1 00:00:08,600 --> 00:00:13,960 Speaker 1: We welcome you inside the Cross Country Mortgage Campus here in Berea, Ohio. 2 00:00:14,120 --> 00:00:17,840 Speaker 1: I'm Jason Gibbs and this is the best podcast available. 3 00:00:18,560 --> 00:00:22,000 Speaker 1: Draft Week is officially in the books for two thousand 4 00:00:22,200 --> 00:00:27,240 Speaker 1: and twenty three. The Cleveland Browns with seven players. They 5 00:00:27,360 --> 00:00:31,640 Speaker 1: use seven of their eight picks, four on offense, including 6 00:00:31,640 --> 00:00:36,600 Speaker 1: two Buckeyes in Dwan Jones and Luke Wepler, both offensive lineman. 7 00:00:37,159 --> 00:00:40,360 Speaker 1: Three on the defensive side of things. They got a 8 00:00:40,400 --> 00:00:43,840 Speaker 1: lot bigger on the offensive line and the defensive line, 9 00:00:44,240 --> 00:00:49,520 Speaker 1: that is for sure. The seventh round pick Andrew Berry 10 00:00:49,520 --> 00:00:51,800 Speaker 1: did us a favor. He traded that seventh rounder to 11 00:00:51,840 --> 00:00:56,360 Speaker 1: Baltimore for a tw twenty four, sixth round pick. The 12 00:00:56,400 --> 00:00:59,960 Speaker 1: Browns made the most of their picks. It's being heralded 13 00:01:00,120 --> 00:01:02,920 Speaker 1: across the league for what they did. They filled a 14 00:01:02,920 --> 00:01:05,440 Speaker 1: lot of their needs. It started in the third round. 15 00:01:05,480 --> 00:01:08,160 Speaker 1: It picked seventy four, with Cedric Tillman, the wide receiver 16 00:01:08,240 --> 00:01:11,800 Speaker 1: from Tennessee, coming off the board to the Browns. Siaki 17 00:01:11,880 --> 00:01:15,479 Speaker 1: Ika at pick number ninety eight from Baylor rounded out 18 00:01:15,520 --> 00:01:18,880 Speaker 1: your Friday night, and then the Browns draft five additional 19 00:01:18,920 --> 00:01:24,960 Speaker 1: players on Saturday, a full Bowl roster and a compliment 20 00:01:25,319 --> 00:01:28,880 Speaker 1: of a draft class for Andrew Berry and company, including 21 00:01:28,920 --> 00:01:33,360 Speaker 1: Isaiah McGuire on the defensive line from Missouri, Dorian Thompson 22 00:01:33,440 --> 00:01:38,280 Speaker 1: richardson quarterback from UCLA, Cameron Mitchell, Greg Newsom the second's 23 00:01:38,319 --> 00:01:42,640 Speaker 1: teammate from Northwestern. So it's a great draft class, a 24 00:01:42,680 --> 00:01:45,560 Speaker 1: lot of promise, some guys that can develop as well 25 00:01:46,000 --> 00:01:50,280 Speaker 1: in some loaded rooms. For more on the twenty twenty 26 00:01:50,320 --> 00:01:53,520 Speaker 1: three Browns draft class and the NFL Draft as a whole, 27 00:01:54,200 --> 00:01:55,760 Speaker 1: I had a chance to sit down with a great 28 00:01:55,840 --> 00:01:59,640 Speaker 1: Dane Brugler from The Athletic. Every player taken in this 29 00:01:59,760 --> 00:02:03,480 Speaker 1: draft was in his draft guide, The Beast. Make sure 30 00:02:03,520 --> 00:02:05,720 Speaker 1: you get it. You still can todate with a subscription 31 00:02:06,280 --> 00:02:09,239 Speaker 1: to The Athletic. We break down the entire Browns draft 32 00:02:09,240 --> 00:02:12,200 Speaker 1: class here with the one and only Dane Brugler. Have 33 00:02:12,280 --> 00:02:15,040 Speaker 1: a watch and have a listen here on the best 34 00:02:15,080 --> 00:02:18,320 Speaker 1: podcast available. Happy to be joined by our draft guru, 35 00:02:18,680 --> 00:02:21,959 Speaker 1: the great Dane Brugler from The Athletic. He has survived 36 00:02:22,040 --> 00:02:25,680 Speaker 1: draft weekend before he goes into his bunker for a 37 00:02:25,720 --> 00:02:29,880 Speaker 1: good couple of weeks, maybe a couple months. Kind enough 38 00:02:29,919 --> 00:02:32,359 Speaker 1: to join us here on the best podcast available to 39 00:02:32,400 --> 00:02:36,160 Speaker 1: break down the Browns draft class and first and foremost 40 00:02:36,440 --> 00:02:40,320 Speaker 1: shout out to you on the Beast every player drafted 41 00:02:40,800 --> 00:02:42,920 Speaker 1: in the Beast, which you can still get and you 42 00:02:42,960 --> 00:02:45,920 Speaker 1: should get if you want to learn all about the 43 00:02:45,960 --> 00:02:48,400 Speaker 1: guys that we took on Day two and Day three 44 00:02:49,280 --> 00:02:51,880 Speaker 1: and for any team in Day two and day three. 45 00:02:52,320 --> 00:02:55,560 Speaker 1: It is the complete, complete draft guide. My entire on 46 00:02:55,639 --> 00:02:59,280 Speaker 1: air staff used it a lot of illuminaries last week 47 00:02:59,320 --> 00:03:02,400 Speaker 1: throughout the NF world I saw using your draft guide. 48 00:03:03,600 --> 00:03:07,960 Speaker 1: I killed a couple trees this past week. But the 49 00:03:08,040 --> 00:03:12,880 Speaker 1: on air guys, everybody, yeah, did yourself. As always, Congratulations 50 00:03:13,320 --> 00:03:17,160 Speaker 1: every single player in the draft Guide. Has there been 51 00:03:17,200 --> 00:03:20,200 Speaker 1: a year where you've had like more than one that 52 00:03:20,639 --> 00:03:23,000 Speaker 1: one player that wasn't in a draft guide? I mean, 53 00:03:23,040 --> 00:03:24,959 Speaker 1: I feel like you cover the bases pretty well. 54 00:03:25,400 --> 00:03:28,240 Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean it was like five six years ago 55 00:03:28,960 --> 00:03:32,200 Speaker 2: the Vikings drafted a long snapper in the seventh round 56 00:03:32,280 --> 00:03:34,240 Speaker 2: out of air Force that I did not have in there. 57 00:03:34,320 --> 00:03:36,440 Speaker 2: And let me tell you, that stuck with me for 58 00:03:37,160 --> 00:03:40,560 Speaker 2: a while. So it's my mission to make sure that 59 00:03:40,640 --> 00:03:42,480 Speaker 2: it doesn't happen again. And you know it's tough it, 60 00:03:42,520 --> 00:03:45,119 Speaker 2: trust me. I it gets a little nerve wracking there 61 00:03:45,240 --> 00:03:49,200 Speaker 2: in the later rounds because sometimes you know, teams just draft. 62 00:03:49,720 --> 00:03:51,480 Speaker 2: You know, you could have saw one guy at one 63 00:03:51,520 --> 00:03:53,920 Speaker 2: workout and he looked good, and that's good enough. He 64 00:03:53,920 --> 00:03:56,600 Speaker 2: wouldn't have been drafted by any other team, but this 65 00:03:56,680 --> 00:03:59,280 Speaker 2: one team liked him, and you never know. So there's 66 00:03:59,280 --> 00:04:03,480 Speaker 2: almost nineteen hundred players in the Draft Guide, so there's 67 00:04:03,520 --> 00:04:06,280 Speaker 2: always a chance maybe one slips through, but thankfully not 68 00:04:06,400 --> 00:04:09,440 Speaker 2: this year. All two hundred and fifty nine picks are 69 00:04:09,480 --> 00:04:13,280 Speaker 2: in the Draft Guide in some shape or form, most 70 00:04:13,280 --> 00:04:16,599 Speaker 2: of them, almost all of them have reports. The few 71 00:04:16,640 --> 00:04:19,680 Speaker 2: that don't have all the testing numbers. So definitely proud. 72 00:04:19,400 --> 00:04:24,280 Speaker 1: Of that fact. Congratulations, seriously, I mean to have that done. 73 00:04:24,320 --> 00:04:26,800 Speaker 1: And the fact that you remember the long snapper from 74 00:04:26,839 --> 00:04:29,359 Speaker 1: Minnesota tells me you might not have gotten over it 75 00:04:29,440 --> 00:04:30,159 Speaker 1: quite yet either. 76 00:04:30,760 --> 00:04:32,360 Speaker 2: No, that'll take some time. 77 00:04:33,480 --> 00:04:36,600 Speaker 1: Dave Brugloo joins us from the Athletic our Draft Guru, 78 00:04:36,640 --> 00:04:39,359 Speaker 1: a resident draft guru. We're breaking down the draft and 79 00:04:40,040 --> 00:04:42,560 Speaker 1: you mentioned it. I thought it was a fascinating stat 80 00:04:42,600 --> 00:04:44,560 Speaker 1: that you put out. I mean, we took five of 81 00:04:44,600 --> 00:04:47,000 Speaker 1: your top one hundred players and we didn't have a 82 00:04:47,040 --> 00:04:49,920 Speaker 1: pick till pick number seventy four, So I would say 83 00:04:50,040 --> 00:04:53,680 Speaker 1: a pretty solid job by Andrew Berry and company. What 84 00:04:53,920 --> 00:04:57,000 Speaker 1: say you given the whole scope of this Browns draft class. 85 00:04:57,279 --> 00:05:00,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, obviously, my top one hundred is my opinion. It's 86 00:05:00,400 --> 00:05:02,720 Speaker 2: not the be all end all of who these players are. 87 00:05:02,839 --> 00:05:06,480 Speaker 2: But you know, I think that the Browns, at least 88 00:05:06,480 --> 00:05:09,360 Speaker 2: in my opinion, did a really nice job of letting 89 00:05:09,360 --> 00:05:13,000 Speaker 2: the draft fall to them and maximizing those picks. I 90 00:05:13,040 --> 00:05:16,640 Speaker 2: don't think they went into Day two thinking, all right, 91 00:05:16,720 --> 00:05:18,560 Speaker 2: with this first pick, we're going to get that receiver, 92 00:05:18,720 --> 00:05:21,240 Speaker 2: that that's who we're targeting. But by the time seventy 93 00:05:21,240 --> 00:05:24,239 Speaker 2: four got around, it just so happens Cedric Tillman still 94 00:05:24,240 --> 00:05:26,680 Speaker 2: on the board, and you know, the best one of 95 00:05:26,720 --> 00:05:29,359 Speaker 2: the few ex receivers in this draft, they had a 96 00:05:29,440 --> 00:05:32,760 Speaker 2: chance to draft him. And then even you know, in 97 00:05:32,839 --> 00:05:35,040 Speaker 2: the later third and the fourth round. I mean, they 98 00:05:35,040 --> 00:05:38,120 Speaker 2: did a really nice job letting guys fall to them 99 00:05:38,240 --> 00:05:42,520 Speaker 2: and really taking advantage of that. So and in Luke Whippler, 100 00:05:42,560 --> 00:05:44,520 Speaker 2: he missed my top one hundred, but he was pretty close. 101 00:05:44,520 --> 00:05:47,000 Speaker 2: So he's another guy you could have, you know, even 102 00:05:47,040 --> 00:05:48,920 Speaker 2: thrown in there. So you know, the Browns, I thought, 103 00:05:49,000 --> 00:05:53,640 Speaker 2: did a really nice job drafting players for the now. 104 00:05:53,720 --> 00:05:55,720 Speaker 2: But also the future guys that are going to help 105 00:05:55,720 --> 00:05:58,599 Speaker 2: with that immediate depth. But also you know, as you 106 00:05:58,800 --> 00:06:01,640 Speaker 2: look as you project forward the twenty twenty four roster, 107 00:06:01,839 --> 00:06:04,960 Speaker 2: the twenty twenty five roster, the guys drafted, I think 108 00:06:05,000 --> 00:06:07,120 Speaker 2: they're going to play a key role on those rosters. 109 00:06:07,600 --> 00:06:09,760 Speaker 1: And I know Nathan and Bo brought it up with 110 00:06:09,839 --> 00:06:13,200 Speaker 1: you on Brown's Daily earlier this week. You know, these 111 00:06:13,200 --> 00:06:15,080 Speaker 1: guys that are drafted, they're going to push some of 112 00:06:15,120 --> 00:06:18,840 Speaker 1: the current roster guys for spots on this team here 113 00:06:18,880 --> 00:06:22,360 Speaker 1: come fall. I don't think you know, it's all about competition. 114 00:06:22,480 --> 00:06:25,159 Speaker 1: You hear Kevin Stefanski talk about it and Andrew Berry 115 00:06:25,200 --> 00:06:27,400 Speaker 1: talk about it, And you're gonna have some really good 116 00:06:27,440 --> 00:06:29,640 Speaker 1: competitions with the guys that they're bringing in. 117 00:06:30,600 --> 00:06:34,200 Speaker 2: Competition breeds the best. I mean, you want that competition 118 00:06:34,279 --> 00:06:36,560 Speaker 2: in camp. You want to bring these guys in and 119 00:06:36,839 --> 00:06:39,960 Speaker 2: you know, push the veterans, you know, let these young guys, 120 00:06:39,960 --> 00:06:42,960 Speaker 2: these hungry young players go out there and try to 121 00:06:42,960 --> 00:06:46,200 Speaker 2: earn a spot. So yeah, no question about it. And 122 00:06:46,320 --> 00:06:48,240 Speaker 2: you know, you look at receiver, it's like it's a 123 00:06:48,240 --> 00:06:51,080 Speaker 2: crowded depth chart right now, and so you know, how 124 00:06:51,120 --> 00:06:53,279 Speaker 2: is that going to play? Out over the next few months, 125 00:06:53,640 --> 00:06:56,159 Speaker 2: especially when you add to Cedric Tillman in that mix. 126 00:06:56,640 --> 00:06:58,800 Speaker 2: Obviously Tilman's going to make the team, but you know, 127 00:06:58,839 --> 00:07:02,240 Speaker 2: how does that competition in a new body, How does 128 00:07:02,279 --> 00:07:05,000 Speaker 2: that affect the rest of the receivers currently on the roster. 129 00:07:06,000 --> 00:07:09,360 Speaker 2: And you know, really look at quarterback. You bring in 130 00:07:09,760 --> 00:07:13,280 Speaker 2: Dorian Thompson Robinson, you know, there's how's that going to 131 00:07:13,360 --> 00:07:15,560 Speaker 2: fit with Kellen Mond And you know, I think Joshua 132 00:07:15,640 --> 00:07:18,320 Speaker 2: Dobbs is pretty set as the backup, but you know, 133 00:07:18,400 --> 00:07:20,040 Speaker 2: how does that you know, fighting out for that number 134 00:07:20,080 --> 00:07:24,360 Speaker 2: three quarterback spot. So plenty of questions how these draft 135 00:07:24,360 --> 00:07:27,280 Speaker 2: picks are going to fit on the roster. But it's 136 00:07:27,360 --> 00:07:29,240 Speaker 2: it's definitely kind of a wake up called for some 137 00:07:29,280 --> 00:07:31,720 Speaker 2: of the you know, the players on the already on 138 00:07:31,760 --> 00:07:34,280 Speaker 2: the roster to say, hey, I need to really step 139 00:07:34,320 --> 00:07:36,560 Speaker 2: it up in camp this year, or you know, my 140 00:07:36,680 --> 00:07:38,200 Speaker 2: roster spot is not guaranteed. 141 00:07:39,120 --> 00:07:42,760 Speaker 1: You can subscribe to The Athletic Today and get Dan 142 00:07:42,840 --> 00:07:46,960 Speaker 1: Brugler's copy of the Beast, which is every player that 143 00:07:47,040 --> 00:07:49,840 Speaker 1: was picked in this twenty twenty three NFL draft. Also 144 00:07:49,920 --> 00:07:52,840 Speaker 1: some undrafted free agents that at some point we will 145 00:07:52,920 --> 00:07:55,600 Speaker 1: learn about more as the week goes on from the 146 00:07:55,600 --> 00:07:59,440 Speaker 1: Cleveland Browns and from every other team as those become official. 147 00:07:59,640 --> 00:08:03,600 Speaker 1: All right, current draft class Stane Bugler favorite pick in 148 00:08:03,680 --> 00:08:06,080 Speaker 1: this Browns draft class. 149 00:08:06,120 --> 00:08:09,120 Speaker 2: Hard not to go with Tillman, you know, to get him, 150 00:08:09,160 --> 00:08:11,000 Speaker 2: I thought he would go somewhere in that forty to 151 00:08:11,040 --> 00:08:14,440 Speaker 2: sixty range, and he would have gone even higher if 152 00:08:14,480 --> 00:08:17,120 Speaker 2: not for his injury this year, had the tight rope 153 00:08:17,120 --> 00:08:20,200 Speaker 2: ankle surgery. Going back to last summer when I was 154 00:08:20,200 --> 00:08:23,040 Speaker 2: studying him, based on the twenty twenty one film, this 155 00:08:23,080 --> 00:08:24,600 Speaker 2: is a player that was being talked about as a 156 00:08:24,640 --> 00:08:27,520 Speaker 2: late one early too, a chance to go very high 157 00:08:27,520 --> 00:08:30,720 Speaker 2: in the draft. Has the size obviously six three and 158 00:08:30,760 --> 00:08:33,960 Speaker 2: a half two hundred and fifteen pounds, good enough speed 159 00:08:34,000 --> 00:08:35,679 Speaker 2: four or five four in the forty yard dash. I 160 00:08:35,760 --> 00:08:38,560 Speaker 2: understand that's not blazing, but and this is a big player. 161 00:08:39,320 --> 00:08:42,480 Speaker 2: So he has the speed to win vertically and win 162 00:08:42,520 --> 00:08:45,480 Speaker 2: over top defensive backs. You know, you just look at 163 00:08:45,520 --> 00:08:47,719 Speaker 2: his vert and his broad jump thirty seven inches vert 164 00:08:47,840 --> 00:08:50,440 Speaker 2: ten to eight broad jump tells you how explosive he is. 165 00:08:50,760 --> 00:08:54,160 Speaker 2: So this is a big man with strong hands. You 166 00:08:54,240 --> 00:08:57,400 Speaker 2: love the ball skills to catch radius. He does a 167 00:08:57,400 --> 00:08:59,720 Speaker 2: really nice job attacking the ball away from his body, 168 00:09:00,320 --> 00:09:03,240 Speaker 2: and he has play strength, whether it's as a blocker 169 00:09:03,480 --> 00:09:07,720 Speaker 2: or down the field against coverage. So I really like 170 00:09:07,800 --> 00:09:10,240 Speaker 2: what he brings to You look at this wide receiver 171 00:09:10,320 --> 00:09:12,640 Speaker 2: room and I really like what he brings to it. 172 00:09:12,640 --> 00:09:15,000 Speaker 2: What he has to offer something a little bit different 173 00:09:15,200 --> 00:09:17,480 Speaker 2: than what they have. So he can be that Possisi 174 00:09:17,600 --> 00:09:19,720 Speaker 2: threat on the outside, but he can also give you 175 00:09:19,720 --> 00:09:22,000 Speaker 2: a vertical element and win down the field. And that's 176 00:09:22,000 --> 00:09:25,360 Speaker 2: something that I think we'll see immediately. I'm not saying 177 00:09:25,360 --> 00:09:27,120 Speaker 2: he's going to come in and be the guy, but 178 00:09:27,160 --> 00:09:29,880 Speaker 2: he's going to step in and be, you know, someone 179 00:09:29,880 --> 00:09:32,720 Speaker 2: that's gonna help this offense. And so Cedric Tillman getting 180 00:09:32,760 --> 00:09:36,280 Speaker 2: him at seventy four, not just the player, but the value. 181 00:09:37,000 --> 00:09:40,120 Speaker 2: I really like that pick for the Browns and Tillman. 182 00:09:40,480 --> 00:09:43,000 Speaker 1: You know, if he doesn't miss six games with an 183 00:09:43,000 --> 00:09:47,320 Speaker 1: ankle injury, is are we talking about him going in 184 00:09:47,320 --> 00:09:49,760 Speaker 1: the first round and us not even getting a chance 185 00:09:50,040 --> 00:09:51,680 Speaker 1: or even an early second. 186 00:09:51,840 --> 00:09:52,560 Speaker 2: Quite possibly. 187 00:09:52,640 --> 00:09:52,880 Speaker 1: Yeah. 188 00:09:53,120 --> 00:09:56,760 Speaker 2: And you know he went over a thousand yards in 189 00:09:56,800 --> 00:09:59,720 Speaker 2: twenty twenty one, he had twelve touchdowns. I mean, this 190 00:09:59,760 --> 00:10:04,560 Speaker 2: guy was a playmaker, and you factor in this year 191 00:10:04,600 --> 00:10:07,440 Speaker 2: with Hendon Hooker and that explosive offense. He might have 192 00:10:07,559 --> 00:10:11,400 Speaker 2: surpassed those numbers, and if he did, I feel very 193 00:10:11,440 --> 00:10:13,680 Speaker 2: strongly that he would have went at somewhere in the 194 00:10:13,679 --> 00:10:16,400 Speaker 2: top fifty picks, maybe even as high as that late 195 00:10:16,400 --> 00:10:18,960 Speaker 2: first round. It's certainly possible because again, a lot of 196 00:10:19,000 --> 00:10:21,640 Speaker 2: teams are looking for that X receiver and he's one 197 00:10:21,679 --> 00:10:24,280 Speaker 2: of the few in this class that qualifies. You know, 198 00:10:24,480 --> 00:10:26,680 Speaker 2: you look at the first round. You know Jordan Addison 199 00:10:26,800 --> 00:10:31,040 Speaker 2: and JSN, and you know these are smaller players. Jsn's 200 00:10:31,080 --> 00:10:35,400 Speaker 2: a slot receiver. Ze Flowers a smaller receiver. But then 201 00:10:35,400 --> 00:10:37,360 Speaker 2: this is why I didn't think Cedric Tillman would last 202 00:10:37,400 --> 00:10:39,520 Speaker 2: all the way to seventy four, because he is a 203 00:10:39,559 --> 00:10:42,360 Speaker 2: true X and that gets you excited if you're the Browns. 204 00:10:43,160 --> 00:10:46,360 Speaker 1: Talking with Dane Brugler from the Athletics taking a look 205 00:10:46,520 --> 00:10:51,280 Speaker 1: at the rest of his draft class. Siaki Ika out 206 00:10:51,280 --> 00:10:57,200 Speaker 1: of Baylor defensive tackle, our defensive coordinator and company, mister Schwartz, 207 00:10:57,320 --> 00:11:00,880 Speaker 1: getting a guy to really help on the front lines there, 208 00:11:01,640 --> 00:11:06,080 Speaker 1: and we'll get to Isaiah McGuire as well. But two guys, 209 00:11:06,760 --> 00:11:09,720 Speaker 1: some big bodies on the defensive line here for the 210 00:11:09,720 --> 00:11:10,920 Speaker 1: Cleveland Browns. 211 00:11:10,920 --> 00:11:14,120 Speaker 2: No doubt, six three hundred and thirty five pounds, And 212 00:11:14,160 --> 00:11:16,200 Speaker 2: I go back to last summer when I first started 213 00:11:16,240 --> 00:11:20,040 Speaker 2: studying Eka and the one of the first tapes I 214 00:11:20,080 --> 00:11:23,040 Speaker 2: watched was the Bowl game against Old Miss and he 215 00:11:23,160 --> 00:11:25,920 Speaker 2: showed past rush in that game and I was like, Okay, 216 00:11:26,120 --> 00:11:28,320 Speaker 2: this is something to work with. And you know what, 217 00:11:28,440 --> 00:11:31,160 Speaker 2: he didn't show nearly that same pass rush as past year, 218 00:11:31,960 --> 00:11:33,920 Speaker 2: but I don't he wasn't really asked to. You know, 219 00:11:34,080 --> 00:11:37,280 Speaker 2: he had a specific role on that defense for David Randa. 220 00:11:37,400 --> 00:11:40,840 Speaker 2: Right in the middle that mostly a three man front. 221 00:11:40,880 --> 00:11:45,240 Speaker 2: He's occupying doubles, he's two gapping, you know, he's he's 222 00:11:45,280 --> 00:11:48,240 Speaker 2: doing his job creating that congestion in the middle of 223 00:11:48,240 --> 00:11:50,840 Speaker 2: the line, shutting down the run. But when he does 224 00:11:50,880 --> 00:11:53,920 Speaker 2: have one on one opportunities, you see flashes of pass 225 00:11:54,000 --> 00:11:57,440 Speaker 2: rush potential. He's a very nimble three hundred and thirty 226 00:11:57,440 --> 00:12:00,360 Speaker 2: five pounds, but also has that power to work work with. 227 00:12:00,440 --> 00:12:02,920 Speaker 2: So he's going to be a great addition to the 228 00:12:03,000 --> 00:12:06,520 Speaker 2: rotation on the defensive front. You know, you work them 229 00:12:06,559 --> 00:12:09,880 Speaker 2: in and get these allow these guys to have fresh legs. 230 00:12:10,640 --> 00:12:12,560 Speaker 2: You know, there's someone that's going to make everybody on 231 00:12:12,600 --> 00:12:15,440 Speaker 2: the defense better because he's just another guy you can 232 00:12:15,480 --> 00:12:16,920 Speaker 2: add in there and not miss a beat. 233 00:12:18,520 --> 00:12:20,520 Speaker 1: Let's stay on the defensive side of the football. Let's 234 00:12:20,559 --> 00:12:23,600 Speaker 1: talk about McGuire. Yeah, and we're already talking d Lion. 235 00:12:23,720 --> 00:12:27,400 Speaker 1: I mean from an edge standpoint, again, it's a guy 236 00:12:27,520 --> 00:12:31,280 Speaker 1: that you can put in the rotation fresh legs, develop him. 237 00:12:31,600 --> 00:12:36,160 Speaker 1: He's shown some flashes, had a very good career at 238 00:12:36,240 --> 00:12:39,520 Speaker 1: the University of Missouri, and a guy that could get 239 00:12:39,520 --> 00:12:42,600 Speaker 1: some valuable reps here on this Cleveland Browns team. Early 240 00:12:42,640 --> 00:12:45,800 Speaker 1: on in the season. Potentially the Browns could. 241 00:12:45,600 --> 00:12:47,760 Speaker 2: Have drafted Isaiah McGuire at seventy four. And I don't 242 00:12:47,760 --> 00:12:50,880 Speaker 2: think anybody would have thought anything of it, or they 243 00:12:50,920 --> 00:12:52,800 Speaker 2: would have thought there was a reach or anything, because 244 00:12:52,800 --> 00:12:56,040 Speaker 2: that's how highly a lot of people thought of Isaiah McGuire. 245 00:12:56,440 --> 00:12:58,440 Speaker 2: Six four and a half two hundred and sixty eight pounds. 246 00:12:59,280 --> 00:13:02,280 Speaker 2: You know, he has speed and he has powerful hands. 247 00:13:02,320 --> 00:13:03,800 Speaker 2: So you see the speed to power. 248 00:13:04,120 --> 00:13:04,320 Speaker 1: Just that. 249 00:13:04,520 --> 00:13:06,960 Speaker 2: Ask Broderick Jones. Throw on the Georgia tape and see 250 00:13:07,000 --> 00:13:09,079 Speaker 2: Isaiah McGuire go to work. I mean, he was the 251 00:13:09,120 --> 00:13:12,400 Speaker 2: one pass rusher this year that really gave Broderick Jones, 252 00:13:12,400 --> 00:13:14,360 Speaker 2: who was the first round pick of the Steelers, of course, 253 00:13:14,559 --> 00:13:16,720 Speaker 2: gave him a lot of trouble, and so you know, 254 00:13:16,920 --> 00:13:18,800 Speaker 2: he checks a lot of boxes for the Browns. He's 255 00:13:18,800 --> 00:13:21,319 Speaker 2: a younger player, fourth year senior, but still just twenty 256 00:13:21,320 --> 00:13:25,040 Speaker 2: one years old, really productive in the SEC Big School. 257 00:13:25,720 --> 00:13:27,200 Speaker 2: So there, I think there's a lot to like about 258 00:13:27,320 --> 00:13:30,080 Speaker 2: Isaiah McGuire. And I again, he could have easily gone 259 00:13:30,080 --> 00:13:32,360 Speaker 2: with one of those two third round picks, and I 260 00:13:32,360 --> 00:13:35,840 Speaker 2: thought it would have made sense. Obviously, the Browns, you know, 261 00:13:35,960 --> 00:13:38,560 Speaker 2: have one of the best in the league of Miles Garrett. 262 00:13:38,880 --> 00:13:41,080 Speaker 2: But what about opposite him? You know, obviously, you know 263 00:13:41,280 --> 00:13:44,880 Speaker 2: there's you know, there's optimism about what it's gonna look 264 00:13:44,920 --> 00:13:47,360 Speaker 2: like this year. But you know, you bring in Isaah MacGuire, 265 00:13:47,440 --> 00:13:50,960 Speaker 2: you add him to the mix, you know, with the 266 00:13:50,960 --> 00:13:52,559 Speaker 2: rest of the you know, the two guys at drag 267 00:13:52,640 --> 00:13:55,800 Speaker 2: It last year with Wright and Thomas and Okuronquo. Bring 268 00:13:55,840 --> 00:13:58,080 Speaker 2: him in free agency, so all of a sudden, pass 269 00:13:58,160 --> 00:14:01,559 Speaker 2: rush looked more like a strength. And again another rotation. 270 00:14:01,720 --> 00:14:05,319 Speaker 2: Bring these guys in fresh legs and just keep throwing 271 00:14:05,360 --> 00:14:08,920 Speaker 2: haymakers at the at the quarterback get in there, and 272 00:14:09,280 --> 00:14:11,880 Speaker 2: all of a sudden, you know, it's past Rush is 273 00:14:11,880 --> 00:14:13,600 Speaker 2: looking more and more like a strength of this team. 274 00:14:13,920 --> 00:14:16,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, and Alex Right, a lot going to be expected 275 00:14:16,960 --> 00:14:19,920 Speaker 1: of the second year player. I mean, a guy that 276 00:14:19,960 --> 00:14:23,000 Speaker 1: they were high on last year and showed some flashes 277 00:14:23,040 --> 00:14:25,800 Speaker 1: toward the end, but really needs to step up and 278 00:14:25,880 --> 00:14:28,560 Speaker 1: be that guy on the other end. But he's going 279 00:14:28,600 --> 00:14:30,880 Speaker 1: to get the competition from Maguire. 280 00:14:30,800 --> 00:14:33,840 Speaker 2: No doubt. And I think you know, Right was viewed 281 00:14:33,880 --> 00:14:35,800 Speaker 2: as kind of like an upside pick, like you like 282 00:14:35,840 --> 00:14:37,720 Speaker 2: the tools, it's just we have to develop him. And 283 00:14:37,800 --> 00:14:40,840 Speaker 2: so what does year two look like for him? How 284 00:14:40,880 --> 00:14:42,960 Speaker 2: big of a jump has he been able to take 285 00:14:43,280 --> 00:14:46,360 Speaker 2: after one year under his belt, saw some valuable reps, 286 00:14:46,560 --> 00:14:49,560 Speaker 2: had a full off season, So definitely interested to see 287 00:14:49,560 --> 00:14:52,120 Speaker 2: what he looks like once once we get in the 288 00:14:52,120 --> 00:14:55,080 Speaker 2: camp and these guys get back back out there all right. 289 00:14:55,040 --> 00:14:59,000 Speaker 1: In the fourth round to kick off day three, he 290 00:14:59,160 --> 00:15:02,000 Speaker 1: falls to us. He's an enormous human being, but he's 291 00:15:02,040 --> 00:15:05,440 Speaker 1: got a lot, a lot of upside. Dewan Jones from 292 00:15:05,440 --> 00:15:09,720 Speaker 1: Ohio State at the tackle position. A lot has been 293 00:15:09,720 --> 00:15:13,280 Speaker 1: made about him and you know how big he is, 294 00:15:13,480 --> 00:15:17,040 Speaker 1: but he did play basketball. He's a baller and a 295 00:15:17,120 --> 00:15:20,440 Speaker 1: guy that again you can take and given the depth 296 00:15:20,520 --> 00:15:22,760 Speaker 1: you have at the offensive line and with the great 297 00:15:22,800 --> 00:15:26,440 Speaker 1: coaches here in Cleveland, he gets a chance to develop 298 00:15:26,480 --> 00:15:28,920 Speaker 1: and really could amount to something special here for this 299 00:15:28,960 --> 00:15:29,840 Speaker 1: Cleveland Browns team. 300 00:15:30,400 --> 00:15:33,680 Speaker 2: That's the key Coach Callahan, you know, one of the 301 00:15:33,720 --> 00:15:36,840 Speaker 2: best offensive line coaches in the league. You're not making 302 00:15:36,880 --> 00:15:40,120 Speaker 2: this pick unless coach Callahan gives his sign a sign 303 00:15:40,120 --> 00:15:42,480 Speaker 2: off and you know he approves and thinks they can 304 00:15:42,520 --> 00:15:45,600 Speaker 2: develop this player. So it's going to be really interesting 305 00:15:45,640 --> 00:15:48,320 Speaker 2: to see, you know, Jones coming in. What is he 306 00:15:48,440 --> 00:15:50,520 Speaker 2: way in at? Because that's the weight's going to be 307 00:15:50,520 --> 00:15:53,760 Speaker 2: something that's monitored. He was three seventy five at the 308 00:15:53,800 --> 00:15:57,040 Speaker 2: combine and then chose not the workout at or way 309 00:15:57,160 --> 00:15:59,560 Speaker 2: at his pro day, and so you know, how how 310 00:15:59,680 --> 00:16:01,960 Speaker 2: is that you know, going to play into all of 311 00:16:01,960 --> 00:16:04,600 Speaker 2: this with just the weight concerns and you know, making 312 00:16:04,640 --> 00:16:08,040 Speaker 2: sure he's staying conditioned and you know, sometimes you got 313 00:16:08,040 --> 00:16:11,400 Speaker 2: to motivate him and as long as he is locked in, 314 00:16:12,080 --> 00:16:14,360 Speaker 2: this is gonna end up with Lincas Steel. But you know, 315 00:16:14,400 --> 00:16:15,880 Speaker 2: if he's not able to stay locked in, if he 316 00:16:15,880 --> 00:16:18,200 Speaker 2: doesn't take the pro coaching, then you know, all of 317 00:16:18,240 --> 00:16:20,680 Speaker 2: a sudden, it's more of a risky pick, but in 318 00:16:20,720 --> 00:16:24,800 Speaker 2: the fourth round, I think he's well worth that risk. 319 00:16:24,880 --> 00:16:28,120 Speaker 2: You know, the potential reward is something that could really 320 00:16:28,160 --> 00:16:30,040 Speaker 2: pay off because this is another young player still just 321 00:16:30,040 --> 00:16:32,520 Speaker 2: twenty one years old, fourth year senior. Like you said, 322 00:16:32,560 --> 00:16:35,680 Speaker 2: he's a basketball player who I think watching him this year, 323 00:16:35,920 --> 00:16:38,600 Speaker 2: you finally felt like he was turning the corner in 324 00:16:38,680 --> 00:16:43,080 Speaker 2: terms of becoming a true football player. Before he identified 325 00:16:43,080 --> 00:16:46,280 Speaker 2: as a basketball player that's playing football. Now it's all 326 00:16:46,320 --> 00:16:49,720 Speaker 2: about being strictly a football player and nothing else. And 327 00:16:49,760 --> 00:16:52,760 Speaker 2: I think he's still on that journey to becoming that guy. 328 00:16:53,080 --> 00:16:55,440 Speaker 2: But lucky for him, he's coming to a situation where 329 00:16:55,600 --> 00:16:57,440 Speaker 2: he's not going to be asked to start right away. 330 00:16:57,480 --> 00:16:59,920 Speaker 2: He doesn't have to go out there and play valuable 331 00:17:00,560 --> 00:17:02,520 Speaker 2: snaps where you know he's going to see some of 332 00:17:02,560 --> 00:17:06,280 Speaker 2: the NFL's top pass rushers. He can sit, learn and develop, 333 00:17:06,520 --> 00:17:08,200 Speaker 2: and that's a key part of this whole thing. 334 00:17:08,840 --> 00:17:12,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, he'll be one of the more fascinating players to watch. 335 00:17:12,320 --> 00:17:15,080 Speaker 1: You will not miss him on the football field. But 336 00:17:16,400 --> 00:17:19,160 Speaker 1: if he gets it right and takes to the coaching, 337 00:17:19,440 --> 00:17:22,120 Speaker 1: I mean, the sky is the limit for him at 338 00:17:22,119 --> 00:17:24,320 Speaker 1: the tackle position. With a couple you know. I mean 339 00:17:24,640 --> 00:17:26,800 Speaker 1: the Browns picked up the option on Jed Wills. But 340 00:17:27,280 --> 00:17:29,919 Speaker 1: and Jack Conklin is back for a couple more years. 341 00:17:29,920 --> 00:17:32,760 Speaker 1: But Jack Conklin's getting up there in age, and you 342 00:17:32,840 --> 00:17:35,400 Speaker 1: can never have enough bodies in that offensive line room. 343 00:17:35,680 --> 00:17:37,960 Speaker 2: That's it. And in the day three it takes some 344 00:17:38,040 --> 00:17:42,119 Speaker 2: swings and see, you know, give me talent, and you 345 00:17:42,160 --> 00:17:45,040 Speaker 2: know there's risk involved here, there's no doubt. I mean, 346 00:17:45,119 --> 00:17:47,960 Speaker 2: I for me, he was a late too early, third 347 00:17:48,400 --> 00:17:51,439 Speaker 2: round type of player. I'm surprised he felt all the 348 00:17:51,440 --> 00:17:54,480 Speaker 2: way out of Day two just because there's so much 349 00:17:54,520 --> 00:17:57,520 Speaker 2: there to work with. Now. He's not the most nimble mover, 350 00:17:57,720 --> 00:17:58,560 Speaker 2: that's not his game. 351 00:17:58,600 --> 00:17:58,919 Speaker 1: He is. 352 00:17:59,080 --> 00:18:02,400 Speaker 2: He's big, he has you know, the wingspans almost eighty 353 00:18:02,440 --> 00:18:06,439 Speaker 2: eight inches, crazy size and length. But I thought he 354 00:18:06,440 --> 00:18:08,440 Speaker 2: did a really nice job this year with his balance, 355 00:18:09,000 --> 00:18:13,280 Speaker 2: did a much better job closing space, getting out and 356 00:18:13,359 --> 00:18:15,760 Speaker 2: you know, making sure that he's staying in front of 357 00:18:15,760 --> 00:18:18,200 Speaker 2: pass rushers and making it difficult for them to get 358 00:18:18,200 --> 00:18:21,119 Speaker 2: around him. So yes, you know, once he gets his 359 00:18:21,160 --> 00:18:23,400 Speaker 2: hands on you, it's over, especially in the run game. 360 00:18:23,520 --> 00:18:26,520 Speaker 2: So he can be a real masher on the edge. 361 00:18:26,520 --> 00:18:29,560 Speaker 2: So you know, Dwan Jones is a really interesting player. 362 00:18:29,920 --> 00:18:33,159 Speaker 2: And again, if he, you know, grows up in a 363 00:18:33,160 --> 00:18:35,439 Speaker 2: few areas, then all of a sudden, this is going 364 00:18:35,480 --> 00:18:36,240 Speaker 2: to look like a steal. 365 00:18:37,560 --> 00:18:40,399 Speaker 1: At the quarterback position. The Browns had a quarterback, I 366 00:18:40,440 --> 00:18:43,240 Speaker 1: know you had in your mock draft in your seven 367 00:18:43,320 --> 00:18:45,560 Speaker 1: round NCK, you had a quarterback going to the Browns. 368 00:18:46,160 --> 00:18:48,040 Speaker 1: We thought there could be a chance that they could 369 00:18:48,080 --> 00:18:50,760 Speaker 1: add to that room, especially with Josh Dobbs having just 370 00:18:50,840 --> 00:18:53,800 Speaker 1: one year, having a one year deal. Someone's got to 371 00:18:53,800 --> 00:18:56,960 Speaker 1: be behind Deshaan Watson and a guy maybe you can groom, 372 00:18:57,160 --> 00:19:02,040 Speaker 1: and they do that in the fifth round. Dorian Thompson Robinson, 373 00:19:02,280 --> 00:19:05,879 Speaker 1: quarterback from UCLA. Give me one thing that you like 374 00:19:05,920 --> 00:19:07,639 Speaker 1: about him, one thing that he's going to have to 375 00:19:07,680 --> 00:19:08,960 Speaker 1: work on here while he's here. 376 00:19:10,200 --> 00:19:11,840 Speaker 2: I think what I really liked about him is how 377 00:19:11,960 --> 00:19:14,600 Speaker 2: he got better every year, especially this past year as 378 00:19:14,640 --> 00:19:16,439 Speaker 2: a fifth year senior, you know, took advantage of that 379 00:19:16,480 --> 00:19:19,160 Speaker 2: COVID year, goes back to school and had by far 380 00:19:19,359 --> 00:19:23,399 Speaker 2: his best year production wise. I mean, he's he was 381 00:19:23,440 --> 00:19:27,600 Speaker 2: toe for toe with Caleb Williams in that USC game. 382 00:19:28,280 --> 00:19:32,440 Speaker 2: A really tough competitor. So you know, you like the release. 383 00:19:32,480 --> 00:19:34,960 Speaker 2: He's a quick twitch player, both with his feet and 384 00:19:35,000 --> 00:19:38,760 Speaker 2: his arm. You see playmaking instincts. You see a guy 385 00:19:38,840 --> 00:19:42,280 Speaker 2: that has elusive qualities on the move. But he is 386 00:19:42,359 --> 00:19:44,760 Speaker 2: a guy that will you know, wants to push the 387 00:19:44,800 --> 00:19:47,080 Speaker 2: ball with his arm. You know, he's not a running 388 00:19:47,119 --> 00:19:50,560 Speaker 2: quarterback who you know, also happens to throw. The toughness 389 00:19:50,640 --> 00:19:52,919 Speaker 2: is off the charts, so there's a lot to like 390 00:19:52,920 --> 00:19:55,560 Speaker 2: about what he brings. Now, he's a little bit smaller 391 00:19:55,560 --> 00:19:58,200 Speaker 2: than you like, he's almost six y two, but he's 392 00:19:58,240 --> 00:20:00,320 Speaker 2: you know, right around two hundred and five pounds, so 393 00:20:00,560 --> 00:20:03,320 Speaker 2: you know, he he doesn't have necessarily the build that 394 00:20:03,359 --> 00:20:06,119 Speaker 2: you want. I think it really just comes down to, 395 00:20:06,280 --> 00:20:09,119 Speaker 2: you know, while he has the toughness, he has some 396 00:20:09,160 --> 00:20:12,000 Speaker 2: of the playmaking instincts that you want, he needs to 397 00:20:12,040 --> 00:20:15,160 Speaker 2: do a better job with taking care of the football 398 00:20:15,400 --> 00:20:19,600 Speaker 2: and answering pressure, so negotiating what the pass rusher is 399 00:20:19,640 --> 00:20:22,560 Speaker 2: doing and making sure he's making sound decisions. So I 400 00:20:22,840 --> 00:20:25,359 Speaker 2: just I think that you know, maybe you know, fans 401 00:20:25,359 --> 00:20:27,760 Speaker 2: and all of us know under rate how important that 402 00:20:27,840 --> 00:20:30,480 Speaker 2: QB two is on the roster, and you know the 403 00:20:30,520 --> 00:20:34,920 Speaker 2: Browns have obviously you know, with Seahn Watson and his contract, 404 00:20:34,920 --> 00:20:37,600 Speaker 2: it's important that you have maybe some cheaper options at 405 00:20:37,640 --> 00:20:40,600 Speaker 2: the backup quarterback spot. You have a guy in Thompson 406 00:20:40,680 --> 00:20:42,520 Speaker 2: Robinson who they believe can be that guy. 407 00:20:43,040 --> 00:20:45,439 Speaker 1: Yeah, it'll be nice. It'll be nice to see him develop. 408 00:20:45,520 --> 00:20:48,359 Speaker 1: You mentioned that game against USC. I mean, he was 409 00:20:48,440 --> 00:20:51,639 Speaker 1: dinged up, he got bruised and battered, just kept getting 410 00:20:51,720 --> 00:20:55,760 Speaker 1: back up and it was a total knockdown slug fest 411 00:20:55,840 --> 00:20:59,439 Speaker 1: for four quarters. So it was to see. And I 412 00:20:59,480 --> 00:21:03,480 Speaker 1: know he he threw all over my bowling green falcons. Happens. 413 00:21:03,520 --> 00:21:05,920 Speaker 1: It's not the first time. It probably be the last. 414 00:21:06,480 --> 00:21:09,639 Speaker 1: UH in the fifth route as well. Cameron Mitchell H 415 00:21:10,040 --> 00:21:13,800 Speaker 1: Corner out of Northwestern. Greg Newsom obviously pretty excited to 416 00:21:13,800 --> 00:21:17,600 Speaker 1: get one of his college teammates on this football team. 417 00:21:17,600 --> 00:21:21,719 Speaker 1: But again it's a guy that if you know, he 418 00:21:21,760 --> 00:21:24,080 Speaker 1: doesn't have to play right away, given the room, and 419 00:21:24,119 --> 00:21:27,040 Speaker 1: he can develop. But he has shown some flashes as. 420 00:21:26,960 --> 00:21:29,760 Speaker 2: Well, no doubt. And I talked to him on the 421 00:21:29,760 --> 00:21:32,119 Speaker 2: phone about a month ago, just kind of getting some 422 00:21:32,200 --> 00:21:34,880 Speaker 2: late information from him and you know, learning more about him. 423 00:21:34,880 --> 00:21:37,080 Speaker 2: And you know, he really talked about Newsom as a 424 00:21:37,119 --> 00:21:40,080 Speaker 2: guy that helped him, you know, when he got through Northwestern. 425 00:21:40,240 --> 00:21:43,280 Speaker 2: Really you know, he's a close friendship with him, still talks. 426 00:21:43,840 --> 00:21:46,000 Speaker 2: You know, they have a close friendship and so obviously 427 00:21:46,040 --> 00:21:48,200 Speaker 2: you know there that has been pretty special for those 428 00:21:48,240 --> 00:21:51,080 Speaker 2: two to be teammates again. So you know, you love 429 00:21:51,080 --> 00:21:53,679 Speaker 2: the competitiveness that he plays with. He's an athletic player. 430 00:21:54,520 --> 00:21:56,320 Speaker 2: You know, he might he's one of these guys that 431 00:21:56,400 --> 00:21:58,800 Speaker 2: might not have an elite treat, but he's pretty good 432 00:21:58,840 --> 00:22:01,760 Speaker 2: across the board. So you know a guy that you know, 433 00:22:01,840 --> 00:22:06,320 Speaker 2: athleticism check, aggressiveness check. You want to see him, you know, 434 00:22:06,480 --> 00:22:10,560 Speaker 2: play man okay zoned yes inside outside. I mean, he 435 00:22:10,640 --> 00:22:13,919 Speaker 2: has a lot of those qualities and maybe maybe not 436 00:22:14,000 --> 00:22:16,960 Speaker 2: a quick twitch burst kind of kind of athlete, but 437 00:22:17,200 --> 00:22:21,040 Speaker 2: he stays within you know, close contact with receivers. He 438 00:22:21,040 --> 00:22:23,879 Speaker 2: does a really nice job with his coverage, and you 439 00:22:23,920 --> 00:22:27,800 Speaker 2: know he's you know, very his technique matters to him, 440 00:22:27,880 --> 00:22:29,960 Speaker 2: you know, and so he can see the way he 441 00:22:30,040 --> 00:22:33,119 Speaker 2: reads things and the way he uses his footwork. You know, 442 00:22:33,160 --> 00:22:34,800 Speaker 2: this is a guy that that's ready to be a pro. 443 00:22:34,880 --> 00:22:37,520 Speaker 2: He made my top one hundred for a reason. You know, 444 00:22:37,560 --> 00:22:39,360 Speaker 2: I think he's a guy that the ended up going 445 00:22:39,400 --> 00:22:41,919 Speaker 2: a little bit later than we thought, but could end 446 00:22:42,000 --> 00:22:42,800 Speaker 2: up being a steal. 447 00:22:42,640 --> 00:22:46,080 Speaker 1: For the Browns. I like to hear that Luke Whippler 448 00:22:46,280 --> 00:22:50,480 Speaker 1: final Browns pick, sixth rounder center from Ohio State, a 449 00:22:50,600 --> 00:22:52,919 Speaker 1: guy that I think many in Columbus thought was going 450 00:22:53,000 --> 00:22:55,240 Speaker 1: to come back. They were surprised that he that he 451 00:22:55,400 --> 00:23:00,600 Speaker 1: came out. They thought maybe another year under the tutelage 452 00:23:00,600 --> 00:23:03,000 Speaker 1: of Ryan Day and company, he might be as high 453 00:23:03,040 --> 00:23:06,520 Speaker 1: as a first or second round pick. Instead, he goes 454 00:23:06,680 --> 00:23:10,120 Speaker 1: in the sixth round to the Cleveland Browns and all 455 00:23:10,160 --> 00:23:13,240 Speaker 1: signs are you were just talking about Mitchell and and 456 00:23:13,520 --> 00:23:16,359 Speaker 1: what a great student of the game he is. Whipler 457 00:23:16,560 --> 00:23:17,200 Speaker 1: the same thing. 458 00:23:18,000 --> 00:23:20,240 Speaker 2: Whipler wants to be great. You know, he doesn't want 459 00:23:20,240 --> 00:23:22,120 Speaker 2: to be good, he wants to be great. And six 460 00:23:22,280 --> 00:23:25,720 Speaker 2: three three h five. You know, I gave him an 461 00:23:25,760 --> 00:23:28,080 Speaker 2: early fifth round grade, so he went just a little 462 00:23:28,080 --> 00:23:31,280 Speaker 2: bit later than I thought he would. But yeah, I agree, 463 00:23:31,400 --> 00:23:34,440 Speaker 2: this is a young player who really should have gone 464 00:23:34,440 --> 00:23:37,200 Speaker 2: back for another year to get better before making that junk. 465 00:23:37,240 --> 00:23:39,440 Speaker 2: But he felt he was ready. And now it's it's 466 00:23:39,440 --> 00:23:41,200 Speaker 2: on him. You know, it's it's to go to camp 467 00:23:41,240 --> 00:23:43,600 Speaker 2: and you know you're gonna be duking it out with 468 00:23:44,440 --> 00:23:48,000 Speaker 2: NFL pros, and you know, really it's your chance to 469 00:23:48,000 --> 00:23:51,159 Speaker 2: make your mark. So he's a really good athlete, you know, 470 00:23:51,200 --> 00:23:54,040 Speaker 2: I think of like a like a Garrett Bradberry type, 471 00:23:54,640 --> 00:23:57,000 Speaker 2: and with the way he moves and some of the range, 472 00:23:57,960 --> 00:23:59,919 Speaker 2: I like his fit with this offense. You think of, 473 00:24:00,040 --> 00:24:03,280 Speaker 2: oh everything they want to be with his offense. Whippler 474 00:24:03,320 --> 00:24:06,239 Speaker 2: fits that mold. So you find a guy like this 475 00:24:06,400 --> 00:24:09,920 Speaker 2: that down the has down the road starting potential. I 476 00:24:09,960 --> 00:24:11,480 Speaker 2: mean it's a heck of a pick of the sixth round. 477 00:24:12,320 --> 00:24:15,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, it definitely is. And the Browns do us a 478 00:24:15,840 --> 00:24:19,560 Speaker 1: favor by trading out of that seventh round pick, which 479 00:24:19,600 --> 00:24:21,719 Speaker 1: is always good on a Saturday. However, they do it 480 00:24:21,720 --> 00:24:25,679 Speaker 1: with the rival in their division in Baltimore. You're a 481 00:24:25,680 --> 00:24:29,359 Speaker 1: former NFL scout too, are you surprised at the number 482 00:24:29,359 --> 00:24:33,600 Speaker 1: of trades made this year by teams within the same divisions? 483 00:24:33,680 --> 00:24:38,280 Speaker 1: Like we saw the Patriots Jets make deals, The Browns 484 00:24:38,280 --> 00:24:42,159 Speaker 1: and Ravens made deals, you know, I mean as probably 485 00:24:42,200 --> 00:24:44,959 Speaker 1: six years ago, five years ago, I mean it was 486 00:24:45,480 --> 00:24:46,879 Speaker 1: it was against the law. 487 00:24:47,720 --> 00:24:52,520 Speaker 2: To trade, right, Yeah, I mean last year, I know, 488 00:24:53,040 --> 00:24:55,639 Speaker 2: we saw like you know, the Lions trading up with 489 00:24:55,720 --> 00:24:59,520 Speaker 2: the Vikings, and you know, Lions and Packers are making 490 00:24:59,520 --> 00:25:02,240 Speaker 2: a move I mean it's I think it's more accepted, 491 00:25:02,760 --> 00:25:07,200 Speaker 2: you know, in today's NFL, just because you know, maybe 492 00:25:07,240 --> 00:25:10,639 Speaker 2: it's just audacity that teams feel like they they're getting 493 00:25:10,640 --> 00:25:12,920 Speaker 2: the better side of the deal that you know, heck, yeah, 494 00:25:12,960 --> 00:25:14,360 Speaker 2: I'll make a deal with you. I feel like I'm 495 00:25:14,359 --> 00:25:17,320 Speaker 2: coming out on top. But at the same time, you 496 00:25:17,320 --> 00:25:20,600 Speaker 2: know what the teams are on different you know, draft 497 00:25:20,600 --> 00:25:24,000 Speaker 2: boards look differently, and so you know, if the Browns 498 00:25:24,080 --> 00:25:25,919 Speaker 2: might have been tapped out in terms of guys they 499 00:25:26,040 --> 00:25:30,159 Speaker 2: really felt were draftable, where you know, the Ravens, you know, 500 00:25:30,280 --> 00:25:32,000 Speaker 2: or on the other side of that. So you know, 501 00:25:32,080 --> 00:25:35,960 Speaker 2: it's being open minded to deals no matter who you're 502 00:25:35,960 --> 00:25:39,520 Speaker 2: trading with. It's always good business. So you know, good 503 00:25:39,560 --> 00:25:41,400 Speaker 2: good to see that going on in the NFL. 504 00:25:41,960 --> 00:25:45,520 Speaker 1: All right, big picture NFL draft wise, the entire twenty 505 00:25:45,600 --> 00:25:49,320 Speaker 1: twenty three NFL Draft. One year from now, what will 506 00:25:49,400 --> 00:25:51,480 Speaker 1: we be talking about this class. 507 00:25:52,119 --> 00:25:54,600 Speaker 2: I mean, it's gonna be the quarterbacks. You know, Bryce, 508 00:25:54,640 --> 00:25:56,720 Speaker 2: you own, CJ. Stroud. I think there's a good chance 509 00:25:56,760 --> 00:25:59,800 Speaker 2: we see both these guys start from day one. And 510 00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:03,639 Speaker 2: when does Anthony Richardson get on the field for Indianapolis Colts? 511 00:26:04,119 --> 00:26:06,600 Speaker 2: When does Will Levice get on the field for the 512 00:26:06,640 --> 00:26:08,640 Speaker 2: Tennessee Titans. Does he get on the field at all? 513 00:26:08,880 --> 00:26:12,880 Speaker 2: So we'll see Richardson at some point, but you know when, 514 00:26:13,000 --> 00:26:15,240 Speaker 2: when will the Colts feel comfortable putting him out there? 515 00:26:15,359 --> 00:26:18,080 Speaker 2: And how does he look? He's still twenty years old, 516 00:26:18,160 --> 00:26:21,920 Speaker 2: young player, so quarterbacks are always going to command the headlines. 517 00:26:22,440 --> 00:26:24,639 Speaker 2: That will be any different as we look back at 518 00:26:24,640 --> 00:26:27,520 Speaker 2: this class, and you know it'll be something one of 519 00:26:27,520 --> 00:26:29,240 Speaker 2: those key storylines moving forward. 520 00:26:30,920 --> 00:26:35,160 Speaker 1: Final thoughts from you on this year from a draft perspective, 521 00:26:35,240 --> 00:26:39,399 Speaker 1: what takeaway is there one moment that stands out to 522 00:26:39,440 --> 00:26:41,040 Speaker 1: you from this past weekend's draft. 523 00:26:41,800 --> 00:26:43,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, it was a lot of fun doing the first 524 00:26:43,320 --> 00:26:46,560 Speaker 2: round because a lot happened that we expected to happen. 525 00:26:46,800 --> 00:26:49,040 Speaker 2: But you look at how aggressive the Texans were going 526 00:26:49,080 --> 00:26:52,640 Speaker 2: up to get the pass rusher after drafting Stroud. How 527 00:26:52,720 --> 00:26:54,639 Speaker 2: is that going to play out moving forward? Giving him 528 00:26:54,680 --> 00:26:57,880 Speaker 2: a future first round pick. You know the Cardinals next year, 529 00:26:57,960 --> 00:27:01,840 Speaker 2: they could have two top five next year's draft. So 530 00:27:02,080 --> 00:27:04,399 Speaker 2: the long term repercussions of that move, what does that 531 00:27:04,480 --> 00:27:09,720 Speaker 2: look like? The two running backs going top twelve always interesting, 532 00:27:10,160 --> 00:27:12,840 Speaker 2: especially when the Lions that was a big surprise. Did 533 00:27:12,920 --> 00:27:16,080 Speaker 2: not expect that coming, so you know, a lot of surprises. 534 00:27:16,119 --> 00:27:18,800 Speaker 2: Best way we love the draft. You know, all these surprises, 535 00:27:18,840 --> 00:27:22,600 Speaker 2: all these things we thought maybe could happen, but seeing 536 00:27:22,600 --> 00:27:26,119 Speaker 2: it actually play out is the unpredictable nature of the draft. 537 00:27:26,240 --> 00:27:27,520 Speaker 2: And that's why we love it so much. 538 00:27:28,359 --> 00:27:32,959 Speaker 1: And we love you, man. Fantastic job with the Beast again. 539 00:27:34,240 --> 00:27:36,640 Speaker 1: Get a subscription to the Athletics. There's some really great 540 00:27:36,640 --> 00:27:39,840 Speaker 1: stuff on the Athletic and you get the copy of 541 00:27:39,880 --> 00:27:42,040 Speaker 1: The Beast and you get to learn all about all 542 00:27:42,080 --> 00:27:45,760 Speaker 1: of these guys and literally every single player in the draft, 543 00:27:46,040 --> 00:27:47,920 Speaker 1: all the undrafted free agents that are going to be 544 00:27:47,920 --> 00:27:54,879 Speaker 1: announced sooner rather than later. BB Brugler, get some rest. Okay, kids, 545 00:27:54,880 --> 00:27:57,880 Speaker 1: teams up, get the baseball team right, get the softball 546 00:27:57,880 --> 00:28:01,240 Speaker 1: team right, Get a little breather, and I know you'll 547 00:28:01,240 --> 00:28:03,520 Speaker 1: be back at it before we know it. Appreciate the 548 00:28:03,600 --> 00:28:06,040 Speaker 1: time and wish you all the best here in the 549 00:28:06,040 --> 00:28:09,520 Speaker 1: off season, and go reacclimate yourself to your family for 550 00:28:09,560 --> 00:28:10,199 Speaker 1: a few months. 551 00:28:10,440 --> 00:28:12,840 Speaker 2: Thank you, man, pleasure is all mine. I always appreciate 552 00:28:12,920 --> 00:28:13,359 Speaker 2: talking to you. 553 00:28:14,040 --> 00:28:17,399 Speaker 1: Dane Brugler officially going into hiding for the next few 554 00:28:17,400 --> 00:28:21,080 Speaker 1: months here and back to his family and deservedly so 555 00:28:21,280 --> 00:28:25,800 Speaker 1: after a fantastic job three hundred and eight pages worth 556 00:28:25,800 --> 00:28:28,800 Speaker 1: of information in that Draft guide, the Beast, I'd recommend 557 00:28:28,840 --> 00:28:32,720 Speaker 1: getting it today, especially once the Browns officially announced our 558 00:28:32,840 --> 00:28:35,439 Speaker 1: undrafted free agent list. You're going to want to know 559 00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:38,240 Speaker 1: who some of those guys are. And the draft guide 560 00:28:38,280 --> 00:28:41,040 Speaker 1: and the Beast, the Dane Brugler puts out, we'll give 561 00:28:41,040 --> 00:28:44,520 Speaker 1: you all that information and then some looking ahead to 562 00:28:44,560 --> 00:28:48,440 Speaker 1: twenty twenty four. The Browns with eight draft picks, a 563 00:28:48,520 --> 00:28:52,280 Speaker 1: second rounder, a third rounder, two fives, two six's, and 564 00:28:52,320 --> 00:28:54,920 Speaker 1: two sevens. Mister Barry, if you could get rid of 565 00:28:54,960 --> 00:28:57,600 Speaker 1: those two sevens, we would greatly appreciate it. From a 566 00:28:57,640 --> 00:29:00,280 Speaker 1: content and production side of things, we can start that 567 00:29:00,320 --> 00:29:03,719 Speaker 1: process now. That'd be great. Coming up next. From a 568 00:29:03,800 --> 00:29:07,840 Speaker 1: schedule standpoint, where do we go from here? Well, May eleventh, 569 00:29:07,920 --> 00:29:12,360 Speaker 1: reportedly from Adam Schefter at ESPN, the schedule will come out, 570 00:29:12,760 --> 00:29:15,480 Speaker 1: and it will be out probably about eight o'clock at night. 571 00:29:15,600 --> 00:29:18,760 Speaker 1: When it does come out, knock on wood Browns with 572 00:29:18,800 --> 00:29:21,440 Speaker 1: a lot of West Coast road trips, and we'll see 573 00:29:21,480 --> 00:29:25,800 Speaker 1: how many primetime games are in our future. And then 574 00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:29,680 Speaker 1: the day after the schedule release reportedly happens May twelfth 575 00:29:29,720 --> 00:29:32,400 Speaker 1: through the fourteenth, all of the rookie class will be 576 00:29:32,560 --> 00:29:36,040 Speaker 1: here in Burrie at the Cross Country Mortgage Campus. It's 577 00:29:36,120 --> 00:29:38,920 Speaker 1: Rookie Mini Camp weekend, a great chance for a lot 578 00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:42,320 Speaker 1: of the players to get really some almost one on 579 00:29:42,320 --> 00:29:46,440 Speaker 1: one coaching from their position coaches. The rookies will be 580 00:29:46,560 --> 00:29:50,880 Speaker 1: here May twelfth through the fourteenth, they'll get their playbooks 581 00:29:50,960 --> 00:29:53,480 Speaker 1: and they'll start getting ready for the twenty twenty three 582 00:29:53,920 --> 00:29:57,280 Speaker 1: NFL season. But before that, we still are in the 583 00:29:57,320 --> 00:30:00,320 Speaker 1: off season program. We're in Phase two for the veterans, 584 00:30:00,560 --> 00:30:03,160 Speaker 1: working our way to that first week in June and 585 00:30:03,280 --> 00:30:07,360 Speaker 1: mandatory mini camp before the guys disperse for a brief 586 00:30:07,400 --> 00:30:10,240 Speaker 1: summer vacation and I do mean brief, and then we're 587 00:30:10,280 --> 00:30:13,040 Speaker 1: all back in mid July to get things going for 588 00:30:13,120 --> 00:30:16,479 Speaker 1: the twenty twenty three season. Shout out to Anthony Baco 589 00:30:16,560 --> 00:30:19,240 Speaker 1: for all of his hard work and help this week 590 00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:23,360 Speaker 1: Yellowstone as well for some of his work behind the 591 00:30:23,400 --> 00:30:26,800 Speaker 1: scenes making sure that we're up and running and sounding 592 00:30:26,840 --> 00:30:30,200 Speaker 1: and looking good. Want to thank Dan Brugler, the premiere 593 00:30:30,400 --> 00:30:34,280 Speaker 1: draft analyst in our eyes. He's done a lot of 594 00:30:34,280 --> 00:30:37,120 Speaker 1: work here for the Browns. You can catch him on 595 00:30:37,200 --> 00:30:40,000 Speaker 1: all of our social media platforms. You can catch him 596 00:30:40,040 --> 00:30:43,080 Speaker 1: on Browns Daily. You can catch him on the BPA, 597 00:30:43,360 --> 00:30:47,280 Speaker 1: past episodes and his breakdowns of some of the best 598 00:30:47,320 --> 00:30:50,680 Speaker 1: players that were available to the Browns on Day two 599 00:30:51,280 --> 00:30:56,640 Speaker 1: and Day three at YouTube dot com slash Browns. I'm 600 00:30:56,720 --> 00:30:59,640 Speaker 1: Jason Gibbs. We are back with you next week for 601 00:30:59,680 --> 00:31:03,600 Speaker 1: another episode of the best podcast available. Thanks for watching, 602 00:31:03,960 --> 00:31:07,200 Speaker 1: Thanks for listening to the best podcast available.