1 00:00:02,759 --> 00:00:06,880 Speaker 1: Hey, there're folks. It is Monday, June thirtieth, and jury 2 00:00:06,920 --> 00:00:12,040 Speaker 1: deliberations are officially underway in the trial of Sean Diddy Combs. 3 00:00:12,039 --> 00:00:14,680 Speaker 1: Welcome to this Diddy Update episode of Amy and TJ Robed. 4 00:00:14,720 --> 00:00:18,160 Speaker 1: It's a little bizarre to think it's kind of over 5 00:00:18,480 --> 00:00:20,800 Speaker 1: after we've been watching this thing so closely for two months. 6 00:00:20,960 --> 00:00:23,480 Speaker 1: Things started on May fifth with these jurors not even 7 00:00:23,560 --> 00:00:25,800 Speaker 1: knowing if they would be picked for the jury. They 8 00:00:25,880 --> 00:00:29,319 Speaker 1: just showed up for jury select jurwy selection two months ago. 9 00:00:29,400 --> 00:00:33,360 Speaker 2: And that's so wild to think. Yeah, twelve people, eight men, 10 00:00:33,520 --> 00:00:37,520 Speaker 2: four women right now are deciding the fate of Diddy 11 00:00:37,600 --> 00:00:41,120 Speaker 2: after hearing six plus weeks of testimony. Was it thirty 12 00:00:41,159 --> 00:00:44,840 Speaker 2: five witnesses total? Four thirty four witnesses total? 13 00:00:45,120 --> 00:00:46,440 Speaker 1: Another one who was the extra you threw? 14 00:00:47,000 --> 00:00:47,559 Speaker 2: I don't know. 15 00:00:48,120 --> 00:00:48,920 Speaker 1: Kanye did not. 16 00:00:48,800 --> 00:00:53,120 Speaker 2: Test He didn't count. But then too, They all sat 17 00:00:53,159 --> 00:00:56,720 Speaker 2: for what two hours this morning listening to the judge 18 00:00:57,160 --> 00:01:01,960 Speaker 2: go over in detail how they are expected to deliberate 19 00:01:02,000 --> 00:01:05,280 Speaker 2: on these five charges that Ditty is facing. And it 20 00:01:05,400 --> 00:01:10,280 Speaker 2: is complex, and it was even tedious hearing and at 21 00:01:10,400 --> 00:01:13,720 Speaker 2: least reading what the judge was explaining to the jurors. 22 00:01:13,760 --> 00:01:16,039 Speaker 1: So as we're recording those folks with this is the 23 00:01:16,120 --> 00:01:20,440 Speaker 1: jury just got the case. We'll get into the jury 24 00:01:20,440 --> 00:01:22,679 Speaker 1: instructions in a sect, but they officially do have the 25 00:01:22,720 --> 00:01:25,080 Speaker 1: case now. In the meantime, Diddy is not going back 26 00:01:25,120 --> 00:01:27,920 Speaker 1: and forth. This is interesting. As we speak, Ditty is 27 00:01:28,000 --> 00:01:32,160 Speaker 1: not going back and forth from the jail in Brooklyn 28 00:01:32,240 --> 00:01:34,480 Speaker 1: to the courthouse in Manhattan while this is going on. 29 00:01:34,520 --> 00:01:37,000 Speaker 1: He has to stay at the courthouse. I thought that 30 00:01:37,120 --> 00:01:40,160 Speaker 1: was interesting. Then it's okay, you can take some light reading. 31 00:01:40,280 --> 00:01:42,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, he asked for some books to take with him 32 00:01:42,959 --> 00:01:45,200 Speaker 2: in the holding cell with him as he waits. I mean, 33 00:01:45,240 --> 00:01:47,880 Speaker 2: it's funny. Well, it's not funny, but it's interesting. I'm 34 00:01:48,400 --> 00:01:51,760 Speaker 2: feeling nervous just waiting or anticipating what the jury is 35 00:01:52,320 --> 00:01:54,240 Speaker 2: going to do and what they're going to think and 36 00:01:54,280 --> 00:01:57,040 Speaker 2: how they're going to begin. Can you imagine what he's 37 00:01:57,120 --> 00:01:59,760 Speaker 2: going to be doing. Light reading, maybe heavy reading. I'd 38 00:01:59,760 --> 00:02:02,840 Speaker 2: like to know what books he's he's reading to distract 39 00:02:02,920 --> 00:02:05,559 Speaker 2: himself or maybe try to take himself to another place 40 00:02:05,880 --> 00:02:07,280 Speaker 2: while his fate is being determined. 41 00:02:07,320 --> 00:02:09,840 Speaker 1: But to consider that, folks, as we speak, Diddy is 42 00:02:09,880 --> 00:02:13,360 Speaker 1: in a holding cell. A couple of blocks from where 43 00:02:13,400 --> 00:02:16,679 Speaker 1: we are recording with his books and waiting to find 44 00:02:16,680 --> 00:02:18,400 Speaker 1: out if he is going to spend the rest of 45 00:02:18,440 --> 00:02:21,440 Speaker 1: his life in prison, or maybe a few years in prison, 46 00:02:22,120 --> 00:02:24,760 Speaker 1: or maybe be home by the fourth of July. That 47 00:02:24,880 --> 00:02:28,600 Speaker 1: is not outside the realm of possibilities at all. But 48 00:02:28,720 --> 00:02:30,600 Speaker 1: this morning, Robes we're so used to. We were in 49 00:02:30,680 --> 00:02:32,280 Speaker 1: the We were actually in the car this morning when 50 00:02:33,520 --> 00:02:35,720 Speaker 1: court first started, and I was asking for you to 51 00:02:35,720 --> 00:02:38,880 Speaker 1: look at the updates since I was driving and I 52 00:02:39,120 --> 00:02:42,080 Speaker 1: was so ready for there to be a two hour delay. 53 00:02:43,040 --> 00:02:46,640 Speaker 1: A juror has a transportation issue, a childcare issue. I 54 00:02:46,680 --> 00:02:48,520 Speaker 1: was waiting for something. This is one of the few days, 55 00:02:48,520 --> 00:02:52,280 Speaker 1: it seems, in recent weeks that you know, they just 56 00:02:52,400 --> 00:02:53,200 Speaker 1: got started like they. 57 00:02:53,120 --> 00:02:55,399 Speaker 2: Were supposed to be. Yeah, the judge started addressing the jury, 58 00:02:55,440 --> 00:02:57,760 Speaker 2: I believe at nine to twenty. Beforehand, we got a 59 00:02:57,800 --> 00:03:00,720 Speaker 2: little bit of color from reporters who were there in 60 00:03:00,760 --> 00:03:03,639 Speaker 2: the courtroom saying that did he came in and hugged 61 00:03:03,960 --> 00:03:07,840 Speaker 2: his defense team, his entire family. His six adult children 62 00:03:08,240 --> 00:03:10,320 Speaker 2: are there in court behind him, or were there in 63 00:03:10,360 --> 00:03:14,520 Speaker 2: court behind him, along with his mother, and people just 64 00:03:14,600 --> 00:03:20,720 Speaker 2: described he was kind of seemed active, seemed engaged. But gosh, 65 00:03:20,760 --> 00:03:21,720 Speaker 2: I just can't imagine. 66 00:03:21,800 --> 00:03:24,079 Speaker 1: That's always been the report, like the whole time. They say, 67 00:03:24,120 --> 00:03:28,200 Speaker 1: this is a very involved client. Yes, but looking at 68 00:03:28,480 --> 00:03:30,800 Speaker 1: juror sometimes we're not supposed to it, but certainly engaged, 69 00:03:30,840 --> 00:03:34,600 Speaker 1: looking at the juror, looking at jurors, engaged with his 70 00:03:34,720 --> 00:03:37,440 Speaker 1: own I mean his family members at time, members of 71 00:03:37,480 --> 00:03:41,240 Speaker 1: his defense team. They say he takes notes, he passes notes, 72 00:03:41,240 --> 00:03:44,560 Speaker 1: he fidgets sometimes, so he is obviously all that's on 73 00:03:44,600 --> 00:03:46,720 Speaker 1: the line. You want to sit up and pay attention. 74 00:03:46,880 --> 00:03:48,400 Speaker 2: That is not surprising at all. 75 00:03:48,440 --> 00:03:50,480 Speaker 1: But about his family, I was surprised to hear I 76 00:03:50,520 --> 00:03:53,560 Speaker 1: can't remember which reporter did said the family has been 77 00:03:53,600 --> 00:03:56,200 Speaker 1: passing notes. Yes, I saw that too, on a notepad. 78 00:03:56,960 --> 00:03:58,440 Speaker 1: I don't know. This is the first time I've seen 79 00:03:58,480 --> 00:03:59,880 Speaker 1: that's been going on. I don't know if it's been 80 00:03:59,920 --> 00:04:01,320 Speaker 1: going on all trial, and that's. 81 00:04:01,240 --> 00:04:03,760 Speaker 2: The first I heard. Maybe they had questions for the 82 00:04:03,800 --> 00:04:05,920 Speaker 2: attorney they were passing up or at least what was 83 00:04:06,200 --> 00:04:09,080 Speaker 2: to be expected today. Maybe they had questions about timing 84 00:04:09,120 --> 00:04:11,920 Speaker 2: all of that as they were waiting for the jury 85 00:04:11,920 --> 00:04:14,360 Speaker 2: to come in and the judge to come in. But 86 00:04:15,480 --> 00:04:20,120 Speaker 2: this morning was not an exciting event. It wasn't something 87 00:04:20,160 --> 00:04:25,919 Speaker 2: where we were expecting anything other than real specific language 88 00:04:25,920 --> 00:04:28,159 Speaker 2: from the judge that had already been determined and agreed 89 00:04:28,240 --> 00:04:32,440 Speaker 2: upon between both sides on Thursday of last week. So 90 00:04:32,880 --> 00:04:36,800 Speaker 2: all of this that the judge read had already been preordained, 91 00:04:36,880 --> 00:04:38,719 Speaker 2: so to speak, by both sides fought over. 92 00:04:39,040 --> 00:04:42,200 Speaker 1: It's fair. They fought over every single bit of language, 93 00:04:42,200 --> 00:04:44,360 Speaker 1: and as we talk about some of it here, you'll 94 00:04:44,400 --> 00:04:47,120 Speaker 1: see why they had to get so specific. But I 95 00:04:47,240 --> 00:04:50,839 Speaker 1: was surprised. I think I always want to give them credit. 96 00:04:50,839 --> 00:04:52,839 Speaker 1: But the BBC report, I believe, was talking about what 97 00:04:52,920 --> 00:04:55,240 Speaker 1: was going on in this non exciting event in the 98 00:04:55,279 --> 00:04:59,280 Speaker 1: overflow room today. This is how uneventful it was. People 99 00:04:59,279 --> 00:04:59,960 Speaker 1: were falling asleep. 100 00:05:00,120 --> 00:05:03,360 Speaker 2: She said that there was audible snoring in the overflow rooms, 101 00:05:03,360 --> 00:05:05,600 Speaker 2: and I didn't realize this, but starting I believe last 102 00:05:05,600 --> 00:05:09,160 Speaker 2: week they actually had to open up more overflow rooms. 103 00:05:09,200 --> 00:05:12,600 Speaker 2: There are four overflow rooms now, I believe, in addition 104 00:05:12,680 --> 00:05:15,680 Speaker 2: to the actual courthouse, and that particular reporter from the 105 00:05:15,720 --> 00:05:19,560 Speaker 2: VBC described this morning outside of the Lower Manhattan Court 106 00:05:19,600 --> 00:05:23,200 Speaker 2: House as exceptionally busy. That people are starting to get 107 00:05:23,200 --> 00:05:26,160 Speaker 2: excited or at least anticipate a potential verdict, and so 108 00:05:26,200 --> 00:05:28,000 Speaker 2: there was. It was just a lot of buzzing and 109 00:05:28,040 --> 00:05:30,359 Speaker 2: a lot of activity, a lot of folks wanting to 110 00:05:30,400 --> 00:05:32,240 Speaker 2: get into that courthouse to be a part of it. 111 00:05:33,440 --> 00:05:35,080 Speaker 1: Was it did you say already one was knitting? 112 00:05:35,120 --> 00:05:37,839 Speaker 2: Did you? I didn't say that someone was knitting too? Yes, 113 00:05:38,320 --> 00:05:40,600 Speaker 2: so you know, did he has light reading. One of 114 00:05:40,640 --> 00:05:43,719 Speaker 2: the folks who wants to watch the uh, at least 115 00:05:43,880 --> 00:05:46,479 Speaker 2: watch the jury come back or not today is knitting? 116 00:05:46,680 --> 00:05:49,440 Speaker 2: Other people are sleeping, your choice. 117 00:05:50,080 --> 00:05:53,440 Speaker 1: But the reason they were knitting and sleeping and audibly 118 00:05:53,480 --> 00:05:57,760 Speaker 1: snoring is because the official term is called a jury charge. 119 00:05:57,800 --> 00:05:59,839 Speaker 1: That's what happened today. Jury charge. You'll see that a 120 00:05:59,839 --> 00:06:02,440 Speaker 1: few places. All that means is that the jury officially 121 00:06:02,440 --> 00:06:05,640 Speaker 1: got their instructions, instructions that Robes was just talking about 122 00:06:05,720 --> 00:06:08,120 Speaker 1: that were kind of fought over by the attorneys. And 123 00:06:08,160 --> 00:06:10,000 Speaker 1: he does Robes, He's come in. I've been a part 124 00:06:10,040 --> 00:06:12,080 Speaker 1: I've seen these before. I've been a part of like 125 00:06:12,160 --> 00:06:16,240 Speaker 1: I'm the defendant, but I have seen these and he 126 00:06:16,360 --> 00:06:18,680 Speaker 1: is lit to relate. It is as if you were 127 00:06:18,720 --> 00:06:22,480 Speaker 1: reading the instruction pamphlet from a TV or an electronic 128 00:06:22,680 --> 00:06:25,480 Speaker 1: He is reading every single line about what they have 129 00:06:25,560 --> 00:06:29,039 Speaker 1: to do, and it does. It takes a while. You 130 00:06:29,080 --> 00:06:31,440 Speaker 1: have to pay attention. I think some of the they 131 00:06:31,480 --> 00:06:33,360 Speaker 1: were take well, they'll have a copy of the instructions 132 00:06:33,360 --> 00:06:35,000 Speaker 1: back there with them. But you have to sit and 133 00:06:35,040 --> 00:06:39,040 Speaker 1: pay attention because he goes through what legally some of 134 00:06:39,080 --> 00:06:41,839 Speaker 1: these standards you have to meet to find somebody guilty. 135 00:06:41,920 --> 00:06:46,520 Speaker 1: And that is the part that gets complicated, and especially 136 00:06:46,560 --> 00:06:48,800 Speaker 1: when you talk about racketeering, and I think that is 137 00:06:48,800 --> 00:06:50,919 Speaker 1: the one they spend a lot of time on in court. 138 00:06:50,720 --> 00:06:54,039 Speaker 2: Today, racketeering. He actually the judge went through the eight 139 00:06:54,760 --> 00:06:58,440 Speaker 2: different potential crimes that could be a part of the 140 00:06:58,560 --> 00:07:01,800 Speaker 2: racketeering and made it clear that did he had to 141 00:07:01,920 --> 00:07:04,920 Speaker 2: have committed or they had to believe he committed at 142 00:07:05,000 --> 00:07:08,599 Speaker 2: least two of them with a co conspirator within a 143 00:07:08,720 --> 00:07:11,000 Speaker 2: ten year period of time. Say it again for the 144 00:07:11,000 --> 00:07:15,240 Speaker 2: people in the exactly really did he had to have committed? 145 00:07:15,600 --> 00:07:17,920 Speaker 2: According to the jurors had to decide that he committed 146 00:07:18,320 --> 00:07:24,960 Speaker 2: two of these ten crimes with someone within the last 147 00:07:25,000 --> 00:07:27,360 Speaker 2: ten years or within ten years of each other. We see, 148 00:07:27,360 --> 00:07:30,480 Speaker 2: it's so amusing, but here the eight they have to 149 00:07:30,520 --> 00:07:33,040 Speaker 2: find that he was guilty of at least two of 150 00:07:33,080 --> 00:07:39,000 Speaker 2: these crimes with another person, kidnapping, arson, bribery, forced labor, 151 00:07:39,360 --> 00:07:44,200 Speaker 2: transportation to engage in prostitution, sex trafficking, witness tampering, and 152 00:07:44,280 --> 00:07:47,400 Speaker 2: possession with the intent to distribute controlled substances. And he 153 00:07:47,440 --> 00:07:49,760 Speaker 2: got very specific about that last one about the drugs, 154 00:07:49,920 --> 00:07:53,280 Speaker 2: because he said it didn't matter how much drugs we 155 00:07:53,280 --> 00:07:55,320 Speaker 2: were talking about, or which drugs were talking about, It's 156 00:07:55,440 --> 00:07:58,560 Speaker 2: just had to have happened with a second person and 157 00:07:58,600 --> 00:08:01,360 Speaker 2: an intent to distribute. I mean, it's I'm telling you 158 00:08:01,400 --> 00:08:05,680 Speaker 2: my mind. Every time I was listening to him reiterate 159 00:08:05,800 --> 00:08:07,960 Speaker 2: or at least reading what he was charging the jurors with, 160 00:08:08,080 --> 00:08:09,960 Speaker 2: it got more and more confusing. That's why this is 161 00:08:10,000 --> 00:08:12,400 Speaker 2: all written down and the jurors will each have a 162 00:08:12,480 --> 00:08:15,840 Speaker 2: copy with them in the deliberation room, because I imagine 163 00:08:15,840 --> 00:08:17,640 Speaker 2: you would have to refer I'm having to refer back 164 00:08:17,680 --> 00:08:20,000 Speaker 2: to it. I'm having to say, wait, now, which ones 165 00:08:20,600 --> 00:08:21,640 Speaker 2: in what time frame? 166 00:08:21,840 --> 00:08:25,200 Speaker 1: With whom so he used that phrase a lot today, 167 00:08:25,600 --> 00:08:29,080 Speaker 1: the Comb's enterprise, because it needs to be an enterprise 168 00:08:29,160 --> 00:08:32,440 Speaker 1: in order for them to find him guilty of racketeering. Again, 169 00:08:32,480 --> 00:08:34,000 Speaker 1: this is the one he spent most of the time 170 00:08:34,080 --> 00:08:39,280 Speaker 1: on today. Was explaining racketeering, so Rotes. So much of 171 00:08:39,320 --> 00:08:42,320 Speaker 1: the debate was did they even establish that there was 172 00:08:42,360 --> 00:08:45,680 Speaker 1: a Comb's enterprise, meaning all this stuff he was doing 173 00:08:46,360 --> 00:08:49,360 Speaker 1: was personal, So there had to be one other person, 174 00:08:49,559 --> 00:08:53,760 Speaker 1: So the other it could be his drug mule, quote unquote, 175 00:08:53,880 --> 00:08:57,760 Speaker 1: could it be Kkstad, Could it be his security guy. 176 00:08:58,440 --> 00:09:01,280 Speaker 1: They had to somebody at least one of those people 177 00:09:02,120 --> 00:09:09,240 Speaker 1: had to agree to commit two of these crimes with him, did. 178 00:09:09,040 --> 00:09:12,400 Speaker 2: They That'll be for the jury to decide. 179 00:09:12,040 --> 00:09:14,000 Speaker 1: To think you have to go. Okay, so think about 180 00:09:14,000 --> 00:09:15,440 Speaker 1: the jerom. How long is this going to take? 181 00:09:15,559 --> 00:09:15,679 Speaker 2: All? 182 00:09:15,760 --> 00:09:19,800 Speaker 1: Right? Kidnapping, did he commit kidnapping? You have to say 183 00:09:19,880 --> 00:09:23,080 Speaker 1: yes or no. They say yes, he committed kidnapping. But 184 00:09:23,200 --> 00:09:27,880 Speaker 1: did somebody else in his circle agree to do that 185 00:09:28,000 --> 00:09:28,960 Speaker 1: kidnapping with him? 186 00:09:29,080 --> 00:09:32,079 Speaker 2: The prosecution would say d Rock did when he took. 187 00:09:34,320 --> 00:09:37,400 Speaker 1: Capricorn after kid cut it. Correct, Okay, So if that's 188 00:09:37,440 --> 00:09:39,880 Speaker 1: the case, that's just one. Yeah, Now we got to 189 00:09:39,920 --> 00:09:42,040 Speaker 1: go through all the others. And then and only then 190 00:09:42,200 --> 00:09:44,480 Speaker 1: can you say he is guilty of racketeering. If they 191 00:09:44,559 --> 00:09:48,160 Speaker 1: decide Robes, that's the case that two of these were 192 00:09:48,160 --> 00:09:50,599 Speaker 1: committed with did he he's going to doil for the 193 00:09:50,640 --> 00:09:51,200 Speaker 1: rest of his life. 194 00:09:51,200 --> 00:09:53,480 Speaker 2: Correct, because that and that is the reason it's the 195 00:09:53,480 --> 00:09:55,920 Speaker 2: most complex of them all, and it's the one that 196 00:09:56,000 --> 00:09:58,720 Speaker 2: carries the longest prison sentence, so up to life in prison. 197 00:09:58,880 --> 00:09:59,480 Speaker 2: It's that. 198 00:10:01,120 --> 00:10:03,720 Speaker 1: If he is found guilty, he is going to prison 199 00:10:03,760 --> 00:10:07,840 Speaker 1: for the rest of his life. Quite oh my goodness. So, yes, 200 00:10:07,920 --> 00:10:10,400 Speaker 1: it gets complicated. They spend time with that. Yes, rhades 201 00:10:10,440 --> 00:10:12,840 Speaker 1: to your point. They're going to have the jury instructions. 202 00:10:12,840 --> 00:10:15,160 Speaker 1: They got laptop with them that has all the evidence 203 00:10:15,200 --> 00:10:16,800 Speaker 1: on that. They have a list of all the exhibits, 204 00:10:16,800 --> 00:10:19,160 Speaker 1: and they have a verdict sheet in there with them, 205 00:10:19,160 --> 00:10:21,840 Speaker 1: and that's kind of it that they go in again. 206 00:10:21,840 --> 00:10:26,080 Speaker 1: And you mentioned as well, So he go on the 207 00:10:26,120 --> 00:10:28,360 Speaker 1: drugs for a second before we move on to this 208 00:10:28,400 --> 00:10:31,800 Speaker 1: next thing about that we're getting into about disregarding a 209 00:10:31,800 --> 00:10:34,520 Speaker 1: witness's testimony. The drugs thing. Both of us I think 210 00:10:34,559 --> 00:10:38,040 Speaker 1: when it happened the testimony was it Brandon Paul, I 211 00:10:38,080 --> 00:10:41,439 Speaker 1: think we both were like, wait a minute, drug distribution? 212 00:10:41,679 --> 00:10:43,960 Speaker 1: Is the jury really going to say this dude was 213 00:10:44,000 --> 00:10:48,000 Speaker 1: distributing drugs? Did he as a drug distributor? Because he 214 00:10:48,080 --> 00:10:51,920 Speaker 1: told his assistant to come get him some drugs and 215 00:10:51,960 --> 00:10:55,360 Speaker 1: then he gave one pill to Cassie for the for 216 00:10:55,400 --> 00:10:58,000 Speaker 1: the freak off. Is that drug distribution? 217 00:10:58,200 --> 00:11:02,960 Speaker 2: Well, yes, according to the judge, he said, the amount 218 00:11:02,960 --> 00:11:07,320 Speaker 2: of drugs is irrelevant. That if at least two people 219 00:11:07,440 --> 00:11:10,760 Speaker 2: agreed to distribute a drug from one person to another, 220 00:11:10,920 --> 00:11:15,199 Speaker 2: then that falls into Yeah, that's the burden. 221 00:11:14,960 --> 00:11:18,400 Speaker 1: Of proof if two people. If you and I take 222 00:11:19,559 --> 00:11:21,520 Speaker 1: go to who I want to name somebody rigue, I 223 00:11:21,559 --> 00:11:26,960 Speaker 1: don't name a real person. But then oh, Joe shmok. 224 00:11:27,200 --> 00:11:31,199 Speaker 1: Let's say you and I go buy drugs from Joe. No, 225 00:11:31,520 --> 00:11:34,120 Speaker 1: you go buy drugs from Joe because I asked you to. 226 00:11:34,320 --> 00:11:37,080 Speaker 1: And then you bring those drugs to me and I 227 00:11:37,120 --> 00:11:41,320 Speaker 1: say thank you, Robock. And then I go give one 228 00:11:41,360 --> 00:11:44,160 Speaker 1: pill to a friend of mine because they asked for it. 229 00:11:44,480 --> 00:11:45,880 Speaker 1: I am now a drug distributor. 230 00:11:46,040 --> 00:11:49,200 Speaker 2: Yep, according to the way the judge laid it out, 231 00:11:49,240 --> 00:11:51,520 Speaker 2: that actually is the case. And so when we were 232 00:11:51,520 --> 00:11:54,400 Speaker 2: listening to the prosecution, when we were listening to people 233 00:11:55,000 --> 00:11:59,880 Speaker 2: the assistants describe what they did for Diddy, that seemed 234 00:12:00,160 --> 00:12:03,440 Speaker 2: like a slam dunk. I don't know now. 235 00:12:03,280 --> 00:12:06,080 Speaker 1: Is that the place where you go into some common 236 00:12:06,160 --> 00:12:10,240 Speaker 1: sense that a juror thinks, Wait, a minute. It was 237 00:12:10,280 --> 00:12:13,160 Speaker 1: personal use drugs, which is what the defense said. Is 238 00:12:13,160 --> 00:12:14,760 Speaker 1: a juror gonna sit there and say, I am I 239 00:12:14,800 --> 00:12:17,920 Speaker 1: going to send Sean Combs to prison for the rest 240 00:12:17,920 --> 00:12:22,559 Speaker 1: of his life because he wanted to use personal drugs. 241 00:12:22,320 --> 00:12:24,680 Speaker 1: That goes beyond a legal definition. And that's where you 242 00:12:24,679 --> 00:12:27,080 Speaker 1: talk about what you were saying. His attorney put on 243 00:12:27,120 --> 00:12:27,640 Speaker 1: such a show. 244 00:12:28,080 --> 00:12:30,640 Speaker 2: So here's the other little cybar that I noticed. Did 245 00:12:30,679 --> 00:12:32,720 Speaker 2: you see or did you read? I'm sure you did. 246 00:12:33,280 --> 00:12:36,720 Speaker 2: What the judge said to the jurors, A got intoxication 247 00:12:36,800 --> 00:12:39,120 Speaker 2: because this is what I think is very interesting when 248 00:12:39,160 --> 00:12:41,640 Speaker 2: it comes to the drug use. So the judge specifically 249 00:12:41,679 --> 00:12:45,160 Speaker 2: told the jurors before they went away for deliberations that 250 00:12:45,480 --> 00:12:49,680 Speaker 2: being intoxicated is not a defense for committing a crime, 251 00:12:50,160 --> 00:12:54,520 Speaker 2: but it can impact your intent to commit a certain 252 00:12:54,600 --> 00:12:57,719 Speaker 2: crime like racketeering. So this has been a huge part 253 00:12:57,800 --> 00:13:00,560 Speaker 2: of the defense saying, hey, he was a drug addict, 254 00:13:00,960 --> 00:13:04,240 Speaker 2: he needed to go to rehab. He knew not what 255 00:13:04,360 --> 00:13:07,240 Speaker 2: he was doing because he was so messed up. He 256 00:13:07,320 --> 00:13:08,959 Speaker 2: was out of his mind on drugs, he was out 257 00:13:08,960 --> 00:13:11,640 Speaker 2: of his mind on alcohol, and so it's not a 258 00:13:11,679 --> 00:13:14,440 Speaker 2: defense for the crime, but it could absolutely impact whether 259 00:13:14,559 --> 00:13:21,200 Speaker 2: or not they believe he was a part of this racketeering. I. 260 00:13:21,200 --> 00:13:23,520 Speaker 2: I thought that was huge as well. That's why I 261 00:13:23,520 --> 00:13:25,440 Speaker 2: wanted to bring it up now when we're talking about 262 00:13:25,480 --> 00:13:30,520 Speaker 2: the drugs, because it's not it's not just about distributing 263 00:13:30,559 --> 00:13:33,120 Speaker 2: the drugs. He was taking the drugs. 264 00:13:33,880 --> 00:13:37,240 Speaker 1: I thought that. Look, I don't know for sure, and 265 00:13:37,280 --> 00:13:39,480 Speaker 1: I don't know if the judge, if it legally has 266 00:13:39,520 --> 00:13:41,960 Speaker 1: to be in there, but I'm pretty sure his defense 267 00:13:41,960 --> 00:13:43,680 Speaker 1: team was I'm sure rooting for that. 268 00:13:43,760 --> 00:13:45,880 Speaker 2: It was very happy to hear. That was one of 269 00:13:45,920 --> 00:13:47,720 Speaker 2: the last things the judge told the Jersey. 270 00:13:47,720 --> 00:13:50,240 Speaker 1: That's interesting to hear. So this is why I never heard. 271 00:13:50,960 --> 00:13:56,400 Speaker 1: Does intent to commit racketeering matter? Do you have to 272 00:13:56,440 --> 00:13:58,800 Speaker 1: have the intent to be a mob boss? 273 00:13:58,800 --> 00:13:59,920 Speaker 2: It seems like the answer is ye. 274 00:14:00,280 --> 00:14:03,160 Speaker 1: To that, then all this is out the window. Then 275 00:14:03,280 --> 00:14:08,360 Speaker 1: isn't it to suggest that Diddy was running a enterprise 276 00:14:08,559 --> 00:14:13,880 Speaker 1: for the purpose of committing I am a huge music 277 00:14:13,920 --> 00:14:16,600 Speaker 1: star and the purpose of all this is so I 278 00:14:16,600 --> 00:14:18,480 Speaker 1: can have drug fueled sex nights. 279 00:14:18,559 --> 00:14:22,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's for pleasure. Well, he was doing what he 280 00:14:22,360 --> 00:14:26,960 Speaker 2: did for pleasure, personal pleasure, sexual pleasure, drugs. You could say, yes, 281 00:14:27,000 --> 00:14:29,560 Speaker 2: he wants to be high. He wants to numb, So 282 00:14:30,160 --> 00:14:34,640 Speaker 2: that's very different. So that intent seems to be very different. 283 00:14:34,680 --> 00:14:37,400 Speaker 2: I don't, you know, I don't know how the story 284 00:14:37,440 --> 00:14:39,920 Speaker 2: is going to figure this out. I really don't because 285 00:14:39,960 --> 00:14:42,480 Speaker 2: even when you hear the judge clearly say what this is, 286 00:14:42,600 --> 00:14:46,240 Speaker 2: what that is, there's still so much room for what 287 00:14:46,280 --> 00:14:49,000 Speaker 2: you think, what you feel, what your experience is, what 288 00:14:49,040 --> 00:14:50,800 Speaker 2: you would put on someone else, what you know you've 289 00:14:50,800 --> 00:14:53,240 Speaker 2: personally done in your life, and would that be racketeering? 290 00:14:53,280 --> 00:14:55,280 Speaker 2: And by the way, the judge just spoke, most people 291 00:14:55,280 --> 00:14:57,880 Speaker 2: in this country would be guilty of racketeering then with 292 00:14:58,080 --> 00:15:00,960 Speaker 2: drug use, I mean, even if it's just like a 293 00:15:01,000 --> 00:15:04,600 Speaker 2: prescription pill somebody needs anti depressed and somebody needs a xani, 294 00:15:04,680 --> 00:15:06,400 Speaker 2: how many people have just passed that stuff out, you 295 00:15:06,440 --> 00:15:08,720 Speaker 2: know what I mean? Like, it's just I think people 296 00:15:08,760 --> 00:15:11,040 Speaker 2: bring in their own real life experiences to this too 297 00:15:11,040 --> 00:15:15,600 Speaker 2: when they're judging, and this seems ah, this seems so 298 00:15:16,760 --> 00:15:19,480 Speaker 2: there's so many gray areas. That's the issue. 299 00:15:19,640 --> 00:15:23,120 Speaker 1: And another key point the judge had today was if 300 00:15:23,160 --> 00:15:28,120 Speaker 1: a witness lied about one thing, then hey, you can 301 00:15:28,160 --> 00:15:43,360 Speaker 1: assume they lied about everything. We continue here on this Monday, 302 00:15:43,600 --> 00:15:46,920 Speaker 1: June thirtieth, the first day of deliberations. Now in the 303 00:15:47,240 --> 00:15:52,840 Speaker 1: Diddy trial, as we speak, the jury deliberations have officially begun, 304 00:15:52,880 --> 00:15:54,760 Speaker 1: and before they went in robes, of course, the judge 305 00:15:54,760 --> 00:15:56,920 Speaker 1: gave them their instructions and a key part of the instruction, 306 00:15:57,600 --> 00:15:59,960 Speaker 1: and this is something we heard his defense attorney talking 307 00:16:00,040 --> 00:16:03,480 Speaker 1: about yesterday. But look, if you think one witness, if 308 00:16:03,480 --> 00:16:07,680 Speaker 1: a witness lied about one thing, you can assume they 309 00:16:07,760 --> 00:16:09,080 Speaker 1: lied about everything if you want to. 310 00:16:09,160 --> 00:16:11,760 Speaker 2: That was a key point and that was something yes, 311 00:16:11,840 --> 00:16:14,280 Speaker 2: that the defense was trying to hammer home on their 312 00:16:14,320 --> 00:16:17,560 Speaker 2: closing arguments. Yes, but the judge made it very very clear, 313 00:16:17,680 --> 00:16:22,760 Speaker 2: if you find that any witness willfully testified falsely, you 314 00:16:22,760 --> 00:16:25,880 Speaker 2: have the right to reject the testimony if that witness 315 00:16:26,040 --> 00:16:30,840 Speaker 2: in its entirety, even if you find them truthful or 316 00:16:30,920 --> 00:16:35,240 Speaker 2: credible in other parts, the judge is still instructing the 317 00:16:35,280 --> 00:16:38,960 Speaker 2: jury that they have the right to then disregard every 318 00:16:39,120 --> 00:16:43,760 Speaker 2: single thing that witness testified to. And so, because especially 319 00:16:43,760 --> 00:16:46,920 Speaker 2: with that big Perry Mason moment the defense had when 320 00:16:46,960 --> 00:16:50,040 Speaker 2: it came to the timeline that Mia was giving about 321 00:16:50,040 --> 00:16:52,800 Speaker 2: whether or not did you actually dangled her over that 322 00:16:52,880 --> 00:16:55,400 Speaker 2: sixteenth floor balcony on said date once. 323 00:16:55,360 --> 00:16:58,400 Speaker 1: That was you know what, Wow, that. 324 00:17:00,920 --> 00:17:05,320 Speaker 2: Was Brianna Bongoland. But that witness, it seems specifically, if 325 00:17:05,640 --> 00:17:09,800 Speaker 2: you are taking the judge what he instructed you to disregard, 326 00:17:10,440 --> 00:17:14,160 Speaker 2: certainly in that moment, that was not a true statement 327 00:17:14,200 --> 00:17:16,800 Speaker 2: and it was proven not to be true that he 328 00:17:16,920 --> 00:17:21,040 Speaker 2: dangled Brianna from that balcony on that very specific date. 329 00:17:21,760 --> 00:17:24,600 Speaker 1: Did you're speaking of me? Why do I think Capricorn 330 00:17:24,680 --> 00:17:27,080 Speaker 1: Clark had something? I thought she got hung up or 331 00:17:27,119 --> 00:17:29,800 Speaker 1: got caught in something that wasn't quite clear. Brianna Bonglan 332 00:17:29,880 --> 00:17:34,280 Speaker 1: obviously was the big one. But the defense attorney Mark Agniphillo, Yes, 333 00:17:34,359 --> 00:17:37,080 Speaker 1: finally got that right. Agniphillo. Yeah, the trial is wrapping up. 334 00:17:37,080 --> 00:17:40,080 Speaker 1: I finally got his last name right. But he made 335 00:17:40,119 --> 00:17:43,080 Speaker 1: that point in closing, he made sure he got that 336 00:17:43,200 --> 00:17:44,800 Speaker 1: in there. He said, the judge is going to instruct 337 00:17:44,840 --> 00:17:47,320 Speaker 1: you on this tomorrow but or on Monday. But let 338 00:17:47,359 --> 00:17:50,720 Speaker 1: me tell you, but absolutely so, Brianna Bongley was a 339 00:17:50,800 --> 00:17:54,480 Speaker 1: key a key witness, not only because of what happened 340 00:17:54,480 --> 00:17:57,760 Speaker 1: to her, but because of what she allegedly saw, Because 341 00:17:57,800 --> 00:18:01,160 Speaker 1: of what she saw did he allegedly do, and how 342 00:18:01,160 --> 00:18:04,720 Speaker 1: he behaved and even suggested he assaulted her. And then 343 00:18:05,080 --> 00:18:07,920 Speaker 1: was she smoking a marijuana cigarette or was this a 344 00:18:07,960 --> 00:18:12,040 Speaker 1: regular cigarette? Like there were little things in there. The days, 345 00:18:12,160 --> 00:18:13,639 Speaker 1: How many days is she spilling the stand? 346 00:18:14,240 --> 00:18:15,000 Speaker 2: Multiple days? 347 00:18:15,400 --> 00:18:20,679 Speaker 1: Multiple days, that key prosecution witness. They might take all 348 00:18:20,760 --> 00:18:24,439 Speaker 1: of her testimony and scrap it up and throw it 349 00:18:24,480 --> 00:18:27,080 Speaker 1: out because they just say, ah, don't believe me. In 350 00:18:27,119 --> 00:18:29,199 Speaker 1: the justice, I got the right to disregard all of it. 351 00:18:30,240 --> 00:18:33,000 Speaker 2: And you know that the defense wanted that in there 352 00:18:33,040 --> 00:18:35,520 Speaker 2: as well. It seems as though with the judges instructions, 353 00:18:35,520 --> 00:18:38,119 Speaker 2: the defense got a lot of what they wanted the 354 00:18:38,240 --> 00:18:41,960 Speaker 2: jury to remember or at least told they were capable 355 00:18:42,080 --> 00:18:44,680 Speaker 2: of doing when they went into that deliberation room, when 356 00:18:44,680 --> 00:18:46,480 Speaker 2: they started to look at the evidence and really go 357 00:18:46,600 --> 00:18:49,040 Speaker 2: they have the transcripts, they can go back and actually 358 00:18:49,119 --> 00:18:52,600 Speaker 2: see those moments where some of the witnesses might have 359 00:18:52,680 --> 00:18:57,400 Speaker 2: been caught up in ambiguous testimony or at least testimony 360 00:18:57,400 --> 00:19:00,600 Speaker 2: that maybe they later had to amend or change. And yeah, 361 00:19:00,640 --> 00:19:02,720 Speaker 2: you just need what win is to say, nep, I 362 00:19:02,720 --> 00:19:06,199 Speaker 2: don't believe I don't believe that, and it goes Oh, 363 00:19:06,400 --> 00:19:07,359 Speaker 2: it all goes away. 364 00:19:09,560 --> 00:19:12,840 Speaker 1: Next, So what's the next Now for the next I 365 00:19:12,840 --> 00:19:15,040 Speaker 1: mean we wait. We literally this is okay, and now 366 00:19:15,040 --> 00:19:15,400 Speaker 1: we wait. 367 00:19:15,520 --> 00:19:17,439 Speaker 2: We are waiting, but the clock is ticking. Yeah. The 368 00:19:17,480 --> 00:19:19,879 Speaker 2: first thing that the jurors are supposed to do is 369 00:19:19,920 --> 00:19:24,000 Speaker 2: to pick a four person. So they're supposed we're waiting, 370 00:19:24,080 --> 00:19:26,600 Speaker 2: I guess for a message. They will when they vote 371 00:19:26,600 --> 00:19:28,520 Speaker 2: and they pick out their four person, they will then 372 00:19:28,600 --> 00:19:32,359 Speaker 2: send that message to the judge, and I believe the 373 00:19:32,440 --> 00:19:34,880 Speaker 2: judge will then let the courtroom know who the four 374 00:19:34,920 --> 00:19:37,159 Speaker 2: person is, or at least that they've found or picked 375 00:19:37,600 --> 00:19:39,720 Speaker 2: chosen a four person and are going forward from there. 376 00:19:40,760 --> 00:19:43,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, and after that, we are waiting for them to decide, 377 00:19:43,840 --> 00:19:45,840 Speaker 1: for them to let us. Yeah, two notes he asked for. 378 00:19:45,880 --> 00:19:47,280 Speaker 1: He says, send me a note, let me know who 379 00:19:47,280 --> 00:19:48,760 Speaker 1: the four person is, and what was the second one? 380 00:19:48,840 --> 00:19:51,159 Speaker 1: Let me know what your schedule is going to be. 381 00:19:51,320 --> 00:19:56,000 Speaker 1: He's asking them, when do you all want to stop deliberating? 382 00:19:56,000 --> 00:19:58,400 Speaker 1: He said they can go until five every day. 383 00:19:58,440 --> 00:20:00,000 Speaker 2: He said, they can go past five pm. Yeah. 384 00:20:00,000 --> 00:20:02,480 Speaker 1: I had to say, I've certainly seen judges. I've seen 385 00:20:02,600 --> 00:20:04,280 Speaker 1: juries like get us the hell out of here. I 386 00:20:04,320 --> 00:20:06,720 Speaker 1: still till eight o'clock, nine o'clock. Sometimes, don't know. This 387 00:20:06,800 --> 00:20:09,080 Speaker 1: jury could go into three, because they've been going nine 388 00:20:09,080 --> 00:20:11,920 Speaker 1: to three has been what the court's been. I don't 389 00:20:11,920 --> 00:20:13,040 Speaker 1: even know how to guess that. 390 00:20:13,040 --> 00:20:16,359 Speaker 2: No, because it depends on those jurors individual lives and 391 00:20:16,359 --> 00:20:18,040 Speaker 2: what their lives are like schools out here in New 392 00:20:18,119 --> 00:20:20,480 Speaker 2: York Finally, for the first time since they started deliberating. 393 00:20:20,840 --> 00:20:23,159 Speaker 2: Not sure if any of these folks or parents, but 394 00:20:23,280 --> 00:20:25,960 Speaker 2: that could have a huge impact because up until Thursday, 395 00:20:26,320 --> 00:20:28,320 Speaker 2: if they had kids, their kids were in school. Now 396 00:20:28,359 --> 00:20:30,320 Speaker 2: those kids are out of school here in the New 397 00:20:30,400 --> 00:20:32,160 Speaker 2: York City area. It's a late time to get out. 398 00:20:32,200 --> 00:20:35,760 Speaker 2: But yeah, it is crazy timing. And also of note, 399 00:20:35,920 --> 00:20:40,280 Speaker 2: the judge sent the five alternates home and said you 400 00:20:40,280 --> 00:20:43,679 Speaker 2: can go home. However you need to keep They have 401 00:20:43,720 --> 00:20:45,320 Speaker 2: to have a phone number, they have to be able 402 00:20:45,359 --> 00:20:47,399 Speaker 2: to be reached at a moment's notice. They kind of 403 00:20:47,400 --> 00:20:49,199 Speaker 2: have to be on standby, so to speak. And he 404 00:20:49,240 --> 00:20:51,720 Speaker 2: actually did apologize to them. He said, I'm so sorry 405 00:20:51,760 --> 00:20:53,679 Speaker 2: most of you will not be able to see this 406 00:20:53,760 --> 00:20:56,679 Speaker 2: through to the deliberation process. And can you imagine you 407 00:20:56,720 --> 00:21:02,280 Speaker 2: spent that much time of your life watching, witnessing, probably 408 00:21:02,359 --> 00:21:05,399 Speaker 2: forming your own opinions, and then not actually getting to contribute. 409 00:21:05,800 --> 00:21:07,600 Speaker 1: I was waiting on you to say that out loud, 410 00:21:08,240 --> 00:21:10,160 Speaker 1: and then I figured you'd come to the same conclusion 411 00:21:10,200 --> 00:21:13,520 Speaker 1: I did. That's the best place to be. I got 412 00:21:13,520 --> 00:21:16,159 Speaker 1: a front row seat. I got to experience history and 413 00:21:16,200 --> 00:21:17,879 Speaker 1: see this and it is It'll go down in history 414 00:21:17,920 --> 00:21:20,320 Speaker 1: this trial, and then I get to go home and 415 00:21:20,359 --> 00:21:23,200 Speaker 1: I don't actually have to vote and figure this out. 416 00:21:23,320 --> 00:21:28,359 Speaker 1: This is just too heavy. It's just jurys, jurors, God 417 00:21:28,440 --> 00:21:31,640 Speaker 1: love you. I've been called of some jury duties, never 418 00:21:31,680 --> 00:21:34,040 Speaker 1: had to serve on a jury. This is just to 419 00:21:34,040 --> 00:21:37,359 Speaker 1: have somebody's life in your hands. This civic duty is 420 00:21:37,400 --> 00:21:39,719 Speaker 1: what we're all supposed to do. It's just it's a 421 00:21:39,760 --> 00:21:42,840 Speaker 1: lot of robes because you can see sympathy with so 422 00:21:42,960 --> 00:21:45,760 Speaker 1: many people. What do people deserve? What is fairness? What 423 00:21:45,880 --> 00:21:47,960 Speaker 1: is the law say? What is my common sense tell me? 424 00:21:48,000 --> 00:21:50,000 Speaker 1: What does my eyes tell me? What does my heart 425 00:21:50,040 --> 00:21:52,960 Speaker 1: tell me? I don't know. 426 00:21:53,440 --> 00:21:56,080 Speaker 2: And then the dynamic of those other folks in the 427 00:21:56,200 --> 00:21:59,320 Speaker 2: room with all of their different life experiences coming in, 428 00:21:59,359 --> 00:22:01,560 Speaker 2: and then everyone has to find a compromise because at 429 00:22:01,560 --> 00:22:03,959 Speaker 2: the end of the day, this has to be a 430 00:22:04,200 --> 00:22:09,000 Speaker 2: unanimous decision on all five of these charges. So you know, 431 00:22:09,200 --> 00:22:12,600 Speaker 2: some some cases are more complicated than others. And obviously 432 00:22:12,800 --> 00:22:15,119 Speaker 2: murder trials, someone's life is truly on the life. But 433 00:22:15,200 --> 00:22:18,359 Speaker 2: sometimes it's as simple as a murder charge or you know, 434 00:22:18,440 --> 00:22:22,600 Speaker 2: a first degree or second degree charge. This is so complicated, 435 00:22:22,640 --> 00:22:25,400 Speaker 2: with so many different types of charges that carry very 436 00:22:25,400 --> 00:22:30,000 Speaker 2: different punishments. It's it's exceptionally confusing. That's why I you know, look, 437 00:22:30,040 --> 00:22:33,199 Speaker 2: this could they could come back at any point, but 438 00:22:33,280 --> 00:22:34,960 Speaker 2: it seems like it's going to take some time. 439 00:22:35,080 --> 00:22:39,600 Speaker 1: Be shocked if we get anything, you know what, I 440 00:22:39,600 --> 00:22:42,560 Speaker 1: if I were a betting man, I would put it 441 00:22:42,600 --> 00:22:45,440 Speaker 1: through fourth of julyne if I were a betting man, 442 00:22:45,480 --> 00:22:47,080 Speaker 1: I would put it through that unless they do some 443 00:22:47,200 --> 00:22:49,240 Speaker 1: longer hours or if they want to get out of 444 00:22:49,280 --> 00:22:52,600 Speaker 1: their fine. But it is so step by step, twelve 445 00:22:52,640 --> 00:22:55,000 Speaker 1: people we have to go through and listen to twelve 446 00:22:55,040 --> 00:22:59,919 Speaker 1: people on eight different counts that only lead to the 447 00:23:00,160 --> 00:23:03,359 Speaker 1: one racketeering count. I mean, it's it's I don't know. 448 00:23:03,400 --> 00:23:04,320 Speaker 1: I don't know how they do it. 449 00:23:04,440 --> 00:23:06,080 Speaker 2: I don't either. I was trying to think about it 450 00:23:06,080 --> 00:23:08,000 Speaker 2: as a parent, like just having a couple of kids, 451 00:23:08,000 --> 00:23:10,240 Speaker 2: trying to figure out what you want to do for 452 00:23:10,240 --> 00:23:13,680 Speaker 2: today or what food you want to order. It's that's 453 00:23:13,680 --> 00:23:17,760 Speaker 2: hard to get twelve people to agree on something this 454 00:23:17,920 --> 00:23:21,400 Speaker 2: serious and this complex, with the world watching, knowing you're 455 00:23:21,440 --> 00:23:23,400 Speaker 2: gonna be questioned and knowing you're gonna have to sleep 456 00:23:23,400 --> 00:23:23,720 Speaker 2: at night. 457 00:23:23,800 --> 00:23:27,840 Speaker 1: Which one takes less time? Which charge? Which one you 458 00:23:27,880 --> 00:23:29,840 Speaker 1: think they would get through fairly quickly? 459 00:23:32,359 --> 00:23:36,480 Speaker 2: Well hmmm, I mean I feel like the drug charge, 460 00:23:37,640 --> 00:23:39,119 Speaker 2: But that's a part of the racketeering. That's part of 461 00:23:39,119 --> 00:23:40,080 Speaker 2: the rector see, that's part of the. 462 00:23:40,080 --> 00:23:43,399 Speaker 1: Racketeer's actually charged with kidnapthel and charged with arson, not 463 00:23:43,520 --> 00:23:47,920 Speaker 1: charged with drugs, but those underlying crimes go into the racketeering. 464 00:23:48,000 --> 00:23:51,040 Speaker 1: That's crazy tell to think about. But the prostitution one 465 00:23:51,200 --> 00:23:55,880 Speaker 1: is the one that because yes, he paid those guys 466 00:23:56,160 --> 00:23:58,240 Speaker 1: flew to where he was and they ended up having 467 00:23:58,320 --> 00:23:59,920 Speaker 1: sex with his girlfriend. 468 00:24:00,040 --> 00:24:03,560 Speaker 2: Would have to buy the defense's argument that he was 469 00:24:03,640 --> 00:24:07,399 Speaker 2: paying for their experience and their time and not for 470 00:24:07,440 --> 00:24:09,760 Speaker 2: their sex. And I think that's a hard one to 471 00:24:09,800 --> 00:24:11,960 Speaker 2: believe because the video shows differently. 472 00:24:12,520 --> 00:24:16,560 Speaker 1: And let's litigate the case. Yes, that's second. Yes, this argument, well, 473 00:24:16,720 --> 00:24:21,760 Speaker 1: why don't you just shut down all escort services? Was 474 00:24:21,800 --> 00:24:27,879 Speaker 1: the Yes, we hired an escort. They're online cowboys for angels. Okay, 475 00:24:28,040 --> 00:24:31,320 Speaker 1: I'm just hiring an escort. Why is that business legal? 476 00:24:31,600 --> 00:24:33,200 Speaker 1: And I'm supposed to put this man in jail for 477 00:24:33,240 --> 00:24:33,840 Speaker 1: the rest of his way? 478 00:24:34,200 --> 00:24:37,520 Speaker 2: No, And I think that could be a human reaction. 479 00:24:37,600 --> 00:24:39,719 Speaker 2: It's not necessarily the legal one, because I think if 480 00:24:39,720 --> 00:24:43,440 Speaker 2: you look at the legal part of this, it seems 481 00:24:43,480 --> 00:24:46,280 Speaker 2: like it's a fairly cut and dry issue that he 482 00:24:46,440 --> 00:24:52,199 Speaker 2: absolutely paid for male escorts and Cassie and Jane to 483 00:24:52,359 --> 00:24:56,360 Speaker 2: cross state lines to participate in sex parties, and he 484 00:24:57,080 --> 00:24:59,680 Speaker 2: paid them for it, So that does But he's claiming 485 00:24:59,720 --> 00:25:01,600 Speaker 2: he will paid for their experience in time and the 486 00:25:01,640 --> 00:25:03,240 Speaker 2: sex just happened to happen. 487 00:25:03,400 --> 00:25:08,359 Speaker 1: Everybody else who hires an escort, right, correct, you're hiring 488 00:25:08,400 --> 00:25:11,480 Speaker 1: and escort. What happens after that? Hey, it's up to you. 489 00:25:11,880 --> 00:25:14,439 Speaker 1: I'm just saying that I see that. So the prostitution 490 00:25:14,560 --> 00:25:17,280 Speaker 1: one seems to be, well, he paid, they can't have 491 00:25:17,320 --> 00:25:20,280 Speaker 1: sex five But this is the one that is up 492 00:25:20,320 --> 00:25:21,639 Speaker 1: to ten years in prison. 493 00:25:21,680 --> 00:25:24,400 Speaker 2: So it's the lesser of all the right, I think 494 00:25:24,400 --> 00:25:26,840 Speaker 2: the one. Yes that so that one seems like the 495 00:25:26,880 --> 00:25:31,280 Speaker 2: most obvious one that they could come to a conclusion on. 496 00:25:31,400 --> 00:25:36,120 Speaker 2: But who knows, because look, again, every juror brings their 497 00:25:36,119 --> 00:25:38,440 Speaker 2: life experience into that deliberating room. 498 00:25:38,880 --> 00:25:39,960 Speaker 1: Hope no guys in there. 499 00:25:40,040 --> 00:25:42,119 Speaker 2: Well, there's eight men and four women. 500 00:25:42,600 --> 00:25:45,320 Speaker 1: Hope none of them are frequent visitors to Cowboys for 501 00:25:45,359 --> 00:25:48,040 Speaker 1: Angels or well, no, they wouldn't be. I guess right. 502 00:25:48,160 --> 00:25:52,600 Speaker 2: Well, the boys for Angels, yes, but cowboys for angels, 503 00:25:52,760 --> 00:25:56,919 Speaker 2: Angels for cowboys, cowboys for angels yes. So anyway, we 504 00:25:57,000 --> 00:25:59,520 Speaker 2: will continue to wait along with all of you in 505 00:25:59,560 --> 00:26:03,200 Speaker 2: any odes anything interesting that comes out of the courtroom 506 00:26:03,200 --> 00:26:05,560 Speaker 2: we'll pop back on. So take a look at your phone, 507 00:26:05,600 --> 00:26:07,800 Speaker 2: keep your eye on it, because we will absolutely be 508 00:26:07,920 --> 00:26:11,359 Speaker 2: updating our Amy and TJ podcast speed with any new 509 00:26:12,080 --> 00:26:14,399 Speaker 2: developments that will happen throughout the day to day and 510 00:26:14,440 --> 00:26:16,360 Speaker 2: for the days to come. But in the meantime, thank 511 00:26:16,400 --> 00:26:19,520 Speaker 2: you for listening to us here on this Monday afternoon. 512 00:26:19,800 --> 00:26:28,720 Speaker 2: Hopefully all have a good one.