1 00:00:04,480 --> 00:00:07,840 Speaker 1: Live from Indianapolis. This is continuing cover each of the 2 00:00:09,119 --> 00:00:15,040 Speaker 1: NFL Combine on Steelers Nation Radio. And we're back. We 3 00:00:15,120 --> 00:00:17,760 Speaker 1: want a great session there with Kevin Colbert, the Steelers 4 00:00:17,760 --> 00:00:20,600 Speaker 1: general manager. And we've got another special guest here. We're 5 00:00:20,640 --> 00:00:23,800 Speaker 1: joined by fran Duffy of the Philadelphia Eagles. And what's 6 00:00:23,840 --> 00:00:27,080 Speaker 1: the journey to the draft? Journey to the draft the 7 00:00:27,080 --> 00:00:30,280 Speaker 1: Eagles this year. I'm Dale Lali, He's Matt Williamson, that's 8 00:00:30,280 --> 00:00:33,040 Speaker 1: Westley Uler. We'll get the full coverage here of the 9 00:00:33,159 --> 00:00:37,040 Speaker 1: NFL scouting Combine. The Eagles this year might be the 10 00:00:37,040 --> 00:00:41,920 Speaker 1: most intriguing team in this draft. Three picks and they're 11 00:00:41,960 --> 00:00:47,000 Speaker 1: all between fifteen and fifteen and nineteen this course of 12 00:00:47,040 --> 00:00:49,519 Speaker 1: Steelers pick at twenty. So Steelers fans are gonna be 13 00:00:49,520 --> 00:00:52,599 Speaker 1: watching what the Eagles do across the state very closely 14 00:00:52,680 --> 00:00:55,120 Speaker 1: in this draft. Yeah, no doubt. It's it's exciting, right 15 00:00:55,160 --> 00:00:57,160 Speaker 1: and obviously, uh, you'd like for those picks to be 16 00:00:57,200 --> 00:00:59,320 Speaker 1: a little bit higher if you're if you're an Eagles fans, 17 00:00:59,320 --> 00:01:01,200 Speaker 1: you don't you don't like picking it, uh, you know, 18 00:01:01,240 --> 00:01:03,360 Speaker 1: in the middle of the first round. But I think overall, 19 00:01:03,400 --> 00:01:05,800 Speaker 1: when you look at what the Eagles did first year 20 00:01:05,880 --> 00:01:08,520 Speaker 1: under Nick Sirianni. That's gonna be exciting. And then having 21 00:01:08,560 --> 00:01:11,440 Speaker 1: three picks, it's obviously great capital and go with into 22 00:01:11,480 --> 00:01:14,479 Speaker 1: this offseason. I tend to think it won't be the case. 23 00:01:14,560 --> 00:01:17,880 Speaker 1: But any chance that those picks turned into Deshaun Watson 24 00:01:17,959 --> 00:01:20,080 Speaker 1: or Russell Wilson or you know something like that, that's 25 00:01:20,319 --> 00:01:22,840 Speaker 1: that's things like everybody's talking about that obviously, and it's 26 00:01:22,840 --> 00:01:24,640 Speaker 1: going to continue to be talked about until all those 27 00:01:24,640 --> 00:01:27,039 Speaker 1: guys are moved. But who knows. That's one of those 28 00:01:27,080 --> 00:01:29,720 Speaker 1: things like I'm just like everybody else. I'm just sitting 29 00:01:29,720 --> 00:01:31,360 Speaker 1: and waiting and we'll then we'll see what happens the same. 30 00:01:34,880 --> 00:01:38,520 Speaker 1: No idea some pass I would go down. But the 31 00:01:38,520 --> 00:01:42,400 Speaker 1: Eagles seem like they're content to give Jalen Hurts another 32 00:01:42,600 --> 00:01:46,800 Speaker 1: another year at this unless something remarkable happens here. What 33 00:01:46,800 --> 00:01:48,680 Speaker 1: what did you see from Jalen Hurts in year two? 34 00:01:48,960 --> 00:01:51,240 Speaker 1: I thought you saw him make improvement as a passer. 35 00:01:51,320 --> 00:01:53,240 Speaker 1: And that's the big thing I think people think about him. 36 00:01:53,280 --> 00:01:55,720 Speaker 1: It's like, oh, he's he's not super accurate. He's he's 37 00:01:55,720 --> 00:01:58,160 Speaker 1: pretty been pretty accurate. His bob placement has been pretty good. 38 00:01:58,160 --> 00:02:00,440 Speaker 1: Throughout the course of this season, even going back to 39 00:02:00,520 --> 00:02:02,400 Speaker 1: last year as a rookie. Uh, the big thing you 40 00:02:02,440 --> 00:02:04,800 Speaker 1: saw was just commanding an offense. And this was what 41 00:02:04,920 --> 00:02:08,400 Speaker 1: now his sixth straight season in the new offensive system. 42 00:02:08,880 --> 00:02:12,800 Speaker 1: When you go back three new offensive quorinat coordinators at Alabama, 43 00:02:12,919 --> 00:02:15,239 Speaker 1: then he goes to Oklahoma, two different offenses so far 44 00:02:15,720 --> 00:02:18,160 Speaker 1: in the NFL. So uh, he's got to be excited 45 00:02:18,200 --> 00:02:21,560 Speaker 1: to have some continuity going. But I think when you 46 00:02:21,560 --> 00:02:24,399 Speaker 1: look at Jalen certainly look the running ability has been big. Um. 47 00:02:24,440 --> 00:02:26,600 Speaker 1: That was huge for him this year. He got banged 48 00:02:26,680 --> 00:02:29,040 Speaker 1: up in the pocket about midway through the season and 49 00:02:29,080 --> 00:02:31,119 Speaker 1: that hampered him a little bit in the second half. 50 00:02:31,160 --> 00:02:32,480 Speaker 1: But I think when you look at some of the 51 00:02:32,520 --> 00:02:35,280 Speaker 1: strides that he made, it was impressive and obviously leaned 52 00:02:35,280 --> 00:02:37,079 Speaker 1: to him into his strengths. They were one of the 53 00:02:37,080 --> 00:02:38,920 Speaker 1: best running teams, if not the best running team in 54 00:02:38,919 --> 00:02:42,520 Speaker 1: football throughout the majority of the season. So again, Steelers 55 00:02:42,520 --> 00:02:45,040 Speaker 1: in the quarterback market and it's draft season, we're at 56 00:02:45,040 --> 00:02:48,079 Speaker 1: the combine. I really want to get your opinions broad 57 00:02:48,160 --> 00:02:51,239 Speaker 1: scope or even for the Steelers specifically on these top guys, 58 00:02:51,320 --> 00:02:53,760 Speaker 1: and you're deeper in the weeds and you're in this 59 00:02:53,840 --> 00:02:56,080 Speaker 1: process than I am. But right now, Willis is the 60 00:02:56,120 --> 00:02:57,919 Speaker 1: one that I would if I had my choice for 61 00:02:57,960 --> 00:02:59,880 Speaker 1: the Steelers at twenty. You have anyone to be there 62 00:03:00,040 --> 00:03:02,400 Speaker 1: be Willis. What's your thoughts Willis? I think if you're 63 00:03:02,440 --> 00:03:06,160 Speaker 1: just looking purely at traits like Malik Willis, without question, 64 00:03:06,200 --> 00:03:08,040 Speaker 1: you're running. He's running away with it right. I mean, 65 00:03:08,320 --> 00:03:11,200 Speaker 1: his arm is outstanding, his athleticism and you would put 66 00:03:11,200 --> 00:03:13,799 Speaker 1: it up there with like a Kyler Murray Lamar Jackson's 67 00:03:13,960 --> 00:03:18,079 Speaker 1: kind of twitch and explosiveness in everything. I mean, he 68 00:03:18,400 --> 00:03:21,000 Speaker 1: he's got that dynamic like whoa quality in terms of 69 00:03:21,040 --> 00:03:22,639 Speaker 1: the way he moves. We'll see what he does here 70 00:03:22,680 --> 00:03:25,040 Speaker 1: this week. From a workout standpoint, We've seen a lot 71 00:03:25,080 --> 00:03:27,440 Speaker 1: of the top quarterbacks lately haven't really worked out, haven't 72 00:03:27,440 --> 00:03:29,680 Speaker 1: done the athletic testing, so um, you know, we'll we'll 73 00:03:29,680 --> 00:03:32,440 Speaker 1: see him throw. But even going down to the Senior Bowl. Uh, 74 00:03:32,520 --> 00:03:37,040 Speaker 1: there was that one day the Wednesday practice was and 75 00:03:37,160 --> 00:03:39,280 Speaker 1: there was that seven on seven drill with it and 76 00:03:39,800 --> 00:03:41,240 Speaker 1: you could you couldn't tell you we thought it was 77 00:03:41,320 --> 00:03:43,360 Speaker 1: seventy five and Sonny the way that it was cutting 78 00:03:43,360 --> 00:03:45,480 Speaker 1: through the wind, you know, and I think that speaks 79 00:03:45,520 --> 00:03:47,920 Speaker 1: to his overall armed talent. Look, there are things that 80 00:03:47,960 --> 00:03:50,160 Speaker 1: he's got to get better at um and we've seen 81 00:03:50,200 --> 00:03:52,680 Speaker 1: that with a lot of quarterbacks coming into the NFL 82 00:03:52,800 --> 00:03:54,680 Speaker 1: that have made those jumps. You would say, uh, you know, 83 00:03:54,760 --> 00:03:57,480 Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson, Josh Allen, Like, we've seen these young guys 84 00:03:57,600 --> 00:03:59,800 Speaker 1: continue to come into the league, whether they had limited 85 00:03:59,800 --> 00:04:01,920 Speaker 1: rep in college or just needed to get better, and 86 00:04:01,960 --> 00:04:04,600 Speaker 1: they made those jumps and and that ceiling was met 87 00:04:04,640 --> 00:04:07,640 Speaker 1: with a lot of these guys most often, actually they 88 00:04:07,640 --> 00:04:09,280 Speaker 1: don't look at all the same. But I mean, I 89 00:04:09,280 --> 00:04:11,080 Speaker 1: think he's similar to Alan coming out of my only. 90 00:04:11,240 --> 00:04:14,200 Speaker 1: And the great thing about the guys who have that 91 00:04:14,440 --> 00:04:17,520 Speaker 1: running ability as well as you've seen with Jalen Hurts, 92 00:04:17,520 --> 00:04:20,160 Speaker 1: is that they do have something that they can lean 93 00:04:20,240 --> 00:04:22,800 Speaker 1: on while they learn how to process the speed of 94 00:04:22,800 --> 00:04:25,160 Speaker 1: the game as a passer. The big thing is like 95 00:04:25,560 --> 00:04:28,240 Speaker 1: having answers for when you're wrong, and as a as 96 00:04:28,240 --> 00:04:30,600 Speaker 1: a quarterback, early on, you're not You're not gonna be 97 00:04:30,720 --> 00:04:32,919 Speaker 1: right all the time. It's very very difficult. The defenses 98 00:04:32,920 --> 00:04:35,200 Speaker 1: are too good, coaches are too good. So uh, either 99 00:04:35,240 --> 00:04:37,960 Speaker 1: you're gonna beat defenses with your arm, or you're gonna 100 00:04:37,960 --> 00:04:40,240 Speaker 1: beat them with your legs, and uh, if you're gonna 101 00:04:40,279 --> 00:04:41,480 Speaker 1: beat them with your arm, that means you need to 102 00:04:41,520 --> 00:04:43,720 Speaker 1: beat them with your mind. Young quarterbacks are gonna beat 103 00:04:43,720 --> 00:04:45,400 Speaker 1: them with your mind all that often. So to have 104 00:04:45,440 --> 00:04:47,839 Speaker 1: that ability to say, hey, I'm gonna take off and 105 00:04:47,880 --> 00:04:49,960 Speaker 1: be able to make plays, that's a good rabbit and 106 00:04:49,960 --> 00:04:51,440 Speaker 1: the hat to be able to have for those guys. 107 00:04:51,480 --> 00:04:55,039 Speaker 1: Who do you prefer between how and Ritter? You know, 108 00:04:55,080 --> 00:04:58,440 Speaker 1: it's interesting. I think when you look at how it's 109 00:04:58,560 --> 00:05:01,160 Speaker 1: very difficult because he lost so much coming from this year. 110 00:05:01,200 --> 00:05:02,960 Speaker 1: You know, he lost his top two receivers, his top 111 00:05:03,000 --> 00:05:05,560 Speaker 1: two backs, some players a loan, the offensive line, um, 112 00:05:05,600 --> 00:05:07,760 Speaker 1: so the lack of continuity there. Uh and even they 113 00:05:07,800 --> 00:05:11,400 Speaker 1: had some injuries on offense this year, so he had 114 00:05:11,400 --> 00:05:13,360 Speaker 1: to run a lot more. So it's a little bit 115 00:05:13,360 --> 00:05:15,360 Speaker 1: more difficult. I think that when you look at the 116 00:05:15,400 --> 00:05:16,960 Speaker 1: pure tools, I probably give a little bit of the 117 00:05:17,040 --> 00:05:20,279 Speaker 1: edge to Ritter. I think he's both guys are pretty athletic. 118 00:05:20,320 --> 00:05:23,039 Speaker 1: Both guys have pretty good arms, but Ritterer can cut 119 00:05:23,040 --> 00:05:25,280 Speaker 1: it loose. What stands out to me about both guys 120 00:05:25,360 --> 00:05:28,200 Speaker 1: is both guys are really tough. Howell's toughness really really 121 00:05:28,240 --> 00:05:30,520 Speaker 1: stood out to me watching him last year especially, and 122 00:05:30,560 --> 00:05:32,479 Speaker 1: I know that showed up this year as well. Um, 123 00:05:32,480 --> 00:05:34,839 Speaker 1: but when you look at how his toughness really stands out, 124 00:05:34,880 --> 00:05:37,000 Speaker 1: his touch, his deep ball, I think when you look 125 00:05:37,000 --> 00:05:38,640 Speaker 1: at Ritter, the big question you have is just the 126 00:05:38,680 --> 00:05:40,800 Speaker 1: inconsistent accuracy in ball places when there were just some 127 00:05:40,839 --> 00:05:43,480 Speaker 1: missrs here, like man, I wish you'd hit this guy. Uh, 128 00:05:43,520 --> 00:05:44,760 Speaker 1: and not even just like oh, that would have been 129 00:05:44,760 --> 00:05:48,039 Speaker 1: a tough throw bubble screens, quick slance where he just 130 00:05:48,080 --> 00:05:50,800 Speaker 1: misses on the two or three game. Yeah, people said 131 00:05:50,800 --> 00:05:52,640 Speaker 1: that about Josh Allen too, right, So I'd say it's 132 00:05:52,680 --> 00:05:55,400 Speaker 1: a matter of, uh, you know, can he correct those mistakes? 133 00:05:55,400 --> 00:05:57,640 Speaker 1: What is causing those mistakes to happen, and can they 134 00:05:57,680 --> 00:06:00,280 Speaker 1: be corrected? Is he the guy with the most to 135 00:06:00,480 --> 00:06:03,520 Speaker 1: gain this week in the quarterback group? See, it's tough 136 00:06:03,520 --> 00:06:05,680 Speaker 1: because I feel like when you're talking about the quarterbacks, 137 00:06:06,279 --> 00:06:07,440 Speaker 1: you know you want to be able to see them 138 00:06:07,440 --> 00:06:09,839 Speaker 1: all throw. What's unique about this one is that usually 139 00:06:09,880 --> 00:06:11,320 Speaker 1: we're coming in this all. This is the first time 140 00:06:11,360 --> 00:06:12,880 Speaker 1: we've get a chance to see all the top quarterbacks 141 00:06:12,880 --> 00:06:14,560 Speaker 1: do it. Well. We just saw it three weeks ago. 142 00:06:14,720 --> 00:06:16,760 Speaker 1: We're not gonna have Mcarral work out this week because 143 00:06:16,880 --> 00:06:18,880 Speaker 1: he's still coming off that injury. Um, but we just 144 00:06:18,920 --> 00:06:21,120 Speaker 1: saw Malik Willis and Desmond Ritter and Sam how and 145 00:06:21,160 --> 00:06:23,120 Speaker 1: all these guys just do it uh down in Mobile. 146 00:06:23,200 --> 00:06:26,240 Speaker 1: So this is really the second step in that. I 147 00:06:26,279 --> 00:06:28,040 Speaker 1: don't know if I would say that Ritter or Howell 148 00:06:28,080 --> 00:06:29,880 Speaker 1: has the moment. I think really it comes down to Maliki. 149 00:06:29,920 --> 00:06:32,880 Speaker 1: If Malik Willis, who had all that buzz building after Mobile, 150 00:06:33,120 --> 00:06:35,000 Speaker 1: then goes and does what he what we expect him 151 00:06:35,040 --> 00:06:37,000 Speaker 1: to do in the athletic workout, I think that that 152 00:06:37,000 --> 00:06:39,120 Speaker 1: would just further kind of create that buzz for him. 153 00:06:39,160 --> 00:06:42,320 Speaker 1: See that's kind of my prediction with Willis is He's 154 00:06:42,360 --> 00:06:45,560 Speaker 1: gotten a lot of buzz, and the media buzz versus 155 00:06:45,560 --> 00:06:47,480 Speaker 1: team buzz is a different thing, you know. I mean, 156 00:06:47,839 --> 00:06:49,960 Speaker 1: these guys know what he was before that. But it 157 00:06:50,000 --> 00:06:52,159 Speaker 1: wouldn't shock me after this week if we start seeing 158 00:06:52,240 --> 00:06:56,640 Speaker 1: him DJ's mock draft number six to the Carolina Panthers, 159 00:06:56,720 --> 00:06:59,760 Speaker 1: or just looks so much different than the other quarterbacks 160 00:06:59,800 --> 00:07:03,560 Speaker 1: he or that even the common onlooker would look at 161 00:07:03,600 --> 00:07:05,600 Speaker 1: him and say, I don't work with that more than 162 00:07:05,600 --> 00:07:07,400 Speaker 1: the other guys. I mean, but but think about how 163 00:07:07,400 --> 00:07:09,920 Speaker 1: far we've come in looking at quarterbacks with his skill 164 00:07:09,960 --> 00:07:12,280 Speaker 1: set to say, like whether it's his height. You know 165 00:07:12,320 --> 00:07:14,000 Speaker 1: it was Kyla Murray. Just if you if you're a 166 00:07:14,040 --> 00:07:15,840 Speaker 1: couple of years ago, he's too small, he can't go 167 00:07:15,880 --> 00:07:17,560 Speaker 1: that high. He's not gonna be good in the NFL. 168 00:07:17,680 --> 00:07:19,760 Speaker 1: That caused Russell Wilson the fall to the third round. Right, 169 00:07:20,120 --> 00:07:22,160 Speaker 1: Kyler Murray goes number one. We've seen Baker Mayfield go 170 00:07:22,280 --> 00:07:24,160 Speaker 1: number one. And then you see guys with his his 171 00:07:24,200 --> 00:07:26,560 Speaker 1: athletic tools and even though he's inconsistent from the pocket, 172 00:07:26,840 --> 00:07:29,280 Speaker 1: we've seen guys come into the league and have that success. 173 00:07:29,280 --> 00:07:31,200 Speaker 1: As we've talked about so um, I think when you 174 00:07:31,200 --> 00:07:34,640 Speaker 1: look at Liberty, yeah, exactly. To me, like the big 175 00:07:34,640 --> 00:07:36,840 Speaker 1: thing is in the past, Like we've seen like Lamar 176 00:07:36,960 --> 00:07:39,320 Speaker 1: Jackson didn't do the athletic workout. We've seen some of 177 00:07:39,320 --> 00:07:40,840 Speaker 1: these guys that say like like I don't want, I 178 00:07:40,880 --> 00:07:42,520 Speaker 1: don't I don't even want to go down that path. 179 00:07:43,040 --> 00:07:45,320 Speaker 1: We'll see if link Willis does or doesn't. But if 180 00:07:45,320 --> 00:07:48,520 Speaker 1: he know he's fast the way either way. But if 181 00:07:48,560 --> 00:07:50,960 Speaker 1: we're talking about like buzz and building momentum, if he 182 00:07:51,000 --> 00:07:52,800 Speaker 1: goes and he runs in the low four fives, high 183 00:07:52,840 --> 00:07:55,800 Speaker 1: four fours. Now, everybody, you know, that's just another feather 184 00:07:55,880 --> 00:07:58,640 Speaker 1: in the cap there from Links. It's funny that you 185 00:07:58,720 --> 00:08:00,840 Speaker 1: mentioned we see these guys do this now. I mean 186 00:08:00,880 --> 00:08:03,440 Speaker 1: I covered Cordell Stewart when he played. You guys had 187 00:08:03,520 --> 00:08:05,600 Speaker 1: Randall cunning him. You know, these guys who were kind 188 00:08:05,600 --> 00:08:08,760 Speaker 1: of the trend setters for what is now the norm 189 00:08:08,840 --> 00:08:10,840 Speaker 1: for quarterbacks. It's almost like you have to have that 190 00:08:10,920 --> 00:08:13,720 Speaker 1: baseline ability to run a little bit to play the 191 00:08:13,760 --> 00:08:16,400 Speaker 1: position now in the NFL. Yeah, I think that again, 192 00:08:16,400 --> 00:08:18,120 Speaker 1: it just kind of going back to having answers for 193 00:08:18,160 --> 00:08:20,720 Speaker 1: when the defense is right. Uh. And it's a lot 194 00:08:20,760 --> 00:08:23,720 Speaker 1: easier for young quarterbacks to run away from those issues 195 00:08:23,760 --> 00:08:26,200 Speaker 1: than it is to to beat it with your mind. Um, 196 00:08:26,320 --> 00:08:28,360 Speaker 1: you know, early on and until you get those reps 197 00:08:28,480 --> 00:08:30,240 Speaker 1: and we see a guy, guys get better and better, 198 00:08:30,280 --> 00:08:32,120 Speaker 1: you get you get enough of those hits on you, 199 00:08:32,160 --> 00:08:34,319 Speaker 1: you're saying, I'm not gonna make that mistake again. Uh. 200 00:08:34,600 --> 00:08:36,400 Speaker 1: You know, you see those guys start to develop a 201 00:08:36,400 --> 00:08:37,680 Speaker 1: little bit more in the mental side, But you have 202 00:08:37,679 --> 00:08:39,480 Speaker 1: to be able to survive those hits as well. I mean, 203 00:08:39,640 --> 00:08:42,720 Speaker 1: you know, Robert Griffin is an example that like you 204 00:08:42,760 --> 00:08:44,600 Speaker 1: have to have a certain build as well. Are you 205 00:08:44,600 --> 00:08:47,360 Speaker 1: worried about that with Corral at all? The thing with 206 00:08:47,440 --> 00:08:49,640 Speaker 1: Corral that stands out is he he was banged up 207 00:08:49,679 --> 00:08:51,319 Speaker 1: for a large chunk of the season and he was 208 00:08:51,400 --> 00:08:52,719 Speaker 1: used a lot as a runner. I don't know that 209 00:08:52,760 --> 00:08:55,080 Speaker 1: he's gonna be like used that much as a runner 210 00:08:55,440 --> 00:08:58,760 Speaker 1: moving on to the NFL. His toughness really stands out. 211 00:08:58,800 --> 00:09:00,880 Speaker 1: And this is even like watching them on TV. Um 212 00:09:00,920 --> 00:09:02,079 Speaker 1: And this is one of the things you can get 213 00:09:02,120 --> 00:09:04,200 Speaker 1: from watching these guys on TV. It's like you can 214 00:09:04,280 --> 00:09:06,640 Speaker 1: just see like the close up shots like him kind 215 00:09:06,679 --> 00:09:09,680 Speaker 1: of great, the guys in pain, him kind of gutting 216 00:09:09,679 --> 00:09:12,080 Speaker 1: through it, how his teammates kind of reacted to him 217 00:09:12,120 --> 00:09:14,920 Speaker 1: in those moments. Um. And even like talking to people 218 00:09:14,920 --> 00:09:17,319 Speaker 1: that have been around him and people the Scots that 219 00:09:17,360 --> 00:09:20,040 Speaker 1: have gone in there, everybody kind of raves about that 220 00:09:20,160 --> 00:09:22,600 Speaker 1: part of it, his ability to connect with his teammates 221 00:09:22,600 --> 00:09:26,280 Speaker 1: and get guys to rally around him. If they don't 222 00:09:26,320 --> 00:09:28,559 Speaker 1: go quarterback, there's a good chance it's offensive tackle. The 223 00:09:28,880 --> 00:09:31,760 Speaker 1: line needs a lot of work. Um. I don't thinks 224 00:09:31,760 --> 00:09:34,320 Speaker 1: are any shot at the top three tackles. Who's your 225 00:09:34,400 --> 00:09:38,199 Speaker 1: favorite after that, is it Raymond, is it Penning or 226 00:09:38,280 --> 00:09:40,440 Speaker 1: someone else? You guys have had plenty of success with 227 00:09:40,480 --> 00:09:44,439 Speaker 1: the Central Michigan pipeline, right, so you and I have 228 00:09:44,480 --> 00:09:46,679 Speaker 1: talked about it in the past. You know, I think 229 00:09:46,679 --> 00:09:49,400 Speaker 1: that when you look at Edward Raymond, really interesting that 230 00:09:49,520 --> 00:09:51,800 Speaker 1: the Senior Bowl wasn't super kind to him. Um, But 231 00:09:51,840 --> 00:09:53,320 Speaker 1: I think when you look at his skill set, the 232 00:09:53,320 --> 00:09:55,240 Speaker 1: fact that he's only been playing offensive line for a 233 00:09:55,320 --> 00:09:57,840 Speaker 1: year and a half, it was a short season. Um. 234 00:09:58,200 --> 00:09:59,640 Speaker 1: I don't know how much you've seen in the background, 235 00:09:59,640 --> 00:10:02,640 Speaker 1: but he had made that move during the during win 236 00:10:02,720 --> 00:10:05,360 Speaker 1: covid first hit in the spring and he had to 237 00:10:05,360 --> 00:10:06,920 Speaker 1: do it all basically on his own because it was 238 00:10:06,960 --> 00:10:08,600 Speaker 1: before spring ball and he had to put on the 239 00:10:08,600 --> 00:10:10,000 Speaker 1: weight on his own. He had that he was working 240 00:10:10,000 --> 00:10:12,840 Speaker 1: on his by himself at home. So it's just really 241 00:10:12,880 --> 00:10:15,520 Speaker 1: impressive from that standpoint. But Bernard Raymond, I would throw 242 00:10:15,559 --> 00:10:17,679 Speaker 1: Trevor Penning in there, uh as well. And Penning is 243 00:10:17,760 --> 00:10:20,079 Speaker 1: kind of that uh. You know, when when you think 244 00:10:20,080 --> 00:10:22,960 Speaker 1: of Pittsburgh Steeler's identity, like he kind of has that 245 00:10:23,640 --> 00:10:25,640 Speaker 1: you want to see is standing in the at the 246 00:10:25,760 --> 00:10:29,040 Speaker 1: end of the alleyway down question. He's dark word. He's 247 00:10:29,040 --> 00:10:32,720 Speaker 1: gonna end up in Baltimore. But I think when you 248 00:10:32,720 --> 00:10:34,760 Speaker 1: look at the the f C North that it definitely 249 00:10:34,760 --> 00:10:37,200 Speaker 1: has that, you know that feeling those vibes, for sure, 250 00:10:37,240 --> 00:10:38,880 Speaker 1: he fits that you would have any problem with twenty 251 00:10:38,960 --> 00:10:40,640 Speaker 1: taking either one of those guys. No, I think you 252 00:10:40,640 --> 00:10:43,559 Speaker 1: could make the argument and look with offensive tackles. I 253 00:10:43,559 --> 00:10:45,360 Speaker 1: think when you look at the best ones in the league, 254 00:10:46,120 --> 00:10:48,240 Speaker 1: it's if you want a good one, you bet you 255 00:10:48,280 --> 00:10:49,439 Speaker 1: gotta pay. You gotta pay it with them for the 256 00:10:49,480 --> 00:10:52,120 Speaker 1: big tackles. Absolutely, As I mentioned when we when we 257 00:10:52,160 --> 00:10:55,640 Speaker 1: started here, we're talking to Fran Duffy, host of a 258 00:10:55,640 --> 00:10:57,480 Speaker 1: couple of different podcasts Ego I and This Guy and 259 00:10:57,559 --> 00:11:01,520 Speaker 1: Journey to the Draft. Um, Eagles have the three picks 260 00:11:01,520 --> 00:11:03,960 Speaker 1: ahead of the Steelers. What are they targeting? In your 261 00:11:04,000 --> 00:11:06,520 Speaker 1: in your opinion that uh, the Steelers are then not 262 00:11:06,559 --> 00:11:08,880 Speaker 1: going to be able to get well. I think when 263 00:11:08,880 --> 00:11:10,800 Speaker 1: you look at uh, the way that the Eagles can 264 00:11:10,840 --> 00:11:14,720 Speaker 1: approach this draft, uh, I think that the supply is 265 00:11:14,760 --> 00:11:16,520 Speaker 1: meeting up well with what a lot of people perceive 266 00:11:16,600 --> 00:11:18,320 Speaker 1: their needs to be. You know, when you look at 267 00:11:18,360 --> 00:11:21,280 Speaker 1: defensive line, you look at wide receiver, you look at 268 00:11:21,320 --> 00:11:23,760 Speaker 1: corner I think that there will be plenty of guys 269 00:11:23,760 --> 00:11:25,800 Speaker 1: that are available that people say that like that. That 270 00:11:25,800 --> 00:11:28,160 Speaker 1: makes a lot of people are mocking linebackers, uh to 271 00:11:28,280 --> 00:11:33,640 Speaker 1: the Eagles. So not the first round you go going 272 00:11:33,640 --> 00:11:35,440 Speaker 1: to any mock draft, going to the comments. Actually I'll 273 00:11:35,440 --> 00:11:38,240 Speaker 1: see the reminders there, but I think the there will 274 00:11:38,280 --> 00:11:40,200 Speaker 1: be plenty of supply there. But those are the positions 275 00:11:40,280 --> 00:11:42,760 Speaker 1: that I think are being mocked most often to the 276 00:11:42,800 --> 00:11:46,240 Speaker 1: Eagles or d line uh, wide receiver corner uh and 277 00:11:46,280 --> 00:11:47,839 Speaker 1: e thro a linebacker in there as well. Guy that 278 00:11:47,880 --> 00:11:50,480 Speaker 1: we were talking about earlier, Tyler Linderbaum Um, I think 279 00:11:50,480 --> 00:11:52,040 Speaker 1: you and I discussed this a couple of years ago. 280 00:11:52,040 --> 00:11:54,040 Speaker 1: I used to work for w I P in Philly. 281 00:11:54,360 --> 00:11:56,880 Speaker 1: Everyone knows but Jason Kelsey what he's meant to that 282 00:11:57,040 --> 00:11:59,880 Speaker 1: organization and that team is there is there's some out 283 00:12:00,040 --> 00:12:02,320 Speaker 1: eyes in Philly that Hey, this guy linder Bump maybe 284 00:12:02,320 --> 00:12:04,360 Speaker 1: could be the next Kelsey nice kind of you know, 285 00:12:04,679 --> 00:12:07,079 Speaker 1: planned their secession plan. Yeah, he I mean he's definitely 286 00:12:07,160 --> 00:12:09,240 Speaker 1: got that's I would say, like and I on the 287 00:12:09,240 --> 00:12:11,960 Speaker 1: podcast every single week, Uh, We'll look around and look 288 00:12:12,000 --> 00:12:14,800 Speaker 1: at all these different mock drafts. Without question, the most 289 00:12:14,880 --> 00:12:17,240 Speaker 1: mocked player to the Eagles because you know, for if 290 00:12:17,240 --> 00:12:20,280 Speaker 1: you're if you're a reporter anywhere, you're an analyst anywhere, like, yeah, 291 00:12:20,320 --> 00:12:24,680 Speaker 1: this makes perfect sense. Let's pencil and Tyler lender Bomb. Um. 292 00:12:24,720 --> 00:12:27,640 Speaker 1: It's interesting because on one hand, the Eagles always value 293 00:12:27,640 --> 00:12:30,360 Speaker 1: offensive line. They're always adding pieces. They drafted Land Addiction 294 00:12:30,440 --> 00:12:32,000 Speaker 1: in the second round a year ago, they took Andre 295 00:12:32,040 --> 00:12:33,839 Speaker 1: Dillard in the first round the year before that. Uh, 296 00:12:33,840 --> 00:12:36,079 Speaker 1: they're always throwing darts at that position. Even late in 297 00:12:36,120 --> 00:12:38,000 Speaker 1: the into the draft, they found, uh, Jordan my a 298 00:12:38,000 --> 00:12:40,840 Speaker 1: lot of their starting left tackle the seventh round pick. Right. So, uh, 299 00:12:40,880 --> 00:12:45,160 Speaker 1: they have always valued offensive line. I do think when 300 00:12:45,160 --> 00:12:48,320 Speaker 1: you look at the way that they've addressed that position lately, 301 00:12:48,840 --> 00:12:50,880 Speaker 1: do they want to add in another first round pick 302 00:12:50,920 --> 00:12:53,480 Speaker 1: into that DISCUSSI discussion. We don't know if Kelsey Is 303 00:12:53,480 --> 00:12:55,360 Speaker 1: is gonna retire or not this year. I think that 304 00:12:55,840 --> 00:12:57,680 Speaker 1: a lot of people are saying, oh, he's he's definitely 305 00:12:57,720 --> 00:13:00,160 Speaker 1: gonna be out. He can step in right away. You 306 00:13:00,160 --> 00:13:02,600 Speaker 1: don't necessarily know that, right, So, UM, it'll be interesting 307 00:13:02,640 --> 00:13:04,840 Speaker 1: to see. I would not rule it out. Um, but 308 00:13:04,960 --> 00:13:06,600 Speaker 1: I think when you look at linder Bomb, He's he 309 00:13:06,679 --> 00:13:09,679 Speaker 1: definitely has the uh the unique traits that I think 310 00:13:09,679 --> 00:13:11,360 Speaker 1: would fit well in Philadelphia. He could do a lot 311 00:13:11,400 --> 00:13:13,520 Speaker 1: of those things out in space, and certainly in the 312 00:13:13,559 --> 00:13:15,880 Speaker 1: run game he can do a lot of damage. Davante 313 00:13:15,880 --> 00:13:20,319 Speaker 1: Smith looks like a hit um Artega Whiteside doesn't regular struggle, 314 00:13:20,360 --> 00:13:22,520 Speaker 1: and you know they've they've invested some high picks a receiver. 315 00:13:23,000 --> 00:13:25,120 Speaker 1: I'd go back to the well though. I mean, if 316 00:13:25,120 --> 00:13:28,480 Speaker 1: you could find someone between Davante Smith and Dallas Goddard, 317 00:13:28,480 --> 00:13:31,320 Speaker 1: who I think it's about to become a star, impressive 318 00:13:31,679 --> 00:13:34,320 Speaker 1: Burkes or London. I'm just thinking of a size somewhere 319 00:13:34,320 --> 00:13:36,600 Speaker 1: in between. I think that would really round out the offense. 320 00:13:36,640 --> 00:13:38,800 Speaker 1: And and I would think with you guys, wide receivers 321 00:13:38,840 --> 00:13:40,959 Speaker 1: need to block to Yeah, no doubt it. Right, That's 322 00:13:40,960 --> 00:13:43,280 Speaker 1: the thing when you look at, uh, you know, the 323 00:13:43,280 --> 00:13:46,679 Speaker 1: the wide receivers in this class, what are you looking for? Right? 324 00:13:46,720 --> 00:13:48,920 Speaker 1: I mean if Jamison Williams, obviously, if he's healthy, he's 325 00:13:48,920 --> 00:13:51,040 Speaker 1: going much higher I think than what people are talking 326 00:13:51,040 --> 00:13:53,560 Speaker 1: about right now. But uh, you know, he's an absolute 327 00:13:53,640 --> 00:13:56,040 Speaker 1: game breaker. Trailing Brooks is I mean, he is an 328 00:13:56,040 --> 00:14:01,480 Speaker 1: animal man. He's at six three pounds. I remember watching 329 00:14:01,520 --> 00:14:03,160 Speaker 1: him back in the summer, so you know this is 330 00:14:03,160 --> 00:14:06,240 Speaker 1: going off film. I wrote down Torell Owens, I wrote 331 00:14:06,240 --> 00:14:08,480 Speaker 1: down A. J. Brown, I wrote down Deebo Samuel, like 332 00:14:08,480 --> 00:14:11,000 Speaker 1: you just let look at his usage and his body 333 00:14:11,040 --> 00:14:13,960 Speaker 1: type and his skill set. Just that such a unique player. Um. 334 00:14:14,000 --> 00:14:16,439 Speaker 1: But then you know Drake London and all the different 335 00:14:16,440 --> 00:14:18,559 Speaker 1: ways you can use him. Right, So, just a really 336 00:14:18,559 --> 00:14:21,840 Speaker 1: really fun group of wide receivers in this class. And 337 00:14:21,880 --> 00:14:24,760 Speaker 1: it'll come down to what you're looking for in that group. Yeah. Absolutely, 338 00:14:24,800 --> 00:14:28,520 Speaker 1: And and as Matt mentioned that you get some different 339 00:14:28,560 --> 00:14:31,000 Speaker 1: sizes there when when you have a tight end as 340 00:14:31,520 --> 00:14:34,400 Speaker 1: who could be your your number one and in a 341 00:14:34,480 --> 00:14:37,320 Speaker 1: young talented wide receiver like Davante Smith, you might want 342 00:14:37,320 --> 00:14:41,920 Speaker 1: to find something in between that that fits. Um. In 343 00:14:42,080 --> 00:14:47,240 Speaker 1: terms of the draft picks themselves, do you foresee them 344 00:14:47,360 --> 00:14:49,280 Speaker 1: using all three of those first round picks or he's 345 00:14:49,320 --> 00:14:52,400 Speaker 1: maybe a trade one next year for first round pick 346 00:14:52,480 --> 00:14:54,880 Speaker 1: next year? I mean, will they be moving around in 347 00:14:54,960 --> 00:14:57,200 Speaker 1: that or do you you see him using all three picks? 348 00:14:57,200 --> 00:14:59,000 Speaker 1: I mean, one thing that we've seen from Howy Roseman 349 00:14:59,080 --> 00:15:01,320 Speaker 1: is that he's always is willing to move up and 350 00:15:01,320 --> 00:15:03,240 Speaker 1: move down and move back and do all the difference. 351 00:15:03,280 --> 00:15:05,520 Speaker 1: So Uh, I would think that the lines will be 352 00:15:05,560 --> 00:15:08,760 Speaker 1: open in terms of that flexibility, and they love that flexibility. 353 00:15:09,200 --> 00:15:11,240 Speaker 1: What I always ask or say when people ask me 354 00:15:11,280 --> 00:15:12,960 Speaker 1: that is, you still need that partner to be able 355 00:15:13,000 --> 00:15:15,680 Speaker 1: to move up right. Um, you know, whether it's somebody 356 00:15:15,680 --> 00:15:17,280 Speaker 1: that's willing to give up a first round pick for 357 00:15:17,320 --> 00:15:19,160 Speaker 1: next year or somebody willing to give up more picks 358 00:15:19,160 --> 00:15:21,720 Speaker 1: from you know, from further down the draft. Uh, you 359 00:15:21,760 --> 00:15:24,000 Speaker 1: need the right situation for that to be able to 360 00:15:24,000 --> 00:15:26,280 Speaker 1: open up. More often than not, people are moving up 361 00:15:26,280 --> 00:15:29,000 Speaker 1: and giving up those viable assets for a quarterback. Um. 362 00:15:29,120 --> 00:15:30,560 Speaker 1: You know, I think we've seen in the past, Like 363 00:15:30,560 --> 00:15:31,920 Speaker 1: the only other one I can really think of is 364 00:15:31,960 --> 00:15:35,280 Speaker 1: Marcus Davenport recently with the Saints when they moved up. Um, 365 00:15:35,520 --> 00:15:37,840 Speaker 1: you know, outside of that, if you're moving up that high, 366 00:15:38,000 --> 00:15:41,680 Speaker 1: it's typically to take a QB. So Bush, Yeah, that's 367 00:15:41,680 --> 00:15:43,600 Speaker 1: a good point. Devin Bush, No, no question, that's a 368 00:15:43,600 --> 00:15:45,600 Speaker 1: good point. Um. You know, but I think that that's 369 00:15:46,360 --> 00:15:48,840 Speaker 1: you need that kind of situation. We'll see if that happens. Yeah. 370 00:15:48,840 --> 00:15:50,840 Speaker 1: Our guest has been the friend Duffy. 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This place is the biggest building 397 00:18:04,800 --> 00:18:06,760 Speaker 1: I think I've ever been in. I mean, it's like 398 00:18:06,840 --> 00:18:10,000 Speaker 1: two blocks long. It's yes, it takes up entire blocks 399 00:18:10,000 --> 00:18:13,280 Speaker 1: of the whole city. It's amazing how big this place is. 400 00:18:13,280 --> 00:18:15,919 Speaker 1: And you can like walking over here, you're walking past 401 00:18:16,320 --> 00:18:18,240 Speaker 1: like we're in a room right now that that you 402 00:18:18,240 --> 00:18:22,199 Speaker 1: could play a football game. Oh yeah, easily. Feeling we 403 00:18:22,240 --> 00:18:24,320 Speaker 1: need to be gave a little bit higher, but yeah, yeah, 404 00:18:25,320 --> 00:18:27,960 Speaker 1: you can easily play like two basketball You can put 405 00:18:28,000 --> 00:18:31,720 Speaker 1: like five basketball courts in this room. That huge. It's huge, 406 00:18:32,000 --> 00:18:33,960 Speaker 1: and you pass a million you pass like ten of 407 00:18:34,000 --> 00:18:37,040 Speaker 1: them on the way right. There's other conventions going on 408 00:18:37,160 --> 00:18:40,360 Speaker 1: here while the combine the combines going on this place. 409 00:18:40,440 --> 00:18:43,239 Speaker 1: There's a like a health and safety workplace convention right 410 00:18:43,240 --> 00:18:45,359 Speaker 1: next door. One of my favorite things about it actually 411 00:18:45,400 --> 00:18:47,240 Speaker 1: is you know, you're seeing them all the setups in 412 00:18:47,280 --> 00:18:50,080 Speaker 1: the first day, but when we're leaving, they're like be 413 00:18:50,119 --> 00:18:51,960 Speaker 1: setting up for a car show or something here, you know, 414 00:18:52,000 --> 00:18:54,119 Speaker 1: I mean it's amazing new stuff like the stuff they 415 00:18:54,280 --> 00:18:57,040 Speaker 1: use here. And again everything's flat and nice, but you 416 00:18:57,080 --> 00:18:59,480 Speaker 1: get a lot of steps in and you know, you 417 00:18:59,560 --> 00:19:01,879 Speaker 1: get from there and you know, but same every year. 418 00:19:01,920 --> 00:19:04,240 Speaker 1: It's awesome. I'm sad that it might move. I hope 419 00:19:04,240 --> 00:19:06,240 Speaker 1: it doesn't. Yeah, well, we'll see what happens with that. 420 00:19:06,320 --> 00:19:09,800 Speaker 1: Our Combine coverage is presented by First National Bank. Let's 421 00:19:09,840 --> 00:19:13,160 Speaker 1: get started Member f D. I C. He is Matt Williamson, 422 00:19:13,200 --> 00:19:16,639 Speaker 1: that is Wesley Eueller. I am Dale Lally and we 423 00:19:16,720 --> 00:19:20,119 Speaker 1: are here all week long. Were pretty nice. Yeah, that 424 00:19:20,240 --> 00:19:22,800 Speaker 1: was nice stuff there from my friend Duffy about that. 425 00:19:23,119 --> 00:19:27,200 Speaker 1: They are an intriguing team, especially for Steelers fans with 426 00:19:27,240 --> 00:19:29,919 Speaker 1: those three the three picks are all grouped right in 427 00:19:30,000 --> 00:19:33,520 Speaker 1: front of the Steelers picks. What what they do or 428 00:19:33,600 --> 00:19:35,840 Speaker 1: what they don't do is going to have a great effect, 429 00:19:36,440 --> 00:19:40,040 Speaker 1: you know, them trade. If somebody wants to get let's 430 00:19:40,080 --> 00:19:45,480 Speaker 1: let's say, for example, Malik Willis is available, people are 431 00:19:45,480 --> 00:19:47,520 Speaker 1: calling the Eagles trying to maybe get ahead of the 432 00:19:47,520 --> 00:19:52,040 Speaker 1: Steelers or the Steelers getting on the phone to get up. Yeah. Yeah, 433 00:19:52,280 --> 00:19:55,119 Speaker 1: I mean that's I mean, that's a lot of draft 434 00:19:55,160 --> 00:19:57,800 Speaker 1: capital and we didn't get into it Machu with with Rand, 435 00:19:57,840 --> 00:19:59,800 Speaker 1: but I mean we have before. There's so many good 436 00:20:00,200 --> 00:20:02,439 Speaker 1: guys that the Steelers aren't gonna be a play. I 437 00:20:02,440 --> 00:20:04,000 Speaker 1: think you want one to fall on one of those 438 00:20:04,000 --> 00:20:07,240 Speaker 1: three picks for sure, and there's a good chance does Yeah, 439 00:20:07,520 --> 00:20:11,680 Speaker 1: if the Steelers are let's say the Steelers. Everybody always 440 00:20:11,680 --> 00:20:14,520 Speaker 1: wants to trade back. It seems like more than ever 441 00:20:14,600 --> 00:20:16,520 Speaker 1: this year, there's not the stud to go get, you 442 00:20:16,560 --> 00:20:19,480 Speaker 1: know what, to be able to trade back. I think 443 00:20:19,520 --> 00:20:21,359 Speaker 1: one of those edge guys would have to It would 444 00:20:21,359 --> 00:20:23,800 Speaker 1: have to be one of the edge guys that you 445 00:20:23,840 --> 00:20:27,080 Speaker 1: can't believe to be a still available. Yeah, with the 446 00:20:27,080 --> 00:20:29,800 Speaker 1: difference between a Jabo and you know, one of the 447 00:20:29,880 --> 00:20:32,639 Speaker 1: other ones that has an equal grade, several would have 448 00:20:32,760 --> 00:20:34,760 Speaker 1: to fall and then there's one left. And I don't 449 00:20:34,760 --> 00:20:36,280 Speaker 1: know if they'll be that kind of rush on them. 450 00:20:36,359 --> 00:20:38,879 Speaker 1: We're we're one of the offensive like let's say that, 451 00:20:38,960 --> 00:20:42,920 Speaker 1: Let's say I don't know, four offensive tackles go before 452 00:20:42,960 --> 00:20:45,520 Speaker 1: the Steelers pick. I don't think the target would be 453 00:20:45,600 --> 00:20:47,880 Speaker 1: you know, for the Steelers to move back. You're talking 454 00:20:47,920 --> 00:20:50,119 Speaker 1: about for somebody to want to move up to twenty, 455 00:20:50,520 --> 00:20:52,680 Speaker 1: Like everybody it's it's it's easy to say, well, the 456 00:20:52,680 --> 00:20:55,439 Speaker 1: Steelers should move back, but there has to be somebody 457 00:20:55,520 --> 00:20:59,520 Speaker 1: available there that that somebody else wants to do that, 458 00:21:00,720 --> 00:21:02,440 Speaker 1: and I'm not sure who that is. I mean, maybe 459 00:21:02,520 --> 00:21:05,920 Speaker 1: some names emerge after this week. A third corner is 460 00:21:06,119 --> 00:21:08,040 Speaker 1: you know, really I could see maybe being one of 461 00:21:08,040 --> 00:21:11,080 Speaker 1: the inside linebackers. I said, maybe Lloyd falls the guys 462 00:21:11,080 --> 00:21:13,600 Speaker 1: I was thinking those guys if you if you watched 463 00:21:13,640 --> 00:21:16,199 Speaker 1: the mock drafts, that the two inside linebackers, the other 464 00:21:16,240 --> 00:21:19,080 Speaker 1: one being the key Koby Dean. Yeah, those guys go 465 00:21:19,119 --> 00:21:20,879 Speaker 1: all over the first round. There's not a lot of 466 00:21:21,000 --> 00:21:23,440 Speaker 1: linebacker needy team and like Philly's one of them. And 467 00:21:23,480 --> 00:21:26,040 Speaker 1: they never use first round picks on the linebacker since 468 00:21:26,119 --> 00:21:28,160 Speaker 1: literally the seventies, Right was the last time. I think 469 00:21:28,920 --> 00:21:31,360 Speaker 1: it's been an unbelievably long stretched it's a first round pick. 470 00:21:31,720 --> 00:21:34,040 Speaker 1: I forget what who the last one was. But yeah, 471 00:21:34,080 --> 00:21:36,680 Speaker 1: I mean, so don't count on that. History shows it's 472 00:21:36,680 --> 00:21:38,960 Speaker 1: probably not likely. Yeah, it's interesting. I mean there's not 473 00:21:38,960 --> 00:21:41,920 Speaker 1: a running back. Maybe there's a run on receivers. I 474 00:21:41,920 --> 00:21:43,760 Speaker 1: mean there's not a tight end. You know, I don't 475 00:21:43,760 --> 00:21:46,120 Speaker 1: know who who's the target to move up. Yeah, it's 476 00:21:46,160 --> 00:21:48,920 Speaker 1: just again as he his friends said, usually it's a 477 00:21:49,000 --> 00:21:53,359 Speaker 1: quarterback that you you're targeting to go get. And you know, again, 478 00:21:53,400 --> 00:21:56,159 Speaker 1: if somebody's gonna Steelers aren't going to trade out of us, 479 00:21:56,160 --> 00:21:59,320 Speaker 1: but potentially where there's a quarterback available and let's say 480 00:21:59,720 --> 00:22:04,760 Speaker 1: take care of that, right. So interesting, Yeah, No, Eagles 481 00:22:04,800 --> 00:22:06,840 Speaker 1: have a lot to do with what's going on. It's 482 00:22:07,400 --> 00:22:09,439 Speaker 1: and there they have three picks in the in the 483 00:22:09,480 --> 00:22:13,760 Speaker 1: top twenty, actually three in the top nineteen, and you 484 00:22:13,840 --> 00:22:15,960 Speaker 1: have both New York teams with two picks in each 485 00:22:16,000 --> 00:22:18,440 Speaker 1: in the top ten. Yeah right, I mean it's it's 486 00:22:18,440 --> 00:22:21,040 Speaker 1: it's a really kind of an interesting draft from that 487 00:22:21,160 --> 00:22:25,440 Speaker 1: perspective because you have you have three teams and quarterbacks. 488 00:22:25,520 --> 00:22:27,399 Speaker 1: Yeah right, and they don't need to corret three teams 489 00:22:27,400 --> 00:22:30,480 Speaker 1: that control five of the top I'm sorry, seven of 490 00:22:30,520 --> 00:22:33,119 Speaker 1: the top nineteen picks. Yeah, which is so interesting. It's 491 00:22:34,240 --> 00:22:36,840 Speaker 1: and that's the result of last year being such a 492 00:22:36,840 --> 00:22:38,960 Speaker 1: good quarterback draft. You know, some of these teams that 493 00:22:39,000 --> 00:22:42,040 Speaker 1: weren't in the quarterback market benefited. So um, you know, 494 00:22:42,760 --> 00:22:45,520 Speaker 1: could I mean I'm spitballing here, but what if the 495 00:22:45,560 --> 00:22:48,399 Speaker 1: Steelers take Willis or Picket or corral or whoever. And 496 00:22:48,440 --> 00:22:51,679 Speaker 1: then next year they're that team you know that doesn't 497 00:22:51,680 --> 00:22:53,639 Speaker 1: need a quarterback and everybody's begging for and you end 498 00:22:53,680 --> 00:22:55,439 Speaker 1: up with two first round picks later and you know, 499 00:22:55,480 --> 00:22:57,280 Speaker 1: even though you maybe moved up this year, I don't know. 500 00:22:57,320 --> 00:22:59,680 Speaker 1: I'm just saying that quarterbacks moved them, moved the needle. 501 00:22:59,720 --> 00:23:04,320 Speaker 1: I think the hurt stuff with the Eagles, Um, I 502 00:23:04,320 --> 00:23:07,480 Speaker 1: didn't love Jalen Hurts as a no. I wasn't a 503 00:23:07,520 --> 00:23:11,280 Speaker 1: big fan. But he's been, he's been, They've done okay 504 00:23:11,280 --> 00:23:13,560 Speaker 1: with him. I've publicly said many times I didn't think 505 00:23:13,600 --> 00:23:15,920 Speaker 1: he was a NFL starting quarterback, and since then I've said, 506 00:23:16,600 --> 00:23:18,440 Speaker 1: I'm open to the idea of building around him with 507 00:23:18,480 --> 00:23:21,840 Speaker 1: three first round picks and see what he can do. Yeah, 508 00:23:21,840 --> 00:23:26,480 Speaker 1: it's the ability to run, that's the cheap code. Yeah. 509 00:23:26,600 --> 00:23:28,800 Speaker 1: The people that are saying, well, the Steelers can't draft 510 00:23:28,920 --> 00:23:32,440 Speaker 1: lake Willis or lake Willis the floor is too low 511 00:23:32,480 --> 00:23:34,439 Speaker 1: and the upside, I don't know that his floor is 512 00:23:34,480 --> 00:23:37,280 Speaker 1: that low, right, or boy, he's gonna need a lot 513 00:23:37,280 --> 00:23:39,920 Speaker 1: of time to develop, not if he's running a high 514 00:23:39,920 --> 00:23:41,600 Speaker 1: percentage of the time, you know what I mean. Like 515 00:23:41,640 --> 00:23:44,119 Speaker 1: I mean, when the Eagles decided to run the football. 516 00:23:44,400 --> 00:23:47,359 Speaker 1: The first half of last season, they didn't run the 517 00:23:47,359 --> 00:23:50,200 Speaker 1: football with the running backs much. No, no, they became 518 00:23:50,200 --> 00:23:52,080 Speaker 1: a heavy run team. And then they became a heavy 519 00:23:52,160 --> 00:23:54,800 Speaker 1: run team, and all of a sudden they started winning games, 520 00:23:55,040 --> 00:23:57,600 Speaker 1: right you know, and in the quarterback was a big 521 00:23:57,640 --> 00:23:59,879 Speaker 1: part of that. You know, I think if you if 522 00:24:00,000 --> 00:24:04,040 Speaker 1: you take a gumble design design, I think, if you 523 00:24:04,119 --> 00:24:06,800 Speaker 1: take a guy like Malik Willis and everybody who's complaining 524 00:24:06,840 --> 00:24:11,760 Speaker 1: about the Steelers running game right now it was bad. 525 00:24:11,800 --> 00:24:14,760 Speaker 1: They have yards rushing in per game or whatever it 526 00:24:14,800 --> 00:24:18,080 Speaker 1: was last year. If you get five from your gonna yeah, 527 00:24:18,119 --> 00:24:21,159 Speaker 1: you're gonna get even more than that from your quarterback 528 00:24:21,200 --> 00:24:22,680 Speaker 1: of a game, You're not gonna be the one of 529 00:24:22,720 --> 00:24:25,360 Speaker 1: the worst running You're gonna be probably a top ten 530 00:24:25,440 --> 00:24:27,399 Speaker 1: running team all of a sudden. And then what happens. 531 00:24:27,440 --> 00:24:29,720 Speaker 1: Then Deonte Johnson's got one on once, you know what 532 00:24:29,800 --> 00:24:32,760 Speaker 1: I mean? Changes everything one on once, you know, like 533 00:24:33,400 --> 00:24:36,240 Speaker 1: just adding a threat at that quarterback position that can run, 534 00:24:36,760 --> 00:24:38,280 Speaker 1: you put another guy in the box. There's just a 535 00:24:38,359 --> 00:24:40,479 Speaker 1: huge Butler talked about it all the time last year. 536 00:24:40,480 --> 00:24:42,760 Speaker 1: Every time the Steelers will play one of these teams 537 00:24:42,800 --> 00:24:46,439 Speaker 1: that had a running quarterback. It creates an an additional 538 00:24:46,680 --> 00:24:49,000 Speaker 1: gap that you have to fill. We get ten blockers 539 00:24:48,960 --> 00:24:54,879 Speaker 1: inside nine. Huh. You know we've heard a lot and 540 00:24:55,119 --> 00:24:58,520 Speaker 1: obviously everyone knows. Again, you know you're you're really talking 541 00:24:58,560 --> 00:25:00,720 Speaker 1: about that that QB one position for the first time 542 00:25:00,720 --> 00:25:03,640 Speaker 1: in a long time, Mike Tomlin, I mean, dating back 543 00:25:03,680 --> 00:25:06,119 Speaker 1: to the bye week, I believe right Dale has been studied. 544 00:25:06,200 --> 00:25:10,280 Speaker 1: The quarterback mobility. Kevin Colbert has talked a lot about 545 00:25:10,320 --> 00:25:14,720 Speaker 1: accuracy in the last couple of weeks. That's the blend 546 00:25:14,760 --> 00:25:17,600 Speaker 1: you're looking for. But what it because it feels like 547 00:25:17,640 --> 00:25:22,719 Speaker 1: from a leak the big noting those two things together exactly, 548 00:25:22,880 --> 00:25:25,800 Speaker 1: you're not going to get that guy. But if, but if, 549 00:25:25,840 --> 00:25:28,119 Speaker 1: if it feels like if you're gonna sacrifice or at 550 00:25:28,160 --> 00:25:31,800 Speaker 1: least say, hey, we're willing to work with you, take 551 00:25:31,800 --> 00:25:34,080 Speaker 1: the mobility and then try and work with some of 552 00:25:34,080 --> 00:25:38,640 Speaker 1: the inactive mobility. The mobility gives him, He gives him Is, 553 00:25:39,160 --> 00:25:43,560 Speaker 1: as he said, something to fall back on while the 554 00:25:43,680 --> 00:25:47,320 Speaker 1: rest him on the field. Yeah, the more I think 555 00:25:47,320 --> 00:25:49,560 Speaker 1: about it, I mean, Willis is the perfect example. But 556 00:25:50,480 --> 00:25:52,880 Speaker 1: let's say it costs you next year's first ago from 557 00:25:52,880 --> 00:25:57,159 Speaker 1: twenty to ten and you take Willis and that's not 558 00:25:57,280 --> 00:25:59,960 Speaker 1: necessarily a move for ten years from now. I mean 559 00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:01,879 Speaker 1: you hope it is, and that all those things come 560 00:26:01,920 --> 00:26:06,040 Speaker 1: together eventually. But in the meantime, you can find ways 561 00:26:06,080 --> 00:26:08,159 Speaker 1: to use him. And it's not just even packages. I 562 00:26:08,160 --> 00:26:09,959 Speaker 1: mean you can just throw them out there, and all 563 00:26:09,960 --> 00:26:12,280 Speaker 1: of a sudden you become a lot harder to play against, 564 00:26:12,280 --> 00:26:15,399 Speaker 1: you know, while he's learning to me and you have 565 00:26:15,400 --> 00:26:18,520 Speaker 1: a quarterback on a five year, cost effective deal. The 566 00:26:18,560 --> 00:26:21,120 Speaker 1: other thing that people seem to forget because they only 567 00:26:21,160 --> 00:26:24,640 Speaker 1: remember Ben Roethlisberger the last couple of years, is how 568 00:26:24,720 --> 00:26:29,760 Speaker 1: mobile he was early in his career, stending extending plays. 569 00:26:29,800 --> 00:26:32,600 Speaker 1: Sometimes he would run, but more often than not, he 570 00:26:32,640 --> 00:26:35,480 Speaker 1: was running around in the back looking looking to throw 571 00:26:35,520 --> 00:26:38,240 Speaker 1: the football. We think of that from a cornerbacks perspective. 572 00:26:38,640 --> 00:26:41,560 Speaker 1: I was hard enough as a pass rusher, but man, 573 00:26:41,840 --> 00:26:45,800 Speaker 1: now I I watched his play on tape. I knew 574 00:26:45,800 --> 00:26:49,800 Speaker 1: this route concept. They ran it, and then all of 575 00:26:49,840 --> 00:26:51,960 Speaker 1: a sudden, also the quarterbacks holding the ball in the 576 00:26:51,960 --> 00:26:55,399 Speaker 1: backfield for six seconds because he's running around, and now 577 00:26:55,400 --> 00:26:57,280 Speaker 1: I get to cover this guy. Now I'm best A 578 00:26:57,320 --> 00:27:00,440 Speaker 1: lot scrambled. We uh, we went out to inner last 579 00:27:00,520 --> 00:27:02,240 Speaker 1: night with some people when we got here into town 580 00:27:02,280 --> 00:27:05,159 Speaker 1: and and two of the people are Steelers video staff 581 00:27:05,560 --> 00:27:07,479 Speaker 1: and talking about the cut up that they put together 582 00:27:07,880 --> 00:27:10,600 Speaker 1: um over an hour long of every touchdown pass that 583 00:27:10,680 --> 00:27:12,840 Speaker 1: been through in his career, in order from the first 584 00:27:12,840 --> 00:27:14,840 Speaker 1: one to last one. You watch that cut up a 585 00:27:14,880 --> 00:27:17,400 Speaker 1: lot of those. In the first ten fifteen minutes, He's 586 00:27:17,440 --> 00:27:20,879 Speaker 1: scrambling around for six, seven, eight, nine seconds before he 587 00:27:20,920 --> 00:27:22,800 Speaker 1: finally hits You know, Heath Miller in the back of 588 00:27:22,840 --> 00:27:27,679 Speaker 1: the end zone didn't know what I mean exactly. You got. 589 00:27:29,160 --> 00:27:30,960 Speaker 1: You gotta use your trades before you use your mind. 590 00:27:31,160 --> 00:27:33,520 Speaker 1: And again, let's say they do cost my first one, 591 00:27:33,560 --> 00:27:35,840 Speaker 1: I picked the trade up for Willis, Well, then where 592 00:27:35,840 --> 00:27:37,480 Speaker 1: do you think their salary cap money is going to 593 00:27:37,600 --> 00:27:40,960 Speaker 1: offensive lineman and juju? And you know, like you're gonna 594 00:27:41,000 --> 00:27:44,280 Speaker 1: have a better nest for him because of the other 595 00:27:44,359 --> 00:27:46,639 Speaker 1: resources you haven't been able to use, you know. So, 596 00:27:47,000 --> 00:27:48,520 Speaker 1: I don't know. I think there's a lot of interesting 597 00:27:48,560 --> 00:27:51,720 Speaker 1: ways ago it's with with with an athletic quarterback. Yeah, 598 00:27:51,720 --> 00:27:53,640 Speaker 1: I mean again, it gives it gives you that ability 599 00:27:53,760 --> 00:27:56,840 Speaker 1: to just it's a cheap code. I mean just it 600 00:27:57,000 --> 00:28:01,320 Speaker 1: just is UM and you can win with those guys. 601 00:28:01,400 --> 00:28:02,920 Speaker 1: I mean, the Steelers won a lot of games with 602 00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:06,080 Speaker 1: Courdell Stewart at quarterback. Now, they went through some down 603 00:28:06,160 --> 00:28:08,919 Speaker 1: periods with Cordell Steward, but that was when they were 604 00:28:08,960 --> 00:28:10,840 Speaker 1: trying to make him a pocket passer. As I say, 605 00:28:10,840 --> 00:28:14,000 Speaker 1: imagine if he came out now, if Cordell Stewart was 606 00:28:14,040 --> 00:28:17,240 Speaker 1: in this Cordell Steward would be the number one pick 607 00:28:17,280 --> 00:28:20,080 Speaker 1: in this draft. I think so too. With his with 608 00:28:20,200 --> 00:28:22,440 Speaker 1: his skill set, Cordel Stewart would have been the number 609 00:28:22,480 --> 00:28:24,359 Speaker 1: one pick in this draft. Yeah, I tend to agree. 610 00:28:24,520 --> 00:28:28,000 Speaker 1: I don't remember him as a passers on my mind, 611 00:28:28,080 --> 00:28:31,440 Speaker 1: he was. He was adequate as a passer. Uh. He 612 00:28:31,680 --> 00:28:34,480 Speaker 1: was the best running quarterback in the league for a 613 00:28:34,560 --> 00:28:38,800 Speaker 1: long time. I mean he had he had he just 614 00:28:38,880 --> 00:28:45,640 Speaker 1: had that extra gear that you couldn't and it was 615 00:28:45,720 --> 00:28:48,200 Speaker 1: just it was just fantastic at it um. I mean, 616 00:28:48,240 --> 00:28:51,240 Speaker 1: to win from the pocket only in today's NFL, it 617 00:28:51,320 --> 00:28:53,120 Speaker 1: is nearly impossible. I mean, you have to be so 618 00:28:53,280 --> 00:28:56,520 Speaker 1: far advanced mentally at a Brady Rogers like level, because 619 00:28:56,960 --> 00:28:59,120 Speaker 1: you know, with all respect of the offensive linemen out there, 620 00:28:59,280 --> 00:29:01,600 Speaker 1: those five guys blocking for you just aren't as athletic 621 00:29:01,640 --> 00:29:03,320 Speaker 1: as the dudes. Jason, you you know you're at a 622 00:29:03,360 --> 00:29:06,760 Speaker 1: disadvantage there, and it's becoming a bigger, bigger discrepan ce 623 00:29:06,840 --> 00:29:11,800 Speaker 1: in my opinion. And there's nine guys who are edge 624 00:29:11,880 --> 00:29:13,479 Speaker 1: rushers who could go in the first round and look 625 00:29:13,480 --> 00:29:15,600 Speaker 1: at the numbers are gonna put up there. We'll be staggering. 626 00:29:15,680 --> 00:29:18,560 Speaker 1: You know. It's just yeah, it's just an impossible to 627 00:29:18,640 --> 00:29:20,440 Speaker 1: keep up with that, so you have to figure out 628 00:29:20,440 --> 00:29:23,640 Speaker 1: other ways. And again, everybody's spreading everybody out now, you 629 00:29:23,680 --> 00:29:26,400 Speaker 1: know that just the spread comms concepts are creating more 630 00:29:27,080 --> 00:29:29,760 Speaker 1: gaps and holes and ability to hey, we need six 631 00:29:29,880 --> 00:29:31,240 Speaker 1: yards here, we don't have to throw it to get 632 00:29:31,280 --> 00:29:33,240 Speaker 1: six yards with quarterback and just run for it. And 633 00:29:33,320 --> 00:29:35,640 Speaker 1: even though these these defensive linement i mentioned are so 634 00:29:35,720 --> 00:29:38,520 Speaker 1: athletic and so impressive coming the league, still hard to 635 00:29:38,560 --> 00:29:41,680 Speaker 1: get Molik Willis or Lamar Jackson on the ground or 636 00:29:41,920 --> 00:29:43,840 Speaker 1: Homes or Alan or any of those guys. You gonna 637 00:29:43,840 --> 00:29:45,920 Speaker 1: catch him and put him on the ground. He is 638 00:29:45,960 --> 00:29:48,720 Speaker 1: Matt Williamson. That's West Shouler. I'm Dale Lully. You're listening 639 00:29:48,800 --> 00:29:52,080 Speaker 1: to our coverage here on Steelers Nation Radio of the NFL. 640 00:29:52,080 --> 00:29:54,240 Speaker 1: Scouting Combine here will be here all week. We'll be 641 00:29:54,320 --> 00:29:57,200 Speaker 1: on today until five o'clock. We're gonna take another break. 642 00:29:57,200 --> 00:30:06,360 Speaker 1: We'll be back with more right after this. Yeah, live 643 00:30:06,440 --> 00:30:11,240 Speaker 1: from Indianapolis. This is continuing cover each of the NFL 644 00:30:11,360 --> 00:30:55,120 Speaker 1: Combine on Steelers Nation Radio. Ah, we're back. I'm Dale 645 00:30:55,160 --> 00:30:58,840 Speaker 1: Ally here with West Shuler and Matt Williamson and our 646 00:30:58,920 --> 00:31:03,240 Speaker 1: Combine coverage here at the Indianapolis Scouting Combine in the 647 00:31:03,320 --> 00:31:06,720 Speaker 1: Indianapolis at the Indiana Convention Center. You do this every 648 00:31:06,760 --> 00:31:10,960 Speaker 1: year too many Indiana Indians. But our Combine coverage is 649 00:31:11,040 --> 00:31:13,840 Speaker 1: presented by First National Bank. Let's get started. Member f 650 00:31:14,040 --> 00:31:16,560 Speaker 1: D i C had some great guests today. We're just 651 00:31:16,680 --> 00:31:20,040 Speaker 1: chatting there with Max starks Off there about young Ben 652 00:31:20,160 --> 00:31:27,160 Speaker 1: Roethlisberger and and just how uh everybody again everybody remembers 653 00:31:27,200 --> 00:31:30,360 Speaker 1: old Ben right and and the lack of mobility that 654 00:31:30,440 --> 00:31:32,920 Speaker 1: he had by the end of his career. Go back 655 00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:37,040 Speaker 1: and watch young Ben Roethlisberger like run around and make 656 00:31:37,360 --> 00:31:40,280 Speaker 1: like he was the epitome of a young quarterback, a 657 00:31:40,360 --> 00:31:43,880 Speaker 1: young stallion that didn't know that he didn't know, you know, 658 00:31:44,080 --> 00:31:48,240 Speaker 1: do that type of thing. Yeah, keeps ringing me back 659 00:31:48,280 --> 00:31:50,880 Speaker 1: to this class, and in the last couple of rookie classes, 660 00:31:51,400 --> 00:31:54,840 Speaker 1: these guys that are immensely talented like Ben were, as 661 00:31:54,880 --> 00:31:57,440 Speaker 1: they learned the mental side, they can get by now 662 00:31:57,560 --> 00:32:01,520 Speaker 1: better than ever, but they better have those traits. Yeah, 663 00:32:01,520 --> 00:32:02,920 Speaker 1: I mean that That's that's why I keep going back 664 00:32:02,920 --> 00:32:05,880 Speaker 1: to Willows. I mean, he has traits, he has rare traits. Yeah. 665 00:32:06,200 --> 00:32:08,320 Speaker 1: So we'll say. One of the things that that Moates 666 00:32:08,360 --> 00:32:11,160 Speaker 1: and I discussed, you know, in the the aftermath of 667 00:32:11,400 --> 00:32:12,840 Speaker 1: the wild Card game and when it was you know, 668 00:32:12,880 --> 00:32:14,800 Speaker 1: when we knew that that was it for Ben, it's 669 00:32:14,840 --> 00:32:16,720 Speaker 1: I mean, when a guy plays for eighteen years for 670 00:32:16,840 --> 00:32:20,640 Speaker 1: one organization, it's easy to forget the first few years. 671 00:32:21,160 --> 00:32:23,640 Speaker 1: You know, it's easier to focus on his thirties. You know, 672 00:32:23,720 --> 00:32:25,720 Speaker 1: he's covered all those games, and I forgot some of 673 00:32:25,800 --> 00:32:27,360 Speaker 1: you know, you just don't if you don't remember it 674 00:32:27,400 --> 00:32:29,640 Speaker 1: the way that you you know, when I watched that highlight, 675 00:32:29,680 --> 00:32:31,000 Speaker 1: I was shocked. I was like, well, there's a lot 676 00:32:31,040 --> 00:32:33,240 Speaker 1: more play action than I thought, and just different things 677 00:32:33,320 --> 00:32:34,840 Speaker 1: like that. You know. One of the things that that 678 00:32:34,960 --> 00:32:37,680 Speaker 1: Motes brought up that I again just thought was a 679 00:32:37,760 --> 00:32:40,320 Speaker 1: good like you forget these things. But when when Ben 680 00:32:40,440 --> 00:32:44,040 Speaker 1: came in the league. There wasn't necessarily the same expectation 681 00:32:44,080 --> 00:32:45,600 Speaker 1: that there is now that if you're a quarterback and 682 00:32:45,640 --> 00:32:47,840 Speaker 1: you're taking in the first round, you're the week one starter. 683 00:32:48,400 --> 00:32:50,320 Speaker 1: Like that there was there was there was a lot 684 00:32:50,480 --> 00:32:53,480 Speaker 1: more of you know, guys get drafted, Guys wait their time, 685 00:32:53,640 --> 00:32:56,120 Speaker 1: guys learned the offense. And we thought that that was 686 00:32:56,160 --> 00:32:57,880 Speaker 1: going to be the case with Ben, of course until 687 00:32:57,960 --> 00:33:00,200 Speaker 1: Tommy got hurt. But I think that's an the thing 688 00:33:00,280 --> 00:33:04,160 Speaker 1: that he deserves credit for is being ready for that moment, 689 00:33:04,280 --> 00:33:06,880 Speaker 1: even though he wasn't the clear cut QB one coming 690 00:33:06,920 --> 00:33:09,200 Speaker 1: into training camper in in the preseason. You know, you 691 00:33:09,280 --> 00:33:11,760 Speaker 1: don't have to get ready if you stay ready, and 692 00:33:11,840 --> 00:33:14,320 Speaker 1: I think he was one of those. There's obviously guys 693 00:33:14,360 --> 00:33:16,960 Speaker 1: before him, but no, you're you're not helped that helped 694 00:33:17,040 --> 00:33:21,200 Speaker 1: set the expectations so many of these quarterbacks, and you 695 00:33:21,240 --> 00:33:25,520 Speaker 1: see it in all these drafts go top five, top ten, 696 00:33:26,360 --> 00:33:28,080 Speaker 1: and so they're going to a team that didn't have 697 00:33:28,160 --> 00:33:30,520 Speaker 1: a quarterback, and so they're getting thrown in there. But 698 00:33:30,640 --> 00:33:33,719 Speaker 1: everything thrown in there with bad teams, and so you're 699 00:33:33,760 --> 00:33:36,200 Speaker 1: gonna struggle in those like the jet cycle that they've 700 00:33:36,240 --> 00:33:39,320 Speaker 1: had going on. I brought up a hundred times even today. 701 00:33:39,440 --> 00:33:42,320 Speaker 1: I mean Holmes and Watson, and we don't look at 702 00:33:42,360 --> 00:33:44,120 Speaker 1: those teams like they were powerhouses that they went to, 703 00:33:44,240 --> 00:33:46,200 Speaker 1: but they were playoff teams that traded up to go 704 00:33:46,320 --> 00:33:48,640 Speaker 1: get a guy. I mean, so there was something in place. 705 00:33:48,760 --> 00:33:51,320 Speaker 1: They were playoff teams, you know, West you mentioned it 706 00:33:51,440 --> 00:33:54,680 Speaker 1: like during the young Ben era. Um, you know, Carson 707 00:33:54,760 --> 00:33:58,000 Speaker 1: Palmer sat behind Kittna for a year. I mean, Aikman 708 00:33:58,080 --> 00:34:00,680 Speaker 1: and Peyton Manning were thrown right in his first overall 709 00:34:00,720 --> 00:34:03,640 Speaker 1: picks and got destroyed. And it still have I mean, 710 00:34:03,680 --> 00:34:07,640 Speaker 1: the Holmes didn't start till the last game game. But 711 00:34:08,160 --> 00:34:11,440 Speaker 1: that's rare. That's rare. Now, Ben was part of that, 712 00:34:11,680 --> 00:34:13,960 Speaker 1: you know, that wave of changing that perception that you 713 00:34:14,080 --> 00:34:16,080 Speaker 1: better be ready to go. And now if you can 714 00:34:16,120 --> 00:34:18,759 Speaker 1: bring in a great athlete there, they can keep their 715 00:34:18,760 --> 00:34:21,040 Speaker 1: head above water and make plays and extend things. And 716 00:34:21,640 --> 00:34:23,680 Speaker 1: I'm not ripping on old guy Ben. I mean, we 717 00:34:23,760 --> 00:34:25,920 Speaker 1: all know what a great career he had. But if 718 00:34:25,960 --> 00:34:28,279 Speaker 1: you go back and watch that video and then let's 719 00:34:28,320 --> 00:34:32,360 Speaker 1: just pretend that you put rookie Ben in this offense, 720 00:34:32,960 --> 00:34:35,120 Speaker 1: that'd be pretty exciting. And he didn't know what that 721 00:34:35,239 --> 00:34:37,200 Speaker 1: he was doing, you know, and I'm not applying that 722 00:34:37,280 --> 00:34:39,200 Speaker 1: the next guy will turn into an eighteen year Hall 723 00:34:39,200 --> 00:34:41,920 Speaker 1: of Famer, But if you put rookie Ben on this team, 724 00:34:42,680 --> 00:34:44,680 Speaker 1: that's how you could, Babe, look at this draft, you know, 725 00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:47,680 Speaker 1: if it's Ridder or whoever, you know, Yeah, I mean, 726 00:34:47,760 --> 00:34:51,400 Speaker 1: it's it's it's just it's a different era. Some of 727 00:34:51,480 --> 00:34:54,759 Speaker 1: that's because of the way the salary cap is now structured. Uh, 728 00:34:55,000 --> 00:34:57,040 Speaker 1: And it's that's different than it used to be where 729 00:34:57,320 --> 00:35:00,520 Speaker 1: these guys, these guys were, you know, Sam Bradford made 730 00:35:00,560 --> 00:35:03,799 Speaker 1: so much made so much money, right, you couldn't get 731 00:35:03,840 --> 00:35:05,759 Speaker 1: other things. Yeah, I just paid quarterbacks in the league 732 00:35:05,760 --> 00:35:07,759 Speaker 1: before he was good, you know, JaMarcus Russell and these 733 00:35:07,840 --> 00:35:10,719 Speaker 1: these guys were getting ridiculous contracts before they had ever 734 00:35:10,760 --> 00:35:13,520 Speaker 1: played a football game. And now you've got, you know, 735 00:35:13,800 --> 00:35:16,040 Speaker 1: a little more of a sanity in the in the 736 00:35:16,120 --> 00:35:19,560 Speaker 1: salary structure, so you can build around these young guys 737 00:35:19,600 --> 00:35:22,960 Speaker 1: a little bit easier. And now, especially if they draft 738 00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:24,960 Speaker 1: a quarterback as opposed to signing one, the salary cap 739 00:35:25,040 --> 00:35:27,680 Speaker 1: is gonna be the Steelers friend. Yes, absolutely. For so 740 00:35:27,800 --> 00:35:31,000 Speaker 1: many years it's been they've been fighting option. Yeah, you know, 741 00:35:31,040 --> 00:35:33,840 Speaker 1: we we've kind of talked about how the cheat code 742 00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:35,840 Speaker 1: and mobility and guys that are able to do it 743 00:35:35,920 --> 00:35:38,759 Speaker 1: both ways. The real quarterback cheak code, right is to 744 00:35:38,880 --> 00:35:40,640 Speaker 1: get the guy as a rookie and then you've got 745 00:35:40,760 --> 00:35:44,239 Speaker 1: five years to Dak Prescott, Russell Wilson or what the 746 00:35:44,320 --> 00:35:46,600 Speaker 1: what the Chiefs did with Mahomes, you know, like what 747 00:35:46,960 --> 00:35:48,759 Speaker 1: the Bengals are you know, gonna try and do this 748 00:35:48,880 --> 00:35:50,960 Speaker 1: offseason around Joe Burrow with all the money that they've 749 00:35:51,000 --> 00:35:53,839 Speaker 1: got to use. Um, that's that's another one of those 750 00:35:53,920 --> 00:35:55,600 Speaker 1: cheat codes. If you can find the young guy and 751 00:35:55,680 --> 00:35:58,560 Speaker 1: you've got them cost effective for for five years, gold 752 00:35:58,719 --> 00:36:00,520 Speaker 1: all of a sudden, you could pay to keep your 753 00:36:00,560 --> 00:36:03,080 Speaker 1: defense together. You can reinforce the offensive line. Maybe you 754 00:36:03,120 --> 00:36:05,040 Speaker 1: can pay a little bit more than you normally would 755 00:36:05,080 --> 00:36:07,520 Speaker 1: to a wide receiver, a playmaker, and and and the 756 00:36:07,600 --> 00:36:11,120 Speaker 1: hope is is that during that five year period you 757 00:36:11,440 --> 00:36:16,120 Speaker 1: win a lot. He gets the experience that he needs 758 00:36:16,160 --> 00:36:22,200 Speaker 1: to then be the the engine. Yeah. Now, now after 759 00:36:22,280 --> 00:36:25,759 Speaker 1: when he started finally starts making money, he's to the 760 00:36:25,800 --> 00:36:27,759 Speaker 1: point in his career where he can carry the team 761 00:36:28,520 --> 00:36:30,839 Speaker 1: as opposed to before that, you know, maybe the team 762 00:36:30,880 --> 00:36:32,759 Speaker 1: had to carry him a little bit, and you've you 763 00:36:32,880 --> 00:36:35,560 Speaker 1: surrounded him with great players and I think you know 764 00:36:35,600 --> 00:36:38,400 Speaker 1: you're seeing that with Alan a little bit. Yeah, I 765 00:36:38,440 --> 00:36:42,360 Speaker 1: mean show completely now, you know, right, And it brings 766 00:36:42,440 --> 00:36:44,560 Speaker 1: me I bring up Javon Hargreave of a lot, and 767 00:36:44,880 --> 00:36:46,560 Speaker 1: not just because we were talking Eagles a minute ago, 768 00:36:46,640 --> 00:36:50,600 Speaker 1: but it's and my logic is of the recent free 769 00:36:50,640 --> 00:36:53,759 Speaker 1: agents that left, he's the name that comes up to 770 00:36:53,840 --> 00:36:58,040 Speaker 1: me of and you would you would be able to 771 00:36:58,120 --> 00:37:02,320 Speaker 1: keep all those types going forward. So it just wasn't impossible, 772 00:37:02,560 --> 00:37:04,279 Speaker 1: you know at that point. I mean just because of 773 00:37:04,960 --> 00:37:06,520 Speaker 1: what you had in the salty. He couldn't write, you 774 00:37:06,560 --> 00:37:09,400 Speaker 1: couldn't page Yvon Hargrave thirteen million dollars a year. They 775 00:37:09,480 --> 00:37:11,239 Speaker 1: just they just weren't in a situation where they can 776 00:37:11,280 --> 00:37:13,240 Speaker 1: do that. Not when you've got a franchise quarterback who's 777 00:37:13,280 --> 00:37:16,520 Speaker 1: taken your cap well, and they're they were also paying 778 00:37:16,560 --> 00:37:18,239 Speaker 1: Heyward and to it as well. I mean, all of 779 00:37:18,280 --> 00:37:20,879 Speaker 1: a sudden, you're in the offensive line when we're making 780 00:37:20,880 --> 00:37:23,600 Speaker 1: a lot of money. So you know, you can older 781 00:37:23,680 --> 00:37:26,400 Speaker 1: established their line. Those guys are all worth their contracts. 782 00:37:26,480 --> 00:37:28,960 Speaker 1: But you know, if your quarterbacks on a rookie deal, 783 00:37:29,040 --> 00:37:31,360 Speaker 1: to your point, West, you're not gonna lose anybody. You 784 00:37:31,360 --> 00:37:34,719 Speaker 1: don't want to exactly huge, exactly if you want to spend, 785 00:37:35,200 --> 00:37:37,680 Speaker 1: if we'll see if the Bengals want to spend. I'm 786 00:37:37,680 --> 00:37:40,000 Speaker 1: talking about Steelers, I know, but I know everybody's talking 787 00:37:40,000 --> 00:37:42,320 Speaker 1: about the Bengals and how much cap space they have 788 00:37:42,560 --> 00:37:47,680 Speaker 1: and and all that stuff. They have typically not pay. 789 00:37:48,120 --> 00:37:51,759 Speaker 1: That's two offseasons they build a defense un characteristically, what 790 00:37:51,800 --> 00:37:53,839 Speaker 1: are they gonna keep going out? And are they gonna 791 00:37:53,880 --> 00:37:57,920 Speaker 1: go at Toront Armstead? But they don't mean yeah, So 792 00:37:58,080 --> 00:38:00,680 Speaker 1: it's it's it's gonna be interesting. And then you know, 793 00:38:02,040 --> 00:38:04,520 Speaker 1: if you think about it, Burrow just finished year two. 794 00:38:05,800 --> 00:38:07,560 Speaker 1: The fifth year comes up pretty quick. It comes up 795 00:38:07,640 --> 00:38:11,160 Speaker 1: quicker than you think. And now with some of these 796 00:38:11,239 --> 00:38:15,200 Speaker 1: these contracts, you know, the the Mahomes contract, the Alan contract, 797 00:38:15,480 --> 00:38:18,640 Speaker 1: these guys are signing these after year four. See like 798 00:38:18,680 --> 00:38:20,080 Speaker 1: does it give you a lot of as much time 799 00:38:20,120 --> 00:38:22,200 Speaker 1: as what you what you know you should have had 800 00:38:22,239 --> 00:38:23,880 Speaker 1: where they were cheap? Like I talked about Jordan's love 801 00:38:23,920 --> 00:38:26,719 Speaker 1: a lot, like okay, he's halfway through his rookie deal. 802 00:38:26,800 --> 00:38:29,120 Speaker 1: When you don't know anything picked them, you know, like 803 00:38:29,480 --> 00:38:31,600 Speaker 1: is he the next Mahomes personally, I don't think so, 804 00:38:31,840 --> 00:38:33,800 Speaker 1: but that's who he was compared to coming out of 805 00:38:33,840 --> 00:38:36,360 Speaker 1: what Southern Utah or whatever. I didn't never saw that, 806 00:38:36,520 --> 00:38:38,760 Speaker 1: but he could be sitting there as a sleeping giant. 807 00:38:39,200 --> 00:38:41,480 Speaker 1: But before you know it, you pick up a fifth 808 00:38:41,560 --> 00:38:44,799 Speaker 1: year option or not. If Rogers goes back there, you're 809 00:38:44,800 --> 00:38:46,880 Speaker 1: gonna trade that guy for a fourth round pick or 810 00:38:46,880 --> 00:38:48,560 Speaker 1: a third round pick, or you're just gonna eat him 811 00:38:48,560 --> 00:38:50,120 Speaker 1: and you're not gonna know anything about him. Yeah, and 812 00:38:50,160 --> 00:38:53,160 Speaker 1: it comes a situation where it's, you hate to say, 813 00:38:53,200 --> 00:38:55,560 Speaker 1: a wasted first round draft pick in a way, but 814 00:38:55,840 --> 00:38:57,920 Speaker 1: in a way it was, especially when you consider how 815 00:38:57,960 --> 00:39:00,080 Speaker 1: good they've been the last couple of they want they 816 00:39:00,080 --> 00:39:03,840 Speaker 1: could have added another guy that could actually know. But 817 00:39:04,360 --> 00:39:06,680 Speaker 1: you know, it's that catch twenty two that you play 818 00:39:06,760 --> 00:39:09,480 Speaker 1: when you have when you were drafting quarterbacks and you 819 00:39:09,920 --> 00:39:11,759 Speaker 1: I can remember talking to Tommy Maddox about that, and 820 00:39:11,800 --> 00:39:14,319 Speaker 1: if you remember Tommy Maddox was drafted, I believe when 821 00:39:14,400 --> 00:39:18,200 Speaker 1: John Elway was thirty two years old and people thought 822 00:39:18,239 --> 00:39:20,359 Speaker 1: always was done. People thought Elway was near the end. 823 00:39:20,640 --> 00:39:23,319 Speaker 1: And if people forget Rogers was not playing this well, 824 00:39:23,520 --> 00:39:25,960 Speaker 1: the day they drafted Love he was coming off to 825 00:39:27,280 --> 00:39:29,600 Speaker 1: social years, right, not empty and went back to back 826 00:39:29,680 --> 00:39:32,600 Speaker 1: m vps. You know they did since then, so maybe 827 00:39:32,640 --> 00:39:34,960 Speaker 1: the pick was worth it. He was a quarterback back 828 00:39:35,000 --> 00:39:37,520 Speaker 1: to back MVP. Yeah, you know, and and think about 829 00:39:37,560 --> 00:39:39,359 Speaker 1: I know, people's well, the Steelers don't have a plan 830 00:39:39,440 --> 00:39:42,800 Speaker 1: in place for Ben Roethlisberger. It's really tough to do it, 831 00:39:43,000 --> 00:39:44,920 Speaker 1: is it is? You know, even if if you look 832 00:39:44,960 --> 00:39:48,200 Speaker 1: at the the what happened with Rogers when they drafted 833 00:39:48,280 --> 00:39:50,000 Speaker 1: him in Green Bay. He sat on the bench for 834 00:39:50,040 --> 00:39:52,239 Speaker 1: a couple of years. Oh yeah, I mean there's so 835 00:39:52,320 --> 00:39:55,680 Speaker 1: many instances in history where the Niners trade Montana because 836 00:39:55,760 --> 00:39:57,759 Speaker 1: Young sitting there, and you know, like Evan, there's a 837 00:39:57,840 --> 00:39:59,759 Speaker 1: great problem to have. Of course, the Steelers a long 838 00:39:59,800 --> 00:40:05,640 Speaker 1: way and Young at the bowman. But yeah, just a quarterback, right. 839 00:40:06,520 --> 00:40:09,040 Speaker 1: I do always find that funny to dale because those 840 00:40:09,080 --> 00:40:12,960 Speaker 1: same let's let's go hypothetical, right, Matt Jones ends up sliding, 841 00:40:13,160 --> 00:40:15,640 Speaker 1: doesn't go to the Patriots at fifteen last year, and 842 00:40:15,719 --> 00:40:19,040 Speaker 1: he's there in the Steelers take. Everyone would be complaining, oh, 843 00:40:19,160 --> 00:40:21,600 Speaker 1: you're you're just wasting rookie years. You got him sitting there, 844 00:40:21,640 --> 00:40:23,799 Speaker 1: you don't know what he is but then time time 845 00:40:23,840 --> 00:40:26,680 Speaker 1: to put the kids seven, All of a sudden, time 846 00:40:26,719 --> 00:40:29,960 Speaker 1: to put the kid. But you when you like that 847 00:40:30,080 --> 00:40:33,360 Speaker 1: whole idea of having a succession plan at quarterback, you 848 00:40:34,440 --> 00:40:36,080 Speaker 1: get the you get the Jordan love thing where all 849 00:40:36,080 --> 00:40:39,359 Speaker 1: of a sudden you're you're wasting those those salary cap 850 00:40:39,520 --> 00:40:40,840 Speaker 1: years and you still don't know what you got. I 851 00:40:40,920 --> 00:40:45,160 Speaker 1: said it before. They're like the Highlander. There's only one 852 00:40:45,320 --> 00:40:48,719 Speaker 1: starting quarterback on your roster, you know, so everybody else 853 00:40:48,800 --> 00:40:51,600 Speaker 1: is kind of sitting there waiting. You know, Mason Rudolphs 854 00:40:51,600 --> 00:40:56,080 Speaker 1: sat there watching Ben Roethlisberger play and picking up the 855 00:40:56,160 --> 00:41:00,480 Speaker 1: scraps over you know, he started ten career games. Um, 856 00:41:00,640 --> 00:41:03,560 Speaker 1: you know, that's just the reality of the situation. But 857 00:41:03,640 --> 00:41:05,760 Speaker 1: if your Dodgers waited a while until he saw the field. 858 00:41:05,800 --> 00:41:07,600 Speaker 1: But if you don't have that guy in place, then 859 00:41:07,640 --> 00:41:09,400 Speaker 1: people complain you don't have the guy in place. But 860 00:41:09,480 --> 00:41:11,359 Speaker 1: if then, then if he used the first round draft 861 00:41:11,400 --> 00:41:14,560 Speaker 1: pick on the guy, you use the first round draft pick, 862 00:41:14,600 --> 00:41:16,120 Speaker 1: he's not playing. We would have won every game this 863 00:41:16,200 --> 00:41:17,640 Speaker 1: year if you would have drafted that guy. If you 864 00:41:17,719 --> 00:41:19,840 Speaker 1: drafted a running back, we'd be screaming. You should have 865 00:41:20,000 --> 00:41:22,400 Speaker 1: nausey Harris, but instead we got mac Jones sitting on 866 00:41:22,480 --> 00:41:26,840 Speaker 1: the bed, which so I think Mason rudolso a great quarterback. No, 867 00:41:27,239 --> 00:41:29,640 Speaker 1: but that's the value of him is at least there's 868 00:41:29,680 --> 00:41:33,279 Speaker 1: something there. Now you didn't roster. I think he's just 869 00:41:33,400 --> 00:41:35,279 Speaker 1: a really good backup. We say this all the time. 870 00:41:35,400 --> 00:41:38,040 Speaker 1: If you go thirty two NFL teams, you double that 871 00:41:38,080 --> 00:41:40,759 Speaker 1: at least for QB one and QB two. Quick math 872 00:41:40,880 --> 00:41:43,440 Speaker 1: sixty four, Mason Rudolph is one of the best sixty 873 00:41:43,480 --> 00:41:45,840 Speaker 1: four quarterbacks in the world, without question, probably one of 874 00:41:45,880 --> 00:41:49,680 Speaker 1: the best terbacks. And there's a fine line there between 875 00:41:49,760 --> 00:41:52,400 Speaker 1: not thinking he's the guy and you know, oh, he 876 00:41:52,480 --> 00:41:54,200 Speaker 1: doesn't deserve to be on the roster. Why are we 877 00:41:54,239 --> 00:41:56,879 Speaker 1: even wasting? Have to realize there's value there and even 878 00:41:57,760 --> 00:42:00,200 Speaker 1: if he like I expect that he has a long 879 00:42:00,320 --> 00:42:02,719 Speaker 1: career as a backup quarterback. And it's a really good one. 880 00:42:03,080 --> 00:42:05,160 Speaker 1: That's worth third round pick. Yes, I mean that was 881 00:42:05,239 --> 00:42:08,359 Speaker 1: worth the pick. I mean he doesn't give him him 882 00:42:08,400 --> 00:42:10,640 Speaker 1: a second contract, right right, you know that that's a 883 00:42:10,840 --> 00:42:14,200 Speaker 1: that's a good that's a well used draft pick. Yeah, 884 00:42:14,840 --> 00:42:17,160 Speaker 1: you know it just is Landry Jones was a good pick. 885 00:42:17,680 --> 00:42:19,520 Speaker 1: I mean he lasted a long time as a mid 886 00:42:19,640 --> 00:42:23,799 Speaker 1: round guy. You know. Yeah, and again you need you're 887 00:42:23,840 --> 00:42:26,960 Speaker 1: not going to have a top twenty quarterback. Is your 888 00:42:27,000 --> 00:42:29,480 Speaker 1: back up? Most times it's just not realistic. No, it 889 00:42:29,640 --> 00:42:31,680 Speaker 1: just isn't. But we'll see what happened. I mean, this 890 00:42:31,800 --> 00:42:35,000 Speaker 1: is this. I am so excited for this offseason, better 891 00:42:35,040 --> 00:42:37,080 Speaker 1: than ever. I mean it's always I actually think the 892 00:42:37,120 --> 00:42:39,040 Speaker 1: offseason is better than the season sometimes, but that's the 893 00:42:39,080 --> 00:42:41,200 Speaker 1: way I'm wired. But this season is gonna be I'm not. 894 00:42:41,360 --> 00:42:44,279 Speaker 1: Typically when you cover the steeling, uh you know those 895 00:42:44,360 --> 00:42:46,759 Speaker 1: first the first couple of weeks of free agency or 896 00:42:46,800 --> 00:42:50,439 Speaker 1: typically okay, who's leaving today? Um, you know, check check 897 00:42:50,520 --> 00:42:52,400 Speaker 1: the tickers and see who's signing where and that kind 898 00:42:52,400 --> 00:42:55,720 Speaker 1: of stuff. This year, I expect him to be active 899 00:42:55,760 --> 00:42:58,040 Speaker 1: in free agency. Not to the point where they're going 900 00:42:58,080 --> 00:43:00,719 Speaker 1: out and you know, making the big splash sign you know, 901 00:43:01,640 --> 00:43:04,040 Speaker 1: on the opening day of free agency, but I expect 902 00:43:04,120 --> 00:43:07,000 Speaker 1: them in that first week to have a couple of 903 00:43:07,080 --> 00:43:10,520 Speaker 1: guys signed. Absolutely for that reason. I think it's intriguing 904 00:43:10,600 --> 00:43:12,960 Speaker 1: obviously because you're you're looking for your new quarterback for 905 00:43:13,000 --> 00:43:15,359 Speaker 1: the first time in eighteen years, and when you consider too, 906 00:43:15,760 --> 00:43:17,759 Speaker 1: Kevin Colbert, who just sat down with us. He's been 907 00:43:17,800 --> 00:43:20,520 Speaker 1: with the organization for decades, you know, other than your owner. 908 00:43:21,280 --> 00:43:24,120 Speaker 1: It feels like you've got three power players in every 909 00:43:24,200 --> 00:43:27,040 Speaker 1: organization GM head coach, quarterback. I mean, you haven't had 910 00:43:27,080 --> 00:43:29,160 Speaker 1: to replace any of those since two thousand and seven 911 00:43:29,200 --> 00:43:31,000 Speaker 1: when Bill Cower retired. Now you got to replace two 912 00:43:31,040 --> 00:43:33,640 Speaker 1: of the three in the same offseason. That's that's intriguing. 913 00:43:33,760 --> 00:43:36,400 Speaker 1: That's interesting, and you have resources to do it. Absolutely, 914 00:43:36,480 --> 00:43:39,239 Speaker 1: that's fun about it too. That's that's the interesting part 915 00:43:39,280 --> 00:43:42,440 Speaker 1: of it all. And seeing which direction you guys get 916 00:43:42,480 --> 00:43:44,480 Speaker 1: the same questions I do. What are the Steelers going 917 00:43:44,520 --> 00:43:47,480 Speaker 1: to do a quarterback? I have no idea. I don't 918 00:43:47,520 --> 00:43:50,120 Speaker 1: know that they have. They have Tom Brady is gonna 919 00:43:50,120 --> 00:43:54,960 Speaker 1: come out of retirement. They don't necessarily know which direction 920 00:43:55,000 --> 00:43:57,399 Speaker 1: they're going to go until the options are presented to them, 921 00:43:57,960 --> 00:44:01,440 Speaker 1: until they's the price, until he's start talking to agents 922 00:44:01,440 --> 00:44:03,960 Speaker 1: about the prisent free agency, until they see what quarterbacks 923 00:44:04,040 --> 00:44:06,359 Speaker 1: are you know, available, As the draft plays get away, 924 00:44:06,400 --> 00:44:08,319 Speaker 1: the cost you get away, the draft picks you get away, 925 00:44:08,400 --> 00:44:10,080 Speaker 1: you know, all of it. I mean, I don't think 926 00:44:10,160 --> 00:44:12,080 Speaker 1: this is gonna be the way it plays out. But 927 00:44:12,680 --> 00:44:14,920 Speaker 1: what if Jordan's love only costs your third round pick 928 00:44:14,960 --> 00:44:17,240 Speaker 1: and they love them coming out of school? You know, Okay, 929 00:44:17,400 --> 00:44:19,839 Speaker 1: someone someone's gonna get him at a discount. I don't 930 00:44:19,840 --> 00:44:22,879 Speaker 1: particularly love Jordan's Love, but if I'm the Falcons, I'll 931 00:44:22,880 --> 00:44:24,600 Speaker 1: get your third round pick for Jordan's Love and let 932 00:44:24,640 --> 00:44:26,359 Speaker 1: him sit, you know, and then you're sitting another year 933 00:44:26,360 --> 00:44:28,840 Speaker 1: of the guy. But you know, there's there's other options 934 00:44:28,880 --> 00:44:33,239 Speaker 1: we haven't even brought up. Matt Ryan could go, or 935 00:44:33,360 --> 00:44:38,680 Speaker 1: Cousins or a sudden what we were talking about that crop. 936 00:44:38,840 --> 00:44:40,839 Speaker 1: That's the one thing to me that I don't think 937 00:44:41,000 --> 00:44:43,959 Speaker 1: is going to happen, that Jimmy Cousins car. Yeah, there's 938 00:44:44,080 --> 00:44:47,400 Speaker 1: trades because you're giving up draft capital and cap space 939 00:44:48,120 --> 00:44:51,080 Speaker 1: as opposed to just giving up either draft capital or 940 00:44:51,200 --> 00:44:53,600 Speaker 1: cap space. Because I'm giving up both is not not 941 00:44:53,719 --> 00:44:55,879 Speaker 1: attractive to me. And I think Jimmy costs you two. 942 00:44:56,120 --> 00:44:58,719 Speaker 1: I think Cousins cost you a one. Car costs you 943 00:44:58,840 --> 00:45:03,879 Speaker 1: two ones. Yeah, and you're paying them and you're paying 944 00:45:03,920 --> 00:45:07,680 Speaker 1: that big contract. Yeah, that's I'll give you one resource 945 00:45:07,760 --> 00:45:09,439 Speaker 1: or the other. I'll sell out with my draft picks, 946 00:45:09,560 --> 00:45:11,279 Speaker 1: or I'll give you a you know, cap space but 947 00:45:11,360 --> 00:45:13,520 Speaker 1: I don't know both unless your name is Aaron Rodgers 948 00:45:13,560 --> 00:45:15,600 Speaker 1: or Russell Wilson or you know, with unless you're one 949 00:45:15,600 --> 00:45:17,520 Speaker 1: of the top ten quarterbacks in the league and we 950 00:45:17,560 --> 00:45:19,120 Speaker 1: can win this thing next year, you know, win the 951 00:45:19,160 --> 00:45:21,239 Speaker 1: whole thing. You know, that's the difference between trading for 952 00:45:21,400 --> 00:45:25,400 Speaker 1: like Matthew, the Matthew Stafford deal, as opposed to trading 953 00:45:25,480 --> 00:45:27,960 Speaker 1: for whoever, you know, anybody you know, but you don't 954 00:45:27,960 --> 00:45:30,080 Speaker 1: want to be for Ryan Tanney Hill. You know, what 955 00:45:30,239 --> 00:45:32,600 Speaker 1: you don't want to be is the Colts or Panthers, 956 00:45:32,680 --> 00:45:34,920 Speaker 1: where I gave him a first and third for Wentz 957 00:45:35,160 --> 00:45:36,960 Speaker 1: and a big cap space. I gave up a two 958 00:45:37,000 --> 00:45:38,960 Speaker 1: and a four for Donald and he's cost to be 959 00:45:39,000 --> 00:45:40,840 Speaker 1: twenty million on the fifth year option. Those are the 960 00:45:41,360 --> 00:45:43,840 Speaker 1: and there they weren't sure things. People talked about the 961 00:45:43,840 --> 00:45:45,880 Speaker 1: Stafford deal. Oh look, they traded there and they and 962 00:45:45,960 --> 00:45:48,640 Speaker 1: they you know, they want a super Bowl. Well these 963 00:45:48,680 --> 00:45:51,080 Speaker 1: happened too, and it didn't win the Super Bowl, and 964 00:45:51,800 --> 00:45:54,400 Speaker 1: now they're in a much worse situation without resources to 965 00:45:54,440 --> 00:45:56,239 Speaker 1: get the next guy. You know, you don't want to 966 00:45:56,239 --> 00:45:58,919 Speaker 1: cripple yourself if you miss, because a lot of people miss. Yeah, 967 00:45:59,080 --> 00:46:00,839 Speaker 1: I mean, it's a. It's a position where there are 968 00:46:01,360 --> 00:46:05,359 Speaker 1: probably more mrs than any other on first round picks. Yeah, 969 00:46:06,000 --> 00:46:08,040 Speaker 1: so that's just the reality of it. Uh. I think 970 00:46:08,080 --> 00:46:10,279 Speaker 1: I know your answer super quick. I don't think they're 971 00:46:10,280 --> 00:46:12,360 Speaker 1: gonna double dip though, Like I don't think it'll be 972 00:46:13,040 --> 00:46:15,360 Speaker 1: Jimmy in the first round pick or Bridgewater in the 973 00:46:15,360 --> 00:46:16,799 Speaker 1: first round. Will be one or the other. I think 974 00:46:16,840 --> 00:46:19,799 Speaker 1: it'll be one edition, you know, and then a camp 975 00:46:19,880 --> 00:46:23,000 Speaker 1: arm Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, all right, all right, but 976 00:46:23,120 --> 00:46:24,879 Speaker 1: yeah it's one. It's one or the other, it's not both. 977 00:46:24,960 --> 00:46:27,120 Speaker 1: I don't think they'll bring in two guys. Yeah. Uh, 978 00:46:27,200 --> 00:46:29,439 Speaker 1: we're gonna take a break. He is Matt Williamson. He's 979 00:46:29,480 --> 00:46:31,840 Speaker 1: Wesley Uhler. I am Dale Lolly. You're listening to the 980 00:46:31,920 --> 00:46:34,919 Speaker 1: Drive here on Steelers Nation Radio and ESPN nine seven. 981 00:46:35,040 --> 00:46:37,319 Speaker 1: This is not well, I guess this is our drive time. 982 00:46:37,360 --> 00:46:40,279 Speaker 1: This is when, yeah, we are that you can call 983 00:46:40,320 --> 00:46:42,839 Speaker 1: it the Drive with some special guests. Special somebody's listening 984 00:46:42,880 --> 00:46:46,000 Speaker 1: and driving right now. I would assume four o'clock in 985 00:46:46,040 --> 00:46:49,240 Speaker 1: the afternoon, but we are live from the NFL Scouting 986 00:46:49,320 --> 00:46:52,800 Speaker 1: Combine here in Indianapolis. We're gonna be here until five o'clock, 987 00:46:52,840 --> 00:46:55,520 Speaker 1: so keep your dial tuned right here. We'll get another 988 00:46:55,560 --> 00:46:57,520 Speaker 1: hour to go. The Jaguars in mind if I steal 989 00:46:57,560 --> 00:47:01,759 Speaker 1: their hooter bag or that chick. The things that go 990 00:47:01,880 --> 00:47:05,800 Speaker 1: through something something, something smells good. There's some there's some 991 00:47:05,840 --> 00:47:08,000 Speaker 1: food available somewhere. But we're gonna take a break. We'll 992 00:47:08,000 --> 00:47:09,560 Speaker 1: be back with more right after this