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Speaker 2: How many Pro Bowls?

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Speaker 2: Damn many? How many All Pros? You know, he's got a.

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Speaker 1: the red zone target, as a man who ran routes,

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Speaker 2: I don't know if your tight end can't do what

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Speaker 1: can move. You know, you Q came into the league

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Speaker 1: We're not gonna say what the monetary value of the

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Speaker 3: Oh well that was definitely me, absolutely.

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Speaker 3: Others multiples because a lot of people were betting on it.

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Speaker 3: But that started. I gave him three months to train

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Speaker 3: I mean I took ten million less to go there,

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Speaker 3: And you know, it's just something that evaded me for

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Speaker 3: Yeah? Brutal, brutal. So you know, I'm managing that, trying

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Speaker 3: And that's just NonStop. The boat is always moving twenty

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Speaker 2: Why you're sleep for for an hour fifty minutes of

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Speaker 2: so what the hell you mean? Fifty for two days straight?

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Speaker 2: And then when this when when this challenge how happens?

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Speaker 3: The world records fifteen days four hours? So this will

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Speaker 3: Yeah? I mean we'll waves like so up there in

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Speaker 3: the Arctic, it's the average temperature in July is going

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Speaker 3: I never had a dream about this. This is all

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that just sounds amazing for me. Sleeping waking

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Speaker 3: Sleep, oh man, and then making right decisions. Right. So

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Speaker 2: So when you get into serious training, this happens in

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so we leave in June, we wait for the

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Speaker 3: this is this is insane. So there's only been sixteen

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Speaker 3: been more people to walk on the Moon than have

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Speaker 2: Wow.

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Speaker 1: All right, but at least you're you're doing it for

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Speaker 1: a good cause. Million meters possibly over a million dollars,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we're hoping, I mean, because all this is happening,

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Speaker 1: What are you what are you most excited about on

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Speaker 1: this challenge? Okay, that you have the apparently the nautical

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Speaker 3: The navigator, Yeah, I would say them uh leaving Trump SA,

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Speaker 3: we have to get out of the Fjords, which is

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Speaker 3: the Fjords, so that's gonna be absolutely beautiful.

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Speaker 1: The only time I've ever heard fjords is in the

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Speaker 3: Yeah continue, Yeah, I mean basically they play. And then

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Speaker 3: not only that, the glacier is that we're going to

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Speaker 3: have to understand that. So that's a problem. I keep

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Speaker 3: got to be completely sealed, because that's the only reason,

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Speaker 3: that's the only way the boat, if it rolls over,

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Speaker 1: Well.

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Speaker 3: When they're sealed, you run out of oxygen in there,

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Speaker 3: and because of your body heat, it creates like conversation everywhere.

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Speaker 3: So this one team that did it, they had about

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I don't understand the intrigue for a man

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Speaker 2: And I'm just like, I'm gonna just like.

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Speaker 1: Give you your flowers now because apparently you're you're going

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Speaker 1: this is the last reckless feet.

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Speaker 3: That I have to like no, no, no, no, no, well.

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Speaker 1: Me, no, no, no, no, no, there's nothing more reckless than like, okay,

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Speaker 1: so there's the moon next.

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Speaker 3: No, it's all about mitigating risks, which we're doing constantly.

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Speaker 3: That's why I've been so.

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Speaker 2: Busy mitigating risks.

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Speaker 1: Would be like, hey, let me not take my ass

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Speaker 1: onto THETIC challenge. But you're doing it for the kids,

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Speaker 1: and I can't fight that.

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Speaker 2: Part of it.

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Speaker 3: That's problem is I'm too far into this point. So

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Speaker 3: some of the issues of weather, we're gonna get hit

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Speaker 1: I'll get to escort with this, Like is there gonna

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Speaker 3: That is the biggest issue. The biggest issue is because

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Speaker 3: we're going after world records, you cannot have a boat

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Speaker 3: following you, so it's unassisted. Well, we'll be up there completely.

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Speaker 2: Like you had to say, there's other worries. Now, that

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Speaker 2: is the biggest worry. If I need help, there is

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Speaker 3: Well, all those other well, all those other things.

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Speaker 1: That's why you like because like some some people are like, man,

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Speaker 1: I don't know if I can swim like that.

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Speaker 3: Well, I mean like I'm technically going to be the

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Speaker 3: first light skin ever up there. So you know that's

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Speaker 2: I okay, yeah yeah, somebody gotta fight back for Drake.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I have too. I'm gonna do my best. Well.

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Speaker 2: I appreciate you be tapping into the pop always