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Speaker 1: Hey there, folks. It is Friday, November twenty first, and

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Speaker 1: a young lady, a former GOP staffer, was found with

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Speaker 1: her hands tied behind her with zip ties. She had scrapes,

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Speaker 1: she had cuts all over her body, and someone had

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Speaker 1: written on her Trump whore. She said three men did

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Speaker 1: this to her. Well, federal forty authorities now say she

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Speaker 1: did it to herself. And with that, welcome to this

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Speaker 1: episode of Amy and TJ. Roapes. I don't know how

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Speaker 1: it's possible that this young lady would be willing to

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Speaker 1: was pretty extreme, all for the sake.

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Speaker 2: Of what attention. I don't know. She's twenty six years old.

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Speaker 2: Her name's Natalie Green.

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Speaker 3: You brought this story to my attention, and the more

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Speaker 3: I read into it, the more I couldn't believe what

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Speaker 1: Okay, So yeah, we gave kind of the basics there,

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Speaker 1: which is shocking enough. The details take this to a

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Speaker 2: It's unbelievable.

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Speaker 3: So, first of all, she has been charged, by the way,

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Speaker 3: with one count of conspiracy to convey false statements and

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Speaker 3: hoaxes and another count of making false statements to federal law.

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Speaker 2: Enforcement.

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Speaker 3: But when you hear what those false statements and what

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Speaker 2: Your head around it. This happened in July. She called

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Speaker 2: nine one one. There was a co conspirator with her.

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Speaker 2: We don't know who that person.

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Speaker 3: There was another person who was with her saying they

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Speaker 3: had just been attacked by three men with a gun

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Speaker 3: just outside of Atlantic City.

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Speaker 2: When law enforcement.

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Speaker 3: Came upon her, she was in a wooded area, her hood,

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Speaker 3: I guess, her shirt T shirt was over her head,

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Speaker 3: her hands and her legs were zip tied, and the

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Speaker 3: condition of her body was shocking. She had lacerations all

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Speaker 3: over her body, on her f face, on her neck,

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Speaker 3: on her chest, on her stomach, on her back.

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Speaker 1: And when you see it, folks, we say scrapes and

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Speaker 1: scratches and cuts. It almost looks like a grid like

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Speaker 1: she was scraped, almost like a grill, if you will.

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Speaker 1: That's all over her body on what in the right side,

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Speaker 1: A little bit on her face as well.

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Speaker 2: On her face.

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Speaker 3: It looked like something out of a horror movie. And

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Speaker 3: I'm not exaggerating. And these pictures are online and it

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Speaker 3: looks painful, it looks horrific. It looks like she's been tortured.

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Speaker 1: And when they found it, right, she was hysterical, screaming, yelling, crying,

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Speaker 1: begging for help. So yeah, that's this type of story again,

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Speaker 1: given robes, sometimes what we see in our politics didn't

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Speaker 1: necessarily as shocking as it was seem that necessarily far

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Speaker 1: fetched back in July, because the alternative would be, what

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Speaker 1: that she's making it up?

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Speaker 2: Nah?

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Speaker 1: Nah?

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Speaker 3: Now when you see the condition of her body, when

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Speaker 1: Sorry, y'all just made a mess. I just threw my

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Speaker 2: I didn't know what I was saying was so offensive.

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Speaker 1: Well, I can't believe somebody would do this. I turn

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Speaker 1: the table over next. Sorry about that, baby, Oh my goodness.

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Speaker 3: No, so, not just the violence that was done to

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Speaker 3: her body, but then yes, the messages, some of this

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Speaker 3: don't know there was a redacted name, but it said

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Speaker 3: Party has taken it to this extreme level and taken

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Speaker 1: Abused her vicious and violent. You would you would think

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Speaker 1: this was a horrific crime. And given that she's twenty six,

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Speaker 1: she's young, cute girl all over social media, how could

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Speaker 1: How could you just not take this young woman looking

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Speaker 3: Initially I would I would think the police would take

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Speaker 3: she was yelling. She said that the men, these three

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Speaker 3: it's hard to believe, but when you're seeing the evidence

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Speaker 1: But then things start to come apart, and rose that

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Speaker 3: It came it unraveled pretty quickly. So the first I

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Speaker 3: in her car that matched, like were identical to the

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Speaker 3: ones that they found binding her legs and her arms

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Speaker 3: the night of the attack. So they find the zip

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Speaker 3: we haven't this person who was with her, we don't

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Speaker 3: know the name. Apparently when they looked at that person's phone,

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Speaker 3: this was hilarious. They found a Google search. Man, those

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Speaker 3: Google searches? Do everybody in don't they?

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Speaker 1: What was this is funny?

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Speaker 2: What was the Google search? Zip ties near me?

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Speaker 1: You know, if you look at mine, everybody has something

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Speaker 1: you did something. I probably got brunch near me. Mimosa's

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Speaker 1: at ten thirty near me. I probably got something like that. Yes,

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Speaker 2: Store near me?

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Speaker 3: Zipize what restaurant is open right now? Yes, all of

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Speaker 3: those those are our Google searches, food and beverages, not

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Speaker 3: zip ties near me. But I believe perhaps the most

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Speaker 2: Was on her phone, so she followed up.

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Speaker 3: She went back to the FBI and said, you know,

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Speaker 3: I need this investigated. She didn't want this to go unanswered.

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Speaker 3: She gives them her phone because she tells the FBI

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Speaker 3: and brutalized, that she continued to receive threatening messages at work.

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Speaker 3: So see, she's still under attack, she's fearing for her life.

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Speaker 3: And so of course the FBI said, let's take a

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Speaker 3: vicious messages. What they found were some messages between this

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Speaker 1: Scarification is that?

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Speaker 2: Yes there?

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Speaker 3: So I actually did a deep dive on a Google

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Speaker 3: search on what a modification scarification artist is and what

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Speaker 3: two and a scarification artist are Apparently this is something

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Speaker 3: that has been done for centuries. This is an ancient

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Speaker 3: so they intentionally scar the skin. And it's something that

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Speaker 3: people do for designs for cultural reasons.

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Speaker 2: But yes, you can hire someone to scar.

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Speaker 1: You but this was specifically and what was the first

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Speaker 1: part You said scarification in something? What was the first thing?

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Speaker 3: It was a body modification scarification artists.

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Speaker 1: Okay, when I first heard that, I thought this was

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Speaker 1: anything that suggested that. But this is not that.

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Speaker 2: No, this is like.

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Speaker 3: Yes, and it's it's similar to what we would consider

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Speaker 3: a tattoo artist. You know, people might think that's an

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Speaker 3: abomination to put ink in your skin and change your skin.

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Speaker 3: So this practice actually uses cutting to actually create scars.

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Speaker 3: And so they found this back and forth between Green

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Speaker 3: and this scarification artist in Pennsylvania. They reach out to

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Speaker 3: this artist. She gives law enforcement a copy of a receipt.

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Speaker 3: Green actually paid this artist five hundred dollars to scar

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Speaker 3: and lash rations and scars to go in a predetermined area.

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Speaker 3: She had it all planned out. I didn't know you

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Speaker 2: Do this to you.

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Speaker 1: Apparently it's big in Pennsylvania.

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Speaker 2: I didn't know that this is even a thing. And

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Speaker 2: I just it's just I imagine it's a painful process.

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Speaker 1: Well what she at least from the pictures, it looks

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Speaker 2: That was the attention.

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Speaker 1: But she looked like, this is a twenty six year olly,

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Speaker 1: that to yourself voluntarily for the sake of We don't know,

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Speaker 1: because I have nothing I read suggested a motive. At

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Speaker 1: to guess and speculate. But she is messed up. She

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Speaker 2: It's and I'm actually surprised. I don't know.

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Speaker 3: Obviously, it's a legal, bonafide profession to be a body

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Speaker 3: modification scarification artist, But I wonder is there any sort

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Speaker 2: You know, just to just say, okay, I get.

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Speaker 1: A tattoo when you're drunk.

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Speaker 3: Yes, exactly, Pay me five hundred dollars and I'll scar

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Speaker 2: That's just wild to me that this exists.

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Speaker 1: I'm sure I can't imagine the disclaimers you have to

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Speaker 3: When you see these pictures, I'm just imagining, and I'm

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Speaker 3: not putting this profession into any negative light, but I'm

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Speaker 3: just thinking as a human being doing that to someone

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Speaker 2: You to do it to them. What what was that like?

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Speaker 3: When you see the pictures, you'll know what we're talking about.

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Speaker 3: This isn't just a cool design she wanted scarred on

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Speaker 3: her box. Oh yeah, this is like it looks as

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Speaker 3: if she was the victim of a brutal attack.

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Speaker 1: You asked no questions. You're in business. Somebody comes in

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Speaker 1: and here's the money. This is what I want. Okay,

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Speaker 1: knock yourself out. But this is it's I don't know.

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Speaker 1: And again, the congressman that she worked for, I mean,

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Speaker 1: he's come out. They don't have it in the official

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Speaker 1: but he's come out and mentioned it. Everybody knows who

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Speaker 1: it is, right.

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Speaker 3: Yes, And in fact, when we come back, we will

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Speaker 3: tell you what this young woman's attorney has said about

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Speaker 3: who she once worked for, representative from New Jersey Congressman,

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Speaker 3: Republican Congressman Jeff Andrew, what he had to say about

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Speaker 3: her arrest. Continuing our conversation about this wild story out

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Speaker 1: Guess at least the motive we were given. Okay, that

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Speaker 2: What her attorney had to say. This is what she said.

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Speaker 3: Following these charges being filed. At the age of twenty six,

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Speaker 2: In a court of law.

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Speaker 2: And we're not going to tell you anything. We'll save

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Speaker 3: But just remember she was a full time student and

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Speaker 1: Sympathy for a student and for a public servant, yes, yes,

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Speaker 3: Please give her some grace, exactly now, in terms of

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Speaker 2: She had to research this garification artist. She had to somehow.

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Speaker 3: I don't know if she traveled to Pennsylvania to then

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Speaker 3: go get these lacerations. I'm not sure what all those

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Speaker 2: I don't know.

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Speaker 1: That person has not been arrested, has not been identified exactly. Okay,

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Speaker 1: that's more than just let me grab some zip ties

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Speaker 3: And perhaps you know how these things work in criminal cases,

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Speaker 1: I don't know why. Before I know she's I don't know, man,

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Speaker 1: I give this young lady. I'm reserving and I just

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Speaker 3: Also it's also a crime and I and I point

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Speaker 1: Yeah, they had better shit to do, Yes, yes, and

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Speaker 2: So we'll follow this.

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Speaker 3: It is a bizarre one certainly got our attention today

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Speaker 3: wacky stories of the week. This has been Wow. I

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Speaker 3: hanging with us. Everybody. I made ROVOC alongside TJ.

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Speaker 2: Holmes. We'll talk to you soon.