Speaker 1: What's that at the foot of my bed. It's spooky.
Speaker 1: Hey juky, I'm really sure it's dead. It's coming this way.
Speaker 2: Wait a minute, I said, I.
Speaker 1: Go Nandez.
Speaker 2: Police.
Speaker 1: Hey boo, it's me Ros and welcome to Ghosted by
Speaker 1: Rose Hernandez, the podcast where I talk to people that
Speaker 1: I like about their thoughts and experiences with the paranormal.
Speaker 1: And let me tell you this time, I mean I
Speaker 1: always say that same thing. Oh, I talk to people
Speaker 1: that are like, well, sometimes I don't mean it. No,
Speaker 1: I'm kidding. I'm kidding. I'm kidding. I always have on
Speaker 1: people that I like. But this time, oh my god,
Speaker 1: I'm so starstruck because I got to talk to Ts Madison,
Speaker 1: who I have never met before. I have been a
Speaker 1: fan for years. If you don't know Ts Madison, hop
Speaker 1: on the Googles, get to it. There's a lot out there.
Speaker 1: She is one of my favorite people to follow. She
Speaker 1: is a favorite on RuPaul's Drag Race as a judge.
Speaker 1: You got to watch when she goes live on her
Speaker 1: social media. It is so entertaining and she really brings it. Today.
Speaker 1: These stories that we hear today are unlike others that
Speaker 1: I've heard from a guest on the show and I'm obsessed.
Speaker 1: Before we get into that, it's the holiday times and
Speaker 1: if you're a fan of mine, I wanted to tell
Speaker 1: you that there's some holiday gifts you could get yourself.
Speaker 1: First up, the new Ghosted by Ross Hernandez sweater is
Speaker 1: now available. Super cute. Love the artwork. The team at
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Speaker 1: I mean it has a picture of me on it.
Speaker 2: It's so cute.
Speaker 1: You yes, yeah, that is linked on our social media's
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Speaker 1: Uh in the link in the bio, you can also
Speaker 1: find I am going to be doing some limited edition polaroids.
Speaker 1: You know, I like to take some polaroids. I got
Speaker 1: some polaroids. I'm signing them with some of my signature looks.
Speaker 1: These are one of a kind gifts that are reasonably priced.
Speaker 1: If you would like one of those a great stocking
Speaker 1: stuff for you can get those there. And I'm also
Speaker 1: on cameo. One of my favorite things to give people
Speaker 1: as gifts is cameos. And if you want to give
Speaker 1: the gift of a cameo for me, I'd be happy
Speaker 1: to do it. You know, a nice personalized video message
Speaker 1: for yourself or someone else or whatever. So yeah, all
Speaker 1: that is in the link in my bio on Instagram. Okay,
Speaker 1: let's get to the fun part. Here's my conversation with
Speaker 1: Ts Madison and with the show. I don't believe it.
Speaker 1: I am joined by someone that has made me star
Speaker 1: struck on this morning. Ts Madison. Hi, Oh my god,
Speaker 1: Hey boo.
Speaker 2: What's up, baby? What's up?
Speaker 1: I love you so much?
Speaker 2: Oh my goodness. That makes me feel so good, Like
Speaker 2: I really feel like that I've actually done something in
Speaker 2: life when someone tells me that they love me.
Speaker 1: I love you, and I feel like I've spent so
Speaker 1: many hours listening to you on Live truly, like no
Speaker 1: specific topic, You're just doing whatever, and it's so entertaining.
Speaker 1: I love your takes on everything. And so when I
Speaker 1: think about one of my favorite things to talk about,
Speaker 1: ghosts and all of this sort of thing, I'm like,
Speaker 1: I can only imagine what Ts Medisine has to say.
Speaker 1: On this topic.
Speaker 2: Well, listen, First of all, I'm a Libra.
Speaker 1: Me too.
Speaker 2: You're a Libra. Oh my god, girl, look at us.
Speaker 2: We are libras. We are naturally part of the divine,
Speaker 2: like naturally, that's a natural thing. And not only are
Speaker 2: we a natural part of the divine, we are naturally bruhas. Yes,
Speaker 2: that comes, you know, with the territory of being a bruhah.
Speaker 2: As you can see, I'm sitting here fixing one of
Speaker 2: my oils into some body butter because you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it looks like you are doing some kind of
Speaker 1: potion work. It looks like you got a little cauldron there.
Speaker 2: No, it's just a little it's a little kid. It's
Speaker 2: the lotion that I'm using. The bodyboard of us is
Speaker 2: called afrodijiad, and I just put a little oil I
Speaker 2: found online. I don't know how I stumbled across. And
Speaker 2: it's called come in me, I mean come to me,
Speaker 2: I mean come for me oil. Because it's nearing the season, honey,
Speaker 2: that I need to be mounted like a like a
Speaker 2: horse and written into my new year of my birth
Speaker 2: of my birth year.
Speaker 1: Girl, Nay, are you into like astrology and that sort
Speaker 1: of a thing.
Speaker 2: Being that I was raised so deeply into the church.
Speaker 2: You know that stuff is for bitting, honey, when you're
Speaker 2: a Christian.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so you know.
Speaker 2: But because I've broken away from the chains of being
Speaker 2: bound by the specific type of way that you have
Speaker 2: to have a relationship with the Divine, I'm open to
Speaker 2: explore many different possibilities of you know, what's outside of
Speaker 2: what I was taught. You know, why can't can I
Speaker 2: learned something else? So why can't I know something else?
Speaker 2: Why why do I have to just know this way?
Speaker 2: Can I not know all the ways of the Fourth?
Speaker 3: Yes?
Speaker 1: Absolutely? Which type of Christian? Were you?
Speaker 2: Baptist? Ernie? Yeah, I'm originally from Miami, Florida. I moved
Speaker 2: here to Atlanta maybe about twenty three, twenty four years ago,
Speaker 2: and I was young then, I'm still young. I just
Speaker 2: have a little another number at the end and another
Speaker 2: number in the front. And I've always been I don't know, like,
Speaker 2: have you ever are you? Were you raised Church Catholic?
Speaker 1: Oh?
Speaker 2: Catholics? It's different. I was raised Baptists. So it's just
Speaker 2: even though it's still all saying, it's still the same
Speaker 2: ritual shit.
Speaker 1: But what's like the belief of that stuff? Like if
Speaker 1: ghosts come up or I don't know, demon, it's all demons.
Speaker 2: Everything is a demon. It's a demon, it's evil, it's
Speaker 2: you know. I'm like, but how like, how is it
Speaker 2: a demon? Could it not be your love with If
Speaker 2: it's not the Holy ghost, it's a demon?
Speaker 1: Right, right, I've heard that. I always see a parallel
Speaker 1: between that and LGBTQ people, you know, like it's misunderstood,
Speaker 1: it's bad, it's a demon, it's whatever. And I don't know,
Speaker 1: I think maybe it's from my own experience or whatever
Speaker 1: where I realized like, wait a minute, this isn't bad.
Speaker 1: Like once I was younger and I started meeting different
Speaker 1: kinds of people, I'm like, wait, this aren't These people
Speaker 1: aren't evil?
Speaker 2: Yeah, like what are you talking about? Like? How can
Speaker 2: I just get how did this cycle? Lady just tell
Speaker 2: me that. I was like, you know, gonna find fifty
Speaker 2: dollars on the ground. And I found fifty dollars on
Speaker 2: the ground, So how is that evil? That she just
Speaker 2: blessed me?
Speaker 1: Do you go to psychics?
Speaker 2: I have I get readings?
Speaker 1: How has that been?
Speaker 2: Some of it is accurate? Some of it I'm waiting
Speaker 2: forward to manifest right. Also, astrology is just something that
Speaker 2: I'm reading into because I've recently let somebody read my
Speaker 2: birth chart and when they reveal whatever they revealed to
Speaker 2: me about mercury and something being in some nighthouse and
Speaker 2: this one, I don't understand none of that shit. I
Speaker 2: was just told that the path that I'm on is
Speaker 2: the path that I was supposed to be on, because
Speaker 2: this rules this And the reason why I got into
Speaker 2: sex work was because it was in my chart. And
Speaker 2: I'm like, what the fuck you know? And so I'm
Speaker 2: not I'm not afraid of it, like my mom is
Speaker 2: read myself, don't do that stuff. Don't shoot, don't choot,
Speaker 2: touch it. The Bible says so for you, out of
Speaker 2: which to carry, and so you know, it's that type
Speaker 2: of stuff. But I'm open to readings. I'm open to
Speaker 2: reading my birth charts because I like want to know,
Speaker 2: like how can we walk on this earth? And the
Speaker 2: moon governs the waves, The moon governs the way that
Speaker 2: the ocean the waves crashed back and forth the ocean,
Speaker 2: and so I'm like, you mean to tell me, like
Speaker 2: us being born at a certain time on a certain
Speaker 2: day doesn't mean something like why can't we explore the
Speaker 2: meeting you know, right, And so here I am with
Speaker 2: being torn in between you know, my original faith and
Speaker 2: my not new faith, but being exploring.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I like your curiosity, very curious.
Speaker 2: Like I'm definitely gonna open the door and be like,
Speaker 2: what's that?
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I think my curiosity truly has gotten me through my
Speaker 2: trans life.
Speaker 3: I want to know, Like, I want to know how
Speaker 3: they react if I pulled my boobs out.
Speaker 1: There's only one way to find out we got.
Speaker 2: Boobs, you know. I think curiosity is you know, what
Speaker 2: keeps us. It's people like it keeps us going because
Speaker 2: we want to know. Could you be so dense to
Speaker 2: think that God created one planet and one thing and
Speaker 2: put us in the center of the universe and there's
Speaker 2: nothing but us?
Speaker 1: So that sounds like some alien talk we're getting into.
Speaker 2: Oh oh, I definitely believe that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, what about that little Mexican alien that they found
Speaker 1: a couple of weeks ago. Oh you know what, you know,
Speaker 1: be careful, that could be my to.
Speaker 2: You know, I don't know, to be honest, I don't know.
Speaker 2: I do believe that the things that we watch on TV,
Speaker 2: like Independence Day and all the fucking alienble Battlefield Earth
Speaker 2: and you know, all this stuff. I'm like, obviously, the
Speaker 2: human has been implanted, either for a dream, via thought
Speaker 2: or telepathically, has been implanted a vision of something for
Speaker 2: you to draw that and create that and then make
Speaker 2: it come forth on television, Like, girl, are you serious? Like, girl,
Speaker 2: you mean to tell me that you don't think that's
Speaker 2: something magnificent created the Pyramids or taught us how to
Speaker 2: do that, or Easter Island or all the great unexplained Stonehenge. Like,
Speaker 2: how can you explain these things?
Speaker 1: Yeah, you can't.
Speaker 2: Didn't We didn't have the technology to do that.
Speaker 1: That's what's so fun, though, is these things we can't explain.
Speaker 2: Yes, which keeps us curious.
Speaker 1: There we go. Have you had moments in your own
Speaker 1: life that you're like, I can there's no explanation other
Speaker 1: than this is something.
Speaker 2: Oh honey, my whole entire life rise. Yeah, the entirety
Speaker 2: of my life.
Speaker 1: Tell me about that, all right, So let's just talk
Speaker 1: about it.
Speaker 2: So everybody knows me, knows that I'm a big advocate
Speaker 2: for sex work, sex work, sex workers, because that is
Speaker 2: the part that is a piece of fabric in the
Speaker 2: great quilt that covers Tis Madison. Yeah, back twenty years ago,
Speaker 2: you know, like, there's no way you're gonna be on
Speaker 2: TV with that. There's no way you're gonna be on TV.
Speaker 2: There's no way you're gonna have a TV show. There's
Speaker 2: no way you're gonna have it. Like, there's no way
Speaker 2: that any of this stumb is gonna happen. For anybody
Speaker 2: that has sucked the dig on a video camera on
Speaker 2: it that it's not happening. Yeah, that's whether you're a
Speaker 2: cists or trains, it ain't happen. And then I'm black,
Speaker 2: So girl, that just makes it even freaking verse. You know,
Speaker 2: I don't know if it's God, if it's a higher authority,
Speaker 2: but whatever it is, I'm not supposed to be here.
Speaker 2: So that's an unexplained situation. And by being an unexplained situation,
Speaker 2: I've always felt that it was a part of divinity.
Speaker 2: And anything that's divine definitely comes from the outer limits.
Speaker 2: That's the way I feel. And so when I look
Speaker 2: at my whole entire life, my life has really been
Speaker 2: guided by a series of voices, voices that have spoken
Speaker 2: to me that have told me any video that you've
Speaker 2: ever seen go viral on me like viral videos. A
Speaker 2: voice I called it. The spirit distinctly said to me,
Speaker 2: do this, and I was like, okay, knew, we've twenty
Speaker 2: two inches. Yes, that viral video that really did a
Speaker 2: hard reset from my whole life, my whole career. Everybody
Speaker 2: remembers that no way, no way, twenty two it.
Speaker 1: Yes, once you see it, you'll never forget it.
Speaker 2: Right. And the video I said, come on in BDVs
Speaker 2: dot come. It was the front of my house and
Speaker 2: then the doorbell rang. I came to the door naked
Speaker 2: d Every like that is etched and burn. Those two
Speaker 2: videos are etched and burned into people's cranium. Uh girl.
Speaker 2: I remember specifically shooting those videos multiple times until the
Speaker 2: voice said to me, this is the one. Wow, this one,
Speaker 2: this is the video. Wow. And the moment I put
Speaker 2: it out.
Speaker 1: And it's life changing. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yes, I could take you through moments. I remember me
Speaker 2: being fourteen years old, sitting on the floor at my
Speaker 2: mom's grandparents' house and I hear the spirit tell me
Speaker 2: while I'm watching RuPaul Super Model of the World, you
Speaker 2: gotta work, honey, work turned to the left, turned the rights.
Speaker 2: I shay shunjay, that's gonna be your friend, and you're
Speaker 2: gonna work together one day and I'm like, who the
Speaker 2: fuck said that? Who said that? Who said who said that? Whatever?
Speaker 2: And here we are, we big a judge on Drag Race. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I'm intertwined with ru Paul, our host Bring Back My Girls,
Speaker 2: the reunion shows. I'm just intertwined. World of Wonder is
Speaker 2: the people that created my own television show. Wow. You
Speaker 2: know so, I gotta tell you this one. The video
Speaker 2: that Beyonce used for Cozy that she sampled. I remember
Speaker 2: the voice telling me it spoke directly to me and said, bitch,
Speaker 2: go downstairs. Put on that nappy ass fuckingfro wig. Go
Speaker 2: downstairs and rant, rant about how black you are, Rant
Speaker 2: about that girl being beaten in the gas station, iron
Speaker 2: a door, read about George Floyd, read about how your
Speaker 2: people don't make you feel accept it, just do it
Speaker 2: and go now, put on that wig, put on that
Speaker 2: cheetah outfit, go downstairs and do it.
Speaker 1: I mean it's all timing. It's like you have to
Speaker 1: do it now for this to work. And you listen
Speaker 1: and two three years later, boom, it's in a Beyonce song,
Speaker 1: A big one Yes.
Speaker 2: And chase the whole trajectory of my life again again
Speaker 2: nobody can tell me that the unknown, the supernatural, the alien.
Speaker 2: No one can tell me that it does not exist,
Speaker 2: because my whole existence is based off of its existence
Speaker 2: and not just intuition telling me or a gut feeling
Speaker 2: and telling me something speaking directly to me, guiding me
Speaker 2: to do this and to do that.
Speaker 1: So you consider this the divine? I mean, do you
Speaker 1: do you know exactly who it is? Is it an
Speaker 1: ancestor is it like it's just whatever, you know, some
Speaker 1: kind of benevolent presence that all knowing where.
Speaker 2: Whatever it is, it's benevolent because it definitely wants me
Speaker 2: to do something, and it wants me to be either
Speaker 2: a leader for my people or abridging the gap between
Speaker 2: from my people and I say my people black people
Speaker 2: gave people, trans people, you know, people, human people. Whatever
Speaker 2: it is, it's telling me to do the things at
Speaker 2: the moment that it's telling me to do it and
Speaker 2: sending me out when it does it, it already knows
Speaker 2: what it's going to be connected to or attached to
Speaker 2: that's going to change and shift the dynamics of something.
Speaker 1: Sometimes I go crazy thinking about life like that, but
Speaker 1: I do think that, like the script is written, sometimes
Speaker 1: like already, like they already know, you know, when you
Speaker 1: were fourteen something. Some presence seems to know that at
Speaker 1: a certain point you will work with ru Paul Like
Speaker 1: it's just so, it's crazy. I don't know.
Speaker 2: Yes, and it does know, but it has to tell
Speaker 2: you to do it. It has to speak to you,
Speaker 2: so you inactivate right today tomorrow. And sometimes we can
Speaker 2: throw it off by not listening, and we can delay
Speaker 2: something and still have to meet it again.
Speaker 1: Yeah, do not listen sometimes I have.
Speaker 2: It has been a few couple of times that I
Speaker 2: haven't listened. Yeah, And I was like, why the fuck
Speaker 2: am I going through this stuff all over again? Oh? Okay,
Speaker 2: it was for this reason right here. Yeah, I'll tell
Speaker 2: you what I can give you an example. I was
Speaker 2: dating this guy and I had a dream. I dreamed
Speaker 2: I saw him. I saw him with my eyes, cheating
Speaker 2: on me with somebody that didn't like me, right, And
Speaker 2: I got up called his phone and I said, hey,
Speaker 2: whatever you're doing, it's uncovered. I know what it is. Bitch.
Speaker 2: You can't lie to me about it. Fuck it, tell
Speaker 2: me the truth. He said, what are you talking about? Like,
Speaker 2: we don't come talk to me with this crazy shit.
Speaker 2: And I don't know what the hell you're talking about. No, no,
Speaker 2: d d da lah Fine tried to play me like
Speaker 2: I was fucking crazy. Anyway, he ended up getting arrested.
Speaker 2: And mind you, this is like right after the dream job,
Speaker 2: like a couple of days later he went to prison.
Speaker 2: He called me from prison. Then after that, while he
Speaker 2: was in prison, we were talking or whatever. He got.
Speaker 2: He got sentenced in like twenty something years. He ended
Speaker 2: up doing twelve of those twenty right, So I was
Speaker 2: still talking to him, dating him during the twelve years. Well,
Speaker 2: I said, okay, I'm gonna forgive you whatever you know
Speaker 2: and we'll get back together. I'll just said water on
Speaker 2: the bridge, I know you. Sorry, La la la la
Speaker 2: la la da liten gird. This is where it gets
Speaker 2: very interested. Okay. So nearing the ending part of his
Speaker 2: tenure in jail, like my career started to change. This
Speaker 2: stuff started happening to new Weed, all this stuff started
Speaker 2: to happen.
Speaker 1: This was all through twelve years.
Speaker 3: Yeah, this it started to happen like yeah, and my
Speaker 3: career started to change and change and change. So when
Speaker 3: it got down to and he got released, I didn't
Speaker 3: reconcile with him because like if just the spirit would
Speaker 3: not just let it happen, right, So I thought I
Speaker 3: lost him. I called him.
Speaker 2: We talked, you know, maybe a year or so after
Speaker 2: he got out, and I said, you know, I'm sorry
Speaker 2: I fumbled you. You know you're you're the best guy.
Speaker 2: Blah blah blah blah blah blah blah ah that shit.
Speaker 2: Fast forward to maybe three weeks ago. Okay, my makeup
Speaker 2: artist is Ina Frantic and he's telling me Madison, who
Speaker 2: this god keeps hitting me up on Instagram? And he's
Speaker 2: trying to talk to me and I'm like, who is
Speaker 2: the guy? He was like, and he said, you got
Speaker 2: a client that I know, he said, but I got
Speaker 2: a lot of clients, you know. When he showed me
Speaker 2: who it was, I was like wow.
Speaker 3: And it baffled me because I was like, bro, why
Speaker 3: would you try to talk to We weren't even no badter,
Speaker 3: We were still speaking and talking.
Speaker 2: I just spoke to him his birthday. I'm like, well,
Speaker 2: why would you try to talk or be flirted with?
Speaker 2: And he's a guy, Like, he's not even drying. He's
Speaker 2: a guy, which another thing I found out, Like, well, okay, whoo, anyway,
Speaker 2: that's another story, But it's like, why would.
Speaker 3: You try to talk to this guy behind my back
Speaker 3: knowing that he's my makeup artist and we traveled the
Speaker 3: Borad together.
Speaker 2: So what I learned from that was that was totally
Speaker 2: the spirit, the benevolent, the GUIDs, the whatever, keeping a
Speaker 2: distance because that person was detrimental to me somewhere in
Speaker 2: my trajectory in my either there or there or there.
Speaker 2: He couldn't be here, Madison. He can't be here Madison
Speaker 2: at all. Imagine me being with him and he having
Speaker 2: those same vow intentions and fucking on somebody in my circle.
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: How am I going to be able to do the
Speaker 2: will of the one? How am I able to do
Speaker 2: the will of the benevolent? How am I able to
Speaker 2: do the will of the great? If I'm sad and
Speaker 2: hurt and can't because that would have sickened me?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Are you? I mean as well as the voice
Speaker 1: that you hear? Are you? Like everything happens for a
Speaker 1: reason the right place, right time? Like is that something
Speaker 1: that you read into?
Speaker 2: I do? But I'm most definitely more so feel that
Speaker 2: I'm more guided.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because I mean I've been that way with relationships too,
Speaker 1: where I'm like God, I'm so attracted to this person,
Speaker 1: but something gets in the way to the point where
Speaker 1: I'm like, I should probably listen to the universe or whatever,
Speaker 1: like this is not easy, and I feel like if
Speaker 1: this was meant to be, it'd be a lot easier.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, guess what. They don't supposed to be in
Speaker 2: your life. Yeah, obviously this person was not supposed to
Speaker 2: be in my life because I dreamed it. Then he
Speaker 2: denied it. Then once we talked about it while he
Speaker 2: was in prison, he's like, you know, I'm so sorry.
Speaker 2: How did you find out? He says, I really didn't
Speaker 2: believe you at first when you told me you dreamed
Speaker 2: that stuff, but you were so adamant about it, like
Speaker 2: and then then when you foretold me something else because
Speaker 2: I told him he was going to go to jail. Yes,
Speaker 2: I told him that the spirit told me that you
Speaker 2: were going to be shackled very soon. He was like,
Speaker 2: I don't, like, don't come talking to me. Are you crazy?
Speaker 2: I'm like, no, I'm not crazy. I heard this.
Speaker 1: So at what point does a person call themselves psychic?
Speaker 1: Because I feel like I feel like you are.
Speaker 2: Psychic, honey girl, I don't think it's psychic.
Speaker 1: There's some psychics where their whole thing is just not
Speaker 1: like some spirit tells them everything and they just say it,
Speaker 1: and then you pay them. I don't think that the
Speaker 1: spirit gets any of the money, but you pay the person.
Speaker 2: Where did they go, Like, did the spirit get it?
Speaker 2: What's the tea?
Speaker 1: Did they get ten percent or something? When it comes
Speaker 1: to like ghosts, have you ever had an experience where
Speaker 1: you think that was a ghost or you saw a
Speaker 1: ghosts or were at a place that was haunted.
Speaker 2: Okay, So I was getting ready to buy a house
Speaker 2: once and when I was getting ready to buy house.
Speaker 2: Before I bought this house, what happened was I was
Speaker 2: going around looking, you know, for places. And when I
Speaker 2: was looking for those places, I would go and when
Speaker 2: I got in the house, I'm like, oh I like this.
Speaker 2: I didn't like this. There was one house over here
Speaker 2: in Martha's Vineyard that's by my house over here. I
Speaker 2: was a nice house. I pulled up on a property.
Speaker 2: Like I like privacy. I'm very into private because I
Speaker 2: like to be naked outside, honey, I like to be
Speaker 2: at one with nature and oh with all nature, just naked. Yeah, girl,
Speaker 2: I walked in that house and I was like, I
Speaker 2: didn't like the energy in the house. I was like, ooh, honey.
Speaker 2: We were walking around and we got like to the
Speaker 2: edge of this basement door, the base it was. I
Speaker 2: was like, I don't need to see no more of
Speaker 2: the house. I just I don't, And so I got
Speaker 2: to get out of here.
Speaker 1: What did the realtors say, Dave, It's just like.
Speaker 2: What's wrong? I was like, girl, it's dark in here,
Speaker 2: like there's some stuff going on in either in this
Speaker 2: house or there's something in here. I can't live No.
Speaker 1: I saw one of your many lives. I mean, I've
Speaker 1: spent hours of my life listening to you. And I
Speaker 1: remember one with your mother where she woke you up
Speaker 1: in the middle of the night because she thought she
Speaker 1: heard someone in the house and she thought it might
Speaker 1: be a ghost. What was up with that?
Speaker 2: Now? This is the thing, though, was for her to
Speaker 2: be Christian and to believe in you know, God, the
Speaker 2: way she does. She's very she's very highly sensitive to it.
Speaker 2: It's crazy, like she knows that I like stuff out
Speaker 2: of the ordinary, Like I like a candle. I like
Speaker 2: me up a green candle to make me some money.
Speaker 2: In a heartbeat, Okay, let me get money, kntle, I'll
Speaker 2: buy me a come to me money, so that brings
Speaker 2: your money. Yes, she don't like any of that shit,
Speaker 2: like it's like none of that's going down. Okay, none
Speaker 2: of it, none of it. And she's very sensitive to it.
Speaker 2: And it's so funny that she says, Boo, I don't
Speaker 2: know what you're doing in this house. I don't know
Speaker 2: what it is. It better not be anything that's outside
Speaker 2: of what you believe aboutside of Christian because there's something
Speaker 2: in here.
Speaker 1: Okay. So she's convinced that maybe you conjured something. Well,
Speaker 1: maybe it's the money goes. Maybe it's some kind of ghost.
Speaker 1: So bring you money, come.
Speaker 2: On with it, brag it, go get it and brag
Speaker 2: it home to me.
Speaker 1: Okay, wait a second, I have I'm curious your take
Speaker 1: on something. We have a segment here we're typically. What
Speaker 1: I do is I go to eBay and I look
Speaker 1: at the haunted dolls that people sell and I found
Speaker 1: a doll that I want to ask you about your
Speaker 1: thoughts on This doll is not on eBay. It's a
Speaker 1: famous haunted doll. Can I show it to you? Is
Speaker 1: that something you'd be into?
Speaker 2: Yeah, let me see it.
Speaker 1: Okay, it's time for a segment I like to call
Speaker 1: the dolls are living okay jiha, can you throw up
Speaker 1: this doll please? This is Okei Ku.
Speaker 2: Oh.
Speaker 1: Now. Okeiku is in Japan, and the thing about Okiku
Speaker 1: is that her hair allegedly grows really so. In nineteen eighteen,
Speaker 1: Okei Ku was purchased by a young man for his
Speaker 1: two year old sister. And the sister's name was Okei Ku,
Speaker 1: and she was obsessed with this doll. She named her
Speaker 1: Okei Ku after herself, and sadly, the little girl passed
Speaker 1: away of a virus, but she was clutching the doll.
Speaker 1: She loved the doll, and the family wanted to bury
Speaker 1: her with the doll, but they couldn't, so they made
Speaker 1: a little altar to celebrate the daughter with the doll
Speaker 1: on it, and she had like a little bob haircut.
Speaker 1: And shortly after the daughter had died, her hair started growing.
Speaker 1: But the doll the doll, and the family started having
Speaker 1: dreams where Okiku was visiting them in the dreams and
Speaker 1: the house was just full unhaunted things were happening around
Speaker 1: the house. They decided to move away from the house
Speaker 1: and they gave the doll to a local temple and
Speaker 1: it's been on display in this temple in Japan, and
Speaker 1: her hair has grown well. When she first arrived, it
Speaker 1: grew ten inches and they actually have a priest that's
Speaker 1: assigned to cutting her hair. He says that he was
Speaker 1: visited in a dream by her and he was told
Speaker 1: that it was his duty to cut her hair. And
Speaker 1: people go visit her at a place it's called men
Speaker 1: Ge Temple, which is in Iwamazawa, Japan. And they also
Speaker 1: say that her mouth is slowly opening, and some people
Speaker 1: think that there's teeth growing inside of it. And her
Speaker 1: hair has been analyzed and it is indeed human hair.
Speaker 1: They say this was from Curious archive dot com. So
Speaker 1: do you believe this?
Speaker 2: I do?
Speaker 1: Okay? Now, could it get twenty two inches?
Speaker 2: Well, baby honey, if it's not twenty two inches a
Speaker 2: better baby, bitch, you're practically ball. That's the way it goes.
Speaker 1: So next time you're in Japan, maybe you might want
Speaker 1: to tell Okiku that yourself.
Speaker 2: I promise you I'll stop by to let her know. Girl,
Speaker 2: how do you better keep growing? Because you better know
Speaker 2: if your eight twenty two inches a better bitch, your practically.
Speaker 1: Ball Okay, can I play you two ghost voices allegedly?
Speaker 2: Sure?
Speaker 1: Okay, This is part of the show I call EVP
Speaker 1: or ev pase it stands for Electronic Voice Phenomenal. It's
Speaker 1: when ghost hunters capture what they believe to be a
Speaker 1: ghost speaking, and you see it a lot on these
Speaker 1: ghost hunting shows. Also people on YouTube and TikTok they
Speaker 1: love to post EVPs that they've found. So what I
Speaker 1: do is I find two of them from the internet
Speaker 1: and I will play them for you, and I want
Speaker 1: you to tell me what you hear, and then I'll
Speaker 1: give you a couple of options, with the correct answer
Speaker 1: being what they believe the ghost is saying.
Speaker 2: Okay, okay.
Speaker 1: So the first one was posted on you YouTube from
Speaker 1: Under the Moon Paranormal and it was at their house.
Speaker 1: What did this ghost say?
Speaker 2: Oh God, that sounds awful again?
Speaker 1: Okay, Well, there's horrible noise in the background, but there
Speaker 1: is a voice saying something.
Speaker 2: What is it saying? No? No, they sounded like a
Speaker 2: mattress going up and down where it goes up to
Speaker 2: the bed.
Speaker 1: Well, let me give you some options. Is it A
Speaker 1: I'm not pissed off? Is it B I like this
Speaker 1: dog Is it C, You're not my mom? That's very maury?
Speaker 1: Or is it D? I want pasta? Okay, let me
Speaker 1: play it again and guesses do it.
Speaker 2: Honey, I won't pasta.
Speaker 1: They believe it saying I like this dog. I mean
Speaker 1: I kind of hear it.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 1: Okay. Here's another one. This is from West Coast Paranormal
Speaker 1: and it was posted on YouTube. It's at a place
Speaker 1: called Sloan's Cottage in Lida, Western Australia. What is this
Speaker 1: ghost saying? Tis Madisonani? This one's more of a whisper.
Speaker 1: It's creepy.
Speaker 2: It sounds like a nameI.
Speaker 1: It's Bonnie. It's Bonnie. That's my name. It's Bonnie.
Speaker 2: It sounded like a Bonnie le Bonnie le' bonnie.
Speaker 1: That sounds like a fancy per hume or something I'm
Speaker 1: wearing Lebani.
Speaker 2: Yeah, this body maybe this body Donnie?
Speaker 1: Is it a support me? Is it b somebody? Is
Speaker 1: it C? It's a party? Or D Sabarro.
Speaker 2: It's definitely Dabarro.
Speaker 1: Maybe they were in the food court and they were hungry.
Speaker 2: It's borrow.
Speaker 1: They believe it is it's a party. Let me play
Speaker 1: it again. I mean it is an Australian accent, so
Speaker 1: I which I'm not going to access, but it's kind
Speaker 1: of it's a Potyi. I don't know.
Speaker 2: Lebon, but sister, what I'm telling you? Have you seen
Speaker 2: talk to me?
Speaker 1: I loved it.
Speaker 2: I did too. It explained to me when I light
Speaker 2: my cameras up. What's going on? Oh?
Speaker 1: Okay, so that what's running around your house at night?
Speaker 2: Yeah? So if you bitches is around here while its
Speaker 2: Caunter's burner, bitch, go get the buddy and bring it back.
Speaker 1: Maybe they want to be in your videos.
Speaker 2: Who know? Bring the money back, bitch.
Speaker 1: That's the content I want to see. Is you with
Speaker 1: a bunch of ghosts.
Speaker 2: Ah, what a gang bang? That'll be?
Speaker 1: Okay, let's real, quick, rapid fire. I'm just gonna throw
Speaker 1: some unexplainable things that you tell me. If you have
Speaker 1: any quick thoughts or stories or whatever.
Speaker 2: Oh, I'm ready.
Speaker 1: Bigfoot, Bigfoot, fate fake girl.
Speaker 2: Bigfoot is fake? You think you're a Bigfoot? Ain't real?
Speaker 1: I don't know what's real and what isn't real. I
Speaker 1: can't say, but it's fate fath. I will leave it
Speaker 1: up to you. Honestly, whatever you say goes for me,
Speaker 1: what do you think of past lives?
Speaker 2: Real?
Speaker 1: Okay?
Speaker 2: And I do believe that's probably who's talking to me?
Speaker 1: Is me you from the past, yeah okay, or it
Speaker 1: could be you from the future.
Speaker 2: Maybe could be.
Speaker 1: What about Wiji boards?
Speaker 2: Yes, I had an experience with one when I was
Speaker 2: in seventh grade.
Speaker 1: What happened?
Speaker 2: A kid brought it to school. It was a free
Speaker 2: day and we were around it and that bench was
Speaker 2: moving around. I was like, hey, I never touched it again, though, Yeah,
Speaker 2: they creep me out now a lot of candle, but
Speaker 2: I won't touch a weigie board.
Speaker 1: And that's something I mean, people are so terrified at
Speaker 1: wigi birds and I am too a little bit. But
Speaker 1: some people would argue, yeah, it's kind of all the
Speaker 1: same thing, Like.
Speaker 2: I mean, it could be, but I personally don't think
Speaker 2: that because I don't know. Maybe because that's what I've
Speaker 2: been taught.
Speaker 1: Then it starts well to me Wigi boards or like
Speaker 1: the Internet, like I will listen to something that I trust,
Speaker 1: like your spirit. You obviously have a lot of reason
Speaker 1: to trust them. It's almost like it's someone you know.
Speaker 1: But going on a Ouiji board, it's like going on
Speaker 1: the Internet and being like, who wants to talk and
Speaker 1: you don't know who the hell's gonna come through.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't want to do it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't blame you.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: What do you think about time travel? Do you think
Speaker 1: it's possible?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 1: Do you think? Okay, sometimes on the Internet people will
Speaker 1: be like, I am coming back from the year twenty
Speaker 1: seventy and here's what happens. Do you think that's something
Speaker 1: like that as possible?
Speaker 2: H to a degree, because I'm like, bitch, well why
Speaker 2: did you come back? Girl? Just stay there, girl, just
Speaker 2: stay You got to relive this shit all the way
Speaker 2: back over again. Uh huh, girl, just stay there. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it's just stayed. Just say listen if I went into
Speaker 2: the future and it will sit back girl. Uh, I
Speaker 2: got to do all this stuff over no.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Like sometimes people will ask that if you could
Speaker 1: do your twenties over again, would you do it? No?
Speaker 2: No? Well, yeah I do some of my twenties olies, Okay,
Speaker 2: Oh I had some good times babies. Yes, some of
Speaker 2: my twenties I do baking. Well.
Speaker 1: I'm still thinking about literally when we first started this
Speaker 1: conversation and you were talking about just your life trajectory,
Speaker 1: and I think about that kind of thing all the time.
Speaker 1: And I also think about like, like, first of all,
Speaker 1: it's a miracle that any of us are still alive, like,
Speaker 1: or there's a reason that any of us are still alive,
Speaker 1: especially when we know so many people that die over
Speaker 1: the years. Yes, but I also think about like sixth sense.
Speaker 1: I don't know that it's necessarily psychic, but I definitely
Speaker 1: think that people that are trans people of color, like
Speaker 1: we have like a heightened awareness of our surroundings. I mean,
Speaker 1: would you agree with that wholeheartedly?
Speaker 2: Yeah, especially trans people, because we are messed with the
Speaker 2: divine gave one specific to one and we're niched with
Speaker 2: it both and all of it. Yeah, there's no way
Speaker 2: that I want to walk through this world maneuvering through
Speaker 2: this world as a man, and there's no way that
Speaker 2: I want to maneuver through this world as a woman.
Speaker 2: I don't want to be either or I want to
Speaker 2: be the most and everything in between me.
Speaker 1: And there's so many cultures and so many times throughout
Speaker 1: history where people that are somewhere in the not binary
Speaker 1: gender variant people are viewed as being divine and having
Speaker 1: these heightened awarenesses and insights and whatever. And I fully
Speaker 1: believe that.
Speaker 2: Me too, fully with my whole everything everything.
Speaker 1: Tes Medicine. I'm so happy that you joined me. You're
Speaker 1: so busy and this has been truly a thrill of
Speaker 1: my life. This conversation got deep and I so appreciate it,
Speaker 1: Like you're just your willingness to be so open all
Speaker 1: the time and just you inspire me and you crack
Speaker 1: me up. And thank you, thank you.
Speaker 2: For having me. And I want to tell you congratulations
Speaker 2: on your show, honey. And when season two comes, I'm
Speaker 2: on the way. We'll we'll do this in person, honey.
Speaker 1: Oh I hope. So when you're in LA, we got
Speaker 1: to get together. Tell people where you want them to
Speaker 1: find you and what's going on.
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Speaker 2: Thank you?
Speaker 1: What's that green ghost walking around behind you?
Speaker 2: Hot?
Speaker 4: The buddy goes, Thank you so much to Tio's medicine Icon.
Speaker 1: Oh what amazing stories. Guys, Happy holidays, Thanks for listening
Speaker 1: all of your support. I will talk to you next week.
Speaker 1: I love you all, both living and dead. But if
Speaker 1: I didn't ask you to haunt me, don't haunt me.
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Speaker 1: producer is the startling Jiha Lee. Associate producer is the
Speaker 1: alarming Christina Chamberlain. This episode was mixed and sound designed
Speaker 1: by the Eerie Edson Choi. My guest booker is the
Speaker 1: petrifying Patrick Kuttner. Additional production support from the hair raising
Speaker 1: Hannah Kyle Crichton. My theme music is by the spine
Speaker 1: Chilling Brendan Lynch Salomon. Artwork by the Spooky Vanessa Lilac
Speaker 1: photography by the terrifying Elizabeth Karen. Executive produced by the
Speaker 1: chilling Karen Kilgareff, The Spooky, The Georgia Hardstart, and the
Speaker 1: frightening Danielle Kramer