WEBVTT - SUNDAY SAMPLER - The Nashville Podcast Network (8-25-24) 0:00:09.039 --> 0:00:12.280 A guest Sunday Sampler time, So we'll do the Bobbycast 0:00:12.280 --> 0:00:14.040 in a second, where I went through the top ten 0:00:14.080 --> 0:00:18.079 controversial country songs and a bunch of the artists were 0:00:18.120 --> 0:00:20.000 on actually talking about these songs. 0:00:20.200 --> 0:00:21.560 So that's coming up in a minute. 0:00:21.560 --> 0:00:24.400 In the Vets office with doctor Josie, she talked with 0:00:24.440 --> 0:00:27.040 Taylor Lawan, the wife of Taylor Lawan, who's a former 0:00:27.120 --> 0:00:30.680 NFL player. But they talk about navigating an aging pet 0:00:31.040 --> 0:00:34.200 and a farm with a ton of animals. Now, Morgan 0:00:34.240 --> 0:00:36.800 has a new podcast called Take This Personally. She has 0:00:36.800 --> 0:00:40.160 on two guests, one five time Olympic gold medalist Missy 0:00:40.200 --> 0:00:43.720 Franklin and adaptive athlete Amy Bream, who was born with 0:00:43.760 --> 0:00:46.839 one leg. Both of these conversations were super inspiring, so 0:00:46.920 --> 0:00:49.040 make sure you go take a listen to the whole episode. 0:00:49.159 --> 0:00:51.520 But let's get started with a clip of this episode. 0:00:51.680 --> 0:00:54.320 It's Take This Personally. Here we go with Morgan. 0:01:07.480 --> 0:01:11.880 Take Personal Life Juelsman. 0:01:14.600 --> 0:01:18.119 Right now, I'm joined by Olympian Missy Franklin. Many would 0:01:18.120 --> 0:01:20.840 know her for her incredible swimming talent. She has a 0:01:20.959 --> 0:01:26.600 five Olympic gold medals, two NCAA National championship titles, eleven 0:01:26.640 --> 0:01:29.160 world swimming titles. The list goes on of what Missy 0:01:29.280 --> 0:01:32.080 has accomplished in her life and career, and I'm just 0:01:32.120 --> 0:01:34.400 so excited to welcome her to the podcast. 0:01:34.480 --> 0:01:36.200 Thank you so much for coming on. How are you 0:01:36.200 --> 0:01:38.120 You're some so good, Thank you so much for having me. 0:01:38.160 --> 0:01:40.000 I'm so excited. I'm excited too. 0:01:40.200 --> 0:01:42.880 Did you always see Olympics in your future? Was that 0:01:42.920 --> 0:01:45.680 always the dream or did that not come true until 0:01:45.720 --> 0:01:47.480 a little bit later on in your life? 0:01:47.520 --> 0:01:50.160 It honestly was always the dream. I mean, we have 0:01:50.680 --> 0:01:52.840 pictures that I drew when I was five of me 0:01:53.000 --> 0:01:55.520 standing on top of an Olympic podium with a gold medal, 0:01:55.840 --> 0:01:59.720 and I think there's just something really special about the Olympics. 0:01:59.440 --> 0:02:02.760 For some sports, it's the peak. I mean, that's it. 0:02:02.840 --> 0:02:04.920 And so growing up and being a swimmer and having 0:02:04.920 --> 0:02:07.920 swimming really be an Olympic sport, that to me was 0:02:08.000 --> 0:02:10.520 the end all be all. This is one of the 0:02:10.520 --> 0:02:14.160 most incredible things. And to be named the best athlete 0:02:14.240 --> 0:02:17.240 in the world, it's just while representing your own country, 0:02:17.320 --> 0:02:20.520 I mean, just seemed to me like such an unbelievable 0:02:20.520 --> 0:02:24.280 thing to strive for an almost to a degree impossible, 0:02:24.400 --> 0:02:26.680 but I think it was because of that that it 0:02:26.760 --> 0:02:28.720 made it so much more fun. You know, when you 0:02:28.800 --> 0:02:32.359 set goals that scare you, it makes working towards them 0:02:32.400 --> 0:02:36.880 and getting closer to them such a fulfilling journey. And 0:02:36.919 --> 0:02:39.160 that was such a big lesson that I learned, I 0:02:39.200 --> 0:02:41.560 mean the entire process, but now especially being able to 0:02:41.600 --> 0:02:44.000 look back on it was. Yes, standing up on those 0:02:44.040 --> 0:02:48.200 podiums and getting those medals were absolutely unbelievable moments in 0:02:48.240 --> 0:02:51.079 my life. But when I look back on my swimming career, 0:02:51.360 --> 0:02:54.079 those aren't necessarily the first moments I think of. It's 0:02:54.120 --> 0:02:59.000 actually some of the smallest, maybe seemingly insignificant moments of 0:02:59.520 --> 0:03:03.280 dancing with all my teammates after Saturday morning practice and 0:03:03.760 --> 0:03:07.720 Friday night carbo loading dinners before the swim meets, like 0:03:08.120 --> 0:03:11.360 those small moments, and you really do realize that it's 0:03:11.480 --> 0:03:14.360 great to have a destination, to have a goal, but 0:03:14.760 --> 0:03:16.080 at the end of the day, I really is about 0:03:16.080 --> 0:03:16.919 the journey getting there. 0:03:17.000 --> 0:03:19.680 Yeah, and that journey has to be tough too. I know. 0:03:19.720 --> 0:03:21.200 You look at it and you can see all the 0:03:21.240 --> 0:03:24.200 successes you've had, and there's been Gosh, you have so 0:03:24.320 --> 0:03:25.920 many titles and being one of. 0:03:25.919 --> 0:03:27.079 The best athletes in the world. 0:03:27.200 --> 0:03:29.560 You have so much success in this sport, but there 0:03:29.600 --> 0:03:32.840 had to be hardships on the way of What were 0:03:32.919 --> 0:03:35.240 some of those moments where you were like, Oh, my gosh, 0:03:35.600 --> 0:03:36.480 is this going to happen? 0:03:36.560 --> 0:03:37.160 Can I do this? 0:03:37.320 --> 0:03:38.360 What did that all look like? 0:03:38.520 --> 0:03:41.720 Absolutely, I would say those hardships really came for me 0:03:42.040 --> 0:03:45.200 in between the twenty twelve and twenty sixteen Olympic Games. 0:03:45.320 --> 0:03:48.480 I think leading up to twenty twelve in London, I 0:03:48.560 --> 0:03:51.640 was so naive and that really worked to my advantage. 0:03:51.680 --> 0:03:54.720 Like I was so young, I was sixteen seventeen years old, 0:03:54.920 --> 0:03:57.600 and I didn't really have a care in the world, right, Like, 0:03:57.680 --> 0:04:00.080 I was just swimming. It was so fun and I 0:04:00.120 --> 0:04:03.120 was doing well. So I trained harder and I swam faster, 0:04:03.280 --> 0:04:06.600 and like it was all just this very seemingly simple. 0:04:06.920 --> 0:04:08.800 Of course, it was a ton of hard work, but 0:04:09.280 --> 0:04:11.320 it kind of made sense, you know, Like I worked 0:04:11.480 --> 0:04:13.840 harder and harder and harder every single day, and I 0:04:13.960 --> 0:04:16.560 got faster and I kept achieving my goals and I 0:04:16.600 --> 0:04:19.159 had a blast while doing it, and no one knew 0:04:19.160 --> 0:04:21.120 who I was. I was the young one. I was 0:04:21.160 --> 0:04:23.520 the rookie on the scene. So my first Olympics was 0:04:23.600 --> 0:04:26.520 just so like no pressure, like let's just go out, 0:04:26.560 --> 0:04:29.080 I have a great time, Like we're here for the experience. 0:04:29.279 --> 0:04:30.960 And that's how I performed. 0:04:31.000 --> 0:04:32.480 You know, you could kind of see that, like I 0:04:32.560 --> 0:04:35.400 was just so full of joy and I wasn't swimming 0:04:35.720 --> 0:04:38.039 out of fear. I was just swimming because I was 0:04:38.040 --> 0:04:39.920 just happy to be there. You just love this story 0:04:40.080 --> 0:04:43.880 exactly exactly, And then things really changed over the next 0:04:43.880 --> 0:04:47.880 four years. I decided to remain amateur. So after London, 0:04:47.960 --> 0:04:51.120 I didn't accept any money, sponsorships, anything like that, because 0:04:51.120 --> 0:04:53.680 I really wanted to go to college and swim for 0:04:53.800 --> 0:04:56.279 my college team, because that was another dream of mine 0:04:56.320 --> 0:04:58.800 that I really wanted to see come true. So I 0:04:58.800 --> 0:05:01.640 went through that process and had two years at cal Berkeley, 0:05:01.880 --> 0:05:05.360 and then I came home to train for the twenty 0:05:05.360 --> 0:05:07.960 sixteen games, and that's when things kind. 0:05:07.800 --> 0:05:08.599 Of shifted for me. 0:05:08.720 --> 0:05:11.640 I think that year was probably the hardest of my 0:05:11.720 --> 0:05:15.880 life because I went from an amazing team environment and 0:05:16.200 --> 0:05:17.719 having been a part of a team and having a 0:05:17.720 --> 0:05:20.479 lot of balance in my life with school and friends 0:05:20.480 --> 0:05:22.760 and swimming. So it kind of really, for the first 0:05:22.760 --> 0:05:26.839 time ever, just honing in on training alone. And I 0:05:26.880 --> 0:05:30.240 think I really made that decision because I was scared. 0:05:30.400 --> 0:05:34.039 I really wanted twenty sixteen to be better than twenty twelve, 0:05:34.120 --> 0:05:37.240 and I had set the bar quite high in twenty twelve, 0:05:37.279 --> 0:05:39.520 and it wasn't just me that wanted that, but I 0:05:39.560 --> 0:05:43.239 started to feel those outside expectations and that outside pressure, 0:05:43.279 --> 0:05:45.719 which I had never really let get to me before. 0:05:45.800 --> 0:05:48.680 But I think once you compete and achieve at that level, 0:05:48.880 --> 0:05:51.600 it does get really hard to tune that out. And 0:05:51.640 --> 0:05:54.000 so for the first time in my life, I really 0:05:54.040 --> 0:05:57.120 stopped swimming because I loved it, and I started swimming 0:05:57.160 --> 0:05:59.960 because I felt like I had to achieve these things 0:06:00.080 --> 0:06:02.240 that were expected of me, and it became much more 0:06:02.400 --> 0:06:05.440 fear based out of not wanting to disappoint other people 0:06:05.560 --> 0:06:08.400 as opposed to just going out there and doing my best. 0:06:08.560 --> 0:06:10.960 So there was a lot that I struggled with during 0:06:11.000 --> 0:06:13.520 that time. Just a few months out from Olympic trials, 0:06:13.520 --> 0:06:17.960 I got diagnosed with depression, insomnia, anxiety, and eating disorder, 0:06:18.200 --> 0:06:20.840 like just a whole gamut of things that just came 0:06:20.880 --> 0:06:24.359 from essentially lack of balance, just training day in and 0:06:24.440 --> 0:06:26.200 day out, and for the first time in my life, 0:06:26.279 --> 0:06:29.599 feeling like my self worth was completely wrapped up in 0:06:29.640 --> 0:06:31.920 my sport, and if I didn't achieve in my sport, 0:06:32.120 --> 0:06:34.320 then I had nothing else to really offer as a 0:06:34.400 --> 0:06:34.960 human being. 0:06:42.120 --> 0:06:46.800 Yeah, you're listening to in the VETS office with doctor 0:06:46.880 --> 0:06:47.760 Josie Horschak. 0:06:51.480 --> 0:06:53.040 One thing that we had talked about that I think 0:06:53.040 --> 0:06:56.599 a lot of people will be able to connect with 0:06:56.720 --> 0:06:59.440 and really resonate with, is I know how bonded you 0:06:59.440 --> 0:07:01.000 are with a cure, but I feel like just having 0:07:01.000 --> 0:07:05.240 her since you were a teenager and you know you 0:07:05.279 --> 0:07:07.159 had shared with me, like going through some like really 0:07:07.160 --> 0:07:10.720 hard family hardships with you know, family members passing away, 0:07:10.760 --> 0:07:12.240 and like having that bond with her. I feel like 0:07:12.320 --> 0:07:15.040 so many of us bond with our animals because of 0:07:15.560 --> 0:07:18.440 the own traumas that we experience and like the way 0:07:18.440 --> 0:07:19.640 we rely on them. 0:07:20.040 --> 0:07:20.320 Yeah. 0:07:20.360 --> 0:07:25.480 So I was eighteen, and honestly, if anybody who's a 0:07:25.480 --> 0:07:29.440 big animal advocate in their early twenties, I actually would say, 0:07:29.480 --> 0:07:31.160 get a dog. Yes, Like, if you have the means 0:07:31.160 --> 0:07:33.360 for it, it's it'll be the best experience. 0:07:33.040 --> 0:07:35.480 You ever have with a dog. I agree, before the kids. 0:07:35.280 --> 0:07:38.080 Come and the husband comes and all the other things come, Like, 0:07:39.000 --> 0:07:40.760 your dog will just do so much for you. 0:07:40.840 --> 0:07:43.360 But I got a cure at eighteen. 0:07:43.080 --> 0:07:46.240 When I had no business getting it on her, and 0:07:46.560 --> 0:07:50.880 I got her after my my uncle had committed suicide 0:07:51.280 --> 0:07:55.720 right after my eighteenth birthday and graduation, and then I 0:07:55.840 --> 0:07:58.280 was kind of like it kind of like diff Like 0:07:58.480 --> 0:08:01.040 I had a great childhood, My family is incredible, and 0:08:01.080 --> 0:08:02.120 it was the first time I kind of saw the 0:08:02.160 --> 0:08:04.680 bubble pop, you know, especially like you're coming into an 0:08:04.680 --> 0:08:07.120 adulthood too. There's just so much going on, and so 0:08:07.240 --> 0:08:09.440 at that time in my life, it was like, you know, 0:08:09.480 --> 0:08:11.800 the people who were my rocks were really sad, and 0:08:11.840 --> 0:08:12.920 so all of a sudden, I was just like, I 0:08:13.000 --> 0:08:14.760 kind of think I need to leave. Because I came 0:08:14.760 --> 0:08:15.960 from a small town. I was like, I think I 0:08:15.960 --> 0:08:17.520 need to go away for a while and go figure 0:08:17.520 --> 0:08:20.080 out who I am. So I moved to Calgary, which 0:08:20.160 --> 0:08:22.960 is like eight hours away from my hometown, and that's 0:08:22.960 --> 0:08:28.000 where I found her. And right right before I found her, 0:08:28.400 --> 0:08:31.800 my mom's boyfriend, like my stepdad of ten years, he 0:08:31.880 --> 0:08:32.720 committed suicide. 0:08:32.920 --> 0:08:35.560 Wow, it was just back to back. It was crazy. 0:08:35.600 --> 0:08:36.880 It's almost you know. 0:08:36.559 --> 0:08:38.520 When you're eighteen, like it's hard to process that. 0:08:38.720 --> 0:08:40.880 Yeah, because he had two sons that were like my 0:08:40.880 --> 0:08:43.760 little brothers that were now gone, you know, because we 0:08:43.800 --> 0:08:45.760 didn't get to see them anymore because of his situation. 0:08:46.240 --> 0:08:49.240 And so I got a Kira, and a care kind 0:08:49.240 --> 0:08:52.559 of just fell into my life. And I think that 0:08:52.679 --> 0:08:54.760 like I got a curio. She was probably six months. 0:08:54.920 --> 0:08:57.360 She didn't come like from the best situation. I don't 0:08:57.440 --> 0:09:00.800 think she had a lot of agress issues. 0:09:01.679 --> 0:09:04.440 They I never know. It's like I'm thinking, like, oh, 0:09:04.440 --> 0:09:05.199 they're gonna listen to. 0:09:05.120 --> 0:09:08.760 This, Okay, probably not. They called her eat them like 0:09:08.800 --> 0:09:10.720 they wanted a different path for her. Okay, you know, 0:09:10.800 --> 0:09:12.200 like she had like a badge of the bone collar 0:09:12.280 --> 0:09:15.679 on and stuff. Okay, So I ended up getting her 0:09:16.000 --> 0:09:20.120 and we just I mean she came everywhere with me, 0:09:20.559 --> 0:09:23.520 Like we would go hiking if I went to I 0:09:23.720 --> 0:09:25.240 became a yoga instructor. It was the first thing I 0:09:25.240 --> 0:09:28.040 did after high school. And she would like sit on 0:09:28.040 --> 0:09:30.920 my yoga mat with me, and or she'd it was 0:09:30.960 --> 0:09:32.920 with winter, and I'd make a little nest for her 0:09:32.960 --> 0:09:35.120 and she'd sit in my car I was in class, 0:09:35.160 --> 0:09:38.040 and you know, anything that happened, she was with me. 0:09:38.080 --> 0:09:39.920 I never left her at home, And I mean, I 0:09:39.920 --> 0:09:41.800 can't tell you how many times I've buried my face 0:09:41.920 --> 0:09:44.280 into her fur, like she's got the world's softest fur. 0:09:45.000 --> 0:09:47.920 But she was always very and even now like a 0:09:47.920 --> 0:09:49.760 cat like. I love that she's facing away from the 0:09:49.800 --> 0:09:52.040 camera because that's exactly where she should be because she 0:09:52.040 --> 0:09:55.280 doesn't care about people very much unless unless she truly 0:09:55.320 --> 0:09:56.880 bonds with you, and then you're almost. 0:09:56.720 --> 0:09:59.040 You feel chosen. Yeah, I have so many of my friends. 0:09:59.040 --> 0:10:01.400 Like the day that a Kierra passes, if I was 0:10:01.440 --> 0:10:03.480 to throw a funeral, they'd be like five people, but 0:10:03.520 --> 0:10:05.160 they would be crying so hard that. 0:10:05.000 --> 0:10:08.160 They'd be like an ugly cry. Her chosen circle, small 0:10:08.200 --> 0:10:09.160 circle exactly. 0:10:09.400 --> 0:10:11.000 I think that, And I said this to you that 0:10:11.040 --> 0:10:13.360 I think that when building my foundation app from the 0:10:13.400 --> 0:10:15.160 grief that I was feeling at Kira. 0:10:17.080 --> 0:10:21.520 At Kia was like she was your girl. She was 0:10:21.559 --> 0:10:22.600 a lot of those bricks. 0:10:22.760 --> 0:10:25.880 Yeah, And I assume, especially because when I talk about it, 0:10:26.600 --> 0:10:29.760 that when she passes, I think some of those bricks 0:10:29.760 --> 0:10:30.200 will fall. 0:10:32.840 --> 0:10:33.240 It's hard. 0:10:33.280 --> 0:10:36.319 I mean, being in your early twenties and eighteen nineteen, 0:10:36.360 --> 0:10:39.600 twenty twenty that's hard enough, and then having you know, 0:10:39.679 --> 0:10:41.040 losing people on top of that. 0:10:41.440 --> 0:10:44.679 Yeah, you're discovering yourself, you know, And so like I 0:10:44.720 --> 0:10:46.480 was never alonecause I had a Kira. So like if 0:10:46.480 --> 0:10:47.800 I want to go for a hike, I could, you 0:10:47.840 --> 0:10:49.280 know side of Kira, If I want to go for 0:10:49.320 --> 0:10:51.600 a kayak, I could. And she was always down for everything, right, 0:10:51.640 --> 0:10:52.880 That's what I loved about her, Like I mean, she 0:10:52.960 --> 0:10:55.280 moved to Florida with me, then we came up to 0:10:55.360 --> 0:10:57.520 Nashville and she's you know, I always had this thing 0:10:57.559 --> 0:11:00.320 with her that I needed her to meet all my kid. 0:11:00.440 --> 0:11:03.200 Yeah, not that she loved kidser, she's just really good, 0:11:03.320 --> 0:11:04.199 Like this is about me. 0:11:05.080 --> 0:11:06.680 Has like you got to meet all my kids, and 0:11:06.720 --> 0:11:08.600 me and my husband have been gone to playing number 0:11:08.640 --> 0:11:10.480 three and she's actually like a big part of that 0:11:10.559 --> 0:11:14.720 because she's getting slower and that's been hard for me 0:11:14.800 --> 0:11:19.480 to swallow. Like she lost her eye to cancer three 0:11:19.880 --> 0:11:24.680 four years ago, and that was kind of the first okay, 0:11:24.760 --> 0:11:27.440 like she's not invincible, you know, like the day's coming 0:11:27.520 --> 0:11:31.600 and you know the days it's like I have, the 0:11:31.679 --> 0:11:33.800 day is shorter to win. I don't have her to win, 0:11:33.920 --> 0:11:36.160 I did, you know what I mean? Like that's around 0:11:36.200 --> 0:11:39.240 the corner. And so when she lost her eye to cancer, 0:11:39.440 --> 0:11:41.040 that was an eye opening experience. But then all of 0:11:41.040 --> 0:11:42.520 a sudden, I went through something weird, and I don't 0:11:42.520 --> 0:11:44.480 know if anyone would be able to relate with this. 0:11:45.200 --> 0:11:47.080 I carried guilt about it, but I found that I 0:11:47.120 --> 0:11:49.079 avoided Akira for a while. 0:11:49.679 --> 0:11:52.120 Yes, I've had a lot of clients. 0:11:52.000 --> 0:11:54.600 Yeah, not to me, and I didn't notice it, but 0:11:54.720 --> 0:11:57.240 I found that, like I gotten a routine with her, 0:11:57.280 --> 0:11:59.640 but I didn't like go see her or like do 0:11:59.760 --> 0:12:03.040 things with her. I kind of avoided her. And it 0:12:03.120 --> 0:12:04.520 was because she was aging. 0:12:04.480 --> 0:12:06.760 And I did like a coping mechanism almost yeah, and 0:12:06.800 --> 0:12:08.000 I didn't know I was doing it. 0:12:09.040 --> 0:12:10.840 And then one day I kind of had to like 0:12:11.240 --> 0:12:13.200 go to the terms of like, you know, she's gray, 0:12:13.240 --> 0:12:17.360 she's white, she gets up slower, she's different. You know, 0:12:17.440 --> 0:12:19.600 she's not who she was in her prime. And I 0:12:19.640 --> 0:12:23.199 had a good, solid cry about it, and then we 0:12:23.280 --> 0:12:25.280 even good. Ever since we're back. 0:12:26.920 --> 0:12:30.000 Yeah, I mean it's hard to they've been She's been 0:12:30.840 --> 0:12:32.920 with you such a huge part of your life, and 0:12:33.720 --> 0:12:36.840 trying to picture life without her, I'm sure feels impossible. 0:12:37.520 --> 0:12:39.880 Yeah, I don't remember life before her, you know, Like 0:12:39.920 --> 0:12:44.120 it's like majority like my whole adult life she's been 0:12:44.160 --> 0:12:46.520 in it, you know, And it's like before her, I 0:12:46.520 --> 0:12:50.679 was a kid. Yeah, and so like that's just as 0:12:50.720 --> 0:12:53.440 hard as this grief will be. I will I mean, 0:12:53.480 --> 0:12:54.960 I'm so thankful, yeah, you know. 0:12:55.320 --> 0:12:57.840 And it's like she walked you through your hardest some 0:12:57.880 --> 0:12:59.520 of your hardest days, I'm sure, and now look at 0:12:59.559 --> 0:13:01.720 this beautifull life you have from when you were eighteen, 0:13:02.440 --> 0:13:04.400 and so she's gotten you to where you are and 0:13:04.559 --> 0:13:07.200 when it's her time, you know, she'll leave you better 0:13:07.200 --> 0:13:07.880 than she found you. 0:13:26.360 --> 0:13:27.760 Girl crushed from a little big town. 0:13:27.920 --> 0:13:32.200 Yeah, but was it ever about lesbian love? 0:13:33.040 --> 0:13:36.040 It's about a girl crush. Yeah, okay, I mean that's yeah, Okay. 0:13:36.160 --> 0:13:37.720 That's why I was kind of controversy. 0:13:37.360 --> 0:13:39.520 Because I remember at the time as people were just like, well, no, 0:13:39.640 --> 0:13:41.120 I mean, it could just be like I have a 0:13:41.400 --> 0:13:43.360 just crush on a girl, not in a loving way, 0:13:43.400 --> 0:13:44.000 but like, but. 0:13:43.960 --> 0:13:45.320 What does that even mean? A crush on a girl 0:13:45.320 --> 0:13:47.960 that's you. You don't have to be a lesbian but 0:13:48.160 --> 0:13:50.400 have a girl crush as like that in the middle ground. 0:13:51.000 --> 0:13:52.079 Yeah, and you got. 0:13:51.880 --> 0:13:53.240 To find like, I have a crush on you, dude, 0:13:53.240 --> 0:13:53.960 And I'm not trying to. 0:13:54.360 --> 0:13:57.600 Ever say that I got a boy crush, and then 0:13:57.640 --> 0:13:59.240 people will be like, oh, what you're saying. 0:14:00.080 --> 0:14:00.920 What am I saying? 0:14:00.960 --> 0:14:01.280 Tell me? 0:14:02.640 --> 0:14:04.920 I know what you're saying. You're staring me deep in 0:14:04.920 --> 0:14:05.360 my eyes. 0:14:06.080 --> 0:14:11.600 So people saw it as encouraging homosexuality. I was a 0:14:11.640 --> 0:14:13.360 bit a part of this story too, because I was 0:14:13.400 --> 0:14:17.360 the first one to play it. But it was bigger 0:14:17.400 --> 0:14:19.640 than just that, because a little bitdown had to deal 0:14:19.680 --> 0:14:23.200 with it. And so here's episode sixty six. Karen Fairchild, 0:14:23.200 --> 0:14:25.600 a little bigdown, talked about how they handled the backlash. 0:14:26.320 --> 0:14:28.560 I've had people in the business stop me and go man, 0:14:28.720 --> 0:14:31.000 that was a good one. Y'all did, like, woul do 0:14:31.080 --> 0:14:33.120 you think that we would actually do that? A couple 0:14:33.120 --> 0:14:36.400 of weeks before trying to ward off some of the 0:14:36.440 --> 0:14:39.800 negativity of just like moms that didn't think they wanted 0:14:39.800 --> 0:14:42.080 their children to hear I want to taste her lips 0:14:42.120 --> 0:14:44.720 in the morning on country radio and they were calling 0:14:44.720 --> 0:14:47.120 into complain, and so we were getting on there saying, 0:14:47.440 --> 0:14:50.840 you know, oh, it's a song about jealousy, and having 0:14:50.920 --> 0:14:53.520 to try to like get in the stations to play 0:14:53.520 --> 0:14:55.440 it that were thinking about dropping it because of the 0:14:55.480 --> 0:14:56.440 negative calls. 0:14:56.880 --> 0:14:59.560 So I want to taste your lips and come on, 0:14:59.600 --> 0:15:01.280 that's not that's. 0:15:01.400 --> 0:15:03.640 Yeah, yeah, you know that definitely crosses that line. 0:15:05.160 --> 0:15:06.480 That's great you want to cross it grade. I have 0:15:06.480 --> 0:15:07.160 no problem with the line. 0:15:07.200 --> 0:15:09.200 I'm just saying that that makes it a little different. 0:15:09.320 --> 0:15:11.040 Yeah, I forgot that line too. I would have used 0:15:11.040 --> 0:15:14.280 that when I was trying to counterpoint Garth Brooks we 0:15:14.280 --> 0:15:14.960 Shall be Free? 0:15:15.000 --> 0:15:16.120 Oh yeah, big time. 0:15:16.360 --> 0:15:21.240 They say is most controversial song in the catalog. Why 0:15:21.520 --> 0:15:24.600 I mean we Shall Be Free? Was you're a big 0:15:24.600 --> 0:15:25.240 Garth guy too. 0:15:25.240 --> 0:15:26.600 I am a big Garth guy. But I mean I 0:15:26.640 --> 0:15:29.280 was young when We Shall Be Free came out, But 0:15:29.920 --> 0:15:32.000 I think I even then I understood that it was, 0:15:32.680 --> 0:15:37.880 you know, just freeing people from not how to word this, 0:15:38.360 --> 0:15:41.600 I mean, is it like I think it was racism 0:15:41.680 --> 0:15:43.400 part yeah, part of right, absolutely, and that was a 0:15:43.400 --> 0:15:45.360 big part of it, just like you know, so you're 0:15:45.360 --> 0:15:46.000 all equal. 0:15:46.200 --> 0:15:46.440 Yep. 0:15:46.520 --> 0:15:48.400 So that's exactly what it was. 0:15:48.720 --> 0:15:50.720 So it's, by the way, one of his only songs 0:15:50.720 --> 0:15:52.200 to ever not even land in the top ten because 0:15:52.200 --> 0:15:53.200 stations wouldn't play it. 0:15:53.240 --> 0:15:53.880 That's crazy. 0:15:53.920 --> 0:15:58.320 But the song and the video imagine a world where 0:15:58.360 --> 0:16:02.040 there's no racism, to homophobia, no violence, but stations wouldn't 0:16:02.040 --> 0:16:02.400 play it. 0:16:02.560 --> 0:16:06.160 Wow, And I believe that's the video, the super Bowl video. 0:16:06.280 --> 0:16:07.760 That's it where he refused to go on to sing 0:16:07.760 --> 0:16:09.200 the national anthemunless they play the super Bowl. 0:16:09.240 --> 0:16:09.600 They showed you. 0:16:09.800 --> 0:16:10.760 I mean, that's how you do it. 0:16:10.840 --> 0:16:12.160 And then they have a new rule now where they 0:16:12.160 --> 0:16:12.600 always have. 0:16:12.520 --> 0:16:15.000 A backup, a backup performer. 0:16:15.080 --> 0:16:15.960 Yeah, just a case. 0:16:16.000 --> 0:16:18.320 Because he was like, hey, Joby there, Yeah, bon Job's 0:16:18.320 --> 0:16:19.800 in the crowd. They were gonna go ask on Joby 0:16:19.840 --> 0:16:21.200 to do it, but Garth was like, I'm not going 0:16:21.240 --> 0:16:23.080 to sing it unless you play the video like last 0:16:23.080 --> 0:16:24.040 minute wow. 0:16:24.040 --> 0:16:40.200 And they did. They played it, played the video. 0:16:32.920 --> 0:16:43.200 Good cast up, little food for yourself. 0:16:44.360 --> 0:16:44.600 Life. 0:16:44.920 --> 0:16:45.920 Oh it's pretty bad. 0:16:46.360 --> 0:16:48.680 It's pretty beautiful, beautiful for. 0:16:49.040 --> 0:16:54.160 A little more exciting, of course, said he can. 0:16:54.880 --> 0:16:58.800 You're kicking it with four with Amy Brown. 0:16:59.400 --> 0:17:03.960 So let's jump into the dating side of divorce. And 0:17:04.600 --> 0:17:08.639 I'm sort of new to that layer. My ex started 0:17:08.720 --> 0:17:13.040 dating almost immediately, which I guess is pretty common, and 0:17:13.119 --> 0:17:17.240 I have been slow to join the dating party. But 0:17:17.880 --> 0:17:20.760 what are your thoughts on how do you start that 0:17:21.160 --> 0:17:23.679 process and when do you know that you're ready? 0:17:23.880 --> 0:17:25.840 Well, let me comey at this by saying that I 0:17:25.920 --> 0:17:29.520 think most people aren't ready when they get separated to 0:17:29.640 --> 0:17:32.320 date again in a serious way, or look for a 0:17:32.320 --> 0:17:36.119 serious relationship. I think that it takes some time and 0:17:36.240 --> 0:17:39.119 introspection to look and say, Okay, I've just failed at 0:17:39.119 --> 0:17:41.280 a marriage which I didn't think would happen. Whether you're 0:17:41.280 --> 0:17:43.720 in it for a few years or twenty years, that's 0:17:43.760 --> 0:17:45.960 a major event, and I think you have to take 0:17:45.960 --> 0:17:49.920 a responsible perspective, meaning what was my part? You can't 0:17:49.960 --> 0:17:52.080 point the finger right at your spouse and say it 0:17:52.119 --> 0:17:54.800 was their fault and therefore I'm ready to date again. 0:17:55.200 --> 0:17:57.760 It takes two to tango right. You're in a relationship 0:17:57.760 --> 0:17:59.919 with someone. There are cases obviously where there's a few 0:18:00.119 --> 0:18:04.320 so there's something unusual. Well, obviously that's different, But I'm 0:18:04.320 --> 0:18:08.320 talking in a decently normal relationship. So I think you 0:18:08.440 --> 0:18:11.480 need to take some time and understand who am I 0:18:11.560 --> 0:18:14.040 at this point in my life? What do I really want? 0:18:14.240 --> 0:18:16.720 What have I learned from the relationship that I'm getting 0:18:16.760 --> 0:18:21.240 out of. Because if you take all your hurt, roll 0:18:21.320 --> 0:18:24.399 that up and go forward into the apps into a 0:18:24.400 --> 0:18:27.199 new relationship uncertain of what you want, you're just going 0:18:27.280 --> 0:18:30.160 to bring all that crap to someone else. Hurt someone else, 0:18:30.240 --> 0:18:34.240 can puse someone else. Now I'm not judging okay, because 0:18:34.280 --> 0:18:37.760 there are people who rebound immediately and start dating, go 0:18:37.800 --> 0:18:40.080 and create on the apps, and it's an individual choice. 0:18:40.119 --> 0:18:43.200