: which just makes sense because you know there might be 48 00:02:04,360 --> 00:02:08,200 Speaker 8: some gamesmanship in any of that nature. But he says 49 00:02:08,200 --> 00:02:10,000 Speaker 8: he feels good. Cowboys are going to keep him in 50 00:02:10,000 --> 00:02:12,800 Speaker 8: the rehab group today because if it is nee soreness, obviously, 51 00:02:12,800 --> 00:02:15,680 Speaker 8: you want to rest that. Tyler Smith, he did, he 52 00:02:15,720 --> 00:02:18,560 Speaker 8: had a workout on yesterday. Mike McCarthy was impressed with that. 53 00:02:18,680 --> 00:02:21,400 Speaker 8: He also said that Tyler Smith is pushing to play, 54 00:02:21,840 --> 00:02:24,400 Speaker 8: so that gives me indication that if this were you know, 55 00:02:24,400 --> 00:02:26,639 Speaker 8: a playoff birth or playoff seating them or something like that, 56 00:02:26,800 --> 00:02:29,480 Speaker 8: Tyler could play. Cowboys are just being cautious because it's 57 00:02:29,480 --> 00:02:31,840 Speaker 8: a long season. He'll be with the rehab group today 58 00:02:31,840 --> 00:02:34,919 Speaker 8: as well. Donovan Wilson had a workout yesterday what Mike 59 00:02:35,000 --> 00:02:38,520 Speaker 8: McCarthy called, quote unquote a big workout. He said, Donald 60 00:02:38,560 --> 00:02:42,440 Speaker 8: did more yesterday than I expected, and that means Donovan 61 00:02:42,480 --> 00:02:46,079 Speaker 8: Wilson might actually get some burn in practice today, which 62 00:02:46,120 --> 00:02:48,440 Speaker 8: goes with what Mike said yesterday as far as Donald 63 00:02:48,560 --> 00:02:51,720 Speaker 8: being slightly ahead of Tyler in his recovery. So I 64 00:02:51,760 --> 00:02:55,040 Speaker 8: expect to see Donald, you know, maybe limited in practice today, 65 00:02:55,040 --> 00:02:57,320 Speaker 8: but that's definitely an upgrade over what he's been to 66 00:02:57,360 --> 00:03:00,360 Speaker 8: this point. So looks like Donovan Wilson definitely had a 67 00:03:00,360 --> 00:03:03,600 Speaker 8: good shot at playing against the Jets. Tyler Smith, we're 68 00:03:03,600 --> 00:03:06,040 Speaker 8: still feeling that out Brandon Cooks if it's just knee 69 00:03:06,080 --> 00:03:08,960 Speaker 8: soreness as as indicated, then you rested and he should 70 00:03:09,000 --> 00:03:10,720 Speaker 8: be a go, but we'll see how the week rolls out. 71 00:03:10,840 --> 00:03:13,440 Speaker 7: When you talk about that knee, Brian, from what you 72 00:03:13,480 --> 00:03:16,240 Speaker 7: were hearing, is it soreness that came from something that 73 00:03:16,320 --> 00:03:18,239 Speaker 7: happened in the game or is it just where. 74 00:03:18,200 --> 00:03:20,320 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's in the game. It was something he got, 75 00:03:20,320 --> 00:03:22,240 Speaker 3: He got banged He got banged up a little bit 76 00:03:22,280 --> 00:03:22,840 Speaker 3: in the game. Yeah. 77 00:03:22,880 --> 00:03:24,600 Speaker 7: Yeah, with older players you just kind of worry like, 78 00:03:24,680 --> 00:03:26,640 Speaker 7: is it just soreness just because of use. 79 00:03:26,880 --> 00:03:29,160 Speaker 8: That that can be something you said on yesterday that 80 00:03:29,200 --> 00:03:32,160 Speaker 8: it did happen in the game. But the good news 81 00:03:32,240 --> 00:03:34,280 Speaker 8: is is that he was able to finish the game, 82 00:03:34,360 --> 00:03:36,520 Speaker 8: so he didn't miss any snaps due to the injury. 83 00:03:36,640 --> 00:03:38,560 Speaker 8: So that's a good sign as far as where he 84 00:03:38,680 --> 00:03:39,360 Speaker 8: is with that knee. 85 00:03:39,400 --> 00:03:42,240 Speaker 3: When he has problems, it's the soft tissue injury stuff. 86 00:03:42,440 --> 00:03:45,920 Speaker 3: That's where that's that's something that's been with him throughout 87 00:03:45,960 --> 00:03:46,960 Speaker 3: his career. 88 00:03:47,160 --> 00:03:50,640 Speaker 5: Okay, talking about did you mention Jordan Lewis there, Jordan Lewis? 89 00:03:50,680 --> 00:03:53,760 Speaker 8: Okay, So Jordan Lewis was a healthy scratch on last week, 90 00:03:53,760 --> 00:03:55,680 Speaker 8: which was a bit of a surprise given you know, 91 00:03:56,000 --> 00:03:59,200 Speaker 8: my conversation with Jordan and Mike McCarthy's press conferences talking 92 00:03:59,240 --> 00:04:01,520 Speaker 8: about how Jordan was ahead of the curve. I spoke 93 00:04:01,560 --> 00:04:04,000 Speaker 8: with Jordan Lewis on yesterday just to confirm that it 94 00:04:04,040 --> 00:04:06,320 Speaker 8: was indeed a healthy scratch, and he said it absolutely was, 95 00:04:06,600 --> 00:04:09,160 Speaker 8: And it was exactly what I kind of speculated on 96 00:04:09,680 --> 00:04:12,000 Speaker 8: Twitter when I said maybe the Cowboys want to see 97 00:04:12,080 --> 00:04:14,760 Speaker 8: him in practice for another week. That's basically exactly what 98 00:04:14,840 --> 00:04:16,640 Speaker 8: Jordan told me in the locker room yesterday. He said 99 00:04:16,880 --> 00:04:18,440 Speaker 8: the coaches came to him and said, you know what, 100 00:04:18,800 --> 00:04:21,440 Speaker 8: You're ready, but we want to see you in practice 101 00:04:21,520 --> 00:04:23,680 Speaker 8: ramp up a little bit more this week. So the 102 00:04:23,880 --> 00:04:28,239 Speaker 8: strong expectation is that Ambar that Jordan Lewis will. 103 00:04:28,040 --> 00:04:29,800 Speaker 2: Be on the feet. Got a double check what you're 104 00:04:29,839 --> 00:04:30,880 Speaker 2: saying from now on. 105 00:04:31,080 --> 00:04:33,039 Speaker 5: I'm telling you what I'm told. I'm telling you what 106 00:04:33,040 --> 00:04:33,480 Speaker 5: I'm told. 107 00:04:33,560 --> 00:04:37,000 Speaker 8: So Jordan Lewis, based on what he's telling me, he's 108 00:04:37,040 --> 00:04:39,279 Speaker 8: one hundred percent confident that he'll be on the field 109 00:04:39,279 --> 00:04:42,440 Speaker 8: against the Jets. Obviously it's coach's decision, but if you 110 00:04:42,480 --> 00:04:45,720 Speaker 8: take what Mike McCarthy just said this morning about Jordan Lewis, 111 00:04:45,320 --> 00:04:48,320 Speaker 8: it seems to be they're in lockstep right now. 112 00:04:48,400 --> 00:04:51,360 Speaker 3: So that but you know, it's what's you know, it's 113 00:04:51,640 --> 00:04:53,640 Speaker 3: I mean, I love what you guys are saying here. 114 00:04:53,960 --> 00:04:55,560 Speaker 3: You only dressed forty eight of these rats. 115 00:04:55,560 --> 00:04:56,640 Speaker 5: I was just about saying that, you know. 116 00:04:56,560 --> 00:04:59,599 Speaker 3: And all of a sudden, now it's it. And maybe 117 00:04:59,640 --> 00:05:01,480 Speaker 3: there is a little bit of a sense of urgency 118 00:05:01,520 --> 00:05:03,840 Speaker 3: from guys like Donovan Wilson and others when you start 119 00:05:03,880 --> 00:05:07,400 Speaker 3: to see the success the defense has with backup players 120 00:05:07,400 --> 00:05:09,560 Speaker 3: in there. And if you're a coach, you have to 121 00:05:09,560 --> 00:05:12,000 Speaker 3: be very mindful of Okay, do I want to take 122 00:05:12,120 --> 00:05:14,479 Speaker 3: Marquise Bell out of this lineup right now? Do I 123 00:05:14,520 --> 00:05:17,159 Speaker 3: want to take Janier Thomas out of this lineup right now? 124 00:05:17,640 --> 00:05:19,960 Speaker 3: And you know, that's where we got into a little 125 00:05:19,960 --> 00:05:24,400 Speaker 3: bit about with duce Vaughn and how many plays is 126 00:05:24,480 --> 00:05:26,960 Speaker 3: duce fond giving you a game to be able to 127 00:05:27,080 --> 00:05:30,000 Speaker 3: carry that extra running back there? You know, do you 128 00:05:30,080 --> 00:05:33,000 Speaker 3: need a defensive player? And nothing against duce Vaughn, but 129 00:05:33,080 --> 00:05:36,119 Speaker 3: there are going to be some healthy scratches along the way. 130 00:05:36,920 --> 00:05:40,360 Speaker 3: It'll be interesting to see, you know, with Dan Quinn 131 00:05:40,360 --> 00:05:43,240 Speaker 3: and the guys that he fights for, the guys that 132 00:05:43,360 --> 00:05:46,440 Speaker 3: Bones Fossil fights for. But you can only dress so 133 00:05:46,480 --> 00:05:48,640 Speaker 3: many of these guys, and then when they start coming 134 00:05:48,680 --> 00:05:51,400 Speaker 3: back in the lineup, then all of a sudden you're 135 00:05:51,440 --> 00:05:53,680 Speaker 3: looking at a situation where some other guys are not 136 00:05:53,720 --> 00:05:57,120 Speaker 3: going to be able to dress. And I think it's 137 00:05:57,560 --> 00:06:00,000 Speaker 3: it sounds real simple to say, you know, pull them in, 138 00:06:00,520 --> 00:06:02,160 Speaker 3: plug him in, pull him out kind of a thing, 139 00:06:02,160 --> 00:06:05,360 Speaker 3: but it really doesn't work all that that easily, especially 140 00:06:05,360 --> 00:06:07,119 Speaker 3: when you have guys that are playing pretty well. 141 00:06:07,320 --> 00:06:09,560 Speaker 7: I even wonder what's the role for a guy like 142 00:06:09,680 --> 00:06:13,320 Speaker 7: Jordan Lewis, particularly on a week like this where my 143 00:06:13,440 --> 00:06:15,920 Speaker 7: suspicion is that the Jets will go into this game 144 00:06:15,960 --> 00:06:18,239 Speaker 7: thinking we want to run, we want to run a lot, 145 00:06:18,600 --> 00:06:20,400 Speaker 7: And it makes me wonder if Dallas is going to 146 00:06:20,440 --> 00:06:22,240 Speaker 7: be in a situation where defensively they want to go 147 00:06:22,279 --> 00:06:24,760 Speaker 7: heavy more and maybe they want to have an extra 148 00:06:24,839 --> 00:06:28,080 Speaker 7: defensive line and an extra linebacker, an extra safety more 149 00:06:28,120 --> 00:06:31,640 Speaker 7: so than having that third cornerback on the field. Because 150 00:06:31,880 --> 00:06:34,760 Speaker 7: of the running game that the Jets pose, the problems 151 00:06:34,760 --> 00:06:37,359 Speaker 7: that that running game compose, it makes me wonder, like 152 00:06:37,400 --> 00:06:39,520 Speaker 7: what would be his role this week as a fourth cornerback, 153 00:06:39,560 --> 00:06:42,240 Speaker 7: presumably in this in this rotation right now. 154 00:06:42,080 --> 00:06:43,960 Speaker 8: Where my mind goes with that is an excellent point 155 00:06:44,000 --> 00:06:45,640 Speaker 8: that brought us brought up last week when it came 156 00:06:45,640 --> 00:06:48,400 Speaker 8: to Jordan Lewis is the package against the Saints where 157 00:06:48,400 --> 00:06:50,640 Speaker 8: it was Jordan Lewis, Spine and Alvin Kamara. So when 158 00:06:50,640 --> 00:06:52,560 Speaker 8: you look at the skill set of a guy like 159 00:06:52,600 --> 00:06:54,600 Speaker 8: Breise Hall who can be explosive out of the backfield, 160 00:06:54,680 --> 00:06:56,640 Speaker 8: Dalvin Cook who can be an explosive receiver out of 161 00:06:56,640 --> 00:06:59,760 Speaker 8: the backfield as well, Jordan Lewis has shown that he can, 162 00:07:00,040 --> 00:07:03,440 Speaker 8: you know, spy those guys effectively. So maybe that's a 163 00:07:03,440 --> 00:07:05,120 Speaker 8: potential world for him in a game like this. 164 00:07:06,040 --> 00:07:09,520 Speaker 9: Yeah, And I was gonna say, like this kind of 165 00:07:09,600 --> 00:07:13,760 Speaker 9: has been his story in his career where something else 166 00:07:13,840 --> 00:07:16,600 Speaker 9: happens and he's kind of left out in a way, 167 00:07:16,640 --> 00:07:19,080 Speaker 9: but yet he finds a way to be back in 168 00:07:19,200 --> 00:07:21,440 Speaker 9: the group. So I think at the end of the day, 169 00:07:21,560 --> 00:07:24,440 Speaker 9: I mean, the coaches know dan Quinn has kept him 170 00:07:24,440 --> 00:07:26,920 Speaker 9: here for a reason. He knows the talent that he 171 00:07:27,040 --> 00:07:31,200 Speaker 9: has he will be used this season, and I trust 172 00:07:31,400 --> 00:07:35,120 Speaker 9: the decision that they make in whatever time or week 173 00:07:35,280 --> 00:07:37,880 Speaker 9: they decide to go ahead and plug him in because 174 00:07:37,880 --> 00:07:39,800 Speaker 9: you can't have too many of those guys and you 175 00:07:39,800 --> 00:07:41,280 Speaker 9: were talking about who are you gonna dress? 176 00:07:41,280 --> 00:07:41,960 Speaker 2: Who are you gonna sit? 177 00:07:42,080 --> 00:07:42,240 Speaker 3: Right? 178 00:07:42,280 --> 00:07:45,680 Speaker 9: I mean, it does sound simple, but it is a 179 00:07:45,720 --> 00:07:47,400 Speaker 9: problem to a good problem. 180 00:07:47,920 --> 00:07:49,200 Speaker 2: It's a great problem to have. 181 00:07:49,280 --> 00:07:53,040 Speaker 9: So and it's one of those scenarios that we haven't had, 182 00:07:53,280 --> 00:07:58,720 Speaker 9: haven't always had that in different past, previous years where 183 00:07:58,720 --> 00:08:00,960 Speaker 9: we're sitting here like, man, you're sitting out a really 184 00:08:01,400 --> 00:08:04,200 Speaker 9: talented player, what else are you gonna play? 185 00:08:04,240 --> 00:08:07,560 Speaker 2: And you have so many weapons? So it's something super exciting. 186 00:08:07,640 --> 00:08:10,400 Speaker 3: I think it goes to the credit to the defensive 187 00:08:10,440 --> 00:08:13,280 Speaker 3: coaches in the way that they I've always felt like 188 00:08:13,320 --> 00:08:16,680 Speaker 3: that if you give these defensive coaches players, they will 189 00:08:16,680 --> 00:08:19,360 Speaker 3: figure out how to play eight to ten plays with 190 00:08:19,440 --> 00:08:22,360 Speaker 3: a guy. They'll figure out like, Okay, this guy can 191 00:08:22,440 --> 00:08:24,840 Speaker 3: come in and help us here. You know, where as 192 00:08:24,840 --> 00:08:26,720 Speaker 3: you mentioned in the past, maybe it was a little 193 00:08:26,720 --> 00:08:29,920 Speaker 3: bit more focused on Okay, these are you know, these 194 00:08:29,960 --> 00:08:32,320 Speaker 3: are thirteen fourteen guys that we're going to play and 195 00:08:32,360 --> 00:08:34,880 Speaker 3: everybody else. But what you do is you learn that 196 00:08:34,960 --> 00:08:38,400 Speaker 3: guys like Marquise Bell and others and Janie Thomas and 197 00:08:38,400 --> 00:08:41,280 Speaker 3: those guys can play because they play three preseason games 198 00:08:41,400 --> 00:08:43,320 Speaker 3: and then you watch them in practice and then all 199 00:08:43,360 --> 00:08:45,680 Speaker 3: of a sudden that carries over to the game. So, 200 00:08:46,320 --> 00:08:49,199 Speaker 3: but these defensive coaches do a heck of a job 201 00:08:49,559 --> 00:08:52,600 Speaker 3: of getting guys involved, and then it makes you like 202 00:08:52,640 --> 00:08:54,560 Speaker 3: to say, well, how do you take that guy off? 203 00:08:54,600 --> 00:08:57,280 Speaker 3: I mean, seriously, you know Bell is a guy on 204 00:08:57,320 --> 00:09:01,200 Speaker 3: the field making tackles, big body guys. To Derek's point, 205 00:09:01,240 --> 00:09:03,480 Speaker 3: we'll get into the Jets and what they're probably going 206 00:09:03,520 --> 00:09:06,720 Speaker 3: to try and do to you comes Sunday. But you 207 00:09:06,760 --> 00:09:09,040 Speaker 3: give me these many big body guys on the field 208 00:09:09,080 --> 00:09:11,640 Speaker 3: that I can handle. If teams are going to try 209 00:09:11,640 --> 00:09:14,240 Speaker 3: and spread you out and play a lot of wide receivers, 210 00:09:14,720 --> 00:09:17,120 Speaker 3: then this is where all of a sudden, Jordan Lewis 211 00:09:17,120 --> 00:09:18,840 Speaker 3: finds a roll back into the game, right. 212 00:09:18,920 --> 00:09:21,120 Speaker 7: And I think that's the interesting part here is I 213 00:09:21,120 --> 00:09:24,280 Speaker 7: think every week mixing on the defense, Yeah, there are 214 00:09:24,320 --> 00:09:27,520 Speaker 7: gonna be some talented guys who are gonna be inactive 215 00:09:27,800 --> 00:09:28,760 Speaker 7: every single week every day. 216 00:09:28,760 --> 00:09:31,199 Speaker 5: They've got so much talent on this defense that it's 217 00:09:31,240 --> 00:09:33,000 Speaker 5: going to be a matter of and it probably give 218 00:09:33,000 --> 00:09:34,559 Speaker 5: you a little indication as what they're. 219 00:09:34,400 --> 00:09:36,760 Speaker 7: Thinking schematically on what they think the other team is 220 00:09:36,800 --> 00:09:38,400 Speaker 7: going to try to do to them and where they 221 00:09:38,400 --> 00:09:41,880 Speaker 7: think they want to be heavier or lighter depending on. 222 00:09:41,960 --> 00:09:42,600 Speaker 3: Who they're playing. 223 00:09:42,640 --> 00:09:45,800 Speaker 9: And the cool thing that I really appreciate about this 224 00:09:45,920 --> 00:09:50,240 Speaker 9: coaching staff is that they've shown not to glue themselves 225 00:09:50,280 --> 00:09:52,600 Speaker 9: to a player, not to get too attached. They're not 226 00:09:52,679 --> 00:09:57,280 Speaker 9: afraid to switch someone out, someone out. The only exception 227 00:09:57,400 --> 00:09:59,839 Speaker 9: that really comes to mind, I would say Kelvin Joseph, 228 00:09:59,880 --> 00:10:02,319 Speaker 9: but they had to they really have other options. But 229 00:10:02,440 --> 00:10:05,839 Speaker 9: then Terren Steal, That's the only other case that comes 230 00:10:05,880 --> 00:10:08,240 Speaker 9: to mind to where they stuck with him and they 231 00:10:08,320 --> 00:10:10,560 Speaker 9: were right. Turns out to me that they were right. 232 00:10:10,679 --> 00:10:14,600 Speaker 9: So it's something that again back in like Jason Garrett's era, 233 00:10:15,080 --> 00:10:17,959 Speaker 9: when I first started working here, I never saw that 234 00:10:18,120 --> 00:10:21,839 Speaker 9: they would stick to one guy and just ride the 235 00:10:21,920 --> 00:10:24,560 Speaker 9: whole season with that person. This coaching stuff just gives 236 00:10:24,600 --> 00:10:25,439 Speaker 9: guys opportunity. 237 00:10:25,520 --> 00:10:27,800 Speaker 3: It was always that next man up thing. It was 238 00:10:27,920 --> 00:10:30,400 Speaker 3: like when we need you be ready kind of a thing, 239 00:10:30,480 --> 00:10:33,599 Speaker 3: instead of using everybody on your bench. You know that 240 00:10:33,840 --> 00:10:38,680 Speaker 3: that administration was more locked into okay, are these are guys? 241 00:10:38,720 --> 00:10:41,760 Speaker 3: These are twenty two guys and player twenty three on 242 00:10:42,000 --> 00:10:43,319 Speaker 3: does not really matter here. 243 00:10:43,640 --> 00:10:45,760 Speaker 8: I think when it comes to how you're going to 244 00:10:45,800 --> 00:10:48,640 Speaker 8: figure out that forty eight. I think it might be 245 00:10:48,720 --> 00:10:52,559 Speaker 8: a situation where Noah Igbinoghni, who had an explosive debut 246 00:10:52,600 --> 00:10:54,679 Speaker 8: for the Cowboys with their Special teams touchdown and I 247 00:10:54,720 --> 00:10:56,680 Speaker 8: had a great conversation with him. Ladies and gentlemen, make 248 00:10:56,679 --> 00:10:58,680 Speaker 8: sure you go to Dallas Cowboys dot com and check 249 00:10:58,760 --> 00:11:01,880 Speaker 8: that out. This might a situation where he finds himself 250 00:11:01,960 --> 00:11:04,599 Speaker 8: inactive to bring Jeordan Lewis in. Yeah, then because you 251 00:11:04,679 --> 00:11:06,880 Speaker 8: want to if Donald is in fact going to play, 252 00:11:07,160 --> 00:11:09,440 Speaker 8: you still have to have that depth just in case, right, 253 00:11:09,520 --> 00:11:11,760 Speaker 8: So Marquispell, Jeye Thomas, those are also going to be 254 00:11:11,800 --> 00:11:14,439 Speaker 8: special teams guys who knock on wood. If they have 255 00:11:14,559 --> 00:11:17,440 Speaker 8: to come in defensively, they can come in and be available. 256 00:11:17,800 --> 00:11:19,760 Speaker 8: But I think this could be a situation where when 257 00:11:19,760 --> 00:11:22,920 Speaker 8: you're trying to figure out numbers game Igbinogany although the 258 00:11:23,000 --> 00:11:25,520 Speaker 8: explosive game in week one and it would not be 259 00:11:25,559 --> 00:11:27,520 Speaker 8: a knock to his talent if he were inactive in 260 00:11:27,600 --> 00:11:29,360 Speaker 8: week two. It would just simply be trying to figure 261 00:11:29,400 --> 00:11:31,720 Speaker 8: out the scheme for this particular week and who needs 262 00:11:31,760 --> 00:11:33,680 Speaker 8: to sit, who needs to play based upon the personnel 263 00:11:33,679 --> 00:11:34,520 Speaker 8: that the other team is present. 264 00:11:34,600 --> 00:11:38,400 Speaker 3: They already dress for specialists if you count C. J. Goodwin, 265 00:11:38,520 --> 00:11:41,040 Speaker 3: because he really doesn't play any defensive snaps for you. 266 00:11:41,600 --> 00:11:43,679 Speaker 3: So now you're you know, that's an extra guy that 267 00:11:43,800 --> 00:11:45,719 Speaker 3: you have to account for because he really is a 268 00:11:46,160 --> 00:11:49,439 Speaker 3: specialist in that way. 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Visit at and T stadium dot com slash 330 00:14:30,760 --> 00:14:33,920 Speaker 3: Rally days for more information and to get your tickets. 331 00:14:34,080 --> 00:14:37,320 Speaker 7: Today, welcome back, second segment of The Break live from 332 00:14:37,320 --> 00:14:39,760 Speaker 7: the SWNBC Mortgage Studios. 333 00:14:39,640 --> 00:14:40,280 Speaker 5: At the Star. 334 00:14:40,800 --> 00:14:44,760 Speaker 7: Brian, Let's dive in Jets offense versus Cowboys defense. 335 00:14:45,080 --> 00:14:48,240 Speaker 3: Go Okay, let me finish this text real quick and 336 00:14:48,640 --> 00:14:51,200 Speaker 3: I got that done. All right, here we go. Yeah, 337 00:14:51,320 --> 00:14:54,080 Speaker 3: with the Jets, this is where when you start to 338 00:14:54,120 --> 00:14:56,320 Speaker 3: watch the tape. I don't know if the plan versus 339 00:14:56,320 --> 00:14:58,800 Speaker 3: the Bills was to play with twelve and thirteen personnel 340 00:14:58,840 --> 00:15:01,720 Speaker 3: in this game time that Aaron Rodgers was in there, 341 00:15:02,080 --> 00:15:04,200 Speaker 3: but as the game wore on, that's what they did 342 00:15:04,240 --> 00:15:08,280 Speaker 3: when Zack Wilson came into the game. So it was initially, 343 00:15:08,480 --> 00:15:11,080 Speaker 3: you know, it's only four plays, you really kind didn't 344 00:15:11,080 --> 00:15:13,280 Speaker 3: really figure things out for what they were gonna do 345 00:15:13,320 --> 00:15:15,440 Speaker 3: with Rogers, what the plan was going to be. But 346 00:15:15,560 --> 00:15:18,000 Speaker 3: when Zack Wilson came in the game, he saw more 347 00:15:18,080 --> 00:15:21,040 Speaker 3: tight ends in the game. Twelve thirteen personnel, two tight ends, 348 00:15:21,080 --> 00:15:23,920 Speaker 3: three tight ends. They're going to load up on the 349 00:15:24,080 --> 00:15:27,120 Speaker 3: edges with multiple blockers. They appear to they run the 350 00:15:27,160 --> 00:15:30,320 Speaker 3: ball better when they get in these personnel groups that 351 00:15:30,440 --> 00:15:33,680 Speaker 3: twelve and thirteen personnel group. They'll use this in a 352 00:15:33,840 --> 00:15:37,560 Speaker 3: form to help also with pass protection, so they'll keep 353 00:15:37,640 --> 00:15:39,480 Speaker 3: guys in. I think this is a game where you're 354 00:15:39,480 --> 00:15:42,200 Speaker 3: going to see them trying to deal with the Cowboys 355 00:15:42,320 --> 00:15:45,240 Speaker 3: in with spacing more than just maybe some one on 356 00:15:45,440 --> 00:15:47,760 Speaker 3: one block. And when you put tight ends in there. 357 00:15:47,760 --> 00:15:49,560 Speaker 3: If you put a tight end in a wing, what 358 00:15:49,640 --> 00:15:51,600 Speaker 3: does that do? It takes a man and removes him 359 00:15:52,280 --> 00:15:56,480 Speaker 3: two gaps. So sometimes you can create spacing to help 360 00:15:56,520 --> 00:15:59,440 Speaker 3: your blockers not have to deal with a pass rush 361 00:15:59,520 --> 00:16:01,440 Speaker 3: that's going to come off the edge. But look for 362 00:16:01,560 --> 00:16:03,440 Speaker 3: them to try and help them use that to help 363 00:16:03,520 --> 00:16:06,920 Speaker 3: them also in that running game. Zach Wilson I mentioned 364 00:16:06,960 --> 00:16:09,640 Speaker 3: he's going to be your starter. This is his third season. 365 00:16:09,720 --> 00:16:12,520 Speaker 3: He still doesn't look super comfortable as a player. You 366 00:16:12,600 --> 00:16:15,240 Speaker 3: could really see some hit and miss in him in 367 00:16:15,360 --> 00:16:18,760 Speaker 3: his game. Accuracy will come and go, Receivers will bail 368 00:16:18,840 --> 00:16:21,320 Speaker 3: him out at times. I feel there are plays where 369 00:16:21,360 --> 00:16:23,240 Speaker 3: he's just made up his mind where he's going to 370 00:16:23,280 --> 00:16:26,080 Speaker 3: go with the football, and pre snap he's just like, Okay, 371 00:16:26,440 --> 00:16:28,520 Speaker 3: I'm just going to throw it here and then hope 372 00:16:28,560 --> 00:16:30,840 Speaker 3: for the best. I don't think he's a really a 373 00:16:31,000 --> 00:16:34,520 Speaker 3: natural player for the position right now, you know, there's 374 00:16:34,600 --> 00:16:37,000 Speaker 3: kind of some throw the ball and hope for the best. 375 00:16:37,840 --> 00:16:40,560 Speaker 3: I'm not sure there's some real progression as far as 376 00:16:40,760 --> 00:16:44,120 Speaker 3: reading what you're going to do defensively to him or 377 00:16:44,200 --> 00:16:46,600 Speaker 3: he could see that. So maybe with dan Quinn you 378 00:16:46,720 --> 00:16:49,040 Speaker 3: try and fool him a little bit with some alignment 379 00:16:49,520 --> 00:16:53,120 Speaker 3: and then rotate some ways, and he has a tendency 380 00:16:53,240 --> 00:16:55,680 Speaker 3: not to see everybody on the field, so it might 381 00:16:55,720 --> 00:16:57,880 Speaker 3: be a way to kind of take advantage of him. 382 00:16:58,720 --> 00:17:01,000 Speaker 3: The offensive line, in my opinion and is a better 383 00:17:01,120 --> 00:17:03,560 Speaker 3: run blocking unit than they are a pass blocking unit. 384 00:17:03,640 --> 00:17:06,960 Speaker 3: At this point. They'll pull, they'll trap to get blocks. 385 00:17:07,080 --> 00:17:10,800 Speaker 3: Crack toss where you take the wide receiver inside you 386 00:17:10,880 --> 00:17:13,200 Speaker 3: pull guys to the edge is a good play for them. 387 00:17:13,600 --> 00:17:15,680 Speaker 3: They double team at the point of attack, but they'll 388 00:17:15,720 --> 00:17:20,080 Speaker 3: struggle at times to get second level blocks. When center 389 00:17:20,200 --> 00:17:23,720 Speaker 3: Connor McGovern had a real trouble getting to the second 390 00:17:23,840 --> 00:17:26,560 Speaker 3: level and when he didn't do that, the play resulted 391 00:17:26,600 --> 00:17:29,639 Speaker 3: into a tackle for loss. There. Twist stunts by the 392 00:17:29,720 --> 00:17:32,000 Speaker 3: Bills were a problem for them, especially on the left 393 00:17:32,040 --> 00:17:35,560 Speaker 3: side of the offensive line. That's Lake and Tomlinson and 394 00:17:35,720 --> 00:17:39,320 Speaker 3: Dwayne Brown. They didn't pass the stunts well enough. Resulted 395 00:17:39,359 --> 00:17:42,159 Speaker 3: in some pressures over on that side. Cowboys like to 396 00:17:42,280 --> 00:17:45,240 Speaker 3: move the front, like to kind of try and and 397 00:17:45,400 --> 00:17:47,560 Speaker 3: mess with your blocking schemes a little bit mess with 398 00:17:47,640 --> 00:17:50,440 Speaker 3: you with the way that they rushed their guys. When 399 00:17:50,560 --> 00:17:57,040 Speaker 3: rushing McKay Beckton the tackle, you just need to keep 400 00:17:57,119 --> 00:18:01,240 Speaker 3: pushing the edge on him. He's not when rushers stop 401 00:18:01,640 --> 00:18:04,480 Speaker 3: with him, he then has a chance to recover. You 402 00:18:04,640 --> 00:18:06,760 Speaker 3: just need to keep pushing on him, pushing on him, 403 00:18:06,800 --> 00:18:10,920 Speaker 3: pushing on him, and it'll put him in a blocking spot. 404 00:18:11,000 --> 00:18:13,960 Speaker 3: There vera tucker the guard, he'll struggle with power, so 405 00:18:14,040 --> 00:18:17,119 Speaker 3: you can knock him back as well. So they've got 406 00:18:17,200 --> 00:18:19,480 Speaker 3: some issues with their offensive line. Like I said, I 407 00:18:19,520 --> 00:18:21,840 Speaker 3: think they're a little bit better run blocking group than 408 00:18:21,880 --> 00:18:25,399 Speaker 3: they are a passing group. Running backs Breece Hall and 409 00:18:25,480 --> 00:18:28,280 Speaker 3: Dalvin Cook will be a problem. Both have shown the 410 00:18:28,359 --> 00:18:30,720 Speaker 3: ability to make the first man miss in order to 411 00:18:30,800 --> 00:18:34,840 Speaker 3: create space. I've seen tackles just facklers bounce off them 412 00:18:35,200 --> 00:18:38,040 Speaker 3: and attempt to wrap them up. They're powerful running styles. 413 00:18:38,480 --> 00:18:41,920 Speaker 3: Hall is outstanding reading the blocks and then allowing them 414 00:18:42,000 --> 00:18:45,439 Speaker 3: to develop and then getting through the hole. That's something 415 00:18:45,520 --> 00:18:47,920 Speaker 3: that he when he sees that all of a sudden, 416 00:18:47,920 --> 00:18:50,080 Speaker 3: you see it kind of develop and then he finds 417 00:18:50,119 --> 00:18:52,359 Speaker 3: it and then he goes and he's a hard guy 418 00:18:52,440 --> 00:18:54,800 Speaker 3: to kind of bring down in that in that there's 419 00:18:54,880 --> 00:18:57,840 Speaker 3: just no hesitation in his game. Both backs will play 420 00:18:57,880 --> 00:19:00,399 Speaker 3: in the backfield at the same time, they'll set up 421 00:19:00,480 --> 00:19:04,360 Speaker 3: plays off that. Nathaniel Hackett is not afraid to run 422 00:19:04,520 --> 00:19:07,520 Speaker 3: screens with either one of these guys. That goes to 423 00:19:07,560 --> 00:19:10,960 Speaker 3: your point about maybe with Jeorge Lewis being in this game, 424 00:19:11,080 --> 00:19:13,040 Speaker 3: but he'll put him in the backfield. He'll run one 425 00:19:13,119 --> 00:19:15,440 Speaker 3: one way, throw the screen back, or he'll throw a 426 00:19:15,560 --> 00:19:18,120 Speaker 3: screen or a swing to the other one. But he's 427 00:19:18,160 --> 00:19:20,920 Speaker 3: trying to do some things to create some issues with 428 00:19:21,080 --> 00:19:24,439 Speaker 3: him with formations. Both catch the ball well. Both can 429 00:19:24,480 --> 00:19:26,960 Speaker 3: make plays on the ball with it in their hands. 430 00:19:27,520 --> 00:19:30,320 Speaker 3: A wide receiver, Garrett Wilson, he's got the potential be 431 00:19:30,400 --> 00:19:32,640 Speaker 3: one of the best receivers in the league. He became 432 00:19:32,680 --> 00:19:35,639 Speaker 3: a full time starter, like in week thirteen of his 433 00:19:35,880 --> 00:19:39,400 Speaker 3: rookie season. He's become their like their go to guy. 434 00:19:39,800 --> 00:19:43,280 Speaker 3: He's had five receptions, one touchdown, Three first downs of 435 00:19:43,359 --> 00:19:46,680 Speaker 3: his five receptions were first down. His body control, his 436 00:19:46,800 --> 00:19:50,440 Speaker 3: balances impressive. He's a dynamic playmaker in every sense of 437 00:19:50,520 --> 00:19:52,800 Speaker 3: the word. You can play him inside, you can play 438 00:19:52,840 --> 00:19:56,720 Speaker 3: him outside. He gets and you get productive plays for 439 00:19:56,880 --> 00:19:59,920 Speaker 3: him as you're going along there. There's a real looseness 440 00:20:00,080 --> 00:20:01,960 Speaker 3: to his game and the way he moves. You know 441 00:20:02,000 --> 00:20:04,119 Speaker 3: when you watch him, there's not any tightness to him. 442 00:20:04,160 --> 00:20:06,520 Speaker 3: He's one of those guys that's he kind of flows 443 00:20:06,680 --> 00:20:08,440 Speaker 3: and you know when he's running routes and you have 444 00:20:08,560 --> 00:20:11,320 Speaker 3: to be careful where he'll send you one way with 445 00:20:11,720 --> 00:20:15,200 Speaker 3: like a little move and then get back the other 446 00:20:15,320 --> 00:20:18,760 Speaker 3: way and create that separation. So when you feel like 447 00:20:18,840 --> 00:20:21,720 Speaker 3: you got him covered, he finds ways to come up 448 00:20:21,760 --> 00:20:24,160 Speaker 3: with the ball. So I think he would have really 449 00:20:24,320 --> 00:20:27,199 Speaker 3: really benefited from Aaron Rodgers as his quarterback. I think 450 00:20:27,359 --> 00:20:30,159 Speaker 3: Rogers would have just abul have had a great combination together. 451 00:20:30,600 --> 00:20:33,399 Speaker 3: But that's not the case anymore. The next guy you 452 00:20:33,520 --> 00:20:35,399 Speaker 3: kind of need to worry about is Alan Lazar. We 453 00:20:35,480 --> 00:20:37,800 Speaker 3: all know Alan Lazarre from the days of when he 454 00:20:37,960 --> 00:20:41,880 Speaker 3: was with the Packers. He's got this sizeable catch radius 455 00:20:41,960 --> 00:20:43,920 Speaker 3: due to his length. So he's one of these real 456 00:20:44,080 --> 00:20:46,480 Speaker 3: long guys and he's always kind of making plays, but 457 00:20:47,119 --> 00:20:49,720 Speaker 3: he can win fifty to fifty balls and two of 458 00:20:49,800 --> 00:20:53,080 Speaker 3: his four receptions resulted in first downs against the Bills 459 00:20:53,600 --> 00:20:55,880 Speaker 3: as well. So those are the guys that you kind 460 00:20:55,880 --> 00:20:59,159 Speaker 3: of need to worry about when you focus in on 461 00:20:59,280 --> 00:21:00,959 Speaker 3: what the Jets are trying to do. I think their 462 00:21:01,040 --> 00:21:04,760 Speaker 3: quarterback could be fooled in some things, maybe some coverage 463 00:21:04,800 --> 00:21:07,680 Speaker 3: things could kind of make him feel like he's got 464 00:21:07,760 --> 00:21:10,399 Speaker 3: the right read, but then you do something different and 465 00:21:10,520 --> 00:21:13,240 Speaker 3: it causes him to turn over the ball. So I 466 00:21:13,280 --> 00:21:14,920 Speaker 3: think that's a good thing that he's playing in the 467 00:21:14,960 --> 00:21:16,760 Speaker 3: game and not Aaron Rodgers, to be honest with it. 468 00:21:17,800 --> 00:21:21,000 Speaker 8: And in this morning's drop of the Science Lab Week two, 469 00:21:21,280 --> 00:21:24,840 Speaker 8: I focused in on Zach Wilson and I talked about it, 470 00:21:24,960 --> 00:21:27,640 Speaker 8: you know, briefly in the lab Coat this past Tuesday, 471 00:21:27,800 --> 00:21:31,119 Speaker 8: and how he performs poorly under duress. One out of 472 00:21:31,160 --> 00:21:33,200 Speaker 8: every four of his throws are bad throws when you 473 00:21:33,320 --> 00:21:37,040 Speaker 8: pressure him. Forty percent of the playbook in Zach Wilson's 474 00:21:37,080 --> 00:21:39,520 Speaker 8: career has been play action that goes to what Brian 475 00:21:39,640 --> 00:21:42,080 Speaker 8: is saying, you have to eliminate and at least try 476 00:21:42,119 --> 00:21:45,480 Speaker 8: to contain Breese Hall and Dalvin Cook when it comes 477 00:21:45,480 --> 00:21:47,840 Speaker 8: to that offensive line. We talk about Brandon Cook's dealing 478 00:21:47,880 --> 00:21:49,600 Speaker 8: with you know a little bit of an injury, Cowboys 479 00:21:49,680 --> 00:21:52,720 Speaker 8: dealing with some injuries. Well, Dwayne Brown Macai be Beckedon 480 00:21:52,800 --> 00:21:55,920 Speaker 8: both popped up on the Jets' injury report yesterday with 481 00:21:56,040 --> 00:21:59,240 Speaker 8: a shoulder and a knee injury, respectively. So those guys 482 00:21:59,240 --> 00:22:02,560 Speaker 8: aren't healthy, and those guys being less than one hundred 483 00:22:02,560 --> 00:22:07,639 Speaker 8: percent already being already struggling against the pass rush for 484 00:22:07,840 --> 00:22:09,760 Speaker 8: a Buffalo Bill's team, and then now you're going up 485 00:22:09,760 --> 00:22:12,960 Speaker 8: against a much better pass rush, and the Cowboys name 486 00:22:13,000 --> 00:22:16,280 Speaker 8: of the game is to stop the run, beat up 487 00:22:16,320 --> 00:22:18,200 Speaker 8: on that, beat up on those guys in the trenches, 488 00:22:18,480 --> 00:22:21,160 Speaker 8: and really make Zach Wilson turn him into Sam Darnould 489 00:22:21,160 --> 00:22:22,840 Speaker 8: Allow twenty nineteen against the Patriots. 490 00:22:22,840 --> 00:22:24,840 Speaker 5: Have him out there seeing ghosts because. 491 00:22:24,720 --> 00:22:28,040 Speaker 8: He is a young guy going against a veteran defensive coordinator, 492 00:22:28,119 --> 00:22:31,879 Speaker 8: going against veteran impact guys on defense. You can have 493 00:22:32,040 --> 00:22:34,320 Speaker 8: him out there seeing apparitions thinking okay, well, this is 494 00:22:34,400 --> 00:22:36,440 Speaker 8: the read, this is the coverage. And because he does 495 00:22:36,520 --> 00:22:38,760 Speaker 8: not progress well, he doesn't go through his progressions. Well, 496 00:22:38,920 --> 00:22:42,040 Speaker 8: that's why he is so poor under Durest. Because he's 497 00:22:42,080 --> 00:22:44,520 Speaker 8: already a guy who doesn't read his second and third 498 00:22:44,600 --> 00:22:46,840 Speaker 8: checkdown well, So if you force him into those, you're 499 00:22:46,840 --> 00:22:48,600 Speaker 8: going to force him to give that ball away and 500 00:22:48,680 --> 00:22:50,000 Speaker 8: then come the takeaway game. 501 00:22:50,240 --> 00:22:53,000 Speaker 7: So let's talk about's dive into this a little bit. 502 00:22:53,080 --> 00:22:55,200 Speaker 7: I want to talk specifically about those running backs for 503 00:22:55,240 --> 00:22:59,240 Speaker 7: a second, Reese Hall last week, he was the better 504 00:22:59,320 --> 00:23:02,080 Speaker 7: of the two. Ten carries one hundred and twenty seven. 505 00:23:02,000 --> 00:23:05,120 Speaker 3: Yards, had a long run, very long run. 506 00:23:05,200 --> 00:23:08,240 Speaker 7: Yeah, Dalvin Cook at thirteen carries for thirty three yards, 507 00:23:08,359 --> 00:23:09,480 Speaker 7: not as much production. 508 00:23:09,280 --> 00:23:10,600 Speaker 5: But they gave him a little bit more. 509 00:23:11,280 --> 00:23:14,200 Speaker 7: Do you think that part of the split there is 510 00:23:14,240 --> 00:23:16,680 Speaker 7: about the fact that they're easing Breeze haul back from 511 00:23:17,119 --> 00:23:20,320 Speaker 7: the season ending injury a year ago as opposed to 512 00:23:20,600 --> 00:23:22,600 Speaker 7: this week where maybe they ram him up a little 513 00:23:22,600 --> 00:23:25,000 Speaker 7: bit more. Because Resol really scares me because not only 514 00:23:25,119 --> 00:23:27,159 Speaker 7: is he a good running back, he has that speed 515 00:23:27,320 --> 00:23:29,359 Speaker 7: that he can go. He can go the distance on 516 00:23:29,520 --> 00:23:33,000 Speaker 7: any particular play. Do you think he'll get more opportunities 517 00:23:33,040 --> 00:23:35,040 Speaker 7: this week against the Cowboys than maybe they gave him 518 00:23:35,080 --> 00:23:35,440 Speaker 7: last week. 519 00:23:35,520 --> 00:23:37,600 Speaker 3: I feel like that they're going to continue to play 520 00:23:37,680 --> 00:23:41,320 Speaker 3: with both backs. I feel like that they the numbers. 521 00:23:42,040 --> 00:23:45,440 Speaker 3: What I saw with the way that they ran the 522 00:23:45,520 --> 00:23:48,879 Speaker 3: football and with Dalvin Cook. Dalvin Cook is and we 523 00:23:49,000 --> 00:23:51,200 Speaker 3: remember Dalvin Cook last year in the game in Minnesota. 524 00:23:51,200 --> 00:23:54,480 Speaker 3: It was an absolute disaster for the Vikings offense. But 525 00:23:54,640 --> 00:23:57,160 Speaker 3: Dalvin Cook, I think average almost seven yards of carry 526 00:23:57,240 --> 00:24:00,600 Speaker 3: last last time against the Cowboys run and Dalvin Cook 527 00:24:00,680 --> 00:24:04,560 Speaker 3: scares me because there's that physical side. He's one of 528 00:24:04,560 --> 00:24:07,240 Speaker 3: those guys. They you handle the ball, he hits you, 529 00:24:07,560 --> 00:24:10,160 Speaker 3: he hits you again. He seems to kind of get 530 00:24:10,320 --> 00:24:13,560 Speaker 3: better as that goes on. So don't I don't see 531 00:24:14,880 --> 00:24:17,960 Speaker 3: with the situation with Hall. As good as Hall was 532 00:24:18,680 --> 00:24:21,040 Speaker 3: last year until he hurt his knee. I just feel 533 00:24:21,080 --> 00:24:23,919 Speaker 3: like that they're committed to playing two guys because they 534 00:24:23,960 --> 00:24:26,240 Speaker 3: could throw the ball to either. And this is the 535 00:24:26,359 --> 00:24:29,800 Speaker 3: thing that that this is going to help Zach Wilson, 536 00:24:29,840 --> 00:24:33,080 Speaker 3: in my opinion. The fact of just saying, okay, let's 537 00:24:33,119 --> 00:24:35,760 Speaker 3: split the load between because they're they're going to have 538 00:24:35,960 --> 00:24:38,320 Speaker 3: to run the football in this game. I just don't 539 00:24:38,400 --> 00:24:40,040 Speaker 3: see like it in this saying they're Okay, we're going 540 00:24:40,119 --> 00:24:43,080 Speaker 3: to load up with Brice Hall here. I think it's 541 00:24:43,119 --> 00:24:46,000 Speaker 3: going to be like Briess, you know, maybe it's two 542 00:24:46,160 --> 00:24:48,720 Speaker 3: three plays and then it's Dalvin Cook two three plays 543 00:24:48,840 --> 00:24:50,560 Speaker 3: and then it's back that. You know, I think they're 544 00:24:50,600 --> 00:24:52,680 Speaker 3: going to try and just keep the snap count that 545 00:24:52,840 --> 00:24:56,520 Speaker 3: way because if they if they they're gonna if they 546 00:24:56,600 --> 00:24:58,879 Speaker 3: go into the season now with Zach Wilson and it 547 00:24:59,000 --> 00:25:00,760 Speaker 3: is going to be his his team the whole way, 548 00:25:01,520 --> 00:25:05,120 Speaker 3: they're gonna just completely destroy Brice Hall by week seven 549 00:25:05,200 --> 00:25:07,600 Speaker 3: if they just yelled. So, I think the carries are 550 00:25:07,680 --> 00:25:10,439 Speaker 3: still gonna the bound even when the Giants or excuse 551 00:25:10,480 --> 00:25:13,400 Speaker 3: the Jets leave here, I think you'll see the carries 552 00:25:13,440 --> 00:25:16,360 Speaker 3: balance because that you just don't want to wear out 553 00:25:16,720 --> 00:25:19,920 Speaker 3: Brice Hall to the point where he's not any good 554 00:25:19,960 --> 00:25:21,560 Speaker 3: in week ten or week eleven for you. 555 00:25:21,760 --> 00:25:25,640 Speaker 8: Yeah, they didn't sign Dalvin Cook to not utilize Dalvin Cook, 556 00:25:25,760 --> 00:25:28,160 Speaker 8: and obviously that would have been the free agency conversation. 557 00:25:28,240 --> 00:25:30,600 Speaker 8: Dalvin Cook wants to play, and the conversation would have been, 558 00:25:30,640 --> 00:25:31,960 Speaker 8: we're going to play. It's going to be more of 559 00:25:32,000 --> 00:25:34,200 Speaker 8: a two back system, which for the most part you've 560 00:25:34,200 --> 00:25:37,080 Speaker 8: seen the NFL kind of going to nowadays more than 561 00:25:37,119 --> 00:25:40,000 Speaker 8: that true bell cow back. I mean, you know, Ezekiel 562 00:25:40,000 --> 00:25:42,440 Speaker 8: Elliott and Tony Pollard for the past few seasons have 563 00:25:42,600 --> 00:25:44,520 Speaker 8: been that for the Cowboys, So I think that's what 564 00:25:44,640 --> 00:25:46,520 Speaker 8: Tobrin's point. I think that's what the Jets are looking 565 00:25:46,600 --> 00:25:48,639 Speaker 8: to build over the course of the season. So I 566 00:25:48,680 --> 00:25:51,800 Speaker 8: think it'll be a pretty even split for the most part. 567 00:25:52,040 --> 00:25:54,560 Speaker 8: Brece Hall was more explosive in the touches he got 568 00:25:55,160 --> 00:25:59,040 Speaker 8: last week. Dalvin Cook got I think ten plus more reps, 569 00:25:59,760 --> 00:26:01,760 Speaker 8: but you still see it hover around that fifty to 570 00:26:01,800 --> 00:26:02,400 Speaker 8: fifty mark. 571 00:26:02,440 --> 00:26:03,919 Speaker 3: As far as red count is concerned. 572 00:26:04,280 --> 00:26:06,760 Speaker 7: When you go back to last week's game against the Giants, 573 00:26:07,160 --> 00:26:10,400 Speaker 7: what did you guys specifically see in the running game 574 00:26:10,440 --> 00:26:13,159 Speaker 7: in that first series that the Giants had when they 575 00:26:13,200 --> 00:26:14,720 Speaker 7: had so much success on the ground, what did you 576 00:26:14,800 --> 00:26:17,120 Speaker 7: see in that drive that that maybe they were having 577 00:26:17,200 --> 00:26:20,240 Speaker 7: success with that maybe Dallas is going to have to figure. 578 00:26:20,000 --> 00:26:22,240 Speaker 3: Out how Sure, Yeah, if you go back and really watch, 579 00:26:22,359 --> 00:26:25,639 Speaker 3: like guys like Clark and others were having problems, they 580 00:26:25,680 --> 00:26:28,200 Speaker 3: were catching blocks, you know, and then and and the 581 00:26:28,440 --> 00:26:30,840 Speaker 3: and the Giants did a really good job of coming 582 00:26:30,920 --> 00:26:34,119 Speaker 3: off the ball and getting into them, and then you know, 583 00:26:34,320 --> 00:26:37,359 Speaker 3: Dallas not playing off those blocks. So you got guys, 584 00:26:37,400 --> 00:26:39,680 Speaker 3: so the linebackers you yeah, a lot. Yeah, I thought 585 00:26:39,720 --> 00:26:41,480 Speaker 3: there was a couple of times so Clark Well, Clark 586 00:26:41,520 --> 00:26:43,840 Speaker 3: overran one that ended up being a big But the 587 00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:48,680 Speaker 3: quarterback runs hurt them more. With with when you looked 588 00:26:48,680 --> 00:26:51,280 Speaker 3: at what Saquon Barkley was, it was a five yard 589 00:26:51,400 --> 00:26:53,840 Speaker 3: carry five, you know that kind of the quarterback runs 590 00:26:53,880 --> 00:26:56,480 Speaker 3: were the ones to me that were pretty alarming. But 591 00:26:56,680 --> 00:26:58,920 Speaker 3: when you looked at when you looked at what with 592 00:26:59,080 --> 00:27:02,240 Speaker 3: Barkley when he carried the ball, to me, that was 593 00:27:02,320 --> 00:27:07,480 Speaker 3: when Dallas really struggled of not the disengage. When Dallas 594 00:27:07,600 --> 00:27:11,440 Speaker 3: is bad against the run, their guys get get caught 595 00:27:11,960 --> 00:27:15,800 Speaker 3: and then turned and now it creates these gaps and 596 00:27:15,920 --> 00:27:18,520 Speaker 3: then you get when they when and then all of 597 00:27:18,560 --> 00:27:21,520 Speaker 3: a sudden, linemen are up on second level. And that's 598 00:27:21,560 --> 00:27:23,159 Speaker 3: the problem we were talking about with the Jets a 599 00:27:23,200 --> 00:27:25,840 Speaker 3: little bit here. You know, their center wasn't as good, 600 00:27:26,359 --> 00:27:28,720 Speaker 3: but when they got when they with their combinations the 601 00:27:28,800 --> 00:27:31,480 Speaker 3: way they blocked, they were able to get some hats 602 00:27:31,520 --> 00:27:35,000 Speaker 3: on hats and then you know, create space. And that's 603 00:27:35,040 --> 00:27:37,360 Speaker 3: what the Giants were able to do in that early 604 00:27:37,440 --> 00:27:41,280 Speaker 3: in that game, is the double team blocks and then 605 00:27:41,320 --> 00:27:43,920 Speaker 3: getting somebody to the second level and then being able 606 00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:46,560 Speaker 3: to attack where they blocked. There was there was a 607 00:27:46,640 --> 00:27:48,600 Speaker 3: couple of times there where I felt like the Giants 608 00:27:48,640 --> 00:27:51,560 Speaker 3: could have really gashed the Cowboys pretty well. There was 609 00:27:51,600 --> 00:27:54,679 Speaker 3: a tackle one of the safeties of who came up 610 00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:57,240 Speaker 3: and tackled Barkley on a play that could have been 611 00:27:57,480 --> 00:28:02,479 Speaker 3: just huge. I thought it was one. I wasn't sure 612 00:28:02,520 --> 00:28:05,080 Speaker 3: if it was Himbercurse, but I just remember it just 613 00:28:05,240 --> 00:28:08,480 Speaker 3: hitting so fast and then having to get over there 614 00:28:08,560 --> 00:28:12,520 Speaker 3: and make the tackle. When Dallas is bad, they catch 615 00:28:12,680 --> 00:28:16,480 Speaker 3: blocks they've got they can't they can't just go toe 616 00:28:16,560 --> 00:28:19,000 Speaker 3: to toe. They're kind of built to play more on 617 00:28:19,080 --> 00:28:22,320 Speaker 3: the move. With the exception of your two inside guys. 618 00:28:22,760 --> 00:28:25,159 Speaker 3: You know what people think. People think that if you 619 00:28:25,359 --> 00:28:29,200 Speaker 3: just put Mazy and Hankins in there together, that it's 620 00:28:29,280 --> 00:28:33,119 Speaker 3: gonna get cures running game stuff. It really doesn't always 621 00:28:33,160 --> 00:28:35,320 Speaker 3: work that way. What do teams do when they play 622 00:28:35,320 --> 00:28:38,240 Speaker 3: against Vidave and others. They run the ball to the outside, 623 00:28:38,240 --> 00:28:41,040 Speaker 3: They run the edge nobody. I mean, you don't be 624 00:28:41,240 --> 00:28:44,520 Speaker 3: stupid enough to sit there and run. Think you're gonna run. Yeah, 625 00:28:44,600 --> 00:28:48,320 Speaker 3: I mean if your center can't hold up against Hankins, 626 00:28:48,720 --> 00:28:52,520 Speaker 3: or your center can't hold up against Mazzie Smith because 627 00:28:52,680 --> 00:28:55,480 Speaker 3: or your guards can't hold up you're not going to 628 00:28:55,640 --> 00:28:58,640 Speaker 3: run the ball inside. I mean, having those big body 629 00:28:58,720 --> 00:29:02,000 Speaker 3: guys inside great, But what did teams do? Teams become 630 00:29:02,120 --> 00:29:04,160 Speaker 3: creative with the way they run the ball. It's more, 631 00:29:04,840 --> 00:29:07,640 Speaker 3: especially with the Jets, it's down block, down, block, loop 632 00:29:07,720 --> 00:29:10,800 Speaker 3: guys around, trap guys. You know, if you get spacing 633 00:29:10,880 --> 00:29:13,160 Speaker 3: in there. You know, guy gets upfield, you trap him, 634 00:29:13,240 --> 00:29:14,360 Speaker 3: ball goes behind him. 635 00:29:14,800 --> 00:29:14,920 Speaker 9: You know. 636 00:29:15,520 --> 00:29:18,280 Speaker 3: This isn't like nineteen fifty eight anymore, where you just 637 00:29:18,440 --> 00:29:22,360 Speaker 3: hand the ball inside and just run. So having Mazy 638 00:29:23,000 --> 00:29:25,560 Speaker 3: and Hankins in there at the same time, yeah, good. 639 00:29:26,040 --> 00:29:30,400 Speaker 3: But also it's about it's also about having Tank play well. 640 00:29:30,480 --> 00:29:33,360 Speaker 3: It's about Vanderesh playing well. It's about Clark playing well. 641 00:29:33,600 --> 00:29:36,040 Speaker 3: It's about one of those safety stepping up and playing well. 642 00:29:36,520 --> 00:29:40,360 Speaker 3: You can't let guys block you if you want to 643 00:29:40,400 --> 00:29:42,280 Speaker 3: be good in the running game. And that's when the 644 00:29:42,320 --> 00:29:45,080 Speaker 3: Cowboys are bad at it. They don't get off blocks 645 00:29:45,120 --> 00:29:45,600 Speaker 3: well enough. 646 00:29:45,920 --> 00:29:47,479 Speaker 8: I feel like that the New York Jets are going 647 00:29:47,520 --> 00:29:49,959 Speaker 8: to look at that film against that the Cowboys did 648 00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:52,680 Speaker 8: against the New York Giants and some of those scripted 649 00:29:52,720 --> 00:29:55,800 Speaker 8: plays they're probably going to borrow as far as quarterback mobility, 650 00:29:55,840 --> 00:29:58,280 Speaker 8: because you look at the runs that Jones was kind 651 00:29:58,280 --> 00:30:01,320 Speaker 8: of rattling off against the Cowboys were very decisive runs. 652 00:30:01,360 --> 00:30:04,040 Speaker 8: Those weren't checkdowns and take off that was called Those 653 00:30:04,080 --> 00:30:06,160 Speaker 8: were called plays. And then you go against a guy 654 00:30:06,240 --> 00:30:09,240 Speaker 8: like Zach Wilson who is just not good in the 655 00:30:09,280 --> 00:30:11,720 Speaker 8: passing game, particularly under the wrist, but when he takes 656 00:30:11,760 --> 00:30:13,960 Speaker 8: off in runs he averages nine yards a game. So 657 00:30:14,160 --> 00:30:16,520 Speaker 8: I think the Jets are going to test the Cowboys 658 00:30:16,600 --> 00:30:18,720 Speaker 8: and try to put them on their heels with that first, 659 00:30:19,080 --> 00:30:21,800 Speaker 8: mixing in a healthy dose of Breee and Cooks and 660 00:30:21,960 --> 00:30:25,120 Speaker 8: cook I should say, but if you can neutralize that, 661 00:30:25,600 --> 00:30:27,959 Speaker 8: and if you're the Cowboys, you also you're looking at 662 00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:30,000 Speaker 8: that Versus Giants film and you're saying, well, what went 663 00:30:30,080 --> 00:30:32,120 Speaker 8: wrong when Daniel Jones went off? How did we get 664 00:30:32,160 --> 00:30:33,960 Speaker 8: stuck on? What block did we get stuck on? And 665 00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:35,960 Speaker 8: then that way you can improve. So if the Jets 666 00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:38,360 Speaker 8: try to deploy that, you have an answer for they would. 667 00:30:38,600 --> 00:30:40,840 Speaker 3: If I'm the Jets, I would rather die in the 668 00:30:40,920 --> 00:30:43,880 Speaker 3: running game than die throwing the ball. I'm not gonna 669 00:30:43,920 --> 00:30:45,719 Speaker 3: I'm not gonna at least I'm not gonna tee off 670 00:30:45,720 --> 00:30:47,400 Speaker 3: on a QUI I'm not gonna let you tee off 671 00:30:47,400 --> 00:30:49,719 Speaker 3: my quarterback. This is the only one I've really got left. Yep, 672 00:30:49,880 --> 00:30:51,480 Speaker 3: you know I'm not going to let you. The one 673 00:30:51,600 --> 00:30:55,760 Speaker 3: strength the Cowboys has is cover and rush. The one 674 00:30:55,800 --> 00:30:58,440 Speaker 3: thing that they're still trying to prove is they could 675 00:30:58,440 --> 00:31:00,280 Speaker 3: shut people down from running the football. 676 00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:01,920 Speaker 7: Which Mike mc party talked about that this morning is 677 00:31:01,960 --> 00:31:03,960 Speaker 7: press conference. He said, we better be comfortable with that, 678 00:31:04,320 --> 00:31:06,440 Speaker 7: stopping the run and doing it over and over and 679 00:31:06,520 --> 00:31:08,920 Speaker 7: over again, because every team that they play, right is 680 00:31:08,960 --> 00:31:10,680 Speaker 7: probably going to come in with the same game plan, 681 00:31:10,920 --> 00:31:11,880 Speaker 7: run the ball. 682 00:31:12,080 --> 00:31:12,840 Speaker 3: Yeah, this is a. 683 00:31:12,840 --> 00:31:16,200 Speaker 8: Perfect game to use the score board as the eleventh defender, right, 684 00:31:16,280 --> 00:31:19,080 Speaker 8: because if the Jets are going to run, run, run, okay, 685 00:31:19,200 --> 00:31:22,440 Speaker 8: well be it defensive touchdown and or special teams touchdown 686 00:31:22,520 --> 00:31:24,440 Speaker 8: and or the offense getting off to a fast start 687 00:31:24,480 --> 00:31:26,400 Speaker 8: and finding pay dirt. If you start to run up 688 00:31:26,400 --> 00:31:28,040 Speaker 8: the score a little bit and it becomes a two 689 00:31:28,200 --> 00:31:29,040 Speaker 8: possession game. 690 00:31:28,960 --> 00:31:31,120 Speaker 3: You take them out. Take There you go. Now they 691 00:31:31,200 --> 00:31:32,840 Speaker 3: can't run the ball. There you go. 692 00:31:33,400 --> 00:31:34,920 Speaker 5: All right, We're going to take our final break. We 693 00:31:35,000 --> 00:31:35,560 Speaker 5: we'll come back. 694 00:31:35,840 --> 00:31:37,480 Speaker 7: And I got more questions for these guys on the 695 00:31:37,560 --> 00:31:40,120 Speaker 7: matchup Cowboys defense versus Jets offense. 696 00:31:40,160 --> 00:31:41,800 Speaker 5: We'll be back Dallas Cowboys dot com Radio. 697 00:31:43,560 --> 00:31:45,240 Speaker 10: Todd thought it would be secure to jog in the 698 00:31:45,320 --> 00:31:48,240 Speaker 10: cheatah Savannah. 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Probably should 745 00:34:13,040 --> 00:34:14,840 Speaker 3: have read that before I read that. How about that? 746 00:34:15,239 --> 00:34:18,280 Speaker 3: But go see that. That's that tour, that's the archives stuff. 747 00:34:18,120 --> 00:34:19,120 Speaker 5: Right, Yeah, it's part of the tour. 748 00:34:19,280 --> 00:34:21,680 Speaker 3: That's great. Yeah, go check that out. That's cool. 749 00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:24,120 Speaker 7: All right, here we go, final segment of the break 750 00:34:24,400 --> 00:34:28,560 Speaker 7: Let's talk Cowboys defense versus Jets offense. Give me an 751 00:34:28,600 --> 00:34:31,239 Speaker 7: assessment on Mazzie Smith. This last game you mentioned in 752 00:34:31,320 --> 00:34:33,200 Speaker 7: the last segment, Brian, how do you think he played 753 00:34:33,239 --> 00:34:36,000 Speaker 7: this last game and whatever snaps he actually got? 754 00:34:36,120 --> 00:34:38,120 Speaker 3: You know what, I thought Mozzi Smith was better than 755 00:34:38,160 --> 00:34:40,840 Speaker 3: what he'd shown in the preseason, and I feel like 756 00:34:40,920 --> 00:34:45,080 Speaker 3: that there's there's he's starting to understand what his responsibility 757 00:34:45,200 --> 00:34:49,239 Speaker 3: is he understands that he's not playing against Purdue or 758 00:34:49,320 --> 00:34:52,600 Speaker 3: Indiana or Michigan State over there. He's playing in NFL games. 759 00:34:53,080 --> 00:34:55,200 Speaker 3: And if you don't play with quickness and you don't 760 00:34:55,239 --> 00:34:58,320 Speaker 3: get off the ball, then you're going to get blocked. 761 00:34:58,400 --> 00:35:01,080 Speaker 3: These these linemen are good enough enough to be able 762 00:35:01,120 --> 00:35:04,800 Speaker 3: to hook you, to turn you. Uh, they'll play with leverage, 763 00:35:05,400 --> 00:35:07,919 Speaker 3: you know. But he's starting to understand there are times 764 00:35:07,960 --> 00:35:10,920 Speaker 3: where when he is in when he has problems, he 765 00:35:11,000 --> 00:35:12,279 Speaker 3: doesn't get off the ball quick enough. 766 00:35:12,320 --> 00:35:16,120 Speaker 5: You see everybody else go ye and especially specific. 767 00:35:16,239 --> 00:35:19,279 Speaker 3: Yeah, but it was yeah, but it was better than 768 00:35:19,400 --> 00:35:21,839 Speaker 3: what it like. There were plays in the preseason where 769 00:35:21,960 --> 00:35:25,720 Speaker 3: it was down after down after down where you're watching 770 00:35:25,760 --> 00:35:30,239 Speaker 3: and it's it's especially it's especially noticeable when you play 771 00:35:30,320 --> 00:35:33,680 Speaker 3: next to Osa, who is like standing on their backfield 772 00:35:33,719 --> 00:35:35,640 Speaker 3: by the time you're going to come off the ball there. 773 00:35:35,760 --> 00:35:40,360 Speaker 3: So he's got to realize movement and initial quickness is 774 00:35:40,480 --> 00:35:43,279 Speaker 3: more important to him than power. And the minute he 775 00:35:43,400 --> 00:35:46,480 Speaker 3: figures out that when he gets off the ball, teams 776 00:35:46,520 --> 00:35:49,640 Speaker 3: will have trouble blocking him because of his size and power. 777 00:35:50,280 --> 00:35:52,960 Speaker 3: But he's he's it's it was better. It was better, 778 00:35:53,000 --> 00:35:55,800 Speaker 3: And I'm not chilling for the kid or chilling for 779 00:35:55,920 --> 00:35:59,240 Speaker 3: the for the the scouting department. But you can honestly 780 00:35:59,360 --> 00:36:02,719 Speaker 3: see there was a little bit better getting off the ball. 781 00:36:03,400 --> 00:36:04,680 Speaker 3: Is that was chilly? Chilly? 782 00:36:05,840 --> 00:36:06,320 Speaker 2: Like a shield? 783 00:36:06,480 --> 00:36:10,640 Speaker 3: Well, no, I'm covering for him, covering for covering. 784 00:36:10,840 --> 00:36:16,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, so like a shield, you're shielding, covering. 785 00:36:16,600 --> 00:36:16,759 Speaker 3: Yeah. 786 00:36:16,800 --> 00:36:19,520 Speaker 9: Okay, I just yeah, I don't know what you were saying, 787 00:36:19,719 --> 00:36:20,840 Speaker 9: but got it, thank you. 788 00:36:23,560 --> 00:36:26,160 Speaker 7: So I guess from that standpoint, and you mentioned it 789 00:36:26,200 --> 00:36:28,960 Speaker 7: that last segment, I think that we did see during 790 00:36:29,000 --> 00:36:31,600 Speaker 7: training camp there were times when the Cowboys did use 791 00:36:31,680 --> 00:36:35,200 Speaker 7: both mazi and and Hankins together. And I know what 792 00:36:35,280 --> 00:36:38,920 Speaker 7: you're saying, Like, it doesn't solve everything together. It does 793 00:36:39,000 --> 00:36:40,960 Speaker 7: make me wonder though, if if we might see that 794 00:36:41,080 --> 00:36:43,400 Speaker 7: more from the standpoint of as you said before, one 795 00:36:43,440 --> 00:36:44,960 Speaker 7: of the big issues there in the first in that 796 00:36:45,120 --> 00:36:48,800 Speaker 7: first drive was the linebackers were getting offensive linemen in 797 00:36:48,880 --> 00:36:49,319 Speaker 7: their laps. 798 00:36:49,320 --> 00:36:50,520 Speaker 5: They couldn't get off the blocks. 799 00:36:50,800 --> 00:36:52,759 Speaker 7: If you've got those two guys up front, does that 800 00:36:52,880 --> 00:36:56,040 Speaker 7: also now make them tie up those offensive linemen to 801 00:36:56,080 --> 00:36:58,080 Speaker 7: where those linebackers can float to the ball if they 802 00:36:58,120 --> 00:36:59,319 Speaker 7: are deciding to go to the Yeah. 803 00:36:59,320 --> 00:37:00,879 Speaker 3: But the thing about it it is those two guys 804 00:37:00,920 --> 00:37:03,680 Speaker 3: in front have to hold those those I mean to me, 805 00:37:03,800 --> 00:37:05,719 Speaker 3: if you stand there and just take a block, take 806 00:37:05,760 --> 00:37:08,560 Speaker 3: a block, and guys willize like, okay, we're in position, 807 00:37:08,800 --> 00:37:10,520 Speaker 3: and then they'll just go and hit and then go. 808 00:37:11,040 --> 00:37:12,520 Speaker 3: You know, they'll just like and it's not like a 809 00:37:12,640 --> 00:37:14,960 Speaker 3: hand check or something like that, but you just go 810 00:37:15,120 --> 00:37:16,920 Speaker 3: hip to hip and then bounce it and then go 811 00:37:17,719 --> 00:37:20,600 Speaker 3: knowing that, Okay, this guy's not gonna do anything like 812 00:37:20,719 --> 00:37:23,680 Speaker 3: if you try and double team, like say like OSA, 813 00:37:24,080 --> 00:37:26,759 Speaker 3: he's going to find a way to attack that He's 814 00:37:26,800 --> 00:37:29,080 Speaker 3: going to attack a shoulder or he's gonna get through 815 00:37:29,200 --> 00:37:31,759 Speaker 3: by the time you get or make it difficult for 816 00:37:31,880 --> 00:37:34,400 Speaker 3: you to double team. These bigger guys they kind of 817 00:37:34,440 --> 00:37:38,160 Speaker 3: stand up and take on. But then people realize like, okay, 818 00:37:38,200 --> 00:37:39,920 Speaker 3: they're not going to do anything other than just stand 819 00:37:40,000 --> 00:37:42,480 Speaker 3: there and then we'll take the guard and go ahead 820 00:37:42,520 --> 00:37:44,600 Speaker 3: and go up. Yeah, you know, so you have to 821 00:37:44,680 --> 00:37:47,439 Speaker 3: be you know, just if you're gonna if you're gonna 822 00:37:47,440 --> 00:37:51,280 Speaker 3: take on double teams, make sure you're on you're pushing 823 00:37:51,360 --> 00:37:53,560 Speaker 3: to get on the other side of the line of scrimmage, 824 00:37:53,719 --> 00:37:56,719 Speaker 3: because if you just stand straight up, you know, the 825 00:37:56,920 --> 00:37:59,440 Speaker 3: ball is still going to probably go to the outside. 826 00:37:59,600 --> 00:38:02,719 Speaker 3: You know, those linebackers are still going to run, you know, 827 00:38:02,880 --> 00:38:04,840 Speaker 3: to try and get to the ball. So to me, 828 00:38:05,040 --> 00:38:08,000 Speaker 3: it's more about, yeah, take on blocks, but take on 829 00:38:08,120 --> 00:38:10,239 Speaker 3: blocks on the other side of the line of scrimmage. 830 00:38:10,600 --> 00:38:13,360 Speaker 3: Don't take on blocks two yards on your side of 831 00:38:13,400 --> 00:38:14,200 Speaker 3: the line of scrimmage. 832 00:38:14,840 --> 00:38:17,120 Speaker 7: When you look at the tight ends from last week 833 00:38:17,760 --> 00:38:20,520 Speaker 7: we all talked about yesterday, they had some issues there 834 00:38:20,600 --> 00:38:23,160 Speaker 7: catching the ball. What do you evaluate from the standpoint 835 00:38:23,160 --> 00:38:24,040 Speaker 7: of their ability to block? 836 00:38:24,520 --> 00:38:27,320 Speaker 8: I loved it, I absolutely loved it. I mean, you know, 837 00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:31,239 Speaker 8: in the post Jason Whitten and now post Dalton Shuts era, 838 00:38:31,400 --> 00:38:33,839 Speaker 8: the question was with these young guys not could they 839 00:38:33,920 --> 00:38:36,000 Speaker 8: make plays. We saw them make plays with the ball 840 00:38:36,239 --> 00:38:39,160 Speaker 8: as pass catchers last year. The question was can they 841 00:38:39,400 --> 00:38:42,680 Speaker 8: upgrade the blocking Hindershot as an undrafted guy, he came in, 842 00:38:42,920 --> 00:38:46,000 Speaker 8: wasn't the best blocker in college, but he started to 843 00:38:46,040 --> 00:38:48,000 Speaker 8: make some strides and you see that in the game 844 00:38:48,120 --> 00:38:50,440 Speaker 8: like on Sunday against the Giants. Jake Ferguson was a 845 00:38:50,480 --> 00:38:54,040 Speaker 8: better blocker last year, especially coming out of school, but 846 00:38:54,320 --> 00:38:57,480 Speaker 8: he even upgraded over here. So while we can rightfully 847 00:38:57,560 --> 00:38:59,680 Speaker 8: say we need those guys to start catching the ball, 848 00:38:59,680 --> 00:39:01,960 Speaker 8: and Jay Ferguson didn't log any drops last year, so 849 00:39:02,600 --> 00:39:04,560 Speaker 8: I'm I'm just gonna go Millie Vanilli and blame it 850 00:39:04,640 --> 00:39:07,399 Speaker 8: on the rain. For Jake Ferguson, Hindershot has dropped some balls, 851 00:39:07,480 --> 00:39:09,239 Speaker 8: so you know he needs to show consistency in his 852 00:39:09,320 --> 00:39:12,239 Speaker 8: pass catching. But when it comes to blocking, I think 853 00:39:12,320 --> 00:39:14,359 Speaker 8: it was just a plus from those two guys. 854 00:39:14,680 --> 00:39:16,600 Speaker 3: That's a Grammy Award winning group. By the way. 855 00:39:18,239 --> 00:39:25,400 Speaker 9: Yeah, okay, I kind of my turn to talking about Okay, 856 00:39:25,640 --> 00:39:27,560 Speaker 9: let me speak. I forgot I had a voice, but 857 00:39:27,880 --> 00:39:31,319 Speaker 9: now I'm just kidding. I mean everything that you just said. 858 00:39:31,400 --> 00:39:35,480 Speaker 9: Patrick is Well said you talk about Luke's kommaker and 859 00:39:35,560 --> 00:39:38,080 Speaker 9: you were trying to figure out or we talked about 860 00:39:38,120 --> 00:39:41,400 Speaker 9: his ability to blog. That was one of his selling 861 00:39:41,560 --> 00:39:45,160 Speaker 9: points for the draft. He got drafted for that because 862 00:39:45,400 --> 00:39:49,440 Speaker 9: you had questions about can these tight ends block? And 863 00:39:49,520 --> 00:39:51,640 Speaker 9: that was the one thing that you were still missing 864 00:39:51,960 --> 00:39:54,200 Speaker 9: in that group and in the offense, especially when you 865 00:39:54,320 --> 00:39:57,600 Speaker 9: talk about injuries happening in the old line. You need 866 00:39:58,200 --> 00:40:01,160 Speaker 9: some extra help that can co men and block for you. 867 00:40:01,400 --> 00:40:04,960 Speaker 9: So kudos to them. They're done a great job, and 868 00:40:05,200 --> 00:40:08,439 Speaker 9: I believe such a short amount of time. I thought 869 00:40:08,719 --> 00:40:12,440 Speaker 9: it would take longer for us to start seeing that 870 00:40:12,880 --> 00:40:15,520 Speaker 9: part of the game progressed throughout the season. 871 00:40:15,680 --> 00:40:17,920 Speaker 2: They were able to present that present. 872 00:40:17,760 --> 00:40:20,879 Speaker 9: That right away in week one and to the point 873 00:40:20,920 --> 00:40:23,879 Speaker 9: where you're not needing to force or hurry a guy 874 00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:27,960 Speaker 9: like Luke Schoonmaker to get in the game to hopefully 875 00:40:28,440 --> 00:40:31,840 Speaker 9: help you balance out the game as far as I 876 00:40:31,960 --> 00:40:34,000 Speaker 9: come in and help you with the blocking, so you're 877 00:40:34,040 --> 00:40:36,520 Speaker 9: not needing to force that aspect now that these guys 878 00:40:36,600 --> 00:40:39,839 Speaker 9: are showing the improvement in that area of the game, 879 00:40:39,920 --> 00:40:40,840 Speaker 9: so that's really good for that. 880 00:40:40,920 --> 00:40:42,680 Speaker 3: There'll be a challenge this week to block the guys 881 00:40:42,719 --> 00:40:46,200 Speaker 3: that the Jets have. Though the John Franklin Myers is 882 00:40:46,200 --> 00:40:48,960 Speaker 3: a good player. We talked about Carl Lawson potentially playing 883 00:40:49,000 --> 00:40:51,080 Speaker 3: in this game. They play that I mentioned they play 884 00:40:51,160 --> 00:40:54,120 Speaker 3: without spacing with their what they call the wide nine 885 00:40:54,640 --> 00:40:57,600 Speaker 3: with the wide guys, So it'll be a little bit 886 00:40:57,640 --> 00:41:00,680 Speaker 3: more of a challenge for the guys to block because 887 00:41:00,680 --> 00:41:02,480 Speaker 3: I feel like there's a little bit better quality of 888 00:41:02,560 --> 00:41:04,719 Speaker 3: some of the some of the defensive ends. These guys 889 00:41:04,800 --> 00:41:06,200 Speaker 3: play the run really really well. 890 00:41:06,520 --> 00:41:08,520 Speaker 7: Is there any concern you guys have for the Dallas 891 00:41:08,600 --> 00:41:11,960 Speaker 7: defense getting gashed in the run game because they are 892 00:41:12,120 --> 00:41:15,320 Speaker 7: so eager to get after the quarterback, especially in a 893 00:41:15,360 --> 00:41:17,640 Speaker 7: game like this when you know that quarterback does not 894 00:41:17,800 --> 00:41:18,680 Speaker 7: do well with pressure. 895 00:41:19,440 --> 00:41:22,839 Speaker 8: I think they've shown more discipline that in that area 896 00:41:23,040 --> 00:41:25,080 Speaker 8: as far as knowing when to pin their ears back 897 00:41:25,200 --> 00:41:28,439 Speaker 8: and when to drop gears and be able to drop 898 00:41:28,520 --> 00:41:31,960 Speaker 8: back and say, okay, well off the snap, I'm on 899 00:41:32,120 --> 00:41:34,960 Speaker 8: full go, but oh recognize this is now a run 900 00:41:35,000 --> 00:41:37,120 Speaker 8: play to the edge, drop and then covering the flat. 901 00:41:37,200 --> 00:41:39,919 Speaker 8: I think they've done an exceptional job over the past 902 00:41:39,960 --> 00:41:41,640 Speaker 8: couple of years as they progress more and more in 903 00:41:41,719 --> 00:41:44,040 Speaker 8: dan Quinn's system and being able to go from top 904 00:41:44,120 --> 00:41:46,719 Speaker 8: gear and dropping down a couple of gears in real time. 905 00:41:47,080 --> 00:41:49,400 Speaker 8: So I mean, when you talk about talent like Breeze 906 00:41:49,400 --> 00:41:52,120 Speaker 8: Hall Delvin Cook, they're gonna get their plays. The question 907 00:41:52,360 --> 00:41:55,239 Speaker 8: is can the Cowboys limit the number of those big 908 00:41:55,320 --> 00:41:59,320 Speaker 8: plays that happen and bottle cap the size So you 909 00:41:59,360 --> 00:42:01,560 Speaker 8: don't want an eighty plus yard from Breeze Hall because 910 00:42:01,600 --> 00:42:03,520 Speaker 8: that can be a game changer depending on the situation. 911 00:42:03,680 --> 00:42:06,399 Speaker 8: But I've seen those guys the Cowboys defense in real time, 912 00:42:06,480 --> 00:42:09,440 Speaker 8: especially guys like Sam Williams who last year had only 913 00:42:09,520 --> 00:42:13,480 Speaker 8: one gear go eat. But this year he's already making 914 00:42:13,520 --> 00:42:15,600 Speaker 8: progress and improving his run defense, and a part of 915 00:42:15,640 --> 00:42:19,200 Speaker 8: that improvement is knowing when to recognize that, Hey, I 916 00:42:19,239 --> 00:42:22,080 Speaker 8: thought this was a past play pre snap, but I 917 00:42:22,160 --> 00:42:24,040 Speaker 8: recognized in real time this is now a run, and 918 00:42:24,040 --> 00:42:25,359 Speaker 8: he would drop down a couple gears. 919 00:42:25,440 --> 00:42:26,839 Speaker 3: So kudos to those guys. 920 00:42:26,880 --> 00:42:28,560 Speaker 8: So I'm not as worried about it as I was 921 00:42:28,680 --> 00:42:32,319 Speaker 8: in say twenty twenty one or twenty twenty specifically. 922 00:42:32,320 --> 00:42:36,320 Speaker 9: Well, in the second segment, I think, if I remember correctly, 923 00:42:36,400 --> 00:42:40,040 Speaker 9: you mentioned something about Wilson averaging about ninety yards per 924 00:42:40,200 --> 00:42:43,320 Speaker 9: run and Brian you were talking, and you've mentioned it 925 00:42:43,360 --> 00:42:47,200 Speaker 9: too as far as like the Jets possibly taken last 926 00:42:47,239 --> 00:42:50,600 Speaker 9: week's film and them looking specifically at that first series 927 00:42:50,640 --> 00:42:53,719 Speaker 9: and how the Giants were successful in that first in 928 00:42:53,800 --> 00:42:57,560 Speaker 9: those first drives. Do you feel, though, because you mentioned Brian, 929 00:42:57,800 --> 00:43:02,759 Speaker 9: how they would be in their quarterback but looking at 930 00:43:03,200 --> 00:43:06,439 Speaker 9: again to the opposite of that that the running game 931 00:43:06,560 --> 00:43:09,719 Speaker 9: plus a mobile quarterback is kind of what is the 932 00:43:09,840 --> 00:43:13,800 Speaker 9: weak length for this Cowboys defense? Do you feel that 933 00:43:13,960 --> 00:43:17,279 Speaker 9: they would show some confidence or that a guy like 934 00:43:17,400 --> 00:43:20,759 Speaker 9: Wilson would have some confidence to take off with the 935 00:43:20,840 --> 00:43:22,560 Speaker 9: ball and try those Sure. 936 00:43:22,680 --> 00:43:24,759 Speaker 3: I mean, that's the thing that to me, especially if 937 00:43:24,760 --> 00:43:28,160 Speaker 3: you're well, if they're if the Cowboys are so willing 938 00:43:28,200 --> 00:43:30,480 Speaker 3: to get up the field, if you're willing to create 939 00:43:30,800 --> 00:43:33,880 Speaker 3: you know, lanes, you know rush lanes and stuff like that, 940 00:43:34,000 --> 00:43:35,759 Speaker 3: if you're able to you know, the twist games and 941 00:43:35,800 --> 00:43:38,279 Speaker 3: stuff like that, maybe you get two guys that get 942 00:43:38,400 --> 00:43:40,279 Speaker 3: blocked together and all of a sudden, there's a lane 943 00:43:40,320 --> 00:43:43,319 Speaker 3: to run. Yeah. Absolutely, I could see Wilson just taking 944 00:43:43,360 --> 00:43:45,200 Speaker 3: off and running with the ball. The biggest fear of 945 00:43:45,200 --> 00:43:48,480 Speaker 3: the Cowboys have is that teams will run the football 946 00:43:48,520 --> 00:43:51,240 Speaker 3: on them. That's the biggest fear because what will happen 947 00:43:51,400 --> 00:43:54,279 Speaker 3: is all that pass rush stuff that they do will 948 00:43:54,360 --> 00:43:57,120 Speaker 3: not matter. If teams can move the ball by just 949 00:43:57,200 --> 00:44:00,399 Speaker 3: running the ball. But they could also where you down 950 00:44:01,080 --> 00:44:03,440 Speaker 3: running the football and all of a sudden, now you're 951 00:44:03,520 --> 00:44:07,600 Speaker 3: not so not so anxious to go and rush the 952 00:44:07,680 --> 00:44:10,520 Speaker 3: passer because you're thinking, okay, here comes a run, and 953 00:44:10,640 --> 00:44:13,640 Speaker 3: now you're playing like gear down, and you play gear down, 954 00:44:13,680 --> 00:44:15,440 Speaker 3: and all of a sudden, wait a minute, they go 955 00:44:15,520 --> 00:44:17,520 Speaker 3: play action on us, and they hit us over the top, 956 00:44:17,880 --> 00:44:19,759 Speaker 3: or they hit us with the tight end play or 957 00:44:19,800 --> 00:44:20,799 Speaker 3: they throw it to the back. 958 00:44:21,480 --> 00:44:25,880 Speaker 9: But knowing that you lost Rogers and you're only starting 959 00:44:25,960 --> 00:44:29,040 Speaker 9: week two, do you as a team go ahead and 960 00:44:29,160 --> 00:44:32,520 Speaker 9: give him that livery to be free to run, or 961 00:44:32,560 --> 00:44:34,319 Speaker 9: do you try to protect him a little bit more. 962 00:44:34,360 --> 00:44:36,239 Speaker 3: They protect him when he throw when they throw the ball, 963 00:44:36,320 --> 00:44:39,400 Speaker 3: they'll protect him with putting extra guys tight ends in 964 00:44:39,520 --> 00:44:43,600 Speaker 3: the game to allow again by spacing, to keep the 965 00:44:43,760 --> 00:44:46,520 Speaker 3: rushers off him, but they'll also keep those guys in. 966 00:44:46,600 --> 00:44:48,840 Speaker 3: They've kept tight ends in and kept it back in 967 00:44:49,360 --> 00:44:52,760 Speaker 3: and then just played with just two wide receivers running routes, 968 00:44:53,239 --> 00:44:56,279 Speaker 3: you know, So that's kind of to their game plan 969 00:44:56,520 --> 00:44:58,840 Speaker 3: is they feel like the best chance they have of 970 00:44:58,920 --> 00:45:01,400 Speaker 3: getting the ball out was to keep tight ends in 971 00:45:01,480 --> 00:45:03,600 Speaker 3: and keep it back in and then just try and 972 00:45:03,640 --> 00:45:05,680 Speaker 3: see if they can win one on one on the outside. 973 00:45:05,920 --> 00:45:07,920 Speaker 3: So they're gonna do everything that they can not to 974 00:45:08,040 --> 00:45:10,399 Speaker 3: let this rush affect him. But the way that they're 975 00:45:10,440 --> 00:45:12,600 Speaker 3: going to do it is they're gonna run the football. Absolutely, 976 00:45:12,680 --> 00:45:14,279 Speaker 3: that's how they're gonna do it. They're gonna wear you 977 00:45:14,440 --> 00:45:16,799 Speaker 3: down running the ball. They're gonna make you play run 978 00:45:16,880 --> 00:45:18,319 Speaker 3: defense in this game for sure. 979 00:45:18,719 --> 00:45:20,640 Speaker 5: All Right, I appreciate you guys. Jon us back tomorrow. 980 00:45:20,719 --> 00:45:22,600 Speaker 7: We will wrap up everything, get you guys ready for 981 00:45:22,680 --> 00:45:23,439 Speaker 7: Cowboys Versus. 982 00:45:23,560 --> 00:45:24,040 Speaker 5: Just till then. 983 00:45:24,080 --> 00:45:26,920 Speaker 7: For Patrick Walker, Brian brought us Amber Garcia. I'm Derek Eagleston. 984 00:45:26,960 --> 00:45:29,439 Speaker 7: This has been The Break live on Dallas Cowboys dot 985 00:45:29,520 --> 00:45:30,600 Speaker 7: Com Radio. 986 00:45:31,560 --> 00:45:34,560 Speaker 1: This has been a production of Dallascowboys dot Com and 987 00:45:34,719 --> 00:45:36,560 Speaker 1: the Dallas Cowboys Football Club.