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Speaker 1: And now move the sticks with Daniel, Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks.

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Speaker 2: What's up? Everybody?

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Speaker 1: Welcome to move to stacks, DJ Buck with you Buck,

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Speaker 1: what's happening man Man?

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Speaker 2: Not too much? Djy.

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Speaker 3: I got this question that I didn't ask you when

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Speaker 3: we were talking, having our little happy chat before we started,

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Speaker 3: But I wanted to ask you just because so many

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Speaker 3: scouts or aspiring scouts, and so I'm just curious about

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Speaker 3: was listening to a podcast and people were kind of

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Speaker 3: reading a report and they were kind of like pointing

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Speaker 3: out certain plays on a player, and I was thinking

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Speaker 3: when I watched tape the first part of when I

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Speaker 3: watched tape, I have my pen down and I'm just

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Speaker 3: trying to get a feel for what the player is,

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Speaker 3: how he moves, how he does stuff whatever.

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Speaker 2: I don't start taking notes. If we were doing like

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Speaker 3: Thing, I probably don't start taking notes until about the

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Speaker 2: I just kind of want to watch and get a

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Speaker 3: General observations on athleticism and movement and things that flash

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Speaker 3: for instance, I'm looking at a pass rusher and I

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Speaker 3: see him dipping rip.

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Speaker 2: Okay, that's one time. Oh different rip, Oh that's Oh.

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Speaker 3: This is his move, this is this is what he does,

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Speaker 3: this is his signature. Okay, I got that. Oh, what's

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Speaker 2: What does he have? Problems with? Those things?

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Speaker 3: And then when it comes to writing the report or

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Speaker 3: getting down to the final thing, right, you call them

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Speaker 2: And so that's always at the bottom of the thing.

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Speaker 3: like your process when you're watching tape, because you and

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Speaker 1: I just jotted it down, so, uh, I just put

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Speaker 3: But I do think sometimes because of TV, we do

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Speaker 3: I feel like I was blessed enough that like we

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Speaker 2: When you were in Baltimore, everyone coined the phrase and

440
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Speaker 2: people have since told it, you got to play like

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Speaker 2: a raven like.

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Speaker 3: There was a very specific vision for how the players

443
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Speaker 3: had to perform to be able to come into this

444
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Speaker 3: locker room and put on the jersey. And if you

445
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Speaker 3: don't have those trades like you can't you can't play

446
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Speaker 3: for them. I think it's really clear that we don't

447
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Speaker 3: get caught up in like a these are the words,

448
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Speaker 3: this is what we say we're about, and it doesn't

449
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Speaker 3: match with the kind of players that you bring into

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Speaker 3: the building.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a great point. I wrote that down Tta.

452
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Speaker 1: I did like that discipline, toughness and accountable. The one

453
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Speaker 1: other team there in the top five that I wanted

454
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Speaker 1: to hit you on because I do think it's kind

455
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Speaker 1: of a sneaky big year for them, and I want

456
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Speaker 1: to keep coming back to the Rams. But the Rams

457
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Speaker 1: flipped it. They flipped the roster, they got younger, and

458
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Speaker 1: they're in really really good shape there now the forty

459
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Speaker 1: nine ers coming off of you know, I would say

460
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Speaker 1: just maybe a little lethargic, just because of all the

461
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Speaker 1: success they've had, the long postseason runs caught up to

462
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Speaker 1: him a little bit massive exodus in the offseason. They're

463
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Speaker 1: gonna end up paying Brock here pretty soon. They have

464
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Speaker 1: a lot of draft capital. Man, they got a lot

465
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Speaker 1: they need to accomplish here.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they do. And you know what's funny. The Niners

467
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Speaker 2: are in a weird spot right.

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Speaker 3: They are good and even though like they had a

469
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Speaker 3: down year this year, but they were just old enough

470
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Speaker 3: to begin to show some signs of decline. But those

471
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Speaker 3: older players were still good enough that you didn't want

472
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Speaker 3: to move off of them. So it requires some discipline

473
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Speaker 3: to be able to make some of these hard decisions.

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Speaker 3: And I'll say this, they've been I would say in

475
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Speaker 3: a way, and I know they have some years that

476
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Speaker 3: haven't been as great, but they've been so good for

477
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Speaker 3: so long. The DJ I think sometimes you can have

478
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Speaker 3: not an arrogance, but you can turn a blind eye

479
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Speaker 3: to having to make some of the decisions that you

480
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Speaker 3: need to make to sustain it. At a high level.

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Speaker 3: We're seeing in Philadelphia where Howie Roseman and those guys

482
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Speaker 3: like they are not emotionally attached to some of the

483
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Speaker 3: guy that really helped them win their last Super Bowl.

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Speaker 2: But because they knew they had to stay.

485
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Speaker 3: Disciplined in that regard to allow them to continue to

486
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Speaker 3: build upon what they've established, the Niners have to make

487
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Speaker 3: sure they get back to that.

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Speaker 2: I feel like they lost.

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Speaker 3: A little bit of their way and a little bit

490
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Speaker 3: of the identity that really made them the team that

491
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Speaker 3: people did not like playing, meaning when they were at

492
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Speaker 3: their best, I felt like they could whip you with

493
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Speaker 3: waves of defensive linemen, multiple guys up front that could

494
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Speaker 3: wear you down. And then on offense, they had a

495
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Speaker 3: bunch of versatile playmakers that were tough, multi purpose, dynamic

496
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Speaker 3: that they could create explosive plays in so many different

497
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Speaker 3: ways that it took a lot of the pressure off

498
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Speaker 3: the quarterback. It wasn't necessarily a quarterback driven team, even

499
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Speaker 3: though you had to have the right guy managing it.

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Speaker 3: I don't know if they I don't know if they

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Speaker 3: brought those same kind of players in in the last

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Speaker 3: couple of years to sustain what they established a few

503
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Speaker 3: years ago.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, they've got to get it right this year.

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Speaker 1: They've got to get some young pieces. You look at

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Speaker 1: the exodus there, Deebo, Samuel Dre Greenlaw, Hargrave, funga Ward Corner,

507
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Speaker 1: the tackle, got a ton of money more in free agency,

508
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Speaker 1: Leonard Floyd's gone. I mean, they've got a lot of

509
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Speaker 1: guys that have left and not a lot of guys

510
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Speaker 1: that came in, so they were going to rely on

511
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Speaker 1: these young guys, which Robert Sala being back there I

512
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Speaker 1: think is big because teaching developing is going to be big.

513
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Speaker 1: You know, get a lot of young guys are going

514
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Speaker 1: to get on the field next year. So it's a

515
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Speaker 1: big year. It's a big draft for the San Francisco

516
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Speaker 1: forty nine ers. All right, that's a wrap for the

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Speaker 2: Back, all right, Buck.

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Speaker 1: I feel like we have this conversation on a yearly

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Speaker 1: basis because if there's one thing that I've learned about

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Speaker 1: folks that are paying attention to the draft, that there

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Speaker 1: seems to be for the most part, I would say

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Speaker 1: a universal criticism is that I think there's a disconnect

527
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Speaker 1: between what we do on personnel side and the and

528
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Speaker 1: then the consumption side that they don't like comparisons. Oh

529
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Speaker 1: stop comparing guys, Like everybody's their own person. And I

530
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Speaker 1: think that's maybe that's kind of like the New Age

531
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Speaker 1: worldview or whatever. You know, Hey, just be your own person.

532
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Speaker 1: Nobody's everybody's a snowflake. There's no two things that are

533
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Speaker 1: the same. Like, yeah, we get it, we know that

534
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Speaker 1: you're no such thing as perfect you know, comparisons here,

535
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Speaker 1: But it's context and when you've been doing it for

536
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Speaker 1: a long time, there's value in context, and it gives

537
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Speaker 1: a vision. If you haven't seen a player, and I

538
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Speaker 1: tell you this player, if he hits his upside, you're

539
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Speaker 1: looking at somebody that's got, you know, Fred Warner type tools.

540
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Speaker 1: So maybe he's not gonna be as good as Fred Warner,

541
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Speaker 1: but you can utilize him in that way. He's got

542
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Speaker 1: that type of skill set. I I think it's it's

543
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Speaker 1: incredibly important in the process.

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Speaker 2: Let's make sure we explain to people the process.

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Speaker 3: So I want everyone to understand that when you're working

546
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Speaker 3: for a team and we're in meetings, When we're in meetings,

547
00:25:12,400 --> 00:25:16,040
Speaker 3: videos not necessarily playing. We are doing what we used

548
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Speaker 3: to do, read reports. So part of the reason why

549
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Speaker 3: you had to give a comparison is as I'm reading

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Speaker 3: the report and everyone is sitting around, particularly the head coach,

551
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Speaker 3: because when I was in Carolina, John Fox was there,

552
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Speaker 3: and John Fox is very visual, and so for me,

553
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Speaker 3: I knew that if I wanted him to understand a

554
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Speaker 3: player that I liked, I had to give him a

555
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Speaker 3: visual of someone who was having success so he could

556
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Speaker 3: be like, oh, okay, I got it.

557
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Speaker 2: And so that's where the comparisons started from. We're reading

558
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Speaker 2: these reports. It's all this verbiage, but finally the coach

559
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Speaker 2: wants to know, well, who is he going to be?

560
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Speaker 2: Who is he like?

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Speaker 3: And then you say, hey, coach, he's kind of like

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Speaker 3: such and such on our team. Oh okay, okay, I

563
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Speaker 3: can get around that. And then when I go then

564
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Speaker 3: when he goes and looks at the tape, he'll kind

565
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Speaker 3: and say, oh, hey, you know what, You're right, he

566
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Speaker 3: is like that, but.

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Speaker 2: He has this better. He needs that, but it gives

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Speaker 2: him a starting point of what the player is and

569
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Speaker 2: what he could be in the league, because you've given

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Speaker 2: him a comparison to someone that he knows. And that's

571
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Speaker 2: why point of reference and experience is so important, because

572
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Speaker 2: you can throw those comparisons out there to help your coaches,

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Speaker 2: your general manager understand who this player is.

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Speaker 1: And who he could be at the next level, no doubt.

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Speaker 1: And again, some of these comparisons you hear Hall of

576
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Speaker 1: Fame level players and you go, I'm not saying this

577
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Speaker 1: guy's a Hall of Famer, but I'm saying this is

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Speaker 1: how he's going to be utilized. These are his strengths,

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Speaker 1: these are the similarities. So I'm gonna rip through some

580
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Speaker 1: of these, buck and I just want to get your

581
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Speaker 1: immediate reaction and then we'll go to the next ones.

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Speaker 1: You ready, yep, let's do it all right. Well, I'm

583
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Speaker 1: gonna start right there at the top here, Abdul Carter,

584
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Speaker 1: and I wrote down a guy that you've seen a

585
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Speaker 1: lot of we all have over the years, Von Miller.

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Speaker 2: This is a really good one.

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Speaker 3: And it's a really good one because I think people

588
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Speaker 3: need to go back when we talked about the comparison

589
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Speaker 3: is von Miller coming out of Texas a and m

590
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Speaker 3: and his explosiveness, how bindy he was turning the corner

591
00:27:08,480 --> 00:27:11,200
Speaker 3: and that move that he perfected as a pro, he

592
00:27:11,320 --> 00:27:14,639
Speaker 3: showed flashes of being able to perfect it as a collegiate.

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Speaker 3: Abdua Carter also has that. So when I see that,

594
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Speaker 3: it speaks to the speed, the explosiveness, the bindieness that

595
00:27:22,080 --> 00:27:24,879
Speaker 3: he displays, but also the ability to turn that speed

596
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Speaker 3: and to power when he needs to take someone right

597
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Speaker 3: down the middle.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: So I mean, again, that's the lofty praise there, lofty comparison,

600
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Speaker 1: but that's the style at which he plays. So this

601
00:27:35,320 --> 00:27:37,159
Speaker 1: was an interesting one with Travis Hunter. You got to

602
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Speaker 1: do two. So I had thrown out different names over

603
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Speaker 1: the years, and I've settled on Garrett Wilson as my

604
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Speaker 1: wide receiver comedy just watching how smooth and easy he moved.

605
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Speaker 1: But the defensive one is a guy that you liked

606
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Speaker 1: back in the day, but as someone who was just

607
00:27:53,400 --> 00:27:58,679
Speaker 1: a prolific ball skills take it away and sees the

608
00:27:58,720 --> 00:28:01,760
Speaker 1: game really really well. Not the body comparison, but just

609
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Speaker 1: how they stylistically played the game.

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Speaker 2: Marcus Peters, Oh, I did I did have a thing.

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Speaker 1: You were a Marcus Peters guy.

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Speaker 2: Marcus Peters.

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Speaker 1: Peters took the ball away a lot, and he wasn't

614
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Speaker 1: a long long run.

615
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Speaker 2: But he did. He did take the ball away a lot.

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Speaker 2: He did have a nice run.

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Speaker 3: I mean, he had a couple of Pro Bowls on

618
00:28:20,040 --> 00:28:22,320
Speaker 3: this thing or whatever, and he was an interception ball

619
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Speaker 3: hockey magnet. Uh, Travis has elite ballhawking skills. And I

620
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Speaker 3: know when we talk about him DJ And that's that's

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Speaker 3: why it's funny you talk about like Marcus Peters, because

622
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Speaker 3: Marcus Peters did his damage playing off in a way

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Speaker 3: from see everything see I firmly believe that Travis Hunter

624
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Speaker 3: would be better suited to play in a defense that

625
00:28:44,720 --> 00:28:48,160
Speaker 3: played zone, that allowed him to see the wall so

626
00:28:48,200 --> 00:28:53,040
Speaker 3: he could get interceptions off tips and overthrows and educated guesses.

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Speaker 2: I like the comparison because.

628
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Speaker 3: This dude is really good. And I know people we

629
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Speaker 3: had this debate. People talk about him lockdown corner whatever.

630
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Speaker 3: I don't know if he's a lockdown corner. I think

631
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Speaker 3: he's a playmaker on defense more so than a lockdown

632
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Speaker 3: corner in terms of someone that's gonna defend one after

633
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Speaker 3: field and no one's gonna catch your pass.

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Speaker 2: I agree with that.

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Speaker 1: All right, we'll go a little rapid fire here.

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Speaker 2: Gent mjd oh mj d y MJD give me the MJD.

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Speaker 1: Same body type, same balance, Like you couldn't get to MJD.

638
00:29:24,800 --> 00:29:27,080
Speaker 1: I felt like guys couldn't get their arms around MJD

639
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Speaker 1: when he was running.

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Speaker 2: They definitely couldn't tackle him. I feel like.

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00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:32,680
Speaker 1: Jent's the same guy, just people to bounce off of him,

642
00:29:32,880 --> 00:29:34,880
Speaker 1: and then he does have that burst. He has that

643
00:29:34,920 --> 00:29:37,520
Speaker 1: little burst now MJD with a little faster, but he

644
00:29:37,560 --> 00:29:40,840
Speaker 1: does have that just initial suddenness to pop burst out.

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00:29:40,960 --> 00:29:41,840
Speaker 1: I saw JD.

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Speaker 3: You know it's funny man, when I go back and

647
00:29:43,880 --> 00:29:45,400
Speaker 3: I look at because you know, sometimes you look at

648
00:29:45,400 --> 00:29:46,920
Speaker 3: the top guys early than you put them in the bed.

649
00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:48,640
Speaker 3: You spend a lot of time on the guys at

650
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Speaker 3: a blow uh the line.

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Speaker 2: And DJ he's such.

652
00:29:52,720 --> 00:29:57,920
Speaker 3: A rare combination of everything right, strength and power, balanced

653
00:29:57,920 --> 00:30:01,160
Speaker 3: body control, bursts, this says to take it the house.

654
00:30:01,960 --> 00:30:05,800
Speaker 3: Competitive stamina where like nine games with thirty plus carries

655
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Speaker 3: that is crazy in today's game.

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Speaker 2: He looked m j D. I remember watching m D

657
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Speaker 2: g at U c l A.

658
00:30:13,720 --> 00:30:15,280
Speaker 3: He gets so mad at me because I was like,

659
00:30:15,480 --> 00:30:19,600
Speaker 3: I you looked short. Didn't love it, you know, but

660
00:30:20,400 --> 00:30:23,480
Speaker 3: so good and so dynamic for a long time in

661
00:30:23,600 --> 00:30:26,440
Speaker 3: Jacksonville then with the Raiders and those things. Look, I

662
00:30:26,480 --> 00:30:28,920
Speaker 3: think Gents is a star and we can say they

663
00:30:28,920 --> 00:30:30,800
Speaker 3: look m j D was a star in the league.

664
00:30:30,840 --> 00:30:33,720
Speaker 3: I think I think I think mj D is a

665
00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:37,160
Speaker 3: I mean, I think Asten Genty has star power written

666
00:30:37,240 --> 00:30:40,959
Speaker 3: all over him. Right situation, He's gonna be terrific. This

667
00:30:41,000 --> 00:30:41,600
Speaker 3: one's interesting.

668
00:30:41,640 --> 00:30:44,200
Speaker 1: Mason Graham, Kyle Williams is the first name that popped in,

669
00:30:44,920 --> 00:30:47,160
Speaker 1: but then I ended up going with Luis Castill, remember

670
00:30:47,240 --> 00:30:54,120
Speaker 1: him oho Northwestern? Yes, yes, that's Castille. I think he

671
00:30:54,160 --> 00:30:56,440
Speaker 1: got He might have got popped for a drug testing.

672
00:30:57,880 --> 00:31:00,280
Speaker 1: But he was a good young player in the and

673
00:31:00,320 --> 00:31:02,920
Speaker 1: that defense at Merriman, all those guys back in the day.

674
00:31:02,960 --> 00:31:04,560
Speaker 3: Good player. But you know what the thing about that

675
00:31:04,640 --> 00:31:07,440
Speaker 3: defense talk boy Merriman. He was a glue guy down there,

676
00:31:07,520 --> 00:31:10,760
Speaker 3: but a very talented glue guy on the interior where

677
00:31:10,800 --> 00:31:13,959
Speaker 3: you had to pay attention to him. To me, Mason Graham,

678
00:31:14,040 --> 00:31:17,440
Speaker 3: is that when when Mason Graham walks in, you won't

679
00:31:17,440 --> 00:31:19,960
Speaker 3: be impressed with like the physique, you won't be impressed

680
00:31:19,960 --> 00:31:22,320
Speaker 3: with like the lenk or whatever. But when you turn

681
00:31:22,360 --> 00:31:23,800
Speaker 3: on the tape, which is why you have to look

682
00:31:23,800 --> 00:31:26,000
Speaker 3: at the tape man. It's hard to find a better

683
00:31:26,120 --> 00:31:28,920
Speaker 3: quote unquote football player than Mason Graham.

684
00:31:29,200 --> 00:31:31,840
Speaker 2: He does all that and Louis can see it. That's man,

685
00:31:31,880 --> 00:31:33,760
Speaker 2: that's a blast from the past. Yeah.

686
00:31:33,840 --> 00:31:40,480
Speaker 1: So that's why I'm grabbing some I'm grabbing Yeah, Jalen Walker.

687
00:31:40,520 --> 00:31:42,120
Speaker 1: I got this from a decordinator. We talked about this

688
00:31:42,120 --> 00:31:43,480
Speaker 1: the other day with Dante hight Tower.

689
00:31:44,400 --> 00:31:45,400
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, physical.

690
00:31:45,880 --> 00:31:48,680
Speaker 3: I mean, you're talking about a grown man who can

691
00:31:48,800 --> 00:31:54,160
Speaker 3: play spots, play multiple spots, heavy handed, could pass rush

692
00:31:54,160 --> 00:31:55,600
Speaker 3: when you needed him, the pass rush.

693
00:31:55,440 --> 00:31:56,240
Speaker 2: Coming off the edge.

694
00:31:56,240 --> 00:31:58,360
Speaker 3: But if you need to get into that rocking SoC

695
00:31:58,400 --> 00:32:00,760
Speaker 3: can roll by game in the bo he could do that.

696
00:32:01,120 --> 00:32:04,840
Speaker 3: Jayden Walker is that And to me, Jdaen Walker is

697
00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:09,320
Speaker 3: now the version of linebacker that everyone is looking for.

698
00:32:09,680 --> 00:32:12,000
Speaker 3: I wanted the early down linebacker that could be my

699
00:32:12,080 --> 00:32:14,400
Speaker 3: guy that can run in the box. But then on

700
00:32:14,800 --> 00:32:17,600
Speaker 3: sub packages, man, I need another guy that can enhance

701
00:32:17,640 --> 00:32:21,000
Speaker 3: the pass rush. And that's what Donte hot Tower could do.

702
00:32:21,320 --> 00:32:23,760
Speaker 3: And it's definitely what Jalen Walker is able to bring

703
00:32:23,800 --> 00:32:24,280
Speaker 3: to the table.

704
00:32:25,400 --> 00:32:27,480
Speaker 1: All right, I'm gonna go grab a couple more here.

705
00:32:28,400 --> 00:32:30,720
Speaker 1: This one was I did this one at the combine

706
00:32:30,840 --> 00:32:33,480
Speaker 1: and then came back to it here. But Will Campbell,

707
00:32:33,480 --> 00:32:36,000
Speaker 1: Michael Ruse, oh Man.

708
00:32:36,360 --> 00:32:39,560
Speaker 3: Man going up to Eastern Washington watching Michael rus who

709
00:32:39,600 --> 00:32:41,120
Speaker 3: donated red in fru Field.

710
00:32:41,200 --> 00:32:45,040
Speaker 1: Now, yeah, like he man, he was.

711
00:32:45,160 --> 00:32:47,120
Speaker 3: He was so good. He was a small school standard.

712
00:32:47,320 --> 00:32:50,160
Speaker 3: He was so solid and steady or whatever. And Will

713
00:32:50,240 --> 00:32:52,800
Speaker 3: Campbell has that. People will talking about the length or

714
00:32:52,800 --> 00:32:54,640
Speaker 3: whatever when you turn on the tape, DJ, he's steady.

715
00:32:54,760 --> 00:32:57,520
Speaker 2: Eddy. Now he's productive. You've got to grade him on

716
00:32:57,560 --> 00:32:58,320
Speaker 2: what he's able to do.

717
00:32:58,360 --> 00:33:00,880
Speaker 3: And he has held his own and very competitively, and

718
00:33:01,560 --> 00:33:03,600
Speaker 3: he's held his own for a long time.

719
00:33:03,360 --> 00:33:06,320
Speaker 2: At LSU young stepping into the starting line, if it

720
00:33:06,400 --> 00:33:07,920
Speaker 2: held his own, Yeah, it's solid.

721
00:33:08,920 --> 00:33:12,880
Speaker 1: Will Johnson went with I went with Richard Sherman on

722
00:33:12,920 --> 00:33:15,840
Speaker 1: this one. Someone who's got to play. I like him

723
00:33:15,880 --> 00:33:18,520
Speaker 1: better playing top down than someone who you're just gonna

724
00:33:18,600 --> 00:33:21,880
Speaker 1: leave alone and press him and not give him any help.

725
00:33:22,040 --> 00:33:23,920
Speaker 1: I like him being able to see, similar to what

726
00:33:23,960 --> 00:33:27,120
Speaker 1: we were talking about earlier with Travis Hunter. I think

727
00:33:27,200 --> 00:33:29,720
Speaker 1: when he can do that, he's smooth, he sees things,

728
00:33:29,760 --> 00:33:34,560
Speaker 1: he's smart. I was talking to a coach who was

729
00:33:35,200 --> 00:33:37,560
Speaker 1: tight with Sherman, and I know Richard a little bit

730
00:33:37,600 --> 00:33:39,000
Speaker 1: and you've talked to him over the years, but I

731
00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:40,800
Speaker 1: would love to have this conversation with him because he

732
00:33:40,800 --> 00:33:43,400
Speaker 1: brought up a great point. He said, if you just

733
00:33:43,440 --> 00:33:45,320
Speaker 1: put me out there in one on ones, which is

734
00:33:45,560 --> 00:33:47,120
Speaker 1: me and one other guy on the field, he said,

735
00:33:47,160 --> 00:33:49,360
Speaker 1: probably wouldn't do very good. But he said, you put

736
00:33:49,360 --> 00:33:51,120
Speaker 1: the number two receiver out there, and I can see

737
00:33:51,120 --> 00:33:54,640
Speaker 1: what he was doing, I'll be just fine. He could

738
00:33:54,720 --> 00:33:56,959
Speaker 1: see and he knew route combinations, and he knew if

739
00:33:56,960 --> 00:33:58,960
Speaker 1: he had a feel for it, if he's releasing here,

740
00:33:58,960 --> 00:34:00,520
Speaker 1: I know what this guy is doing. Based off what

741
00:34:00,560 --> 00:34:03,720
Speaker 1: that guy's doing, Like I think Will Johnson from what

742
00:34:03,800 --> 00:34:06,560
Speaker 1: I watched, I see some of that similarities to him.

743
00:34:06,560 --> 00:34:08,719
Speaker 1: I think he's got a good processor. I think he's

744
00:34:08,800 --> 00:34:10,680
Speaker 1: more The way it was, the way that it was

745
00:34:11,200 --> 00:34:14,399
Speaker 1: used to explain to me, was like he wins, he's

746
00:34:14,440 --> 00:34:16,600
Speaker 1: gonna win more with his brain than with his engine.

747
00:34:16,760 --> 00:34:19,280
Speaker 1: Something along those lines. I thought that was interesting.

748
00:34:19,680 --> 00:34:23,480
Speaker 3: I believe one that's who he is. To me, He's

749
00:34:23,560 --> 00:34:26,800
Speaker 3: a high IQ corner who needs to play in the defense.

750
00:34:26,840 --> 00:34:31,080
Speaker 3: That really leverages that out. His strengths are his ability

751
00:34:31,160 --> 00:34:34,719
Speaker 3: the key in diagnose, his ability to playoff and understand

752
00:34:34,840 --> 00:34:38,320
Speaker 3: down distant situation and to make the appropriate play based

753
00:34:38,360 --> 00:34:40,120
Speaker 3: on the situation and circumstance.

754
00:34:40,640 --> 00:34:42,719
Speaker 2: To me, you put him in on a team with

755
00:34:42,800 --> 00:34:43,720
Speaker 2: a veteran.

756
00:34:43,400 --> 00:34:46,200
Speaker 3: Defense with a lot of like in a perfect world,

757
00:34:46,280 --> 00:34:48,160
Speaker 3: I would love to see him go to Minnesota and

758
00:34:48,160 --> 00:34:51,520
Speaker 3: play with Brian Flores where they ask and allow them

759
00:34:51,560 --> 00:34:53,879
Speaker 3: guys to play off and see stuff they're doing, all

760
00:34:53,920 --> 00:34:57,319
Speaker 3: these different exotic pre snap designs and then they do it.

761
00:34:57,680 --> 00:35:00,080
Speaker 3: To me, he's a hot IQ player that needs to

762
00:35:00,120 --> 00:35:02,319
Speaker 3: play in a high IQ defense to really max out

763
00:35:02,320 --> 00:35:02,919
Speaker 3: what he can bring.

764
00:35:03,800 --> 00:35:06,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, so that was kind of an old school one

765
00:35:06,480 --> 00:35:09,440
Speaker 1: there for you. I'll give you two more here. Let's go.

766
00:35:09,640 --> 00:35:13,760
Speaker 1: Matthew Golden on Brandon Cook's oh.

767
00:35:13,680 --> 00:35:16,640
Speaker 3: Man, another one of my favorites coming out and very

768
00:35:16,640 --> 00:35:19,200
Speaker 3: similar when Brandon Cooks was at Oregon State.

769
00:35:20,760 --> 00:35:22,400
Speaker 2: It was a tricky.

770
00:35:22,640 --> 00:35:25,080
Speaker 1: Evaluation low four three, Yeah.

771
00:35:24,960 --> 00:35:27,040
Speaker 3: Because you're trying to figure out can someone of that

772
00:35:27,120 --> 00:35:30,000
Speaker 3: statue be the anchor of a passing game? And that's

773
00:35:30,040 --> 00:35:32,560
Speaker 3: the question that many people are gonna have with Matthew Golden.

774
00:35:32,960 --> 00:35:35,480
Speaker 3: A is her wide receiver one or wide receiver two?

775
00:35:35,520 --> 00:35:38,239
Speaker 3: The speed is real, but any anchor a passing game,

776
00:35:38,560 --> 00:35:42,239
Speaker 3: Matthew Golden is super smooth, very fluid people that talk

777
00:35:42,280 --> 00:35:45,120
Speaker 3: about the time, and that led to maybe like him

778
00:35:45,200 --> 00:35:47,640
Speaker 3: kind of surging up the charts. But when you really

779
00:35:47,680 --> 00:35:50,400
Speaker 3: got to it, I think coaches tell you everything you

780
00:35:50,440 --> 00:35:53,520
Speaker 3: need to know. Sar keys in these guys when it

781
00:35:53,600 --> 00:35:55,520
Speaker 3: got down to it and when they started needing to

782
00:35:55,520 --> 00:35:58,560
Speaker 3: have in plays the back after the year, Matthew Golden

783
00:35:58,600 --> 00:36:01,000
Speaker 3: became the guy that was featured more in Isaiah Bond,

784
00:36:01,239 --> 00:36:03,759
Speaker 3: but the expectation was that Bond was gonna be that guy.

785
00:36:04,440 --> 00:36:04,600
Speaker 2: Yeah.

786
00:36:04,600 --> 00:36:07,280
Speaker 3: I could see similarities between Brandon Cooks and Matthew Golden

787
00:36:07,520 --> 00:36:11,879
Speaker 3: because stature, speed, explosives, but also potential role as a pro.

788
00:36:12,560 --> 00:36:14,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you mentioned that climb. I looked it up.

789
00:36:14,760 --> 00:36:18,640
Speaker 1: So when I did my first list in January, he

790
00:36:18,760 --> 00:36:22,279
Speaker 1: was my twenty fourth player. So he ended up right now,

791
00:36:22,320 --> 00:36:25,520
Speaker 1: he's at sixteen. He'll land somewhere between sixteen and eighteen.

792
00:36:25,600 --> 00:36:27,560
Speaker 1: So yeah, he moved up a little bit. I wouldn't

793
00:36:27,600 --> 00:36:29,799
Speaker 1: say that it was, you know, he didn't move up

794
00:36:29,800 --> 00:36:31,560
Speaker 1: a whole round or anything like that, but he did

795
00:36:31,640 --> 00:36:33,080
Speaker 1: get a little bit of a pop through how he

796
00:36:33,120 --> 00:36:35,000
Speaker 1: handled everything. And the more you learn about the kid

797
00:36:35,000 --> 00:36:37,759
Speaker 1: in terms of where he was training, what he was doing, interviews,

798
00:36:37,800 --> 00:36:41,239
Speaker 1: all that stuff have all been very very positive with him.

799
00:36:41,320 --> 00:36:43,240
Speaker 1: All right, let me give you want way to finish

800
00:36:43,280 --> 00:36:47,120
Speaker 1: up with one more here, last one buck Trayveon Henderson,

801
00:36:49,320 --> 00:36:50,520
Speaker 1: Jamal Charles.

802
00:36:50,960 --> 00:36:54,720
Speaker 2: Ooh, good pool. That's a really good pool. Jamal Charles

803
00:36:54,760 --> 00:36:56,920
Speaker 2: was so great man. He was so good at Texas.

804
00:36:56,920 --> 00:36:58,320
Speaker 2: But then when he got to the league in Kansas

805
00:36:58,360 --> 00:37:01,239
Speaker 2: City with Andy Reid and had they unlocked him in

806
00:37:01,280 --> 00:37:02,120
Speaker 2: the screen.

807
00:37:01,840 --> 00:37:04,120
Speaker 3: Game and catching passes and doing all the other stuff,

808
00:37:04,680 --> 00:37:07,799
Speaker 3: big playmaker and had the stamina and the ability to

809
00:37:07,840 --> 00:37:10,640
Speaker 3: anchor it down. Trevan Henderson has that there could be

810
00:37:10,680 --> 00:37:14,280
Speaker 3: some questions going in because last year they split the baby.

811
00:37:14,120 --> 00:37:14,839
Speaker 2: Shared the lode.

812
00:37:15,680 --> 00:37:17,719
Speaker 3: He I think he got a lot more that he

813
00:37:17,760 --> 00:37:20,319
Speaker 3: can do than what he displayed at Ohio State.

814
00:37:20,520 --> 00:37:24,839
Speaker 2: Not a bad call, man, Jamal Charles. Man. Wait, I'm

815
00:37:24,880 --> 00:37:25,440
Speaker 2: just trying.

816
00:37:25,200 --> 00:37:26,600
Speaker 1: To go random on it, because these are the ones

817
00:37:26,640 --> 00:37:28,400
Speaker 1: that I when I was doing these and looking up

818
00:37:28,400 --> 00:37:30,440
Speaker 1: different body types of different than what my notes were

819
00:37:30,440 --> 00:37:33,440
Speaker 1: on these guys coming out. Last one, last one Landon

820
00:37:33,560 --> 00:37:35,799
Speaker 1: Jackson from Arkansas, who I think we both really like.

821
00:37:35,880 --> 00:37:40,200
Speaker 1: I'm a Landam Jackson guy. Ziggy Ansa coming out of

822
00:37:40,239 --> 00:37:40,759
Speaker 1: by you.

823
00:37:41,160 --> 00:37:45,280
Speaker 3: I just was talking about like he was he tested

824
00:37:45,320 --> 00:37:49,839
Speaker 3: really well nowhere mugget and out of nowhere, Hey, pro

825
00:37:49,920 --> 00:37:52,640
Speaker 3: Bowl player in Detroit. Though, Yeah, like that's a that's

826
00:37:52,640 --> 00:37:56,520
Speaker 3: a good one. And landing is it. Like it's not

827
00:37:56,560 --> 00:37:58,880
Speaker 3: always going to be pretty. It's not going to be

828
00:37:59,040 --> 00:38:02,120
Speaker 3: aesthetically pleased to the eye. But man, his physicality is

829
00:38:02,160 --> 00:38:04,560
Speaker 3: tough and even the athleticism.

830
00:38:03,880 --> 00:38:06,120
Speaker 1: Explosive ran really well. Yeah, it shows up.

831
00:38:07,120 --> 00:38:11,279
Speaker 3: He's not for everybody, much like Ziggy wasn't for everybody

832
00:38:11,320 --> 00:38:12,600
Speaker 3: doing the evaluations because.

833
00:38:12,400 --> 00:38:13,880
Speaker 2: He went did I think he was five?

834
00:38:14,280 --> 00:38:17,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, he went he went high. I think that was

835
00:38:17,840 --> 00:38:18,520
Speaker 1: twenty thirteen.

836
00:38:18,600 --> 00:38:18,920
Speaker 2: Was that that?

837
00:38:18,920 --> 00:38:21,239
Speaker 1: That was a terrible draft if I'm not mistaken, but.

838
00:38:21,280 --> 00:38:22,360
Speaker 2: It might have been. I do remember.

839
00:38:23,000 --> 00:38:25,080
Speaker 1: I think he played eight games. I think he was

840
00:38:25,080 --> 00:38:27,640
Speaker 1: an eight game starter. And because van Oy, I think

841
00:38:27,760 --> 00:38:30,440
Speaker 1: van Oy was on that BYU team. Those two guys.

842
00:38:30,520 --> 00:38:32,840
Speaker 2: How about how about by you having some guys that

843
00:38:32,880 --> 00:38:34,160
Speaker 2: have come out there through the years.

844
00:38:34,400 --> 00:38:37,200
Speaker 1: I know, all right, thanks for playing along with me there,

845
00:38:37,239 --> 00:38:39,840
Speaker 1: but it is again, I like doing comps. I like

846
00:38:39,880 --> 00:38:41,759
Speaker 1: looking at guys. I like seeing other guys that they

847
00:38:41,880 --> 00:38:44,279
Speaker 1: reminded me of. And when these guys get picked a

848
00:38:44,320 --> 00:38:47,640
Speaker 1: good bit of them. I'll have I'll have a compound

849
00:38:47,680 --> 00:38:49,279
Speaker 1: there for you that you can chew on. People get

850
00:38:49,360 --> 00:38:51,359
Speaker 1: upset about it, but I do think there's value there.

851
00:38:51,680 --> 00:38:53,840
Speaker 2: Oh, that's always value. I mean, there's always value. And

852
00:38:53,880 --> 00:38:55,600
Speaker 2: being able to have some of this stuff.

853
00:38:56,000 --> 00:39:00,920
Speaker 1: Well buck, I mean, pods are in first place. I

854
00:39:00,960 --> 00:39:02,839
Speaker 1: got started to get excited. I didn't say anything because

855
00:39:02,840 --> 00:39:05,320
Speaker 1: I didn't want to jinx it. But apparently I jinked

856
00:39:05,320 --> 00:39:07,920
Speaker 1: it without jinxing it, because within twenty four hours, Jackson

857
00:39:07,960 --> 00:39:11,280
Speaker 1: Merrill's on the ten dail. Tatis is a bad shoulder,

858
00:39:11,320 --> 00:39:13,680
Speaker 1: he's out. Crona Wort's got a back issue, he's out.

859
00:39:14,200 --> 00:39:16,840
Speaker 2: You do this, it's a great you this great as

860
00:39:17,239 --> 00:39:20,600
Speaker 2: you do this every year. You get so excited.

861
00:39:21,360 --> 00:39:23,200
Speaker 1: This year, I didn't. I didn't verbalize it.

862
00:39:23,239 --> 00:39:26,239
Speaker 2: This year. You had the seatboot on, like you just

863
00:39:28,000 --> 00:39:31,200
Speaker 2: try not to get and then boom it comes out

864
00:39:31,239 --> 00:39:37,120
Speaker 2: and like you jinx it, Like come on, man, just Tatis's.

865
00:39:36,560 --> 00:39:40,799
Speaker 1: Shoulders messed up. We're screwed. But anyways, that h I'll

866
00:39:40,840 --> 00:39:42,799
Speaker 1: enjoy it. Enjoyed the first twelve games. That was fun.

867
00:39:43,600 --> 00:39:44,400
Speaker 2: All right, anything want to.

868
00:39:44,480 --> 00:39:45,399
Speaker 1: Before we get out of here, box.

869
00:39:46,160 --> 00:39:48,040
Speaker 2: I mean it is a nice star for the Pridets.

870
00:39:50,160 --> 00:39:53,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, see what happens. Hopefully they get healthy. I

871
00:39:53,160 --> 00:39:55,280
Speaker 1: hope you guys have enjoyed this one. We are getting close.

872
00:39:55,800 --> 00:39:58,120
Speaker 1: We will have all your needs covered here and there's

873
00:39:58,160 --> 00:40:00,799
Speaker 1: a we've got another pod coming up later this week.

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Speaker 1: Got a forty in free agents pod with Rosenthal that'll

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Speaker 1: be up. That gets dropped in there as well, so

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Speaker 1: if you have to look out for that stuff. And

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Speaker 1: we'll see you next time right here on movie sticks.