WEBVTT - Weirdhouse Cinema: I Married a Monster from Outer Space

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to Stuff to Blow your Mind, a production of iHeartRadio.

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<v Speaker 2>Hey, welcome to Weird House Cinema. This is Rob Lamb.

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<v Speaker 3>And this is Joe McCormick. And today on Weird House Cinema,

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<v Speaker 3>we're going to be talking about the nineteen fifty eight

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<v Speaker 3>sci fi horror movie I Married a Monster from Outer Space,

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<v Speaker 3>directed by longtime Hollywood film editor Gene Fowler Junior, starring

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<v Speaker 3>Gloria Talbot and Tom Tryan spoiler warning. As always, I

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<v Speaker 3>figure we should put that right at the top. If

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<v Speaker 3>you're new to this show. We always end up talking

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<v Speaker 3>about the plot in some pretty extreme detail. So if

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<v Speaker 3>you want to go into this movie unspoiled, go check

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<v Speaker 3>it out. Now. I know it's a few decades late

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<v Speaker 3>now on that, but you know you still have the

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<v Speaker 3>chance if you want to pause here and go watch

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<v Speaker 3>the movie. I don't know where the best place to

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<v Speaker 3>start is, but maybe with the title I Married a

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<v Speaker 3>Monster from Outer Space that the wordiness of the title

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<v Speaker 3>really catches up with you when you're like typing it

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<v Speaker 3>a lot in the notes. It's one of those fifties

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<v Speaker 3>movies with an overly descriptive title, and yet unlike a

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<v Speaker 3>lot of these movies with really wordy titles. It's not

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<v Speaker 3>misleading like It Conquered the World. This one is wordy,

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<v Speaker 3>but as a plot summary, it's right on the money.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, this is exactly how it goes down.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah. So the story is about a young woman named

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<v Speaker 3>Marge who begins to suspect that her very hunky new

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<v Speaker 3>husband Bill may actually be an alien in disguise, and

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<v Speaker 3>he is. This was a new movie for me. I

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<v Speaker 3>just saw it for the first time over the weekend.

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<v Speaker 3>I watched it with Rachel, and I was really pleasantly surprised.

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<v Speaker 3>I kind of picked it because, for one thing, because

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<v Speaker 3>of the funny title, and also because you know, I'd

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<v Speaker 3>read some people online saying it was worth a look.

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<v Speaker 3>I thought it was actually really good. There are definitely

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<v Speaker 3>some dated and goofy elements, and I'm excited to talk

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<v Speaker 3>about those as well. One of the funniest parts of

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<v Speaker 3>it being that you can literally never tell what time

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<v Speaker 3>it's supposed to be in the movie, because it's obviously

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<v Speaker 3>the middle of the night. Characters are asleep and they

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<v Speaker 3>get up out of bed and leave the house, but

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<v Speaker 3>it's shot in broad daylight. But the movie really does

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<v Speaker 3>hit hard on multiple levels. I think it's got a

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<v Speaker 3>quite strong script with pretty tight plotting that is smart

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<v Speaker 3>and interesting in several ways that we can talk about

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<v Speaker 3>as we go on. I think has really good central performances,

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<v Speaker 3>especially by Gloria Talbot and Tom Tryan. It has some

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<v Speaker 3>fantastic for the time visual effects. I'm thinking particularly of

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<v Speaker 3>the blooming smoke which steals men's souls. And I really

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<v Speaker 3>like the creature suits that we see as well. The

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<v Speaker 3>heads are somehow a combination of the Darth Vader helmet

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<v Speaker 3>with a cypress root. Paul It's kind of radiation suit

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<v Speaker 3>meets a vascular plant. So this all comes together and

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<v Speaker 3>makes for I think a really effective little film.

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<v Speaker 2>Absolutely, Yeah, I Married a Monster from Outer Space is

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<v Speaker 2>really solid. My first exposure to this movie, as with

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of classic B movies, came via nineteen eighty

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<v Speaker 2>two's It Came from Hollywood, which, well, if you're not

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<v Speaker 2>familiar with it, it was a clip field celebration of

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<v Speaker 2>classic Hollywood weirdness and some classic Hollywood awfulness with mild

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<v Speaker 2>riffing and some comedic skits by Dan Aykroyd, John Candy,

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<v Speaker 2>Cheech and Chong and then Gilda Radner they're all to

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<v Speaker 2>varying degrees very funny. No, not all the humors as

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<v Speaker 2>aged super well, but a lot of it is still

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<v Speaker 2>pretty solid, I do.

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<v Speaker 3>As far as the riffing goes, I don't think you

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<v Speaker 3>can do much better than we just sprayed for brains

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<v Speaker 3>last week.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, there's some good riffing in here, pre msd riffing.

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<v Speaker 2>But there were some clips from I Married a Monster

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<v Speaker 2>from Outer Space in it came from Hollywood, and the

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<v Speaker 2>monsters like really resonating. You're being bombarded with all these

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<v Speaker 2>different space monsters during these segments of this film. But

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<v Speaker 2>there was something about these that really stood out, this

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<v Speaker 2>kind of something about the sublime melding of black and

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<v Speaker 2>white photographic effects, solid costume work really had that kind

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<v Speaker 2>of classic Outer limits vibe to the creatures and so

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<v Speaker 2>much later on. I don't even remember when exactly I

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<v Speaker 2>did seek it out and I watched it in full,

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<v Speaker 2>but it was it wasn't as dedicated to viewing as

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<v Speaker 2>I gave it this week. So I remember watching it,

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<v Speaker 2>digging the effects and being like, oh, yeah, these effects

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<v Speaker 2>are really good, maybe laughing at some of the outdated elements,

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<v Speaker 2>but this time around, yeah, I thought the special effects

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<v Speaker 2>absolutely held up, but I was even more impressed with

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<v Speaker 2>everything else, particularly the lead performances and its thoughtful sci

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<v Speaker 2>fi treatment of distance and alienation within a married relationship.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I would agree with all of that. Now, I

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<v Speaker 3>did want to talk about the movie's title a little

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<v Speaker 3>bit more, because it is not just wordy or overly descriptive.

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<v Speaker 3>It's actually an example of a recurring format. It's kind

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<v Speaker 3>of a meme title style, this confessional title that starts

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<v Speaker 3>with the word I. Other examples being things like I

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<v Speaker 3>was a shoplifter or I was a teenage werewolf, which

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<v Speaker 3>is actually was by the same director as today's movie.

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<v Speaker 3>It was from the year before. So I got interested

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<v Speaker 3>in this and I was looking to see if anybody

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<v Speaker 3>had written about where this meme title format originally came from.

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<v Speaker 3>And I found an interesting analysis in an article it's

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<v Speaker 3>actually about this film about I Married a Monster from

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<v Speaker 3>outer Space on Turner Classic Movies by Richard Harlan Smith,

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<v Speaker 3>and Smith explains as follows quote. Tabloid magazines enjoyed a

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<v Speaker 3>veritable golden age in the United States after the Second

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<v Speaker 3>World War, at a time when economic prosperity wetted. A

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<v Speaker 3>ravening national appetite for gossip, whether the subjects were unfortunate

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<v Speaker 3>nobody's or celebrity scandal magnets. Americans appreciated having the inside

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<v Speaker 3>scoop or the illusion thereof, particularly when spilled first person

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<v Speaker 3>singular within the pages of confidential whisper or the National Inquirer.

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<v Speaker 3>In Hollywood, the movies began to reflect this voyeuristic bent

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<v Speaker 3>with brazenly confessional titles along the lines of I was

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<v Speaker 3>a criminal from nineteen forty five, I was a male

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<v Speaker 3>warbride nineteen forty nine, and I was a shoplifter nineteen fifty.

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<v Speaker 3>So Smith is arguing here that it begins in nineteen

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<v Speaker 3>forties tabloids and gossip magazines. It's this phrasing that offers

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<v Speaker 3>a kind of lurid intimacy, like I'm going to tell

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<v Speaker 3>you a secret and it's going to be shocking. So

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<v Speaker 3>first it is a type of tabloid headline, and then

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<v Speaker 3>that format, or that sensibility at least, is brought over

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<v Speaker 3>into the marketing of films. So Smith goes on to

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<v Speaker 3>say that over time these I was a something films

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<v Speaker 3>tend to become more shocking and also more specific, and

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<v Speaker 3>they really start to focus on Weird Secrets about or

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<v Speaker 3>from within a marriage quote. In nineteen forty two, both

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<v Speaker 3>I Married an Angel and I Married a Witch posited

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<v Speaker 3>happy fantasy unions of humans and otherworldly creatures of uncommon beauty.

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<v Speaker 3>By the end of the decade, however, the mood had

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<v Speaker 3>darkened considerably, though their titles would be changed for theatrical release.

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<v Speaker 3>I Married a Communist aka the woman on Peer thirteen

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<v Speaker 3>from nineteen forty nine. That's a film noir. And also

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<v Speaker 3>I Married a dead Man aka no Man of her

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<v Speaker 3>Own from nineteen fifty broached a connubial incompatibility of epic proportions,

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<v Speaker 3>a marital malaise that reached its apotheosis in nineteen fifty

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<v Speaker 3>eight with I Married a Monster from outer Space.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Yeah, this whole legacy of I Married a blank film,

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<v Speaker 2>it's pretty fascinating. I did read that I Married a

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<v Speaker 2>Communist was the initial title for Peer thirteen, then the

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<v Speaker 2>kind of the woman from on Peer thirteen, and then the kind.

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<v Speaker 3>Of backed off of it.

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<v Speaker 2>I guess audiences didn't like it as much, but but

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<v Speaker 2>in general, like you can definitely see the power of it.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, this this kind of the bait is that

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<v Speaker 2>there's a. You know, the will the would be filmgoer

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<v Speaker 2>is gonna have to contemplate the change and identity within

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<v Speaker 2>the confines of a married relationship. Uh, in a kind

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<v Speaker 2>of promisingly evocative way. So like that sweet loving person

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<v Speaker 2>that I married, Oops, they're actually a dracula, They're actually

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<v Speaker 2>a franket, stuff, and so forth.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, you can see why it's a successful pitch. It

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<v Speaker 3>packages a lot into a few words. It Uh, it

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<v Speaker 3>implies automatically relationship stakes and drama, human drama. Like you

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<v Speaker 3>can see how there I married a blank always seems

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<v Speaker 3>to imply surprise of some kind, which implies deception, which

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<v Speaker 3>you know, is something that the characters are going to

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<v Speaker 3>have to work through. So that's guaranteed drama on the

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<v Speaker 3>front end. And then also, of course I'm married a whatever.

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<v Speaker 3>Even if it's not going to be explicit, it implies

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<v Speaker 3>that there will be something about sex, you know, it

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<v Speaker 3>just like conjures the idea of sexual union into the mind.

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<v Speaker 3>Well yeah, like even sexual secrets will be discovered.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Like even in this picture, which again is fifty

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<v Speaker 2>eight very much a bedroom door closed picture, still the

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<v Speaker 2>idea of sex and the idea of human reproduction is

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<v Speaker 2>very much an important part of the film. It just

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<v Speaker 2>is alluded to, you know, at times, you know, very

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<v Speaker 2>very chastily, very clinically in some regards. It's happening in

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<v Speaker 2>the background, but is absolutely essential to the plot.

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<v Speaker 3>I agree this movie is not very explicit in any way.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, certainly not visually explicit, but the sexual and

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<v Speaker 3>reproductive themes of it are definitely central and one of

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<v Speaker 3>the strongest elements. Actually. Yeah, So this film I Married

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<v Speaker 3>a Monster from Outer Space was originally released as part

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<v Speaker 3>of a double feature with The Blob. Could you have

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<v Speaker 3>guessed the weird pairing, isn't it?

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<v Speaker 2>It's a great pairing, though. Imagine getting to see two

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<v Speaker 2>classics like this back to back. I mean, assuming you

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<v Speaker 2>were there to actually watch the film and not make out.

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<v Speaker 2>Some people were there to watch the film though.

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<v Speaker 3>I Married a Monster was originally supposed to be the

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<v Speaker 3>A film, with The Blob running second, but reactions from

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<v Speaker 3>test audiences made Paramount decide to flip the bill, so

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<v Speaker 3>I Married became the b title. If you ask me,

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<v Speaker 3>I've seen them both, I would argue that I Married

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<v Speaker 3>a Monster from Outer Space is the better of the

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<v Speaker 3>two movies, at least in terms of writing and acting

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<v Speaker 3>in cinematography. No slam in the Blob, but I think

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<v Speaker 3>this is the stronger film. But reports from the time

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<v Speaker 3>are that the Blob won out because it was in color.

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<v Speaker 3>It's hard to beat colored. This is what the teenagers

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<v Speaker 3>wanted at the time. Even if you have a lot

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<v Speaker 3>of other stuff going for you, if you're in black

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<v Speaker 3>and white, it's just hard to compete.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, the Blob is pretty brilliant in color. And yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>the Blob is an Alzheimer Steve McQueen star jelly. That

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<v Speaker 2>great title sequence with the Bert Backerac theme song, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>it establishes that there's a party that's about to happen.

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<v Speaker 2>So for the driving especially, that makes sense. But I'd

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<v Speaker 2>agree that I Married a Monster Is is a far

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<v Speaker 2>more contemplative work with effects that I think stand up

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<v Speaker 2>even better. I don't know, it's kind of hard to

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<v Speaker 2>compare because we're used to the Blob. The Blob has

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<v Speaker 2>kind of like a bigger pop culture shadow. But yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>the effects in this film are terrific, and at the

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<v Speaker 2>very least are in their own way, on par with

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<v Speaker 2>the Blog.

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<v Speaker 3>In this movie, they're terrific, but they're more modest. I

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<v Speaker 3>mean The Blob is an effects centric film, and this

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<v Speaker 3>is not. This is a tense, frightening, little relationship drama

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<v Speaker 3>with you know, aliens and alien special effects woven in. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>So if you've seen a bunch of other sci fi

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<v Speaker 3>horror movies from the drive in era, you will probably

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<v Speaker 3>not be very surprised by the core plot or premise

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<v Speaker 3>of the movie. I would say this one actually makes

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<v Speaker 3>use of two different alien invasion premises that were popular

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<v Speaker 3>at the time that you'll find in other films. So

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<v Speaker 3>maybe we should talk about both of them and how

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<v Speaker 3>they kind of work into the themes of this movie,

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<v Speaker 3>and how they work into themes of other movies, and

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<v Speaker 3>then how they work in differently in this one. So

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<v Speaker 3>one of these plot types is the aliens in human

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<v Speaker 3>skin plot. The premise is that the alien invasion is covert,

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<v Speaker 3>not over, so it's not a flying saucer attacking Washington.

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<v Speaker 3>It's you know, the aliens are blending in with us.

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<v Speaker 3>They're trying to seize power by blending in with human

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<v Speaker 3>society and pretending to be us or acting through us.

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<v Speaker 3>And this can take several forms. Sometimes these movies have

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<v Speaker 3>a kind of puppeteering premise where aliens take control of

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<v Speaker 3>human bodies directly, either through technology like a mind control

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<v Speaker 3>ray or by taking up residents inside us as some

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<v Speaker 3>kind of parasite. I think of the brain eaters. You know,

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<v Speaker 3>we've done plenty of movies like this. And then the

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<v Speaker 3>other major version is body duplication or body snatching, where

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<v Speaker 3>aliens copy the appearance of an earthling but remain themselves

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<v Speaker 3>on the inside.

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<v Speaker 2>And these are both. These are these are great choices

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<v Speaker 2>to make, especially with a scrappier B movie budget, right,

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<v Speaker 2>because you can if you can afford monster effects that

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<v Speaker 2>look pretty good, great, you can use them, but you

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<v Speaker 2>can use them sparingly. And if you've got actors who

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<v Speaker 2>are even just halfway decent at their job, you're gonna

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<v Speaker 2>be able to lean on those performances more and not

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<v Speaker 2>have to worry about what kind of you know, plaster

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<v Speaker 2>goop is attached to their faces.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and of course you get instant tension and drama

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<v Speaker 3>from the idea of someone pretending to be something they're not.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it absolutely works.

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<v Speaker 3>So a lot of these body snatching movies from the

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<v Speaker 3>fifties are now interpreted. I was actually wondering about this.

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<v Speaker 3>I should have looked it up before we recorded how

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<v Speaker 3>often it was interpreted this way at the time, but

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<v Speaker 3>at least retrospectively, they're now interpreted as Cold war paranoia,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, consciously or unconsciously expressing fears about communist infiltration,

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<v Speaker 3>Like they look just like your neighbors and your coworkers,

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<v Speaker 3>but secretly they are Red spies. You know, they're subversives

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<v Speaker 3>trying to destroy your way of life. I have seen

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<v Speaker 3>a few comments online that seem to casually lump I

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<v Speaker 3>married a monster from outer space in with those other

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<v Speaker 3>movies like, oh, it is another cold war political paranoia

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<v Speaker 3>body snatching movie, you know, assuming it's about fears of

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<v Speaker 3>secret political infiltration. I really don't agree with that reading.

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<v Speaker 3>I think the themes of identity and mistrust raised by

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<v Speaker 3>the body snatching plot here are actually in service of

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<v Speaker 3>a different constellation of ideas, mostly related to sex and gender.

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<v Speaker 3>Actually that and actually I'll come back to this in

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<v Speaker 3>a second, but the same ideas are raised by the

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<v Speaker 3>second main familiar sci fi premise this movie uses, which

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<v Speaker 3>is the reproductive conspiracy.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, I agree that this film seems mostly concerned

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<v Speaker 2>with relationships and distance in those relationships, and there are

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<v Speaker 2>various ways you can interpret that. I've noticed some online

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<v Speaker 2>re examining this film in terms of closeted nineteen fifty

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<v Speaker 2>sexual identity and orientation, and I can see where those

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<v Speaker 2>connections can be strongly made with a lot of it,

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<v Speaker 2>I think, hinging on what we now know about star

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<v Speaker 2>Tom Tryan's closet homosexuality, at least as far as his

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<v Speaker 2>public persona was concerned as first an actor and then

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<v Speaker 2>as a writer.

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<v Speaker 3>I would be interested to read about that. I would say,

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know at the surface level if I see

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<v Speaker 3>that kind of content intended within the film itself, but

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<v Speaker 3>maybe I don't know. Yeah, yeah, but anyway, So the

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<v Speaker 3>other thing that is, like a common type of fifties

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<v Speaker 3>sci fi horror movie plot that appears here is the

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<v Speaker 3>reproductive conspiracy. So the idea is space aliens have lost

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<v Speaker 3>the ability to reproduce sexually on their own. Often these

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<v Speaker 3>plots are because one of the sexes has been wiped

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<v Speaker 3>out by a catastrophe, so they decide they need to

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<v Speaker 3>mate with humans in order to continue their line. We

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<v Speaker 3>have covered several movies like this before, though always sillier

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<v Speaker 3>versions like Ship of Monsters from nineteen sixty. Actually one

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<v Speaker 3>of my favorite movies we've ever done on the show.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, love, and I can't believe you're arguing that it's

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<v Speaker 2>not serious.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, yeah, it's It's seriousness is masked by the heart

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<v Speaker 3>of a clown. There's that one. And then also Devil

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<v Speaker 3>Girl from Mars, which is less overtly silly than Ship

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<v Speaker 3>of Monsters, but is still pretty silly.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it has a certain amount of cant to it.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah. I would say that the reproductive plot in I

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<v Speaker 3>Married a Monster from Outer Space feels significantly more serious

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<v Speaker 3>and frightening than it does in those two movies, which

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<v Speaker 3>is partly due to just approach, you know, differences in

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<v Speaker 3>the writing like those movies are sillier, but also because

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<v Speaker 3>of the swap to gender dynamics, like in those movies

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<v Speaker 3>women from space need earth Men, which is usually played

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<v Speaker 3>for comedy in the movies. In I Married a Monster

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<v Speaker 3>from Outer Space, men from space are trying to have

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<v Speaker 3>offspring with Earth women, which that premise tends to create

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<v Speaker 3>a darker and more threatening tone. And I think I

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<v Speaker 3>think also in an interesting way, indirectly racist theme of

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<v Speaker 3>sexual autonomy and reproductive rights for women. I don't want

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<v Speaker 3>to overstate that element or overstate the feminist credentials of

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<v Speaker 3>this film. Because it is a drive in movie from

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<v Speaker 3>nineteen fifty eight, You're not going to get explicit discussion

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<v Speaker 3>of stuff like that on screen, but it does, I think,

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<v Speaker 3>raise those ideas in an interesting and provocative way. And

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<v Speaker 3>I think one cool power of speculative genres like science

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<v Speaker 3>fiction and horror is that within them you can sometimes

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<v Speaker 3>raise questions by implication and analogy which might not be

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<v Speaker 3>given a fair hearing by the same audience if you

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<v Speaker 3>just brought them up directly.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Yeah, I think that's a great point, and I

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<v Speaker 2>would agree that it is treated with I mean that

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<v Speaker 2>this is saying men, but it is treated with a

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<v Speaker 2>lot more seriousness than say nineteen sixty eight's Mars Needs

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<v Speaker 2>Women or sixty fives Frankenstein Meets the Space Monster, in

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<v Speaker 2>which you have like bikini ladies brought into parade before

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<v Speaker 2>the Martian overlords so forth.

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<v Speaker 3>I guess, yeah, there are some movies like that that

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<v Speaker 3>also just treat it for comedy. Sometimes that for some

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<v Speaker 3>reason feels just more in bad taste.

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<v Speaker 2>Yea, we may have to come back to Frankenstein Meets

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<v Speaker 2>the Space Monster. Though there's a lot of as I

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<v Speaker 2>recall there's a lot of canned footage in there of

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<v Speaker 2>like planes and rockets and whatnot, but also some legitimately

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<v Speaker 2>goofy weirdness.

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<v Speaker 3>Is that the one with the bald guy with the

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<v Speaker 3>pointy ears.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, he's another one that I remember mostly from

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<v Speaker 2>it came from Hollywood.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, But anyway, I think maybe we can talk a

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<v Speaker 3>bit more about these themes when we get into the

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<v Speaker 3>plot section later in the episode.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Yeah, I'm just going to throw out here real quick.

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<v Speaker 2>We've been doing Weird House Cinema for a few years now.

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<v Speaker 2>You can find all those episodes in the audio archive

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<v Speaker 2>wherever you get your podcast. We cover movies from different decades.

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<v Speaker 2>This is our twenty third Weird House Cinema selection from

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<v Speaker 2>the nineteen fifties, and I often will look and see, well,

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<v Speaker 2>what did Michael Weldon have to say about this film

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<v Speaker 2>and psychotronic Encyclopedia film or it's companion book, and he

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<v Speaker 2>describes this one as quote an overlooked, well made science

0:20:05.200 --> 0:20:10.520
<v Speaker 2>fiction hit that should appeal especially to women. I mean, yes,

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<v Speaker 2>but I mean I think it would appeal to everybody.

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<v Speaker 2>It's it's a pretty solid film, all right, Joe, do

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<v Speaker 2>you have an elevator pitch.

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<v Speaker 3>The title is already an elevator pitch. But yeah, the

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<v Speaker 3>other one is just what time is it? Totally unclear?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, is it day?

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<v Speaker 3>Is it night?

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<v Speaker 2>Sometimes there are there's some strong hints, like, well, they're

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<v Speaker 2>having a picnic outside surrounded by the people. It has

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<v Speaker 2>to be daytime.

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<v Speaker 3>The only business that's opened seems to be the bar,

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<v Speaker 3>so I think it's night.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you're wearing your nightgown. Must be night. Though the

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<v Speaker 2>nightgowns of the late nineteen fifties are not that now

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<v Speaker 2>it's harder for us to necessarily distinguish if this is

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<v Speaker 2>a nightgown or this is a dayware. So yeah, all right.

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<v Speaker 2>If you were interested in watching I Married a Monster

0:20:57.359 --> 0:21:01.760
<v Speaker 2>from Outer Space, well, it is widely available. You can

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<v Speaker 2>stream it or buy it digitally in a number of places,

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<v Speaker 2>and if you would like to get a little physical

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<v Speaker 2>media while, it's available on Blu Ray from Imprint as

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<v Speaker 2>well as Shout Factory. Shout Factory put out a double

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<v Speaker 2>feature set that also includes nineteen fifty five's Conquest of Space.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, let's get into the folks behind this film,

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<v Speaker 2>starting with the director, who was also a producer on

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<v Speaker 2>this film. That's Gene Fowler Junior, who of nineteen seventeen

0:21:36.080 --> 0:21:40.120
<v Speaker 2>through nineteen ninety eight. I think we already alluded to

0:21:40.160 --> 0:21:43.400
<v Speaker 2>his past as an editor. He was actually an Academy

0:21:43.440 --> 0:21:46.840
<v Speaker 2>Award nominated film editor or would become one for nineteen

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<v Speaker 2>sixty four's It's a Mad, Mad, Mad Mad World. He

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<v Speaker 2>worked primarily as an editor of TV and film from

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<v Speaker 2>about thirty five through nineteen eighty five, but he also

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<v Speaker 2>directed a series of projects along the way, beginning with

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<v Speaker 2>the nineteen fifty two TV film China Smith, which spawned

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<v Speaker 2>a TV series of the same name, which he also directed,

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<v Speaker 2>and he followed that up with the nineteen fifty seven

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<v Speaker 2>trend setting hit I Was a Teenage Werewolf, starring a

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<v Speaker 2>young Michael Landon.

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<v Speaker 3>According to the Turner Classic Movies Retrospective by Richard Harlan

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<v Speaker 3>Smith I mentioned earlier, Fowler took the chance to helm

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<v Speaker 3>I Was a Teenage Werewolf because he wanted to try

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<v Speaker 3>his hand at directing, and then, based on the title,

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<v Speaker 3>he assumed nobody was gonna see this movie and he

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<v Speaker 3>was wrong.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, And it was a hit. The film was

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<v Speaker 2>enough of a success, and it hit enough of a

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<v Speaker 2>nerve with the teen powered pop culture of the day.

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<v Speaker 2>That it led to multiple mostly unrelated projects looking to

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<v Speaker 2>cash in on success, and then later It's cult following

0:22:47.520 --> 0:22:50.880
<v Speaker 2>a nostalgia factor, but basically a whole string of teensploystation

0:22:51.080 --> 0:22:54.760
<v Speaker 2>films followed, and these included Let's See I Was a

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<v Speaker 2>teenage Frankenstein from fifty seven, The Blood of Dracula from

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<v Speaker 2>fifty seven, which, despite the rather generic Dracula title, is

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<v Speaker 2>apparently essentially a teenage vampire movie.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh that's funny. I would have assumed that has Christopher

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<v Speaker 3>Lee in it.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, teenage cave Man from fifty eight, Teenagers from Outer

0:23:12.800 --> 0:23:14.920
<v Speaker 2>Space from fifty nine. That one has some really cool

0:23:14.920 --> 0:23:16.040
<v Speaker 2>effects in it as well.

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<v Speaker 3>One that one was on Mystery Science Theater was there's a.

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<v Speaker 2>There's in particular, the teens look a bit old. These

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<v Speaker 2>are your you know, your standard issue twenties and thirties teens.

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<v Speaker 2>But there's a great scene where somebody kills a dog

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<v Speaker 2>with a ray gun.

0:23:32.760 --> 0:23:34.320
<v Speaker 3>Points the ray gun at it, and then it just

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<v Speaker 3>turns into a skeleton. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, really solid old time the effect. But yeah. Fowler

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<v Speaker 2>of though he'd moved on to a handful of nonspecuative

0:23:44.119 --> 0:23:47.240
<v Speaker 2>genre of films before coming back in fifty eight to

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<v Speaker 2>him today's film I Married a Monster from Outer Space,

0:23:50.119 --> 0:23:53.520
<v Speaker 2>which isn't a teen movie, but benefits from that same

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<v Speaker 2>sort of snappy title composition as we discussed, you know,

0:23:57.200 --> 0:23:59.680
<v Speaker 2>I Married a blank instantly draws you in.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>So Fowler went on to direct I'll See nineteen fifty

0:24:03.680 --> 0:24:06.240
<v Speaker 2>nine's The Revel Set, also seen on Mystery Science Theater

0:24:06.320 --> 0:24:10.680
<v Speaker 2>three thousand, nineteen fifty nine's Here Come the Jets spoiler

0:24:10.760 --> 0:24:13.600
<v Speaker 2>the Jets are not warm in this case, and various

0:24:13.640 --> 0:24:16.879
<v Speaker 2>TV show episodes. He may have had a hand in

0:24:16.920 --> 0:24:20.480
<v Speaker 2>a final film, nineteen seventy eight's The Astral Factor later

0:24:20.560 --> 0:24:26.600
<v Speaker 2>re released as Invisible Strangler starring Robert Foxworth. The workpieces

0:24:26.720 --> 0:24:29.639
<v Speaker 2>the workpiece, but details on his involvement in that particular

0:24:29.720 --> 0:24:31.760
<v Speaker 2>film are sketchy, so I can't tell he actually had

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<v Speaker 2>anything to do with it, and if he did, do

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<v Speaker 2>what degree.

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<v Speaker 3>Fowler allegedly took the job to direct I Married a

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<v Speaker 3>Monster from Outer Space in part because he was promised

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<v Speaker 3>broad creative freedom. The one stipulation from the financiers was

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<v Speaker 3>that the aliens had to glow, and you know what,

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<v Speaker 3>I'll take that as far as creative metaling goes, I

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<v Speaker 3>think that idea works. It looks good. I like the

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<v Speaker 3>glowing aliens.

0:24:56.000 --> 0:24:58.840
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, as we'll come back to the glowing effect is

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<v Speaker 2>absolutely solid. So they nailed it. They nailed the one

0:25:02.400 --> 0:25:04.280
<v Speaker 2>thing that was required, and then they delivered on pretty

0:25:04.320 --> 0:25:07.760
<v Speaker 2>much everything else as well. All right. The screenplay for

0:25:07.800 --> 0:25:10.040
<v Speaker 2>this film comes to us from Lewis Vittis, who have

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<v Speaker 2>nineteen eleven through nineteen sixty nine. A screenwriter who frequently

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<v Speaker 2>worked with Fowler, including on Jets and Rebel Set. His

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<v Speaker 2>speculative titles include the nineteen sixty four sleepwalking thriller The

0:25:21.040 --> 0:25:24.840
<v Speaker 2>Eyes of Annie Jones and the nineteen fifty seven atomic

0:25:24.920 --> 0:25:28.720
<v Speaker 2>monster film Monster from Green Hell and By the Way

0:25:28.960 --> 0:25:31.480
<v Speaker 2>I Married. A Monster from Outer Space was remade as

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<v Speaker 2>a TV film in nineteen ninety eight, directed by Nancy Malone.

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<v Speaker 2>I have not seen it. I looked at some stills

0:25:38.800 --> 0:25:42.639
<v Speaker 2>from it, and as I expected from a nineteen nineties

0:25:42.680 --> 0:25:48.000
<v Speaker 2>TV film, I wasn't really impressed by what I saw.

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe the film is good, but I'm not so certain

0:25:50.840 --> 0:25:51.680
<v Speaker 2>about those effects.

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<v Speaker 3>Well. The poster for it, which we looked up is

0:25:55.280 --> 0:25:58.639
<v Speaker 3>the poster from Basic Instinct. Both the text and the

0:25:58.680 --> 0:26:01.320
<v Speaker 3>actors swapped out. That's an interesting choice.

0:26:01.400 --> 0:26:03.520
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I don't know. It's like, this film does such

0:26:03.520 --> 0:26:06.320
<v Speaker 2>a great job with everything that it has, and its

0:26:06.320 --> 0:26:10.120
<v Speaker 2>effects are so stellar, especially for the time. Yeah, it's

0:26:11.520 --> 0:26:14.440
<v Speaker 2>It's a great concept though, and I celebrate the idea

0:26:14.520 --> 0:26:16.600
<v Speaker 2>that it was remade and maybe it is good it.

0:26:16.640 --> 0:26:19.240
<v Speaker 2>Folks out there, if you've seen I Married a Monster,

0:26:19.600 --> 0:26:21.840
<v Speaker 2>the remake of I Married a Monster from outer Space

0:26:22.359 --> 0:26:23.680
<v Speaker 2>right in and let's know what you thought.

0:26:24.400 --> 0:26:26.120
<v Speaker 3>Let's talk about Gloria Talbot, our star.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Yeah, she has second billing, but she's our clear

0:26:29.440 --> 0:26:34.040
<v Speaker 2>protagonist here, Gloria Talbot playing Marge. She lived nineteen thirty

0:26:34.040 --> 0:26:37.320
<v Speaker 2>one through the year two thousand. Nineteen fifties, Brunette Starlett

0:26:37.320 --> 0:26:40.800
<v Speaker 2>perhaps best remembered for her various B movies, which also

0:26:40.840 --> 0:26:44.600
<v Speaker 2>include nineteen fifty seven's The Cyclops as well as Daughter

0:26:44.680 --> 0:26:48.080
<v Speaker 2>of Doctor Jekyl. And then there's nineteen sixties The Leech Woman,

0:26:48.320 --> 0:26:51.560
<v Speaker 2>another film that has been featured on Mystery Science Theater

0:26:51.680 --> 0:26:54.160
<v Speaker 2>three thousand and one that I remember being pretty fun

0:26:54.200 --> 0:26:56.159
<v Speaker 2>and having some legitimately creepy moments in it.

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<v Speaker 3>I want to see Daughter of Doctor Jekyl because for

0:27:00.240 --> 0:27:03.880
<v Speaker 3>several reasons, one of which is that it follows up

0:27:03.960 --> 0:27:07.439
<v Speaker 3>on the premise of Doctor Jekyl and Mister Hyde the novel,

0:27:07.960 --> 0:27:10.840
<v Speaker 3>which is that, as you'll recall, doctor Jekyll turns into

0:27:10.880 --> 0:27:11.520
<v Speaker 3>a werewolf.

0:27:13.920 --> 0:27:17.119
<v Speaker 2>Hmm all right, Yeah, there are a lot of I

0:27:17.160 --> 0:27:20.520
<v Speaker 2>feel like when it comes to some of the classic

0:27:20.600 --> 0:27:23.440
<v Speaker 2>literary monsters, Doctor Jekyl and Mister Hyde is one of

0:27:23.480 --> 0:27:29.160
<v Speaker 2>those where interpretations can vary in very specific but very

0:27:29.160 --> 0:27:32.040
<v Speaker 2>interesting ways, Like you can't. I don't know, we need

0:27:32.080 --> 0:27:33.800
<v Speaker 2>to come back at some point and do a jacculine

0:27:33.840 --> 0:27:36.720
<v Speaker 2>Hyde movie. I don't think we've actually done one, but

0:27:37.560 --> 0:27:39.400
<v Speaker 2>there are numerous choices to be made there.

0:27:39.840 --> 0:27:40.720
<v Speaker 3>Maybe this is the one.

0:27:40.800 --> 0:27:43.919
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. She also appeared in a number of Western She

0:27:43.960 --> 0:27:46.439
<v Speaker 2>did a lot of TV work, and that included various

0:27:46.480 --> 0:27:49.560
<v Speaker 2>Western TV properties as well. But I have to say

0:27:49.640 --> 0:27:53.320
<v Speaker 2>she's pretty great in this. I thought, yeah, perfectly wonderful

0:27:53.359 --> 0:27:57.760
<v Speaker 2>performance and while at the same time delivering on sort

0:27:57.760 --> 0:28:02.400
<v Speaker 2>of that nineteen fifties starling eye candy as well. Obviously

0:28:02.720 --> 0:28:07.879
<v Speaker 2>gorgeous woman opposite gorgeous lead male performance. Is that necessary

0:28:07.920 --> 0:28:10.320
<v Speaker 2>for a film, Well, if you're going to if it's

0:28:10.320 --> 0:28:12.320
<v Speaker 2>a nineteen fifties drive in it's kind of like, that's

0:28:12.320 --> 0:28:14.960
<v Speaker 2>the idea, these two will kiss, don't you want to

0:28:15.000 --> 0:28:15.320
<v Speaker 2>see it?

0:28:15.760 --> 0:28:18.919
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, Tom Tryon's hunkiness is its own kind of thing.

0:28:19.000 --> 0:28:21.120
<v Speaker 3>It's a major presence in the film, and I think

0:28:21.160 --> 0:28:23.960
<v Speaker 3>affects how the movie is received. And maybe we should

0:28:23.960 --> 0:28:26.320
<v Speaker 3>come back and talk to that, talk about that later,

0:28:26.880 --> 0:28:27.359
<v Speaker 3>but yes.

0:28:27.560 --> 0:28:27.679
<v Speaker 2>So.

0:28:27.720 --> 0:28:31.960
<v Speaker 3>Gloria Talbot was at least retrospectively known as a scream

0:28:32.080 --> 0:28:34.919
<v Speaker 3>queen of the fifties. She did a number of horror movies,

0:28:34.960 --> 0:28:39.880
<v Speaker 3>and apparently Talbot said in interviews that she considered working

0:28:39.920 --> 0:28:43.120
<v Speaker 3>on this movie a significant step up in her career.

0:28:43.640 --> 0:28:45.960
<v Speaker 3>Both of the horror movies she did in fifty seven

0:28:46.000 --> 0:28:49.760
<v Speaker 3>were very low budget. For example, I was reading some

0:28:49.800 --> 0:28:53.360
<v Speaker 3>stories about the production of The Daughter of Doctor Jekyl.

0:28:53.840 --> 0:28:57.160
<v Speaker 3>According to Talbot, the majority of the production took place

0:28:57.200 --> 0:29:00.520
<v Speaker 3>at somebody's house, and in the final film you could

0:29:00.560 --> 0:29:03.800
<v Speaker 3>occasionally see cars driving by in the street outside through

0:29:03.840 --> 0:29:05.720
<v Speaker 3>the windows, and the movie's supposed to take place in

0:29:05.800 --> 0:29:10.960
<v Speaker 3>like nineteen ten. Her other movie from fifty seven, The Cyclops,

0:29:11.160 --> 0:29:15.160
<v Speaker 3>was a bert I Gordon feature not regarded as one

0:29:15.160 --> 0:29:18.840
<v Speaker 3>of bert I Gordon's best movies. Mister Big, by the Way,

0:29:19.000 --> 0:29:21.880
<v Speaker 3>directed some other movies we've done in Weird House before

0:29:21.920 --> 0:29:24.200
<v Speaker 3>Attack of the Puppet People and The Magic Sword. We've

0:29:24.200 --> 0:29:25.000
<v Speaker 3>done another one.

0:29:25.600 --> 0:29:28.320
<v Speaker 2>No, I mean, we want to do The Amazing Colossal

0:29:28.400 --> 0:29:30.280
<v Speaker 2>Man at some point, but that one has been just

0:29:31.080 --> 0:29:33.960
<v Speaker 2>very hard to source legitimately for a long time. I

0:29:33.960 --> 0:29:37.320
<v Speaker 2>don't think it's received an official Blu Ray release. You

0:29:37.320 --> 0:29:39.400
<v Speaker 2>can't stream it anywhere. But I really want to come

0:29:39.400 --> 0:29:40.200
<v Speaker 2>back to that one.

0:29:40.400 --> 0:29:44.960
<v Speaker 3>It's in Blu Ray purgatory. Yeah. So by contrast, I

0:29:45.000 --> 0:29:48.720
<v Speaker 3>Married a Monster from Outer Space was a modest, mid

0:29:48.720 --> 0:29:53.000
<v Speaker 3>budget production, and in that article for TCM I mentioned

0:29:53.000 --> 0:29:57.760
<v Speaker 3>earlier by Smith, he mentioned he says that Talbot has

0:29:57.800 --> 0:30:01.800
<v Speaker 3>said she quote appreciated the relative luxury of the Paramount backlot.

0:30:03.520 --> 0:30:06.680
<v Speaker 3>A few more details from that article, which are most

0:30:06.720 --> 0:30:09.520
<v Speaker 3>of which are originally sourced to an interview Gloria Talbot

0:30:09.560 --> 0:30:13.560
<v Speaker 3>gave to the film historian Tom Weaver in nineteen eighty six. Overall,

0:30:13.720 --> 0:30:16.120
<v Speaker 3>she liked the experience of making this movie, and she

0:30:16.200 --> 0:30:19.920
<v Speaker 3>was proud of the final film, but noted a few frustrations.

0:30:20.360 --> 0:30:22.840
<v Speaker 3>One is that during the middle of production she developed

0:30:22.840 --> 0:30:26.360
<v Speaker 3>an absessed tooth ough yikes, and so I was looking

0:30:26.440 --> 0:30:29.040
<v Speaker 3>for that once I knew that detail, Like, can you

0:30:29.080 --> 0:30:31.600
<v Speaker 3>see the pain in any of the scenes. I don't

0:30:31.640 --> 0:30:32.880
<v Speaker 3>know if I can tell that.

0:30:32.960 --> 0:30:35.800
<v Speaker 2>I did not need to know that about my actors, please.

0:30:36.040 --> 0:30:37.719
<v Speaker 3>I don't know if I can tell that from the acting.

0:30:37.800 --> 0:30:41.240
<v Speaker 3>I mean, she is going through pain in some scenes.

0:30:41.320 --> 0:30:44.040
<v Speaker 2>Well, you don't use it if you got it, But yeah,

0:30:44.200 --> 0:30:46.040
<v Speaker 2>I don't need to know about their dental pain.

0:30:47.320 --> 0:30:50.440
<v Speaker 3>She also claims she found the screenwriter Lewis Vittis to

0:30:50.480 --> 0:30:54.280
<v Speaker 3>be something of a stickler. She says he would park

0:30:54.360 --> 0:30:57.400
<v Speaker 3>his body right underneath the camera and watch the actors

0:30:57.440 --> 0:30:59.640
<v Speaker 3>like a hawk to make sure that they did not

0:30:59.720 --> 0:31:02.680
<v Speaker 3>change a single word of his dialogue. Which that is

0:31:02.720 --> 0:31:05.480
<v Speaker 3>an approach, you know, that is maybe not an improv

0:31:05.560 --> 0:31:08.320
<v Speaker 3>friendly set. But uh then again, as a writer, I

0:31:08.320 --> 0:31:09.680
<v Speaker 3>can sympathize somewhat.

0:31:09.880 --> 0:31:11.880
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, I mean I don't know. I'm always the

0:31:11.920 --> 0:31:15.080
<v Speaker 2>mind like when I when I have written text that

0:31:15.160 --> 0:31:18.560
<v Speaker 2>an actor is going to read, I'm always kind of like,

0:31:18.680 --> 0:31:20.320
<v Speaker 2>is this is this good? I don't know, Like you

0:31:20.560 --> 0:31:22.200
<v Speaker 2>I'm going to pass the ball to you and then

0:31:22.240 --> 0:31:24.680
<v Speaker 2>you score the touchdown with it. That's kind of my approach.

0:31:25.200 --> 0:31:28.800
<v Speaker 2>Maybe I'm just that says more about my uh, you know,

0:31:28.920 --> 0:31:33.360
<v Speaker 2>my relationship with with acting and you know, and and writing.

0:31:33.400 --> 0:31:35.560
<v Speaker 3>But you know, I guess it would just depend what

0:31:35.560 --> 0:31:37.480
<v Speaker 3>they're doing with it, Like, yeah, I feel like they're

0:31:37.520 --> 0:31:39.840
<v Speaker 3>improving it. Oftentimes I would feel that way.

0:31:39.920 --> 0:31:42.440
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, But you know, there's a lot to be said

0:31:42.480 --> 0:31:45.000
<v Speaker 2>of both approaches. You know, Obviously a lot of filmmakers

0:31:45.040 --> 0:31:48.600
<v Speaker 2>have made some wonderful discoveries and created some great content

0:31:48.640 --> 0:31:52.840
<v Speaker 2>by enabling there and allowing their actors to bring stuff

0:31:52.840 --> 0:31:56.600
<v Speaker 2>to life in their own words. But if you're if

0:31:56.640 --> 0:31:58.880
<v Speaker 2>you're more of a script purist, and then you've got

0:31:58.880 --> 0:32:00.720
<v Speaker 2>good company with the likes of the Coe Brothers, who

0:32:01.080 --> 0:32:05.160
<v Speaker 2>pretty famously don't use much in the way of improv

0:32:05.240 --> 0:32:07.080
<v Speaker 2>on the part of their actors and pretty much stick

0:32:07.120 --> 0:32:07.680
<v Speaker 2>to the script.

0:32:08.080 --> 0:32:11.880
<v Speaker 3>Yeah. One final detail from that article is that Talbot

0:32:11.920 --> 0:32:15.960
<v Speaker 3>remembered her co star Tom Tryan playing her husband quote

0:32:16.000 --> 0:32:19.600
<v Speaker 3>as cordial but aloof and that Tryan hated making the film.

0:32:20.120 --> 0:32:22.520
<v Speaker 3>So it's a good experience for her at least as

0:32:22.560 --> 0:32:24.920
<v Speaker 3>far as she remembered, not so fun for him.

0:32:24.920 --> 0:32:28.080
<v Speaker 2>Well, that'll be interesting to contemplate because on one hand,

0:32:29.000 --> 0:32:32.120
<v Speaker 2>maybe he's able to bring that energy into his performance

0:32:32.160 --> 0:32:35.200
<v Speaker 2>because there is this you know this distance to him,

0:32:35.240 --> 0:32:38.160
<v Speaker 2>and there should be, because he is an alien for

0:32:38.240 --> 0:32:39.920
<v Speaker 2>most of the picture. Most of the picture, he is

0:32:39.960 --> 0:32:44.720
<v Speaker 2>an alien pretending to be a human named Bill, and

0:32:45.600 --> 0:32:50.800
<v Speaker 2>while he doesn't hate humanity, he is having an interesting

0:32:50.840 --> 0:32:53.600
<v Speaker 2>time trying to figure out how it works, especially from

0:32:53.640 --> 0:32:54.880
<v Speaker 2>an emotional perspective.

0:32:56.120 --> 0:33:00.600
<v Speaker 3>The character of the alien Bill, I think is really interesting,

0:33:00.840 --> 0:33:04.960
<v Speaker 3>and Tom Tryan's performance is really good. He of course,

0:33:05.960 --> 0:33:08.840
<v Speaker 3>it is valuable to the film that he is an

0:33:08.840 --> 0:33:12.960
<v Speaker 3>incredibly handsome actor, I think, because that changes the way

0:33:13.000 --> 0:33:19.040
<v Speaker 3>this character is received. That he has amid this amid

0:33:19.080 --> 0:33:22.520
<v Speaker 3>this coldness and the problems within the relationship. He does

0:33:22.640 --> 0:33:26.680
<v Speaker 3>have a kind of raw sexual appeal, and that keeps

0:33:26.720 --> 0:33:30.160
<v Speaker 3>things especially weird and complicated when we're working through these

0:33:30.200 --> 0:33:34.080
<v Speaker 3>scenes where he's displaying this coldness or you know, there's

0:33:34.160 --> 0:33:36.400
<v Speaker 3>this threat about what he represents.

0:33:36.760 --> 0:33:38.920
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and I think one of the great things about

0:33:38.920 --> 0:33:41.560
<v Speaker 2>this film too, is that there's not a point in

0:33:41.600 --> 0:33:44.360
<v Speaker 2>the film where Bill is just like, oh, you got me.

0:33:44.440 --> 0:33:46.000
<v Speaker 2>I'm an alien and now I'm just going to be

0:33:46.040 --> 0:33:48.200
<v Speaker 2>a straight heel for the rest of the picture, Like

0:33:48.800 --> 0:33:52.960
<v Speaker 2>we're we end up in a much more thought provoking area,

0:33:53.480 --> 0:33:55.720
<v Speaker 2>where as we'll discuss you know, it's like his alien

0:33:55.800 --> 0:33:59.600
<v Speaker 2>nature is known, but he's also not like but he's

0:33:59.640 --> 0:34:02.880
<v Speaker 2>also trying to be more human. Like they're trying to

0:34:02.880 --> 0:34:04.920
<v Speaker 2>make it work even though one of them is an

0:34:04.920 --> 0:34:10.080
<v Speaker 2>alien from another planet. Yeah, so yeah. Tom trying Here

0:34:10.800 --> 0:34:14.200
<v Speaker 2>lived nineteen twenty six through nineteen ninety one. Golden Globe

0:34:14.239 --> 0:34:17.719
<v Speaker 2>nominated Actor for nineteen sixty fours The Cardinal. That was

0:34:17.800 --> 0:34:20.719
<v Speaker 2>an Auto Priminger film that co starred John Houston. It

0:34:20.800 --> 0:34:23.680
<v Speaker 2>was an inter war drama that took on various social

0:34:23.719 --> 0:34:26.359
<v Speaker 2>issues as well as the rise of fascism through a

0:34:26.440 --> 0:34:31.640
<v Speaker 2>Catholic lens. It was not a hit. And you know,

0:34:31.680 --> 0:34:36.920
<v Speaker 2>without knowing exactly how career concerns factor and had everything,

0:34:36.960 --> 0:34:40.680
<v Speaker 2>I wonder if Tryan's feelings about this movie might have

0:34:40.960 --> 0:34:44.640
<v Speaker 2>been related to that. Like, you know, in the Hollywood

0:34:44.640 --> 0:34:47.640
<v Speaker 2>of the nineteen fifties, generally speaking, like starring in a

0:34:47.719 --> 0:34:50.960
<v Speaker 2>horror movie or a sci fi film wasn't necessarily like

0:34:51.320 --> 0:34:53.640
<v Speaker 2>you're ascending the latter. I mean sometimes it worked out

0:34:53.680 --> 0:34:56.560
<v Speaker 2>that way. We were talking about the Blob. Steve McQueen. Obviously,

0:34:56.640 --> 0:34:59.240
<v Speaker 2>Steve McQueen went on to much bigger and greater things,

0:35:00.280 --> 0:35:03.200
<v Speaker 2>but it wasn't always seen as you know, a step

0:35:03.239 --> 0:35:04.080
<v Speaker 2>in the right direction.

0:35:04.880 --> 0:35:07.080
<v Speaker 3>Yes, and that wasn't just the nineteen fifties. I mean,

0:35:07.120 --> 0:35:09.880
<v Speaker 3>we were recently talking about actors reflecting on working in

0:35:09.880 --> 0:35:14.279
<v Speaker 3>the in the eighties, when it was still widely believed like, look,

0:35:14.280 --> 0:35:16.600
<v Speaker 3>you do horror movies, you're just not going to be

0:35:16.719 --> 0:35:19.439
<v Speaker 3>in mainstream movies. After that, people don't want to mess

0:35:19.440 --> 0:35:21.640
<v Speaker 3>with you. They think, okay, you're you're dealing in the

0:35:21.800 --> 0:35:24.680
<v Speaker 3>in the weird genres. You know, you're not part of

0:35:24.680 --> 0:35:26.200
<v Speaker 3>what we're doing now. Yeah.

0:35:26.200 --> 0:35:28.359
<v Speaker 2>Absolutely, this in a similar way, It's like they used

0:35:28.400 --> 0:35:29.799
<v Speaker 2>to say that about TV. I was like, oh, you're

0:35:29.840 --> 0:35:32.319
<v Speaker 2>doing TV. Now you're a TV actor. You're done with

0:35:32.400 --> 0:35:35.000
<v Speaker 2>mainstream cinema. And you know, nowadays it's a little more

0:35:35.000 --> 0:35:35.759
<v Speaker 2>complicated than that.

0:35:36.400 --> 0:35:39.160
<v Speaker 3>Yeah. Well, and obviously even at both of these times

0:35:39.200 --> 0:35:41.640
<v Speaker 3>in history, you could find exceptions people who went from

0:35:41.640 --> 0:35:43.160
<v Speaker 3>one to the other. But at least there was a

0:35:43.200 --> 0:35:47.440
<v Speaker 3>wide perception among actors that you know, in the genres

0:35:47.480 --> 0:35:49.759
<v Speaker 3>that's sort of on the downslope, or at least you're

0:35:49.800 --> 0:35:51.520
<v Speaker 3>you're not getting out of that valley.

0:35:51.400 --> 0:35:53.840
<v Speaker 2>Right, especially if you were a star player, if you

0:35:53.880 --> 0:35:56.080
<v Speaker 2>were if you were a featured player, as opposed to

0:35:56.080 --> 0:35:59.000
<v Speaker 2>a character actor who maybe sometimes character actors maybe had

0:35:59.000 --> 0:36:00.799
<v Speaker 2>a little bit more of along jayvity and a little

0:36:00.840 --> 0:36:04.480
<v Speaker 2>bit more ability to move between these sorts of things.

0:36:05.320 --> 0:36:10.879
<v Speaker 2>So Trian was mostly a serious dramatic actor who's only other,

0:36:11.000 --> 0:36:14.760
<v Speaker 2>even faintly horror sci fi related credit was nineteen sixty

0:36:14.840 --> 0:36:17.600
<v Speaker 2>two's Moon Pilot. This was a Disney comedy. This was

0:36:17.680 --> 0:36:19.399
<v Speaker 2>not a serious sci fi film, so it was only

0:36:19.480 --> 0:36:23.920
<v Speaker 2>marginally sci fi. His other credits include nineteen sixties The

0:36:23.960 --> 0:36:26.160
<v Speaker 2>Story of Ruth, sixty two Is The Longest Day, and

0:36:26.280 --> 0:36:30.640
<v Speaker 2>sixty five's In Harm's Way. However, just because he only

0:36:31.000 --> 0:36:33.880
<v Speaker 2>ever acted in one horror movie doesn't mean that he

0:36:33.920 --> 0:36:37.680
<v Speaker 2>didn't have a taste for horror as a genre, because

0:36:37.719 --> 0:36:42.120
<v Speaker 2>apparently the story goes that after he experienced Rosemary's Baby

0:36:42.120 --> 0:36:44.440
<v Speaker 2>in nineteen sixty eight, I think maybe was a combination

0:36:44.480 --> 0:36:47.960
<v Speaker 2>of seeing the film and reading the book, he wrote

0:36:48.000 --> 0:36:50.719
<v Speaker 2>his own horror novel. He switched careers, he dropped out

0:36:50.719 --> 0:36:53.800
<v Speaker 2>of acting, devoted himself to writing, and he wrote nineteen

0:36:53.880 --> 0:36:58.120
<v Speaker 2>seventy one's The Other, a supernatural horror tale about identical

0:36:58.160 --> 0:37:03.200
<v Speaker 2>twins that became a best sell. He adapted it himself

0:37:03.280 --> 0:37:07.000
<v Speaker 2>to screenplay for a film the following year, and you know,

0:37:07.080 --> 0:37:10.480
<v Speaker 2>from that point on just focused on writing. He followed

0:37:10.520 --> 0:37:13.719
<v Speaker 2>that book up with seventy three's Harvest Home, which was

0:37:13.719 --> 0:37:16.839
<v Speaker 2>made into a nineteen seventy eight mini series, The Dark

0:37:16.880 --> 0:37:19.960
<v Speaker 2>Secret of Harvest Home with Betty Davis, and then the

0:37:20.080 --> 0:37:23.239
<v Speaker 2>nineteen seventy eight Billy Wilder movie Fedora, was based on

0:37:23.239 --> 0:37:26.400
<v Speaker 2>one of his short stories. He wrote six more novels,

0:37:26.440 --> 0:37:31.000
<v Speaker 2>culminating with the posthumously released Night Magic in nineteen ninety five.

0:37:33.080 --> 0:37:36.279
<v Speaker 2>So yeah, I think he's pretty great in this. You know,

0:37:36.360 --> 0:37:40.040
<v Speaker 2>whatever attitudes he had about the project, he either uses

0:37:40.080 --> 0:37:43.120
<v Speaker 2>those or you know, gets those out of the way,

0:37:43.239 --> 0:37:46.040
<v Speaker 2>because it's just, you know, a great kind of distant,

0:37:46.320 --> 0:37:50.040
<v Speaker 2>brooding performance for the most part, that also has its own,

0:37:50.120 --> 0:37:52.480
<v Speaker 2>like weird alien heart to it, as we'll discuss. Like

0:37:53.920 --> 0:37:57.160
<v Speaker 2>we reached the point in the picture where he describes

0:37:57.520 --> 0:38:00.920
<v Speaker 2>to Marge that like he doesn't know what love is,

0:38:00.960 --> 0:38:02.920
<v Speaker 2>but he's trying to learn what love is, you know,

0:38:02.960 --> 0:38:05.400
<v Speaker 2>And I don't know you can single that line out

0:38:05.400 --> 0:38:07.000
<v Speaker 2>as being a little hammy, but I thought it was

0:38:07.040 --> 0:38:09.520
<v Speaker 2>pretty pretty strong within the context of the scene.

0:38:10.080 --> 0:38:13.280
<v Speaker 3>Oh, I feel like it only sounds hammy by virtue

0:38:13.320 --> 0:38:15.799
<v Speaker 3>of appearing out of context like this, I think in

0:38:15.840 --> 0:38:17.520
<v Speaker 3>the scene it hits pretty hard.

0:38:17.600 --> 0:38:21.360
<v Speaker 2>Yeah yeah, yeah, well acted on both counts. It's a

0:38:21.360 --> 0:38:25.440
<v Speaker 2>great scene between the two of them. Yeah, all right,

0:38:25.480 --> 0:38:27.799
<v Speaker 2>So we'll have more to say about these two performances

0:38:27.880 --> 0:38:31.680
<v Speaker 2>because these are the main performances there everyone there. There

0:38:31.680 --> 0:38:35.680
<v Speaker 2>are so many supporting fifties white guys in this movie

0:38:35.960 --> 0:38:39.480
<v Speaker 2>that I'm honestly not even gonna attempt to classify them

0:38:39.520 --> 0:38:40.640
<v Speaker 2>all and credit them all.

0:38:40.960 --> 0:38:43.120
<v Speaker 3>Because he's a note about this later. He just like

0:38:43.239 --> 0:38:45.080
<v Speaker 3>cannot keep up with all of Bill's friends.

0:38:45.160 --> 0:38:47.520
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Bill has a number of friends, and you know,

0:38:47.560 --> 0:38:49.839
<v Speaker 2>they're all well acted, but they're not main characters. They're

0:38:49.880 --> 0:38:52.200
<v Speaker 2>just his buddies. And some of them are replaced by

0:38:52.239 --> 0:38:53.920
<v Speaker 2>aliens as well. Some of them are not.

0:38:54.960 --> 0:38:57.399
<v Speaker 3>Most of them, I think are replaced by aliens. Yeah,

0:38:57.640 --> 0:38:58.480
<v Speaker 3>and aren't they Yeah.

0:38:58.600 --> 0:39:00.799
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, So I'm not gonna mentioned them all. I'm just

0:39:00.840 --> 0:39:03.239
<v Speaker 2>going to mention a few of these supporting players here.

0:39:03.280 --> 0:39:06.439
<v Speaker 2>Some of them have interesting connections. First of all, there's

0:39:06.560 --> 0:39:10.080
<v Speaker 2>Officer Hank Swanson played by Peter Baldwin, who lived nineteen

0:39:10.120 --> 0:39:12.440
<v Speaker 2>thirty one through twenty seventeen. An actor of the fifties

0:39:12.440 --> 0:39:15.560
<v Speaker 2>and sixties whose credits include fifty eighth, The Space Children

0:39:15.920 --> 0:39:18.560
<v Speaker 2>and one episode of the original Outer Limits. He went

0:39:18.600 --> 0:39:21.840
<v Speaker 2>on to become a pretty prolific TV director on shows

0:39:21.880 --> 0:39:24.120
<v Speaker 2>like Newhart in The Wonder Years. I think he was

0:39:24.160 --> 0:39:26.400
<v Speaker 2>at least nominated for an Emmy for his work on

0:39:26.520 --> 0:39:30.319
<v Speaker 2>The Wonder Years. Oh okay, let's see. We also have

0:39:30.520 --> 0:39:33.960
<v Speaker 2>Doctor Wayne played by Ken Lynch, who lived nineteen ten

0:39:34.000 --> 0:39:37.840
<v Speaker 2>through nineteen ninety American character actor who often played cops

0:39:37.920 --> 0:39:40.400
<v Speaker 2>and detectives. And you can get that, you get that

0:39:40.560 --> 0:39:45.319
<v Speaker 2>energy off of this performance because I don't know, there's

0:39:45.320 --> 0:39:50.360
<v Speaker 2>something He's very authoritative, and he also ends up playing

0:39:50.760 --> 0:39:53.279
<v Speaker 2>that role. He ends up becoming more of the like

0:39:54.560 --> 0:39:57.399
<v Speaker 2>not really local law enforcement. He essentially becomes like the

0:39:57.520 --> 0:40:02.200
<v Speaker 2>vigilante leader once the people are brought around to Marge's story.

0:40:02.520 --> 0:40:05.120
<v Speaker 3>I want to talk about this later if it means anything,

0:40:05.160 --> 0:40:07.560
<v Speaker 3>And maybe it doesn't, or maybe it's not supposed to

0:40:07.600 --> 0:40:11.360
<v Speaker 3>mean anything, but like, why is it that Marge's doctor

0:40:12.120 --> 0:40:15.160
<v Speaker 3>ends up being the one trustworthy man in town?

0:40:15.400 --> 0:40:16.120
<v Speaker 2>Yeah?

0:40:16.200 --> 0:40:19.240
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, interesting.

0:40:18.880 --> 0:40:21.719
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but anyway, he's good in this. His credits also

0:40:21.760 --> 0:40:25.400
<v Speaker 2>include fifty nine's North By Northwest and Anatomy of a Murder.

0:40:26.600 --> 0:40:28.759
<v Speaker 2>All right, I'm gonna skip over a few people here,

0:40:30.200 --> 0:40:31.920
<v Speaker 2>let's see. I'm gonna and I may come back to

0:40:31.960 --> 0:40:35.000
<v Speaker 2>them later as we get through the plot. Oh but

0:40:35.080 --> 0:40:38.239
<v Speaker 2>we have a character named Helen Rhodes. She's Helen is

0:40:38.239 --> 0:40:41.040
<v Speaker 2>one of Marge's friends, and she ends up married to

0:40:41.160 --> 0:40:43.400
<v Speaker 2>one of the guys Sam.

0:40:43.600 --> 0:40:45.480
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that's the one guy whose name I know.

0:40:45.640 --> 0:40:47.920
<v Speaker 2>Okay, she ends up marrying Sam. And she's played by

0:40:48.040 --> 0:40:51.080
<v Speaker 2>Gene Carson, who lived nineteen twenty three through two thousand

0:40:51.120 --> 0:40:54.160
<v Speaker 2>and five. She appeared in the original Twilight Zone episode

0:40:54.200 --> 0:40:57.719
<v Speaker 2>A Most Unusual Camera, and she often played comedic roles

0:40:57.760 --> 0:41:01.200
<v Speaker 2>on TV. She had kind of like this kind of

0:41:01.200 --> 0:41:05.400
<v Speaker 2>this husky voice that she could like play up. For instance,

0:41:05.520 --> 0:41:08.080
<v Speaker 2>on The Andy Griffiths Show, she had a recurring role

0:41:08.120 --> 0:41:10.239
<v Speaker 2>with this character Daphney, who was one of these two

0:41:10.320 --> 0:41:12.400
<v Speaker 2>fun girls who had come to town and get Andy

0:41:12.400 --> 0:41:16.600
<v Speaker 2>into trouble. So a couple couple of blonds that were up.

0:41:16.600 --> 0:41:19.040
<v Speaker 3>To the fun girls from Mount Pilot.

0:41:19.239 --> 0:41:21.840
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, those are the Oka yeahose are them? Yeah?

0:41:22.000 --> 0:41:23.399
<v Speaker 2>I'm not to say they were up to no good.

0:41:23.480 --> 0:41:26.600
<v Speaker 2>I don't think they were necessarily criminals. But they were

0:41:26.680 --> 0:41:38.680
<v Speaker 2>fun ladies all right, going behind the camera, but also

0:41:38.800 --> 0:41:43.960
<v Speaker 2>someone in front of it too. We have he's uncredited officially,

0:41:44.040 --> 0:41:49.160
<v Speaker 2>but we have another monster suit superstar in this picture,

0:41:49.520 --> 0:41:52.120
<v Speaker 2>and that is Charles Gamora, who lived nineteen oh three

0:41:52.120 --> 0:41:54.840
<v Speaker 2>through nineteen sixty one. We've talked about him on the

0:41:54.840 --> 0:41:58.040
<v Speaker 2>show before. He was born in the Philippines, a Hollywood

0:41:58.040 --> 0:42:00.960
<v Speaker 2>makeup artist who became known is the King of the

0:42:00.960 --> 0:42:03.719
<v Speaker 2>Gorilla Men because he did a lot of gorilla costume

0:42:03.800 --> 0:42:07.360
<v Speaker 2>and monster suit work in his career, both in making

0:42:07.400 --> 0:42:09.560
<v Speaker 2>the costumes and then wearing them as well.

0:42:10.480 --> 0:42:15.080
<v Speaker 3>How many full time gorilla suit performers do you think

0:42:15.080 --> 0:42:17.360
<v Speaker 3>there were in Hollywood at any given time.

0:42:17.760 --> 0:42:20.560
<v Speaker 2>I mean, there's only going to be room for a few,

0:42:20.640 --> 0:42:23.920
<v Speaker 2>you only they're they're they're yeah, few and far between.

0:42:24.000 --> 0:42:27.000
<v Speaker 2>But even today we have some some folks who, in

0:42:27.080 --> 0:42:29.279
<v Speaker 2>their own way and with the current technology, are sort

0:42:29.280 --> 0:42:30.239
<v Speaker 2>of like the gorilla men.

0:42:31.239 --> 0:42:34.239
<v Speaker 3>But oh, like the Andy Cirkus. I'd say that.

0:42:34.400 --> 0:42:36.600
<v Speaker 2>I mean Andy Cirkus, you know, his abilities, you know,

0:42:36.640 --> 0:42:40.520
<v Speaker 2>certainly go beyond being a gorilla man. But yeah, absolutely

0:42:40.600 --> 0:42:42.440
<v Speaker 2>a gorilla man in the best sense of the word.

0:42:42.280 --> 0:42:45.040
<v Speaker 3>But a seasoned creature performer.

0:42:45.120 --> 0:42:49.920
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, so yeah. Gomora has like sixty makeup credits

0:42:49.920 --> 0:42:53.319
<v Speaker 2>on IMDb, but also sixty acting credits. Most of them

0:42:53.320 --> 0:42:57.920
<v Speaker 2>are gorillas. He designed and sculpted the excellent monster costume

0:42:57.960 --> 0:43:02.280
<v Speaker 2>in this picture and seemingly wore it. I was looking

0:43:02.280 --> 0:43:05.240
<v Speaker 2>at the book Keep Watching the Skies by film historian

0:43:05.280 --> 0:43:08.160
<v Speaker 2>Bill Warren, and he pointed out that in the original

0:43:08.239 --> 0:43:11.440
<v Speaker 2>script for I Married a Monster from Outer Space, the

0:43:11.520 --> 0:43:14.320
<v Speaker 2>alien is kind of as described as having a mask

0:43:14.440 --> 0:43:17.440
<v Speaker 2>that featured various breathing tubes running from a helmet to

0:43:17.520 --> 0:43:21.880
<v Speaker 2>the chest, so very much like a fifties helmet alien.

0:43:22.800 --> 0:43:27.200
<v Speaker 2>But in what is sometimes categorized as a miscommunication, Gemora

0:43:28.000 --> 0:43:32.040
<v Speaker 2>designed and sculpted these elements not as technology but as

0:43:32.239 --> 0:43:35.960
<v Speaker 2>organic parts of the creature's whole body. So tubes not

0:43:36.080 --> 0:43:39.080
<v Speaker 2>going from a helmet to the chest, but growing like

0:43:39.239 --> 0:43:41.720
<v Speaker 2>out of the face of the creature and then into

0:43:41.760 --> 0:43:44.960
<v Speaker 2>the torso of the creature. And the result is just

0:43:45.080 --> 0:43:48.359
<v Speaker 2>top notch. Here it looks, i mean, to my eye,

0:43:48.440 --> 0:43:51.719
<v Speaker 2>unlike anything we'd seen before, and really there's not a

0:43:51.760 --> 0:43:53.680
<v Speaker 2>lot that looks like it. You could you could make

0:43:53.719 --> 0:43:56.359
<v Speaker 2>an argument for it almost being gigorsque in a way.

0:43:56.440 --> 0:44:01.360
<v Speaker 2>Without that without like the Freudian energy of Geeker's design,

0:44:01.480 --> 0:44:04.439
<v Speaker 2>but very much in terms of just its fleshiness.

0:44:05.000 --> 0:44:07.600
<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, man, it would fit in with the themes

0:44:07.640 --> 0:44:10.440
<v Speaker 3>of the movie if the costumes were more sexually charged.

0:44:10.480 --> 0:44:13.400
<v Speaker 3>They're not really at all. But it is absolutely the

0:44:13.440 --> 0:44:18.520
<v Speaker 3>case that it looks like a mix of technology and biology.

0:44:18.840 --> 0:44:21.919
<v Speaker 3>And so yeah, we get these hoses that play into

0:44:21.960 --> 0:44:24.799
<v Speaker 3>this gross, weird ripping thing that happens at the end

0:44:24.800 --> 0:44:28.640
<v Speaker 3>with dogs, which I can't wait to talk about. But yeah,

0:44:28.920 --> 0:44:31.960
<v Speaker 3>it's like that. But also I mentioned this earlier. To me,

0:44:33.160 --> 0:44:37.560
<v Speaker 3>the way the biological elements and the helmets look is

0:44:37.760 --> 0:44:41.279
<v Speaker 3>almost as much plant as it is animal. Do you

0:44:41.320 --> 0:44:43.040
<v Speaker 3>see what I'm saying. It has a kind of bark

0:44:43.239 --> 0:44:43.880
<v Speaker 3>like texture.

0:44:44.239 --> 0:44:46.600
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it reminds one of things a little bit of

0:44:46.640 --> 0:44:49.399
<v Speaker 2>like swamp thing or man thing in that regard, very

0:44:49.560 --> 0:44:52.960
<v Speaker 2>rooty looking. And I think it's great that this works

0:44:52.960 --> 0:44:54.719
<v Speaker 2>so well in black and white because we don't get

0:44:54.719 --> 0:44:56.840
<v Speaker 2>a sense of the color, like it could be green,

0:44:56.880 --> 0:45:00.640
<v Speaker 2>it could be brown, it could be pale white, and

0:45:00.680 --> 0:45:02.680
<v Speaker 2>we don't have to fill in that blank. It takes

0:45:02.680 --> 0:45:05.760
<v Speaker 2>on this it feels it does feel kind of corpse

0:45:05.880 --> 0:45:06.719
<v Speaker 2>like in its own way.

0:45:07.840 --> 0:45:10.520
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I didn't think about that with the color, but yeah,

0:45:10.520 --> 0:45:11.719
<v Speaker 3>it's a welcome ambiguity.

0:45:11.880 --> 0:45:16.000
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, all right. One more actor note, just because his

0:45:16.080 --> 0:45:19.040
<v Speaker 2>story is a little interesting and also his name's funny.

0:45:19.480 --> 0:45:22.400
<v Speaker 2>But we have a bartender that we see and the

0:45:22.400 --> 0:45:26.160
<v Speaker 2>bartender's name is Max but been. He's played by Slapsy

0:45:26.200 --> 0:45:30.200
<v Speaker 2>Maxy Rosenbloom, who lived nineteen oh four through nineteen seventy six,

0:45:30.280 --> 0:45:33.600
<v Speaker 2>a pro boxer or former pro boxer by this point,

0:45:33.880 --> 0:45:38.080
<v Speaker 2>so nicknamed apparently because of his open gloved boxing style.

0:45:38.520 --> 0:45:40.480
<v Speaker 2>I do not know what this means, but I guess

0:45:40.560 --> 0:45:42.759
<v Speaker 2>whatever it means, it made him look like he was

0:45:42.800 --> 0:45:44.840
<v Speaker 2>slapping people when he was boxing.

0:45:45.320 --> 0:45:47.759
<v Speaker 3>Slapping instead of punching. I don't know how would that work.

0:45:47.800 --> 0:45:50.040
<v Speaker 2>I'm not sure. I put the call out to our

0:45:50.520 --> 0:45:53.480
<v Speaker 2>boxing fans out there, what is open glove boxing style?

0:45:54.280 --> 0:45:57.759
<v Speaker 2>Why would you name him Slapsy? But at any rate,

0:45:57.800 --> 0:46:00.520
<v Speaker 2>he was I guess, well thought of in and out

0:46:00.520 --> 0:46:03.200
<v Speaker 2>of boxing circles and got into acting, played a lot

0:46:03.200 --> 0:46:06.040
<v Speaker 2>of heavies and is simply essentially worked out a niche

0:46:06.040 --> 0:46:10.400
<v Speaker 2>for himself playing lovable but sometimes comedic heavies, which is

0:46:10.480 --> 0:46:12.480
<v Speaker 2>essentially what he has here. Like he's kind of a

0:46:12.520 --> 0:46:15.759
<v Speaker 2>rough looking dude, but he clearly seems to have a

0:46:15.760 --> 0:46:17.839
<v Speaker 2>heart of gold and seems like, you know, kind of

0:46:17.880 --> 0:46:18.919
<v Speaker 2>a funny, silly guy.

0:46:19.520 --> 0:46:21.640
<v Speaker 3>And in one scene he gets mad at all the

0:46:21.680 --> 0:46:23.600
<v Speaker 3>aliens because they're not drinking alcohol.

0:46:23.680 --> 0:46:25.719
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he's like, what's wrong with my liquor? You just

0:46:25.840 --> 0:46:27.319
<v Speaker 2>order it and you sit there and you don't even

0:46:27.360 --> 0:46:28.080
<v Speaker 2>talk to each other.

0:46:28.440 --> 0:46:30.600
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's our business if we want to order it

0:46:30.600 --> 0:46:33.360
<v Speaker 3>and not drink it. And then he presses the issue

0:46:33.400 --> 0:46:36.040
<v Speaker 3>and ends up punching Tom Tryan a bunch of times

0:46:36.040 --> 0:46:36.880
<v Speaker 3>and it does nothing.

0:46:37.040 --> 0:46:40.080
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and maybe that would I think maybe the idea

0:46:40.120 --> 0:46:42.719
<v Speaker 2>here is that a lot of the viewers would know

0:46:42.880 --> 0:46:45.919
<v Speaker 2>that Slapsy Maxi should be able to punch somebody really hard.

0:46:46.440 --> 0:46:47.560
<v Speaker 3>Oh okay, Yeah.

0:46:47.920 --> 0:46:50.480
<v Speaker 2>But outside of that, he also apparently ran a nineteen

0:46:50.520 --> 0:46:54.400
<v Speaker 2>forties Hollywood nightclub called you guessed it, Slapsey Maxis.

0:46:54.960 --> 0:46:57.719
<v Speaker 3>It had a drink called the Slapsy Maxi and the

0:46:57.760 --> 0:46:59.200
<v Speaker 3>sandwich called the Slapsy Maxi.

0:46:59.239 --> 0:47:02.520
<v Speaker 2>I would hope, so, I would hope, So all right.

0:47:03.320 --> 0:47:06.640
<v Speaker 2>Special photographic effects in this film came from John P. Fulton,

0:47:06.640 --> 0:47:09.480
<v Speaker 2>who lived nineteen oh two through nineteen sixty six and

0:47:09.560 --> 0:47:13.919
<v Speaker 2>those those those photographic effects are on excellent display here.

0:47:14.280 --> 0:47:16.319
<v Speaker 2>We'll talk about all the various things that they do,

0:47:16.400 --> 0:47:19.760
<v Speaker 2>from making the aliens glow to that soul stealing black mist,

0:47:21.040 --> 0:47:24.600
<v Speaker 2>really terrific stuff. Fulton was a six time Academy Award

0:47:24.640 --> 0:47:27.880
<v Speaker 2>nominee for Special Effects and won the award twice for

0:47:28.000 --> 0:47:31.320
<v Speaker 2>nineteen forty six is wonder Man and nineteen fifty seven's

0:47:31.360 --> 0:47:33.840
<v Speaker 2>The Ten Commandments, so you know, the parting of the

0:47:33.840 --> 0:47:36.480
<v Speaker 2>Red Sea, I think. In particular, he worked on a

0:47:36.560 --> 0:47:39.879
<v Speaker 2>number of the classic universal horror films, including Frankenstein Meets

0:47:39.880 --> 0:47:43.120
<v Speaker 2>the Wolfman, Bride of Frankenstein, The Visible Man, and The Mummy.

0:47:43.440 --> 0:47:46.120
<v Speaker 2>He also worked on nineteen fifty seven's Funny Face and

0:47:46.160 --> 0:47:52.040
<v Speaker 2>sixty one's Breakfast at Tiffany's. And we'll just basically skip

0:47:52.040 --> 0:47:54.360
<v Speaker 2>over the music. The music here is all stock music.

0:47:55.040 --> 0:47:58.560
<v Speaker 2>The title music is I believe credited to Van Cleeve,

0:47:58.640 --> 0:48:01.440
<v Speaker 2>who lived nineteen ten through nineteen seventy. The music is

0:48:01.480 --> 0:48:04.200
<v Speaker 2>mostly what you would expect, leaning a good bit on

0:48:04.239 --> 0:48:06.560
<v Speaker 2>the melodrama of the scenes, and there is a lot

0:48:06.600 --> 0:48:08.560
<v Speaker 2>of melodrama in here, so it plays well.

0:48:09.160 --> 0:48:11.040
<v Speaker 3>All right, are you ready to talk about the plot

0:48:11.160 --> 0:48:14.000
<v Speaker 3>let's get into it. So we open on the planet

0:48:14.040 --> 0:48:16.600
<v Speaker 3>Earth hanging in space. Someday I would like to do

0:48:16.640 --> 0:48:21.280
<v Speaker 3>a breakdown of the broad differences between sci fi films

0:48:21.320 --> 0:48:24.800
<v Speaker 3>that begin in space versus the ones that begin on Earth.

0:48:26.000 --> 0:48:28.880
<v Speaker 3>I wonder if there's anything happening there, Like what's the difference?

0:48:28.920 --> 0:48:32.640
<v Speaker 3>Like why? How does it change the film when the

0:48:32.680 --> 0:48:36.160
<v Speaker 3>first thing we see is stars and the blackness instead

0:48:36.200 --> 0:48:37.480
<v Speaker 3>of just a scene on Earth.

0:48:37.600 --> 0:48:39.839
<v Speaker 2>Yeah? I mean we can instantly think of any number

0:48:39.840 --> 0:48:42.000
<v Speaker 2>of films that begin out of space looking at Earth.

0:48:42.040 --> 0:48:43.239
<v Speaker 2>But what if they just all did?

0:48:43.760 --> 0:48:44.080
<v Speaker 3>What if?

0:48:44.680 --> 0:48:47.359
<v Speaker 2>What if? What if every movie had to begin with

0:48:47.400 --> 0:48:49.479
<v Speaker 2>this shot? What would it mean? What would it change?

0:48:49.480 --> 0:48:52.960
<v Speaker 2>How would it change things? It breakfast? Tiffany's began with

0:48:53.200 --> 0:48:54.760
<v Speaker 2>a wide shot of the planet Earth.

0:48:54.920 --> 0:48:57.520
<v Speaker 3>I don't know, Jumanji begins with the Earth and the

0:48:57.920 --> 0:49:03.840
<v Speaker 3>moon rise. Yeah. So yeah, we open on the planet

0:49:03.880 --> 0:49:06.200
<v Speaker 3>Earth and you could see like the Milky Way galaxy

0:49:06.280 --> 0:49:11.040
<v Speaker 3>spanning the background. A very classic opening, and the opening

0:49:11.160 --> 0:49:13.600
<v Speaker 3>music is also very classic for this kind of film.

0:49:13.640 --> 0:49:16.640
<v Speaker 3>It's like a cold, eerie texture that sounds like twinkling

0:49:16.719 --> 0:49:20.719
<v Speaker 3>stars and then this blast of aggressive horns. This's climbing

0:49:20.719 --> 0:49:23.920
<v Speaker 3>and climbing sounds like an alien menace is drawing closer

0:49:23.960 --> 0:49:27.280
<v Speaker 3>and closer. Then we zoom in on Earth and eventually

0:49:27.360 --> 0:49:30.400
<v Speaker 3>drop in on a town somewhere in Middle America. I

0:49:30.400 --> 0:49:33.719
<v Speaker 3>think this town is called Norrisville, so it doesn't seem

0:49:33.760 --> 0:49:34.520
<v Speaker 3>to be a real location.

0:49:34.600 --> 0:49:36.360
<v Speaker 2>Ye might as well be Normalville.

0:49:36.560 --> 0:49:41.480
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, Normalville, Americaville, USA. And so the action begins at

0:49:41.480 --> 0:49:45.640
<v Speaker 3>a lakeside drinking establishment where a group of five or

0:49:45.680 --> 0:49:50.200
<v Speaker 3>six men are meeting for a bachelor party. Extremely handsome

0:49:50.239 --> 0:49:53.279
<v Speaker 3>bachelor Bill Ferrell this is Tom Tryan is about to

0:49:53.280 --> 0:49:56.400
<v Speaker 3>get married to his sweetheart Marge. This is Gloria Talbot,

0:49:56.719 --> 0:50:00.479
<v Speaker 3>and the boys are out having a few rounds. Now.

0:50:00.760 --> 0:50:03.560
<v Speaker 3>This is not one of those movie bachelor parties with

0:50:03.600 --> 0:50:06.560
<v Speaker 3>like strippers and loud music and high energy. This is

0:50:06.600 --> 0:50:10.520
<v Speaker 3>more like a funeral for bachelorod. It is a neutral

0:50:10.560 --> 0:50:14.480
<v Speaker 3>to bad vibe. Before we meet the boys, the camera

0:50:14.760 --> 0:50:17.200
<v Speaker 3>pauses with a couple of ladies drinking at the bar

0:50:17.800 --> 0:50:19.560
<v Speaker 3>and they're like, you know, what's up with those guys

0:50:19.560 --> 0:50:21.879
<v Speaker 3>over there? You know they're handsome guys, but we keep

0:50:21.880 --> 0:50:23.880
<v Speaker 3>making eyes at them, and not one of them has

0:50:23.920 --> 0:50:26.279
<v Speaker 3>come over to buy us a drink, And so the

0:50:26.360 --> 0:50:29.480
<v Speaker 3>ladies decide maybe the guys are all married, and then

0:50:29.520 --> 0:50:31.680
<v Speaker 3>what do you know, when we get over to the table,

0:50:32.320 --> 0:50:36.720
<v Speaker 3>it is indeed just a festival of complaining, complaining about women,

0:50:37.120 --> 0:50:40.040
<v Speaker 3>complaining about married life, old battlax stuff.

0:50:40.160 --> 0:50:43.799
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, the movie frequently goes here with our male characters,

0:50:43.840 --> 0:50:46.239
<v Speaker 2>and as a twenty twenty six of youer, it does

0:50:46.280 --> 0:50:49.320
<v Speaker 2>make me wonder how much of it is just snapshot

0:50:49.400 --> 0:50:51.640
<v Speaker 2>at the times you know, this is how men talk

0:50:51.680 --> 0:50:53.919
<v Speaker 2>and we're just trying to be real, and how much

0:50:53.920 --> 0:50:56.000
<v Speaker 2>of it is a deliberate part of the texture of

0:50:56.040 --> 0:50:59.640
<v Speaker 2>the film, in which a cosmic distance exists between the

0:50:59.680 --> 0:51:01.520
<v Speaker 2>men and women of contemporary America.

0:51:01.960 --> 0:51:04.200
<v Speaker 3>I think it's got to be intentional because of the

0:51:04.200 --> 0:51:07.000
<v Speaker 3>way it plays so directly into the themes of the

0:51:07.040 --> 0:51:10.960
<v Speaker 3>film of like, you know this distance in relationships and

0:51:11.040 --> 0:51:14.879
<v Speaker 3>you know things about men and women in marriage. But yeah,

0:51:14.920 --> 0:51:17.160
<v Speaker 3>I also had the same question of just like, I

0:51:17.160 --> 0:51:19.680
<v Speaker 3>don't know how common was it back then for regular

0:51:19.719 --> 0:51:22.279
<v Speaker 3>people to actually just talk like this, just we get

0:51:22.280 --> 0:51:27.360
<v Speaker 3>together and complain about marriage, ah, women, or is that

0:51:27.600 --> 0:51:29.600
<v Speaker 3>more something that was like really played up in the

0:51:29.680 --> 0:51:32.279
<v Speaker 3>movies because it made good dialogue, or they thought it did.

0:51:32.320 --> 0:51:37.239
<v Speaker 3>I don't know anyway, one of these guys is, and

0:51:37.280 --> 0:51:39.759
<v Speaker 3>again I cannot keep all of Bill's friends sorted out.

0:51:39.800 --> 0:51:42.720
<v Speaker 3>There's a bunch of them. One of these guys calls

0:51:42.719 --> 0:51:45.239
<v Speaker 3>for a drink. He calls the waiter over and he's like,

0:51:45.560 --> 0:51:47.719
<v Speaker 3>mister Ferrell is getting married in the morning. He needs

0:51:47.760 --> 0:51:50.920
<v Speaker 3>a stiff drink. He asks for freedom on the rocks.

0:51:51.239 --> 0:51:54.360
<v Speaker 3>I didn't get it, yeah, and then oh, he just

0:51:54.520 --> 0:51:58.560
<v Speaker 3>keeps going, piling on. Another guy's like, I'm already married.

0:51:58.600 --> 0:52:02.800
<v Speaker 3>I really need a drink. And then they decide that well,

0:52:03.040 --> 0:52:06.400
<v Speaker 3>every one of them either was married, is married, or

0:52:06.480 --> 0:52:08.520
<v Speaker 3>is about to get married, so they all have to

0:52:08.520 --> 0:52:12.880
<v Speaker 3>get hammered. They have no choice, but Bill, the guy

0:52:12.920 --> 0:52:15.600
<v Speaker 3>who's getting married in the morning. Bill is actually kind

0:52:15.600 --> 0:52:17.640
<v Speaker 3>of the odd man out. He's the only one who's

0:52:17.719 --> 0:52:22.000
<v Speaker 3>not sitting here complaining about women. So he, you know,

0:52:22.080 --> 0:52:24.160
<v Speaker 3>the rest of the guys are like, we must get

0:52:24.200 --> 0:52:27.279
<v Speaker 3>miserably drunk with the he man woman haters club, and

0:52:27.360 --> 0:52:29.480
<v Speaker 3>he's like, no, I need to go see my fiance.

0:52:29.680 --> 0:52:31.920
<v Speaker 3>So he gets up and leaves. He's going to stop

0:52:31.960 --> 0:52:34.239
<v Speaker 3>by and see Marge on the way home. And then

0:52:34.280 --> 0:52:37.239
<v Speaker 3>it takes a dark turn. One of the guys makes

0:52:37.280 --> 0:52:40.800
<v Speaker 3>a joke that's kind of over the line and provides

0:52:40.840 --> 0:52:43.840
<v Speaker 3>some foreshadowing. I think the guy says he has found

0:52:43.840 --> 0:52:46.680
<v Speaker 3>the only viable way for men to avoid the pain

0:52:46.800 --> 0:52:50.480
<v Speaker 3>and struggle of matrimony, which he says is mass suicide.

0:52:51.160 --> 0:52:53.360
<v Speaker 3>And at this point the other guys stop laughing and

0:52:53.400 --> 0:52:56.920
<v Speaker 3>they just kind of look forlorn. So it's like, I

0:52:56.920 --> 0:52:59.040
<v Speaker 3>think these guys have some issues about women. I think

0:52:59.040 --> 0:53:02.359
<v Speaker 3>they do, yes, or at least all of them except Bill.

0:53:03.360 --> 0:53:06.560
<v Speaker 3>Now there's one thing I wanted to note here that

0:53:06.719 --> 0:53:08.680
<v Speaker 3>it was kind of interesting. I don't know if it's

0:53:08.680 --> 0:53:11.640
<v Speaker 3>supposed to mean something, but on the way into the bar,

0:53:12.560 --> 0:53:16.279
<v Speaker 3>we pass by a man and a woman kissing passionately,

0:53:16.320 --> 0:53:19.359
<v Speaker 3>and a convertible in the parking lot, and a guy

0:53:19.440 --> 0:53:21.800
<v Speaker 3>who's walking by the car tries to get their attention

0:53:21.960 --> 0:53:24.759
<v Speaker 3>with a loud noise, but they just ignore him. And

0:53:24.800 --> 0:53:27.120
<v Speaker 3>then later, when Bill is coming out of the place,

0:53:27.160 --> 0:53:30.320
<v Speaker 3>he passes them again and they're still kissing. He stops

0:53:30.320 --> 0:53:32.760
<v Speaker 3>and looks at them for a second, almost kind of sadly,

0:53:33.520 --> 0:53:37.040
<v Speaker 3>and then suddenly the kissing stops, and the woman slaps

0:53:37.080 --> 0:53:39.320
<v Speaker 3>the man in the face and looks at him coldly.

0:53:39.920 --> 0:53:42.279
<v Speaker 3>You don't see what provoked that reaction, but it's an

0:53:42.320 --> 0:53:45.759
<v Speaker 3>interesting detail. I think it in a subtle way, just

0:53:45.880 --> 0:53:49.880
<v Speaker 3>raises things about tension in romantic relationships, ideas of crossing

0:53:49.920 --> 0:53:53.880
<v Speaker 3>the line, or the idea that intimacy entails vulnerability and

0:53:53.920 --> 0:53:54.920
<v Speaker 3>sometimes danger.

0:53:55.320 --> 0:53:57.279
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Yeah, I mean it could be as simple as like,

0:53:57.360 --> 0:54:01.200
<v Speaker 2>oh wow, even this relationship which was going so great

0:54:01.280 --> 0:54:04.160
<v Speaker 2>and has been going great for maybe twenty minutes, has

0:54:04.200 --> 0:54:05.880
<v Speaker 2>suddenly it hit a rocky patch.

0:54:06.280 --> 0:54:10.319
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, something went wrong. Yeah. So Bill gets in his

0:54:10.400 --> 0:54:12.839
<v Speaker 3>car and drives away from this bar where he's been

0:54:12.880 --> 0:54:15.719
<v Speaker 3>drinking with his friends. It's implied that he's they've been

0:54:15.800 --> 0:54:19.440
<v Speaker 3>drinking a good bit, so I don't know. In nineteen fifties,

0:54:20.480 --> 0:54:24.239
<v Speaker 3>the car is a mid fifties American station wagon with

0:54:24.320 --> 0:54:26.960
<v Speaker 3>tail fins that feels the size and mass of an

0:54:26.960 --> 0:54:29.960
<v Speaker 3>aircraft carrier. Every time it came on screen, we were

0:54:30.000 --> 0:54:32.200
<v Speaker 3>in awe. We were like, it's the car. It's so big.

0:54:32.280 --> 0:54:34.160
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's like some sort of massive plymouth.

0:54:34.239 --> 0:54:39.080
<v Speaker 3>Right. Yeah, So Bill is driving drunk down a lakeside

0:54:39.080 --> 0:54:42.160
<v Speaker 3>country road. This is the first of many what time

0:54:42.239 --> 0:54:45.240
<v Speaker 3>is it supposed to be things The context would suggest evening,

0:54:45.280 --> 0:54:48.320
<v Speaker 3>but The scene is shot in broad daylight, and suddenly

0:54:48.360 --> 0:54:51.120
<v Speaker 3>Bill notices a man's body lying in the road, so

0:54:51.160 --> 0:54:54.600
<v Speaker 3>he slams on the brakes, stops the car, and gets out,

0:54:55.040 --> 0:54:57.080
<v Speaker 3>but then there's nobody there. He like looks in the

0:54:57.160 --> 0:54:58.479
<v Speaker 3>road and it's empty. Yeah.

0:54:58.520 --> 0:55:01.000
<v Speaker 2>Wait, at first it looks like the body's lifeless husk

0:55:01.080 --> 0:55:03.480
<v Speaker 2>of some sort. But there's not really much follow up here,

0:55:03.520 --> 0:55:04.640
<v Speaker 2>so I don't know what we were supposed to.

0:55:05.239 --> 0:55:08.239
<v Speaker 3>The car bumps the body and it moves as if

0:55:08.320 --> 0:55:10.200
<v Speaker 3>it's weightless, like hollow inside.

0:55:10.680 --> 0:55:11.640
<v Speaker 2>Maybe it was a trap.

0:55:12.040 --> 0:55:14.680
<v Speaker 3>Oh maybe. So it's like he gets out and it's

0:55:14.680 --> 0:55:17.800
<v Speaker 3>not there anymore. And then suddenly, while while Bill is

0:55:17.840 --> 0:55:23.280
<v Speaker 3>standing there, from off screen, a clawed, glowing reptilian hand

0:55:23.440 --> 0:55:27.759
<v Speaker 3>with long crooked fingers reaches out and grabs Bill by

0:55:27.800 --> 0:55:31.560
<v Speaker 3>the shoulder. He whirls around and he sees the alien.

0:55:32.400 --> 0:55:35.520
<v Speaker 3>So interesting thing about I married a monster from outer

0:55:35.600 --> 0:55:38.719
<v Speaker 3>space does not make you wait till the final reel

0:55:38.880 --> 0:55:41.200
<v Speaker 3>to see the alien in its true form. You get

0:55:41.239 --> 0:55:42.480
<v Speaker 3>to see it a few minutes in.

0:55:42.640 --> 0:55:44.759
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's really kind of surprising because the glove is great.

0:55:44.800 --> 0:55:46.759
<v Speaker 2>I love a good monster glove. But then you know

0:55:46.840 --> 0:55:49.160
<v Speaker 2>the next step generally comes a bit later where you

0:55:49.200 --> 0:55:50.840
<v Speaker 2>get to see the rest of or at least the

0:55:50.880 --> 0:55:53.000
<v Speaker 2>face of the creature. But now he turns around, he

0:55:53.080 --> 0:55:57.120
<v Speaker 2>sees it, and yeah, great, look to this creature. As

0:55:57.160 --> 0:55:59.759
<v Speaker 2>I mentioned earlier, by all accounts, this film should have

0:56:00.160 --> 0:56:03.160
<v Speaker 2>and very well could have had a generic space helmet

0:56:03.200 --> 0:56:06.880
<v Speaker 2>wearing alien, but perhaps due to a miscommunication or maybe

0:56:06.920 --> 0:56:11.600
<v Speaker 2>just pure creativity, we ended up with this fantastic organic

0:56:11.680 --> 0:56:14.040
<v Speaker 2>design that's brought to the next level via the lighting

0:56:14.040 --> 0:56:17.719
<v Speaker 2>and the special effects. The design also works especially well

0:56:17.800 --> 0:56:20.880
<v Speaker 2>later on when we'll get the special effects shots of

0:56:20.880 --> 0:56:24.959
<v Speaker 2>the actor's faces shifting to the creature's warped visage during

0:56:25.000 --> 0:56:26.040
<v Speaker 2>flashes of lightning.

0:56:26.480 --> 0:56:30.200
<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, I love that. So when Bill sees the figure,

0:56:30.560 --> 0:56:35.120
<v Speaker 3>something begins to emit, a high pitched, throbbing electronic sound.

0:56:35.200 --> 0:56:37.319
<v Speaker 3>We will hear the sound at times throughout the movie,

0:56:37.320 --> 0:56:41.759
<v Speaker 3>whenever the aliens are using their powers and Bill collapses

0:56:41.800 --> 0:56:45.080
<v Speaker 3>against the car and then a bizarre thing happens. I

0:56:45.120 --> 0:56:51.760
<v Speaker 3>love this effect. A slowly expanding, blooming cloud of dark

0:56:51.960 --> 0:56:56.640
<v Speaker 3>smoke or mist flows into the movie frame. It's like

0:56:56.680 --> 0:56:59.399
<v Speaker 3>a jet of ink expanding in a pool of water.

0:56:59.480 --> 0:57:01.719
<v Speaker 3>But it's very, very dark. Very opaque. You can't see

0:57:01.719 --> 0:57:05.840
<v Speaker 3>through it, and gradually it blots out Bill's form, and

0:57:05.880 --> 0:57:07.840
<v Speaker 3>then when it recedes, Bill is gone.

0:57:08.280 --> 0:57:11.160
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, looks amazing, Like this is one of the I'm

0:57:11.160 --> 0:57:14.960
<v Speaker 2>not a you know, I'm not opposed to great digital

0:57:14.960 --> 0:57:18.680
<v Speaker 2>effects by any means, but this is a practical effect.

0:57:18.720 --> 0:57:22.360
<v Speaker 2>Just looks amazing, And in the context of watching it,

0:57:22.360 --> 0:57:24.160
<v Speaker 2>I'm like, it just looks ahead of its time. It

0:57:24.200 --> 0:57:27.200
<v Speaker 2>looks better than anything I can compare it to digitally.

0:57:27.320 --> 0:57:33.160
<v Speaker 2>Just amazing. Yeah, dark, otherworldly cloud just creeping out.

0:57:34.040 --> 0:57:37.880
<v Speaker 3>So the next morning we meet our protagonist Marge. Marge

0:57:38.000 --> 0:57:40.520
<v Speaker 3>is at her wedding. She's wearing a white wedding dress

0:57:40.520 --> 0:57:42.880
<v Speaker 3>and a veil, staring out the window of the chapel

0:57:42.920 --> 0:57:45.240
<v Speaker 3>to see if Bill is going to arrive. He was

0:57:45.320 --> 0:57:47.120
<v Speaker 3>supposed to come and see her the night before, like

0:57:47.160 --> 0:57:49.959
<v Speaker 3>he said, but he never showed up. Andy never called

0:57:50.000 --> 0:57:53.320
<v Speaker 3>to explain, and now he's late for the wedding itself.

0:57:54.320 --> 0:57:58.200
<v Speaker 3>So Marge is obviously upset. She doesn't understand what's happening.

0:57:58.800 --> 0:58:02.720
<v Speaker 3>She pulls as his groomsmen to interrogate them. She says,

0:58:02.720 --> 0:58:05.240
<v Speaker 3>what exactly were you boys drinking last night? And two

0:58:05.240 --> 0:58:08.080
<v Speaker 3>of them answer at the same time, but give different answers.

0:58:08.080 --> 0:58:11.040
<v Speaker 3>One says wine and the other says beer. So I

0:58:11.080 --> 0:58:13.120
<v Speaker 3>think maybe it was neither wine nor beer. I think

0:58:13.520 --> 0:58:16.280
<v Speaker 3>it was a hard liquor kind of night. Yeah, And

0:58:16.360 --> 0:58:19.360
<v Speaker 3>so they try to cover for Bill, but Marge is

0:58:19.480 --> 0:58:23.560
<v Speaker 3>not impressed with their assurances, and this raises something about

0:58:23.600 --> 0:58:28.000
<v Speaker 3>Marge's personality. I'm interested in the way she's characterized. She

0:58:28.400 --> 0:58:35.000
<v Speaker 3>is not portrayed as an especially suspicious person, like. She

0:58:35.200 --> 0:58:39.160
<v Speaker 3>is portrayed as somebody who really wants to trust and

0:58:39.360 --> 0:58:42.600
<v Speaker 3>wants to see the good in her husband and make

0:58:42.640 --> 0:58:46.720
<v Speaker 3>the relationship work. She's like not looking for fault in

0:58:46.840 --> 0:58:49.800
<v Speaker 3>things or in people. And at the same time, she's

0:58:49.920 --> 0:58:53.880
<v Speaker 3>not a dummy, like, she's not gullible, and that creates

0:58:53.920 --> 0:58:57.760
<v Speaker 3>an interesting tension in her character that, like, she is

0:58:57.960 --> 0:59:00.600
<v Speaker 3>quick to pick up on when there are problems and

0:59:00.880 --> 0:59:05.000
<v Speaker 3>is sharp about observing things, but also has this emotional

0:59:05.120 --> 0:59:09.880
<v Speaker 3>desire to maybe sometimes overlook problems and make things work

0:59:09.920 --> 0:59:11.240
<v Speaker 3>out and make things all right.

0:59:11.360 --> 0:59:14.520
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but she has right to be concerned here, because again,

0:59:14.600 --> 0:59:16.400
<v Speaker 2>he is late to his own wedding at this point

0:59:16.440 --> 0:59:19.760
<v Speaker 2>and she hasn't heard from him in hours and hours.

0:59:20.400 --> 0:59:23.120
<v Speaker 3>However, Suddenly Bill comes through the door. You know, better

0:59:23.200 --> 0:59:25.960
<v Speaker 3>late than never, I guess. He comes in looking bewildered

0:59:26.120 --> 0:59:29.640
<v Speaker 3>and at a loss for words. He apologizes for being late,

0:59:29.680 --> 0:59:32.800
<v Speaker 3>and Marge rushes to kiss him. So they get married,

0:59:32.880 --> 0:59:35.440
<v Speaker 3>and then they come out of the chapel. They sprint

0:59:35.480 --> 0:59:38.240
<v Speaker 3>to the tail fin station wagon while their friends are

0:59:38.240 --> 0:59:40.720
<v Speaker 3>throwing rice. You know it was a pre bird seed era.

0:59:41.480 --> 0:59:43.280
<v Speaker 3>We're getting the rice going all over the car and

0:59:43.280 --> 0:59:45.520
<v Speaker 3>you can see it bouncing off of the hood. And

0:59:45.560 --> 0:59:48.840
<v Speaker 3>then they drive away, and for a very brief period

0:59:48.880 --> 0:59:52.480
<v Speaker 3>it seems like Marge is truly happy. They drive along

0:59:52.520 --> 0:59:55.480
<v Speaker 3>to their honeymoon destination with Bill at the wheel and

0:59:55.560 --> 0:59:58.360
<v Speaker 3>Marge is sleeping with her head on his shoulder. But

0:59:58.640 --> 1:00:01.840
<v Speaker 3>Bill does not have a peaceful expression like March does.

1:00:01.920 --> 1:00:06.280
<v Speaker 3>He's looking grim and cautious. At one point while they're driving,

1:00:06.360 --> 1:00:09.200
<v Speaker 3>Bill almost gets into a collision with another car turning

1:00:09.200 --> 1:00:12.040
<v Speaker 3>onto the highway. The other guy stops and yells at

1:00:12.080 --> 1:00:13.880
<v Speaker 3>him about how he should have had his lights on.

1:00:14.640 --> 1:00:17.040
<v Speaker 3>Marge wakes up and points out that the guy is

1:00:17.200 --> 1:00:21.840
<v Speaker 3>right the lights were off, but raises a question, how

1:00:21.880 --> 1:00:24.480
<v Speaker 3>could Bill have been driving at all without his head

1:00:24.560 --> 1:00:26.040
<v Speaker 3>lights when it's so dark outside.

1:00:26.120 --> 1:00:28.440
<v Speaker 2>Oh he has dark vision, not a human.

1:00:29.000 --> 1:00:31.800
<v Speaker 3>Another weird thing here. Bill snaps at Marge when she

1:00:31.920 --> 1:00:35.600
<v Speaker 3>mentions the lights. You know, he would never snap like

1:00:35.640 --> 1:00:38.680
<v Speaker 3>that before. It doesn't seem like the Bill she knows. Anyway.

1:00:38.840 --> 1:00:41.680
<v Speaker 3>They make their way out to the resort where they're

1:00:41.720 --> 1:00:44.000
<v Speaker 3>staying for their honeymoon. I'm not sure exactly where this

1:00:44.080 --> 1:00:46.040
<v Speaker 3>is supposed to be, but they say it's on the ocean.

1:00:46.120 --> 1:00:48.320
<v Speaker 3>It's on the sea, so it's like a hotel on

1:00:48.400 --> 1:00:51.960
<v Speaker 3>a dark waterfront with churning black waves stretching out to

1:00:52.000 --> 1:00:56.040
<v Speaker 3>the horizon. It's a very cool scene that where the

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<v Speaker 3>you know, the weather and the landscape and indicates something

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<v Speaker 3>about the relationship to Yeah, and as they settle in,

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<v Speaker 3>Marge is again trying so hard to make things work,

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<v Speaker 3>but something is off about Bill. He literally forgets her

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<v Speaker 3>and leaves her in the car when they arrive. And

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<v Speaker 3>this is an era where I think she's expecting he's

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<v Speaker 3>supposed to come around and open her door for her,

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<v Speaker 3>but he just forgets. He does not want to have

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<v Speaker 3>a drink with her at the restaurant. He has developed

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<v Speaker 3>a sudden aversion to alcohol, which he did not have before.

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<v Speaker 2>This is really telling of the time period that it's

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<v Speaker 2>a big red flag when your man is not having

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<v Speaker 2>a tumbler of hard dark spirits every night, like on

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<v Speaker 2>a weak night. It's like, something's the matter here. This

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<v Speaker 2>is not healthy.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, he did red flags for about men. He does

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<v Speaker 3>not reach for the scotch. So and then also they're

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<v Speaker 3>at the restaurant eating and he's just a cold fish.

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<v Speaker 3>He's aloof he's barely talking. Marge is repeatedly trying to

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<v Speaker 3>find things to engage him on. You can see her

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<v Speaker 3>searching for conversation topics, and he just is not picking

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<v Speaker 3>up what she's putting out.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, they've only just gotten married. They surely haven't heard

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<v Speaker 2>all of each other's stories yet, you know.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and all through this part, Bill, so there's a

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<v Speaker 3>menacing element in that he seems to have changed and

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<v Speaker 3>become cold. At the same time he is strangely innocent,

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<v Speaker 3>almost childlike. At one point, the two of them are

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<v Speaker 3>standing out on the balcony overlooking the water and there's

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<v Speaker 3>a crack of thunder in the distance, and Bill asks

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<v Speaker 3>what the sound was, and Marge tells him it was thunder,

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<v Speaker 3>and he says thunder like he's learning a new word

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<v Speaker 3>or experiencing it, Yeah, experiencing it for the first time.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, because to be clear, yeah, Bill has been replaced

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<v Speaker 2>by an alien at this point. Yeah. But it's like

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<v Speaker 2>the alien is wearing like a copy of his body,

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<v Speaker 2>but also wearing his thoughts and memories and his knowledge,

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<v Speaker 2>but not in a way where like he just has

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<v Speaker 2>instant natural access to it all. Like he's having to

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<v Speaker 2>like sort of if it's like a costume. It's like

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<v Speaker 2>he's having to like put his fingers into the glove

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<v Speaker 2>and then see how that glove moves with his hand,

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<v Speaker 2>so like he might, you know, he knows what thunder is,

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<v Speaker 2>but has he experienced it before? Has he has he

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<v Speaker 2>had had that sort of relationship to the concept, and

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<v Speaker 2>so he's having to like, really he's having to learn

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<v Speaker 2>everything in real time here.

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<v Speaker 3>And you can see him trying to fake it. He's

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<v Speaker 3>not doing a very good job, but he he gets

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<v Speaker 3>the sense that he needs to say something to assure her.

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<v Speaker 3>So he tells Marge he loves her more than anything,

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<v Speaker 3>but the words feel awkward, something doesn't work, and Marge,

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<v Speaker 3>seeming a little bit sad, goes inside. And then here's

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<v Speaker 3>the part where we first see this weird, asymmetrical inhuman

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<v Speaker 3>face superimposed over Bill's face. The lightning flashes and then

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<v Speaker 3>an animated alien layer of his face is revealed.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, looks really good, especially with that perfect hair and everything. Yeah. Again,

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<v Speaker 2>that monster's weird organic vibe just melts so well here

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<v Speaker 2>and just looks great in black and white.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, there's a there's a scene here on the Honeymoon

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<v Speaker 2>that I really loved. There's a there's the blocking in

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<v Speaker 2>particular of this one scene where Bill and Marge are

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<v Speaker 2>chatting and there's a mirror in the shot, and we

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<v Speaker 2>see reflected in the mirror the twin beds. So twin

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<v Speaker 2>beds like this were, of course to a large degree,

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<v Speaker 2>but not entirely a product of censorship of the day.

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<v Speaker 3>Though.

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<v Speaker 2>The story behind like why we see so many twin

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<v Speaker 2>beds instead of like a king or queens size bed

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<v Speaker 2>typically in like a married couple's bedroom, The actual story

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<v Speaker 2>behind it is a bit more complex, but more complicated

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<v Speaker 2>than I than I anticipated. I actually ran across a

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<v Speaker 2>book by Hillary Hines titled A Cultural History of Twin Beds,

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<v Speaker 2>and it pointed out that while media is part of

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<v Speaker 2>the situation, twin beds were actually a seemingly popular sleeping

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<v Speaker 2>arrangement for married couples between eighteen seventy and nineteen seventy

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<v Speaker 2>for a number of reasons, including consumer preference, social mores,

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<v Speaker 2>and product placement as well. But when it came to films,

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<v Speaker 2>it did become a standard. I'm going to read a

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<v Speaker 2>quote from this work. Quote. While the code referring to

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<v Speaker 2>the Hayes code here itself did not specify the need

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<v Speaker 2>for twin beds, by nineteen thirty seven the advice to

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<v Speaker 2>movie makers was unequivocal. A double bed was too explicit

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<v Speaker 2>in its sexual associations for safe presentation in films intended

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<v Speaker 2>for the general cinema going public. Only twins had the

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<v Speaker 2>necessary cultural delicacy. They had the advantage of implying marital

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<v Speaker 2>sexual intimacy without showing a bed that might have facilitated it.

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<v Speaker 3>Wow, I can't have film audiences knowing where babies come from.

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<v Speaker 2>Right even though again, especially in this film, because we're

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<v Speaker 2>about to like leap forward a year and part of

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<v Speaker 2>what we learn is like they've been trying to conceive

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<v Speaker 2>for a year, they've been having sex, and it's an

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<v Speaker 2>important part of the storyline. But yeah, you had to

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<v Speaker 2>in the words of the Hayes Code, what you had

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<v Speaker 2>to think about the sacred intimacies of modern life or

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<v Speaker 2>marital life. So in this particular scene, though I don't know,

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<v Speaker 2>I thought it played really well, at least to the

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<v Speaker 2>like the modern twenty twenty six viewer, because the twin

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<v Speaker 2>I suspect it was unintended. But it just feels kind

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<v Speaker 2>of palpable. You know that we have distance between this

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<v Speaker 2>newly pronounced man and wife, the awkwardness of implied physical

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<v Speaker 2>intimacy to follow in the symbol of those twin beds

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<v Speaker 2>in the mirror, as if illustrating the golf between them,

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<v Speaker 2>a golf that is at once between romantic partners and

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<v Speaker 2>the golf between far flung planets, between different species with

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<v Speaker 2>different evolutionary origins.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, I did not notice that the first time

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<v Speaker 3>I watched it, but I saw your note here and

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<v Speaker 3>I caught that the second time. I think that works

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<v Speaker 3>really well and it's subtle. It's like, yeah, like you said,

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<v Speaker 3>it's reflected in the mirror while they're facing each other

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<v Speaker 3>in the room.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I'm not sure how much of that is, just

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<v Speaker 2>like the modern viewer looking back on it, how much

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<v Speaker 2>of it was an intended part of the film, but

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<v Speaker 2>it may have well been very intended. Like I said,

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<v Speaker 2>it's a very well composed shot. And you know, they

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<v Speaker 2>knew what the twin beds were about. They knew why

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<v Speaker 2>they were using twin beds and films like this, and

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<v Speaker 2>there's explicitly they're expressly trying to tell a story that

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<v Speaker 2>has a major plot about human reproduction and sexual relations.

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<v Speaker 3>So after this we cut to the future. A year

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<v Speaker 3>has passed and in the transition we see Marge writing

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<v Speaker 3>a letter to her mother. She says it's been a

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<v Speaker 3>horrible first year of marriage. She is frightened and bewildered,

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<v Speaker 3>and she writes, quote, Bill isn't the man I fell

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<v Speaker 3>in love with. He's almost a stranger. There is a

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<v Speaker 3>scene where two of Bill's friends from the bachelor party

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<v Speaker 3>are drinking together at the Bar and Grill, a recurring

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<v Speaker 3>location for the rest of the film. Surprising amount of

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<v Speaker 3>this movie takes place at Bar and Grill.

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<v Speaker 2>This is where Slapsy Maxie works.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, he's the bartender there, and it's also right next

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<v Speaker 3>to a building call a store that sells church supplies

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<v Speaker 3>that just says church supplies in the window. I like

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<v Speaker 3>that detail.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's one.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, exactly. This is where you buy your wafers in bulk.

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<v Speaker 3>It's like a costco for churches. And then so we

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<v Speaker 3>join the couple of guys here in the bar, and

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<v Speaker 3>they are still complaining about women. They're still on the

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<v Speaker 3>same stuff. One of them, the guy named Sam, he

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<v Speaker 3>you know, has enough complaining and he walks out, stumbling drunk,

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<v Speaker 3>to head home. But on the way he stops to

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<v Speaker 3>puke in an alley and then he gets smoke bloomed

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<v Speaker 3>by the a lad and so they come get him.

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<v Speaker 3>And then the next time we see him he has

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<v Speaker 3>a very different vibe. In the very next scene, we

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<v Speaker 3>learn that he has suddenly proposed to his girlfriend Helen,

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<v Speaker 3>and now they're going to get married. There's also a

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<v Speaker 3>scene a little bit later where we see a police

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<v Speaker 3>officer get claimed by the smoke in the same alley.

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<v Speaker 3>I think it's making the point that slowly, one by one,

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<v Speaker 3>over the course of this year, the men of the

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<v Speaker 3>town are being replaced.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, the entire local patriarchy is being supplanted.

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<v Speaker 3>There's also a scene where Marge goes to visit her doctor,

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<v Speaker 3>doctor Wayne. Marge is concerned because, as we alluded to earlier.

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<v Speaker 3>She and Bill have been trying to have children, but

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<v Speaker 3>so far they haven't been able, and doctor Wayne gives

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<v Speaker 3>her a checkup and says he can't find any evidence

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<v Speaker 3>of a condition that would prevent her from getting pregnant,

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<v Speaker 3>so he tries to give her some confidence. He reassures her,

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<v Speaker 3>but he also suggests Bill come in for a checkup

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<v Speaker 3>as well. Now after this we get into an early

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<v Speaker 3>more menacing subplot of the movie, because for a lot

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<v Speaker 3>of the film we're really balancing this question of exactly

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<v Speaker 3>how dangerous is the alien Bill. We the audience already

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<v Speaker 3>knows he's been replaced, but we're trying to figure out

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<v Speaker 3>what is he going to do? How dangerous is he? What?

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<v Speaker 3>You know, what kind of threat does he represent? So,

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<v Speaker 3>in what comes off as a desperate attempt to inject

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<v Speaker 3>some joy into their marriage, Marge buys a dog from

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<v Speaker 3>a pet shop as an anniversary present for Bill, very

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<v Speaker 3>weird domed cage. She's carrying the dog around in She

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<v Speaker 3>like carries it up. It's this huge, almost kind of

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<v Speaker 3>dog suitcase. But when she lifts the tarp off the

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<v Speaker 3>top of the cage to show it to Bill, the

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<v Speaker 3>dog cannot stand him. It growls and snaps at him

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<v Speaker 3>on side. It's like a terminator, you know, dogs can't

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<v Speaker 3>stand him. And Bill says, maybe dogs don't like me,

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<v Speaker 3>and she says, but Bill, you've had dogs all your life.

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<v Speaker 3>And then he says, maybe I'm a little out of practice.

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<v Speaker 3>And then later in this scene he says, maybe he

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<v Speaker 3>just needs a little time to get accustomed to me.

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<v Speaker 3>Knowing the premise, you might assume this part comes off

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<v Speaker 3>as like chilling and overwhelmingly threatening, But there's a complexity

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<v Speaker 3>to Alien Bill that I really appreciate. Here. It's a

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<v Speaker 3>kind of sadness, like he hoped maybe it wouldn't be

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<v Speaker 3>this way, but he doesn't know how to fix it

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<v Speaker 3>and wishes he could.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so he tells her go put it in the basement.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and then this leads to a horrible dog murder

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<v Speaker 3>scene in the basement. I mean, the murder itself happens

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<v Speaker 3>off off screen, but yeah. Bill goes down there and

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<v Speaker 3>the dog is still snapping and growling at him, and

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<v Speaker 3>he realizes, like this can't go on, you know, there's

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<v Speaker 3>no way for him to continue with this dog in

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<v Speaker 3>the house. So he kills the dog and then he

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<v Speaker 3>tells a very implausible story to Marge to cover it up.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like the dog slipped in a puddle March and

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<v Speaker 2>is dead now No, I think he says that it's

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<v Speaker 2>collar too tied or something.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah. So later Marge and Bill are sitting on the

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<v Speaker 3>couch together and Marge brings up the top of children.

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<v Speaker 3>She reiterates how much she really wants children, and she

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<v Speaker 3>brings up how the doctor wanted to have Bill come

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<v Speaker 3>for a checkup about this, to see if that maybe something,

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<v Speaker 3>maybe something about Bill could be addressed to deal with

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<v Speaker 3>fertility issues. Bill verbally agrees to do this, but you

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<v Speaker 3>can see his frustration and even rage kind of contained

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<v Speaker 3>under the surface. Marge steps away to answer the door,

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<v Speaker 3>and when she's out of the room, Bill crushes this

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<v Speaker 3>heavy metal cigarette lighter with his hand, so it's like

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<v Speaker 3>he's he's feeling extremely frustrated with the situation, and this

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<v Speaker 3>leads into a tense and interesting scene. It's a visit

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<v Speaker 3>from Sam, the New Sam, the Alien Sam. There's one

1:12:49.680 --> 1:12:52.040
<v Speaker 3>kind of interesting wrinkle here, which is that in some

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<v Speaker 3>of these body Snatcher movies, the aliens can always recognize

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<v Speaker 3>one another on site, even if they're disguised as humans,

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<v Speaker 3>so the alien always knows another alien. In this movie,

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<v Speaker 3>it seems like the disguise works against their own kind

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<v Speaker 3>as well. So these aliens in human skin are kind

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<v Speaker 3>of wary of each other at first, like I don't

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<v Speaker 3>know if you're cool. I don't know if we can talk.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I like this detail. I wonder if the vibe

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<v Speaker 2>was borrowed from says, sort of like deep cover crime

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<v Speaker 2>or spy storytelling.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>But in any event, it works well here, and it

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<v Speaker 2>also plays well into various interpretations of the plot. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>there's a deeper identity at play here. Is this deeper

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<v Speaker 2>identity something to do with closeted sexuality? Is it akin

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<v Speaker 2>to some generally unrecognized aspect of the self concerning attitudes

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<v Speaker 2>and desires regarding the opposite sex? I mean it's all

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<v Speaker 2>open to interpretation.

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<v Speaker 3>Interesting. Yeah. Anyway, Alien Sam wants to share information with

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<v Speaker 3>Alien Bill even when they're when they're alone together in

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<v Speaker 3>the room, Sam is kind of dropping hints and Alien

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<v Speaker 3>Bill resists at first, like he's I'm not sure he

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<v Speaker 3>can trust him. They talk about alcohol. You know, I've

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<v Speaker 3>lost my taste for the stuff. I've lost my taste

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<v Speaker 3>for it too interesting, And this also brought to mind

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<v Speaker 3>don't people have fans of a theory about the thing

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<v Speaker 3>where like the thing can't consume alcohol or something?

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<v Speaker 2>You know, I haven't read that one. But the next

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<v Speaker 2>time I actually watch, is it Carpenter's the thing we're discussing?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, next time I watch where we watch it, I'll

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<v Speaker 2>have to take that with me.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know if that's correct. I'm half remembering that,

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<v Speaker 3>but anyway. At one point, the conversation shifts and Sam

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<v Speaker 3>lowers his voice and he says, did you make many

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<v Speaker 3>mistakes at first? But Bill is still kind of like

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<v Speaker 3>holding back. He pretends he doesn't know what Sam's talking about.

1:14:43.640 --> 1:14:46.439
<v Speaker 3>And Sam says humans are not too bright, their bodies

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<v Speaker 3>are frail, but they do manage to enjoy themselves. And

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<v Speaker 3>then he says they've improved the methane reservoirs in these bodies.

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<v Speaker 3>You're due to report to the ship tonight. First Bill

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<v Speaker 3>still plays dumb, but then final Sam unleashes that throbbing

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<v Speaker 3>electronic sound and shows his you know the cartoon tree face,

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<v Speaker 3>and again an interesting question about why Bill takes so

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<v Speaker 3>much convincing but once it's undeniable Sam gives the orders,

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<v Speaker 3>you've got to go to the ship tonight. So later

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<v Speaker 3>that night, once again this is a very daylight filled

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<v Speaker 3>kind of night, Marge pretends to be asleep because at

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<v Speaker 3>this point she she already knows something is wrong with Bill,

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<v Speaker 3>and she she wants to find out more. So she

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<v Speaker 3>waits until Bill leaves the house and then follows him

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<v Speaker 3>on foot in her nightgown, kind of draped awkwardly in

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<v Speaker 3>a long overcoat, and so she follows him through the

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<v Speaker 3>neighborhoods he's walking out on foot as well. At one

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<v Speaker 3>point she hears a cat screech, and then following in

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<v Speaker 3>Bill's path, she finds a dead cat in the road.

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<v Speaker 3>I didn't understand why this happened.

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<v Speaker 2>I think dogs are natural enemies of these aliens, and

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<v Speaker 2>so are cats. So it's like sleepwalker.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, he's attacked on site by cats.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, we have only Officer Cloak was on the case here.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah. So she follows Bill to a forested ravine at

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<v Speaker 3>the edge of town and watches him make his way

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<v Speaker 3>into the woods, and then eventually she sees him make

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<v Speaker 3>contact with the ship. So the alien form here somehow

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<v Speaker 3>exits Bill's body, leaving it frozen standing in this pile

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<v Speaker 3>of dead leaves, and Marge sees the alien's true form

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<v Speaker 3>glowing in the dark. It leaves to head inside the ship.

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<v Speaker 3>Then she goes over to Bill to try to get

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<v Speaker 3>his attention, but he cannot be roused. He's unresponsive with

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<v Speaker 3>eyes wide open, like he's frozen alive, and she touches

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<v Speaker 3>him and he falls over, so she screams in horror

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<v Speaker 3>and retreats to town. She ends up seeking help at

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<v Speaker 3>where else the bar and grill, you know, like hot

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<v Speaker 3>jazz music is playing inside. Everybody's drinking through the night,

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<v Speaker 3>and she goes up to the bartender and a man

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<v Speaker 3>sitting at the bar to try to get their help

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<v Speaker 3>to explain what happened there is there's one of the

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<v Speaker 3>guys sitting at the bar is this kind of creep

1:17:02.479 --> 1:17:05.479
<v Speaker 3>who has a almost kind of a here's the guy

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<v Speaker 3>who hosts Unsolved Mysteries. He has I don't know for

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<v Speaker 3>why why. He kind of reminded me of that guy,

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<v Speaker 3>but more of like a criminal vibe to him.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, it's interesting that you should mention Robert Stack. He was,

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<v Speaker 2>of course on the old Untouchables TV series of the

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<v Speaker 2>fifties and sixties, and so was this guy really playing

1:17:25.880 --> 1:17:27.519
<v Speaker 2>the creep? A guy who by the name of Steve

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<v Speaker 2>London who lived nineteen twenty nine through twenty fourteen. I

1:17:31.120 --> 1:17:32.880
<v Speaker 2>did make note of him because I was like, oh man,

1:17:32.880 --> 1:17:36.120
<v Speaker 2>this guy's good. This is this is a nice, little

1:17:36.200 --> 1:17:39.679
<v Speaker 2>creepy performance. He's like, clearly, this disturbed woman has come

1:17:39.680 --> 1:17:42.599
<v Speaker 2>into the bar and he's trying to pick her up. Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>so we'll see more from him. His is a small

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<v Speaker 2>role but has a weird character art to it.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, he presents a parallel threat, you know. It's a

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<v Speaker 3>different kind of Yeah, it's interesting. So the men here

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<v Speaker 3>at the bar do not take her story serious. They

1:18:00.439 --> 1:18:02.519
<v Speaker 3>do not listen to her, and they do not offer

1:18:02.640 --> 1:18:05.120
<v Speaker 3>genuine help. I mean, they pay attention to her, but

1:18:05.120 --> 1:18:07.880
<v Speaker 3>it's the wrong kind of attention. The creep at the

1:18:07.920 --> 1:18:12.000
<v Speaker 3>bar is reacting to her only as a potential sexual partner,

1:18:12.000 --> 1:18:13.599
<v Speaker 3>so he tries to buy her a drink and hit

1:18:13.720 --> 1:18:17.000
<v Speaker 3>on her. And it's interesting that these men are not

1:18:17.240 --> 1:18:19.960
<v Speaker 3>aliens yet as far as we know, but they also

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<v Speaker 3>cannot be relied on. So the next scene, she decides

1:18:25.680 --> 1:18:28.240
<v Speaker 3>she needs somebody who can help her, so she goes

1:18:28.280 --> 1:18:30.759
<v Speaker 3>to see her godfather, who happens to be the local

1:18:30.800 --> 1:18:35.200
<v Speaker 3>police chief, Chief Collins. He is not dismissive like the

1:18:35.200 --> 1:18:37.800
<v Speaker 3>men at the bar. He's dismissive in a different way.

1:18:38.320 --> 1:18:40.639
<v Speaker 3>He has a kindly manner and he tries to put

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<v Speaker 3>her fierce to rest. He listens and then he tells her, well,

1:18:44.520 --> 1:18:46.400
<v Speaker 3>you know, I believe maybe you saw something, but it

1:18:46.439 --> 1:18:50.360
<v Speaker 3>was probably caused by hysteria. But just in case she's right,

1:18:50.439 --> 1:18:53.960
<v Speaker 3>he promises he'll look into it. And then after she leaves,

1:18:54.040 --> 1:18:56.400
<v Speaker 3>the Chief turns to face the window and with the

1:18:56.479 --> 1:18:59.240
<v Speaker 3>lightning flashes, we see, uh, oh, he's got that root

1:18:59.240 --> 1:19:02.000
<v Speaker 3>ball face as well. Well he's got the alien face.

1:19:02.040 --> 1:19:06.519
<v Speaker 3>So he's already been gotten. And so finally Marge really

1:19:06.560 --> 1:19:09.120
<v Speaker 3>has no choice but to go home to Bill. She

1:19:09.200 --> 1:19:12.439
<v Speaker 3>has made bids for help in these different locations and

1:19:12.640 --> 1:19:16.120
<v Speaker 3>just nothing went anywhere. So she goes back home to Bill.

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<v Speaker 3>When she gets there, he's sitting in the dark in

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<v Speaker 3>a chair in the living room waiting for her, and

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<v Speaker 3>together they go up to bed and it's just this

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<v Speaker 3>kind of sad, menacing scene where there's like she doesn't

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<v Speaker 3>know what else to do except to go home.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, just continue to just go through the sugar d here.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>After this, at some point there is an there's a

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<v Speaker 3>wedding rehearsal scene Helen and Sam are getting married. Of course,

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<v Speaker 3>remember Sam is alien Sam now, but Helen is getting

1:19:53.200 --> 1:19:57.719
<v Speaker 3>married to him. Marge at the wedding rehearsal pulls Helen

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<v Speaker 3>aside after the runthrough, and she herries to convince Helen

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<v Speaker 3>not to marry Sam, though she has a very hard

1:20:03.920 --> 1:20:07.439
<v Speaker 3>time explaining why she shouldn't. She's saying, like, it may

1:20:07.479 --> 1:20:09.760
<v Speaker 3>not be true of Sam, I just don't know. But

1:20:09.880 --> 1:20:12.400
<v Speaker 3>Helen's like, what is it? What are you trying to say?

1:20:12.760 --> 1:20:15.920
<v Speaker 3>And Helen is obviously not very happy to be hearing

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<v Speaker 3>whatever this is. And she's trying to explain to Helen,

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<v Speaker 3>but she doesn't get a chance. Bill comes in and

1:20:21.960 --> 1:20:26.280
<v Speaker 3>interrupts them, and there's no opportunity to explain. She never

1:20:26.600 --> 1:20:29.280
<v Speaker 3>gets a chance in the film to compare notes with

1:20:29.320 --> 1:20:33.360
<v Speaker 3>another woman, Like she has a few female friends, but

1:20:33.960 --> 1:20:37.479
<v Speaker 3>she doesn't really she's not given an opportunity to like

1:20:37.720 --> 1:20:41.680
<v Speaker 3>have a deep and private interaction with them. You know,

1:20:41.760 --> 1:20:45.240
<v Speaker 3>they can have brief, shallow interactions that are kind of

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<v Speaker 3>like interrupted and managed by the men around them.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, and going back to you know, what we

1:20:50.640 --> 1:20:53.280
<v Speaker 2>said earlier about the scene at the bar, it's like

1:20:53.560 --> 1:20:56.720
<v Speaker 2>we're increasingly in a situation where it's clear that, like

1:20:58.120 --> 1:21:00.880
<v Speaker 2>pretty if you haven't been replaced by an alien being

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<v Speaker 2>at this point, then you're probably just a local creep

1:21:03.240 --> 1:21:04.960
<v Speaker 2>who is never going to be able to help you anyway,

1:21:05.040 --> 1:21:08.760
<v Speaker 2>or you're just completely indifferent. So it's definitely not a

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<v Speaker 2>scenario where it's like, oh, all the men have been

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<v Speaker 2>replaced and now all the men are suspicious or no help.

1:21:15.680 --> 1:21:18.240
<v Speaker 2>And I think that was certainly the better choice here,

1:21:18.640 --> 1:21:22.040
<v Speaker 2>because there's probably you know, another on another shelf of

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<v Speaker 2>the library of Babel, there's a version of this film

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<v Speaker 2>where the aliens just replaced all the men in town

1:21:26.880 --> 1:21:28.320
<v Speaker 2>and it would be less interesting.

1:21:28.360 --> 1:21:30.760
<v Speaker 3>I think I agree with that. I think it is

1:21:30.800 --> 1:21:34.080
<v Speaker 3>more interesting and kind of says more in that we

1:21:34.080 --> 1:21:37.639
<v Speaker 3>were getting this mix of different kinds of threats from men,

1:21:37.760 --> 1:21:42.160
<v Speaker 3>you know, and some are quite mundane. And then so

1:21:43.000 --> 1:21:45.439
<v Speaker 3>there's this later scene between Bill and Marge at home.

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<v Speaker 3>This is one of these scenes where Marge points the

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<v Speaker 3>Bill has not touched his drink and he's like, I

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<v Speaker 3>told you I have an allergy to alcohol.

1:21:53.040 --> 1:21:57.000
<v Speaker 2>Now I don't go to the doctor ever, but assure

1:21:57.160 --> 1:21:58.839
<v Speaker 2>let me assure you, I have an allergy.

1:21:59.320 --> 1:22:05.680
<v Speaker 3>Yeah. And then Bill starts confronting Marge about her behavior

1:22:05.840 --> 1:22:09.840
<v Speaker 3>and about her being weird. He's saying, what's wrong, he says,

1:22:09.920 --> 1:22:13.479
<v Speaker 3>in the last year, you've changed. He says that to her,

1:22:13.960 --> 1:22:16.360
<v Speaker 3>which I think is a great I think this term

1:22:16.479 --> 1:22:18.120
<v Speaker 3>was not in wide use of the time, but a

1:22:18.120 --> 1:22:21.080
<v Speaker 3>great use of gas lighting here. He's trying to make

1:22:21.120 --> 1:22:23.960
<v Speaker 3>her feel like, no, she's the one who's acting weird. Yeah.

1:22:24.040 --> 1:22:26.240
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I'm gonna accuse you of the thing I've been doing.

1:22:26.720 --> 1:22:30.000
<v Speaker 3>Yeah. So she goes up to bed, but then Bill

1:22:30.120 --> 1:22:34.360
<v Speaker 3>watches out the window and outside the house there's the

1:22:34.400 --> 1:22:36.680
<v Speaker 3>creep from the bar, the guy who reminded me of

1:22:36.760 --> 1:22:41.280
<v Speaker 3>Robert Stack. He's like lurking outside the house on the street.

1:22:41.760 --> 1:22:44.879
<v Speaker 3>We learn that he has been trying to follow Marge

1:22:44.920 --> 1:22:47.920
<v Speaker 3>because he thinks her marriage is on the rocks and

1:22:47.960 --> 1:22:49.920
<v Speaker 3>he thinks he can swoop in and pick her up.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. But it's also interesting, isn't it that he's he's

1:22:53.439 --> 1:22:56.000
<v Speaker 2>not really positioned this way, but he in many ways

1:22:56.080 --> 1:23:01.000
<v Speaker 2>is also that outsider who I don't know, Like he's

1:23:01.000 --> 1:23:02.040
<v Speaker 2>not here to save the day.

1:23:02.560 --> 1:23:06.040
<v Speaker 3>But he in terms of plot structure, this character would

1:23:06.120 --> 1:23:09.439
<v Speaker 3>be like that, Yeah, but he's not trying to be helpful.

1:23:09.520 --> 1:23:13.080
<v Speaker 3>He's he is a different kind of predator Bill. Here

1:23:13.240 --> 1:23:16.280
<v Speaker 3>he uses his alien powers to summon the alien friends,

1:23:16.360 --> 1:23:19.360
<v Speaker 3>the ones in the police bodies. They arrive on scene,

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<v Speaker 3>they confront the bar and grill guy and they kill him.

1:23:22.160 --> 1:23:23.160
<v Speaker 3>They kill him.

1:23:23.000 --> 1:23:26.519
<v Speaker 2>There, brutally shoot him in cold blood, just go down

1:23:26.520 --> 1:23:30.160
<v Speaker 2>in the street. And then inside Mark is like, I've

1:23:30.200 --> 1:23:33.479
<v Speaker 2>heard something, and Bill's like, don't worry, it's just police

1:23:33.520 --> 1:23:37.400
<v Speaker 2>firing their guns in our neighborhood. Nothing to be concerned about.

1:23:37.920 --> 1:23:41.439
<v Speaker 3>Yah, I mean, it's a chilling scene actually what he

1:23:41.520 --> 1:23:44.439
<v Speaker 3>tells her. He says it's a car backfiring, and she's like,

1:23:44.560 --> 1:23:48.639
<v Speaker 3>oh wow. Yeah. So anyway, we go to another scene

1:23:48.640 --> 1:23:50.640
<v Speaker 3>at the bar. We're starting to see, i think, just

1:23:50.840 --> 1:23:58.479
<v Speaker 3>more scenes of the aliens being directly violent and dangerous. So, uh,

1:23:58.720 --> 1:24:01.320
<v Speaker 3>there's a scene at the bar where where Bill gets

1:24:01.360 --> 1:24:04.400
<v Speaker 3>frustrated where with the way Marge is reacting to him.

1:24:04.479 --> 1:24:06.800
<v Speaker 3>He goes out to the bar and grill and he

1:24:06.880 --> 1:24:09.599
<v Speaker 3>goes drinking with Sam and one of the other guy friends,

1:24:09.760 --> 1:24:13.559
<v Speaker 3>which is funny because they're all body snatched, but they're

1:24:13.640 --> 1:24:17.439
<v Speaker 3>still doing the same. They're still getting together at a

1:24:17.479 --> 1:24:21.160
<v Speaker 3>bar and complaining about their marriages and avoiding their wives.

1:24:21.360 --> 1:24:23.439
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and I think that that is one of the

1:24:23.840 --> 1:24:28.080
<v Speaker 2>wonderful textures of the film, is that the men who

1:24:28.080 --> 1:24:30.400
<v Speaker 2>have been replaced by aliens are still doing things that

1:24:30.479 --> 1:24:34.720
<v Speaker 2>men do. And that's clearly part of the statement that

1:24:34.800 --> 1:24:35.559
<v Speaker 2>is trying to make here.

1:24:36.160 --> 1:24:38.519
<v Speaker 3>There's some plot explanation in the scene as well, like

1:24:38.560 --> 1:24:41.080
<v Speaker 3>when they think nobody's around to hear them, they talk

1:24:41.120 --> 1:24:45.320
<v Speaker 3>about their plan. One of them says that their scientists

1:24:45.320 --> 1:24:48.200
<v Speaker 3>are still trying to find a way to make reproduction

1:24:48.320 --> 1:24:51.639
<v Speaker 3>with human women possible. They're very close. Soon they'll find

1:24:51.680 --> 1:24:54.280
<v Speaker 3>a way to make the germ cells compatible. So it's

1:24:54.320 --> 1:24:57.000
<v Speaker 3>almost time. And this is the scene where we get

1:24:57.000 --> 1:24:59.360
<v Speaker 3>the bartender Slapsey coming over to be like, what's the

1:24:59.360 --> 1:25:03.040
<v Speaker 3>matter with my liquor? At one point he starts insulting

1:25:03.080 --> 1:25:04.640
<v Speaker 3>the guys, and one of the I wrote down a

1:25:04.640 --> 1:25:06.760
<v Speaker 3>line he said. He says, you're like a bunch of

1:25:06.800 --> 1:25:11.639
<v Speaker 3>ghouls waiting for a corpse to ripen. Whoa nice But this, yeah,

1:25:11.720 --> 1:25:14.160
<v Speaker 3>this is a scene where he starts punching Bill, and

1:25:14.160 --> 1:25:17.040
<v Speaker 3>Bill just stands there, absorbing the blows and doing nothing,

1:25:17.080 --> 1:25:20.800
<v Speaker 3>and the bartender is quite freaked out by this. And

1:25:20.840 --> 1:25:23.800
<v Speaker 3>then the scene right after this is another frightening scene.

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<v Speaker 3>It's the death of Francine, the woman who hangs out

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<v Speaker 3>at the bar. There's implication, it's never stated explicitly, but

1:25:30.760 --> 1:25:33.280
<v Speaker 3>implication that she's a sex worker. She hangs out at

1:25:33.320 --> 1:25:36.960
<v Speaker 3>the bart flirting with men, and she leaves the bar

1:25:37.040 --> 1:25:40.879
<v Speaker 3>alone after the music stops and sees a man standing

1:25:40.880 --> 1:25:44.760
<v Speaker 3>across the street looking into a shop window. She approaches

1:25:44.800 --> 1:25:48.400
<v Speaker 3>the man, tries to flirt with him, and then the

1:25:48.439 --> 1:25:52.240
<v Speaker 3>scene takes this weird, eerie turn. She looks in the

1:25:52.240 --> 1:25:55.920
<v Speaker 3>shop window and the man is looking at dolls, and

1:25:56.120 --> 1:25:58.439
<v Speaker 3>she says, I'm crazy about dolls. Would you like to

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<v Speaker 3>buy me a doll? And then the electronic worrying noise

1:26:02.280 --> 1:26:05.320
<v Speaker 3>starts up and the man doesn't reply, and she gets

1:26:05.320 --> 1:26:07.680
<v Speaker 3>angry because he won't say anything, and she says, if

1:26:07.680 --> 1:26:09.600
<v Speaker 3>you was a gentleman, you'd at least speak to me.

1:26:10.160 --> 1:26:12.960
<v Speaker 3>But then she sees his face and she screams and

1:26:13.040 --> 1:26:16.280
<v Speaker 3>runs and he turns and he blasts her with some

1:26:16.360 --> 1:26:19.679
<v Speaker 3>kind of laser that we have we seen the aliens

1:26:19.760 --> 1:26:20.599
<v Speaker 3>use it up to this point.

1:26:20.600 --> 1:26:23.000
<v Speaker 2>I don't think maybe the first the first place where

1:26:23.000 --> 1:26:24.720
<v Speaker 2>we see it that the effect here is great. It

1:26:24.720 --> 1:26:29.479
<v Speaker 2>doesn't turn vaporizes her and it looks super super cool,

1:26:29.600 --> 1:26:30.080
<v Speaker 2>very clean.

1:26:30.640 --> 1:26:34.760
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and scary. I thought this is a scary scene. Yeah, yeah,

1:26:34.800 --> 1:26:37.200
<v Speaker 3>along with the scene with the creep earlier, like the

1:26:37.240 --> 1:26:40.720
<v Speaker 3>way the aliens are killing people is frightening. Yeah.

1:26:40.720 --> 1:26:42.320
<v Speaker 2>I mean you can go back and forth about the

1:26:42.439 --> 1:26:45.559
<v Speaker 2>implied morality of a film like this regarding a character

1:26:45.680 --> 1:26:49.800
<v Speaker 2>like this, but like, she did nothing to deserve, no,

1:26:50.560 --> 1:26:52.520
<v Speaker 2>to be vaporized on the city street.

1:26:52.280 --> 1:26:56.000
<v Speaker 3>Here, totally. No, I mean, she's just a victim who

1:26:56.040 --> 1:26:58.680
<v Speaker 3>I think the what she got in trouble because she

1:26:58.760 --> 1:27:01.320
<v Speaker 3>saw the alien's face and so like she knew, so

1:27:01.360 --> 1:27:06.320
<v Speaker 3>they couldn't let her live. So let's see, after this

1:27:06.400 --> 1:27:09.360
<v Speaker 3>we get the death by oxygen scene. That's kind of

1:27:09.400 --> 1:27:12.800
<v Speaker 3>weird thing and one of the more awkward things in

1:27:12.840 --> 1:27:15.360
<v Speaker 3>this movie, I think is right in the middle of

1:27:15.720 --> 1:27:19.639
<v Speaker 3>scenes that are working really well as horror and relationship drama,

1:27:20.120 --> 1:27:24.839
<v Speaker 3>you get some more kind of hard science fiction content

1:27:25.000 --> 1:27:28.400
<v Speaker 3>insurged in that's a little bit goofier, And this is

1:27:28.439 --> 1:27:30.479
<v Speaker 3>one of those scenes I think I didn't mean to

1:27:30.520 --> 1:27:34.879
<v Speaker 3>say hard science fiction, like highly scientifically accurate, but just

1:27:34.000 --> 1:27:39.080
<v Speaker 3>dealing with the science fiction premises as physical realities. Some

1:27:39.120 --> 1:27:42.040
<v Speaker 3>of those are some of the weirdest and most awkward

1:27:42.120 --> 1:27:45.799
<v Speaker 3>parts of the movie. So, like, all of the married

1:27:45.840 --> 1:27:47.519
<v Speaker 3>couples are out for a day at the lake. They're

1:27:47.560 --> 1:27:50.800
<v Speaker 3>hanging out having a picnic. Sam and Helen are on

1:27:51.320 --> 1:27:53.679
<v Speaker 3>They're out in the lake and in a row boat

1:27:53.760 --> 1:27:56.639
<v Speaker 3>and Sam falls into the water. They pull him out

1:27:56.640 --> 1:27:59.400
<v Speaker 3>of the water, and then doctor Wayne happens to be there,

1:27:59.439 --> 1:28:01.679
<v Speaker 3>and I was really confused. I was like, wait, isn't

1:28:01.760 --> 1:28:05.599
<v Speaker 3>he marches obg y N. But I think maybe it's

1:28:05.720 --> 1:28:08.400
<v Speaker 3>just like it's a small town and doctor he's the

1:28:08.400 --> 1:28:11.679
<v Speaker 3>general doctor. He does everything. Okay, Yeah, So doctor Wayne

1:28:11.720 --> 1:28:15.000
<v Speaker 3>is there and he's got a he's got a giant

1:28:15.080 --> 1:28:19.360
<v Speaker 3>oxygen tank and a face mask. Uh. And that's weird

1:28:19.439 --> 1:28:21.120
<v Speaker 3>enough on it. Why does he have a suitcase full

1:28:21.120 --> 1:28:25.960
<v Speaker 3>of oxygen tanks? But he gives Sam some oxygen after

1:28:26.000 --> 1:28:29.200
<v Speaker 3>he's been pulled out of the water, and for some reason,

1:28:29.280 --> 1:28:32.519
<v Speaker 3>when they give him oxygen, he dies. So the doctor says,

1:28:32.560 --> 1:28:34.280
<v Speaker 3>you know, he was alive when we pulled him out.

1:28:34.320 --> 1:28:37.320
<v Speaker 3>I'd say it was the oxygen that killed him, And we.

1:28:37.479 --> 1:28:41.000
<v Speaker 2>The viewer know from earlier that apparently these these creatures

1:28:42.280 --> 1:28:44.880
<v Speaker 2>depend on methane and they have to have methane reserve

1:28:45.080 --> 1:28:46.160
<v Speaker 2>reserves in their body.

1:28:46.640 --> 1:28:49.720
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, so the aliens are vulnerable to oxygen. Uh, and

1:28:49.720 --> 1:28:53.519
<v Speaker 3>they have to keep these internal tanks to breathe. So

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<v Speaker 3>there is a part in the middle of the movie

1:28:55.320 --> 1:28:58.880
<v Speaker 3>where we see Marge making other attempts to try to

1:28:58.880 --> 1:29:01.479
<v Speaker 3>fix the situation. He's resourceful. She comes up with a

1:29:01.520 --> 1:29:04.280
<v Speaker 3>lot of ideas. She tries to call Washington d C.

1:29:04.560 --> 1:29:06.559
<v Speaker 3>I don't know if I don't know who she was

1:29:06.560 --> 1:29:08.360
<v Speaker 3>trying to call, like put me through to the President,

1:29:08.520 --> 1:29:11.800
<v Speaker 3>but she learns from the operator that all the lines

1:29:11.840 --> 1:29:15.680
<v Speaker 3>to Washington are out. She tries to send a telegram,

1:29:15.760 --> 1:29:17.920
<v Speaker 3>but the guy at the Western Union office takes her

1:29:17.960 --> 1:29:20.920
<v Speaker 3>telegram and then rips it up. When she leaves, she

1:29:20.960 --> 1:29:23.240
<v Speaker 3>tries to drive out of town, but the roads are

1:29:23.280 --> 1:29:26.240
<v Speaker 3>closed and she gets turned back. Almost like the Truman Show,

1:29:26.400 --> 1:29:30.759
<v Speaker 3>she just can't leave. Finally, we get to a scene

1:29:30.800 --> 1:29:33.840
<v Speaker 3>that is I think the heart of the film, the

1:29:33.840 --> 1:29:37.519
<v Speaker 3>scene where she confronts Bill in the living room. So

1:29:37.560 --> 1:29:39.479
<v Speaker 3>she comes home and they meet each other in this

1:29:39.600 --> 1:29:43.400
<v Speaker 3>dark room, and she tells him that she knows. Bill says,

1:29:43.400 --> 1:29:46.679
<v Speaker 3>how about some light? And Marge says, you don't need

1:29:46.720 --> 1:29:50.680
<v Speaker 3>any and Bill says, don't be too sure, and then

1:29:50.720 --> 1:29:53.040
<v Speaker 3>he asks her what she knows, and she says, I

1:29:53.080 --> 1:29:56.200
<v Speaker 3>know you're not Bill. You're some thing that crept into

1:29:56.240 --> 1:29:59.559
<v Speaker 3>Bill's body, something that can't even breathe the same air

1:29:59.640 --> 1:30:02.880
<v Speaker 3>we do. Bill says, aren't you afraid to be telling

1:30:02.920 --> 1:30:06.519
<v Speaker 3>me this? And she says yes. Does frightening women make

1:30:06.560 --> 1:30:10.640
<v Speaker 3>you proud? Or is pride something monsters don't understand? And

1:30:10.680 --> 1:30:14.200
<v Speaker 3>Bill says, we understand pride, but we can't afford it.

1:30:14.960 --> 1:30:18.479
<v Speaker 3>So he's being open now he's admitting it. He levels

1:30:18.520 --> 1:30:21.160
<v Speaker 3>with her and he explains the alien's backstory. I'm going

1:30:21.240 --> 1:30:23.880
<v Speaker 3>to read from what he says. Quote. We came from

1:30:23.880 --> 1:30:27.960
<v Speaker 3>a planet in the Andromeda constellation. Our son became unstable,

1:30:28.120 --> 1:30:30.920
<v Speaker 3>so we built some spaceships enough to carry all our

1:30:30.960 --> 1:30:34.559
<v Speaker 3>people safely away before our sun exploded. But it took

1:30:34.640 --> 1:30:37.320
<v Speaker 3>time to build those ships, and in that time, as

1:30:37.360 --> 1:30:41.400
<v Speaker 3>our son's rays became more intense, our women died, so

1:30:41.520 --> 1:30:45.800
<v Speaker 3>they were doomed to extinction until they found Earth. And

1:30:46.240 --> 1:30:48.880
<v Speaker 3>he says you have no idea how rare life is

1:30:48.960 --> 1:30:53.120
<v Speaker 3>in those cold, countless miles of space. So I feel

1:30:53.160 --> 1:30:55.639
<v Speaker 3>like we also might get the idea that this creature

1:30:55.840 --> 1:30:58.799
<v Speaker 3>could be ancient. Who knows how long he's been alive.

1:30:58.960 --> 1:31:00.120
<v Speaker 3>They don't specify that.

1:31:00.760 --> 1:31:04.400
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, And I love that line about because essentially

1:31:04.479 --> 1:31:07.040
<v Speaker 2>she's like, why us, you know, were not somewhere else,

1:31:07.400 --> 1:31:09.439
<v Speaker 2>And he's like, yeah, you have no idea how rare

1:31:09.520 --> 1:31:12.519
<v Speaker 2>life is, Like it's imp heavily imply we did not

1:31:12.600 --> 1:31:15.120
<v Speaker 2>have a choice. You were maybe all we found.

1:31:15.479 --> 1:31:17.639
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, we didn't pick you. You were the only ones.

1:31:19.240 --> 1:31:23.080
<v Speaker 3>And then there's another There's several more really interesting exchanges.

1:31:23.520 --> 1:31:26.679
<v Speaker 3>Marge says, did you love your women before they died?

1:31:27.120 --> 1:31:30.559
<v Speaker 3>And Bill says no. Their species did not have love

1:31:30.600 --> 1:31:34.559
<v Speaker 3>between the sexes. They came together briefly for breeding purposes only.

1:31:35.240 --> 1:31:39.599
<v Speaker 3>But now here something is different. Bill says, quote something

1:31:39.640 --> 1:31:43.320
<v Speaker 3>happened that we hadn't foreseen. Along with these bodies, we

1:31:43.360 --> 1:31:48.920
<v Speaker 3>inherited other things as well, human desires, emotions, And Marge says,

1:31:48.960 --> 1:31:51.800
<v Speaker 3>are you telling me you're learning how to love? And

1:31:51.840 --> 1:31:54.880
<v Speaker 3>Bill says, I'm telling you I'm learning what love is.

1:31:56.320 --> 1:32:01.879
<v Speaker 3>So it's an interesting complication. It doesn't make the aliens friendly,

1:32:01.960 --> 1:32:05.360
<v Speaker 3>because what they're doing is still evil and horrible. But

1:32:05.479 --> 1:32:09.800
<v Speaker 3>the aliens do not have they don't have the kind

1:32:09.800 --> 1:32:13.840
<v Speaker 3>of intentional hate or maliciousness you see in some aliens

1:32:13.880 --> 1:32:17.639
<v Speaker 3>from movies in the fifties. In their own way, they

1:32:17.680 --> 1:32:22.840
<v Speaker 3>are trying to understand the emotional dimensions of marriage, but

1:32:23.280 --> 1:32:26.720
<v Speaker 3>in a way that is wrong because it's an asymmetrical way,

1:32:27.000 --> 1:32:29.800
<v Speaker 3>like it can never work because it exists within the

1:32:29.840 --> 1:32:34.200
<v Speaker 3>context of a deception. They're not trying to be cruel,

1:32:34.439 --> 1:32:38.160
<v Speaker 3>but they are nevertheless cruel. They're acting in a predatory

1:32:38.200 --> 1:32:41.200
<v Speaker 3>way toward both the men and women of Earth. They're

1:32:41.200 --> 1:32:44.519
<v Speaker 3>trying to dominate and control the bodies of both sexes

1:32:44.960 --> 1:32:49.439
<v Speaker 3>without their consent, by stealing men's identities and eventually by

1:32:49.520 --> 1:32:53.559
<v Speaker 3>deceiving women into procreating with them. And this leads into

1:32:53.560 --> 1:32:57.360
<v Speaker 3>the exchange where Marge says, your race has no women,

1:32:57.479 --> 1:33:00.799
<v Speaker 3>it can't have children, it will die out, and Bill says,

1:33:00.920 --> 1:33:05.000
<v Speaker 3>eventually we'll have children with you. Marge says, what kind

1:33:05.040 --> 1:33:11.600
<v Speaker 3>of children? And Bill says, our kind. So deeply frightening, disturbing,

1:33:11.640 --> 1:33:14.240
<v Speaker 3>but interesting scene. And I think this comes back to

1:33:14.920 --> 1:33:16.439
<v Speaker 3>one of the issues I brought up at the beginning

1:33:16.479 --> 1:33:20.760
<v Speaker 3>of the episode, how it indirectly highlights issues about like

1:33:20.840 --> 1:33:24.720
<v Speaker 3>bodily autonomy and reproductive rights, like the horror of the

1:33:24.760 --> 1:33:28.439
<v Speaker 3>idea that the women in this in this story wouldn't

1:33:28.520 --> 1:33:31.599
<v Speaker 3>ultimately have a say and when and how they have children,

1:33:32.040 --> 1:33:35.280
<v Speaker 3>as well as bringing up ideas about how love can't

1:33:35.400 --> 1:33:38.680
<v Speaker 3>really exist within a lie, even if the liar is

1:33:38.800 --> 1:33:40.719
<v Speaker 3>trying to love in their own way.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, it is. It's just yeah, it's so well composed.

1:33:45.120 --> 1:33:47.400
<v Speaker 2>And again, this is this is something when i'd seen

1:33:47.439 --> 1:33:49.600
<v Speaker 2>the film previously, I just I didn't really pick up on.

1:33:50.160 --> 1:33:51.920
<v Speaker 2>You know, it's probably just what maybe even headed on

1:33:52.000 --> 1:33:54.240
<v Speaker 2>in the background. It was mostly focusing on the monsters.

1:33:54.240 --> 1:33:57.720
<v Speaker 2>But the human story here is so well composed.

1:33:58.320 --> 1:34:01.679
<v Speaker 3>And then while we're on the subject of how those

1:34:01.720 --> 1:34:04.759
<v Speaker 3>two common story types I mentioned earlier in the episode

1:34:04.760 --> 1:34:08.519
<v Speaker 3>are manifesting here, I guess that's how the movie deals

1:34:08.600 --> 1:34:11.960
<v Speaker 3>with the reproductive conspiracy and a kind of frightening and

1:34:12.040 --> 1:34:15.479
<v Speaker 3>interesting way. But the other thing is the body snatching

1:34:15.520 --> 1:34:20.400
<v Speaker 3>subplot and how that leads to this environment of distrust

1:34:20.439 --> 1:34:24.760
<v Speaker 3>and paranoia. I mentioned earlier that I don't think this

1:34:24.880 --> 1:34:26.680
<v Speaker 3>movie uses it the same way a lot of the

1:34:26.720 --> 1:34:29.960
<v Speaker 3>others do to highlight ideas about the Cold War and

1:34:30.040 --> 1:34:34.719
<v Speaker 3>political and filtration. Instead, this is using the body snatching

1:34:34.760 --> 1:34:39.320
<v Speaker 3>and mistrust theme to highlight a tension and imbalance of

1:34:39.360 --> 1:34:44.439
<v Speaker 3>power between the sexes. Throughout the movie, Marge keeps seeking

1:34:44.600 --> 1:34:47.880
<v Speaker 3>help she has, but she has to appeal to men

1:34:48.800 --> 1:34:52.000
<v Speaker 3>because in this movie, in this world, the men have

1:34:52.120 --> 1:34:55.000
<v Speaker 3>all the guns and the keys and the dogs, and

1:34:55.040 --> 1:34:58.439
<v Speaker 3>the power and the control over institutions and so like,

1:34:58.680 --> 1:35:03.000
<v Speaker 3>really the power to do anything to stop this conspiracy.

1:35:03.160 --> 1:35:06.200
<v Speaker 3>To stop it, you have to appeal to men somehow.

1:35:06.720 --> 1:35:09.800
<v Speaker 3>But that doesn't work because any of the men she

1:35:09.840 --> 1:35:11.640
<v Speaker 3>goes to talk to could be a part of the

1:35:11.680 --> 1:35:15.880
<v Speaker 3>alien conspiracy, or even if they're not aliens, they could

1:35:15.880 --> 1:35:18.720
<v Speaker 3>be somebody who is just not a reliable helper, someone

1:35:18.760 --> 1:35:21.400
<v Speaker 3>who doesn't take her seriously, somebody who's just trying to

1:35:21.760 --> 1:35:26.480
<v Speaker 3>get something from her. So Marge is portrayed as isolated

1:35:26.520 --> 1:35:30.160
<v Speaker 3>from help and support in a world controlled by men

1:35:30.200 --> 1:35:31.400
<v Speaker 3>who cannot be trusted.

1:35:31.760 --> 1:35:34.679
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and she's a strong character, but in a world

1:35:34.720 --> 1:35:38.440
<v Speaker 2>that just does not give women a lot of options.

1:35:38.920 --> 1:35:42.160
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, And so any man she appeals to, even when

1:35:42.240 --> 1:35:44.479
<v Speaker 3>he claims to want to help her, like Chief Collins

1:35:44.520 --> 1:35:47.680
<v Speaker 3>could secretly be working against her, and there's no way

1:35:47.720 --> 1:35:51.160
<v Speaker 3>to tell from the outside. Guys who look human and

1:35:51.240 --> 1:36:04.800
<v Speaker 3>seem nice might not actually be trustworthy. But anyway, I

1:36:04.800 --> 1:36:07.280
<v Speaker 3>guess this brings us back to how does Marge actually

1:36:07.320 --> 1:36:10.839
<v Speaker 3>beat the aliens. I don't know if this means anything.

1:36:10.960 --> 1:36:13.160
<v Speaker 3>Maybe it's just kind of you know, they had to

1:36:13.160 --> 1:36:16.160
<v Speaker 3>get to the end somehow, or maybe it does mean something.

1:36:16.200 --> 1:36:19.200
<v Speaker 3>I don't know. She finally appeals to the one guy

1:36:19.240 --> 1:36:22.559
<v Speaker 3>in town who can actually be trusted, and it's her doctor.

1:36:23.880 --> 1:36:27.000
<v Speaker 3>As she goes and she explains things to doctor Wayne,

1:36:27.240 --> 1:36:30.960
<v Speaker 3>and here I was expecting, I don't know, another scene

1:36:31.000 --> 1:36:32.840
<v Speaker 3>of maybe he turns out to be an alien too,

1:36:33.600 --> 1:36:36.880
<v Speaker 3>or he just doesn't listen to her and rebuffs her.

1:36:37.200 --> 1:36:40.320
<v Speaker 3>But for whatever reason, he's just like, Okay, I understand

1:36:40.360 --> 1:36:43.720
<v Speaker 3>what you're saying. She makes the case to him, he's convinced,

1:36:43.760 --> 1:36:45.479
<v Speaker 3>and he's like, I'm gonna help you. I'm gonna figure

1:36:45.479 --> 1:36:49.439
<v Speaker 3>out how. And the solution that Doctor Wayne comes up

1:36:49.439 --> 1:36:53.559
<v Speaker 3>with is interesting. I also am wondering exactly what this

1:36:53.680 --> 1:36:55.479
<v Speaker 3>means in the context of the movie. I don't know

1:36:55.520 --> 1:36:59.080
<v Speaker 3>how much it is intended to mean but doctor Wayne

1:36:59.120 --> 1:37:02.040
<v Speaker 3>is like, the only way I can figure out which

1:37:02.160 --> 1:37:07.200
<v Speaker 3>men haven't yet been replaced by the aliens are the

1:37:07.280 --> 1:37:10.840
<v Speaker 3>men who have recently fathered children. So he goes to

1:37:10.920 --> 1:37:14.839
<v Speaker 3>the maternity ward and gets together a posse of new fathers.

1:37:15.200 --> 1:37:17.479
<v Speaker 2>He goes down there, He's like, men, you're not doing anything.

1:37:17.479 --> 1:37:18.320
<v Speaker 2>You're just setting around.

1:37:20.360 --> 1:37:22.600
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, you have brand, you have, you have newborns. But

1:37:23.240 --> 1:37:25.080
<v Speaker 3>it's time to get your guns and your dogs, and

1:37:25.080 --> 1:37:26.439
<v Speaker 3>we're going to go destroy the aliens.

1:37:26.479 --> 1:37:28.600
<v Speaker 2>Yes, so he raises up a breeder posse to go

1:37:28.720 --> 1:37:30.080
<v Speaker 2>out and look for the aliens.

1:37:30.439 --> 1:37:34.600
<v Speaker 3>Yeah. Yeah. So this leads up to the Final Confrontation,

1:37:34.760 --> 1:37:39.720
<v Speaker 3>where this posse goes out to attack the spaceship and

1:37:40.000 --> 1:37:43.200
<v Speaker 3>it turns out that there is a way to save

1:37:43.240 --> 1:37:47.040
<v Speaker 3>the men, to save the men who have been body snatched. Robi,

1:37:47.200 --> 1:37:49.439
<v Speaker 3>I know you had some notes on the final confrontation here.

1:37:49.439 --> 1:37:50.240
<v Speaker 3>Do you want to talk about it?

1:37:50.280 --> 1:37:53.960
<v Speaker 2>Yeah? Yeah, So, I mean, the basic situation is we're

1:37:53.960 --> 1:37:56.519
<v Speaker 2>going to learn is that the men who are replaced

1:37:56.520 --> 1:37:59.280
<v Speaker 2>their bodies are still alive, but in some form of

1:37:59.320 --> 1:38:02.120
<v Speaker 2>suspended an mation aboard the alien spaceship. We didn't know

1:38:02.160 --> 1:38:05.920
<v Speaker 2>that until until here in the final stages, and that's

1:38:05.920 --> 1:38:08.040
<v Speaker 2>how we're going to be able to bring them back

1:38:08.080 --> 1:38:12.920
<v Speaker 2>and have our you know, perfect resolution. And we also

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<v Speaker 2>are going to quickly learn that not only can the

1:38:15.640 --> 1:38:19.679
<v Speaker 2>aliens be killed by at least by dogs, not by guns,

1:38:20.120 --> 1:38:24.760
<v Speaker 2>but dogs, we can also kill them by breaking the

1:38:24.800 --> 1:38:27.880
<v Speaker 2>connection between the host bodies and the alien that is

1:38:27.920 --> 1:38:30.120
<v Speaker 2>pretending to be that person out in the field.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>In any either case, when the creatures die, they melt

1:38:36.040 --> 1:38:39.439
<v Speaker 2>in this really horrifying way where like, like, you know,

1:38:39.479 --> 1:38:41.839
<v Speaker 2>it's modern sensibilities in all, but it's kind of crazy

1:38:41.880 --> 1:38:43.880
<v Speaker 2>that we have we have to show twin beds in

1:38:43.920 --> 1:38:46.679
<v Speaker 2>this movie. But it's fine to watch even our top

1:38:46.680 --> 1:38:49.320
<v Speaker 2>build star melt out into a pile of sick, like,

1:38:49.479 --> 1:38:52.919
<v Speaker 2>you know, out of the the neck of his outfit,

1:38:53.000 --> 1:38:55.519
<v Speaker 2>that sort of thing out of the cuffs of his coat.

1:38:56.000 --> 1:38:59.599
<v Speaker 3>It's gross. I mean, it is like a thick, gushing,

1:39:01.120 --> 1:39:05.080
<v Speaker 3>multi textured slime just pouring out of men's clothes.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but we end up getting into such an interesting

1:39:07.920 --> 1:39:10.439
<v Speaker 2>place in the final stretches of this film because in

1:39:10.479 --> 1:39:13.120
<v Speaker 2>one sense, it's very much a page from the nineteen

1:39:13.160 --> 1:39:17.840
<v Speaker 2>fifties genre movie playbook Masculine Authority Figures race to save

1:39:17.880 --> 1:39:21.000
<v Speaker 2>the day. But we've reached that point in the narrative

1:39:21.000 --> 1:39:25.240
<v Speaker 2>here where our alien impostures are. They're not completely sympathetic,

1:39:25.320 --> 1:39:28.760
<v Speaker 2>but they're not unsympathetic like we Again, we're in that

1:39:28.800 --> 1:39:32.120
<v Speaker 2>weird area where they're doing something out of desperation to

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<v Speaker 2>try and save their race. They're learning what love is,

1:39:35.680 --> 1:39:38.640
<v Speaker 2>they're trying to adapt. They just like they don't know

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<v Speaker 2>enough about humans to even know that they are evil.

1:39:41.720 --> 1:39:43.080
<v Speaker 2>And in some respect, you know.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, of what they're doing is clearly wrong, and we

1:39:46.479 --> 1:39:50.080
<v Speaker 3>see in deep and profound ways how it's wrong. But

1:39:50.280 --> 1:39:53.959
<v Speaker 3>also we learned that the aliens are themselves confused and afraid.

1:39:54.200 --> 1:39:57.120
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And they're increasingly confused and afraid during this theme

1:39:57.160 --> 1:40:00.360
<v Speaker 2>because they realize, oh, the vigilantes here have each our

1:40:00.400 --> 1:40:04.200
<v Speaker 2>spaceship and the use of the attack dogs is also

1:40:04.320 --> 1:40:09.200
<v Speaker 2>rather vicious. Yeah. So they they'll leap up onto the

1:40:09.280 --> 1:40:11.640
<v Speaker 2>onto the creatures and like rip their the tubes out

1:40:11.680 --> 1:40:12.240
<v Speaker 2>of their neck.

1:40:12.680 --> 1:40:14.960
<v Speaker 3>Yeah. The things that look like roots going into the

1:40:15.000 --> 1:40:18.400
<v Speaker 3>trees of their heads, you know that are there hoses?

1:40:18.439 --> 1:40:21.360
<v Speaker 3>I guess there are methane hoses. Those get ripped out

1:40:21.400 --> 1:40:23.120
<v Speaker 3>and that causes the alien melting.

1:40:23.200 --> 1:40:25.120
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and these are like German shepherds. These are you know,

1:40:25.520 --> 1:40:28.719
<v Speaker 2>police dogs, so they're pretty intimidating. They also do before

1:40:28.760 --> 1:40:31.040
<v Speaker 2>the dogs attack, they do some sort of weird walk

1:40:31.720 --> 1:40:33.080
<v Speaker 2>like they're in stealth mode. What is that?

1:40:33.360 --> 1:40:36.040
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, you see the dogs creeping along on the That

1:40:36.200 --> 1:40:37.760
<v Speaker 3>was interesting. I didn't know what to make of that.

1:40:37.880 --> 1:40:39.799
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so they'll do that creep and then they'll pounce,

1:40:39.880 --> 1:40:43.240
<v Speaker 2>and then they'll kill an alien. And so yeah, the

1:40:43.240 --> 1:40:46.120
<v Speaker 2>the the aliens here are being hunted by men with

1:40:46.200 --> 1:40:51.360
<v Speaker 2>guns and dogs in the woods. And then yeah, this

1:40:51.479 --> 1:40:54.719
<v Speaker 2>scene where they're unplugging the original bodies one by one,

1:40:55.120 --> 1:40:58.000
<v Speaker 2>which causes the the impostors out in the field to

1:40:58.040 --> 1:41:02.280
<v Speaker 2>suddenly die and die so horribly like the pain is

1:41:02.320 --> 1:41:05.439
<v Speaker 2>I guess so excruciating that the aliens will turn their

1:41:05.479 --> 1:41:09.320
<v Speaker 2>disintegration rays on each other to keep them from having

1:41:09.400 --> 1:41:14.280
<v Speaker 2>to experience the full effect of that situation. Yeah, it's

1:41:14.280 --> 1:41:16.439
<v Speaker 2>also reminiscent of what we would get decades later in

1:41:16.479 --> 1:41:19.040
<v Speaker 2>the Matrix, where like unplugging people from the matrix and

1:41:19.080 --> 1:41:22.000
<v Speaker 2>then having them die in the digital world.

1:41:22.760 --> 1:41:23.120
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

1:41:23.200 --> 1:41:26.800
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so yeah, and then I'll also throw in as

1:41:26.800 --> 1:41:29.439
<v Speaker 2>well that the way that the original human bodies are

1:41:29.439 --> 1:41:32.880
<v Speaker 2>positioned in the spaceship. They're kind of hanging, and so

1:41:32.960 --> 1:41:35.639
<v Speaker 2>there's really this kind of sense of like execution at

1:41:35.640 --> 1:41:39.000
<v Speaker 2>the gallows as they go, you know, in order sequentially

1:41:39.080 --> 1:41:41.759
<v Speaker 2>like unhook this one kill an alien out in the field.

1:41:42.000 --> 1:41:44.200
<v Speaker 2>And as they do this, they eventually get to the

1:41:44.240 --> 1:41:48.400
<v Speaker 2>alien that has been impersonating Marge's husband.

1:41:49.000 --> 1:41:52.800
<v Speaker 3>Right, So, ultimately Marge is reunited with the real Bill,

1:41:52.920 --> 1:41:55.240
<v Speaker 3>who we know very little of actually.

1:41:55.040 --> 1:41:57.320
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and she probably knows little of him as well,

1:41:57.360 --> 1:42:00.200
<v Speaker 2>because she spent the whole last year in a relationship

1:42:00.240 --> 1:42:02.839
<v Speaker 2>with an alien being disguised as him.

1:42:03.160 --> 1:42:05.920
<v Speaker 3>More time with the alien than with the real Bill, possibly,

1:42:06.120 --> 1:42:08.240
<v Speaker 3>I don't know how long they knew each other before

1:42:08.240 --> 1:42:13.080
<v Speaker 3>their marriage, but yeah, so they're reunited and you get

1:42:13.080 --> 1:42:15.960
<v Speaker 3>a kind of happy ending there. But you also get

1:42:15.960 --> 1:42:20.559
<v Speaker 3>this interesting broadcast right where the aliens become aware that

1:42:20.600 --> 1:42:24.960
<v Speaker 3>they've been discovered and they send out a broadcast to

1:42:25.040 --> 1:42:28.760
<v Speaker 3>this fleet of other alien ships. They're like, forget about Earth,

1:42:28.800 --> 1:42:30.240
<v Speaker 3>it's not going to work here. We got to find

1:42:30.240 --> 1:42:30.880
<v Speaker 3>a different planet.

1:42:30.960 --> 1:42:35.240
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Earthlings are too dangerous, and they leave and we

1:42:35.280 --> 1:42:38.320
<v Speaker 2>get that we close out really with that wide shot

1:42:38.360 --> 1:42:40.160
<v Speaker 2>again of Earth. At this time, they are all these

1:42:40.400 --> 1:42:43.600
<v Speaker 2>different spaceships and they're like leaving the planet. So I

1:42:43.600 --> 1:42:49.600
<v Speaker 2>don't know if this means that more invasions were planned,

1:42:49.800 --> 1:42:52.519
<v Speaker 2>like this was just like the Seed invasion or was

1:42:52.560 --> 1:42:55.280
<v Speaker 2>this happening all around the world in different communities.

1:42:55.760 --> 1:42:56.200
<v Speaker 3>I don't know.

1:42:56.800 --> 1:42:58.720
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but there's a you know, so we get our

1:42:58.760 --> 1:43:02.080
<v Speaker 2>happy ending. We get our you know, humans rally defeat

1:43:02.080 --> 1:43:06.120
<v Speaker 2>the alien menace, but with a lot more nuanced than

1:43:06.280 --> 1:43:08.240
<v Speaker 2>you generally get out of a movie like this from

1:43:08.240 --> 1:43:11.240
<v Speaker 2>the nineteen fifties. Like you're left feeling like, Okay, this

1:43:11.400 --> 1:43:14.080
<v Speaker 2>was a victory for humanity. It's not you know, it's

1:43:14.080 --> 1:43:18.280
<v Speaker 2>certainly not shades of gray. But yeah, we feel some

1:43:18.360 --> 1:43:20.479
<v Speaker 2>amount of sympathy for the aliens here as well.

1:43:21.080 --> 1:43:23.800
<v Speaker 3>Yes, I mean it's a happy ending in that these

1:43:23.840 --> 1:43:28.080
<v Speaker 3>aliens are rejected and like Marge is reunited with the

1:43:28.120 --> 1:43:32.040
<v Speaker 3>real Bill. So that's the good part. But also, yeah,

1:43:32.120 --> 1:43:36.959
<v Speaker 3>it's bittersweet because, for one thing, a lot of the

1:43:37.040 --> 1:43:39.720
<v Speaker 3>threats that Marge was dealing with along the way, we're

1:43:39.720 --> 1:43:40.720
<v Speaker 3>not even from the right.

1:43:40.800 --> 1:43:43.000
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, all those threats are still very much in play.

1:43:43.600 --> 1:43:46.960
<v Speaker 2>The world has not changed. Yeah, so we were left

1:43:47.000 --> 1:43:50.800
<v Speaker 2>to contemplate that as well. Yeah, all right, Well, there

1:43:50.840 --> 1:43:53.559
<v Speaker 2>you have it. I married a monster from outer space.

1:43:54.880 --> 1:43:57.960
<v Speaker 2>As we've been discussing, stands up really well, Yeah, I

1:43:58.080 --> 1:43:59.760
<v Speaker 2>was impressed with this one. It was great to come

1:43:59.800 --> 1:44:02.160
<v Speaker 2>back can revisit it and really watch it in a

1:44:02.200 --> 1:44:04.719
<v Speaker 2>way for the first time. A lot of these movies,

1:44:04.800 --> 1:44:07.000
<v Speaker 2>you know, if I've seen it for Weird House before,

1:44:07.040 --> 1:44:09.360
<v Speaker 2>that doesn't mean I've necessarily gotten to really settle in

1:44:09.840 --> 1:44:13.120
<v Speaker 2>and appreciate it. So yeah, I really enjoyed this one.

1:44:14.040 --> 1:44:15.720
<v Speaker 3>Are we going to come back and watch Daughter of

1:44:15.800 --> 1:44:19.680
<v Speaker 3>Doctor Jekyl do the full Gloria Talbot film filmography? Maybe so?

1:44:19.760 --> 1:44:22.360
<v Speaker 2>I mean, she was terrific in this I would not

1:44:22.479 --> 1:44:24.800
<v Speaker 2>say no to another film featuring her.

1:44:25.840 --> 1:44:28.560
<v Speaker 3>It doesn't have a reputation for being amazing, but it

1:44:28.680 --> 1:44:30.200
<v Speaker 3>might be amazing in that other way.

1:44:30.360 --> 1:44:34.040
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Yeah, for that matter, I'm also interested in coming

1:44:34.120 --> 1:44:36.000
<v Speaker 2>back and maybe doing The Blob at some point. I've

1:44:36.000 --> 1:44:38.439
<v Speaker 2>always had The Blob is a film I have a

1:44:38.479 --> 1:44:40.519
<v Speaker 2>lot of love for, But in a way I'd be

1:44:40.720 --> 1:44:43.920
<v Speaker 2>kind of torn. Do we do the original fifties Blob

1:44:44.000 --> 1:44:45.880
<v Speaker 2>or do we do the eighties Blob? The Eighties Blob

1:44:46.040 --> 1:44:49.160
<v Speaker 2>is also a lot of fun, and does you know

1:44:49.280 --> 1:44:53.880
<v Speaker 2>has amazing effects as well. I think I've found myself

1:44:53.880 --> 1:44:56.120
<v Speaker 2>in that situation before where I'm like a classic blob

1:44:56.400 --> 1:45:01.080
<v Speaker 2>blobb remake. Don't make me choose? All right? Well, just

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