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Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from Coast to coast AM on iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: In recent week or so, there was news about building

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Speaker 2: nuclear reactors on the Moon in order to I guess,

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Speaker 2: give us the power to build what they want to

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Speaker 2: build their vision of expanding onto the Moon. So I

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Speaker 2: think a lot of people just assumed, oh, you'll just

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Speaker 2: put big solar panels on the surface and that'll be

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Speaker 2: enough to power what you need. But I mean, based

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Speaker 2: on the exploration that they're discussing, it seems like they

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Speaker 2: need a little something more beefier. So what do you

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Speaker 2: think about this plan about building these reactors on the

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Speaker 3: So this has been this has been something that's been

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Speaker 3: in development for many years. I mean, it's probably been

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Speaker 3: in development since at least the nineteen seventies, but I

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Speaker 3: dare say it's older than that. But contemporary nuclear reactors

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Speaker 3: is something that there's been a phenomenal amount of research

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Speaker 3: going into a building anything. Building a nuclear reactor in

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Speaker 3: the United States is nearly impossible because of regulations, and

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Speaker 3: so both NASA and contractors who've who've been working with

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Speaker 3: nats over the years, we're kind of hamstrung. We stopped

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Speaker 3: at you know, we really stopped in the seventies, but

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Speaker 3: it's just been on the drawing board since then.

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Speaker 4: But there have been sort of breakthroughs.

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Speaker 3: And let me see if I can remember the exact

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Speaker 3: I won't remember the exact technical phrase, but basically, it's

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Speaker 3: a it's a lower yield uranium that they can use

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Speaker 3: for powering these reactors, and it just falls under the

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Speaker 3: regulation sort of regime so they can actually develop them.

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Speaker 3: And they've they've had just phenomenal breakthroughs. We've got we've

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Speaker 3: both in terms of nuclear surface power reactors and also

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Speaker 3: propulsion systems. In fact, DARPA is going to be launching

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Speaker 3: a nuclear a nuclear propulsion system in the coming years.

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Speaker 3: I think it's twenty twenty seven right now. But the

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Speaker 3: cool thing about reactors on the Moon one solar power

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Speaker 3: can kind of work, but you start running into serious

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Speaker 3: issues very quickly. The Apollo missions were fairly short duration

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Speaker 3: stays on the Moon. With the Artemis program, assuming that

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Speaker 3: we are serious about it and we really do follow through,

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Speaker 3: which hasn't really seemed to be the case so far.

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Speaker 4: But if indeed we.

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Speaker 3: Do follow through it, these are long term missions and

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Speaker 3: remember you know, every two weeks the moon is plunged

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Speaker 3: into total darkness or are the place where we land,

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Speaker 3: just by virtue of the phases of the moon. So

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Speaker 3: solar power won't work in the dark.

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Speaker 4: And that's where reactors come in.

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Speaker 3: And I would also add that they have a secondary benefit, right,

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Speaker 3: Reactors generate heat. So if you've got like a little

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Speaker 3: moon rover that you use to drive around, you park

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Speaker 3: it right next to your reactor and you can keep it.

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Speaker 3: You can keep it warm and cryogenic temperatures.

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Speaker 2: And for the most part, that's a lot of how

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Speaker 2: these probes get energy.

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 4: The heat is off of uranium is how it works.

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Speaker 3: Right, So they have what's called a multimission radio asopto

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Speaker 3: radio radio astive thermoelectric generators or something to that effect.

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Speaker 4: And basically, right.

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Speaker 3: As these as plutonium decays very slowly eating it's a

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Speaker 3: tiny amount of heat and there's a there's a there's

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Speaker 3: a very famous and very old reaction where the coldness

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Speaker 3: of space with the heat of the uranium can create

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Speaker 3: a passive power source. These reactors, though these would be

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Speaker 3: active you know, active power are literally reac actors, right,

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Speaker 3: So they're actually doing the job in a way that

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Speaker 3: goes beyond just hot rocks.

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Speaker 4: Mm hmmm.

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Speaker 2: So what's at stake when it comes to exploration on

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Speaker 2: the Moon. What's left to learn about the Moon?

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Speaker 4: I mean, the truth is, we know virtually nothing about

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Speaker 4: the Moon. So there's an awful lot to learn that

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Speaker 4: The rocks that we've collected have been great.

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Speaker 3: But when you look at the Apollo landing sites, which

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Speaker 3: by the way, the greatest engineering achievement in human history.

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Speaker 4: So nothing that I'm going to say should be a diminishment.

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Speaker 3: But the whole point of the Apollo program was to

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Speaker 3: get there, and so we landed at these absolute safest

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Speaker 3: sites possible, right, especially giving the technology at the time,

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Speaker 3: The Artless program looks to aim at more strategic landing sites,

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Speaker 3: sites where you would potentially want a base, So places

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Speaker 3: around Shackleton Crater where you've got these permanently shadowed regions,

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Speaker 3: where there's going to be water ice that you could

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Speaker 3: that you could mine and sustain yourself up there. You know,

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Speaker 3: these are these are medium term goals, and they are

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Speaker 4: It just really.

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Speaker 3: We just need a focus at NASA in order to

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Speaker 4: And I don't know that we've seen that yet.

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Speaker 3: But but in terms of the composition of the Moon, geology,

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Speaker 3: how it works, where it came from, how it affected

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Speaker 3: the formation of life on Earth. You know, when I

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Speaker 3: know very little about our celestial companion up there.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, some people have theorized that the Moon could be hollow.

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Speaker 2: Do you have any take on that?

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Speaker 4: Seems unlikely?

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Speaker 3: But I am not a planetary scientist, and there's an

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Speaker 3: awful lot of well, it would be very difficult for

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Speaker 3: that to have been the case to form naturally, but

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Speaker 3: who knows.

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Speaker 4: Stranger things have happened. Well, that's part of I guess

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Speaker 4: exploring it.

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Speaker 2: Do you think the United States is in a position

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Speaker 2: to still be the leader for space exploration. It seems

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Speaker 2: like these other countries have really ramped up their programs China, India,

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Speaker 2: they want to send probes and rovers to the Moon

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Speaker 2: as quick as possible. It seems like they've kind of

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Speaker 2: lapsed US in some ways, at least when it comes

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Speaker 2: to Moon exploration.

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Speaker 4: But by far is the United States still the leader? No? No,

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Speaker 4: I wouldn't say so at all.

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Speaker 3: If we're talking about getting back to the Moon technically

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Speaker 3: gets I mean, obviously, America won the space race in

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Speaker 3: the nineteen sixties, so let's you know, but if we're

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Speaker 3: talking about this generation putting human beings on the Moon, China.

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Speaker 4: Is running circles around us.

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Speaker 3: China has a very disciplined, well funded, highly technical lunar

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Speaker 3: want to do and when they want to do it,

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Speaker 3: and they're keeping track or keeping pace they're doing it.

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Speaker 3: The United States has been floundering for decades with respect

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Speaker 3: to lunar exploration. My personal belief was that back in

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Speaker 3: twenty twenty earlier than that, really, but we'll just use

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Speaker 3: going to the Moon, we should have just gone straight

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Speaker 4: China has rapidly caught.

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Speaker 3: Up with us in terms of Mars exploration now, so

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Speaker 3: even that is sort of called into question. I think

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Speaker 2: Okay, So if you were to rank the space explorers

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Speaker 2: can rank them in terms of advancement. Who's in the

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Speaker 2: best position to go to let's say Mars. Let's say China,

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Speaker 2: United States, and Elon Musk so we're privatizing it.

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Speaker 4: What order would you put them in? Most likely to

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Speaker 3: For the Moon is going to be China, and there's

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Speaker 3: just no China would have to have some sort of

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Speaker 3: In terms of Mars, that's an interesting question.

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Speaker 4: I think SpaceX is.

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Speaker 3: Going to go to Mars, whether or not the NASA

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Speaker 3: sort of allow that to happen. And I don't mean

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Speaker 3: NASA would write the check to have that NASA logo

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Speaker 3: to put SpaceX above NASA. I do think that any

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Speaker 3: impulse that NASA has to go to Mars is completely

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Speaker 3: driven by SpaceX's desire to go to Mars, and they

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Speaker 3: Elon Musk, and every one of them said the same thing.

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Speaker 3: They said, whenever we have to make a decision, it

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Speaker 3: doesn't matter how big or small the decision is. We

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Speaker 3: ask ourselves one question, will this get us closer to Mars?

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Speaker 4: If the answer is yes, we do it. If the

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Speaker 3: So I do think that if the United States go,

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Speaker 3: if NASA goes to Mars, it's because SpaceX pulled them there.

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Speaker 3: And I think that we are still better positioned to

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Speaker 4: But you know, NASA is really good at tripping over.

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Speaker 3: Its own shoelaces, and a lot of that's not it's

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Speaker 3: followed a lot of that, as you know, political influence

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Speaker 3: remains to be seen. I would love to see humans

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Speaker 4: Away from going to Mars.

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Speaker 3: And if you ask me right now, how long is

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Speaker 3: say about twenty years.

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Speaker 2: It's always the same, perpetual twenty years. But we think

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Speaker 2: that really reignited people's imaginations. It's funny how you mentioned

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Speaker 2: SpaceX and their drive to get to Mars and not

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Speaker 2: so much of a race as it is. The United

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Speaker 2: States would almost want to stick their branding on that

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Speaker 2: to allow China to do that first, which I totally understand.

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Speaker 2: But a fascinating idea that you've brought up in the past,

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Speaker 2: and you're saying when you talk to engineers at SpaceX,

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Speaker 2: their main goal is if this helps us on Mars,

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Speaker 2: then let's do it. If it doesn't, then it's a

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Speaker 2: waste of time. What are some of the things that

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Speaker 2: they've worked on here that would indicate all signs are

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Speaker 3: Oh wow, that's a good question, and then there's a

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Speaker 3: to say, and this is probably a much bigger conversation,

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Speaker 3: I'm happy to have that Elon Musk has sort of

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Speaker 3: proven himself to be I would not want to live

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Speaker 3: on a colony owned by Elon Musk. I'll just say that,

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Speaker 3: so I and we can talk a lot about that,

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Speaker 3: because that there's a lot to unpack there. However, I

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Speaker 3: will say this, if you look at Elon Musk's portfolio

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Speaker 3: of companies, what do you have? You have a car

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Speaker 3: company that are a electric car company. You've got a

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Speaker 3: solar panel company. You've got the Boring company that drills tunnels.

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Speaker 3: You've got SpaceX, you've got Starlink. These this portfolio, you've

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Speaker 3: got AI Like. These companies make no sense under a

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Speaker 4: You've got you've got hyper Loop, right, the tunnels that are.

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Speaker 3: Powered by uh, you know, a certain highly pressure eyed system,

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Speaker 3: the Boring Company and SpaceX. However, if you take all

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Speaker 3: You're gonnaed to be able to build tunnels because subterranean

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Speaker 3: company that builds tunnels. You need communications, well, starlink, The

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Speaker 3: same technology of starlink on Earth is going to work

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Speaker 3: And then you look at something like hyper loop, which

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Speaker 3: Or sort of elon Musk companies in terms of doing

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