WEBVTT - Why Garden Cities Aren't Enough ft. Andrew

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<v Speaker 1>Hello and welcome. It could happen here with me Andrew

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<v Speaker 1>of the YouTube channel andrewism and today I'm joined by

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<v Speaker 1>Miya and care Hello. Hello, Hello, Hello, and I want

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<v Speaker 1>to talk about cities because I very recently published a

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<v Speaker 1>video on Sula Punk City Planet. I mean, I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know why you're all gonna hear this podcast, but I

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<v Speaker 1>did recently publish it, and you can check that out

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<v Speaker 1>of my channel. And I thought i'd share a bit

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<v Speaker 1>about a bit more about one particular historical urban planet

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<v Speaker 1>movement that I talk about in that video, and that

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<v Speaker 1>is Ebanez A. Howard's Garden Cities movement and his book

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<v Speaker 1>Garden Cities of Tomorrow. Are all familiar with either, No,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think so. Yeah, so Ebane's A Howard. Side note,

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<v Speaker 1>by the way, I don't know who looks at a

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<v Speaker 1>child and names them Abnez A. Howard, But he presented

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<v Speaker 1>this idea of the garden city concept in eighteen ninety

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<v Speaker 1>eight in a book called Tomorrow, A Peaceful Path through

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<v Speaker 1>Real Reform. Later he republished in nineteen or two under

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<v Speaker 1>the name of Garden Cities or Tomorrow, and take notes

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<v Speaker 1>in the title of the book of the use of

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<v Speaker 1>reform and peaceful path because it does highlight a noticeable

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<v Speaker 1>lack within Howard's vision that will discuss later. He wants

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<v Speaker 1>to provide access to the benefits of both town living

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<v Speaker 1>and a country living. As he describes, a town and

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<v Speaker 1>country are like magnets drawing people to them, you know. So,

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<v Speaker 1>According to him, town offers vibrant society and opportunity and transportation,

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<v Speaker 1>but it lacks the beauty of nature. It has pollution,

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<v Speaker 1>and has crowded, it has disease. I mean, this is

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<v Speaker 1>Victoria and era cities. He's talking about place with stink

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<v Speaker 1>um in contrast, and the country and country offers the

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<v Speaker 1>space and the beauty of nature and it's abundance, but

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<v Speaker 1>it lacks society and it can feel isolated, and it

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<v Speaker 1>really spread out. So you wanted to create a hybrid

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<v Speaker 1>of both concepts, a third magnet of town country, the

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<v Speaker 1>combined the benefits of both. I believe the secret. Sorry,

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<v Speaker 1>I have to. I have to jump in here and

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<v Speaker 1>make a secret, secret third thing. Yes, yes, thank you, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that country, but a secret third thing. We fulfilled our

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<v Speaker 1>We fulfilled our contractual obligations. One joke, all right, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>got a side optical, Andrew, you take it from here.

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<v Speaker 1>So yeah, a secret third thing, how I would believe

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<v Speaker 1>that the ideal living conditions for people of all economic

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<v Speaker 1>backgrounds could be created by establishing these town country cities

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<v Speaker 1>with very specific parameters, run by strong government institutions. And

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<v Speaker 1>Ebenezer Howard's context. Again, no offense to the ebenez As

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<v Speaker 1>the world. But jeez, I can't. I can't let go

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<v Speaker 1>of those amplications. I think I think we need to

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<v Speaker 1>bring back the name Ebenezer. Actually it's it's it's been

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<v Speaker 1>too long since I've seen an infant named Ebenezer, meaning

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<v Speaker 1>I've never seen one. I think I feel like we

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<v Speaker 1>should see more. Just absolutely absurd. All the timing names.

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<v Speaker 1>What do you what do you call the baby? Do

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<v Speaker 1>you call them ebby or something like? How do you

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<v Speaker 1>call the baby Ebenezer? The baby's name? Why would you

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<v Speaker 1>you call it the baby's name? You could call it Nieza.

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<v Speaker 1>You could eventually call it Weezaks, horrible nickname. That is awful.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, that is okay. I'm here on the amplications.

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<v Speaker 1>I do never I never want to hear that again. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I digress Howard's writing. I'm just gonna call them. Howard

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<v Speaker 1>Howard's Rights in Journey Revolution was in response to well

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<v Speaker 1>the Industrial Revolution, response to the urban slums, the pollution,

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<v Speaker 1>the lack of access to the countryside, and much of

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<v Speaker 1>his book is dedicated the idea that cities as they

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<v Speaker 1>existed in his time were not sustainable in the long run.

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<v Speaker 1>By the middle of the nineteenth century, over half of

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<v Speaker 1>Britain's population lived in towns, and in nineteen hundred that

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<v Speaker 1>proportion had a resun to over three quarters. But English

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<v Speaker 1>towns and cities presented social environmental problems of an unprecedented scale,

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<v Speaker 1>and much of Britain's history in that period could be

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<v Speaker 1>connected with the efforts to ameliorate the frightening conditions that

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of people lived in. When it comes to

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<v Speaker 1>the design, Howard wanted to create these highly structured, carefully

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<v Speaker 1>laid out communities to provide the best conditions possible for

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<v Speaker 1>every kind of person he saw. He wanted to put

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<v Speaker 1>just like large areas of land from aristocratic owners as

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<v Speaker 1>a setting up garden cities that would house up to

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<v Speaker 1>thirty two thousand people in individual homes on six thousand acres.

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<v Speaker 1>And that whole vision of individual homes is I think

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<v Speaker 1>it belies a limitation the imagination there, but it's it's

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<v Speaker 1>someone understandable considering the historical conditions at the time, where

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<v Speaker 1>people were living in these overcrowded slums and stuff, and

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<v Speaker 1>the dream was really to have a home of your

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<v Speaker 1>own that you didn't have to crowd out. It didn't

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<v Speaker 1>be crowded, you couldn't have to share with others. But anyway,

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<v Speaker 1>I think a sustainable city should trade the sprawl that

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<v Speaker 1>single family homes generate for more dense development. For the

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<v Speaker 1>most part, that is, but I digress once again. That's

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<v Speaker 1>not all his plan entailed. His garden cities would also

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<v Speaker 1>include a huge public garden with public buildings like a

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<v Speaker 1>town hall, lecture halls, theaters, and a hospitepital, an enormous

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<v Speaker 1>arcade called the Crystal Palace not arcadies in video game,

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<v Speaker 1>where residents would browse covered market and enjoy a winter garden,

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<v Speaker 1>neighborhoods with cooperative kitchens and shared gardens, schools, playgrounds and churches, factories, warehouses, farms, workshops,

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<v Speaker 1>and access to a train line. In its ideal form,

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<v Speaker 1>the garden city to become a network of smaller garden

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<v Speaker 1>cities built around the larger central town. The idealized vision

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<v Speaker 1>of the garden city contained very specific utopian elements, like

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<v Speaker 1>small communities planned on a concentric pattern that an accommodated

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<v Speaker 1>housing industry and agriculture surrounded by green belts that would

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<v Speaker 1>limit their growth. Now, there's a diagram that he did

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<v Speaker 1>up for his book that has been popularized that represents

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<v Speaker 1>like a sort of a concentric circle design. But he

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<v Speaker 1>didn't believe that that necessarily had to be the shape

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<v Speaker 1>of the garden city. He still wanted the city to

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<v Speaker 1>be adapted to the local layout somewhat. And these elements

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<v Speaker 1>of garden city design were all into dependent you know.

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<v Speaker 1>He wanted strong community engagement, he wanted community ownership of land.

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<v Speaker 1>Although he wasn't a socialist, mind you. He was a Georgeist.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh god, wait, that explains it. That explains so much

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<v Speaker 1>about all of his politics. Of course, he was a Georgist. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>quite an interesting crew of characters. He wanted mixed ten

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<v Speaker 1>year homes and homes in types that were generally affordable.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, to go on another digression, I find georgis

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<v Speaker 1>Owe to be such an interesting fixation of a philosophy.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like, you know, looking all the problems in society,

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<v Speaker 1>and you know what, we need a land tax. That'll

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<v Speaker 1>salt thing. I mean, obviously that's not all it is,

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<v Speaker 1>to the to the that political philosophy, that economic approach.

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<v Speaker 1>But I just found I just find it every time

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<v Speaker 1>I think about it. I find it funny that it

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<v Speaker 1>was just really like the whole movement was basically this

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<v Speaker 1>one like um tax proposal. It's really that was the

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<v Speaker 1>whole focus of it. Yeah, it's really funny too, because

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<v Speaker 1>I mean it has one of the sort of largest

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<v Speaker 1>like collapses of any ideology ever. Like it is like

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<v Speaker 1>it was just a very like very it was. It

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<v Speaker 1>was a big It was a big ideology. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>it literally helped to develop the game, the board game

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<v Speaker 1>and plea, you know what. It's like, it was a

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<v Speaker 1>huge thing. This is something I've actually been looking into

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<v Speaker 1>a lot. But I've been trying to track down some

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<v Speaker 1>of the original like nineteen twenties copies of Monopoly that's

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<v Speaker 1>more based on the second game. Yes, I've been trying

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<v Speaker 1>to find the ones that were like pre pre pre

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<v Speaker 1>Parker Brothers um and I've I've I found I found

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<v Speaker 1>a few, a few, I found a few like two

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<v Speaker 1>months ago, but before I could order them, it was

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<v Speaker 1>sold to somebody else on eBay. So I've been trying

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<v Speaker 1>to track down another another one in the UH in

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<v Speaker 1>the past few months, and it's been a bit more challenging,

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<v Speaker 1>just because I'm kind of a monopoly freak. Yeah, it's

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<v Speaker 1>um it's really interesting to see how um that game

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<v Speaker 1>was developed and then changed over time, and how Hasbur

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<v Speaker 1>was stepped in? Isn't Hosbur Poker Brothers without was stepped in?

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<v Speaker 1>And did there do to kind of basically rewrote the

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<v Speaker 1>history of the board game entirely. Yeah, but anyway. Elements

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<v Speaker 1>to the Garden City strong community engagement, communitytionship with land,

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<v Speaker 1>mixed tenure homes, homes in type so generally affordable, a

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<v Speaker 1>wide range of local jobs with easy commuting distances of homes,

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<v Speaker 1>well designed homes with gardens combining the best of town

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<v Speaker 1>and country, and green infrastructure that enhances a natural environment,

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<v Speaker 1>with strong cultural, recreational and shopping facilities in addition to

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<v Speaker 1>integrated and accessible transportation. It's not all sunshine and roses, though,

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<v Speaker 1>I Mean you could look at the sort of the

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<v Speaker 1>cream washing elements of the Garden City design and even

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<v Speaker 1>in the time they were criticized. I mean, they were

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<v Speaker 1>praised for being an alternative to the overcrowed industrial cities,

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<v Speaker 1>but they were also criticized for damage in the economy,

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<v Speaker 1>being destructive to the beauty of nature, and being inconvenient.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, they weren't able to be Furthermore, because they

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<v Speaker 1>had this sort of top down design philosophy, they weren't

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<v Speaker 1>able to truly reflect the natural and organic developments of

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<v Speaker 1>a town or a country, you know, so secretly thing

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<v Speaker 1>couldn't do either other things that the original two stuff

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<v Speaker 1>could do. And then of course you have the mustached

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<v Speaker 1>man himself, Marie Bucchin, stepping in in the limits of

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<v Speaker 1>the city to evicerate the idea of the garden city.

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<v Speaker 1>He talks about how Howard's scheme was basically a system

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<v Speaker 1>of benevolent capitalism that presumed to avoid the extremes of

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<v Speaker 1>communism and individualism, and as a result, his entire book

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<v Speaker 1>was quote permeated by an underlying assumption. So typically British

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<v Speaker 1>that are compromise going to be struck between an intrinsically

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<v Speaker 1>irrational material reality and a moral ideology of high minded conciliation.

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<v Speaker 1>Microst Yeah, I feel like the most brutal part of

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<v Speaker 1>that is just the typically British. Yeah, I mean anything learning.

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<v Speaker 1>Look at really the plan that Howard had, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>the offices and industrial factories and shopping centers that he

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<v Speaker 1>intended to provide the garden city with. Those spaces are

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<v Speaker 1>battlegrounds of conflicting social interests. You know, there's alienated labor,

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<v Speaker 1>their income differences, their disparities of work time and free time.

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<v Speaker 1>All all that conflict is not addressed just because you

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<v Speaker 1>make a pretty city. You know, there's no resolution to

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<v Speaker 1>the problems created under a capitalist factory office or shopping

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<v Speaker 1>center just because you have a nice transit system and

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<v Speaker 1>a green belt. I feel like some of some of

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<v Speaker 1>these same problems to crop up on some of the

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<v Speaker 1>solar punk stuff online as well. I mean we've an

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<v Speaker 1>attacked him definitely greenwashing throughout the solar punk aesthetic and stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>But yeah, I mean it is it is an interesting,

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<v Speaker 1>an interesting, interesting aspect that keeps propping up, and it's

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<v Speaker 1>just intriguing that it like dates back over a hundred

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<v Speaker 1>years ago, like this same exact thing. Yeah, exactly, and

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<v Speaker 1>funny enough, you know, his garden cities we even fallen

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<v Speaker 1>short of utopias that were thought of before his time,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, like not even just utopias, but also actual

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<v Speaker 1>historical political experiments that you try to address various social problems,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, Like unlike the Greek polis, which had some

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<v Speaker 1>basis of face to face democracy, Howard just had a

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<v Speaker 1>central council and a department structure based on elections. Unlike

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<v Speaker 1>in Thomas Moore's utopia, there's no proposal for rotating agricultural

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<v Speaker 1>and industrial work. Unlike the Paris Commune of eighteen seventy one,

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<v Speaker 1>which was established long before Howard wrote his book, he

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<v Speaker 1>had no sort of incorporation of that sort of political

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<v Speaker 1>experimentation in the Garden city development. The criticism really is

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<v Speaker 1>how superficial a lot of howards ideas are, right, Like,

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<v Speaker 1>there was just a lack of social analysis analysis in

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<v Speaker 1>favor of just design. Yeah, Georgism, Like sure it would

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<v Speaker 1>probably be like better than what we have now. Well yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>but but it by no means like fixes all of

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<v Speaker 1>the systemic issue. It's like Amsterdam, right, I would rather

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<v Speaker 1>have capitalism while riding a bike. But Bokchin also talks

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<v Speaker 1>about how these communities not encompass the full range of

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<v Speaker 1>possibilities a human experience again quote because you know Bukchen

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<v Speaker 1>is Loki a boss. Right. Neighborliness is mistaken for organic

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<v Speaker 1>social intercourse and mutual aid. Well manicured parks for the

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<v Speaker 1>harmonization of humanity with Nietzsche. The proximity of workplaces for

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<v Speaker 1>the development of a new meaning for work and its

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<v Speaker 1>integrasement play, an eclectic mix of ranch houses, slab like apartments,

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<v Speaker 1>and bachelor type flats for spontaneous architectural variety, shopping mark

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<v Speaker 1>plazas in a vast expanse of lawn for the agora,

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<v Speaker 1>lecture halls for cultural centers, hobby classes for vocational variety,

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<v Speaker 1>benevolent trusts, so municipal councils for self administration. One can

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<v Speaker 1>add endlessly to this list of misplaced criteria for community

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<v Speaker 1>that saved to offer skate rather than clarify the high

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<v Speaker 1>attainment of the urban tradition. Indeed, the appearance of community

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<v Speaker 1>serves the ideological function of concealing the incompleteness of an

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<v Speaker 1>intimate and shared social life. Again boom, you know, and

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<v Speaker 1>people are brought together. You know, they have all these

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<v Speaker 1>conveniences in these pleasant trees, but they're still culturally impoverished,

0:16:41.560 --> 0:16:46.960
<v Speaker 1>they're still atomized, they still deal this stark reality of

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<v Speaker 1>capitalism in the spaces that they're they're gonna inevitably spend

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<v Speaker 1>most of their day at work. Like it's nice that

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<v Speaker 1>the city is well designed, but how much of it

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<v Speaker 1>are you going to get to see if you still

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<v Speaker 1>have to go to work for eight hours plus a d.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, if anything, at least you know, the commune

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<v Speaker 1>will probably be shure to But that's about it, and

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<v Speaker 1>that's me if you get a job in the city itself.

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<v Speaker 1>This is interesting because in some ways, the invention of

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<v Speaker 1>the suburb in the in the years after this kind

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<v Speaker 1>of tried to solve for this issue while also just

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<v Speaker 1>doing it in an incredibly racist way. Like you can

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<v Speaker 1>you can you can see the invention of the suburb

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<v Speaker 1>of trying to create these little nestled communities but also

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<v Speaker 1>getting away from the the the urban center, which was

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<v Speaker 1>seen as this like scary place full of people who

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<v Speaker 1>were non white. So you have like this white flight

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<v Speaker 1>thing that developed this notion of the suburbs, which in

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<v Speaker 1>some ways kind of does this but in a in

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<v Speaker 1>a much worse way. Actually, it makes it makes the

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<v Speaker 1>idea of the Garden City look like a much better

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<v Speaker 1>alternative to what the suburbs did. And it's it's just

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<v Speaker 1>interesting that even the version of this that got implemented

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<v Speaker 1>was just done in a way that it's so much

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<v Speaker 1>more dystopian and depressing. Yeah, I mean, and Bookchin addresses

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<v Speaker 1>that that comparison to the suburbs as well. Right, he said,

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<v Speaker 1>in the best of cases, the new towns differ from

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<v Speaker 1>suburbs primarily because job commuting is short and most services

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<v Speaker 1>can be supplied within the community itself. In the worst

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<v Speaker 1>of cases, they are essentially bedroom suburbs of the metropolis

0:18:30.280 --> 0:18:33.359
<v Speaker 1>and add enormously to its congestion during wook and hours.

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<v Speaker 1>I can't I can't believe Bookchin beat me to the

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<v Speaker 1>punch on this one. I'm devastated. This is the first

0:18:43.440 --> 0:18:46.520
<v Speaker 1>time booctions ever has has ever has ever beaten me.

0:18:46.760 --> 0:18:52.720
<v Speaker 1>This is this is this is truly terrible. So but

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<v Speaker 1>despite some of these flaws and criticisms, how it was

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<v Speaker 1>passionate about his idea, all right, I mean, he published

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<v Speaker 1>the book. He also organized like he's actually he's not

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<v Speaker 1>sitting on Twitter, right, He's actually doing something about his ideas.

0:19:06.680 --> 0:19:10.000
<v Speaker 1>So he organized this Garden City Association in eighteen ninety

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<v Speaker 1>nine in England to promote the ideas of social justice,

0:19:13.240 --> 0:19:17.240
<v Speaker 1>economic efficiency, beautification, health and well being in the context

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<v Speaker 1>of City Planet. That Garden City Association later became the

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<v Speaker 1>Town and Country Plan and Association, which still exists to

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<v Speaker 1>this day. Women played a very active role and continue

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<v Speaker 1>to play very active role in the organization. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>as Howard says himself in his book, women's influence is

0:19:36.320 --> 0:19:39.640
<v Speaker 1>too often ignored here that ladies, this guy's a feminist.

0:19:41.480 --> 0:19:44.399
<v Speaker 1>But when the garden city is built as a chokey

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<v Speaker 1>will be woman's share. And the work he found to

0:19:46.520 --> 0:19:48.840
<v Speaker 1>have been a large one. Women are among our most

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<v Speaker 1>active missionaries. And so he's doing some Abdullah shit now

0:19:56.680 --> 0:20:01.680
<v Speaker 1>that yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, he's liberating life, you know.

0:20:05.000 --> 0:20:07.600
<v Speaker 1>But yeah. The TCP in the Town Country Planet Association

0:20:09.040 --> 0:20:11.639
<v Speaker 1>has continued to campaign for a new generation of garden

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<v Speaker 1>cities based on modern modern garden city principles. They will

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<v Speaker 1>cross sector and government influence policy in legislation. There is

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<v Speaker 1>awareness through guidance and training. They promote affordable homes and inclusive,

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<v Speaker 1>healthy and climate resilient places, and they try to create

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<v Speaker 1>text world barriers opportunities and practical solutions necessary to make

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<v Speaker 1>new garden cities a reality. They also are genuinely interested

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<v Speaker 1>in empowering people to have a real influence over decisions

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<v Speaker 1>about the environments and to secure social justice within in

0:20:49.359 --> 0:20:53.800
<v Speaker 1>between communities, or at least that is what their website says.

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<v Speaker 1>Outside of the TCPA, the idea of goden City definitely

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<v Speaker 1>sort of rooted itself in urban planning and the urban

0:21:04.520 --> 0:21:08.040
<v Speaker 1>planning tradition, and it did sort of feed into this

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<v Speaker 1>rise of green spaces within urban landscapes that we now

0:21:11.320 --> 0:21:15.040
<v Speaker 1>find around the world. The concept of the garden city

0:21:15.320 --> 0:21:20.320
<v Speaker 1>is definitely still revisited today, but it's considerably different from

0:21:20.359 --> 0:21:25.879
<v Speaker 1>the origin idea. It's also taken the garden city as

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<v Speaker 1>an inspiration as an esthetic inspiration to create greater integration

0:21:31.800 --> 0:21:36.720
<v Speaker 1>between urban areas and green spaces in a time though,

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<v Speaker 1>going back to the late nineteenth early twentieth century, Howard

0:21:42.720 --> 0:21:45.840
<v Speaker 1>was a successful fundraise again he was trying to get

0:21:45.920 --> 0:21:48.840
<v Speaker 1>things going in the first years of the twentieth century.

0:21:48.880 --> 0:21:52.440
<v Speaker 1>He built two garden cities, Letchworth Garden City and Wellwyn

0:21:52.760 --> 0:21:58.399
<v Speaker 1>Garden City, both in Hertfordshire, England, and both still exist today.

0:21:59.680 --> 0:22:04.720
<v Speaker 1>Let's ruth was originally quite successful. It was first you know,

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<v Speaker 1>an ancient parish from like the eleventh century and remained

0:22:09.720 --> 0:22:11.679
<v Speaker 1>a small rural village. And so the start of twentieth

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<v Speaker 1>century when the land was purchased by a company called

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<v Speaker 1>First Garden City Limited, which was founded by Howard and supporters,

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<v Speaker 1>and they went on to establish the United Kingdom's first

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<v Speaker 1>roundabout the Solar Shot Circus, a lot of urban like

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<v Speaker 1>park land and open spaces, including a green space named

0:22:38.600 --> 0:22:44.639
<v Speaker 1>after Howard called Howard Park. But after Howard's passing, the

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<v Speaker 1>First Garden City Limited was sort of taken over in

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen sixty and the company so it changed how the

0:22:53.840 --> 0:22:59.320
<v Speaker 1>town was managed. The residents of the local council kind

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<v Speaker 1>of lost some say the original Goden City ideals were reduced,

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<v Speaker 1>and the corporation eventually became for the first the company

0:23:10.520 --> 0:23:14.399
<v Speaker 1>created a cooperation transferred ownership to the corporation which was

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<v Speaker 1>now called Letchworth Garden City Cooperation, and then that cooperation

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<v Speaker 1>was replaced by a charter will body in the nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>nineties called Letchworth god City Heritage Foundation, which continues to

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<v Speaker 1>own and manage the estate to this day. Leachworth was

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<v Speaker 1>a sort of an interesting experiment. The people who were founded,

0:23:32.280 --> 0:23:37.720
<v Speaker 1>who helped to found that town, were very much otherworldly

0:23:37.840 --> 0:23:43.080
<v Speaker 1>as some people would described them. They for example, they

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<v Speaker 1>had some people describe them as health freaks. They actually

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<v Speaker 1>voted on a ban to set against the selling of alcohol,

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<v Speaker 1>a ban on the selling of alcohol in public premises?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh boy, so which is I mean for a British village,

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<v Speaker 1>right in the early nineteen hundreds to vote against having

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<v Speaker 1>a pub? Unheard of? Right? They did eventually create a pub.

0:24:16.640 --> 0:24:21.000
<v Speaker 1>That pub didn't serve any alcohol. Bumber bumber, hate to

0:24:21.040 --> 0:24:24.720
<v Speaker 1>see it. Yeah, but lat truth was still like a

0:24:24.840 --> 0:24:28.040
<v Speaker 1>real pioneer, you know. It's approached to blend in Tallent

0:24:28.119 --> 0:24:32.720
<v Speaker 1>country was used in the Australian capital Canberra, in hell Rao,

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<v Speaker 1>in Germany, in Tapanila and Finland, and in Messa Parks

0:24:35.920 --> 0:24:39.000
<v Speaker 1>and that field, and of course in the other garden

0:24:39.080 --> 0:24:42.760
<v Speaker 1>city well win. How what had arranged for that land

0:24:42.760 --> 0:24:46.280
<v Speaker 1>to be purchased by a company called Second Gotain City Limited.

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<v Speaker 1>Real creative there, And of first they were going to

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<v Speaker 1>call the city digs Well, but a couple of days

0:24:54.800 --> 0:24:56.840
<v Speaker 1>later they changed their mind, probably because they realized as

0:24:56.880 --> 0:25:00.600
<v Speaker 1>a dumb name, and then they decided to call Yeah.

0:25:01.320 --> 0:25:03.440
<v Speaker 1>I wasn't gonna say anything, but yeah, that's not that's

0:25:03.480 --> 0:25:06.920
<v Speaker 1>not a great name. Yeah. And so the town is

0:25:06.960 --> 0:25:09.399
<v Speaker 1>laid out along these tree line boulevards. It's sort of

0:25:09.440 --> 0:25:13.399
<v Speaker 1>a New George and Town Center. Um. There's a lot

0:25:13.440 --> 0:25:16.920
<v Speaker 1>of grass out of parks, as to be expected. And

0:25:17.520 --> 0:25:21.000
<v Speaker 1>the planners had intended to create the Guarden City to

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<v Speaker 1>have like one shop called Welwyn Stores, which was basically

0:25:25.760 --> 0:25:40.200
<v Speaker 1>a monopoly that all the residents were expected to shop at. Lastly,

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<v Speaker 1>I think I want to bring up one final inspiration.

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<v Speaker 1>I was about to one on whether I would include

0:25:44.560 --> 0:25:45.960
<v Speaker 1>this one or not, but I said, you know what

0:25:46.480 --> 0:25:49.440
<v Speaker 1>I might be entertaining and I might want to talk

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<v Speaker 1>about it further in the future. A certain character by

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<v Speaker 1>the name of Walt Disney. Oh no, this is Epcot.

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<v Speaker 1>This is this is this is the extramental prototypical City

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<v Speaker 1>of Tomorrow. Yes, no, this is the Florida Project. Oh no,

0:26:11.520 --> 0:26:18.159
<v Speaker 1>Disney's Epcot was designed in concentric circles with radiats. This

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<v Speaker 1>is the worst job scare. Oh, but it should be noted,

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<v Speaker 1>or rather should be expected that, unlike Howard, mister Disney

0:26:31.680 --> 0:26:35.800
<v Speaker 1>envisioned having a lot of personal control over the day

0:26:35.800 --> 0:26:40.760
<v Speaker 1>to day management of life in his city. So really,

0:26:40.840 --> 0:26:44.000
<v Speaker 1>Epcot was only loosely inspired by Howard's idea of combining

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<v Speaker 1>the populace with industry. Um, this city would have had

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<v Speaker 1>a hotel at the center with more than thirty stories

0:26:55.440 --> 0:26:58.919
<v Speaker 1>and a convention center. There would be an internationally themed

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<v Speaker 1>town center. Um, there would be a mega mole. There

0:27:04.240 --> 0:27:09.680
<v Speaker 1>would be themed restaurants, shops, and attractions. There would be

0:27:09.720 --> 0:27:15.760
<v Speaker 1>a monorail. Yeah he was, he was a car free

0:27:15.840 --> 0:27:24.760
<v Speaker 1>community advocate of Disney. Yeah. Like his plan was that

0:27:25.040 --> 0:27:29.800
<v Speaker 1>nobody would drive in Epcot. Delivery trucks and other autobiles

0:27:30.080 --> 0:27:33.480
<v Speaker 1>and other automobiles that needed to enter the city were

0:27:33.520 --> 0:27:36.200
<v Speaker 1>to be kept underground. So it's kind of like a

0:27:36.280 --> 0:27:40.040
<v Speaker 1>fusion of Ebone's ah what an elon musk that sucks?

0:27:40.320 --> 0:27:44.280
<v Speaker 1>That sucks. Yeah. Also, this city would be climb a

0:27:44.400 --> 0:27:50.240
<v Speaker 1>controlled with a glass roof. Yes, I mean, And it's

0:27:50.280 --> 0:27:53.040
<v Speaker 1>funny because like he couldn't even do this properly, Like

0:27:53.200 --> 0:27:55.880
<v Speaker 1>he couldn't even build this. Instead, instead they got turned

0:27:55.920 --> 0:27:59.840
<v Speaker 1>into like a like a like a bare skeleton of

0:28:00.119 --> 0:28:03.560
<v Speaker 1>his original plan. Was because Epcot will failed in so

0:28:03.800 --> 0:28:05.920
<v Speaker 1>in so many ways, the reason being that he ended

0:28:06.000 --> 0:28:09.680
<v Speaker 1>up dying right. Yeah, yes, Like even on his deathbed,

0:28:09.720 --> 0:28:12.320
<v Speaker 1>he was still sketching up designs for epcots, so he

0:28:12.400 --> 0:28:20.359
<v Speaker 1>never really got to implement it. Pro life Dictator dies anyways. Yeah, actual,

0:28:20.440 --> 0:28:25.040
<v Speaker 1>like the actual like living communities in in Disney World

0:28:25.040 --> 0:28:29.200
<v Speaker 1>Florida are are so different and in many ways they're

0:28:29.320 --> 0:28:33.000
<v Speaker 1>They're just like another suburb, um, except you're in a

0:28:33.080 --> 0:28:39.120
<v Speaker 1>suburb owned by Disney. Yeah yeah, And I mean it's

0:28:39.160 --> 0:28:41.440
<v Speaker 1>gonna be a peek into what life would have been

0:28:41.520 --> 0:28:44.320
<v Speaker 1>like on the epcot. Right, your home would have been

0:28:44.360 --> 0:28:48.760
<v Speaker 1>pre fabricated and modula certain materials and technologies could be

0:28:48.800 --> 0:28:50.600
<v Speaker 1>tested as soon as they were viable. By the way,

0:28:50.800 --> 0:28:52.920
<v Speaker 1>why they have nothing against free fab homes. I think

0:28:52.960 --> 0:28:56.840
<v Speaker 1>they could be very useful, um, But Disney's idea was basically,

0:28:56.960 --> 0:28:58.880
<v Speaker 1>your home is pre fab so that any time he

0:28:59.000 --> 0:29:04.040
<v Speaker 1>wanted to install an update on it, he could. It's great,

0:29:04.240 --> 0:29:06.320
<v Speaker 1>you know, like the entire city was basically like a

0:29:06.400 --> 0:29:11.400
<v Speaker 1>guinea pig for any technologies he came up with. UM,

0:29:12.680 --> 0:29:16.080
<v Speaker 1>and so he wants to really retain absolute control of

0:29:16.120 --> 0:29:20.680
<v Speaker 1>the city, Like they wouldn't even own anything Disney alone

0:29:20.840 --> 0:29:23.400
<v Speaker 1>would own the land so that he and his successes

0:29:23.440 --> 0:29:26.320
<v Speaker 1>can make updates and changes without ever being snowed down

0:29:26.440 --> 0:29:31.000
<v Speaker 1>by this pesky thing called citizens votes and rights and

0:29:31.120 --> 0:29:34.240
<v Speaker 1>all that. It's funny because this is actually now under

0:29:34.280 --> 0:29:39.400
<v Speaker 1>attack by Ron de Santis in Florida. The sovereignty of

0:29:39.480 --> 0:29:44.080
<v Speaker 1>Disney may like change a lot, and I think already

0:29:44.120 --> 0:29:46.920
<v Speaker 1>stripped it. Yes, but but how this plays out in

0:29:47.040 --> 0:29:50.280
<v Speaker 1>actuality is yet to be determined. But it is funny

0:29:50.360 --> 0:29:53.120
<v Speaker 1>that this is actually like this is a very very

0:29:53.240 --> 0:29:55.720
<v Speaker 1>recent thing, Like it's just like a week or so.

0:29:56.160 --> 0:29:58.880
<v Speaker 1>But see what we can see here is one of

0:29:59.200 --> 0:30:02.240
<v Speaker 1>the inevitable transitions as as as we as we saw

0:30:02.320 --> 0:30:05.480
<v Speaker 1>in British colonial rule in India, which is that direct

0:30:05.560 --> 0:30:10.680
<v Speaker 1>corporate rules always replaced by injurrect corporate rule via the state. Yeah,

0:30:10.960 --> 0:30:14.720
<v Speaker 1>pretty much. Yeah, it's in some ways we will probably

0:30:14.800 --> 0:30:17.400
<v Speaker 1>learn that it was better to live under Disney than

0:30:17.520 --> 0:30:22.160
<v Speaker 1>run Descantis. But that's not saying much. Next time he

0:30:22.280 --> 0:30:29.240
<v Speaker 1>opens up a discentist would No, no, it's just it's

0:30:29.280 --> 0:30:33.960
<v Speaker 1>just it's literally just like eighteen Giitmo exhibitions. Oh lord,

0:30:34.680 --> 0:30:37.840
<v Speaker 1>I mean, descentist world will just be the United States

0:30:37.920 --> 0:30:44.280
<v Speaker 1>when descents poidential election. True, sad but true. But let

0:30:44.320 --> 0:30:46.600
<v Speaker 1>me tell you a bit more about Epcot. Right, if

0:30:46.640 --> 0:30:48.920
<v Speaker 1>you were eighteen, you know older, you have to have

0:30:49.000 --> 0:30:55.200
<v Speaker 1>a job. Well, so you don't get to retire. Nobody's

0:30:55.200 --> 0:30:57.800
<v Speaker 1>allowed to retire. You only get to stop working if

0:30:57.880 --> 0:31:07.760
<v Speaker 1>you either die or leave amazing one way out. Also,

0:31:08.320 --> 0:31:10.920
<v Speaker 1>and the reason being, he believed this would prevent slums

0:31:11.120 --> 0:31:14.920
<v Speaker 1>or ghettos from foremen in any part of his magical city,

0:31:15.280 --> 0:31:18.120
<v Speaker 1>because I mean, if everyone has a job, then nobody

0:31:18.160 --> 0:31:21.440
<v Speaker 1>will be struggling to pay rent or eat. Right. Funnily enough,

0:31:21.480 --> 0:31:23.680
<v Speaker 1>of course, a lot of Disney workers today can't afford

0:31:23.720 --> 0:31:31.720
<v Speaker 1>to pay rent or eat. But hey, the theoretically everybody

0:31:31.760 --> 0:31:35.560
<v Speaker 1>in Epcot would have their basic needs met. Also, though

0:31:36.840 --> 0:31:39.200
<v Speaker 1>in exchange for that, they wouldn't have any privacy because

0:31:39.240 --> 0:31:41.920
<v Speaker 1>Epcott was also supposed to be like a tourist attraction.

0:31:42.480 --> 0:31:44.360
<v Speaker 1>You know, you look outside you were new, and tourists

0:31:44.440 --> 0:31:48.720
<v Speaker 1>are like looking inside you were new. That was a

0:31:48.840 --> 0:31:54.560
<v Speaker 1>thing that was Epcot thankfully doesn't it wasn't fully implemented.

0:31:55.640 --> 0:31:58.560
<v Speaker 1>I mean, some people have said that Singapore is like

0:31:58.960 --> 0:32:02.760
<v Speaker 1>a dystopian city state run by Disney. But we could

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<v Speaker 1>talk about that him at the time. That's the basic

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<v Speaker 1>rundown on garden cities, past, present, and future. The idea

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<v Speaker 1>of it, I think was, you know, notable, admirable, good effort,

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<v Speaker 1>but flowed um and because it lacks a strong ideological

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<v Speaker 1>foundation and economic foundation and analysis that took into a

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<v Speaker 1>county contentions speak within society that you know, manifests in

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<v Speaker 1>the urban landscape. And I think it's a clear warning

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<v Speaker 1>that for solo punks and for really people who are

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<v Speaker 1>interested in urban planet as a whole, that you know,

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<v Speaker 1>aesthetics is not everything. Design is not everything. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>they asked me some some meat to those um, let's

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<v Speaker 1>say some meats underneath that flesh. It's a really weird analogy,

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<v Speaker 1>but yeah, yeah, no, but like yeah, the principle of Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm just gonna I'm gonna, I'm gonna abandon the Walter

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<v Speaker 1>Benjamin thing I was gonna do there, but no, try it,

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<v Speaker 1>keep keep going, keep We're gonna Benjamin thing I have

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<v Speaker 1>I have. I haven't actually read any of his stuff

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<v Speaker 1>in like five years, but one of Benjamin's things was

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<v Speaker 1>when politics is sort of displaced, you're converted into esthetic,

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<v Speaker 1>it becomes fascism. So don't do that. In fact, have

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<v Speaker 1>actual politics and not simply reduce your politics too an

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<v Speaker 1>aesthetic or to aesthetics, et cetera, et cetera. Yeah, true, true.

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