1 00:00:03,360 --> 00:00:07,640 Speaker 1: It's a hot take. Logan Rys a bad person, She's 2 00:00:07,640 --> 00:00:14,200 Speaker 1: she any not mate, not my mate. Yo yo yo, 3 00:00:15,320 --> 00:00:22,800 Speaker 1: what is your child? High mother? I am yo. I'm 4 00:00:22,800 --> 00:00:36,720 Speaker 1: going down the store like Welcome to Like a Virgin, 5 00:00:36,800 --> 00:00:40,199 Speaker 1: the show where we give yesterday's pop culture today's takes. 6 00:00:40,479 --> 00:00:45,600 Speaker 1: I'm Rose, damn you, and I'm fran Toronto. Franny, you 7 00:00:46,320 --> 00:00:52,600 Speaker 1: are incredibly tan. Yeah, I am a gorgeous golden sheen slash, 8 00:00:52,800 --> 00:00:58,160 Speaker 1: a sun poisoned reddish brown. Um. And you look you 9 00:00:58,280 --> 00:01:03,320 Speaker 1: look like you And a week on a boat which 10 00:01:03,360 --> 00:01:06,760 Speaker 1: you in fact did that I in fact did. It 11 00:01:06,880 --> 00:01:10,600 Speaker 1: was truly an incredible experience. Nothing that happened on the 12 00:01:10,600 --> 00:01:13,560 Speaker 1: boat really could have been predicted. And yet here I 13 00:01:13,600 --> 00:01:19,560 Speaker 1: am and I am now at devout cruise attendee. Um. 14 00:01:19,600 --> 00:01:22,160 Speaker 1: I would take a cruise literally anytime, if it's free. 15 00:01:22,840 --> 00:01:27,600 Speaker 1: If it's free, important important disclaimer. And I think that 16 00:01:27,640 --> 00:01:30,080 Speaker 1: you need I think that you need to lead with 17 00:01:30,160 --> 00:01:32,920 Speaker 1: your your on your cruise recap. I think you need 18 00:01:32,959 --> 00:01:36,880 Speaker 1: to lead with the news that the main event the 19 00:01:36,959 --> 00:01:40,640 Speaker 1: diva doll herself as it well, the main event is 20 00:01:40,680 --> 00:01:42,520 Speaker 1: that on day one I don't even know if he 21 00:01:42,800 --> 00:01:46,479 Speaker 1: knows this. On day one of the cruise. Um we 22 00:01:46,600 --> 00:01:48,720 Speaker 1: you know, had departed from Miami on our way to 23 00:01:48,800 --> 00:01:52,360 Speaker 1: under Us and um late in the night, there's you know, 24 00:01:52,440 --> 00:01:57,520 Speaker 1: the dude, dude, and then a little this is your bam, 25 00:01:58,120 --> 00:02:01,440 Speaker 1: we are returning back to the shore a medical emergency. 26 00:02:01,600 --> 00:02:03,840 Speaker 1: We will be updating you blah blah. And so we're like, oh, 27 00:02:03,880 --> 00:02:07,000 Speaker 1: that's kind of weird, Like the trip is like stopped, sure, 28 00:02:07,320 --> 00:02:10,280 Speaker 1: like right at the beginning. What's going on the next morning, 29 00:02:10,600 --> 00:02:14,480 Speaker 1: eight o'clock in the morning, do do do? And like 30 00:02:14,560 --> 00:02:19,360 Speaker 1: the Captain's like, hello, passengers, we are so sorry to 31 00:02:19,680 --> 00:02:23,519 Speaker 1: let you know that last night a passenger was leaning 32 00:02:23,520 --> 00:02:26,680 Speaker 1: over the balcony on the seventeenth floor and fell to 33 00:02:26,760 --> 00:02:31,880 Speaker 1: the seventh floor of the ship and died. And everyone 34 00:02:31,960 --> 00:02:38,120 Speaker 1: on the cruise got a free cruise. That's crazy. Wait, 35 00:02:38,160 --> 00:02:41,000 Speaker 1: like like they refunded you or they gave you a 36 00:02:41,080 --> 00:02:44,160 Speaker 1: voucher for another cruise. It's unclear to me. I'm pretty 37 00:02:44,200 --> 00:02:46,840 Speaker 1: sure it's a it's a voucher that you didn't You 38 00:02:46,880 --> 00:02:49,760 Speaker 1: didn't immediately go and be like, Hi, Diva, can I 39 00:02:49,840 --> 00:02:54,000 Speaker 1: call you? Can you tell me exactly? Well, this whole 40 00:02:54,120 --> 00:02:57,079 Speaker 1: depth thing is about because we didn't really pay, like 41 00:02:57,400 --> 00:03:00,280 Speaker 1: we didn't really pay, Like we paid like a kind 42 00:03:00,320 --> 00:03:02,680 Speaker 1: of like a service charge whatever, but we didn't really 43 00:03:02,720 --> 00:03:04,320 Speaker 1: pay for the cruise, so we weren't really sure if 44 00:03:04,320 --> 00:03:06,160 Speaker 1: ours were refunded. We were mostly just like, oh, my 45 00:03:06,240 --> 00:03:09,240 Speaker 1: fucking god, this is crazy. And our friend who works 46 00:03:09,240 --> 00:03:10,799 Speaker 1: for the cruise line, who was on the ship, We're 47 00:03:10,840 --> 00:03:14,240 Speaker 1: like worried about him. And so it was like a 48 00:03:14,240 --> 00:03:17,639 Speaker 1: lot of investigating, like us being a nice, like human, 49 00:03:17,720 --> 00:03:21,000 Speaker 1: empathetic person. I skipped to that part well, like, honey, 50 00:03:21,040 --> 00:03:23,919 Speaker 1: don't get it twisted, like we were immediately cracking jokes, 51 00:03:23,919 --> 00:03:26,080 Speaker 1: and like the energy on the boat that morning was 52 00:03:26,120 --> 00:03:27,680 Speaker 1: so dark, and I did where I was like, oh 53 00:03:27,720 --> 00:03:29,600 Speaker 1: thank god, I packed at least like one outfit that 54 00:03:29,680 --> 00:03:35,880 Speaker 1: was all black you more, yes, with my dark sunglasses. 55 00:03:35,960 --> 00:03:38,840 Speaker 1: But like Laurel and I were like trying so hard 56 00:03:38,880 --> 00:03:43,800 Speaker 1: to not make like, you know, woman overboard jokes, um, 57 00:03:43,880 --> 00:03:47,360 Speaker 1: you know, like and and we we overboard starring Goldie Hanks. Yes, 58 00:03:47,400 --> 00:03:49,040 Speaker 1: and we tried. I think we did a pretty good 59 00:03:49,080 --> 00:03:51,640 Speaker 1: job of like being sensitible also acknowledging that that is 60 00:03:51,640 --> 00:03:54,200 Speaker 1: like kind of genuinely whack a doodle, And like I 61 00:03:54,240 --> 00:03:56,360 Speaker 1: hope that the families of those people are okay, But 62 00:03:56,400 --> 00:03:59,520 Speaker 1: also we were all gossiping. Wait and didn't wait and 63 00:03:59,560 --> 00:04:04,720 Speaker 1: didn't she fell onto someone fell onto another passenger who 64 00:04:04,840 --> 00:04:07,760 Speaker 1: survived and was fine. Can you imagine being the person 65 00:04:08,440 --> 00:04:14,360 Speaker 1: who someone fell on top of and died? No, it really, 66 00:04:14,800 --> 00:04:18,240 Speaker 1: I don't mean that's how we were feeling. That's how 67 00:04:18,240 --> 00:04:19,919 Speaker 1: we were feeling too. We were like we were trying 68 00:04:20,000 --> 00:04:22,400 Speaker 1: so hard not to laugh because but like laughing is 69 00:04:22,440 --> 00:04:26,440 Speaker 1: just like a natural nervousness around this like really precarious thing, 70 00:04:26,440 --> 00:04:29,400 Speaker 1: because like cruises are just like willfully and knowingly like 71 00:04:29,560 --> 00:04:33,000 Speaker 1: tacky and like funny and white loadusy, Like it felt 72 00:04:33,000 --> 00:04:35,200 Speaker 1: like white lotus. I was like, this is some triangle 73 00:04:35,240 --> 00:04:39,320 Speaker 1: of sadness ass like plot development. And we were the 74 00:04:39,360 --> 00:04:41,400 Speaker 1: whole the rest of the week, we were just gossiping 75 00:04:41,400 --> 00:04:44,000 Speaker 1: with other passengers. So like something that I really love 76 00:04:44,120 --> 00:04:46,400 Speaker 1: about cruises is it is it does have kind of 77 00:04:46,400 --> 00:04:50,160 Speaker 1: a summer can't feel. And this was an adult's only cruise, 78 00:04:50,560 --> 00:04:53,000 Speaker 1: so no children and everyone can kind of just like 79 00:04:53,080 --> 00:04:56,360 Speaker 1: be you know, like adults. And so we were just 80 00:04:56,400 --> 00:04:59,039 Speaker 1: like gossiping about what was happening and talking to each 81 00:04:59,040 --> 00:05:02,360 Speaker 1: other and making friends ends and like um, yeah, and 82 00:05:02,440 --> 00:05:05,800 Speaker 1: I texted you this over the weekend and you still 83 00:05:05,839 --> 00:05:08,520 Speaker 1: don't believe me. But I do think that for the 84 00:05:08,520 --> 00:05:12,320 Speaker 1: most part, a cruise like this is so up your 85 00:05:12,320 --> 00:05:15,920 Speaker 1: alley in terms of style of vacation, Babes, No, no, 86 00:05:15,960 --> 00:05:17,760 Speaker 1: but he can you Can you hear me out? Can 87 00:05:17,760 --> 00:05:20,480 Speaker 1: you hear me out? Even if it's I've heard you out? 88 00:05:20,600 --> 00:05:22,640 Speaker 1: I get, I get the argument, But yeah, for the 89 00:05:22,680 --> 00:05:25,320 Speaker 1: for the sake of Virgin, I'm saying yes, and I 90 00:05:25,320 --> 00:05:27,080 Speaker 1: would like to. I like to hear your argue. Even 91 00:05:27,120 --> 00:05:30,039 Speaker 1: if this is not true, I do feel like the 92 00:05:30,160 --> 00:05:32,640 Speaker 1: thing about Virgin, Babe. The thing about a cruise like 93 00:05:32,680 --> 00:05:34,880 Speaker 1: this is one all the amenities are brand new that 94 00:05:35,160 --> 00:05:39,480 Speaker 1: like the food, tastefully done like great restaurants, like great ambiance, 95 00:05:39,600 --> 00:05:43,520 Speaker 1: good programming, like everything everything about it was like so 96 00:05:44,080 --> 00:05:47,000 Speaker 1: gorge and nice in comparison to like what you think 97 00:05:47,000 --> 00:05:49,240 Speaker 1: a cruise might be, which is like carnival cruises where 98 00:05:49,240 --> 00:05:52,119 Speaker 1: it's like packed and disgusting. This is a really, really 99 00:05:52,200 --> 00:05:54,400 Speaker 1: like low key cruise with not that many people on it. 100 00:05:54,440 --> 00:05:57,360 Speaker 1: But most importantly, with a cruise, you don't have to 101 00:05:57,400 --> 00:06:02,640 Speaker 1: make any decisions, like you can eat at any time, anytime, 102 00:06:02,839 --> 00:06:05,800 Speaker 1: anytime you want whenever you want, wherever you want, you 103 00:06:05,800 --> 00:06:08,400 Speaker 1: can shake your iPhone and someone will bring you champagne 104 00:06:08,520 --> 00:06:11,640 Speaker 1: anywhere you are on the boat. Anywhere you are on 105 00:06:11,680 --> 00:06:13,520 Speaker 1: the boat, they will bring you a bottle of My Way, 106 00:06:13,520 --> 00:06:17,320 Speaker 1: And I don't drink this. My point is the ease, 107 00:06:17,480 --> 00:06:20,640 Speaker 1: babe there. You don't have to decide where you're going 108 00:06:20,720 --> 00:06:23,040 Speaker 1: to on the boat because they just drop you off 109 00:06:23,040 --> 00:06:24,520 Speaker 1: and pick you up. They drop you off at a 110 00:06:24,560 --> 00:06:27,559 Speaker 1: resort place, so like you're not making decisions on where 111 00:06:27,600 --> 00:06:32,240 Speaker 1: you're gonna go. You like, everything on the boat is free. 112 00:06:32,600 --> 00:06:35,440 Speaker 1: You get to do whatever you want, and like most importantly, 113 00:06:35,440 --> 00:06:37,920 Speaker 1: like your time is just completely your own and you 114 00:06:38,000 --> 00:06:41,120 Speaker 1: never have to like experience decision fatigue. And I was like, 115 00:06:41,440 --> 00:06:43,719 Speaker 1: that is something even though the crowds is something you 116 00:06:43,720 --> 00:06:46,560 Speaker 1: cannot live with. I was like, Rose wants a vacation 117 00:06:46,920 --> 00:06:49,720 Speaker 1: where she makes no decisions, and that I think when 118 00:06:49,760 --> 00:06:54,000 Speaker 1: appeals to that's that's actually that's actually not true, because 119 00:06:54,160 --> 00:06:56,120 Speaker 1: I mean the thing is, while you and I have 120 00:06:56,240 --> 00:07:00,560 Speaker 1: had some great vacations where we have gone and you know, 121 00:07:00,680 --> 00:07:05,160 Speaker 1: like rented a house somewhere, we have never traveled together. 122 00:07:05,760 --> 00:07:09,240 Speaker 1: And when I'm actually traveling and exploring places I like 123 00:07:09,400 --> 00:07:12,120 Speaker 1: making decisions. I like just going out in a new 124 00:07:12,160 --> 00:07:14,560 Speaker 1: city and walking and like seeing where the day takes me. 125 00:07:14,760 --> 00:07:17,600 Speaker 1: So it's not really that part of the cruise that 126 00:07:17,720 --> 00:07:21,840 Speaker 1: I'm like, not like latching onto or that's that's not 127 00:07:21,880 --> 00:07:23,800 Speaker 1: the part of the cruise that I think would work 128 00:07:23,840 --> 00:07:26,200 Speaker 1: for me or not work for me. The thing about 129 00:07:26,520 --> 00:07:28,200 Speaker 1: the reason why I don't want to go in a 130 00:07:28,240 --> 00:07:32,280 Speaker 1: cruise is because I don't ever want to be somewhere 131 00:07:32,400 --> 00:07:36,160 Speaker 1: that you can the only way I can leave is 132 00:07:36,200 --> 00:07:39,960 Speaker 1: by jumping overboard. Well, it's just me. That's why I 133 00:07:40,000 --> 00:07:45,480 Speaker 1: never When I guess when I was a party girl, 134 00:07:45,520 --> 00:07:47,600 Speaker 1: I would never. I would never go to a boat 135 00:07:47,640 --> 00:07:52,400 Speaker 1: party ever. Yeah, person, I would. I would be row. 136 00:07:52,600 --> 00:07:54,600 Speaker 1: I would be old Rose. Well, I would be young 137 00:07:54,680 --> 00:07:57,920 Speaker 1: Rose when she tries to jump off titan off the 138 00:07:57,960 --> 00:08:01,200 Speaker 1: Titanic and you know, Leonardo DiCaprio stops her, But I 139 00:08:01,240 --> 00:08:05,400 Speaker 1: would be like bye by yeah, I just you know, 140 00:08:05,560 --> 00:08:07,960 Speaker 1: I've done the cruise thing. As we said, I lost 141 00:08:08,000 --> 00:08:12,440 Speaker 1: my Virginia on a cruise I forgot about. It's not 142 00:08:12,600 --> 00:08:16,000 Speaker 1: it's not the crowds. It's not like I'm not gonna 143 00:08:16,120 --> 00:08:18,800 Speaker 1: it's not like being seasick or anything. It's just I 144 00:08:18,840 --> 00:08:21,360 Speaker 1: don't want to be trapped like that. It's not my 145 00:08:21,440 --> 00:08:25,640 Speaker 1: preferred way to travel. I know, I understand, but I'm 146 00:08:25,800 --> 00:08:28,240 Speaker 1: I'm so happy you had I'm so happy you had 147 00:08:28,240 --> 00:08:30,560 Speaker 1: a great time. I did have a great time. Laurel 148 00:08:30,640 --> 00:08:32,280 Speaker 1: and I were just did you like, did you do 149 00:08:32,480 --> 00:08:35,440 Speaker 1: like a did you do this sort of like, um, 150 00:08:35,559 --> 00:08:38,559 Speaker 1: you know, they always have activities for your stops. Did 151 00:08:38,559 --> 00:08:41,679 Speaker 1: you like go parasailing or like snarkling or anything. Laurel 152 00:08:41,760 --> 00:08:44,160 Speaker 1: made us go snarkling. I didn't really want to because 153 00:08:44,200 --> 00:08:47,200 Speaker 1: you know, the deep sea is one of my greatest fears. Um, 154 00:08:47,240 --> 00:08:50,839 Speaker 1: as we've talked about on the pod deep super super 155 00:08:50,920 --> 00:08:55,160 Speaker 1: duper spooky. Um and uh, but that was that we 156 00:08:55,200 --> 00:08:57,080 Speaker 1: did that and it was actually really fun, like you 157 00:08:57,120 --> 00:08:58,760 Speaker 1: were It's not like you were in a submarine going 158 00:08:58,760 --> 00:09:03,120 Speaker 1: to no No. It was like if you like yeah, 159 00:09:03,280 --> 00:09:05,040 Speaker 1: and I was like doing it like basically being in 160 00:09:05,080 --> 00:09:07,319 Speaker 1: a pool with fish, doing it in my skims as 161 00:09:07,360 --> 00:09:11,120 Speaker 1: well in front of like all these like children and tourists. Um. Yeah, 162 00:09:11,120 --> 00:09:14,040 Speaker 1: it was great. Um, I was tucked at sea for sure. 163 00:09:14,160 --> 00:09:19,680 Speaker 1: It was lovely. Um And I think that honestly the 164 00:09:19,679 --> 00:09:21,640 Speaker 1: best part of the vacation. Was just like dolling up 165 00:09:21,640 --> 00:09:24,960 Speaker 1: with Laurel and like picking like one two three outfits 166 00:09:25,000 --> 00:09:28,800 Speaker 1: per day, like and just stunting your your like, um, 167 00:09:28,840 --> 00:09:32,520 Speaker 1: coverage of your trip was very fun to thank you. 168 00:09:32,679 --> 00:09:35,120 Speaker 1: I appreciate it. And I feel like a lot like 169 00:09:35,160 --> 00:09:37,040 Speaker 1: that was just like the big pot. That was like 170 00:09:37,040 --> 00:09:38,640 Speaker 1: the big fun for us was just kind of like 171 00:09:38,679 --> 00:09:41,800 Speaker 1: stomping around and being perceived and like and like being 172 00:09:41,840 --> 00:09:44,120 Speaker 1: the stars of the ship and I um and like 173 00:09:44,160 --> 00:09:45,840 Speaker 1: because everyone would just stop us and be like, oh 174 00:09:45,880 --> 00:09:47,320 Speaker 1: my god, you guys look amazing. You guys are the 175 00:09:47,320 --> 00:09:50,120 Speaker 1: most fashionable people in the blah, which is obviously what 176 00:09:50,120 --> 00:09:54,240 Speaker 1: we're fishing or yeah, of course, um literally fishing and 177 00:09:54,280 --> 00:09:57,400 Speaker 1: I I I think also like you, we both I 178 00:09:57,400 --> 00:09:59,439 Speaker 1: mean you. That's another thing that you would appreciate is 179 00:09:59,480 --> 00:10:02,520 Speaker 1: like we have you know, we are good with resort 180 00:10:02,520 --> 00:10:05,840 Speaker 1: where like we can stunt in some resort, you know, 181 00:10:05,920 --> 00:10:09,240 Speaker 1: sledh um. And I was having a lot of fun 182 00:10:09,280 --> 00:10:11,360 Speaker 1: with that, um, but I would like to do that 183 00:10:11,440 --> 00:10:13,800 Speaker 1: at a resort. Yeah, not not at a not on 184 00:10:13,880 --> 00:10:18,439 Speaker 1: a floating resort. I I did also shock horror aghast 185 00:10:19,000 --> 00:10:22,439 Speaker 1: um read two books on this cruise. You know how 186 00:10:22,440 --> 00:10:29,160 Speaker 1: to read, Yes, reveal your literate I've shook finally read 187 00:10:29,200 --> 00:10:33,120 Speaker 1: two books, um, which you know, yeah, long time coming. 188 00:10:33,160 --> 00:10:36,360 Speaker 1: I read the Nora Ephron's Book of Essays. I feel 189 00:10:36,360 --> 00:10:41,640 Speaker 1: bad about my neck, which was, to be honest, fine, 190 00:10:42,960 --> 00:10:45,360 Speaker 1: it was really fine. Like I don't know if you 191 00:10:45,679 --> 00:10:47,240 Speaker 1: have you read any of her essay you came for 192 00:10:47,280 --> 00:10:52,520 Speaker 1: her neck, um. I I have read um an essay 193 00:10:52,559 --> 00:10:55,360 Speaker 1: of hers before, and I've read her fiction a lot 194 00:10:55,400 --> 00:10:59,120 Speaker 1: of her A lot of her essays are like magazine writing, 195 00:10:59,200 --> 00:11:02,320 Speaker 1: so they're really really short, and a lot of them 196 00:11:02,360 --> 00:11:05,080 Speaker 1: are really timely or have really of the moment kind 197 00:11:05,080 --> 00:11:08,439 Speaker 1: of references that like aren't funny or or interesting anymore. 198 00:11:08,840 --> 00:11:10,280 Speaker 1: So that was like part of it, which is not 199 00:11:10,280 --> 00:11:13,880 Speaker 1: the book's fault. But she also obviously is just like 200 00:11:14,960 --> 00:11:17,480 Speaker 1: a woman with a with dated takes on. She's a 201 00:11:17,520 --> 00:11:21,560 Speaker 1: woman of a certain age in a certain generation who 202 00:11:21,679 --> 00:11:23,680 Speaker 1: you know, just spend a lot of a lot of 203 00:11:23,679 --> 00:11:27,040 Speaker 1: that books talking about like prop property, moaning property, and 204 00:11:27,200 --> 00:11:30,840 Speaker 1: like how she's getting priced out of her like injury 205 00:11:30,880 --> 00:11:33,120 Speaker 1: apartment and it's really hard for her. And I was like, 206 00:11:33,600 --> 00:11:36,400 Speaker 1: I was like shut, But her voice is incredible, and 207 00:11:36,480 --> 00:11:38,640 Speaker 1: like I was just addicted to her voice. The whole 208 00:11:38,640 --> 00:11:40,679 Speaker 1: time through and that's what got me through. But I did, 209 00:11:40,760 --> 00:11:43,000 Speaker 1: I did skip an essay or two. I'm not gonna lie. 210 00:11:43,840 --> 00:11:48,199 Speaker 1: Um Yeah, and then I also read um Cyrus Dunham's 211 00:11:48,360 --> 00:11:50,960 Speaker 1: A Year Without a Name, and I talked about that 212 00:11:51,000 --> 00:11:53,440 Speaker 1: book on our Patreon because there's a little more in 213 00:11:53,520 --> 00:11:56,840 Speaker 1: depth chatter to be had there, so you know, subscribe 214 00:11:56,880 --> 00:11:59,680 Speaker 1: to her patron if you want a quick little friends 215 00:11:59,720 --> 00:12:05,600 Speaker 1: book corner fab love to Tease Virgins. If you haven't noticed, 216 00:12:05,720 --> 00:12:09,360 Speaker 1: we're doing things a little differently this week. We you know, 217 00:12:09,400 --> 00:12:11,319 Speaker 1: we know, we've been hitting you with some of our 218 00:12:11,360 --> 00:12:17,720 Speaker 1: incredible guest centric episodes, but we haven't had a moment 219 00:12:17,800 --> 00:12:21,400 Speaker 1: to really catch up chit chat. So today it's going 220 00:12:21,440 --> 00:12:25,000 Speaker 1: to be a full, key, key episode and we're just 221 00:12:25,040 --> 00:12:27,760 Speaker 1: gonna talk about what we've been doing, what we've been consuming, 222 00:12:27,760 --> 00:12:31,040 Speaker 1: what's going on in our lives. And we did so 223 00:12:31,160 --> 00:12:34,120 Speaker 1: much of it that you will yes have to subscribe 224 00:12:34,200 --> 00:12:38,480 Speaker 1: to our patreon, become a patron patreon dot com slash 225 00:12:38,559 --> 00:12:42,520 Speaker 1: like a Virgin to get the full tea. Okay, wait, 226 00:12:42,559 --> 00:12:44,720 Speaker 1: so what did you do last week? I was literally 227 00:12:44,760 --> 00:12:46,800 Speaker 1: on a boat end, like in Communicado. A lot of 228 00:12:46,800 --> 00:12:48,520 Speaker 1: the week. It was very nice to not have cell 229 00:12:48,600 --> 00:12:54,440 Speaker 1: service or grinder. I you know, was on my grind 230 00:12:54,760 --> 00:12:57,400 Speaker 1: as I want to be. But I also did have 231 00:12:57,920 --> 00:13:04,079 Speaker 1: a pretty social week. I went to a salon hosted 232 00:13:04,120 --> 00:13:12,120 Speaker 1: by Hunter Harris UM and um, we talked about jealousy, 233 00:13:12,480 --> 00:13:17,080 Speaker 1: which was very interesting. Um Hunter Hunter like partnered with 234 00:13:17,120 --> 00:13:21,240 Speaker 1: this brand UM that are it's some kind of like 235 00:13:21,600 --> 00:13:28,520 Speaker 1: social platform UM and they are hosting these salons where 236 00:13:28,520 --> 00:13:31,480 Speaker 1: they bring women together to talk about a specific topic. 237 00:13:31,520 --> 00:13:35,679 Speaker 1: And our topic was jealousy. UM. So we you know, 238 00:13:36,000 --> 00:13:38,559 Speaker 1: there were like eight of us and we ate m 239 00:13:38,720 --> 00:13:43,040 Speaker 1: charcouterie and talked about it um for two hours, which 240 00:13:43,080 --> 00:13:46,120 Speaker 1: is very interesting and stimulating. And then you will be 241 00:13:46,120 --> 00:13:48,679 Speaker 1: shocked to hear that. On Friday night, I went to 242 00:13:48,880 --> 00:13:53,400 Speaker 1: a party afore Oh wait, yeah, I saw Charlene DJ 243 00:13:54,760 --> 00:13:58,240 Speaker 1: Yeah um, friend of friend of mine and of the 244 00:13:58,280 --> 00:14:02,240 Speaker 1: pod and former like a virgin guest. Tie Mitchell had 245 00:14:02,280 --> 00:14:06,040 Speaker 1: a birthday this weekend. Had had a party Friday night 246 00:14:06,080 --> 00:14:10,480 Speaker 1: at our friend Eric's house, and I said I was 247 00:14:10,520 --> 00:14:13,280 Speaker 1: gonna I was gonna come early and leave by eleven 248 00:14:13,320 --> 00:14:15,720 Speaker 1: and baby, you best believe that at eleven o'clock on 249 00:14:15,760 --> 00:14:20,320 Speaker 1: the dot, I looked at Ryan and went TikTok and 250 00:14:20,400 --> 00:14:24,960 Speaker 1: we were out five minutes later. Boom. I'm impressive, though, 251 00:14:25,040 --> 00:14:29,120 Speaker 1: I'm proud of you for going. I mean, look, I'm 252 00:14:29,240 --> 00:14:31,840 Speaker 1: I'm debt. Look if we if we only get you 253 00:14:31,920 --> 00:14:34,760 Speaker 1: until eleven rose, I'm happy to take it and I 254 00:14:35,000 --> 00:14:37,480 Speaker 1: would love to go and and the parties stood. The 255 00:14:37,520 --> 00:14:42,560 Speaker 1: party started at ten. I told I told Eric we 256 00:14:42,560 --> 00:14:45,640 Speaker 1: were coming early, and we did show up early because 257 00:14:45,680 --> 00:14:51,080 Speaker 1: I like, that's my early before they were done setting 258 00:14:51,160 --> 00:14:53,400 Speaker 1: up and was out by a lot the way I would. 259 00:14:53,680 --> 00:14:59,520 Speaker 1: I didn't even know, say, like tim I turned thirty 260 00:14:59,680 --> 00:15:04,600 Speaker 1: at midnight, I didn't even Yeah I left an eleven 261 00:15:04,880 --> 00:15:09,360 Speaker 1: Yeah absolutely, yeah, girl, I mean love your style. We 262 00:15:09,480 --> 00:15:12,600 Speaker 1: love this for you, and I would love to attend 263 00:15:12,720 --> 00:15:15,400 Speaker 1: a party with you at some point until eleven PM. 264 00:15:15,440 --> 00:15:18,400 Speaker 1: I think that would be really fun to do that together. Yeah, 265 00:15:18,440 --> 00:15:20,920 Speaker 1: maybe maybe our own party. Oh we haven't talked about 266 00:15:20,960 --> 00:15:23,680 Speaker 1: our live show. We should Oh my god, should um 267 00:15:23,680 --> 00:15:27,160 Speaker 1: like give the girls a download? So we had a 268 00:15:27,200 --> 00:15:31,560 Speaker 1: live show in New York to two weeks a week ago. 269 00:15:31,600 --> 00:15:38,160 Speaker 1: Now we raging success. We did record it, so look 270 00:15:38,160 --> 00:15:42,120 Speaker 1: out for a potential Patreon episode with the audio from 271 00:15:42,120 --> 00:15:45,080 Speaker 1: our live show and every time we bring up Patreon, 272 00:15:45,200 --> 00:15:47,920 Speaker 1: I'm going to say, go to patreon dot com. Slash 273 00:15:48,000 --> 00:15:53,560 Speaker 1: leg A Virgina become a five dollars a month. Um. 274 00:15:53,600 --> 00:15:56,120 Speaker 1: It was super fun. Um. We did not come on 275 00:15:56,160 --> 00:15:59,400 Speaker 1: Everybody in Brooklyn, which is such a cute venue. I 276 00:15:59,400 --> 00:16:02,880 Speaker 1: actually had been before, although I know the owner and 277 00:16:02,920 --> 00:16:07,960 Speaker 1: have worked at some of their other spaces. It was 278 00:16:07,960 --> 00:16:10,760 Speaker 1: so convenient. I was able to walk home, which was great, 279 00:16:11,080 --> 00:16:15,280 Speaker 1: and the crowd was so fun. We watched the bisexual 280 00:16:15,280 --> 00:16:17,600 Speaker 1: episode of Sex in the City our friend Peyton Dix. 281 00:16:17,680 --> 00:16:19,840 Speaker 1: I had never seen it before, so we got to 282 00:16:20,040 --> 00:16:25,720 Speaker 1: truly induct her into the nightmare cult that is, you know, 283 00:16:25,920 --> 00:16:28,960 Speaker 1: Sex in the City, and it was super fun. I'm 284 00:16:29,000 --> 00:16:32,280 Speaker 1: really really stoked and like about like how it went 285 00:16:32,320 --> 00:16:34,440 Speaker 1: and Slash I just want to do so much more 286 00:16:34,480 --> 00:16:36,600 Speaker 1: of these because it's like a really fun format to 287 00:16:36,640 --> 00:16:40,280 Speaker 1: play with. And I feel like I feel like we 288 00:16:40,280 --> 00:16:42,600 Speaker 1: were just you know, having fun and you know, you 289 00:16:42,640 --> 00:16:44,360 Speaker 1: had never been to come On before, but like come 290 00:16:44,400 --> 00:16:47,480 Speaker 1: On is like you know my cheers essentially, like I 291 00:16:47,520 --> 00:16:50,240 Speaker 1: now go there more than any other gay bar in 292 00:16:50,280 --> 00:16:52,560 Speaker 1: the city, and so I felt like I was kind 293 00:16:52,560 --> 00:16:55,720 Speaker 1: of like given a show for home, and I really did. 294 00:16:55,840 --> 00:16:58,400 Speaker 1: I really, it just felt like an easy, fun living 295 00:16:58,440 --> 00:17:02,000 Speaker 1: room vibe for the night. I just like thinking about, 296 00:17:02,000 --> 00:17:04,160 Speaker 1: like trying to dream up, like what will we watch next? 297 00:17:04,200 --> 00:17:07,480 Speaker 1: Who will you watch something with next? Yeah, Virgins, you 298 00:17:07,480 --> 00:17:10,560 Speaker 1: should slide into our DMS and let us know, you know, 299 00:17:10,680 --> 00:17:13,879 Speaker 1: if you came to a live show, what, because I 300 00:17:13,920 --> 00:17:17,800 Speaker 1: think this is such a good format for what we do, 301 00:17:17,960 --> 00:17:21,840 Speaker 1: to be live reacting to something. So yeah, slide into 302 00:17:21,880 --> 00:17:23,600 Speaker 1: our DMS and let us know, like do you want us? 303 00:17:23,680 --> 00:17:27,240 Speaker 1: Do you want to see us watch Twilight or you know, 304 00:17:27,560 --> 00:17:31,399 Speaker 1: like half of Titanic or like an episode of Buffy 305 00:17:31,520 --> 00:17:35,239 Speaker 1: or whatever. Also, if you want us to go on 306 00:17:35,280 --> 00:17:38,239 Speaker 1: tour and come to your city and do this, um, 307 00:17:38,480 --> 00:17:41,960 Speaker 1: let us know if you like go to college and 308 00:17:42,280 --> 00:17:47,560 Speaker 1: you know, like have the resources to bring us out. Yeah, 309 00:17:47,640 --> 00:17:52,240 Speaker 1: like we we are very We're submissive and bookable, submissive 310 00:17:52,280 --> 00:18:19,280 Speaker 1: And there has been some really amazing music released recently 311 00:18:19,440 --> 00:18:23,119 Speaker 1: that we haven't really talked about. I have been doing 312 00:18:23,320 --> 00:18:27,480 Speaker 1: basically nothing but listening to the New Boy Genius album 313 00:18:27,520 --> 00:18:31,439 Speaker 1: The Record since it came out the week before last. 314 00:18:31,520 --> 00:18:34,359 Speaker 1: Have you listened yet? I haven't. Actually I listened. I 315 00:18:34,920 --> 00:18:38,200 Speaker 1: listened to all the singles and I really do love 316 00:18:38,200 --> 00:18:42,440 Speaker 1: Boy Genius. I'll listen to anything Phoebe Bridgers touches and 317 00:18:43,560 --> 00:18:45,840 Speaker 1: my kind of just the thing that I was immediately 318 00:18:45,840 --> 00:18:48,320 Speaker 1: attracted to with that project when they released their first 319 00:18:48,359 --> 00:18:51,480 Speaker 1: album you know a while ago, was just their love 320 00:18:51,520 --> 00:18:54,240 Speaker 1: for each other. I think that the friendship and they're 321 00:18:54,320 --> 00:18:58,000 Speaker 1: kind of like willingness to collaborate, and the way they 322 00:18:58,000 --> 00:19:00,439 Speaker 1: write songs together, I think it's really cool. Um and 323 00:19:00,520 --> 00:19:03,320 Speaker 1: I I think that from a kind of music writing standpoint, 324 00:19:03,640 --> 00:19:05,800 Speaker 1: it's very inspiring. But what did you What do you 325 00:19:05,840 --> 00:19:12,560 Speaker 1: think so far? I love I love the record, the record, 326 00:19:12,560 --> 00:19:15,879 Speaker 1: the record, Um, I kind of couldn't you know. I 327 00:19:15,920 --> 00:19:19,679 Speaker 1: did listen to the old, the older Boy Genius stuff, 328 00:19:19,880 --> 00:19:25,560 Speaker 1: and um, you know, I love Phoebe Bridgers obviously. I 329 00:19:25,600 --> 00:19:29,119 Speaker 1: also really love Lucy Dacus. I have no idea who 330 00:19:29,240 --> 00:19:33,359 Speaker 1: Julian Baker is outside of the context of Boy Genius, Like, 331 00:19:33,440 --> 00:19:36,600 Speaker 1: I've never listened to any of her there. She's kind 332 00:19:36,600 --> 00:19:39,480 Speaker 1: of giving, They're kind of giving, they're kind of giving them, 333 00:19:40,240 --> 00:19:43,600 Speaker 1: they them a little bit. Um. I've never listened to 334 00:19:43,640 --> 00:19:49,520 Speaker 1: any of Julian's solo music, so I don't know how 335 00:19:49,600 --> 00:19:52,760 Speaker 1: different this album is. What I like about the album 336 00:19:52,880 --> 00:19:59,200 Speaker 1: is that there are songs that clearly feature a certain 337 00:19:59,280 --> 00:20:03,919 Speaker 1: person's voice more or you know, from knowing Phoebe and 338 00:20:04,200 --> 00:20:08,800 Speaker 1: Lucy's music feature their musicality a little bit more. But 339 00:20:09,720 --> 00:20:12,520 Speaker 1: for the most part, like as you said, it is 340 00:20:12,640 --> 00:20:17,560 Speaker 1: really them blending their voices and perspectives together and really 341 00:20:17,600 --> 00:20:21,480 Speaker 1: like propping each other up. Of course, like because Phoebe 342 00:20:21,560 --> 00:20:25,680 Speaker 1: is the most famous and the most prominent, and she has, 343 00:20:26,000 --> 00:20:29,360 Speaker 1: you know, her music has been the most out there 344 00:20:29,400 --> 00:20:31,439 Speaker 1: in the world for the past couple of years. I 345 00:20:31,440 --> 00:20:34,800 Speaker 1: think it's easy to listen to this album and be like, oh, 346 00:20:34,840 --> 00:20:37,480 Speaker 1: this is just a Phoebe Bridgers album with these other 347 00:20:37,520 --> 00:20:43,040 Speaker 1: two people on it. But it does. I can when 348 00:20:43,040 --> 00:20:47,600 Speaker 1: I'm listening notice that certain songs feel more like one 349 00:20:47,640 --> 00:20:51,760 Speaker 1: of them than the other, and I like that. It's 350 00:20:51,800 --> 00:20:54,359 Speaker 1: a It's nice that they can have their you know, 351 00:20:54,480 --> 00:20:57,400 Speaker 1: three different musical careers and then come back to this 352 00:20:57,480 --> 00:21:00,760 Speaker 1: project and work together. I think that's a really interesting 353 00:21:00,800 --> 00:21:04,479 Speaker 1: way to make music. UM. Some of the standouts for me, 354 00:21:04,560 --> 00:21:07,159 Speaker 1: I love True Blue, which is like very much a 355 00:21:07,280 --> 00:21:13,080 Speaker 1: Lucy song. UM. Also Leonard Cohen Satanist is really good 356 00:21:13,119 --> 00:21:15,399 Speaker 1: and then not strong Enough, which was I think the 357 00:21:15,440 --> 00:21:22,000 Speaker 1: second single they released is so good. Like I'm absolutely 358 00:21:22,000 --> 00:21:25,400 Speaker 1: certain right now that it will be like, if not, 359 00:21:25,800 --> 00:21:29,159 Speaker 1: if not my number one song of the year, you know, 360 00:21:29,240 --> 00:21:32,239 Speaker 1: when Spotify Wrapped comes out, you know, at the end 361 00:21:32,280 --> 00:21:34,280 Speaker 1: of at the end of twenty twenty three, it will 362 00:21:34,280 --> 00:21:37,280 Speaker 1: at least be in the top five because it's just 363 00:21:37,440 --> 00:21:44,719 Speaker 1: so good and it's such it's such fucking lesbian ass music, 364 00:21:44,840 --> 00:21:51,520 Speaker 1: Like it's so it's so just like you know, yeah, 365 00:21:51,600 --> 00:21:55,320 Speaker 1: sad gay girl vibes, Yeah down yeah. I you know, 366 00:21:55,440 --> 00:21:57,760 Speaker 1: I'm like a kind of I like the kind of 367 00:21:57,880 --> 00:22:00,280 Speaker 1: idea of Phoebe being the kind of front man of 368 00:22:00,320 --> 00:22:03,720 Speaker 1: this band, Like it reminds me of the High Women. 369 00:22:04,280 --> 00:22:07,320 Speaker 1: It also reminds me of Trio that Emmy Lou Harris, 370 00:22:07,359 --> 00:22:10,719 Speaker 1: Linda Ronstaid, Dolly Parton project. Like these kind of like 371 00:22:11,320 --> 00:22:16,040 Speaker 1: you know, rock country powerhouses coming together to do something 372 00:22:16,160 --> 00:22:18,400 Speaker 1: or just like creative collaborators, I think make a lot 373 00:22:18,400 --> 00:22:20,879 Speaker 1: of sense. For Julian Baker Rose, I think you should 374 00:22:20,960 --> 00:22:23,680 Speaker 1: listen to Little Oblivions, her most recent album. I think 375 00:22:23,720 --> 00:22:26,560 Speaker 1: you would kind of I only listen to it once, 376 00:22:26,640 --> 00:22:31,680 Speaker 1: but it does have a kind of like Claro Waxahatchie, 377 00:22:31,800 --> 00:22:35,479 Speaker 1: maybe even like Japanese breakfast kind of like vibe, but 378 00:22:36,000 --> 00:22:39,080 Speaker 1: that's but like just adjacent, like it's it's pretty specific. 379 00:22:39,119 --> 00:22:41,760 Speaker 1: I don't know if I'm doing it justice, but yeah, 380 00:22:41,800 --> 00:22:43,840 Speaker 1: that's I'm definitely going to dive in. Now that you've 381 00:22:43,880 --> 00:22:48,560 Speaker 1: recommended it, I definitely want to listen. Another new release 382 00:22:48,640 --> 00:22:50,560 Speaker 1: that I still need to spend some more time with, 383 00:22:50,720 --> 00:22:54,120 Speaker 1: but did listen to this weekend while I was sort 384 00:22:54,160 --> 00:22:59,680 Speaker 1: of puttering around my apartment is Eag's debut album with 385 00:22:59,720 --> 00:23:03,439 Speaker 1: a Ammer. Obviously, Yaig has been around for a while 386 00:23:03,480 --> 00:23:08,840 Speaker 1: and has some, um, you know, really incredible EPs, but 387 00:23:08,920 --> 00:23:14,080 Speaker 1: this is her first proper album and it's so good 388 00:23:14,119 --> 00:23:21,040 Speaker 1: I need to have sex while it's playing. Stacked. Oh 389 00:23:18,680 --> 00:23:25,520 Speaker 1: it's not. It's not quite as sexy as her last EP, 390 00:23:26,400 --> 00:23:30,960 Speaker 1: but it's very vibe um, And I just think I 391 00:23:31,000 --> 00:23:33,640 Speaker 1: have thought for years that that Yaig is like one 392 00:23:33,680 --> 00:23:37,879 Speaker 1: of the most interesting people making music, and now I'm 393 00:23:37,920 --> 00:23:41,320 Speaker 1: excited that she's now doing this. I mean, this is 394 00:23:41,320 --> 00:23:43,359 Speaker 1: like the whole thing with the music industry. It's like 395 00:23:43,920 --> 00:23:46,480 Speaker 1: it's not really her first album, but it's like probably 396 00:23:46,480 --> 00:23:49,639 Speaker 1: her first like major label release or something. You know, 397 00:23:49,720 --> 00:23:53,200 Speaker 1: this is just how things get categorized. It's like this 398 00:23:53,320 --> 00:23:56,399 Speaker 1: is probably like you know, it's it's like, you know, 399 00:23:56,440 --> 00:23:59,359 Speaker 1: how always there are artists who are up for Best 400 00:23:59,400 --> 00:24:01,239 Speaker 1: New Artists of the Grammys and it's like oh and 401 00:24:01,240 --> 00:24:04,200 Speaker 1: you're like you've been out. Yeah, it's like it's like that. 402 00:24:04,359 --> 00:24:07,880 Speaker 1: It's that kind of thing. Um. So it'll be interesting 403 00:24:07,920 --> 00:24:11,360 Speaker 1: to see like what this does for her career, if 404 00:24:11,359 --> 00:24:14,360 Speaker 1: she'll get kind of different attention than she has, because 405 00:24:14,880 --> 00:24:19,159 Speaker 1: you know, she's very sort of like Spin magazine cover vibes, 406 00:24:19,200 --> 00:24:21,840 Speaker 1: like if you know, you know, but hasn't gotten any 407 00:24:21,920 --> 00:24:26,960 Speaker 1: sort of I think probably the most like mainstream she's 408 00:24:26,960 --> 00:24:29,200 Speaker 1: gotten is you know, like rain Girl was a pretty 409 00:24:29,440 --> 00:24:33,520 Speaker 1: big song. Yeah. Um. I mean she's also she's like 410 00:24:33,560 --> 00:24:37,199 Speaker 1: a producers producer. I mean, like all everybody in the 411 00:24:37,280 --> 00:24:40,199 Speaker 1: music industry knows who she is or a lot of 412 00:24:40,240 --> 00:24:42,320 Speaker 1: like the indie girls have worked with her, and so 413 00:24:42,920 --> 00:24:45,160 Speaker 1: you know it's like, yes, she was on a Charlie song, 414 00:24:45,320 --> 00:24:47,679 Speaker 1: Yeah exactly, and she is kind of like a Charlie 415 00:24:47,680 --> 00:24:50,800 Speaker 1: because Charlie, you know, produced so many records for other 416 00:24:50,880 --> 00:24:54,760 Speaker 1: pop artists before you know, like really making a name 417 00:24:54,800 --> 00:24:57,200 Speaker 1: for herself, and Yigie I think has been doing that 418 00:24:57,720 --> 00:25:01,320 Speaker 1: over the last few years, giving all many shows in 419 00:25:01,400 --> 00:25:04,159 Speaker 1: Chris spaces, Like, I feel like I've had the opportunity 420 00:25:04,160 --> 00:25:07,040 Speaker 1: to see like seven hundred AGDG sets since I've like, 421 00:25:07,600 --> 00:25:10,000 Speaker 1: you know, been living in New York. And I think 422 00:25:10,040 --> 00:25:12,640 Speaker 1: that is like the sign of a great music artist 423 00:25:12,680 --> 00:25:15,040 Speaker 1: and producer is someone who's just always out there, always 424 00:25:15,040 --> 00:25:18,200 Speaker 1: making things, not afraid to like do shows even when 425 00:25:18,240 --> 00:25:21,880 Speaker 1: they're you know, even like in under any circumstance. So yeah, 426 00:25:21,960 --> 00:25:23,800 Speaker 1: I can't wait to I listened to the first half 427 00:25:23,800 --> 00:25:26,480 Speaker 1: when you recommend it, and I can't wait to keep listening. Rose. 428 00:25:26,520 --> 00:25:29,639 Speaker 1: Do we even want to talk about the news that 429 00:25:29,680 --> 00:25:33,320 Speaker 1: broke this weekend for I'll Never Walk for Neil Yes 430 00:25:33,640 --> 00:25:38,040 Speaker 1: Street again, Yes, I mean we have to. It's unconfirmed 431 00:25:38,080 --> 00:25:42,000 Speaker 1: at this time, so it is confirmed like news, it's 432 00:25:42,040 --> 00:25:45,760 Speaker 1: not confirmed by Taylor. It's until Tree Pain you know, 433 00:25:45,960 --> 00:25:50,520 Speaker 1: beams in from you know wherever. I'm not believing a word, 434 00:25:50,560 --> 00:25:54,880 Speaker 1: well actually until Taylor is back on tour this weekend 435 00:25:55,000 --> 00:25:57,800 Speaker 1: and you know me make some comment about it. Yeah, 436 00:25:57,840 --> 00:26:00,760 Speaker 1: So at this time, at the time of record, you know, 437 00:26:00,840 --> 00:26:05,639 Speaker 1: Monday afternoon, it is not yet totally confirmed. But based 438 00:26:05,680 --> 00:26:09,679 Speaker 1: on reports this weekend, Taylor Swift and Joe Alwyn have 439 00:26:09,800 --> 00:26:13,639 Speaker 1: broken up. I know they were together first, they were 440 00:26:13,680 --> 00:26:16,760 Speaker 1: together for six years. That's crazy, it's I mean, is it. 441 00:26:16,800 --> 00:26:20,360 Speaker 1: Is it Taylor's longest relationship. I think it is, And 442 00:26:20,440 --> 00:26:22,960 Speaker 1: I yeah, that's gonna be kind of whackadoodle to see 443 00:26:22,960 --> 00:26:26,480 Speaker 1: what happens. I'm very excited obviously for the album. Um, 444 00:26:26,840 --> 00:26:29,720 Speaker 1: but yeah, bitch. The first the first thing I thought was, 445 00:26:30,240 --> 00:26:35,440 Speaker 1: we're getting a breakup album. Gonna be unreal. I mean, 446 00:26:35,760 --> 00:26:38,800 Speaker 1: I I really, it'll really, it'll really tell us a 447 00:26:38,800 --> 00:26:41,880 Speaker 1: lot about who Taylor is. The thing is is, like, 448 00:26:43,640 --> 00:26:45,359 Speaker 1: this is part of the reason I don't love Taylor 449 00:26:45,480 --> 00:26:48,000 Speaker 1: is because like a lot of her music and her 450 00:26:48,040 --> 00:26:51,239 Speaker 1: songwriting is like less about her and more about like 451 00:26:51,359 --> 00:26:54,120 Speaker 1: how she is like reflected in like the men that 452 00:26:54,160 --> 00:26:58,439 Speaker 1: she dates, and so much of what her SI, so 453 00:26:58,480 --> 00:27:01,680 Speaker 1: much of her songwriting and life experience is really just 454 00:27:01,760 --> 00:27:05,960 Speaker 1: like is in orbit to another man that doesn't deserve 455 00:27:05,960 --> 00:27:08,280 Speaker 1: her time, and well she's a mirror bley she told 456 00:27:08,359 --> 00:27:11,440 Speaker 1: us that's and it's a perfect metaphor for her, and 457 00:27:11,840 --> 00:27:15,200 Speaker 1: she understands that she understands who how her like love 458 00:27:15,240 --> 00:27:17,760 Speaker 1: takes for him and how it translates to her art, 459 00:27:17,800 --> 00:27:19,640 Speaker 1: and I think that's like something that makes her really 460 00:27:19,680 --> 00:27:22,320 Speaker 1: interesting as an artist, even though it's sometimes really like 461 00:27:22,400 --> 00:27:25,640 Speaker 1: kind of cringe and basic. But with this specifically, like, 462 00:27:25,760 --> 00:27:28,159 Speaker 1: I think that when we think about all the breakup 463 00:27:28,240 --> 00:27:31,800 Speaker 1: music she's made before, you know, something like a reputation 464 00:27:32,080 --> 00:27:34,400 Speaker 1: or a red like is not going to feel right, 465 00:27:34,600 --> 00:27:36,840 Speaker 1: even though that's kind of what I want, Like, but 466 00:27:36,920 --> 00:27:39,480 Speaker 1: I it feels like it could be something that's actually 467 00:27:39,480 --> 00:27:44,639 Speaker 1: like really painful and meditative, or maybe something angsty. But 468 00:27:44,720 --> 00:27:47,560 Speaker 1: I don't know. I haven't because we don't know the circumstances. 469 00:27:48,119 --> 00:27:50,080 Speaker 1: We don't know how it's going to shake out. Yeah, 470 00:27:50,080 --> 00:27:54,040 Speaker 1: but you know, I the thing is like from even 471 00:27:54,080 --> 00:27:58,520 Speaker 1: though Taylor obviously has made some incredible music about Joe 472 00:27:58,600 --> 00:28:02,120 Speaker 1: Alwan in their relationship, like he seemed like a very 473 00:28:02,160 --> 00:28:06,960 Speaker 1: boring person sing and and who knows, Like, I'm sure 474 00:28:06,960 --> 00:28:10,600 Speaker 1: she will still be able to mind some incredible art 475 00:28:10,800 --> 00:28:14,520 Speaker 1: from this breakup. I just like it. I wonder what 476 00:28:14,720 --> 00:28:18,119 Speaker 1: the reason was. And it's not because she's gay. I 477 00:28:18,160 --> 00:28:23,159 Speaker 1: am not a gayler conspiracist. I think he's just fucking boring. 478 00:28:23,800 --> 00:28:27,880 Speaker 1: I mean, I watched five episodes of Conversations with Friends 479 00:28:28,119 --> 00:28:30,399 Speaker 1: with him in it and could not get past it, 480 00:28:30,440 --> 00:28:33,119 Speaker 1: even though I loved the book and he's fucking boring 481 00:28:33,160 --> 00:28:35,960 Speaker 1: as fuck. I didn't even know He's not a compelling person. 482 00:28:36,040 --> 00:28:38,880 Speaker 1: I did not even know he was in that. Um I, 483 00:28:39,000 --> 00:28:42,360 Speaker 1: um yeah, I will be. The thing is, I'll be 484 00:28:42,480 --> 00:28:44,240 Speaker 1: very curious to know why they broke up. And the 485 00:28:44,320 --> 00:28:48,840 Speaker 1: other thing is we're gonna find out Like Taylor will 486 00:28:48,840 --> 00:28:51,520 Speaker 1: make us aware, the Whispernet Wrook will make us aware, 487 00:28:51,560 --> 00:28:54,360 Speaker 1: The Swifties will make us aware of how it all 488 00:28:54,400 --> 00:28:57,160 Speaker 1: went down. And I look forward to that information. So 489 00:28:57,640 --> 00:29:01,960 Speaker 1: stay tuned next on like a virgin uh live updates 490 00:29:02,040 --> 00:29:24,880 Speaker 1: on No, I'm just kidding me, you won't be doing that. Well. 491 00:29:25,040 --> 00:29:29,120 Speaker 1: The big thing to talk about is Succession. It's we're 492 00:29:29,240 --> 00:29:32,719 Speaker 1: recording this on Monday, and so Succession was on last night. 493 00:29:32,920 --> 00:29:36,880 Speaker 1: Means you have no excuse for spoilers. Yeah, so spoiler alert. 494 00:29:36,960 --> 00:29:40,239 Speaker 1: If you have not watched Succession, do not listen to this, 495 00:29:40,440 --> 00:29:43,120 Speaker 1: or do not do as producer Phoebe did and read 496 00:29:43,160 --> 00:29:45,280 Speaker 1: the Google doc with our notes on it without having 497 00:29:45,280 --> 00:29:50,720 Speaker 1: watched it. Um. Rip Logan, Roy, you were a real one. 498 00:29:50,960 --> 00:29:53,640 Speaker 1: I know right now you were in hell giving the 499 00:29:53,720 --> 00:30:00,080 Speaker 1: devil a blowjob. And you know, um, excuse me, the 500 00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:03,720 Speaker 1: devil is giving Logan Roy a blowjob period, Like he 501 00:30:04,040 --> 00:30:06,960 Speaker 1: is the one that he would manipulate his way into 502 00:30:07,000 --> 00:30:10,320 Speaker 1: that power dynamic. For sure, Logan Roy, Logan word got 503 00:30:10,320 --> 00:30:13,800 Speaker 1: to hell and saw the devil went fuck off, fuck off. Yeah, exactly, 504 00:30:13,920 --> 00:30:17,640 Speaker 1: Um did you see it coming? What did you think? No? 505 00:30:17,840 --> 00:30:22,240 Speaker 1: I was shocked, and in fact, when when they got 506 00:30:22,280 --> 00:30:25,000 Speaker 1: the call from Tom and Tom was saying, your dad's 507 00:30:25,080 --> 00:30:28,240 Speaker 1: very sick. Yes, I immediately thought it was a trick 508 00:30:28,440 --> 00:30:31,479 Speaker 1: because I was thinking about in the first in the 509 00:30:31,560 --> 00:30:35,040 Speaker 1: first season when Logan was like waffling about coming to 510 00:30:35,120 --> 00:30:39,240 Speaker 1: Shiv's wedding and Marcia called Shiv and was like, oh, yeah, 511 00:30:39,280 --> 00:30:42,280 Speaker 1: he's having like chest pains or whatever. I thought it 512 00:30:42,320 --> 00:30:49,360 Speaker 1: was just another Tacticum, And no, he's dead. He's really 513 00:30:49,480 --> 00:30:52,840 Speaker 1: fucking dead, really fucking dead. It was unexpected, and I 514 00:30:52,920 --> 00:30:56,320 Speaker 1: even thought maybe that he was going to come back 515 00:30:56,360 --> 00:30:59,800 Speaker 1: after CPR, like they gave us that hope and that 516 00:31:00,120 --> 00:31:04,120 Speaker 1: kind of um, that kind of like yeah, like what's 517 00:31:04,160 --> 00:31:07,960 Speaker 1: gonna happen kind of vibe, and even like when um, fuck, 518 00:31:08,040 --> 00:31:11,640 Speaker 1: what's the Carrie? When Carrie, like you know, came back 519 00:31:11,720 --> 00:31:17,880 Speaker 1: through the kind of yes, through them. Yes, that's what 520 00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:20,240 Speaker 1: I was giving And I was like that when she 521 00:31:20,280 --> 00:31:21,840 Speaker 1: did that, I was like, oh my god, did Logan 522 00:31:21,920 --> 00:31:24,200 Speaker 1: Roy like come back to life? Like that's immediately where 523 00:31:24,200 --> 00:31:26,280 Speaker 1: my head went, Like I thought it was out like 524 00:31:26,360 --> 00:31:29,240 Speaker 1: all yeah, like a kind of gag um. But I'm 525 00:31:29,320 --> 00:31:32,680 Speaker 1: shook and I feel like it's It's interesting because the 526 00:31:32,880 --> 00:31:37,560 Speaker 1: entire series is kind of predicated on this idea of succession, 527 00:31:37,640 --> 00:31:40,240 Speaker 1: and the first scene in Succession him Yes, the first 528 00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:43,240 Speaker 1: scene is Succession is him losing his motor functions and 529 00:31:43,240 --> 00:31:45,240 Speaker 1: and they're like, oh, he's going to die soon. And 530 00:31:45,280 --> 00:31:47,000 Speaker 1: so now that he's tryally dead, it's going to be 531 00:31:47,040 --> 00:31:51,480 Speaker 1: really interesting to see where the show then goes, especially 532 00:31:51,560 --> 00:31:55,880 Speaker 1: since all of the suspend attention is on this rivalry 533 00:31:55,960 --> 00:32:00,280 Speaker 1: between father and children, and now that the father's on, 534 00:32:00,680 --> 00:32:02,800 Speaker 1: who is this rival real against? Like is it gonna 535 00:32:03,000 --> 00:32:05,920 Speaker 1: is like Roman going to take the other side? Are 536 00:32:05,960 --> 00:32:09,760 Speaker 1: they going to be up against Tom and Jerry? Um? 537 00:32:09,800 --> 00:32:11,480 Speaker 1: Like what's gonna I don't know, Like it's going to 538 00:32:11,560 --> 00:32:14,880 Speaker 1: be interesting to me, Yeah, I do. I do think 539 00:32:14,920 --> 00:32:17,960 Speaker 1: the episode sort of sets that up a little bit, 540 00:32:18,040 --> 00:32:23,080 Speaker 1: because you know, for all, for all the kids bluster 541 00:32:23,320 --> 00:32:26,760 Speaker 1: about hating their dad and only caring about the business 542 00:32:26,760 --> 00:32:30,520 Speaker 1: and the money. As soon as things got really real, 543 00:32:31,240 --> 00:32:35,840 Speaker 1: you saw how it became the kids on one side 544 00:32:35,920 --> 00:32:40,160 Speaker 1: actually processing the fact that their father is dead, processing 545 00:32:40,160 --> 00:32:44,760 Speaker 1: and like not processing, which was and then and then 546 00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:50,720 Speaker 1: you know, Jerry, Frank, Carl and the pr the publicist, 547 00:32:51,360 --> 00:32:57,160 Speaker 1: yeah her, whatever her name was, um them immediately going 548 00:32:57,240 --> 00:32:59,880 Speaker 1: into business mode and trying to think of like a 549 00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:02,880 Speaker 1: statement and like the markets, and you know, for the 550 00:33:02,960 --> 00:33:08,040 Speaker 1: first time, the kids are like, oh, like this actually 551 00:33:08,040 --> 00:33:10,600 Speaker 1: the business part of this like doesn't really matter to us. 552 00:33:10,600 --> 00:33:13,640 Speaker 1: And we're grappling with the fact that our fathers died 553 00:33:13,680 --> 00:33:15,880 Speaker 1: and like as much as we hated him, we loved him. 554 00:33:15,880 --> 00:33:18,760 Speaker 1: And I did love that moment where where Kendall was 555 00:33:18,800 --> 00:33:21,800 Speaker 1: on the phone talking to their dad and said, you know, 556 00:33:21,800 --> 00:33:25,520 Speaker 1: I don't forgive you, but I still loved you. And 557 00:33:26,840 --> 00:33:31,080 Speaker 1: I do think that might be the divide now is 558 00:33:31,120 --> 00:33:35,480 Speaker 1: between the people who know that they really were only 559 00:33:35,520 --> 00:33:39,120 Speaker 1: on the inside because they were useful to Logan, like 560 00:33:39,240 --> 00:33:43,280 Speaker 1: people like Tom and Greg, who you know ingratiated themselves 561 00:33:43,320 --> 00:33:47,120 Speaker 1: to Logan at the expense of their other relationships, like 562 00:33:47,240 --> 00:33:51,240 Speaker 1: Tom was Shiv And now like you saw that Tom 563 00:33:51,360 --> 00:33:53,600 Speaker 1: like said to Greg, like people should know that I 564 00:33:53,720 --> 00:33:56,320 Speaker 1: was like there, that I was with him because he's 565 00:33:56,360 --> 00:34:01,400 Speaker 1: like seeing this like shield that he had crumbling before 566 00:34:01,440 --> 00:34:08,600 Speaker 1: his eyes because Logan's gone and it's Yeah, I do 567 00:34:08,680 --> 00:34:11,000 Speaker 1: think that could be the rest of the season is 568 00:34:11,040 --> 00:34:16,480 Speaker 1: sort of the kids versus you know, the business people, 569 00:34:16,640 --> 00:34:18,759 Speaker 1: like Tom going to become the big bad Like I 570 00:34:18,800 --> 00:34:22,600 Speaker 1: could see that, Like he's so in control throughout the 571 00:34:22,640 --> 00:34:26,200 Speaker 1: whole process and like toward like as of recent episodes, 572 00:34:26,280 --> 00:34:30,239 Speaker 1: like seems to really know what he's doing, but he's 573 00:34:30,280 --> 00:34:33,200 Speaker 1: also like such a spineless little weasel, like I don't know, 574 00:34:33,400 --> 00:34:36,640 Speaker 1: I don't know what's going to happen. Yeah. The acting 575 00:34:36,719 --> 00:34:40,919 Speaker 1: in this episode, my god, Emmy's for everyone. I mean, 576 00:34:41,200 --> 00:34:46,880 Speaker 1: especially Sarah Snook who plays Shiv. The scene where Kendall 577 00:34:46,920 --> 00:34:51,879 Speaker 1: comes down to get her like that, like watching her 578 00:34:51,960 --> 00:34:56,640 Speaker 1: go from that to realizing what's happening and like not 579 00:34:56,719 --> 00:34:59,040 Speaker 1: believing it and accepting it and then being put on 580 00:34:59,080 --> 00:35:04,200 Speaker 1: the phone with Logan just like like some of the 581 00:35:04,239 --> 00:35:07,400 Speaker 1: most incredible acting I've seen in a long time. Um. 582 00:35:07,680 --> 00:35:10,719 Speaker 1: I also, I mean everyone was fantastic, but I think 583 00:35:10,880 --> 00:35:15,040 Speaker 1: especially the kids like fucking knocked it out of the 584 00:35:15,040 --> 00:35:19,040 Speaker 1: ballpark and and also Tom Um. You know, Matthew mcphaden 585 00:35:19,880 --> 00:35:22,120 Speaker 1: is an amazing actor, and it's going to be crazy 586 00:35:22,160 --> 00:35:24,239 Speaker 1: when you know, like award season rolls around, all these 587 00:35:24,239 --> 00:35:27,160 Speaker 1: people are going to be basically like probably pitted against 588 00:35:27,200 --> 00:35:30,080 Speaker 1: each other. I mean, shif for sure. I think I 589 00:35:30,120 --> 00:35:33,200 Speaker 1: hope that Tom will get an m I think honestly, 590 00:35:33,280 --> 00:35:37,640 Speaker 1: Logan Roy phenomenal. Like his kind of rousing speech that 591 00:35:37,719 --> 00:35:41,840 Speaker 1: he gave to the floor right before this like all happened, 592 00:35:42,239 --> 00:35:45,080 Speaker 1: I thought was like so compelling and in at like 593 00:35:45,160 --> 00:35:46,759 Speaker 1: now looking back and I was like, oh, that was 594 00:35:46,800 --> 00:35:51,279 Speaker 1: his final message to the company. Yeah, And it is 595 00:35:51,320 --> 00:35:54,840 Speaker 1: crazy how how absent he is in this episode. You know, 596 00:35:54,880 --> 00:35:58,520 Speaker 1: he has that one moment at the beginning because they're 597 00:35:58,520 --> 00:36:01,600 Speaker 1: gonna go talk to Matt's and tried to like salvage 598 00:36:01,640 --> 00:36:04,040 Speaker 1: the deal, and then he's just gone and they don't 599 00:36:04,080 --> 00:36:06,440 Speaker 1: really show him at all, like there's no death scene. 600 00:36:06,440 --> 00:36:09,280 Speaker 1: And you know, I was watching the inside the episode. 601 00:36:09,280 --> 00:36:13,520 Speaker 1: I also listened to some of the Succession podcast, which 602 00:36:13,560 --> 00:36:16,439 Speaker 1: is very good, and you know they were talking about 603 00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:18,960 Speaker 1: how they had like played around with the idea of 604 00:36:19,960 --> 00:36:22,359 Speaker 1: saving his death till the end of the series, but 605 00:36:22,400 --> 00:36:24,799 Speaker 1: like that never felt right, and they wanted it to 606 00:36:24,880 --> 00:36:27,400 Speaker 1: happen early in the season because they wanted the final 607 00:36:27,480 --> 00:36:31,319 Speaker 1: season to be more about how everyone copes with it 608 00:36:32,280 --> 00:36:35,240 Speaker 1: season aftermath. Yeah you didn't know that. Oh I didn't 609 00:36:35,239 --> 00:36:37,239 Speaker 1: know that. That makes me feel a lot better. Yea death. 610 00:36:37,280 --> 00:36:43,000 Speaker 1: This is the last season of the show. Wow, And um, 611 00:36:43,120 --> 00:36:45,080 Speaker 1: you know, they talked a lot about how like this 612 00:36:45,080 --> 00:36:50,560 Speaker 1: episode is really about how death happens in our modern life, 613 00:36:50,560 --> 00:36:53,239 Speaker 1: about how it's like you know, the phone where that's 614 00:36:53,239 --> 00:36:56,480 Speaker 1: like a bad connection and they're only getting this information 615 00:36:56,960 --> 00:37:01,320 Speaker 1: second hand, and you know, like Roman being so unwilling 616 00:37:01,440 --> 00:37:06,160 Speaker 1: to accept that Logan is dead until someone actually confirms it, 617 00:37:06,200 --> 00:37:09,160 Speaker 1: because like imagine how like I felt the same way, 618 00:37:09,200 --> 00:37:11,279 Speaker 1: Like I wasn't going to believe Logan Roy was dead 619 00:37:11,360 --> 00:37:14,000 Speaker 1: until a doctor said time of death. And it's that 620 00:37:14,080 --> 00:37:17,920 Speaker 1: moment where Shiv is like giving the press conference and 621 00:37:17,960 --> 00:37:20,440 Speaker 1: she's like, as you know, our father was pronounced dead 622 00:37:20,440 --> 00:37:23,640 Speaker 1: on arrival, and like that was oh my, oh my god, 623 00:37:23,680 --> 00:37:27,120 Speaker 1: it like it got me, Like Logan is a horrible person, 624 00:37:27,239 --> 00:37:30,040 Speaker 1: like truly like one of the most evil people who's 625 00:37:30,120 --> 00:37:34,600 Speaker 1: ever been on TV. And I still was, so I 626 00:37:35,040 --> 00:37:38,160 Speaker 1: did feel emotional about his death because of the way 627 00:37:38,200 --> 00:37:42,160 Speaker 1: that they made it feel so real. The layers of 628 00:37:42,160 --> 00:37:45,839 Speaker 1: the episode and of these performances were like totally Like 629 00:37:46,760 --> 00:37:48,759 Speaker 1: I mean, people are calling it the best episode of 630 00:37:48,760 --> 00:37:50,399 Speaker 1: the series. I definitely think it's one of the best 631 00:37:50,440 --> 00:37:53,839 Speaker 1: episodes of the series. And I feel like a lot 632 00:37:53,880 --> 00:37:55,759 Speaker 1: of that had to do with the way all these 633 00:37:55,760 --> 00:38:00,600 Speaker 1: relationships crystallized in the kind of like in how they 634 00:38:00,640 --> 00:38:04,239 Speaker 1: reacted to the grief or how they denied that the 635 00:38:04,280 --> 00:38:07,759 Speaker 1: death was happening. And I there's so many Like one 636 00:38:07,760 --> 00:38:10,080 Speaker 1: of the layers was like this kind of like metric 637 00:38:10,120 --> 00:38:13,359 Speaker 1: of like wealth and power and access and how it 638 00:38:13,440 --> 00:38:17,640 Speaker 1: kind of convolutes and constrains your ability to grieve, which 639 00:38:17,680 --> 00:38:20,759 Speaker 1: I thought was incredible. And like all the disinformation that 640 00:38:20,760 --> 00:38:22,720 Speaker 1: you were talking about like going like you know, signals 641 00:38:22,760 --> 00:38:25,000 Speaker 1: going up to the plane, the press circling around it, 642 00:38:25,200 --> 00:38:28,040 Speaker 1: a whole room of people already strategizing around to the death, 643 00:38:28,040 --> 00:38:30,640 Speaker 1: your inability to kind of strategize with them because you're 644 00:38:30,680 --> 00:38:33,680 Speaker 1: actually trying to grieve. And then and then also like 645 00:38:33,840 --> 00:38:36,480 Speaker 1: they're so so fucking wealthy, and they're so used to 646 00:38:36,520 --> 00:38:40,200 Speaker 1: getting everything they want and they're so used to all 647 00:38:40,239 --> 00:38:43,720 Speaker 1: of the roys are so used to controlling every single 648 00:38:43,800 --> 00:38:46,239 Speaker 1: component of their lives that they were trying to control 649 00:38:46,800 --> 00:38:49,520 Speaker 1: their dad's death and can and keep him from dying, 650 00:38:49,640 --> 00:38:53,120 Speaker 1: even though he had been dead for like fifteen minutes, 651 00:38:53,880 --> 00:38:56,360 Speaker 1: fifteen twenty minutes at that point, and they're still trying 652 00:38:56,360 --> 00:38:58,360 Speaker 1: to be like no, no, no no, but we need to 653 00:38:58,360 --> 00:38:59,640 Speaker 1: get a doctor up there, We need to get blah 654 00:38:59,640 --> 00:39:01,319 Speaker 1: blah blah, you need to get like It's like that 655 00:39:01,440 --> 00:39:05,359 Speaker 1: was like psychotic and so so real to me, um, 656 00:39:05,520 --> 00:39:07,760 Speaker 1: And I think that in that seeing all the ways 657 00:39:07,800 --> 00:39:14,360 Speaker 1: the relationships crystallize between Roman and Jerry, Tom and shiv 658 00:39:14,920 --> 00:39:19,799 Speaker 1: Uh and like Connor and Willa, and Connor to me 659 00:39:20,320 --> 00:39:23,480 Speaker 1: was like so the MVP of this episode in a way, 660 00:39:23,600 --> 00:39:26,760 Speaker 1: I loved his reaction because you know, throughout the series, 661 00:39:26,840 --> 00:39:29,960 Speaker 1: Connor is the one who has the has been the 662 00:39:29,960 --> 00:39:34,839 Speaker 1: most often like letting the shitty things their dad does go, 663 00:39:35,120 --> 00:39:38,399 Speaker 1: even as recently as last week, because he like wants 664 00:39:38,400 --> 00:39:40,239 Speaker 1: to stay in the good graces and like he's not 665 00:39:40,280 --> 00:39:42,200 Speaker 1: as wrapped up in the business as the rest of them. 666 00:39:42,600 --> 00:39:45,120 Speaker 1: But then after that speech he gave last week which 667 00:39:45,120 --> 00:39:47,200 Speaker 1: we never talked about, about how he doesn't need love, 668 00:39:47,239 --> 00:39:51,400 Speaker 1: which is and which was incredible, like incredible writing and 669 00:39:51,480 --> 00:39:54,839 Speaker 1: incredible acting. His immediate reaction to the death is like, 670 00:39:55,600 --> 00:39:58,080 Speaker 1: I'm fine, Like this was not a man who loved 671 00:39:58,160 --> 00:40:01,359 Speaker 1: me anyway, and like, like he said last week, I 672 00:40:01,480 --> 00:40:06,200 Speaker 1: can deal without love. And I mean because his wedding 673 00:40:06,280 --> 00:40:09,520 Speaker 1: day family, Yeah, he found out in the same moment 674 00:40:09,560 --> 00:40:12,680 Speaker 1: that not only was his dad dead, but his dad 675 00:40:13,000 --> 00:40:16,719 Speaker 1: was dead as he was in the act of skipping 676 00:40:16,840 --> 00:40:21,120 Speaker 1: his wedding. Yeah, which is like such a fucking mind fuck. 677 00:40:21,200 --> 00:40:24,560 Speaker 1: And then I loved that moment between him and Willa 678 00:40:24,680 --> 00:40:26,880 Speaker 1: where they're like going to call off the wedding, and 679 00:40:26,920 --> 00:40:30,480 Speaker 1: then it finally makes them, um, like be really honest 680 00:40:30,520 --> 00:40:33,120 Speaker 1: with each other about their relationship, and you know, she 681 00:40:33,239 --> 00:40:37,319 Speaker 1: says to him that like obviously the financial security of 682 00:40:37,320 --> 00:40:40,719 Speaker 1: being with him and is a huge element in their relationship, 683 00:40:40,760 --> 00:40:43,319 Speaker 1: but she does still care about him. And then they 684 00:40:43,400 --> 00:40:45,520 Speaker 1: still got married at the end of the day, and 685 00:40:45,719 --> 00:40:50,280 Speaker 1: you know, like it that it allowed them to be closer. 686 00:40:50,320 --> 00:40:53,040 Speaker 1: And I love Willa. Yeah, I love Connor and I'm 687 00:40:53,080 --> 00:40:55,640 Speaker 1: not going to leave you yet. Like it's so funny, 688 00:40:55,760 --> 00:40:58,880 Speaker 1: like it was just so honest. Um. Yeah, well love 689 00:40:58,920 --> 00:41:01,960 Speaker 1: really is your girl, Yeah, I mean she is. I 690 00:41:02,719 --> 00:41:05,959 Speaker 1: now that I know that this is the last season. Um, yeah, 691 00:41:06,080 --> 00:41:09,120 Speaker 1: I'm I'm just I'm really excited for more. I'm really 692 00:41:09,160 --> 00:41:12,680 Speaker 1: excited for how this all kind of winds up. And 693 00:41:12,800 --> 00:41:15,920 Speaker 1: I'm mixed. I want to know what happens between Jerry 694 00:41:16,040 --> 00:41:23,040 Speaker 1: and Roman. Oh my god, their relationship up. I mean, 695 00:41:23,080 --> 00:41:26,360 Speaker 1: this is this show is that when you when you 696 00:41:26,440 --> 00:41:30,799 Speaker 1: come for Jerry Kellman, you fucking die on a private jet. 697 00:41:30,920 --> 00:41:35,960 Speaker 1: Because the whole episode starts with Logan deploying Roman, who's 698 00:41:36,000 --> 00:41:38,920 Speaker 1: newly back on his side, to fire Jerry at the 699 00:41:38,960 --> 00:41:42,520 Speaker 1: wedding um, which she does and like she is clearly 700 00:41:43,040 --> 00:41:46,080 Speaker 1: pissed and devastated, and Roman is pissed and devastated and 701 00:41:46,440 --> 00:41:49,600 Speaker 1: left that message for his father, which he's like unsure 702 00:41:49,640 --> 00:41:52,520 Speaker 1: if his if Logan listened to where he like called 703 00:41:52,560 --> 00:41:56,000 Speaker 1: him a cunt. I forgot, I forgot, and that's now, 704 00:41:56,280 --> 00:41:58,960 Speaker 1: that's now what he has to live with. Also, something 705 00:41:58,960 --> 00:42:01,680 Speaker 1: that I thought was interesting in listening to the podcast 706 00:42:01,800 --> 00:42:07,640 Speaker 1: is that the main sequence on the boat where you know, 707 00:42:07,719 --> 00:42:12,840 Speaker 1: there where Shiv finds out that, I mean, for the 708 00:42:12,880 --> 00:42:14,799 Speaker 1: main sequence on the boat where like they find out 709 00:42:14,840 --> 00:42:18,960 Speaker 1: about the death and like they're dealing with it. Apparently 710 00:42:18,960 --> 00:42:21,239 Speaker 1: while they were shooting it, they decided to do a 711 00:42:21,360 --> 00:42:24,000 Speaker 1: version of that where they shot it all as one take. 712 00:42:24,239 --> 00:42:27,560 Speaker 1: I knew it and I know really like performed performed 713 00:42:27,680 --> 00:42:31,240 Speaker 1: this like one act play on the boat and obviously 714 00:42:31,239 --> 00:42:33,359 Speaker 1: it wasn't put in the episode is one long take, 715 00:42:33,440 --> 00:42:36,480 Speaker 1: but apparently a lot of the shots that they used 716 00:42:36,520 --> 00:42:43,480 Speaker 1: were from that, And um, I mean, like what amazing writing, acting, directing, 717 00:42:43,600 --> 00:42:47,960 Speaker 1: like the choreography of that. This is just such a 718 00:42:48,800 --> 00:42:53,520 Speaker 1: such a well made TV show. Yeah, it really shows 719 00:42:53,840 --> 00:42:55,480 Speaker 1: that was kind of like going to be My final 720 00:42:55,520 --> 00:42:58,680 Speaker 1: note is like that on that choreography, like the cinema 721 00:42:59,040 --> 00:43:02,040 Speaker 1: was popping off, and I think that something, yes, something 722 00:43:02,080 --> 00:43:05,200 Speaker 1: that so now like the final take, like knowing that 723 00:43:05,239 --> 00:43:06,960 Speaker 1: it was like supposed to be all one take or 724 00:43:07,000 --> 00:43:08,640 Speaker 1: that they shot a version that was all one take. 725 00:43:09,520 --> 00:43:11,240 Speaker 1: That was one of the first things that I noticed 726 00:43:11,280 --> 00:43:14,480 Speaker 1: when the kind of when the death is kind of 727 00:43:14,520 --> 00:43:16,880 Speaker 1: put in motion or like the hints of death are 728 00:43:16,920 --> 00:43:19,920 Speaker 1: put in motion, we get a lot of really long shots. 729 00:43:19,920 --> 00:43:24,360 Speaker 1: And something that I really appreciated about this death process 730 00:43:24,360 --> 00:43:26,160 Speaker 1: and something that I wish other shows did was just 731 00:43:26,200 --> 00:43:30,280 Speaker 1: like understand the power of living something in real time 732 00:43:30,600 --> 00:43:33,319 Speaker 1: and as the viewer we felt like we were in 733 00:43:33,440 --> 00:43:37,680 Speaker 1: real time experiencing the death through each character as it 734 00:43:37,800 --> 00:43:41,239 Speaker 1: happened to each character. And something that people never do 735 00:43:41,320 --> 00:43:45,200 Speaker 1: in screenwriting is like to like when someone you know, 736 00:43:45,200 --> 00:43:47,040 Speaker 1: when something happens, and then they have to go to 737 00:43:47,040 --> 00:43:49,200 Speaker 1: two other characters and tell them what happens. They have 738 00:43:49,280 --> 00:43:51,360 Speaker 1: to recap and say, Okay, this is what happened, and 739 00:43:51,400 --> 00:43:53,640 Speaker 1: like you usually don't write that part into a script 740 00:43:53,680 --> 00:43:55,719 Speaker 1: because you don't have to recap for the audience because 741 00:43:55,719 --> 00:43:59,000 Speaker 1: we already watched it. But seeing the kind of game 742 00:43:59,040 --> 00:44:02,280 Speaker 1: of telephone that they were playing, and the various ways 743 00:44:02,320 --> 00:44:04,920 Speaker 1: that they literally yes, and the various ways they were 744 00:44:04,960 --> 00:44:07,680 Speaker 1: all kind of framing this death, and they all framed 745 00:44:07,719 --> 00:44:10,359 Speaker 1: it differently, whether it was in denial or whether they 746 00:44:10,360 --> 00:44:12,280 Speaker 1: wanted it to be their mom or whether they wanted, 747 00:44:12,560 --> 00:44:14,720 Speaker 1: you know, they wanted to like focus on the pr 748 00:44:14,880 --> 00:44:17,920 Speaker 1: like whatever. That I think was just genius because you 749 00:44:17,960 --> 00:44:23,000 Speaker 1: immediately saw where everyone stood and how they were thinking 750 00:44:23,040 --> 00:44:28,520 Speaker 1: of their own you know shit at the whole time. Oh, 751 00:44:28,520 --> 00:44:33,440 Speaker 1: it was so good. Yes, I mean not to not 752 00:44:33,520 --> 00:44:36,080 Speaker 1: to be this girl, but I mean I do think 753 00:44:36,080 --> 00:44:38,640 Speaker 1: this episode owes a lot to one of the most 754 00:44:38,760 --> 00:44:42,640 Speaker 1: iconic episodes of Buffy the Vampire Slash the Body, which 755 00:44:42,719 --> 00:44:46,719 Speaker 1: is the episode in which Buffy's mom dies and she 756 00:44:47,280 --> 00:44:50,880 Speaker 1: and the other characters deal with it basically in real time. 757 00:44:52,280 --> 00:44:56,480 Speaker 1: And yeah, I mean, you know, death, death, There's a 758 00:44:56,520 --> 00:45:01,400 Speaker 1: reason why it's played out in mos you know, popular 759 00:45:02,080 --> 00:45:05,920 Speaker 1: media and in most you know, really good media because 760 00:45:06,320 --> 00:45:08,839 Speaker 1: the way that people deal with death, I think says 761 00:45:08,880 --> 00:45:12,319 Speaker 1: a lot about who they learn about the human condition. Um. 762 00:45:12,560 --> 00:45:15,080 Speaker 1: And yeah, I mean that, Like, as we were saying before, 763 00:45:15,480 --> 00:45:18,200 Speaker 1: this whole show is about death. That is the point 764 00:45:18,200 --> 00:45:21,320 Speaker 1: of the show. And so of course Logan was always 765 00:45:21,320 --> 00:45:23,520 Speaker 1: going to die. He had to die, Like that is 766 00:45:23,520 --> 00:45:27,160 Speaker 1: the only way that this question of succession is actually 767 00:45:27,239 --> 00:45:30,279 Speaker 1: going to be figured out, because Logan has spent this 768 00:45:30,320 --> 00:45:35,200 Speaker 1: whole show not dying, Yeah, refusing, refusing to accept that 769 00:45:35,280 --> 00:45:39,360 Speaker 1: he would die, and seeing his children and their their 770 00:45:39,400 --> 00:45:44,120 Speaker 1: struggle for power as the living, breathing embodiment of his 771 00:45:44,200 --> 00:45:48,960 Speaker 1: own mortality. And that's all interesting to see what Yeah, 772 00:45:49,040 --> 00:45:51,720 Speaker 1: and it'll be very interesting to see what the show 773 00:45:51,760 --> 00:45:55,600 Speaker 1: becomes in the absence of that. He will leave a 774 00:45:55,719 --> 00:45:58,160 Speaker 1: huge hole. Um, not only in my heart but in 775 00:45:58,200 --> 00:46:04,760 Speaker 1: my assy would suck? Would suck? Well, not let Brian 776 00:46:04,840 --> 00:46:09,040 Speaker 1: Cox would suck Logan Royan. 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