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Speaker 1: It's very rare anybody recognizes me.

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Speaker 2: I think they have to be old.

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Speaker 3: I would recognize you instantly.

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Speaker 2: Well, you're smart and young.

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Speaker 1: There are not a lot of smart youngs in.

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Speaker 4: Welcome to off the cop my personal anti anxiety antidote.

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Speaker 4: I'm very excited for this one.

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Speaker 3: Guys, there are.

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Speaker 4: Just a handful of people who know what it's like

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Speaker 4: to be the best in their field, the top, the pinnacle,

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Speaker 4: and universally acknowledged as such. I certainly wouldn't know what

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Speaker 4: that feels like, but my guest today does. Oh she's

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Speaker 4: looking around as if who is that?

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Speaker 3: It's you.

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Speaker 4: She was named by Talkers magazine one of the greatest

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Speaker 4: radio talk show hosts of all time and one of

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Speaker 4: the greatest television talk show hosts of all times. She's

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Speaker 4: a Daytime Emmy winner for Outstanding Talk Show Hosts. She

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Speaker 4: helped shape Daytime Talk and Talk Radio. She's a nikon,

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Speaker 4: She's a legend. Welcome Sally Jesse Rafaela, off the cup.

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Speaker 2: Thank you. Why is your name MESSI?

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Speaker 1: I have a sibilant you can't say s without flooring.

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Speaker 3: Uh huh, yep, yep, yep.

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Speaker 4: My given name is Sarah Elizabeth right salent manative of.

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Speaker 3: Sarah, right right, Okay.

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Speaker 4: And I thought when I first started writing, I was

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Speaker 4: a newspaper writer, that it would be fun to be

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Speaker 4: gender anonymous.

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Speaker 2: Good idea, right, yeah.

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Speaker 4: But I didn't imagine being on television, so that gave

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Speaker 4: it away very quickly after. But you know, I yeah,

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Speaker 4: And it's so funny that you asked about that, because

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Speaker 4: I'm so honored that you're here, and there's so much

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Speaker 4: I want to talk to you about. But you there's

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Speaker 4: no one working in broadcast today that wasn't influenced in

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Speaker 4: some way by you and your work. And one of

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Speaker 4: the things, and it's one of the smaller things that

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Speaker 4: you contributed, but it's a it's still.

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Speaker 3: An important thing.

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Speaker 4: Is attention to branding and the glasses and the name.

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Speaker 4: These are these are important things.

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Speaker 2: Okay, Okay, I'll come down.

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Speaker 1: You gotta you gotta realize something.

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Speaker 2: I did my first show.

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Speaker 1: On something NBC Radio called The Quiz Kids.

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Speaker 2: I think I was six years old.

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Speaker 5: Okay, So that means that eighty I have been on

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Speaker 5: the air something like eighty some odd years now.

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Speaker 2: There isn't anybody.

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Speaker 1: Who has been on the air alive that long, not

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Speaker 1: not anyone I can think of, and I know the oldies,

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Speaker 1: they just haven't been on that long because they didn't

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Speaker 1: start at six. Right now, if you've spent your life

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Speaker 1: as a professional broadcaster, you've learned six languages fluently, you

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Speaker 1: were a foreign correspondent when everywhere in the world twice,

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Speaker 1: you've sort of done it all, talked.

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Speaker 2: To everyone you've ever wanted to talk to. Not true.

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Speaker 2: There's some who escaped and everyone says.

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Speaker 1: To you, you're known for red glasses.

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Speaker 4: Right, I'm sure that doesn't think me.

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Speaker 2: He rest in peace because he's passed on.

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Speaker 1: Hated me doing the television show because intellectually he figured

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Speaker 1: that was way beneath us, And of course he was right,

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Speaker 1: but he wasn't paying my bills right now, The answer

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Speaker 4: Yes, yes, And I think the like I said, it's

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Speaker 4: it's a small thing in compared to all of the

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Speaker 4: gifts you gave the industry. But I think coming in

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Speaker 4: when I did, you know, I also wore glasses, and

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Speaker 4: I decided I would wear my glasses on the news.

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Speaker 4: And I'm if you'll allow me, I'm just going to

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Speaker 4: make a switch of the glasses I'm wearing to put

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Speaker 4: on one of the first pairs I bought.

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Speaker 2: Well, you're much more beautiful than I ever was.

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Speaker 4: No, I bought these because of you, Sally, Honestly, I

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Speaker 4: you know, you're just so iconic and and whether you

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Speaker 4: you did so much.

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Speaker 3: You did so much for the industry.

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Speaker 4: But I think you know, the glasses and the look

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Speaker 4: and the name, like, that's part of it.

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Speaker 3: That's part of it.

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Speaker 2: It is, it is, I don't to mean it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and I'm grateful for it, well, grateful for part

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Speaker 1: suits the guys now a suit is an executive and broadcasting.

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Speaker 2: Who comes up through sales.

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Speaker 1: When the suits got a hold of us because they

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Speaker 2: I mean, we must have had eight owners over the years.

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Speaker 1: When that happened and they decided they knew more than

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I know what that feels like too.

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Speaker 4: There's a lot of jobs in broadcasting. People should stick

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Speaker 4: to theirs, right right, Yeah.

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Speaker 2: They should stick to selling what they bought.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, which I can't do. I'm not.

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Speaker 4: I can't do sales. That's someone else's department, right, I

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Speaker 4: know what I can do. You do what you can do, right.

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Speaker 2: But that's not the way they feel. They feel. Oh,

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Speaker 2: I got this job.

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Speaker 1: I think I'll make these changes and tell the creative

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Speaker 1: not let's not talk negatively.

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Speaker 4: Let's talk Okay, okay, Well, there's so much I want

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Speaker 4: to talk to you about in terms of your career.

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Speaker 4: But can I just start by saying I see you

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Speaker 4: on Instagram. You go to a lot of museums and

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Speaker 3: I do too, Clearly that's something you enjoy.

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Speaker 1: Yes, a lot of arts, which is why New York

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Speaker 1: is the second best city in the world to live

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Speaker 1: in because you can. Uh. Theater right now is fabulous.

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Speaker 1: Broadway has more good place now than it has had

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Speaker 2: I went to Ruth oh.

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Speaker 3: At MoMA. Yeah yeah, I saw her sculptures too.

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Speaker 2: It was pretty interesting.

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Speaker 3: So what's the best city?

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Speaker 2: Oh, Paris?

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Speaker 1: Why?

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Speaker 3: Uh, oh, my dear, what You're your favorite museum in Paris?

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Speaker 2: No, they don't know.

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Speaker 1: It's not the best city because of museums and culture.

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Speaker 1: It's the best city because they don't tear things down

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Speaker 2: Yes, so that's why. And also the foods.

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Speaker 4: Then, the food is fantastic. What's your favorite thing to

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Speaker 2: This time of year? Cassolet?

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Speaker 4: Oh yeah, cozy, yeah, cozy, warm, of course, yeah, this

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Speaker 3: I like I like escargo.

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Speaker 1: At the Grand Brasserie and uh Grand Central Station.

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Speaker 2: It's a typical.

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Speaker 1: Different it's the original done a different way with partially olive.

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Speaker 2: Oil and garlic.

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Speaker 4: Well, I like all those things fantastic. I also noticed

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Speaker 4: on your Instagram you posted a bad Bunny quote. I'm

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Speaker 4: wondering what you thought about the halftime show.

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Speaker 2: Oh.

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Speaker 1: I absolutely adored it. I'm crazy about that. I love

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Speaker 1: my music tastes are Broadway shows.

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Speaker 2: And then opera. But I love that Bunny.

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Speaker 1: I just think he's so fabulous and I thought that show.

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Speaker 2: You know, I spent close to forty years on the

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Speaker 2: island of Port right.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And.

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Speaker 1: What he did was what was great, at least in

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Speaker 4: Well, I've also been to Puerto Rico a bunch. I

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Speaker 4: love Puerto Rico and I did. What I loved was

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Speaker 1: And people are saying, you know, speak English, Well, that

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Speaker 2: It doesn't.

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Speaker 3: Well, I mean I said the same thing. I go

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Speaker 3: to opera. I don't understand what they're saying all the time.

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Speaker 4: It does not interfere with my ability to enjoy it,

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Speaker 4: of course not.

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Speaker 1: And I mean one other crazy things, oh that he's

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Speaker 1: not American. Hey, guys, of course he has throw us

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Speaker 2: We know we're American for god.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, So what did you make of What do you

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Speaker 4: make about people's criticism of that and their problems with it.

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Speaker 2: It's ignorant you know.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yep, yep, uh okay. I want to know, Sally.

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Speaker 3: What were you like as a kid?

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Speaker 2: At what stage of a kid?

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Speaker 1: Five through ten, living on a sugarcane plantation in Puerto Rico.

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Speaker 2: Very happy. I was blessed.

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Speaker 1: Everything I did was great and wonderful, and she just

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Speaker 2: The only thing different is.

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Speaker 1: From today's kids is I read a lot, and I

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Speaker 3: Yeah, because you have to fill in the blanks yourself

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Speaker 2: Exactly.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, were you?

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Speaker 4: It feels like a common trait among among future broadcasters.

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Speaker 4: It was definitely true. In my case.

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Speaker 3: We were told a lot as kids that we were

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Speaker 3: too talkative? Was that you.

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Speaker 2: No, No, I've never been talking. My daughter is talkative. WHOA,

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Speaker 2: But no, I am not terribly talkative. In fact, I

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Speaker 1: Party and after eight people, I feel pretty insecure.

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Speaker 2: I don't say anything.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, are you an introvert? Because that's how a lot

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Speaker 3: of introverts feel like, Yeah, I think I'm na.

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Speaker 3: I get exhausted in social situations too. They don't. They

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Speaker 4: But I just I get tired and I need like

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Speaker 2: Me too.

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Speaker 4: So funny how we both ended up in our the

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Speaker 1: People you see, you go to a party and they

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Speaker 1: ask you a lot of questions and they expect sparkling answer. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and I haven't got a sparkling answer.

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Speaker 1: Continent to the right of US, continent to the left

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Speaker 1: of US, continent below us.

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Speaker 3: There's lot going on.

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Speaker 4: I know, where are some of your favorite places to travel?

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Speaker 3: I know you talked about Paris. Where else do you

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Speaker 3: like to go?

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Speaker 2: Well?

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Speaker 1: I lived in Nice twenty four years, so weirdness twelve

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Speaker 1: miles where I live. We were twelve miles from the

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Speaker 1: Italian border, I e.

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Speaker 2: Tuscany.

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Speaker 1: Those were happy days. France is a wonderful country. The

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Speaker 1: thing that's wrong with it are the French. If they

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Speaker 1: got the French out of France.

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Speaker 2: It would be perfect, Yes, it would.

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Speaker 1: Be they They are not a warming They're in the leagues.

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Speaker 1: They believe their perfume and their artwork, their furniture, their

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Speaker 1: history is superior to anything, and they're not interested in

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Speaker 1: meeting any new people. They think of Americans as little

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Speaker 1: children who want to hug you, and I think that's

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Speaker 1: not far off.

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Speaker 2: We are little children who want to hug you.

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Speaker 1: But it's hard living in the country where they don't

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Speaker 1: want to hug.

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Speaker 2: So you living in France, if you need to know,

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Speaker 2: the French is not a good idea. Other places that I.

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Speaker 1: Think are phenomenal probably the Cook Islands I think are

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Speaker 1: absolutely phenomenal.

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Speaker 2: I adored New Zealand. It had I'm.

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Speaker 1: A fisher person, and it had great fish. The only

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Speaker 1: problem with it is it's so darn far. I mean

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Speaker 1: the hours that.

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Speaker 2: It takes to get there. Yes, at least the last

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Speaker 2: time I was there.

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Speaker 1: Where else Santiago, Chile. Berlin wonderful country.

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Speaker 2: Wonderful Yeah, yes, Berlin. Uh.

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Speaker 1: Not interested in the Dutch very much. They're kind of

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Speaker 1: close to the French in their attitude. Italians there are

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Speaker 1: great people in a not so great country. Now, if

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Speaker 1: you take all the Italians, put them in France, take

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Speaker 1: the French, send them down to Italy, things would be

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Speaker 1: pretty good.

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Speaker 2: That's a good idea roll the universe. Quite yet, not.

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Speaker 3: Yet, right, not one day.

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Speaker 4: Well, we've had a number of fisher people on the show.

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Speaker 4: I also love to fish. Where is your favorite place

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Speaker 4: to fish? What do you like to fish for?

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Speaker 2: I'm a fresh water fly fisher. Woah, mouth best.

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Speaker 3: Oh, that's fine.

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Speaker 2: I don't make flies.

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Speaker 1: The people who don't make flies usually don't fish, and

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Speaker 1: the fish people don't usually make flies sometimes.

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Speaker 3: Yes, yes, okay, great. I imagine you get recognized everywhere

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Speaker 3: you go. Is there any Is there any really? How

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Speaker 3: could that be?

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Speaker 2: It's a wonderful thing, I imagine.

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Speaker 3: But that's shocking to me.

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Speaker 1: No, I can go anywhere. Well, I don't wear red glasses.

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Speaker 3: Okay, I would still rend recognize you anywhere.

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Speaker 1: I was in Bloomingdale's yesterday for a good part of

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Speaker 1: the day, and I went to a restaurant last night. No,

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Speaker 1: I'm maybe it's the New York, but no, I have

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Speaker 1: no trouble. It's very rare anybody recognizes me.

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Speaker 2: I think they have to be old.

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Speaker 3: I would recognize you instantly.

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Speaker 1: Well, you're smart and young. There are not a lot

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Speaker 1: of smart youngs anymore.

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Speaker 3: Okay, I want to do a lightning round.

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Speaker 4: What do you like to watch on TV these days?

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Speaker 2: Pitt Father Brown?

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Speaker 3: Yep, the pitt Father Brown.

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Speaker 2: Good.

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Speaker 4: Do you watch any of the late night talk shows?

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Speaker 4: If so, what's your favorite?

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Speaker 3: No? No, I'm no, not interested.

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Speaker 2: No, don't make appointment to the much got it? Yep?

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Speaker 3: Who was the rudest celebrity you've ever met?

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Speaker 2: George Seagull? I think?

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Speaker 3: Okay, oh yeah, okay. Uh.

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Speaker 4: What's a book that had a huge impact on you?

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Speaker 2: Probably the Bible?

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Speaker 1: First Genesis, Exodus, Leviticates, numbers, do the wrong on me, Joshua, The.

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Speaker 3: Old Testament, Yeah, the Torah.

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Speaker 1: Yes, mm hm.

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Speaker 2: Ask questions, It asks questions.

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Speaker 3: Yes, deep questions, existential questions. I'm a fan of the

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Speaker 3: Old Testament as well.

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Speaker 4: Describe your perfect morning, sleeping till eleven, eating Intimate's chocolate donuts,

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Speaker 4: all chocolate all the way through, not the vanilla ones,

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Speaker 4: Drinking three.

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Speaker 1: Cups of coffee Bustello coffee, and not bothering to get dressed.

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Speaker 2: Till new.

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Speaker 3: That sounds like everyone's perfect morning. Love it there. It

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Speaker 3: should be. What's your bedtime routine?

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Speaker 1: Generally watch MS now at ten.

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Speaker 2: And because he's getting very good.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, read about an hour.

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Speaker 2: Who that maybe listen to come a lot? That's it? Foolishly.

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Speaker 4: Who should decide the temperature in an office building? And

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Speaker 4: what should that temperature be? The temperature where in an

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Speaker 4: office building? What's the ideal indoor temperature for working?

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Speaker 1: You're asking a person who lived in Puerto Rico most

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Speaker 1: of them. Yeah, yeah, so that was yours eighty to eighties.

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Speaker 2: Nice.

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Speaker 4: We can be friends, we can work together in an

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Speaker 4: office because I can't deal with.

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Speaker 3: The sixty fives. The sixty fives that the men set.

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Speaker 2: Oh, that's ridiculous. You can make an igloo at that.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, correct, I can see when I can see my

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Speaker 4: breath in the studio.

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Speaker 3: It's too cold.

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Speaker 2: It's ridiculous.

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Speaker 4: Okay, this is the last question, Sally, Uh is it

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Speaker 4: ever iced coffee season?

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Speaker 2: Not for me?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you're a hot You're a hot coffee galop.

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Speaker 1: Black cafe, Bustello espresso in a full.

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Speaker 2: Cup, yes, not the espresso, the full cup. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: But I can drink coffee at any time a day

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Speaker 1: and go to sleep like that I comp on the

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Speaker 1: suitcase in an airport for ten minutes.

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Speaker 3: That's a very useful skill. It is that comes in handy.

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Speaker 2: I'm sure you know you're good. I'm sorry, I said,

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Speaker 2: do you know you're good?

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Speaker 3: Who?

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Speaker 1: What?

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Speaker 2: What? At?

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Speaker 3: Sleeping?

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Speaker 2: No? At doing this? Do you know you are good?

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Speaker 3: Oh? I don't know, but I don't know.

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Speaker 2: I know.

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Speaker 3: I love what I do.

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Speaker 2: Well, you should know you're good.

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Speaker 3: Wow. Thank you. That's incredible coming from you. Thank you

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Speaker 3: so much.

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Speaker 1: We were ending things off. I'm about to go flips.

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Speaker 1: I'm about to go to the dry coiner.

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Speaker 3: Wonderful. Well, thank you so much for joining me. This

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Speaker 3: was really an honor.

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Speaker 2: I appreciate it was great.

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Speaker 3: Sally, thanks a lot.

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