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Speaker 1: My guest is Steve Phillips.

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Speaker 2: He is a New York Times best selling author, columnist,

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Speaker 2: and leading national political thought leader. And that's why he's

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Speaker 2: on the show. He's the author of the New York Times

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Speaker 2: and Washington Post bestselling Brown Is the New White How

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Speaker 2: the Demographics Revolution has created a New American Majority. He's

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Speaker 2: on the show to discuss his new book, How We

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Speaker 2: Win the Civil War? How We Win the Civil War?

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Speaker 2: Does that's our timely?

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Speaker 1: I think so.

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Speaker 2: The book is available for purchase in storage right now

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Speaker 2: and online. Please welcome to the Money Making Conversations Masterclass,

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Speaker 2: the one and only Steve Phillips.

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Speaker 1: How you doing, Steve, I'm good, Thanks for having me on.

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Speaker 1: Glad to be here. Good where you're.

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Speaker 2: Based at, Steve, It's San Francisco, California. Okay, you're a

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Speaker 2: West Coast guy. When when you hear West Coast, you

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Speaker 2: hear you know, liberalism. You know, they they very want

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Speaker 2: to want to protect the earth. You know, the electric

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Speaker 2: car came out of there, you know they you know,

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Speaker 2: uh right of the woman has the right, you know,

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Speaker 2: ortions and all these things are favorably received in that

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Speaker 2: part of the country. I'm in the South I'm born

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Speaker 2: and raised in Houston, Texas. I now live in Georgia.

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Speaker 2: I just want to give you that perspective because you're

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Speaker 2: living in that environment. I'm living in this environment, so

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Speaker 2: really being inundated by two different messages. So I think

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Speaker 2: that's really going to help our conversation because I want

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Speaker 2: to talk to you because in your book, I feel

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Speaker 2: that it's necessary.

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Speaker 1: The message you're trying to.

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Speaker 2: Say is that there's a denial being happened out there,

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Speaker 2: and that's happening out there because there is a white

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Speaker 2: majority out there that really wants to keep status quote

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Speaker 2: no matter what it may, and they've shown it January sixth,

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Speaker 2: that violence is an option and they will use it.

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Speaker 1: When you wrote this book, what is your perspective?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, very much so, And just so I don't fully

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Speaker 3: get distorted in terms of my I live in San

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Speaker 3: Francisco and I've been out here since I went to

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Speaker 3: colleges and fully realized reading the Stanford Sure, but I

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Speaker 3: grew up in Cleveland originally. My grandfather was a minister

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Speaker 3: at Glenbooroe Church of God there. My nephew and his

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Speaker 3: family live in Houston, and one of the states that

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Speaker 3: we feature is Georgia in the book, Yes you Do,

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Speaker 3: Yes and so Fundamental.

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Speaker 1: I went to book for two reasons.

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Speaker 3: One is I wanted to try to explain what is

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Speaker 3: going on in US politics at this point in time

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Speaker 3: in this country and to have people understand the intensity

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Speaker 3: and the ferocity of the opposition and that there really

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Speaker 3: are people. And the title How We Win the Civil

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Speaker 3: War is I show try to show that the Confederates

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Speaker 3: have never stopped fighting the actual Civil War, and they

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Speaker 3: have not stopped the efforts to try to make this

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Speaker 3: fundamentally a white country, and that that battle about whether

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Speaker 3: it going to be a white country or a multi

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Speaker 3: racial democracy continues to rage. It continues to rage most

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Speaker 3: intensely in the South because that is where people, that

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Speaker 3: those are the areas that also for the most promise

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Speaker 3: is places exactly like Harris County, places like Georgia as

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Speaker 3: well as Arizona Virginia that are on the cutting edge

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Speaker 2: Well, Steve, I didn't want to like to say that

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Speaker 2: that that was you were born and raised in California.

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Speaker 1: I apologize delivery.

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Speaker 2: I'm just trying to set this conversation tone for right

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Speaker 2: now present because it allows us to have a perspective

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Speaker 2: what's going on, you know, in California and what's going

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Speaker 2: on in Georgia, which is featured in the book. And

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Speaker 2: it may happen in another states. Philadelphia is one of them.

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Speaker 2: That's a whole different conversation now when you talk about

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Speaker 2: your perspective what's going on in California, when you sit

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Speaker 3: Well, it's interesting because it's on both levels. And so

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Speaker 3: on one level, California has been a breakthrough. And then

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Speaker 3: my serious book, Ground is The New White. I talk

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Speaker 3: about how California is an example of what is possible

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Speaker 3: going from a state that was formerly very conservatives, the

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Speaker 3: a book by the author Jewel Taylor Gibbs called Preserving

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Speaker 3: three strikes legislation that all passed, which were all reactions

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Speaker 3: like thirty points here in California. Republican has on one

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Speaker 3: this should be a multiracial democracy, but then we're facing

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Speaker 3: the next level of challenges now. And so we were

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Speaker 2: Thank you for a responding like that. Sometimes, you know,

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Speaker 2: I was born in an inner city. You know, six sisters,

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Speaker 2: that's where I was born. And so a lot of

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Speaker 2: And so that to me is always champions the inability

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Speaker 2: and it looked just like you, and then you worry

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Speaker 2: And so that was a sick that I read from

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Speaker 1: He's a liar. You know.

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Speaker 2: You think back to Donald Trump. He was talking about

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Speaker 1: What shifted that.

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Speaker 2: When when moral content conduct didn't matter anymore in politics.

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Speaker 3: Well, this is the point that I was, you know,

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Speaker 1: But that's not what we're doing.

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Speaker 3: And that's one of the most dangerous things of what

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Speaker 3: And so the herschel Walker's and his recruit in finding

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Speaker 3: But because he's the champion of the Trump wing of

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Speaker 1: And that's one of the fundamental messages.

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Speaker 3: I think that that is a reflection of the fact

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Speaker 2: Wow, I'm speaking of Steve Phillips, New York Times best

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Speaker 2: selling author of Brown is the New White. We're on

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Speaker 2: Civil War securing a multiracial democracy and an Indian white

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Speaker 1: I wish we could do that.

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Speaker 2: I think that Indian white supremacy is so good because

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Speaker 1: They were hoods back in the day, and they still

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Speaker 2: But there's another group of white supremacists who control social media,

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Speaker 2: who drove banks, who've always done it, but blatantly doing it,

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Speaker 2: and with social media kind of like flaunting it. We

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Speaker 2: all know that through social media. One could say that

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Speaker 2: that's how Donald Trump won his electorate. And I think

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Speaker 2: that when you talk about the moment of Donald Trump

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Speaker 2: Let me I'm a hold as stay apnthrow. I'm talking

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Speaker 2: to Steve Phillips how we win the Civil War?

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Speaker 1: His book is incredible. Of reading an interview on.

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Speaker 2: The show about this book, stay if Stacey aven because

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Speaker 3: And she is all in many ways, Stacy has already

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Speaker 1: It is coming in November, and.

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Speaker 3: That she is clearly one of the brightest, most courageous

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Speaker 2: This has been said that Steve that we are a

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Speaker 2: They said that because we have a two party country,

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Speaker 2: And so those moments of you know, like I said,

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Speaker 2: how they alter voting redistracting. All these things are done

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Speaker 2: when you have power. When we talk about Indian the

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Speaker 2: Civil War, I talk about my color. I talk about

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Speaker 2: if you have to say a couple of things, and

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Speaker 2: you say this in your book, and my goal when

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Speaker 2: I would do influential authors like that is not to

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Speaker 2: give away your book.

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Speaker 1: I want them to buy your book.

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Speaker 2: So I would like for the author to put into

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Speaker 2: words that would allow people to understand what you're trying

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Speaker 2: to say. Are we talking about one hundred years from now?

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Speaker 2: Are we talk about two hundred years from now that.

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Speaker 1: We have to live in this horrible life.

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Speaker 2: Of uncertainty where your color does matter, especially in racial situations.

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Speaker 2: How does one win the civil war? Is it certain

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Speaker 2: pockets like in San Diego other identifiable cities there understand

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Speaker 1: How what is that timeline? Sir?

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Speaker 3: I really believe that the twenty twenties are in fact

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Speaker 3: the key area in terms of what we're actually facing

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Speaker 3: to be critical and that and we can we continue

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Speaker 3: the progress in the places like Texas, Georgia, Arizona. Can

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Speaker 3: we continue to flip places like Florida, North Carolina, which

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Speaker 3: are in fact possible, And if we do that, then

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Speaker 3: we will in fact be able to be far along

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Speaker 3: on the road towards winning the Civil War.

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Speaker 2: At one point, this country was ninety percent white. Now

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Speaker 2: I think that number is down to sixty percent. So

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Speaker 2: that only encourages white's supremacists to say, we have to

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Speaker 2: to carry our guns, we have to throw they say,

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Speaker 2: not only fear mongerers, but white mongerers. They're holding on

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Speaker 2: to their place in line. And so as that number

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Speaker 2: keeps shrinking, I honestly believe this is my thoughts, is

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Speaker 2: that if something negative were to happen from the stand

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Speaker 2: from legally for Trump, he would only add more fuel

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Speaker 2: to the fire. I really believed that he could lead

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Speaker 2: this country down a path of violence.

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Speaker 1: Am I overreacted to that?

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Speaker 2: Steve or you said, Rashan, I hold my breath because

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Speaker 2: you may be right.

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Speaker 1: You know, well, we already have.

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Speaker 3: They already happened that they they stormed the United States Capital,

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Speaker 3: talked to the law enforcement officers, multiple people died and

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Speaker 3: so and then Trump was pleased with all that. So

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Speaker 3: there's absolutely that potential exists. But again, if we participate,

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Speaker 3: if we run, if we vote, if we win, if

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Speaker 3: we can control of our societal institutions, then we can

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Speaker 3: enforce the laws. We can enforce equality in ways that

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Speaker 3: will move us forward.

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Speaker 2: We know it's always like when you read a great

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Speaker 2: book Steve or how we win the Civil War, security

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Speaker 2: and multiracial democracy and endiing white supremacy for good. That

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Speaker 2: means I got to go get the other book, Brown

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Speaker 2: is the New White, another one of your best sellers.

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Speaker 2: I want to thank you for coming on money making conversations.

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Speaker 2: to you for five minutes. We're at twenty six minutes

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Speaker 2: in counting. And this is not only your book is

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Speaker 1: And I hope that.

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Speaker 2: We are able to create change with books like this,

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Speaker 2: and I do believe what you're saying, and the time

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Speaker 2: is now for us to start changing. The time is

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Speaker 2: when authors like you, writers like you write on his books.

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