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Speaker 1: Hey, welcome in, Doug God leave here and you are

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Speaker 1: listening to All Ball, All Basketball all the time. Thanks

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Speaker 1: so much for for downloading, subscribing, rating and UH and

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Speaker 1: being part of All Ball Nation. Got a great guest

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Speaker 1: for you, Tim Miles, who's the former head coach in

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Speaker 1: Nebraska for that Colorado State before that North Dakota State.

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Speaker 1: I'll go through kind of some of his coaching history,

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Speaker 1: some interesting thoughts. He's a very funny, loquacious guy who

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Speaker 1: you'll see on Fox TV calling college basketball games this year.

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Speaker 1: Just called his first game. Uh, Xavier's first win against

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Speaker 1: was a Jacksonville. Yeah. Anyway, Tim Miles will be my

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Speaker 1: guest in moments here on the All Ball Podcast. Let

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Speaker 1: me give you a couple of takes college, give you

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Speaker 1: a couple of takes pro, and then we'll get to

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Speaker 1: Tim Miles. First with college the Champions Classic, it was

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Speaker 1: in fact a classic. It's what teams, even though they've

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Speaker 1: allowed teams to play more basketball before their first game,

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Speaker 1: the idea of playing an A C C game, or

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Speaker 1: of playing this type of challenge matchup in November five, Like,

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Speaker 1: that's what you get when it's too early, right, It's

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Speaker 1: like when you've you ever gotten cookie dough? Who doesn't like?

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Speaker 1: Does anyone in the world not like cookie dough? What

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Speaker 1: did you get? Cookie dough? No matter how good they look,

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Speaker 1: if they're not done that like, you can cook it

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Speaker 1: a little too much. I actually don't mind burnt cookies.

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Speaker 1: Part of it was my mom burned cookies when I

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Speaker 1: But you dip it in milk and it still tastes good. Undercooked,

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Speaker 1: it just doesn't work. That's what those teams were. That's

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Speaker 1: what we had. Such a litany of of turnovers. So

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Speaker 1: you do have to take it with a grain of salt,

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Speaker 1: not just the results but also the play. But there

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Speaker 1: are some takeaways from it. Let me get to Duke Kansas,

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Speaker 1: Michigan State in Kentucky. Let's let's start with Kansas. Um,

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Speaker 1: you're gonna look at the stats. You're gonna say, oh,

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Speaker 1: chio Bogi played well. He was not very good in

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Speaker 1: the second half and uh several turnovers. He had five

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Speaker 1: turnovers and co bad decisions in transition. Um, some misshots

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Speaker 1: around the basket. Remember this A kid who was gonna

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Speaker 1: like Isaiah Moss maybe not won't take some of his minutes.

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Speaker 1: We'll take some of them. Um. And they not having

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Speaker 1: Moss didn't allow them to go small last night. And

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Speaker 1: I think, you know, Sylvia Desuza looked like a guy

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Speaker 1: who hadn't played in the year. I do think that

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Speaker 1: at the by the end of the year, de Silva

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Speaker 1: My concern for Kansas is do they have the shooting

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Speaker 1: and get to the asking. Dotson is not a great shooter,

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Speaker 1: nor is he going to be a great shooter this year.

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Speaker 1: Obaji can make shots. He made two threes last night,

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Speaker 1: but they need more shooting, especially with ze Book being

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Speaker 1: early in his freshman year. But this just was a

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Speaker 1: You have good depth. That's a good top ten basketball team.

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Speaker 1: Winston would just make a play and break your break

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Speaker 1: shall we. I thought Kentucky played exceptionally hard on defense.

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Speaker 1: But it was their connectivity defensively which was really really impressive.

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Speaker 1: Shouldn't be surprising considering how good defender Ashton Higgins is. Now.

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Speaker 1: Would I be concerned about their shooting? Maybe? Yeah, I mean,

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Speaker 1: do I think Tyrese Maxie is gonna shoot mid forties

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Speaker 1: develop as a score because Higgins is not really a scorer,

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Speaker 1: everything to Anthony Davis. But they're really long, they're really athletic.

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Speaker 1: They do have some older pieces and I don't have't

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Speaker 1: a hospital, Doug. Now, when you come in from the

425
00:23:09,359 --> 00:23:12,320
Speaker 1: west on Dolan, it says population three hundred and six

426
00:23:12,840 --> 00:23:14,560
Speaker 1: and when you come in from the east it says

427
00:23:14,600 --> 00:23:20,520
Speaker 1: population two, so there's nine missing people. You know. Uh,

428
00:23:20,800 --> 00:23:23,280
Speaker 1: just a little town. Grew up there, lived in the

429
00:23:23,320 --> 00:23:27,880
Speaker 1: same hospital eighteen years, youngest of five. Uh. Just always

430
00:23:27,920 --> 00:23:31,720
Speaker 1: loved watching, you know, playing basketball, playing all sports. But

431
00:23:32,520 --> 00:23:37,440
Speaker 1: just fell in love with um Al McGuire, Dick Edinburgh,

432
00:23:37,880 --> 00:23:41,800
Speaker 1: even Billy Packer, all those guys were just that, you know,

433
00:23:42,040 --> 00:23:44,200
Speaker 1: you felt like Al McGuire was always teaching you something

434
00:23:44,200 --> 00:23:47,320
Speaker 1: when you were listening to him. And and I'm fifty

435
00:23:47,320 --> 00:23:49,920
Speaker 1: three years old, and so we didn't have that many

436
00:23:49,920 --> 00:23:51,920
Speaker 1: college teams. I was. It wasn't gonna tell I was

437
00:23:51,960 --> 00:23:55,480
Speaker 1: a sophomore in high school that we got thirteen, um,

438
00:23:56,000 --> 00:24:00,040
Speaker 1: thirteen channels of cable, which included the SPN and and

439
00:24:00,280 --> 00:24:02,200
Speaker 1: w g N, so we could catch some games there

440
00:24:02,240 --> 00:24:05,679
Speaker 1: and TVs W TVs actually, um, so we could see

441
00:24:05,960 --> 00:24:08,639
Speaker 1: some you know, pro games in Atlanta, you know, some

442
00:24:08,720 --> 00:24:11,760
Speaker 1: bulls games here and there. And then you know, uh,

443
00:24:12,119 --> 00:24:15,040
Speaker 1: ESPN wasn't showing games every night, so you don't have

444
00:24:15,200 --> 00:24:19,720
Speaker 1: the consumption that you um that you had at one time.

445
00:24:20,359 --> 00:24:23,800
Speaker 1: And what what I what I look for is just

446
00:24:24,040 --> 00:24:25,840
Speaker 1: you know, when you grow up in a small town,

447
00:24:26,320 --> 00:24:30,080
Speaker 1: what's great is your mom would would kiss you on

448
00:24:30,160 --> 00:24:33,320
Speaker 1: the cheek in the morning the eight o'clock he goes,

449
00:24:33,359 --> 00:24:36,040
Speaker 1: you know, you've got ball practice at nine. I'll see

450
00:24:36,080 --> 00:24:39,320
Speaker 1: you home for dinner at six. And you could go

451
00:24:39,359 --> 00:24:43,199
Speaker 1: to uh, you could go to an account. Um, you

452
00:24:43,200 --> 00:24:46,000
Speaker 1: could go to an account at the at the we

453
00:24:46,080 --> 00:24:48,920
Speaker 1: own a weekly newspaper, so you go to a little account. Uh,

454
00:24:49,000 --> 00:24:51,960
Speaker 1: you go to the cafe, order a side of French

455
00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:55,680
Speaker 1: fries for lunch, which is the one I liked, uh,

456
00:24:55,720 --> 00:24:57,720
Speaker 1: and then just charge it. Just charge it. You go

457
00:24:57,760 --> 00:24:59,480
Speaker 1: to the grocery store and get some lunch and meat

458
00:24:59,520 --> 00:25:02,240
Speaker 1: and have a sandwich, and just charge it because you

459
00:25:02,280 --> 00:25:05,320
Speaker 1: know there's all the payment and kind advertising for credit.

460
00:25:06,119 --> 00:25:08,679
Speaker 1: So you know, I was so independent at such a

461
00:25:08,760 --> 00:25:11,720
Speaker 1: young age, being the youngest, being in a small town,

462
00:25:12,359 --> 00:25:15,080
Speaker 1: and uh that you just you know, you figured, you

463
00:25:15,119 --> 00:25:16,480
Speaker 1: knew when you got in trouble, and you got in

464
00:25:16,480 --> 00:25:18,520
Speaker 1: trouble real good. You know how to stay out of trouble.

465
00:25:18,760 --> 00:25:21,879
Speaker 1: You know how to navigate your way around certain issues

466
00:25:21,880 --> 00:25:25,120
Speaker 1: of situations. But it's just sad anymore that young kids

467
00:25:25,119 --> 00:25:26,639
Speaker 1: don't get to grow up with that kind of freedom.

468
00:25:26,680 --> 00:25:29,600
Speaker 1: It's a different society, and it felt a lot safer

469
00:25:29,640 --> 00:25:32,880
Speaker 1: back in the you know, early seventies, mid seventies than

470
00:25:32,960 --> 00:25:34,840
Speaker 1: that it does now. And I know there's bad things

471
00:25:34,840 --> 00:25:37,239
Speaker 1: going on then, but but now we won't let our

472
00:25:37,280 --> 00:25:40,920
Speaker 1: kids cross the street without you know, ushering him through there.

473
00:25:41,640 --> 00:25:46,639
Speaker 1: What was Mayville State like? Yeah, maybe maybe it was

474
00:25:46,680 --> 00:25:49,000
Speaker 1: such a great place. The people they were two and

475
00:25:49,080 --> 00:25:51,600
Speaker 1: twenty two and two and twenty two the year before

476
00:25:51,640 --> 00:25:55,960
Speaker 1: I got there, and so coming in and you know,

477
00:25:56,040 --> 00:25:59,199
Speaker 1: we we didn't what Fred Hoiberg just had brought her

478
00:25:59,240 --> 00:26:03,520
Speaker 1: a whole bunch of answers, Division two transfers it Juco transfers,

479
00:26:03,560 --> 00:26:07,040
Speaker 1: all the likes like that. And uh, we had less

480
00:26:07,040 --> 00:26:10,119
Speaker 1: than three scholarships. And we had an old gym that

481
00:26:10,440 --> 00:26:12,720
Speaker 1: once we painted the gym and I added new lights,

482
00:26:13,680 --> 00:26:17,560
Speaker 1: we got one more lighting, so twice as bright. The

483
00:26:17,640 --> 00:26:21,200
Speaker 1: gym was twice as bright, you know, that same year.

484
00:26:21,240 --> 00:26:23,800
Speaker 1: And I just the way you watch practice and then

485
00:26:23,840 --> 00:26:26,080
Speaker 1: after you painted it and put the new lights in

486
00:26:26,200 --> 00:26:28,720
Speaker 1: at Christmas and you watched practice, it was just a

487
00:26:28,720 --> 00:26:31,440
Speaker 1: whole new environment. So it's just I mean, when you're

488
00:26:31,480 --> 00:26:34,919
Speaker 1: grateful for paint job in the lights, um, you know,

489
00:26:35,000 --> 00:26:37,960
Speaker 1: I think you're taught a different way. Uh. My second

490
00:26:38,040 --> 00:26:41,000
Speaker 1: year is able to hire Craig Smith as an assistant

491
00:26:41,000 --> 00:26:44,560
Speaker 1: coach for a thousand dollars um and brought Craig into

492
00:26:44,600 --> 00:26:47,000
Speaker 1: the game the head coach at Utah State now and

493
00:26:47,040 --> 00:26:48,919
Speaker 1: he and I hit it off well. We were together

494
00:26:49,119 --> 00:26:52,800
Speaker 1: eleven years. Uh. He was my assistant at four different jobs.

495
00:26:53,240 --> 00:26:55,040
Speaker 1: And how did you how did you how did you.

496
00:26:55,119 --> 00:26:57,199
Speaker 1: How did you meet him? Take me back to how

497
00:26:57,240 --> 00:27:00,399
Speaker 1: you actually met because I got Craig next week. I

498
00:27:00,400 --> 00:27:02,840
Speaker 1: couldn't get rid of it. But how did you meet him?

499
00:27:03,840 --> 00:27:06,760
Speaker 1: How did you actually meet him? He was a student.

500
00:27:07,080 --> 00:27:10,040
Speaker 1: He was a student in North Dakota. Uh, and I

501
00:27:10,119 --> 00:27:12,800
Speaker 1: was at Mayville, about thirty five miles south. And he

502
00:27:12,840 --> 00:27:17,680
Speaker 1: had approached the University of North Dakota staff about UM

503
00:27:17,800 --> 00:27:20,399
Speaker 1: about being a graduate assistant because he wanted to coach.

504
00:27:21,080 --> 00:27:24,160
Speaker 1: And he, uh, you know, it was just high school player,

505
00:27:24,200 --> 00:27:28,520
Speaker 1: didn't play college basketball, but uh, but wanted to coach,

506
00:27:28,920 --> 00:27:31,040
Speaker 1: and they didn't have anything for me, so they called me.

507
00:27:31,200 --> 00:27:34,200
Speaker 1: One of the assistants called me and said, hey, Todd

508
00:27:34,240 --> 00:27:36,880
Speaker 1: Corying was a graduate assistant who I eventually hired at

509
00:27:36,920 --> 00:27:39,600
Speaker 1: my next job. UM, and he said, hey, this young

510
00:27:39,640 --> 00:27:41,920
Speaker 1: guy is good. I think he's high energy. I think

511
00:27:41,920 --> 00:27:44,640
Speaker 1: you guys had hit it off really well. Take a look.

512
00:27:44,680 --> 00:27:47,720
Speaker 1: And then Craig, in the meantime we met. We had

513
00:27:47,800 --> 00:27:50,000
Speaker 1: lunch together, and then I just didn't think I could

514
00:27:50,000 --> 00:27:51,520
Speaker 1: pull it off. So I was calling him to tell

515
00:27:51,600 --> 00:27:53,840
Speaker 1: him I had no job for him, and he goes coach.

516
00:27:53,880 --> 00:27:56,359
Speaker 1: Were neighbors already moved down here, my wife's got a job,

517
00:27:57,760 --> 00:28:00,480
Speaker 1: so he just like forced himself. I was, you know,

518
00:28:00,520 --> 00:28:03,280
Speaker 1: you forced himself on me. It was awesome and uh

519
00:28:03,320 --> 00:28:05,720
Speaker 1: and we got along great and I had a chance

520
00:28:05,720 --> 00:28:08,840
Speaker 1: to work together then at Nebraska, Colorado State, and of

521
00:28:08,840 --> 00:28:12,000
Speaker 1: course North Dakota State. Way before all that, what about

522
00:28:12,000 --> 00:28:15,400
Speaker 1: Southwest Minnesota State? Because you left Mayville for Southwest Minnesota State,

523
00:28:15,440 --> 00:28:17,439
Speaker 1: So what do your salary go from at Mayville to

524
00:28:17,520 --> 00:28:21,959
Speaker 1: Southwest Minnesota State? I made twenty seven thousand dollars at Mayville,

525
00:28:22,080 --> 00:28:26,119
Speaker 1: plus a little bit for camps, and then I made um,

526
00:28:26,160 --> 00:28:29,040
Speaker 1: I think forty two. I think I think I was

527
00:28:29,080 --> 00:28:32,200
Speaker 1: a Division one coach. For my third year in North

528
00:28:32,240 --> 00:28:33,680
Speaker 1: Dakota State, I might have made it. I think I

529
00:28:33,720 --> 00:28:35,960
Speaker 1: made over a hundred thousand dollars, like a hundred five

530
00:28:36,080 --> 00:28:39,840
Speaker 1: hundred and ten maybe, So that would have been two

531
00:28:39,880 --> 00:28:44,440
Speaker 1: thousand seven. When when in well, in in two thousand one,

532
00:28:44,480 --> 00:28:46,840
Speaker 1: you took Southwest Minnesota State. Because this was kind of

533
00:28:46,840 --> 00:28:50,840
Speaker 1: your pattern, right like usually year four, year five, that's

534
00:28:50,840 --> 00:28:53,040
Speaker 1: when you that's you know, that's what you did at

535
00:28:53,040 --> 00:28:57,280
Speaker 1: Colorado State. North Dakoa stated year two was good, and

536
00:28:57,480 --> 00:29:01,440
Speaker 1: year I think five or six was was outstanding. Before left. Uh.

537
00:29:01,520 --> 00:29:03,680
Speaker 1: You know, Nebraska obviously got to term your second year,

538
00:29:03,680 --> 00:29:05,200
Speaker 1: but it was like year five or six that you

539
00:29:05,400 --> 00:29:08,560
Speaker 1: should have got in the tournament. Um, you are two

540
00:29:08,560 --> 00:29:12,040
Speaker 1: thousand one Southwest Minnesota state team dominated your league. You

541
00:29:12,080 --> 00:29:14,960
Speaker 1: got all the way to lead eight. What when when

542
00:29:15,000 --> 00:29:17,800
Speaker 1: if you were to strive that Huh you lost to

543
00:29:17,840 --> 00:29:21,880
Speaker 1: Bakersfield or in Bakersfield it was in the garden spots.

544
00:29:22,680 --> 00:29:26,800
Speaker 1: What was that team? Like? That team was phenomenal. I

545
00:29:26,840 --> 00:29:30,160
Speaker 1: had three kids to complain Division one basketball at various

546
00:29:30,280 --> 00:29:34,680
Speaker 1: levels and um, we had Jad Tune and six five.

547
00:29:34,760 --> 00:29:37,400
Speaker 1: His brother Scott was in Division to All American at

548
00:29:37,400 --> 00:29:41,440
Speaker 1: six eight probably to fifteen. Jacob Ball was a guard

549
00:29:41,680 --> 00:29:47,240
Speaker 1: that was terrific. He um was the all time leading score. Uh.

550
00:29:47,320 --> 00:29:49,640
Speaker 1: And at that time I had four straight jobs where

551
00:29:49,640 --> 00:29:52,320
Speaker 1: we coached and recruited the all time leading scored each job.

552
00:29:53,080 --> 00:29:55,440
Speaker 1: And if I you know, and that was pretty not

553
00:29:55,520 --> 00:29:58,560
Speaker 1: easily done. And that was pretty fun to so, you know,

554
00:29:58,600 --> 00:30:01,280
Speaker 1: coach guys like that too. But that team was really

555
00:30:01,320 --> 00:30:05,560
Speaker 1: physical and it was it was a tough team. And

556
00:30:05,560 --> 00:30:08,280
Speaker 1: and and we ran into a buzz saw in Kentucky

557
00:30:08,320 --> 00:30:12,440
Speaker 1: Wesleyan Uh and uh, of course Stan Baking that national

558
00:30:12,520 --> 00:30:16,160
Speaker 1: championship two years later because they had three ineligiable guys

559
00:30:16,200 --> 00:30:19,080
Speaker 1: on the team, but but they didn't vacate them lost,

560
00:30:20,120 --> 00:30:24,440
Speaker 1: so I still remember pretty good. Uh. Okay, So so

561
00:30:24,520 --> 00:30:26,720
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, North Dakota State comes calling, right

562
00:30:26,880 --> 00:30:30,400
Speaker 1: and but they were what D two gonna be D one?

563
00:30:30,480 --> 00:30:33,720
Speaker 1: What was what was the just a very good D

564
00:30:33,800 --> 00:30:36,640
Speaker 1: two job, very good D two job. And I was

565
00:30:36,680 --> 00:30:39,800
Speaker 1: excited to have it. I was looking forward to it.

566
00:30:40,320 --> 00:30:43,640
Speaker 1: And um and we get there and during the interview,

567
00:30:43,640 --> 00:30:45,240
Speaker 1: the president says, you know me, we may go to

568
00:30:45,320 --> 00:30:47,800
Speaker 1: visit one. And you know, we had just come off

569
00:30:47,800 --> 00:30:51,560
Speaker 1: taken Southwest State, who had had one winning season and

570
00:30:51,680 --> 00:30:54,320
Speaker 1: ten before we got there, and we've built it up,

571
00:30:54,440 --> 00:30:56,920
Speaker 1: you know, and like you said, you're four. We we

572
00:30:57,080 --> 00:30:59,120
Speaker 1: slug it out of the park. So you know, I'm tent,

573
00:30:59,200 --> 00:31:01,200
Speaker 1: fetall and bullet proof. I can do anything, you know,

574
00:31:01,520 --> 00:31:06,160
Speaker 1: come on, man, and um uh and so uh they

575
00:31:06,240 --> 00:31:08,160
Speaker 1: hired a new athletic director. I was hired by an

576
00:31:08,160 --> 00:31:12,920
Speaker 1: interim athletic director, and the new athletic director h was

577
00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:18,640
Speaker 1: Gene Tayor, who is now the athletic director at um Uh. Oh,

578
00:31:18,640 --> 00:31:20,880
Speaker 1: well we all know where he's at. He's at Kansas State.

579
00:31:21,520 --> 00:31:25,760
Speaker 1: Chris Cleanman just pulled off the big upset um uh

580
00:31:25,840 --> 00:31:28,520
Speaker 1: and and Geene came in. He says, we're gonna do it.

581
00:31:28,520 --> 00:31:32,280
Speaker 1: We're gonna strategic clip planet, we're gonna announce it. Be ready.

582
00:31:32,480 --> 00:31:35,440
Speaker 1: And we didn't have a league, we didn't have anything,

583
00:31:35,920 --> 00:31:39,600
Speaker 1: and so I remember just it was so you know

584
00:31:39,720 --> 00:31:43,760
Speaker 1: every we were three years Division one independent and uh,

585
00:31:43,880 --> 00:31:47,560
Speaker 1: that was just well that was tough. But what was it?

586
00:31:47,400 --> 00:31:49,320
Speaker 1: What was it was the hardest. It was the hardest

587
00:31:49,320 --> 00:31:51,920
Speaker 1: scheduling you can remember, Like we went from here to

588
00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:53,800
Speaker 1: here to here to play a game. What was the

589
00:31:53,840 --> 00:31:56,280
Speaker 1: give me the give me the craziest scheduling thing as

590
00:31:56,320 --> 00:31:58,640
Speaker 1: an independent. Yeah, well it's actually we had a four

591
00:31:58,680 --> 00:32:02,040
Speaker 1: game run that we agreed to play the other independent

592
00:32:02,120 --> 00:32:09,000
Speaker 1: teams and so we went Utah Valley UM too. Uh

593
00:32:09,120 --> 00:32:12,560
Speaker 1: we lost on a Thursday night and then we um

594
00:32:12,680 --> 00:32:16,640
Speaker 1: we went to UH Wisconsin and played on eleven AM

595
00:32:16,680 --> 00:32:19,320
Speaker 1: game on Saturday. So we lose on the last I

596
00:32:19,320 --> 00:32:22,000
Speaker 1: can tip in and then we beat Wisconsin when they

597
00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:24,560
Speaker 1: were a third team in the country. And and so

598
00:32:24,640 --> 00:32:26,280
Speaker 1: that was just because we had a we had a

599
00:32:26,320 --> 00:32:31,200
Speaker 1: thirty minute practice and my my scouting folder was uh,

600
00:32:31,520 --> 00:32:34,400
Speaker 1: practically empty on Wisconsin and was we're gonna play him

601
00:32:34,440 --> 00:32:35,960
Speaker 1: this way. We're gonna play our brand of basketball, and

602
00:32:35,960 --> 00:32:37,239
Speaker 1: we're gonna play a heck of a lot better than

603
00:32:37,240 --> 00:32:39,800
Speaker 1: we did against Utah Valley. Dick hunts Saker was a

604
00:32:39,840 --> 00:32:42,920
Speaker 1: coach there, and he was a tough, minding guy like

605
00:32:43,040 --> 00:32:44,680
Speaker 1: Dick a lot he was. He knew what he was

606
00:32:44,720 --> 00:32:47,600
Speaker 1: doing and um, and so you know when you looked

607
00:32:47,600 --> 00:32:52,960
Speaker 1: at this, it was one of those things that, uh,

608
00:32:53,440 --> 00:32:56,040
Speaker 1: next year was even more interesting, I thought, because what

609
00:32:56,080 --> 00:33:00,240
Speaker 1: we did was, um, we went so we play the

610
00:33:00,240 --> 00:33:03,280
Speaker 1: poor Independence. So how about this. So Thursday, Saturday we

611
00:33:03,400 --> 00:33:08,520
Speaker 1: go Utah Valley, Texas Pan American. All right, so that's

612
00:33:08,560 --> 00:33:10,560
Speaker 1: a little bit of travel in the day in between

613
00:33:11,760 --> 00:33:18,360
Speaker 1: Texas Pan American. Yeah, you go, okay, Albuquerque. You should

614
00:33:18,400 --> 00:33:22,400
Speaker 1: have taken a lapt and um. And so as we went.

615
00:33:23,480 --> 00:33:26,440
Speaker 1: As we went, uh, you know, we got back home

616
00:33:26,600 --> 00:33:29,479
Speaker 1: and it was literally you know, I was like a

617
00:33:29,520 --> 00:33:33,160
Speaker 1: diamond plus on Delta because of the you know, it

618
00:33:33,240 --> 00:33:36,120
Speaker 1: was so nuts. And then the next day or the

619
00:33:36,200 --> 00:33:40,400
Speaker 1: next week, on Wednesday, we went to Fort Wayne and

620
00:33:40,440 --> 00:33:42,320
Speaker 1: then we ended up in the New Jersey and do

621
00:33:42,400 --> 00:33:47,440
Speaker 1: the Tech and um. And so we went from what Newark,

622
00:33:48,680 --> 00:33:52,760
Speaker 1: Brownsville or hum Utah kind of that dot in within

623
00:33:52,880 --> 00:33:59,120
Speaker 1: seven days. Uh okay. So then then Colorado State. You

624
00:33:59,160 --> 00:34:01,560
Speaker 1: took a lot of people forget. People remember what you left,

625
00:34:01,960 --> 00:34:04,760
Speaker 1: right Piers Young and those guys. But I don't think

626
00:34:04,800 --> 00:34:10,319
Speaker 1: people remember what you what you took over. I think

627
00:34:10,360 --> 00:34:12,360
Speaker 1: your first year you didn't win a game in league

628
00:34:12,400 --> 00:34:15,960
Speaker 1: and the league was really really good. When you walked

629
00:34:15,960 --> 00:34:19,960
Speaker 1: into Colorado State, take me through the uh the job.

630
00:34:20,200 --> 00:34:22,319
Speaker 1: What you thought of it? Obviously it's a it's a

631
00:34:22,360 --> 00:34:25,080
Speaker 1: great college town, but it is different from you've been

632
00:34:25,120 --> 00:34:28,040
Speaker 1: Minnesota in Dakota's and kind of that area the country.

633
00:34:28,800 --> 00:34:32,520
Speaker 1: Relatively similar, but not really. Um, what was what was

634
00:34:32,560 --> 00:34:35,840
Speaker 1: it like when you took over Colorado State? Yeah, northern

635
00:34:35,840 --> 00:34:41,080
Speaker 1: Colorado is is is uh, you know, a lot of transplants.

636
00:34:41,120 --> 00:34:43,759
Speaker 1: You know, it's a lot of people from Iowa, Nebraska, uh,

637
00:34:44,520 --> 00:34:47,520
Speaker 1: Transas that have moved over and certainly Front Range people too.

638
00:34:47,880 --> 00:34:50,839
Speaker 1: But but it's a it's a great community. But we

639
00:34:50,880 --> 00:34:54,520
Speaker 1: took over, there was thirteen scholarships accounted for, and by

640
00:34:54,560 --> 00:34:57,680
Speaker 1: the time we got to the season, can of those

641
00:34:57,680 --> 00:35:01,319
Speaker 1: guys were gone. They'd either quit been relieved of those

642
00:35:01,360 --> 00:35:06,920
Speaker 1: duties by me, usually because of a um uh, some

643
00:35:07,080 --> 00:35:11,799
Speaker 1: issue with the law or or And Jason Smith went

644
00:35:11,880 --> 00:35:14,360
Speaker 1: seven teeth in the NBA draft, which he should have

645
00:35:14,920 --> 00:35:17,400
Speaker 1: uh he might have went ninete, but Jason went to

646
00:35:17,440 --> 00:35:19,879
Speaker 1: the bidge just retired I think from the NBA year

647
00:35:19,920 --> 00:35:23,319
Speaker 1: ago or so. So we you know, we had we

648
00:35:23,360 --> 00:35:26,120
Speaker 1: had to start over. We go owen sixteen in the league.

649
00:35:27,040 --> 00:35:29,200
Speaker 1: And Steve Fisher calls me at the end of the year. Now,

650
00:35:29,239 --> 00:35:32,000
Speaker 1: if folks remember it was here's the league. You go

651
00:35:32,120 --> 00:35:34,239
Speaker 1: right at the front range. You got TCU was in

652
00:35:34,280 --> 00:35:38,600
Speaker 1: the league, Air Force, Colorado State, Wyoming, and you get

653
00:35:38,600 --> 00:35:41,440
Speaker 1: in the Mountain regions and you got uh y U

654
00:35:42,080 --> 00:35:45,160
Speaker 1: Utah right, and then you go over you got San

655
00:35:45,200 --> 00:35:48,680
Speaker 1: Diego State un l V. And then when TCU left

656
00:35:49,800 --> 00:35:53,160
Speaker 1: UH and b y U left, we got poisoned. And

657
00:35:53,160 --> 00:35:55,279
Speaker 1: and so I mean it was a ridiculous league for

658
00:35:55,680 --> 00:35:57,960
Speaker 1: you know, I was there five years and and I

659
00:35:58,000 --> 00:36:01,279
Speaker 1: think we put more team. I think we tripled the

660
00:36:01,280 --> 00:36:02,840
Speaker 1: amount of teams who put the n t A in

661
00:36:02,880 --> 00:36:07,440
Speaker 1: the Paxswell. Pat Here's what here's what people want to know.

662
00:36:07,960 --> 00:36:11,800
Speaker 1: What you you mentioned all the success you had in Mayville,

663
00:36:12,480 --> 00:36:16,760
Speaker 1: at Southwest Minnesota State and obviously Colorado State in building

664
00:36:17,040 --> 00:36:22,480
Speaker 1: something that hadn't previously had success. So if somebody's, hey,

665
00:36:22,520 --> 00:36:25,479
Speaker 1: I want to replicate what Tim does and how he's

666
00:36:25,520 --> 00:36:27,839
Speaker 1: done it, Like, what are the what are the four

667
00:36:27,920 --> 00:36:30,279
Speaker 1: or five things that you that that you've done that's

668
00:36:30,280 --> 00:36:33,640
Speaker 1: allowed you to be that guy who builds a winner

669
00:36:33,760 --> 00:36:37,719
Speaker 1: from a place that doesn't really win. Well. I think

670
00:36:37,760 --> 00:36:40,800
Speaker 1: that we're you know, the recipe is the saying simple

671
00:36:40,880 --> 00:36:43,440
Speaker 1: tell you that to The recipe is the saying. The

672
00:36:43,480 --> 00:36:46,520
Speaker 1: recipe is, We're gonna play good fundamental basketball. We're gonna

673
00:36:46,520 --> 00:36:49,319
Speaker 1: give ourselves a chance to win every night, you know,

674
00:36:49,640 --> 00:36:53,680
Speaker 1: and we're gonna surround ourselves with winners too. And um,

675
00:36:53,760 --> 00:36:56,000
Speaker 1: and as you look at things, I think it's important

676
00:36:56,360 --> 00:36:58,520
Speaker 1: that you know, you recruit the right kind of guys

677
00:36:58,560 --> 00:37:00,920
Speaker 1: that fit you and your style out. I think we

678
00:37:01,000 --> 00:37:02,880
Speaker 1: do a good job of rootting guys out in the

679
00:37:02,880 --> 00:37:06,600
Speaker 1: recruiting process that quite frankly, probably can't play for me,

680
00:37:06,880 --> 00:37:09,880
Speaker 1: you know. I mean, if I'm fighting too hard or

681
00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:13,359
Speaker 1: requiring too much, uh, you know, it's just tough. It's

682
00:37:13,360 --> 00:37:16,120
Speaker 1: tough on those guys. And and so at the end

683
00:37:16,160 --> 00:37:19,320
Speaker 1: of the day when you look at them, you have to, um,

684
00:37:19,480 --> 00:37:22,239
Speaker 1: you have to be able to you have to be

685
00:37:22,280 --> 00:37:25,719
Speaker 1: able to. Um. Sorry I'm getting yelled at here. So yeah,

686
00:37:25,880 --> 00:37:27,560
Speaker 1: you have to be able to know who to recruit

687
00:37:27,680 --> 00:37:29,239
Speaker 1: and then coach them the right way. And the way

688
00:37:29,239 --> 00:37:32,480
Speaker 1: we recruit them is we're honest from the get go

689
00:37:32,920 --> 00:37:35,680
Speaker 1: and we don't pressure a commitment. We don't like uh

690
00:37:35,800 --> 00:37:39,440
Speaker 1: you know, um, we don't. We don't twist the guy's

691
00:37:39,520 --> 00:37:41,080
Speaker 1: arms to a point where we try and get him

692
00:37:41,080 --> 00:37:43,880
Speaker 1: to rush into a commitment or anything like that. Um.

693
00:37:44,200 --> 00:37:46,040
Speaker 1: We want to make sure you know, like I said,

694
00:37:46,080 --> 00:37:49,800
Speaker 1: commit when you're committed, you know when you can defend

695
00:37:49,880 --> 00:37:52,520
Speaker 1: us you know, and and you know that you can

696
00:37:52,920 --> 00:37:54,800
Speaker 1: that nobody can talk to you out of this commitment

697
00:37:54,840 --> 00:37:56,600
Speaker 1: is when I want you to come. I was never

698
00:37:56,640 --> 00:38:00,000
Speaker 1: a high pressure guy like like, hey, you gotta gotta

699
00:38:00,120 --> 00:38:02,200
Speaker 1: do this, come on, we gotta have you're not leaving campus.

700
00:38:02,520 --> 00:38:05,560
Speaker 1: I was never like that and then drove my assistance crazy.

701
00:38:05,880 --> 00:38:08,239
Speaker 1: Maybe I'd still be employed if I like that. But

702
00:38:08,280 --> 00:38:11,240
Speaker 1: at the same time, I think that just that buying

703
00:38:11,280 --> 00:38:14,120
Speaker 1: on the front end can help you and and if

704
00:38:14,120 --> 00:38:17,439
Speaker 1: the guys know what they're gonna get, uh No, play

705
00:38:17,440 --> 00:38:19,319
Speaker 1: hard for you and you know you play hard to

706
00:38:19,360 --> 00:38:26,000
Speaker 1: play smart you win basketball games. Um, if you could

707
00:38:26,040 --> 00:38:28,239
Speaker 1: do one thing differently in Nebraska, what would it be?

708
00:38:29,760 --> 00:38:35,200
Speaker 1: More shooting for three point shooting? Just more three point shooting?

709
00:38:35,239 --> 00:38:38,799
Speaker 1: We just you know, whenever we outshot our phonents. We

710
00:38:38,840 --> 00:38:42,520
Speaker 1: had very very we had good years and um, but

711
00:38:42,760 --> 00:38:45,680
Speaker 1: too often times we just did not have enough shooting.

712
00:38:45,719 --> 00:38:47,839
Speaker 1: We had length, that cleticism, we could guard all right,

713
00:38:48,120 --> 00:38:50,680
Speaker 1: but we just didn't have the outside shooting. Is that

714
00:38:50,960 --> 00:38:54,279
Speaker 1: is that recruiting that something? Or is it I mean, like,

715
00:38:54,320 --> 00:38:56,880
Speaker 1: look the facilities that you were, you walked into this

716
00:38:56,920 --> 00:38:59,799
Speaker 1: incredible facilities. Was it in practice you should have gotten

717
00:38:59,800 --> 00:39:02,040
Speaker 1: more shots up? Or is it simply recruiting. We should

718
00:39:02,040 --> 00:39:05,359
Speaker 1: have recruited more shooting value shooting more just I think

719
00:39:05,400 --> 00:39:07,719
Speaker 1: guys that can shoot, I think that you can change

720
00:39:07,719 --> 00:39:10,360
Speaker 1: their shot, but you can improve it a little. But

721
00:39:10,520 --> 00:39:14,920
Speaker 1: at the same time, it's not it's not um uh.

722
00:39:15,320 --> 00:39:17,439
Speaker 1: I mean you can have all the facilers you want,

723
00:39:17,480 --> 00:39:19,239
Speaker 1: you can have. We had no Oh, we have all

724
00:39:19,280 --> 00:39:23,320
Speaker 1: the bells and whistles of shot tracker. And our kids

725
00:39:23,320 --> 00:39:26,120
Speaker 1: worked their tails off. I mean our kids worked so

726
00:39:26,160 --> 00:39:29,600
Speaker 1: hard as shooting it was ridiculous. Um, but I mean

727
00:39:29,760 --> 00:39:32,200
Speaker 1: it just look at Kawhi Leonard. I mean, Kauai had

728
00:39:32,239 --> 00:39:34,880
Speaker 1: been working on his jumper every day at San Diego

729
00:39:34,960 --> 00:39:38,160
Speaker 1: State and still wasn't making seventeen footers, and he kept

730
00:39:38,160 --> 00:39:39,799
Speaker 1: doing it more and more and more as a pro.

731
00:39:40,239 --> 00:39:43,320
Speaker 1: And now he's less, you know, he's got less stuff

732
00:39:43,440 --> 00:39:47,720
Speaker 1: going on from an aspect of of you know, just class,

733
00:39:47,760 --> 00:39:51,040
Speaker 1: any class, or any kind of distraction. And so as

734
00:39:51,080 --> 00:39:55,440
Speaker 1: he's got all that, he he knows that, um that

735
00:39:55,600 --> 00:39:58,640
Speaker 1: he can, um, you know, just just concentrate on this

736
00:39:58,760 --> 00:40:01,759
Speaker 1: one thing and he'll be all right. So I mean,

737
00:40:01,800 --> 00:40:06,760
Speaker 1: I just think more natural shooters would have helped us. Um,

738
00:40:06,920 --> 00:40:09,399
Speaker 1: how close were you to take in a job after

739
00:40:09,440 --> 00:40:15,319
Speaker 1: you lost your job? I wasn't because, um, I one

740
00:40:15,400 --> 00:40:18,080
Speaker 1: of my son, My son felt like he's a freshman

741
00:40:18,080 --> 00:40:21,560
Speaker 1: in high school and he felt like, um, he felt

742
00:40:21,600 --> 00:40:24,440
Speaker 1: like he was at home, you know what I mean,

743
00:40:24,480 --> 00:40:27,960
Speaker 1: he felt like he was, uh there, my daughter was

744
00:40:28,000 --> 00:40:33,280
Speaker 1: in college. I had other opportunities years prior and didn't

745
00:40:33,320 --> 00:40:35,399
Speaker 1: move on it. Um, you know, I wanted to make

746
00:40:35,440 --> 00:40:39,160
Speaker 1: him work in Nebraska, and so they hired a good man.

747
00:40:39,320 --> 00:40:42,640
Speaker 1: Fred is an excellent coach, does a really good job

748
00:40:43,200 --> 00:40:45,319
Speaker 1: and I think he'll have a great successful It took

749
00:40:45,360 --> 00:40:47,120
Speaker 1: two and to replace me, you know, Doc Sadler is

750
00:40:47,160 --> 00:40:51,239
Speaker 1: there too, So um I give my hard time about that,

751
00:40:51,360 --> 00:40:54,200
Speaker 1: but it's, uh, it's one of those things that Doug,

752
00:40:54,200 --> 00:40:57,320
Speaker 1: when you look at it, I think it's important that

753
00:40:59,000 --> 00:41:03,120
Speaker 1: the could have would have showed drive you crazy, you know.

754
00:41:03,239 --> 00:41:05,759
Speaker 1: I mean we had a lot of things go on

755
00:41:05,840 --> 00:41:08,960
Speaker 1: the last two or three years that you know that

756
00:41:08,960 --> 00:41:10,919
Speaker 1: that you just sit there and say, come on, I mean,

757
00:41:10,960 --> 00:41:13,320
Speaker 1: any one of these things don't happen, We're probably fine.

758
00:41:13,760 --> 00:41:15,759
Speaker 1: But that's that's the way life goes, is a good

759
00:41:15,800 --> 00:41:19,640
Speaker 1: life lesson and when things are at their most difficult,

760
00:41:19,680 --> 00:41:22,600
Speaker 1: you need to be at your best as a as

761
00:41:22,600 --> 00:41:24,960
Speaker 1: a coach, as a dad, as of whoever. And that's

762
00:41:25,000 --> 00:41:29,799
Speaker 1: what we tried to do. Um okay. So, uh, let

763
00:41:29,800 --> 00:41:33,000
Speaker 1: me if you were to give me one sentence on

764
00:41:33,080 --> 00:41:36,279
Speaker 1: because you coached in an incredible coaching league, right, like

765
00:41:36,360 --> 00:41:40,360
Speaker 1: the thing about the Big Ten is like you have

766
00:41:40,480 --> 00:41:45,200
Speaker 1: some really I mean really good basketball coaches. Um okay,

767
00:41:45,239 --> 00:41:48,399
Speaker 1: So just a sentence on what it's like to play

768
00:41:48,400 --> 00:41:54,719
Speaker 1: against a tomas O team. They tilt the floor, they're

769
00:41:54,760 --> 00:42:02,040
Speaker 1: always coming downhill at you and I send everything, rebounding, transition,

770
00:42:02,200 --> 00:42:05,480
Speaker 1: everything like they are on the attack. I mean, pretend

771
00:42:05,800 --> 00:42:07,840
Speaker 1: that you're on the bottom end of a teeter totter

772
00:42:08,400 --> 00:42:11,320
Speaker 1: and they got five guys running down down at you.

773
00:42:11,320 --> 00:42:14,600
Speaker 1: You know, That's what it feels like. What was an

774
00:42:14,600 --> 00:42:16,680
Speaker 1: obviously is in the pros. But what was it like

775
00:42:16,719 --> 00:42:20,000
Speaker 1: to play against the John Bee line coach team. Yeah?

776
00:42:20,000 --> 00:42:27,040
Speaker 1: It was scary because he was he He probably had

777
00:42:27,080 --> 00:42:31,920
Speaker 1: the best offensive individual, offensive game plan time after time

778
00:42:32,000 --> 00:42:36,800
Speaker 1: after time than anybody in the league. He would he would,

779
00:42:37,120 --> 00:42:42,440
Speaker 1: he would, he would figure it out. Uh okay, what

780
00:42:42,560 --> 00:42:46,000
Speaker 1: about what about when he played against bow Ryan early

781
00:42:46,040 --> 00:42:47,719
Speaker 1: in the early in your league? Run was bow Ryan?

782
00:42:47,840 --> 00:42:51,719
Speaker 1: What what made bow Ryan's tea was? Like pall Uh?

783
00:42:52,320 --> 00:42:57,719
Speaker 1: I think this the discipline, uh, in the physicality of

784
00:42:57,800 --> 00:43:05,480
Speaker 1: his teams? Uh okay? What about? Uh? What now? Okay?

785
00:43:05,520 --> 00:43:12,240
Speaker 1: What about fran McCaffrey's teams system, system, system, shooting, shooting, shooting,

786
00:43:13,000 --> 00:43:14,799
Speaker 1: a ton of shoot. Yet, like if you guys could switch,

787
00:43:14,840 --> 00:43:17,440
Speaker 1: if yeah, if he if you could, if you could switch,

788
00:43:17,560 --> 00:43:19,440
Speaker 1: that would be incredible, right, Like we get some of

789
00:43:19,440 --> 00:43:22,080
Speaker 1: your shooting and you get some of our length and athleticism.

790
00:43:22,200 --> 00:43:26,000
Speaker 1: Somehow trades some players both be okay, yeah, yeah, and

791
00:43:26,000 --> 00:43:31,160
Speaker 1: he's still going okay, don't get me wrong. What about Painter, yeah,

792
00:43:31,239 --> 00:43:39,840
Speaker 1: paint uh phenomenal, uh phenomenal mind uh offense. Just I

793
00:43:39,880 --> 00:43:42,840
Speaker 1: think he's one of the most under reached rated coaches

794
00:43:43,200 --> 00:43:46,359
Speaker 1: in the United States. And I don't even think that's close.

795
00:43:46,440 --> 00:43:48,960
Speaker 1: I think he is one of the top dudes out there.

796
00:43:49,719 --> 00:43:52,000
Speaker 1: How did they get that back together because if you remember,

797
00:43:52,000 --> 00:43:54,399
Speaker 1: like early when you got in the league, that thing

798
00:43:54,480 --> 00:43:57,640
Speaker 1: was going after Humble left, those guys left, you know,

799
00:43:57,680 --> 00:44:01,520
Speaker 1: they were like below I think he counts with some

800
00:44:01,600 --> 00:44:03,640
Speaker 1: guys out of the program. Got his kind of guys,

801
00:44:04,080 --> 00:44:06,600
Speaker 1: tough dudes that can have skill and are going to

802
00:44:06,640 --> 00:44:10,319
Speaker 1: play for Purdue. That's a great point. It's a it's

803
00:44:10,320 --> 00:44:14,759
Speaker 1: a great point. Um uh Bratt Underwood. Obviously he's only

804
00:44:14,760 --> 00:44:16,319
Speaker 1: been there for a couple of years. What are his

805
00:44:16,360 --> 00:44:22,440
Speaker 1: teams like, pressure pressure, pressure, pressure, just whatever amount of

806
00:44:22,480 --> 00:44:26,239
Speaker 1: pressure he could put on you. He's going defensively, tom

807
00:44:26,280 --> 00:44:34,319
Speaker 1: cream fast faced offense, fast offense. Yeah. They and and

808
00:44:34,360 --> 00:44:36,080
Speaker 1: he kind of changed it and opened up even more

809
00:44:36,120 --> 00:44:38,120
Speaker 1: there at the end before before he lost his job,

810
00:44:38,160 --> 00:44:40,480
Speaker 1: and that that's kind of how he's playing now like

811
00:44:40,560 --> 00:44:43,320
Speaker 1: really really really open to that. I tell you he

812
00:44:43,400 --> 00:44:46,319
Speaker 1: developed pros. I don't think Thomas Fry would be where

813
00:44:46,360 --> 00:44:49,960
Speaker 1: he had if he didn't play it at at Indiana,

814
00:44:50,640 --> 00:44:53,960
Speaker 1: you know, and and and oladip But like Oladipo's developed himself.

815
00:44:54,000 --> 00:44:56,920
Speaker 1: But people forget like Oladipo wasn't some huge get when

816
00:44:56,960 --> 00:45:00,480
Speaker 1: they got him right and and the space his offense

817
00:45:03,080 --> 00:45:06,920
Speaker 1: O g n and Opie was the same way. You know,

818
00:45:07,000 --> 00:45:12,400
Speaker 1: he wasn't a top fifty kid or anything like that. Yeah,

819
00:45:12,440 --> 00:45:17,920
Speaker 1: just a phenomenal, phenomenal athlete. Richard Pettino. Yeah, I like

820
00:45:18,080 --> 00:45:20,120
Speaker 1: Richard a lot. And you know he's got some of

821
00:45:20,120 --> 00:45:24,000
Speaker 1: his dad, dad's elements. Um, he's got some of his

822
00:45:24,080 --> 00:45:29,520
Speaker 1: dad's elements. And and uh Richard, I think those last

823
00:45:29,520 --> 00:45:37,480
Speaker 1: two years of physicality had with uh, Jordan Murphy and

824
00:45:37,600 --> 00:45:40,319
Speaker 1: just that whole clan while they were they were like

825
00:45:40,360 --> 00:45:48,280
Speaker 1: an old school big kids. Sad Mota great defensively, really

826
00:45:48,320 --> 00:45:52,200
Speaker 1: hard to play against defensively. And yeah, I mean and

827
00:45:53,800 --> 00:46:00,680
Speaker 1: Chris Holtman, uh I rock solid defensively, really creative offensively.

828
00:46:00,719 --> 00:46:03,560
Speaker 1: I really liked he was another guy like the line

829
00:46:03,880 --> 00:46:09,680
Speaker 1: that was crafty. Let's put it that way. Yeah, and uh,

830
00:46:09,960 --> 00:46:14,960
Speaker 1: no question about it. Um the place. Okay, so you

831
00:46:14,960 --> 00:46:17,399
Speaker 1: have a son who's in high school, a daughter who's

832
00:46:17,440 --> 00:46:20,799
Speaker 1: in college. We started by saying, hey, look, I'm a

833
00:46:20,840 --> 00:46:22,920
Speaker 1: Fox college basketball analists and I want to be a

834
00:46:22,920 --> 00:46:25,200
Speaker 1: good one. But you also said I'm a coach and

835
00:46:25,239 --> 00:46:28,520
Speaker 1: I want to coach. The next place you coach is

836
00:46:28,520 --> 00:46:30,319
Speaker 1: gonna doesn't That doesn't have to be a school, but

837
00:46:30,400 --> 00:46:36,359
Speaker 1: it's what is the style of university that fits you? Um,

838
00:46:36,719 --> 00:46:40,600
Speaker 1: you know, I feel like I can be fitted. Um,

839
00:46:40,760 --> 00:46:44,240
Speaker 1: you know, because I've been mid major, high major, Division

840
00:46:44,239 --> 00:46:46,880
Speaker 1: one independent, I feel like I could, you know, be

841
00:46:46,960 --> 00:46:50,200
Speaker 1: a part of just about anything that way. But it's

842
00:46:50,239 --> 00:46:52,200
Speaker 1: going to be a school and wants me. I want

843
00:46:52,200 --> 00:46:56,600
Speaker 1: to feel like the stray cat. The best part about

844
00:46:57,120 --> 00:47:04,240
Speaker 1: losing your job is what no alarm, no blood pressure

845
00:47:04,360 --> 00:47:08,440
Speaker 1: problems Like it's uh, it's it's like, is this how

846
00:47:08,520 --> 00:47:12,800
Speaker 1: people live? It's just like I don't have to do anything,

847
00:47:12,920 --> 00:47:17,880
Speaker 1: you know, I just have to you know, it's just ridiculous. Um,

848
00:47:18,239 --> 00:47:20,359
Speaker 1: it's been eye opening for me. Had twenty four straight

849
00:47:20,440 --> 00:47:23,200
Speaker 1: years as a head coach. Never since I was in

850
00:47:23,280 --> 00:47:26,240
Speaker 1: high school did I not have a team, so to speak,

851
00:47:27,320 --> 00:47:31,279
Speaker 1: And um, uh, and so it's been so different, but

852
00:47:31,320 --> 00:47:34,160
Speaker 1: it's just you know, actually, I'm glad to be working

853
00:47:34,200 --> 00:47:37,080
Speaker 1: with Fox And I told him I'm gonna do as

854
00:47:37,080 --> 00:47:38,600
Speaker 1: well as I can, Like, this is what I want

855
00:47:38,600 --> 00:47:41,520
Speaker 1: to do the rest of my life. And uh, if something,

856
00:47:41,520 --> 00:47:44,080
Speaker 1: you know, if something pops up this year or next

857
00:47:44,160 --> 00:47:47,919
Speaker 1: year or whatever. Uh, you know, and I coach again

858
00:47:47,920 --> 00:47:50,239
Speaker 1: and it's a good fit, we're gonna do it. If not,

859
00:47:50,360 --> 00:47:52,840
Speaker 1: we're not gonna do it. We're gonna keep looking and

860
00:47:53,000 --> 00:47:56,120
Speaker 1: and see make sure it's right. You're you're gonna have

861
00:47:56,360 --> 00:47:58,600
Speaker 1: your own podcasts on the athletic right now? Is it

862
00:47:58,600 --> 00:48:00,879
Speaker 1: gonna be like you and Craig's if just talking ball

863
00:48:00,920 --> 00:48:03,720
Speaker 1: and telling old stories. Are you gonna be analyzing stuff?

864
00:48:03,719 --> 00:48:08,720
Speaker 1: What's what's your style gonna be? Um, I'm looking forward

865
00:48:08,760 --> 00:48:12,239
Speaker 1: to c J. Moore and I working together. We're just

866
00:48:12,280 --> 00:48:15,680
Speaker 1: still waiting for the final everybody to go through and

867
00:48:15,680 --> 00:48:20,320
Speaker 1: and you know, Apple and and and Spotify and everybody

868
00:48:20,320 --> 00:48:23,120
Speaker 1: to say okay, yep, we'll have you on you know,

869
00:48:23,160 --> 00:48:26,359
Speaker 1: and all that fun stuff. So it's just a matter

870
00:48:26,719 --> 00:48:28,600
Speaker 1: for all that. But t J. Moore and I are

871
00:48:28,600 --> 00:48:32,839
Speaker 1: gonna be t J. Moore and I are gonna be

872
00:48:33,120 --> 00:48:36,279
Speaker 1: um together on that, and we're gonna do variety of things,

873
00:48:36,360 --> 00:48:40,120
Speaker 1: just like I might interview some coaches again, like you

874
00:48:40,160 --> 00:48:44,000
Speaker 1: and I have talked about earlier on you know, you know,

875
00:48:44,040 --> 00:48:46,960
Speaker 1: how did you get? Like so I had an idea like, Okay,

876
00:48:47,280 --> 00:48:50,920
Speaker 1: what's the story behind this guy? So like some some

877
00:48:51,040 --> 00:48:54,799
Speaker 1: player that they probably shouldn't have got, they recruited him,

878
00:48:55,080 --> 00:48:59,040
Speaker 1: and I'm not thinking it's not like it's not condescending

879
00:48:59,160 --> 00:49:00,960
Speaker 1: or you know, like I you know, I got They're

880
00:49:01,000 --> 00:49:03,960
Speaker 1: they're they're super, they're super interesting, they're super I mean

881
00:49:04,000 --> 00:49:07,120
Speaker 1: like look every all these okay, um, okay, so let

882
00:49:07,120 --> 00:49:10,520
Speaker 1: me let me let me use that. Um your signature

883
00:49:10,560 --> 00:49:18,360
Speaker 1: player at at Colorado State was probably pierced right Yeah yeah,

884
00:49:18,440 --> 00:49:21,439
Speaker 1: I mean yeah, just first time I everyone so him played,

885
00:49:21,440 --> 00:49:24,480
Speaker 1: he didn't score? Where was it? Where was it? He's

886
00:49:24,520 --> 00:49:26,839
Speaker 1: from our Vata, Colorado. Where did you go see him play? Yeah?

887
00:49:26,880 --> 00:49:30,040
Speaker 1: He was Ralston Rawlston High School and they played Pooler

888
00:49:30,080 --> 00:49:35,080
Speaker 1: High who was doing a juggernaut, and um, he didn't score,

889
00:49:35,600 --> 00:49:39,160
Speaker 1: you know, And I'm like Nico man Ben, who's not

890
00:49:39,239 --> 00:49:41,080
Speaker 1: the code head coach, I'm like, what do you do?

891
00:49:41,560 --> 00:49:44,480
Speaker 1: What are we doing here? Man? And then we brought

892
00:49:44,560 --> 00:49:48,239
Speaker 1: him into Elite Camp and we brought we had all

893
00:49:48,280 --> 00:49:49,960
Speaker 1: of our wings. I was back when you could kind

894
00:49:49,960 --> 00:49:52,600
Speaker 1: of you can get kids to campus a little easier

895
00:49:53,120 --> 00:49:58,120
Speaker 1: and um and so uh he came to camp and

896
00:49:58,200 --> 00:50:00,560
Speaker 1: just kicked everybody. But and he was the guy that

897
00:50:00,680 --> 00:50:03,479
Speaker 1: taught me like, recruit guys that come up with the ball,

898
00:50:04,400 --> 00:50:07,200
Speaker 1: the crew, guys that come up with the ball, and

899
00:50:07,200 --> 00:50:09,520
Speaker 1: and pears can come up with the ball. Store and Green.

900
00:50:09,560 --> 00:50:12,880
Speaker 1: Nobody recruited Dorian Green. And he started every game he

901
00:50:12,960 --> 00:50:16,839
Speaker 1: ever played. Yeah, and I mean he's he's from Lawrence Camp.

902
00:50:17,440 --> 00:50:19,880
Speaker 1: You are not the Kansas not the kids would occurred him,

903
00:50:19,920 --> 00:50:22,600
Speaker 1: but you'd think the big twelve schools would recruit him.

904
00:50:22,960 --> 00:50:31,320
Speaker 1: Obviously got out there, you know, Okay, you're Everson was

905
00:50:31,360 --> 00:50:34,440
Speaker 1: a great yet Yankton, South Dakota gets uh. His dad

906
00:50:34,760 --> 00:50:36,560
Speaker 1: interviewed me for them. He was the a d at

907
00:50:36,560 --> 00:50:39,759
Speaker 1: Mount Marty and the women's coach didn't hire me. So

908
00:50:39,840 --> 00:50:45,320
Speaker 1: I kept telling you over one shock you know, and uh,

909
00:50:45,520 --> 00:50:47,640
Speaker 1: I mean just little things like that, like how would

910
00:50:47,640 --> 00:50:52,320
Speaker 1: you know that you're gonna interview nineteen and then this

911
00:50:52,480 --> 00:50:55,360
Speaker 1: little kid that's running around he's gonna end up being this,

912
00:50:56,320 --> 00:50:59,920
Speaker 1: you know, NBA draft pick. Eventually he was not a

913
00:51:00,239 --> 00:51:02,160
Speaker 1: He could not have ever been a little kid, Colten

914
00:51:02,160 --> 00:51:04,239
Speaker 1: Iver could not have ever been a little child. You're right,

915
00:51:04,280 --> 00:51:08,840
Speaker 1: You're right, you're right. Okay, the craziest snowstorm or weather

916
00:51:08,920 --> 00:51:14,239
Speaker 1: pattern you've ever driven through one. So. Um, So I'm

917
00:51:14,320 --> 00:51:18,200
Speaker 1: I'm on the road with I'm on the road with

918
00:51:18,280 --> 00:51:25,240
Speaker 1: a guy, and um and I um and so who

919
00:51:25,320 --> 00:51:28,120
Speaker 1: you on the road with? Who you on the road with? Yeah,

920
00:51:28,160 --> 00:51:30,279
Speaker 1: so I'm thinking, I'm just thinking. I think it was

921
00:51:30,920 --> 00:51:34,160
Speaker 1: J Smith. J had been a player for US at

922
00:51:34,400 --> 00:51:40,520
Speaker 1: um at Northern State. I'm at Northern and we're, um,

923
00:51:40,640 --> 00:51:45,840
Speaker 1: we are, We're driving and it's blinding, blinding snow and

924
00:51:46,200 --> 00:51:50,960
Speaker 1: uh so he starts by opening his door and seeing

925
00:51:50,960 --> 00:51:53,919
Speaker 1: where he can see the line, you know, the line

926
00:51:53,920 --> 00:51:58,440
Speaker 1: on the highway to Wayne high Yeah. Yeah, so we

927
00:51:58,480 --> 00:52:00,960
Speaker 1: could where is gim me give me this general give

928
00:52:01,000 --> 00:52:04,720
Speaker 1: me the general location of where this is Wilmer Highway

929
00:52:04,719 --> 00:52:08,279
Speaker 1: twelve in Wilmer, Minnesota. Outside of Wilmer. We we had

930
00:52:08,320 --> 00:52:11,920
Speaker 1: to get about thirty miles to get to a town

931
00:52:12,000 --> 00:52:14,319
Speaker 1: and where we could just post up and feel good

932
00:52:14,320 --> 00:52:19,440
Speaker 1: about posting up. So we um, we end up and

933
00:52:19,719 --> 00:52:23,279
Speaker 1: so then it's starting to drift to a point where

934
00:52:23,640 --> 00:52:26,920
Speaker 1: he can't see me live. So then I opened my

935
00:52:27,000 --> 00:52:31,800
Speaker 1: door and he steers from like sides over to the middle.

936
00:52:32,120 --> 00:52:35,360
Speaker 1: He steers, and I'm watching the dotted line in the middle,

937
00:52:36,120 --> 00:52:39,040
Speaker 1: you know, to make sure that we're on the right

938
00:52:39,080 --> 00:52:42,880
Speaker 1: side of it. Yeah, we did thirty miles and it

939
00:52:42,960 --> 00:52:45,520
Speaker 1: took about an hour and a half. Do you remember

940
00:52:45,520 --> 00:52:51,920
Speaker 1: where you posted up? I think I want to say

941
00:52:52,640 --> 00:52:57,120
Speaker 1: it was It was not Wilmer, it was I don't remember.

942
00:52:58,200 --> 00:53:01,640
Speaker 1: It's it's a little town. I know the town's name.

943
00:53:03,160 --> 00:53:04,840
Speaker 1: I want to say Madison, but I don't think it

944
00:53:04,880 --> 00:53:08,520
Speaker 1: was Madison, Minnesota. I don't remember. Give me the player,

945
00:53:10,120 --> 00:53:13,000
Speaker 1: Give me the player that you that you watched and

946
00:53:13,040 --> 00:53:16,759
Speaker 1: you just missed on that that Nico or somebody said, yeah,

947
00:53:16,800 --> 00:53:18,399
Speaker 1: we gotta take this kid, and you're like, I don't

948
00:53:18,440 --> 00:53:22,280
Speaker 1: see it, and he ended up going somewhere else. Probably

949
00:53:22,280 --> 00:53:30,520
Speaker 1: a thousand of those guys. Uh give you one. Um,

950
00:53:30,680 --> 00:53:37,080
Speaker 1: let's see here, who was you know? The one is

951
00:53:37,280 --> 00:53:43,960
Speaker 1: uh Kawan Waller Prince Prince, Yeah, yeah, torrean print. Now

952
00:53:44,000 --> 00:53:47,280
Speaker 1: he goes by Torrian Prince. Yeah, he dropped the Waller

953
00:53:47,320 --> 00:53:51,799
Speaker 1: Park right and Torrian Print and we had him on campus,

954
00:53:52,600 --> 00:53:57,480
Speaker 1: didn't offer him. He was young, like a sophomore, had

955
00:53:57,520 --> 00:54:02,080
Speaker 1: him on campus, went down swimming in I didn't offer him.

956
00:54:02,200 --> 00:54:06,920
Speaker 1: And then uh, and then we started recruiting him. I

957
00:54:06,960 --> 00:54:10,200
Speaker 1: think when I left p s You and came to Nebraska,

958
00:54:10,280 --> 00:54:12,200
Speaker 1: he was starting to get better and better. This is

959
00:54:12,200 --> 00:54:16,640
Speaker 1: a year and a half later, and uh, he's signed

960
00:54:16,640 --> 00:54:19,719
Speaker 1: at ally You Brooklyn because they had been down in

961
00:54:19,760 --> 00:54:22,600
Speaker 1: Houston and you know, he was gonna visit there and

962
00:54:22,640 --> 00:54:25,200
Speaker 1: commit and we were too late. And then when he came,

963
00:54:25,360 --> 00:54:28,600
Speaker 1: he opened his recruiting. I think in that spring, I

964
00:54:28,640 --> 00:54:31,680
Speaker 1: think maybe it was Jim Ferry left. I'm not sure. Uh,

965
00:54:31,719 --> 00:54:35,160
Speaker 1: and he um, he went to Baylor, and I think

966
00:54:35,200 --> 00:54:39,080
Speaker 1: that turned out pretty good for him. He doesn't use

967
00:54:39,120 --> 00:54:42,239
Speaker 1: the Yeah, he had the water. Um, okay, give me

968
00:54:42,280 --> 00:54:44,440
Speaker 1: the give me the guy that you saw and that

969
00:54:44,560 --> 00:54:46,960
Speaker 1: you believed in and everybody else didn't you, Like, I'm

970
00:54:47,000 --> 00:54:50,640
Speaker 1: telling you this kid can play, and and everybody else said,

971
00:54:50,640 --> 00:54:54,719
Speaker 1: you're in your nuts. Well, I think the one that

972
00:54:54,800 --> 00:54:59,120
Speaker 1: I probably caught crap about was um that not everybody

973
00:54:59,120 --> 00:55:01,600
Speaker 1: said couldn't play. Well, let me think about this. Well,

974
00:55:01,640 --> 00:55:03,720
Speaker 1: Pierce would have been one of those guys, because Pierce

975
00:55:03,800 --> 00:55:06,520
Speaker 1: really didn't have a lot of skill. You know, you're

976
00:55:06,600 --> 00:55:11,200
Speaker 1: like twelve points and eight rebounds in high school and um,

977
00:55:11,239 --> 00:55:12,839
Speaker 1: you know so a lot of people like, no way

978
00:55:12,880 --> 00:55:18,120
Speaker 1: can he play and he could really play. Yep. Are hard.

979
00:55:18,160 --> 00:55:20,400
Speaker 1: Those guys are hard, the guys that are just basketball players,

980
00:55:20,400 --> 00:55:21,799
Speaker 1: but they just don't load up with the with the

981
00:55:21,840 --> 00:55:24,920
Speaker 1: scoring stats. Those guys are hard. There's there's no scouting

982
00:55:25,040 --> 00:55:26,759
Speaker 1: for do you know all he doesn't come up in

983
00:55:26,840 --> 00:55:29,680
Speaker 1: the blall. Like I said, Ben Woodside was a kid

984
00:55:29,760 --> 00:55:32,719
Speaker 1: that was a terrific guard that a couple of my

985
00:55:32,719 --> 00:55:36,000
Speaker 1: assistants were on as a flat jumper, this that and

986
00:55:36,040 --> 00:55:40,040
Speaker 1: the other thing, and and he um, and he was,

987
00:55:40,680 --> 00:55:46,480
Speaker 1: you know great. He was all time leader and scoring assists,

988
00:55:47,080 --> 00:55:50,840
Speaker 1: second assist person steel. Yeah, he was. He was a

989
00:55:50,880 --> 00:55:52,200
Speaker 1: great He was a great player. I think he played

990
00:55:52,200 --> 00:55:54,239
Speaker 1: in New Zealand last. I think he's he's done though, right,

991
00:55:54,360 --> 00:55:58,560
Speaker 1: He's like he's done touring Achilles, he's married, having kids,

992
00:55:59,640 --> 00:56:02,359
Speaker 1: running champs and stuff like that. You're doing a heck

993
00:56:02,400 --> 00:56:05,839
Speaker 1: of a job. Well, listen, I've taken up too much

994
00:56:05,840 --> 00:56:07,720
Speaker 1: of your time already. I'd love to do this again.

995
00:56:08,360 --> 00:56:10,200
Speaker 1: Mid season I'm gonna see your boy, Craig Smith in

996
00:56:10,239 --> 00:56:15,719
Speaker 1: about a week. A week or so, Antonio, I'm on

997
00:56:15,760 --> 00:56:20,080
Speaker 1: the second hole, already made one, Bogy. I'm playing golf,

998
00:56:21,880 --> 00:56:24,160
Speaker 1: all right, You go play golf. Thanks for joining mine,

999
00:56:24,160 --> 00:56:28,080
Speaker 1: all right, but be sure to catch the live edition

1000
00:56:28,120 --> 00:56:30,880
Speaker 1: of The Doug gott Leap Show weekdays at three p m.

1001
00:56:30,920 --> 00:56:36,160
Speaker 1: Easter noon Pacific. We get to the NBA, and I

1002
00:56:36,200 --> 00:56:40,080
Speaker 1: know everybody's focused on Lebron this triple double streak. It's

1003
00:56:40,080 --> 00:56:42,239
Speaker 1: been impressive, with the exception of the fact that he

1004
00:56:42,280 --> 00:56:44,680
Speaker 1: shot like crap against San Antonio, and like nobody points

1005
00:56:44,680 --> 00:56:46,759
Speaker 1: it out, like let's not do the triple double thing

1006
00:56:46,840 --> 00:56:50,800
Speaker 1: like we did with Russell Westbrook. Instead, let's point out

1007
00:56:50,920 --> 00:56:53,840
Speaker 1: that as they developed their bench and that helps with

1008
00:56:53,920 --> 00:56:57,080
Speaker 1: Kuzma coming back, that helps the Caruso now working his

1009
00:56:57,120 --> 00:57:00,319
Speaker 1: way into the rotation that they're come back against the bulls,

1010
00:57:00,320 --> 00:57:01,560
Speaker 1: and the bulls are going to be the bulls and

1011
00:57:01,600 --> 00:57:03,600
Speaker 1: give up a sixteen oh run and take bad shots

1012
00:57:03,680 --> 00:57:07,280
Speaker 1: and and not call timeouts because they're trying to learn something.

1013
00:57:08,120 --> 00:57:10,040
Speaker 1: One it's the bulls, but two, it was the bench

1014
00:57:10,080 --> 00:57:11,920
Speaker 1: that brought them back in that game. I think he's

1015
00:57:12,080 --> 00:57:15,920
Speaker 1: Lebron's playing good ball. He's not as bouncy defensively nearly

1016
00:57:15,960 --> 00:57:17,800
Speaker 1: as he used to be. He does play a lot

1017
00:57:17,840 --> 00:57:20,800
Speaker 1: of bullyball, both in transition and the half court. Shooting

1018
00:57:20,800 --> 00:57:22,760
Speaker 1: the ball pretty well obviously, with the exception of that

1019
00:57:22,800 --> 00:57:26,840
Speaker 1: San Antonio game when he started missing his free throws again. Um,

1020
00:57:26,880 --> 00:57:28,720
Speaker 1: he's doing a better job of not leaving his feet

1021
00:57:28,760 --> 00:57:32,280
Speaker 1: to pass as he was early in the season. Six

1022
00:57:32,320 --> 00:57:36,000
Speaker 1: games or seven games in, Like, they're pretty good, and

1023
00:57:36,240 --> 00:57:40,480
Speaker 1: I wonder if they need Rondo at all. I think

1024
00:57:40,480 --> 00:57:43,000
Speaker 1: they need Iguadala and he won't play a ton in

1025
00:57:43,000 --> 00:57:46,080
Speaker 1: the regular season. You know, they can play him some,

1026
00:57:46,240 --> 00:57:48,920
Speaker 1: not play him some, but he's a championship player and

1027
00:57:48,920 --> 00:57:52,480
Speaker 1: they need those hybrid guys. But I I don't think

1028
00:57:52,560 --> 00:57:55,520
Speaker 1: Rondo is that guy. I really like what Crusoe has

1029
00:57:55,560 --> 00:57:58,840
Speaker 1: brought to the table. Kemba has been good. But what

1030
00:57:58,920 --> 00:58:01,600
Speaker 1: do we tell you about gore in Hayward's leg and

1031
00:58:01,640 --> 00:58:04,000
Speaker 1: Gordon haywards rehab. It's a lot like Paul George that

1032
00:58:04,040 --> 00:58:06,880
Speaker 1: first year back is a mess. And now look at

1033
00:58:06,920 --> 00:58:10,520
Speaker 1: how well he's played. The Lakers. I mean, I think

1034
00:58:10,520 --> 00:58:13,280
Speaker 1: they're really good. Um, I do think that they need

1035
00:58:13,360 --> 00:58:16,920
Speaker 1: to manage Lebron's minutes. This idea of proving to everybody

1036
00:58:16,920 --> 00:58:19,479
Speaker 1: how great they are. You're beating bad teams right now.

1037
00:58:20,080 --> 00:58:22,880
Speaker 1: It's good to to to get the culture of winning,

1038
00:58:23,600 --> 00:58:25,600
Speaker 1: but you don't want to wear yourself out in November

1039
00:58:25,760 --> 00:58:28,200
Speaker 1: when you need you in May. And I think the

1040
00:58:28,240 --> 00:58:30,880
Speaker 1: development of the benches is important. I think they're out.

1041
00:58:31,000 --> 00:58:34,680
Speaker 1: They'll add Andrea Goodala and they'll be right there. I'm

1042
00:58:34,680 --> 00:58:38,280
Speaker 1: not totally convinced that the Clippers are a perfect team.

1043
00:58:38,400 --> 00:58:40,520
Speaker 1: You know, like Kenya, start and win a championship with

1044
00:58:40,520 --> 00:58:42,680
Speaker 1: Pat Beverley. I love Pat Beverley is a junkyard dog,

1045
00:58:42,680 --> 00:58:45,320
Speaker 1: but can you win a championship with Pat Beverley's you're

1046
00:58:45,320 --> 00:58:48,080
Speaker 1: starting guard. I don't don't know if that's actually the case.

1047
00:58:48,840 --> 00:58:52,080
Speaker 1: So they may need some more additions. We'll see. Um.

1048
00:58:52,120 --> 00:58:54,200
Speaker 1: Obviously they're gonna be different when the add Paul George

1049
00:58:54,640 --> 00:58:57,440
Speaker 1: and they get quiet Letter, you know, consistently those two together,

1050
00:58:57,440 --> 00:58:59,280
Speaker 1: How does that look. It's a lot of offense and

1051
00:58:59,320 --> 00:59:01,840
Speaker 1: they're both good defense ners. The last thing is this,

1052
00:59:02,280 --> 00:59:08,200
Speaker 1: I just I think that the Houston Rockets are continuing

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Speaker 1: down a path of destruction right It's like a friend

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Speaker 1: who you have a path of he's on a path

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Speaker 1: of destruction. You keep telling him like, hey, dude, you're

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Speaker 1: on a path of destruction. No, no no, I'm fine. You're

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Speaker 1: on a path of destruction. No no no, I'm fine. And

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Speaker 1: sure enough, they're on the path of destruction. That's them.

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Speaker 1: They don't play any defense. They got rid of the

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Speaker 1: time of the coaching staff. There's no equity, sweat equity

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Speaker 1: with these guys. You brought in Russell Westbrook, who's not

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Speaker 1: the defender of Chris Paul. Could he be, yes, but

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Speaker 1: he hasn't been. Just because he makes mean faces and

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Speaker 1: rocks the baby when he goes doesn't mean that he's

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Speaker 1: he competes and plays defense. Harden doesn't play defense. You know,

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Speaker 1: they've they've lost a lot of their their defensive identity

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Speaker 1: and the coaching staff and D'Antoni he doesn't even care.

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Speaker 1: So I just I'm sitting there thinking it's Lakers Clippers, Utah. Yo.

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Speaker 1: Kid seems a little bit off, maybe worn down by

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Speaker 1: how much basketball he's played. I mean's he's been dead.

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Speaker 1: I said, Utah, Denver and Utah. It's just not outside

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Speaker 1: of Donovan Mitchell, do they have enough? And I don't

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Speaker 1: think the answer is yes, a nuisance team that will

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Speaker 1: win a game or two in a big playoff series,

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Speaker 1: but not gonna beat you in the playoff series. UM,

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Speaker 1: I got more for you on college basketball in the coming.

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Speaker 1: In the weeks to come, we always have a great guest,

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Speaker 1: We'll have more insight. I want to see more teams

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Speaker 1: play like I get that some people do previews, and

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Speaker 1: that's fine. I like to watch something and tell you

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Speaker 1: something you might not might have missed. Fair good. Make

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