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Speaker 1: Hey juky, I'm really sure it's dead. It's coming this way.

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Speaker 2: Wait a minute, I said, I.

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Speaker 1: Go Nandez.

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Speaker 2: Police.

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Speaker 1: Hey boo, it's me Ros and welcome to Ghosted by

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Speaker 1: Rose Hernandez, the podcast where I talk to people that

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Speaker 1: I like about their thoughts and experiences with the paranormal.

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Speaker 1: And let me tell you this time, I mean I

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Speaker 1: always say that same thing. Oh, I talk to people

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Speaker 1: that are like, well, sometimes I don't mean it. No,

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Speaker 1: I'm kidding. I'm kidding. I'm kidding. I always have on

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Speaker 1: people that I like. But this time, oh my god,

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Speaker 1: I'm so starstruck because I got to talk to Ts Madison,

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Speaker 1: who I have never met before. I have been a

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Speaker 1: fan for years. If you don't know Ts Madison, hop

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Speaker 1: on the Googles, get to it. There's a lot out there.

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Speaker 1: She is one of my favorite people to follow. She

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Speaker 1: is a favorite on RuPaul's Drag Race as a judge.

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Speaker 1: You got to watch when she goes live on her

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Speaker 1: social media. It is so entertaining and she really brings it. Today.

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Speaker 1: These stories that we hear today are unlike others that

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Speaker 1: I've heard from a guest on the show and I'm obsessed.

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Speaker 1: Before we get into that, it's the holiday times and

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Speaker 1: if you're a fan of mine, I wanted to tell

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Speaker 1: you that there's some holiday gifts you could get yourself.

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Speaker 1: First up, the new Ghosted by Ross Hernandez sweater is

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Speaker 1: now available. Super cute. Love the artwork. The team at

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Speaker 1: Exactly Right really pulled together the cutest sweater I've soon.

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Speaker 1: I mean it has a picture of me on it.

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Speaker 1: You yes, yeah, that is linked on our social media's

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Speaker 1: Ghosted by Ros or my personal one at roz Hernandez

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Speaker 1: on Instagram. Check that out. Get one for yourself, get

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Speaker 1: one for a loved one. Also, if you go to

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Speaker 1: my social media, which is just at roz Hernandez on Instagram.

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Speaker 1: Uh in the link in the bio, you can also

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Speaker 1: find I am going to be doing some limited edition polaroids.

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Speaker 1: You know, I like to take some polaroids. I got

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Speaker 1: some polaroids. I'm signing them with some of my signature looks.

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Speaker 1: These are one of a kind gifts that are reasonably priced.

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Speaker 1: If you would like one of those a great stocking

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Speaker 1: stuff for you can get those there. And I'm also

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Speaker 1: on cameo. One of my favorite things to give people

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Speaker 1: as gifts is cameos. And if you want to give

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Speaker 1: the gift of a cameo for me, I'd be happy

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Speaker 1: to do it. You know, a nice personalized video message

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Speaker 1: for yourself or someone else or whatever. So yeah, all

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Speaker 1: that is in the link in my bio on Instagram. Okay,

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Speaker 1: let's get to the fun part. Here's my conversation with

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Speaker 1: Ts Madison and with the show. I don't believe it.

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Speaker 1: I am joined by someone that has made me star

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Speaker 1: struck on this morning. Ts Madison. Hi, Oh my god,

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Speaker 1: Hey boo.

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Speaker 2: What's up, baby? What's up?

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Speaker 1: I love you so much?

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Speaker 2: Oh my goodness. That makes me feel so good, Like

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Speaker 2: I really feel like that I've actually done something in

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Speaker 2: life when someone tells me that they love me.

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Speaker 1: I love you, and I feel like I've spent so

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Speaker 1: many hours listening to you on Live truly, like no

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Speaker 1: specific topic, You're just doing whatever, and it's so entertaining.

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Speaker 1: I love your takes on everything. And so when I

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Speaker 1: think about one of my favorite things to talk about,

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Speaker 1: ghosts and all of this sort of thing, I'm like,

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Speaker 1: I can only imagine what Ts Medisine has to say.

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Speaker 1: On this topic.

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Speaker 2: Well, listen, First of all, I'm a Libra.

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Speaker 1: Me too.

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Speaker 2: You're a Libra. Oh my god, girl, look at us.

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Speaker 2: We are libras. We are naturally part of the divine,

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Speaker 2: like naturally, that's a natural thing. And not only are

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Speaker 2: we a natural part of the divine, we are naturally bruhas. Yes,

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Speaker 2: that comes, you know, with the territory of being a bruhah.

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Speaker 2: As you can see, I'm sitting here fixing one of

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it looks like you are doing some kind of

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Speaker 2: the lotion that I'm using. The bodyboard of us is

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Speaker 2: it's called come in me, I mean come to me,

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Speaker 2: I mean come for me oil. Because it's nearing the season, honey,

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Speaker 2: that I need to be mounted like a like a

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Speaker 1: Girl, Nay, are you into like astrology and that sort

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Speaker 2: But because I've broken away from the chains of being

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Speaker 2: to have a relationship with the Divine, I'm open to

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Speaker 2: explore many different possibilities of you know, what's outside of

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Speaker 2: Why why do I have to just know this way?

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Speaker 2: Can I not know all the ways of the Fourth?

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Speaker 1: Absolutely? Which type of Christian? Were you?

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Speaker 2: Baptist? Ernie? Yeah, I'm originally from Miami, Florida. I moved

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Speaker 2: Catholics? It's different. I was raised Baptists. So it's just

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Speaker 2: even though it's still all saying, it's still the same

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Speaker 1: But what's like the belief of that stuff? Like if

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Speaker 1: ghosts come up or I don't know, demon, it's all demons.

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Speaker 2: Everything is a demon. It's a demon, it's evil, it's

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Speaker 2: you know. I'm like, but how like, how is it

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Speaker 2: it's not the Holy ghost, it's a demon?

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Speaker 1: it's bad, it's a demon, it's whatever. And I don't know,

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Speaker 1: Do you go to psychics?

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Speaker 2: I have I get readings?

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Speaker 1: How has that been?

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Speaker 2: Some of it is accurate? Some of it I'm waiting

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Speaker 2: I'm reading into because I've recently let somebody read my

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I like your curiosity, very curious.

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Speaker 2: Like I'm definitely gonna open the door and be like,

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Speaker 2: what's that?

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I think my curiosity truly has gotten me through my

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Speaker 3: I want to know, Like, I want to know how

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Speaker 1: There's only one way to find out we got.

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Speaker 2: Boobs, you know. I think curiosity is you know, what

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Speaker 2: keeps us. It's people like it keeps us going because

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Speaker 1: So that sounds like some alien talk we're getting into.

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Speaker 2: Oh oh, I definitely believe that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, what about that little Mexican alien that they found

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Speaker 2: You know, I don't know, to be honest, I don't know.

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Speaker 2: I do believe that the things that we watch on TV,

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Speaker 2: you mean to tell me that you don't think that's

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Speaker 2: something magnificent created the Pyramids or taught us how to

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Speaker 2: how can you explain these things?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you can't.

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Speaker 2: Didn't We didn't have the technology to do that.

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Speaker 1: That's what's so fun, though, is these things we can't explain.

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Speaker 2: Yes, which keeps us curious.

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Speaker 1: There we go. Have you had moments in your own

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Speaker 2: Oh honey, my whole entire life rise. Yeah, the entirety

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Speaker 1: Tell me about that, all right, So let's just talk

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Speaker 2: So everybody knows me, knows that I'm a big advocate

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Speaker 2: for sex work, sex work, sex workers, because that is

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Speaker 2: the part that is a piece of fabric in the

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Speaker 2: great quilt that covers Tis Madison. Yeah, back twenty years ago,

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Speaker 2: you know, like, there's no way you're gonna be on

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Speaker 2: Yes, I could take you through moments. I remember me

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Speaker 1: I mean it's all timing. It's like you have to

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Speaker 2: And chase the whole trajectory of my life again again

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Speaker 2: Whatever it is, it's benevolent because it definitely wants me

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Speaker 1: Sometimes I go crazy thinking about life like that, but

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Speaker 2: Yes, and it does know, but it has to tell

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Speaker 2: It has been a few couple of times that I

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Speaker 2: it was for this reason right here. Yeah, I'll tell

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Speaker 2: You can't lie to me about it. Fuck it, tell

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Speaker 2: And I don't know what the hell you're talking about. No, no,

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Speaker 2: He got sentenced in like twenty something years. He ended

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Speaker 2: I said, okay, I'm gonna forgive you whatever you know

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Speaker 2: Blah blah blah blah blah blah blah ah that shit.

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Speaker 2: Fast forward to maybe three weeks ago. Okay, my makeup

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Speaker 2: this god keeps hitting me up on Instagram? And he's

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Speaker 3: And it baffled me because I was like, bro, why

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Speaker 2: So what I learned from that was that was totally

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Speaker 2: He couldn't be here, Madison. He can't be here Madison

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: How am I going to be able to do the

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Speaker 2: the will of the benevolent? How am I able to

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Speaker 1: Yeah? Are you? I mean as well as the voice

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Speaker 2: I do? But I'm most definitely more so feel that

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, guess what. They don't supposed to be in

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Speaker 2: be in my life because I dreamed it. Then he

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Speaker 2: How did you find out? He says, I really didn't

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Speaker 2: I told him that the spirit told me that you

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Speaker 1: So at what point does a person call themselves psychic?

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Speaker 1: Because I feel like I feel like you are.

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Speaker 2: Psychic, honey girl, I don't think it's psychic.

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Speaker 1: There's some psychics where their whole thing is just not

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Speaker 2: Where did they go, Like, did the spirit get it?

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Speaker 2: What's the tea?

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Speaker 1: Did they get ten percent or something? When it comes

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Speaker 2: Like I like privacy. I'm very into private because I

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Speaker 2: was like, I don't need to see no more of

434
00:24:02,520 --> 00:24:06,119
Speaker 2: the house. I just I don't, And so I got

435
00:24:06,160 --> 00:24:06,880
Speaker 2: to get out of here.

436
00:24:08,040 --> 00:24:10,840
Speaker 1: What did the realtors say, Dave, It's just like.

437
00:24:10,800 --> 00:24:13,880
Speaker 2: What's wrong? I was like, girl, it's dark in here,

438
00:24:14,280 --> 00:24:16,879
Speaker 2: like there's some stuff going on in either in this

439
00:24:17,000 --> 00:24:20,400
Speaker 2: house or there's something in here. I can't live No.

440
00:24:20,840 --> 00:24:24,360
Speaker 1: I saw one of your many lives. I mean, I've

441
00:24:24,400 --> 00:24:28,679
Speaker 1: spent hours of my life listening to you. And I

442
00:24:28,760 --> 00:24:33,600
Speaker 1: remember one with your mother where she woke you up

443
00:24:33,600 --> 00:24:36,000
Speaker 1: in the middle of the night because she thought she

444
00:24:36,040 --> 00:24:39,040
Speaker 1: heard someone in the house and she thought it might

445
00:24:39,080 --> 00:24:40,480
Speaker 1: be a ghost. What was up with that?

446
00:24:41,160 --> 00:24:45,040
Speaker 2: Now? This is the thing, though, was for her to

447
00:24:45,119 --> 00:24:48,000
Speaker 2: be Christian and to believe in you know, God, the

448
00:24:48,040 --> 00:24:53,000
Speaker 2: way she does. She's very she's very highly sensitive to it.

449
00:24:53,000 --> 00:24:55,960
Speaker 2: It's crazy, like she knows that I like stuff out

450
00:24:56,000 --> 00:24:58,960
Speaker 2: of the ordinary, Like I like a candle. I like

451
00:24:59,040 --> 00:25:00,880
Speaker 2: me up a green candle to make me some money.

452
00:25:00,880 --> 00:25:03,640
Speaker 2: In a heartbeat, Okay, let me get money, kntle, I'll

453
00:25:03,640 --> 00:25:06,960
Speaker 2: buy me a come to me money, so that brings

454
00:25:06,960 --> 00:25:12,040
Speaker 2: your money. Yes, she don't like any of that shit,

455
00:25:12,240 --> 00:25:14,960
Speaker 2: like it's like none of that's going down. Okay, none

456
00:25:14,960 --> 00:25:18,200
Speaker 2: of it, none of it. And she's very sensitive to it.

457
00:25:18,480 --> 00:25:20,800
Speaker 2: And it's so funny that she says, Boo, I don't

458
00:25:20,840 --> 00:25:22,679
Speaker 2: know what you're doing in this house. I don't know

459
00:25:22,680 --> 00:25:25,320
Speaker 2: what it is. It better not be anything that's outside

460
00:25:25,320 --> 00:25:29,040
Speaker 2: of what you believe aboutside of Christian because there's something

461
00:25:29,119 --> 00:25:29,480
Speaker 2: in here.

462
00:25:30,160 --> 00:25:34,840
Speaker 1: Okay. So she's convinced that maybe you conjured something. Well,

463
00:25:34,840 --> 00:25:37,680
Speaker 1: maybe it's the money goes. Maybe it's some kind of ghost.

464
00:25:37,800 --> 00:25:39,480
Speaker 1: So bring you money, come.

465
00:25:39,320 --> 00:25:43,480
Speaker 2: On with it, brag it, go get it and brag

466
00:25:43,520 --> 00:25:44,159
Speaker 2: it home to me.

467
00:25:44,560 --> 00:25:49,200
Speaker 1: Okay, wait a second, I have I'm curious your take

468
00:25:49,359 --> 00:25:53,640
Speaker 1: on something. We have a segment here we're typically. What

469
00:25:53,680 --> 00:25:56,120
Speaker 1: I do is I go to eBay and I look

470
00:25:56,160 --> 00:26:01,199
Speaker 1: at the haunted dolls that people sell and I found

471
00:26:01,280 --> 00:26:03,600
Speaker 1: a doll that I want to ask you about your

472
00:26:03,640 --> 00:26:06,679
Speaker 1: thoughts on This doll is not on eBay. It's a

473
00:26:06,720 --> 00:26:09,760
Speaker 1: famous haunted doll. Can I show it to you? Is

474
00:26:09,760 --> 00:26:10,800
Speaker 1: that something you'd be into?

475
00:26:11,040 --> 00:26:11,919
Speaker 2: Yeah, let me see it.

476
00:26:12,119 --> 00:26:14,720
Speaker 1: Okay, it's time for a segment I like to call

477
00:26:14,960 --> 00:26:21,679
Speaker 1: the dolls are living okay jiha, can you throw up

478
00:26:21,720 --> 00:26:24,640
Speaker 1: this doll please? This is Okei Ku.

479
00:26:25,080 --> 00:26:26,040
Speaker 2: Oh.

480
00:26:27,400 --> 00:26:31,719
Speaker 1: Now. Okeiku is in Japan, and the thing about Okiku

481
00:26:32,320 --> 00:26:38,400
Speaker 1: is that her hair allegedly grows really so. In nineteen eighteen,

482
00:26:38,800 --> 00:26:43,000
Speaker 1: Okei Ku was purchased by a young man for his

483
00:26:43,119 --> 00:26:47,400
Speaker 1: two year old sister. And the sister's name was Okei Ku,

484
00:26:47,920 --> 00:26:50,520
Speaker 1: and she was obsessed with this doll. She named her

485
00:26:50,680 --> 00:26:54,960
Speaker 1: Okei Ku after herself, and sadly, the little girl passed

486
00:26:55,000 --> 00:26:57,600
Speaker 1: away of a virus, but she was clutching the doll.

487
00:26:57,720 --> 00:27:01,320
Speaker 1: She loved the doll, and the family wanted to bury

488
00:27:01,440 --> 00:27:04,320
Speaker 1: her with the doll, but they couldn't, so they made

489
00:27:04,359 --> 00:27:07,480
Speaker 1: a little altar to celebrate the daughter with the doll

490
00:27:07,680 --> 00:27:11,800
Speaker 1: on it, and she had like a little bob haircut.

491
00:27:12,480 --> 00:27:16,479
Speaker 1: And shortly after the daughter had died, her hair started growing.

492
00:27:16,800 --> 00:27:21,400
Speaker 1: But the doll the doll, and the family started having

493
00:27:21,480 --> 00:27:25,960
Speaker 1: dreams where Okiku was visiting them in the dreams and

494
00:27:26,040 --> 00:27:28,840
Speaker 1: the house was just full unhaunted things were happening around

495
00:27:28,840 --> 00:27:31,720
Speaker 1: the house. They decided to move away from the house

496
00:27:31,760 --> 00:27:36,280
Speaker 1: and they gave the doll to a local temple and

497
00:27:36,840 --> 00:27:40,200
Speaker 1: it's been on display in this temple in Japan, and

498
00:27:40,440 --> 00:27:44,679
Speaker 1: her hair has grown well. When she first arrived, it

499
00:27:44,720 --> 00:27:48,600
Speaker 1: grew ten inches and they actually have a priest that's

500
00:27:48,600 --> 00:27:51,960
Speaker 1: assigned to cutting her hair. He says that he was

501
00:27:52,040 --> 00:27:54,800
Speaker 1: visited in a dream by her and he was told

502
00:27:54,960 --> 00:27:58,520
Speaker 1: that it was his duty to cut her hair. And

503
00:27:58,760 --> 00:28:02,639
Speaker 1: people go visit her at a place it's called men

504
00:28:03,040 --> 00:28:09,879
Speaker 1: Ge Temple, which is in Iwamazawa, Japan. And they also

505
00:28:09,880 --> 00:28:13,160
Speaker 1: say that her mouth is slowly opening, and some people

506
00:28:13,200 --> 00:28:15,760
Speaker 1: think that there's teeth growing inside of it. And her

507
00:28:15,800 --> 00:28:19,960
Speaker 1: hair has been analyzed and it is indeed human hair.

508
00:28:20,560 --> 00:28:26,400
Speaker 1: They say this was from Curious archive dot com. So

509
00:28:26,760 --> 00:28:27,560
Speaker 1: do you believe this?

510
00:28:28,080 --> 00:28:28,520
Speaker 2: I do?

511
00:28:28,800 --> 00:28:35,400
Speaker 1: Okay? Now, could it get twenty two inches?

512
00:28:35,760 --> 00:28:37,960
Speaker 2: Well, baby honey, if it's not twenty two inches a

513
00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:42,400
Speaker 2: better baby, bitch, you're practically ball. That's the way it goes.

514
00:28:44,600 --> 00:28:48,000
Speaker 1: So next time you're in Japan, maybe you might want

515
00:28:48,040 --> 00:28:50,080
Speaker 1: to tell Okiku that yourself.

516
00:28:50,600 --> 00:28:52,480
Speaker 2: I promise you I'll stop by to let her know. Girl,

517
00:28:52,520 --> 00:28:54,200
Speaker 2: how do you better keep growing? Because you better know

518
00:28:54,520 --> 00:28:58,600
Speaker 2: if your eight twenty two inches a better bitch, your practically.

519
00:28:58,040 --> 00:29:08,680
Speaker 1: Ball Okay, can I play you two ghost voices allegedly?

520
00:29:09,200 --> 00:29:09,560
Speaker 2: Sure?

521
00:29:10,400 --> 00:29:14,600
Speaker 1: Okay, This is part of the show I call EVP

522
00:29:16,160 --> 00:29:24,960
Speaker 1: or ev pase it stands for Electronic Voice Phenomenal. It's

523
00:29:25,040 --> 00:29:28,760
Speaker 1: when ghost hunters capture what they believe to be a

524
00:29:28,840 --> 00:29:32,360
Speaker 1: ghost speaking, and you see it a lot on these

525
00:29:32,360 --> 00:29:37,480
Speaker 1: ghost hunting shows. Also people on YouTube and TikTok they

526
00:29:37,520 --> 00:29:41,640
Speaker 1: love to post EVPs that they've found. So what I

527
00:29:41,720 --> 00:29:43,880
Speaker 1: do is I find two of them from the internet

528
00:29:44,120 --> 00:29:46,640
Speaker 1: and I will play them for you, and I want

529
00:29:46,640 --> 00:29:48,760
Speaker 1: you to tell me what you hear, and then I'll

530
00:29:48,800 --> 00:29:51,960
Speaker 1: give you a couple of options, with the correct answer

531
00:29:52,120 --> 00:29:55,280
Speaker 1: being what they believe the ghost is saying.

532
00:29:55,640 --> 00:29:56,800
Speaker 2: Okay, okay.

533
00:29:57,040 --> 00:30:01,400
Speaker 1: So the first one was posted on you YouTube from

534
00:30:01,520 --> 00:30:05,520
Speaker 1: Under the Moon Paranormal and it was at their house.

535
00:30:06,320 --> 00:30:07,640
Speaker 1: What did this ghost say?

536
00:30:11,360 --> 00:30:13,920
Speaker 2: Oh God, that sounds awful again?

537
00:30:14,400 --> 00:30:21,760
Speaker 1: Okay, Well, there's horrible noise in the background, but there

538
00:30:21,840 --> 00:30:23,520
Speaker 1: is a voice saying something.

539
00:30:24,040 --> 00:30:32,640
Speaker 2: What is it saying? No? No, they sounded like a

540
00:30:32,760 --> 00:30:34,720
Speaker 2: mattress going up and down where it goes up to

541
00:30:34,720 --> 00:30:35,080
Speaker 2: the bed.

542
00:30:37,160 --> 00:30:41,080
Speaker 1: Well, let me give you some options. Is it A

543
00:30:41,240 --> 00:30:45,800
Speaker 1: I'm not pissed off? Is it B I like this

544
00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:51,640
Speaker 1: dog Is it C, You're not my mom? That's very maury?

545
00:30:52,360 --> 00:30:56,240
Speaker 1: Or is it D? I want pasta? Okay, let me

546
00:30:56,280 --> 00:31:01,880
Speaker 1: play it again and guesses do it.

547
00:31:06,640 --> 00:31:09,640
Speaker 2: Honey, I won't pasta.

548
00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:15,840
Speaker 1: They believe it saying I like this dog. I mean

549
00:31:16,600 --> 00:31:17,640
Speaker 1: I kind of hear it.

550
00:31:17,800 --> 00:31:18,360
Speaker 2: I don't know.

551
00:31:18,520 --> 00:31:22,680
Speaker 1: Okay. Here's another one. This is from West Coast Paranormal

552
00:31:23,160 --> 00:31:25,960
Speaker 1: and it was posted on YouTube. It's at a place

553
00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:31,560
Speaker 1: called Sloan's Cottage in Lida, Western Australia. What is this

554
00:31:31,720 --> 00:31:38,800
Speaker 1: ghost saying? Tis Madisonani? This one's more of a whisper.

555
00:31:39,280 --> 00:31:42,640
Speaker 1: It's creepy.

556
00:31:43,360 --> 00:31:49,080
Speaker 2: It sounds like a nameI.

557
00:31:48,280 --> 00:31:51,360
Speaker 1: It's Bonnie. It's Bonnie. That's my name. It's Bonnie.

558
00:31:51,360 --> 00:31:57,920
Speaker 2: It sounded like a Bonnie le Bonnie le' bonnie.

559
00:31:58,360 --> 00:32:01,200
Speaker 1: That sounds like a fancy per hume or something I'm

560
00:32:01,200 --> 00:32:02,240
Speaker 1: wearing Lebani.

561
00:32:02,640 --> 00:32:07,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, this body maybe this body Donnie?

562
00:32:08,520 --> 00:32:14,080
Speaker 1: Is it a support me? Is it b somebody? Is

563
00:32:14,120 --> 00:32:18,880
Speaker 1: it C? It's a party? Or D Sabarro.

564
00:32:19,640 --> 00:32:21,320
Speaker 2: It's definitely Dabarro.

565
00:32:24,880 --> 00:32:27,560
Speaker 1: Maybe they were in the food court and they were hungry.

566
00:32:27,800 --> 00:32:28,600
Speaker 2: It's borrow.

567
00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:32,640
Speaker 1: They believe it is it's a party. Let me play

568
00:32:32,640 --> 00:32:38,600
Speaker 1: it again. I mean it is an Australian accent, so

569
00:32:38,760 --> 00:32:40,720
Speaker 1: I which I'm not going to access, but it's kind

570
00:32:40,720 --> 00:32:46,000
Speaker 1: of it's a Potyi. I don't know.

571
00:32:47,840 --> 00:32:51,680
Speaker 2: Lebon, but sister, what I'm telling you? Have you seen

572
00:32:51,760 --> 00:32:52,240
Speaker 2: talk to me?

573
00:32:52,680 --> 00:32:53,280
Speaker 1: I loved it.

574
00:32:53,960 --> 00:32:56,440
Speaker 2: I did too. It explained to me when I light

575
00:32:56,520 --> 00:32:58,600
Speaker 2: my cameras up. What's going on? Oh?

576
00:32:58,680 --> 00:33:02,120
Speaker 1: Okay, so that what's running around your house at night?

577
00:33:02,680 --> 00:33:07,120
Speaker 2: Yeah? So if you bitches is around here while its

578
00:33:07,160 --> 00:33:09,720
Speaker 2: Caunter's burner, bitch, go get the buddy and bring it back.

579
00:33:12,480 --> 00:33:14,080
Speaker 1: Maybe they want to be in your videos.

580
00:33:14,520 --> 00:33:16,920
Speaker 2: Who know? Bring the money back, bitch.

581
00:33:17,200 --> 00:33:19,400
Speaker 1: That's the content I want to see. Is you with

582
00:33:19,440 --> 00:33:20,360
Speaker 1: a bunch of ghosts.

583
00:33:20,760 --> 00:33:23,080
Speaker 2: Ah, what a gang bang? That'll be?

584
00:33:24,560 --> 00:33:28,080
Speaker 1: Okay, let's real, quick, rapid fire. I'm just gonna throw

585
00:33:28,440 --> 00:33:31,560
Speaker 1: some unexplainable things that you tell me. If you have

586
00:33:31,600 --> 00:33:34,560
Speaker 1: any quick thoughts or stories or whatever.

587
00:33:34,920 --> 00:33:36,040
Speaker 2: Oh, I'm ready.

588
00:33:36,680 --> 00:33:41,680
Speaker 1: Bigfoot, Bigfoot, fate fake girl.

589
00:33:41,720 --> 00:33:45,360
Speaker 2: Bigfoot is fake? You think you're a Bigfoot? Ain't real?

590
00:33:47,720 --> 00:33:50,240
Speaker 1: I don't know what's real and what isn't real. I

591
00:33:50,280 --> 00:33:56,520
Speaker 1: can't say, but it's fate fath. I will leave it

592
00:33:56,600 --> 00:33:59,680
Speaker 1: up to you. Honestly, whatever you say goes for me,

593
00:34:00,520 --> 00:34:03,360
Speaker 1: what do you think of past lives?

594
00:34:04,160 --> 00:34:04,400
Speaker 2: Real?

595
00:34:05,080 --> 00:34:05,560
Speaker 1: Okay?

596
00:34:05,720 --> 00:34:07,880
Speaker 2: And I do believe that's probably who's talking to me?

597
00:34:08,400 --> 00:34:12,560
Speaker 1: Is me you from the past, yeah okay, or it

598
00:34:12,560 --> 00:34:13,640
Speaker 1: could be you from the future.

599
00:34:13,680 --> 00:34:14,839
Speaker 2: Maybe could be.

600
00:34:15,760 --> 00:34:17,200
Speaker 1: What about Wiji boards?

601
00:34:17,760 --> 00:34:20,000
Speaker 2: Yes, I had an experience with one when I was

602
00:34:20,760 --> 00:34:22,720
Speaker 2: in seventh grade.

603
00:34:23,239 --> 00:34:23,880
Speaker 1: What happened?

604
00:34:24,239 --> 00:34:26,560
Speaker 2: A kid brought it to school. It was a free

605
00:34:26,600 --> 00:34:28,200
Speaker 2: day and we were around it and that bench was

606
00:34:28,239 --> 00:34:34,759
Speaker 2: moving around. I was like, hey, I never touched it again, though, Yeah,

607
00:34:34,800 --> 00:34:36,960
Speaker 2: they creep me out now a lot of candle, but

608
00:34:37,000 --> 00:34:38,520
Speaker 2: I won't touch a weigie board.

609
00:34:38,719 --> 00:34:42,759
Speaker 1: And that's something I mean, people are so terrified at

610
00:34:42,760 --> 00:34:44,880
Speaker 1: wigi birds and I am too a little bit. But

611
00:34:45,560 --> 00:34:48,080
Speaker 1: some people would argue, yeah, it's kind of all the

612
00:34:48,120 --> 00:34:49,719
Speaker 1: same thing, Like.

613
00:34:50,239 --> 00:34:53,799
Speaker 2: I mean, it could be, but I personally don't think

614
00:34:53,920 --> 00:34:57,000
Speaker 2: that because I don't know. Maybe because that's what I've

615
00:34:57,040 --> 00:34:57,480
Speaker 2: been taught.

616
00:34:57,520 --> 00:35:00,279
Speaker 1: Then it starts well to me Wigi boards or like

617
00:35:00,320 --> 00:35:04,440
Speaker 1: the Internet, like I will listen to something that I trust,

618
00:35:04,640 --> 00:35:06,680
Speaker 1: like your spirit. You obviously have a lot of reason

619
00:35:06,760 --> 00:35:08,680
Speaker 1: to trust them. It's almost like it's someone you know.

620
00:35:09,040 --> 00:35:12,160
Speaker 1: But going on a Ouiji board, it's like going on

621
00:35:12,200 --> 00:35:15,000
Speaker 1: the Internet and being like, who wants to talk and

622
00:35:15,440 --> 00:35:17,200
Speaker 1: you don't know who the hell's gonna come through.

623
00:35:17,760 --> 00:35:19,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't want to do it.

624
00:35:19,600 --> 00:35:20,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't blame you.

625
00:35:21,120 --> 00:35:22,480
Speaker 2: Yeah.

626
00:35:22,520 --> 00:35:24,759
Speaker 1: What do you think about time travel? Do you think

627
00:35:24,760 --> 00:35:25,480
Speaker 1: it's possible?

628
00:35:26,200 --> 00:35:26,520
Speaker 2: Yes?

629
00:35:26,760 --> 00:35:29,000
Speaker 1: Do you think? Okay, sometimes on the Internet people will

630
00:35:29,040 --> 00:35:32,680
Speaker 1: be like, I am coming back from the year twenty

631
00:35:32,760 --> 00:35:36,040
Speaker 1: seventy and here's what happens. Do you think that's something

632
00:35:36,080 --> 00:35:37,000
Speaker 1: like that as possible?

633
00:35:37,719 --> 00:35:42,000
Speaker 2: H to a degree, because I'm like, bitch, well why

634
00:35:42,080 --> 00:35:46,719
Speaker 2: did you come back? Girl? Just stay there, girl, just

635
00:35:46,800 --> 00:35:49,279
Speaker 2: stay You got to relive this shit all the way

636
00:35:49,320 --> 00:35:52,440
Speaker 2: back over again. Uh huh, girl, just stay there. Yeah,

637
00:35:52,880 --> 00:35:55,919
Speaker 2: it's just stayed. Just say listen if I went into

638
00:35:55,920 --> 00:35:58,640
Speaker 2: the future and it will sit back girl. Uh, I

639
00:35:58,680 --> 00:36:01,319
Speaker 2: got to do all this stuff over no.

640
00:36:01,680 --> 00:36:04,239
Speaker 1: Yeah. Like sometimes people will ask that if you could

641
00:36:04,239 --> 00:36:08,360
Speaker 1: do your twenties over again, would you do it? No?

642
00:36:08,360 --> 00:36:13,560
Speaker 2: No? Well, yeah I do some of my twenties olies, Okay,

643
00:36:13,800 --> 00:36:17,000
Speaker 2: Oh I had some good times babies. Yes, some of

644
00:36:17,040 --> 00:36:19,080
Speaker 2: my twenties I do baking. Well.

645
00:36:19,480 --> 00:36:22,640
Speaker 1: I'm still thinking about literally when we first started this

646
00:36:22,719 --> 00:36:26,800
Speaker 1: conversation and you were talking about just your life trajectory,

647
00:36:27,080 --> 00:36:30,680
Speaker 1: and I think about that kind of thing all the time.

648
00:36:30,719 --> 00:36:33,279
Speaker 1: And I also think about like, like, first of all,

649
00:36:33,320 --> 00:36:35,600
Speaker 1: it's a miracle that any of us are still alive, like,

650
00:36:35,960 --> 00:36:39,120
Speaker 1: or there's a reason that any of us are still alive,

651
00:36:39,400 --> 00:36:41,879
Speaker 1: especially when we know so many people that die over

652
00:36:41,920 --> 00:36:46,680
Speaker 1: the years. Yes, but I also think about like sixth sense.

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Speaker 1: I don't know that it's necessarily psychic, but I definitely

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Speaker 1: would you agree with that wholeheartedly?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, especially trans people, because we are messed with the

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Speaker 2: I don't want to be either or I want to

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Speaker 1: And there's so many cultures and so many times throughout

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Speaker 2: Me too, fully with my whole everything everything.

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Speaker 1: Tes Medicine. I'm so happy that you joined me. You're

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Speaker 1: Like you're just your willingness to be so open all

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Speaker 1: Oh what amazing stories. Guys, Happy holidays, Thanks for listening

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Speaker 1: I love you all, both living and dead. But if

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Speaker 1: producer is the startling Jiha Lee. Associate producer is the

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Speaker 1: alarming Christina Chamberlain. This episode was mixed and sound designed

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