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Speaker 1: This is the Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous podcast

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Speaker 1: with our radio. Hey guys, it's Ashley and I am

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Speaker 1: joined by my co host today, Kevin went, Lily Mans

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Speaker 1: and Courtney Dope. Good Morning America. I feel like it

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Speaker 1: takes three of ye, truly, truly does. It's so sad

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Speaker 1: that Ben's on here because I know that we would

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Speaker 1: love to talk about all of his tears, like he

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Speaker 1: made America weep. The other day, my sister was crying

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Speaker 1: so hard during Yuki in Ben's exit, she was like

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Speaker 1: laugh crying. She was having the Ashley I laugh cry

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Speaker 1: because she was laughing. She was crying so hard. So

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Speaker 1: that runs in the family. Yes, doesn't do you not

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Speaker 1: do that? I don't laugh cry. I did cry, though

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Speaker 1: I cried. I never cried right now, I don't cry

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Speaker 1: be they got everyone. I was crying Atlas both Abah.

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Speaker 1: I want to know from your guy's perspective, how you

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Speaker 1: felt Ben was on the show, because everybody was like

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Speaker 1: Ben seems like he has walls up, and I was like,

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Speaker 1: it seems like relatively normal Ben to me, Well, how

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Speaker 1: do you guys feel he was in that environment? Um?

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Speaker 1: I feel like he probably treated you because you guys

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Speaker 1: are such good friends. Yeah, he was like really open

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Speaker 1: with me, and we had conversations that you guys wouldn't. Yeah, besides,

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Speaker 1: me and him had a good conversation about our similar

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Speaker 1: breakups and besides that. Um, I just thought it was

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Speaker 1: just a normal dude hanging in the house. But I

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Speaker 1: didn't think he was the saint of the world. The

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Speaker 1: second well, of course, I mean we just we just

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Speaker 1: we just got along really well. And I didn't really

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Speaker 1: see him. I don't know him in any other way.

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Speaker 1: So that's just the bend that I met. Um. I

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Speaker 1: didn't see him being closed off. He was engaging with

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Speaker 1: all of us. I just think he just wasn't ready

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Speaker 1: to be there. Yeah, I think that's the good thing

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Speaker 1: about US internationals. I had no idea who he was

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Speaker 1: coming into it. I just thought he was a normal guy.

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Speaker 1: You were obviously really passionate about him to suss that

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Speaker 1: and be like, what's to deal with that? But I

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Speaker 1: had a conversation with the guy. He was like, he's

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Speaker 1: really gentle, soft kind of man, good guy. Yeah, he's

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Speaker 1: like America's prince, he really is. Yeah. Yeah, It's it's

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Speaker 1: funny in these situations that like you go into a

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Speaker 1: and form relationships and see where they're going to go,

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Speaker 1: and if it don't work, then you move on. Kevin

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Speaker 1: Class example. Um, And I think with Ben he sort

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Speaker 1: of I don't know the image that I got from here.

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Speaker 1: He sort of did hold back. He did a lot

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Speaker 1: of cooking by himself and didn't really engage with that

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Speaker 1: many people. See that's so interesting. I always felt like

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Speaker 1: he was engaging, and then everybody else who didn't know

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Speaker 1: him didn't feel the same. Yeah. I think in group

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Speaker 1: settings he was always like, yeah, it's like, yeah, we're

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Speaker 1: all friends kind of thing in this area. But I

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Speaker 1: think one on one he never really saw him have

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Speaker 1: too many intimate conversation. Oh. Absolutely, very into him. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: he just wasn't putting himself. I think he was himself.

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Speaker 1: He just wasn't crossing that line to really put himself

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Speaker 1: to be available, right. Yeah. He definitely put the friend

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Speaker 1: zone of vibes out there. And I thought that he

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Speaker 1: was like very much of a father figure in the

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Speaker 1: house he cooked or not, and that you're right, you're right, Oh,

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Speaker 1: yeah he is six years I'm giving you an insane Yeah, no,

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Speaker 1: he's definitely he's younger than me too, but he's definitely

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Speaker 1: my big brother. Yeah. Okay, well I mean elephant in

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Speaker 1: the room here, Kevin and I one public platforms feet

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Speaker 1: to rub it into thank you very much. Yeah, so

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Speaker 1: I well, thank you you guys. A little known fact

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Speaker 1: that you didn't see. Kevin was so competitive that day

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Speaker 1: it was freaking me out. Was like, oh, wait, I

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Speaker 1: have found this man's flaw. He like, can't he's taking

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Speaker 1: this away too seriously. And then he was like, no,

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Speaker 1: I'm not. We're just having fun. And I said, no,

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Speaker 1: we need to win the Bachelor Winner games for you,

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Speaker 1: and he's like, if you would you say You're like,

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Speaker 1: if you ever say that again, Yeah, it was for us.

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Speaker 1: It was for us. I didn't want it to be

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Speaker 1: if we don't win. So here's the thing. When you

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Speaker 1: the time ice dancing came up, I knew I was

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Speaker 1: going to see Ashley after the show. I was excited

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Speaker 1: about our relationship. So once you get to the arena,

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Speaker 1: it's like game face on, Like our relationship will be fine,

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Speaker 1: and the thing is, um you got to see a

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Speaker 1: little a little taste of our rehearsal the day before

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Speaker 1: with you know, Nancy Karrigan, Babylonian Randy what Something Gardner Good.

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Speaker 1: Kevin and I were so much better during the rehearsals

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Speaker 1: because they let us wear layers. Like I was all bundled,

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Speaker 1: so I wasn't freezing. I was so tense. I couldn't

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Speaker 1: move at all in that outfit. So yeah, So if

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Speaker 1: barely move basically just make out and win. The ice

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Speaker 1: dancing practice was a lot better because she had foot

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Speaker 1: Court of Lily, and I didn't get the cute outfits

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Speaker 1: that set. The other two were real like trendy, sexy,

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Speaker 1: have felt better about myself and maybe have performed better

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Speaker 1: if I had a sexy outfit on. You guys both

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Speaker 1: look fantastic. You don't like a Disney princess that thing.

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Speaker 1: Thank you. You're so sweet. It's so sweet. Corny looked

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Speaker 1: very sexy. Thank you, Kevin, Thank you very much. Courney

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Speaker 1: and Lily, you are the international couple. Um. I think

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Speaker 1: prior connection to them before they felt like something to

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Speaker 1: because people love you so much because you're hysterical together,

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Speaker 1: your chemistry and your sense of humor just drive so well. Um, So,

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Speaker 1: how do you guys feel about being like America's Aussie

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Speaker 1: and New Zealand stethearts? There was like Bachelor alumni wanting

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Speaker 1: and Wells is like actually put Courtney and Lily on

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Speaker 1: a double date. America has really taken us under their wing,

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Speaker 1: which is so nice. We are a bunch of videos.

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Speaker 1: It comes across, doesn't wow. Yeah, So did you guys

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Speaker 1: feel like maybe your relationship wasn't shown enough on screen

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Speaker 1: the scenes that you wish were still in there. Yeah? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: where do we stop? I think the last two episodes

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Speaker 1: You know that's really us and established couple. Uh. The

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Speaker 1: last thing, the last thing, do you want to actually

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Speaker 1: caught me? I think you tell this story aboutter Do

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Speaker 1: you want to tell him about dropping me? Um? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: So there was obviously I mean, this is a G

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Speaker 1: rated show PG. Really there was. There was lots of

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Speaker 1: lots of scenarios that Literally and I put ourselves in

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Speaker 1: then I said, there's only one real way to show

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Speaker 1: So generally it's like a show of how manly you are.

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Speaker 1: So you dropped a knee and I dropped her and

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Speaker 1: She was like, get the hell up? What have they

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Speaker 1: one on one day? I never want to speak um. Okay,

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Speaker 1: So speaking of getting down on one knee, how scared

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Speaker 1: r was Dean giving Leslie the key to his house,

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Speaker 1: because like, they're definitely really great, but I know that

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Speaker 1: she's not ready for her proposal, but that with the

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Speaker 1: a convincing almost proposal. He did pretty well, didn't you

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Speaker 1: see through it? Someone was telling me that they knew

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Speaker 1: he was not going to do it. Yeah, well, I

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Speaker 1: mean he's pretty young, surely wouldn't lock himself in that.

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Speaker 1: I thought it was a pretty cute gesture because she

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Speaker 1: was since I met her, about settling down somewhere and

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Speaker 1: putting in bags. I guess, yeah, so that even the

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Speaker 1: first the first day I met her, she I'm like,

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Speaker 1: where you from? She's like everywhere? So, yeah, guys, to clarify,

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Speaker 1: Leslie actually hasn't had a home home for like two years.

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Speaker 1: When she is in the stage, she's either at her

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Speaker 1: sister's in Texas, and she's yeah, she hasn't had an

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Speaker 1: days a month. Proposal was somewhere to put your bags.

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Speaker 1: It was kind of nice. Well, we had an actual

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Speaker 1: real proposal before we get Claire and Ben Watt on

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Speaker 1: the line. The Canadians came in hot yesterday. And you've

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Speaker 1: known Ben Waff for over like about two years now, right, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's been about two years. She just learned English two

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Speaker 1: a tough situation. Girl was full of gorgeous men, but um,

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00:22:46,520 --> 00:22:52,480
Speaker 1: I'm excluded from that. So these things change, answered profession

427
00:22:52,520 --> 00:22:55,240
Speaker 1: Things changed for me when, like I said, when I

428
00:22:55,280 --> 00:22:57,480
Speaker 1: got home and he just wanted to know if I

429
00:22:57,520 --> 00:22:59,600
Speaker 1: was good and if I was okay and how things

430
00:22:59,640 --> 00:23:02,240
Speaker 1: were an there was no like hate, There was no anger,

431
00:23:02,359 --> 00:23:05,640
Speaker 1: There was no bitterness or jealousy or anything like that.

432
00:23:05,720 --> 00:23:07,680
Speaker 1: He was just like, how did things go for you?

433
00:23:07,920 --> 00:23:11,399
Speaker 1: And um, that's kind of what started it. And I

434
00:23:11,480 --> 00:23:14,840
Speaker 1: was going, Okay, this guy is allowing me to just

435
00:23:14,920 --> 00:23:17,280
Speaker 1: be me and he's not giving up on it, which

436
00:23:17,320 --> 00:23:20,680
Speaker 1: I really liked, and um, that was the key thing

437
00:23:20,760 --> 00:23:22,560
Speaker 1: for me. And I've spent in a million times. I

438
00:23:22,600 --> 00:23:24,160
Speaker 1: want a guy that won't give up and it won't

439
00:23:24,200 --> 00:23:27,600
Speaker 1: run away when stuff gets hard or challenging. And even

440
00:23:27,600 --> 00:23:29,440
Speaker 1: though it was a challenge to for him to kind

441
00:23:29,480 --> 00:23:31,840
Speaker 1: of go through this like on his part, um to

442
00:23:31,880 --> 00:23:34,480
Speaker 1: be patient and stuff like that. It Um, I think

443
00:23:34,480 --> 00:23:38,399
Speaker 1: it paid off for both of us, obviously, But what

444
00:23:38,520 --> 00:23:41,639
Speaker 1: was your the question asked, UM. I guess it's with Christian.

445
00:23:42,000 --> 00:23:45,720
Speaker 1: Why why Um, you decided to try to pursue that longer?

446
00:23:46,520 --> 00:23:50,280
Speaker 1: So okay, the Christian stuff, he I think obviously everybody

447
00:23:50,280 --> 00:23:52,520
Speaker 1: can agree he's he's a very good looking guy. But

448
00:23:52,640 --> 00:23:55,320
Speaker 1: for me, the thing I really loved about Christian was

449
00:23:55,400 --> 00:23:59,280
Speaker 1: that he was more of like he would stand back

450
00:23:59,359 --> 00:24:01,840
Speaker 1: and just be like an observer and not being the

451
00:24:01,920 --> 00:24:04,879
Speaker 1: center of everything. Um, and I really like that. And

452
00:24:04,920 --> 00:24:06,520
Speaker 1: the guy I don't like the mystery. I think you

453
00:24:06,600 --> 00:24:10,800
Speaker 1: liked the mystery and it was more of um. He

454
00:24:10,880 --> 00:24:12,679
Speaker 1: wasn't just like look at me, look at me, look

455
00:24:12,680 --> 00:24:14,359
Speaker 1: at me, and not like the guys are like that.

456
00:24:14,400 --> 00:24:16,280
Speaker 1: But I've not attracted to do guy that's like that.

457
00:24:16,520 --> 00:24:21,919
Speaker 1: Like n Kevin used to walk around. Kevin used to

458
00:24:21,920 --> 00:24:23,600
Speaker 1: walk around the house. And this is my favorite. I

459
00:24:23,600 --> 00:24:27,080
Speaker 1: didn't care. Um. He would walk around shirtless in the

460
00:24:27,119 --> 00:24:33,800
Speaker 1: morning with his little Canada happenhone. I like, like, oh yeah,

461
00:24:33,840 --> 00:24:36,320
Speaker 1: he used to have a scarf. He was totally topless

462
00:24:36,359 --> 00:24:40,800
Speaker 1: with a Canadian scarf and a Canadian beanie. But it

463
00:24:40,960 --> 00:24:44,720
Speaker 1: sounds very gased on, like like a little obnoxious, a

464
00:24:44,760 --> 00:24:47,320
Speaker 1: little showy. But I thought it was the hottest thing ever.

465
00:24:48,240 --> 00:24:55,359
Speaker 1: Of course, of course obviously yeah, no, but it was.

466
00:24:55,520 --> 00:24:57,720
Speaker 1: It was That's that's what I liked about Christian. I

467
00:24:57,840 --> 00:24:59,480
Speaker 1: was like, exactly like you say, it was the mystery

468
00:24:59,520 --> 00:25:02,000
Speaker 1: of it, um. And it wasn't, like I said, for

469
00:25:02,160 --> 00:25:04,439
Speaker 1: lack of anything on Ben wats the hat, But it

470
00:25:04,480 --> 00:25:07,159
Speaker 1: was more of like, let me take my time. I

471
00:25:07,200 --> 00:25:09,560
Speaker 1: need to decide for myself, and I've you know, done

472
00:25:09,600 --> 00:25:11,480
Speaker 1: a lot of work on myself since all these shows

473
00:25:11,480 --> 00:25:13,520
Speaker 1: and going through all this and going through heartbreak in

474
00:25:13,640 --> 00:25:15,800
Speaker 1: life that I said, you know what, I want to

475
00:25:15,840 --> 00:25:18,240
Speaker 1: do what's best for me, and I'm sorry if it

476
00:25:18,359 --> 00:25:21,320
Speaker 1: compromises other people's feelings, but I need to, for once

477
00:25:21,400 --> 00:25:25,239
Speaker 1: in my relationships, put myself first and instead of just

478
00:25:25,280 --> 00:25:27,359
Speaker 1: being all about the guy and throwing everything into the

479
00:25:27,359 --> 00:25:29,439
Speaker 1: guy like I used to do, and just get my

480
00:25:29,480 --> 00:25:33,480
Speaker 1: heart crushed, So that was huge for me, Claire. One thing, UM,

481
00:25:33,800 --> 00:25:35,439
Speaker 1: I didn't I didn't get the behind the scenes too

482
00:25:35,480 --> 00:25:37,120
Speaker 1: much between you guys, Like when I was watching the show,

483
00:25:37,200 --> 00:25:38,760
Speaker 1: I was watching it as a fan. I didn't really

484
00:25:38,800 --> 00:25:41,600
Speaker 1: know the Christian thing. I wasn't too in that circle

485
00:25:41,640 --> 00:25:43,200
Speaker 1: when you guys like, I had no idea even said

486
00:25:43,200 --> 00:25:51,400
Speaker 1: the word ACUSI the best ever. Um, But but I did.

487
00:25:51,440 --> 00:25:53,160
Speaker 1: I didt know Ben Wall prior to the show. So

488
00:25:53,200 --> 00:25:56,040
Speaker 1: the cool thing was watching um. Even when I did

489
00:25:56,040 --> 00:25:58,239
Speaker 1: The Bachelor at Canada with him, I knew he was

490
00:25:58,440 --> 00:26:00,879
Speaker 1: a super romantic, super gen new and guy, UM. And

491
00:26:00,920 --> 00:26:03,040
Speaker 1: I knew he had a lot to offer because even

492
00:26:03,160 --> 00:26:06,439
Speaker 1: in the house, UM, in Canada, there's a lot less

493
00:26:06,520 --> 00:26:08,439
Speaker 1: on camera, Like Ben Juan, I spent a lot of

494
00:26:08,480 --> 00:26:11,320
Speaker 1: time behind the scenes just talking about everything. And I

495
00:26:11,440 --> 00:26:16,480
Speaker 1: knew that he was this catch, Claire that you see today, right, UM.

496
00:26:16,520 --> 00:26:18,320
Speaker 1: And when he went home like it was his birthday

497
00:26:18,359 --> 00:26:20,320
Speaker 1: and we're all crying, it was like the worst. And

498
00:26:20,359 --> 00:26:22,040
Speaker 1: I was like getting ready to make him a cake

499
00:26:22,119 --> 00:26:28,239
Speaker 1: with the producers. UM, and yeah, we made we made

500
00:26:28,280 --> 00:26:33,520
Speaker 1: you a cake after you left. I'm sorry. UM. Anyways,

501
00:26:33,520 --> 00:26:36,639
Speaker 1: watching it unfold, it was like, I wasn't surprised at all,

502
00:26:36,720 --> 00:26:39,119
Speaker 1: Ben Wah that you pursued her. After that, there was

503
00:26:39,200 --> 00:26:41,640
Speaker 1: great footage of you guys in l a and like, um,

504
00:26:41,680 --> 00:26:45,040
Speaker 1: and I knew um, Like I just love that kind

505
00:26:45,040 --> 00:26:47,639
Speaker 1: of America or everyone watching the show got to see

506
00:26:47,720 --> 00:26:49,640
Speaker 1: the guy that I knew, not because you didn't even

507
00:26:49,640 --> 00:26:52,480
Speaker 1: get that great of edit on Bachelor of Canada, but

508
00:26:52,600 --> 00:26:55,280
Speaker 1: I this is exactly who you are. So it's one

509
00:26:55,320 --> 00:26:58,240
Speaker 1: of those like you didn't need redemption necessarily, but you

510
00:26:58,280 --> 00:27:00,840
Speaker 1: need to be shown in at your light And I'm

511
00:27:00,880 --> 00:27:02,560
Speaker 1: just so happy. I'm just so happy that on a

512
00:27:02,560 --> 00:27:04,680
Speaker 1: bigger scale, and like the American viewers got to see

513
00:27:04,680 --> 00:27:07,360
Speaker 1: you as this like really genuine dude. And Claire, you're

514
00:27:07,359 --> 00:27:13,000
Speaker 1: a super lucky woman. M M definitely, Claire. I think

515
00:27:13,040 --> 00:27:15,840
Speaker 1: that you show a good example of a girl who

516
00:27:15,920 --> 00:27:19,480
Speaker 1: has liked bad boys in the past or guys who

517
00:27:20,400 --> 00:27:24,919
Speaker 1: aren't there for her, and then you go and you

518
00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:26,600
Speaker 1: kind of fight it for a while, but then you're like,

519
00:27:26,720 --> 00:27:28,520
Speaker 1: know what I deserve as a guy who is one

520
00:27:29,240 --> 00:27:32,159
Speaker 1: in with me, who respects me, who like honestly just

521
00:27:32,240 --> 00:27:34,600
Speaker 1: worships me. Like what advice do you have for girls

522
00:27:34,600 --> 00:27:38,399
Speaker 1: out there? Who just find themselves always going for the

523
00:27:38,400 --> 00:27:42,639
Speaker 1: wrong guy. For oh Man, for me, I put in

524
00:27:42,880 --> 00:27:45,600
Speaker 1: years of the work on that because that's true. I

525
00:27:45,600 --> 00:27:47,800
Speaker 1: would always go for the guy. I don't know if

526
00:27:47,800 --> 00:27:50,240
Speaker 1: it's like some deeper from your but I would always

527
00:27:50,240 --> 00:27:52,400
Speaker 1: know for the wrong guys, the guys that weren't insssted

528
00:27:52,440 --> 00:27:54,800
Speaker 1: in me, the guys that didn't care, the guys were

529
00:27:54,840 --> 00:28:00,520
Speaker 1: just noncommiddle, afraid of everything, and it was just it

530
00:28:00,600 --> 00:28:02,399
Speaker 1: was hard. It was a hard pattern for me to

531
00:28:02,440 --> 00:28:05,359
Speaker 1: break because it was just a subconscious thing. I'd always

532
00:28:05,359 --> 00:28:08,160
Speaker 1: go for those guys, and I finally after this last one,

533
00:28:08,240 --> 00:28:11,359
Speaker 1: was like, I'm so sick of it. I'm literally going

534
00:28:11,400 --> 00:28:13,000
Speaker 1: to just take care of myself and do what I

535
00:28:13,040 --> 00:28:16,119
Speaker 1: need to do for myself and cultivate stuff in my

536
00:28:16,200 --> 00:28:19,399
Speaker 1: life that helps me grow, that helps me become a

537
00:28:19,440 --> 00:28:24,439
Speaker 1: stronger woman. And um, while doing that, UM, I did

538
00:28:24,560 --> 00:28:27,840
Speaker 1: become just that stronger woman. And it took a lot

539
00:28:27,880 --> 00:28:29,160
Speaker 1: of time, and it took a lot of work because

540
00:28:29,160 --> 00:28:31,760
Speaker 1: I wasn't always that, and I think people could see that.

541
00:28:31,760 --> 00:28:33,359
Speaker 1: In the beginning of when I first got on Baschtlor,

542
00:28:33,440 --> 00:28:35,760
Speaker 1: it was very like whatever you want, I just you know,

543
00:28:35,840 --> 00:28:39,920
Speaker 1: hopeless romantic but now it's it's it's about to me

544
00:28:40,080 --> 00:28:43,640
Speaker 1: setting standards and setting what you want, not settling for

545
00:28:43,720 --> 00:28:47,040
Speaker 1: anything less. Because there's a lot of crappy ones out there,

546
00:28:47,080 --> 00:28:49,560
Speaker 1: but there's the like the needle in the haystack that

547
00:28:49,680 --> 00:28:52,560
Speaker 1: make it all worth it and not sudden. You will

548
00:28:52,600 --> 00:28:55,719
Speaker 1: get that amazing man when the time is great, you know.

549
00:28:56,880 --> 00:29:02,600
Speaker 1: So ah, I love that. Okay. My last question for

550
00:29:02,640 --> 00:29:06,040
Speaker 1: you guys is probably one you've gotten a zillion times

551
00:29:06,080 --> 00:29:09,400
Speaker 1: this week, and that is what is the moving arrangements?

552
00:29:09,680 --> 00:29:15,400
Speaker 1: One of the moving arrangements. We already talked about it

553
00:29:15,480 --> 00:29:19,800
Speaker 1: a bit. I mean, Claire um for sure, like she

554
00:29:19,840 --> 00:29:23,240
Speaker 1: hates no. So this is one thing. I just hate

555
00:29:23,240 --> 00:29:25,680
Speaker 1: being cold. Like I hate being cold too. It's just

556
00:29:25,720 --> 00:29:28,400
Speaker 1: like I can't do it. My body rejects the cold

557
00:29:28,800 --> 00:29:31,360
Speaker 1: in a way that most bodies don't. I feel like

558
00:29:31,400 --> 00:29:38,400
Speaker 1: this is a very similar conversation. So but no, I

559
00:29:38,600 --> 00:29:41,240
Speaker 1: at first I gotta see a Sacramento, which I'm going

560
00:29:41,280 --> 00:29:43,160
Speaker 1: to do in two weeks. I'm going to come into

561
00:29:43,240 --> 00:29:48,080
Speaker 1: your in Sacramento and we're gonna spend time together. So yeah,

562
00:29:48,120 --> 00:29:50,520
Speaker 1: I'm gonna see the city. And if I fall in love,

563
00:29:50,680 --> 00:29:54,360
Speaker 1: which is probably what's going to happen. It would be

564
00:29:54,440 --> 00:29:59,600
Speaker 1: a good indication for for the future. So definitely, like

565
00:29:59,720 --> 00:30:03,520
Speaker 1: we're we don't want to skip steps for now, but

566
00:30:03,640 --> 00:30:08,240
Speaker 1: definitely we have like to maybe like always have a

567
00:30:08,280 --> 00:30:12,840
Speaker 1: look for for a long term also song. But right now, yeah,

568
00:30:12,880 --> 00:30:16,440
Speaker 1: focusing on uh first step, which is like getting to

569
00:30:16,480 --> 00:30:21,840
Speaker 1: know Sacramento, spending time together, um, meet our family or

570
00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:26,600
Speaker 1: side family. There's a lot of things that that had

571
00:30:26,640 --> 00:30:31,800
Speaker 1: to be said. And yeah, I've been speaking to you

572
00:30:31,840 --> 00:30:35,160
Speaker 1: Ben while at the at the table, and uh, you

573
00:30:35,200 --> 00:30:37,200
Speaker 1: did mention that you hadn't really told a lot of

574
00:30:37,240 --> 00:30:39,920
Speaker 1: your family. Back for taking my question, I was gonna

575
00:30:39,920 --> 00:30:41,840
Speaker 1: ask the same thing. Your parents didn't know when you

576
00:30:41,960 --> 00:30:45,720
Speaker 1: dropped a knee. Every everybody like trust me, guys, we

577
00:30:45,800 --> 00:30:49,239
Speaker 1: played that super well, like nobody knew and it was

578
00:30:49,320 --> 00:30:51,640
Speaker 1: it was perfect because it was only between me and her.

579
00:30:51,960 --> 00:30:55,320
Speaker 1: There wasn't like any anyone else that involved any spoilers

580
00:30:55,360 --> 00:30:59,080
Speaker 1: any um. So I kind of like that, but right

581
00:30:59,080 --> 00:31:01,800
Speaker 1: now I think that do because everybody is going to

582
00:31:01,960 --> 00:31:05,640
Speaker 1: have their opinions, not always the greatest opinions, but the

583
00:31:05,680 --> 00:31:08,240
Speaker 1: good thing is being able to isolate just ourselves and

584
00:31:08,320 --> 00:31:10,520
Speaker 1: that we didn't have to worry about anybody else's opinions.

585
00:31:10,560 --> 00:31:13,240
Speaker 1: It's irrelevant when you're in my shoes or his shoes.

586
00:31:13,320 --> 00:31:16,280
Speaker 1: It's like having to just just be ourselves and to

587
00:31:16,400 --> 00:31:18,320
Speaker 1: only worry about when each other thinks. It's kind of

588
00:31:18,400 --> 00:31:20,360
Speaker 1: nice to start it off that way. I keep coming

589
00:31:20,400 --> 00:31:23,640
Speaker 1: up with more questions for you guys, Um, Claire, your

590
00:31:23,760 --> 00:31:29,400
Speaker 1: zillion sisters. How excited are they? Oh my god, there's

591
00:31:29,800 --> 00:31:31,640
Speaker 1: somebody got it on video. And my sister was like,

592
00:31:31,800 --> 00:31:36,960
Speaker 1: oh way, Um, they're blown away because I'm I'm the

593
00:31:37,040 --> 00:31:40,680
Speaker 1: baby at the baby and the family. So there's it's

594
00:31:40,800 --> 00:31:44,120
Speaker 1: I think it's a double edged sword because I think

595
00:31:44,160 --> 00:31:46,640
Speaker 1: in there too, I'm kind of sitting here going come on, guys,

596
00:31:46,840 --> 00:31:50,120
Speaker 1: it's amazing, and they're going, your baby's sister Like, wait

597
00:31:50,160 --> 00:31:52,200
Speaker 1: a minute, then why did you get any did you

598
00:31:52,200 --> 00:31:58,680
Speaker 1: get any permission from Claire side? We we we talked

599
00:31:58,680 --> 00:32:00,560
Speaker 1: a bit with us, some members of her family, but

600
00:32:00,600 --> 00:32:04,880
Speaker 1: like there's so many women in there. They all they

601
00:32:04,920 --> 00:32:06,640
Speaker 1: kind of looked the same also, so I tried to

602
00:32:06,680 --> 00:32:10,560
Speaker 1: figure that out. Definitely, like it's not like that was

603
00:32:10,840 --> 00:32:14,480
Speaker 1: I was totally unknown for them, but definitely like we

604
00:32:14,560 --> 00:32:19,520
Speaker 1: have to um, maybe like yeah, just talk on their

605
00:32:19,680 --> 00:32:24,920
Speaker 1: regular basis and just get to know uh all of them. Yeah,

606
00:32:25,680 --> 00:32:28,440
Speaker 1: and a lot and last question, this one for real,

607
00:32:28,920 --> 00:32:33,400
Speaker 1: the Sparkler, the Neil Lane. How gorgeous is that ring?

608
00:32:34,280 --> 00:32:39,360
Speaker 1: I'm not looking at its real? When did you break

609
00:32:39,400 --> 00:32:43,480
Speaker 1: it out? Ben Wa? Actually it was the day before,

610
00:32:44,040 --> 00:32:46,720
Speaker 1: which is crazy, like, uh, we were doing this filming

611
00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:51,720
Speaker 1: on Friday and on Thursday I got that. Yeah, I

612
00:32:51,800 --> 00:32:54,120
Speaker 1: was talking to Megan. We already planned this a bit,

613
00:32:54,280 --> 00:32:58,240
Speaker 1: but I made my decision the day before, so she uh,

614
00:32:58,240 --> 00:33:01,240
Speaker 1: we kind of like see a bunch of rings and

615
00:33:01,440 --> 00:33:05,520
Speaker 1: none of them were really what I wanted. Um, and

616
00:33:05,560 --> 00:33:09,080
Speaker 1: I already spent her like before that a picture of

617
00:33:09,120 --> 00:33:12,560
Speaker 1: the ring that I would really want with some certain notification,

618
00:33:12,960 --> 00:33:15,240
Speaker 1: and it didn't have this that one, so in I

619
00:33:15,320 --> 00:33:18,360
Speaker 1: think less than for a twenty four hour, he made

620
00:33:18,360 --> 00:33:22,640
Speaker 1: a custom one on the spot for her already that

621
00:33:22,880 --> 00:33:26,000
Speaker 1: one in the back and I don't know in the

622
00:33:26,440 --> 00:33:30,800
Speaker 1: back door, but yeah, he popped that out of So

623
00:33:31,080 --> 00:33:34,000
Speaker 1: you got a custom Neil Lane ring without twenty four hours.

624
00:33:34,080 --> 00:33:40,480
Speaker 1: That's amazing. That's so yeah. No, VIC Bachelor life four

625
00:33:40,600 --> 00:33:43,480
Speaker 1: times a charm. We are so excited and happy for

626
00:33:43,520 --> 00:33:45,880
Speaker 1: you guys. Thank you so much for being here and

627
00:33:45,960 --> 00:33:49,320
Speaker 1: being our first, being your first interview as a public

628
00:33:49,400 --> 00:33:56,440
Speaker 1: engaged couple. Way, I love you, guys, love to so much.

629
00:33:57,280 --> 00:34:05,720
Speaker 1: Talk well, guys, that is just fab It's fun. It's

630
00:34:05,800 --> 00:34:09,520
Speaker 1: fab fit fun. Oh the joy of opening up a

631
00:34:09,520 --> 00:34:12,760
Speaker 1: new fab fit fun box. The smells, the textures, the colors,

632
00:34:12,880 --> 00:34:16,200
Speaker 1: And even though the calendar says spring doesn't start for

633
00:34:16,200 --> 00:34:19,000
Speaker 1: another month, fab fit Fund says it's here right now.

634
00:34:19,320 --> 00:34:22,120
Speaker 1: The springbox has arrived. Fab Fit Fund is a subscription

635
00:34:22,200 --> 00:34:26,160
Speaker 1: box with full size fashion, beauty, fitness, and lifestyle products.

636
00:34:26,200 --> 00:34:29,480
Speaker 1: All products are full size and you paid forty dollars

637
00:34:29,520 --> 00:34:32,680
Speaker 1: and cents each season. But each box is a value

638
00:34:32,800 --> 00:34:36,480
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662
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663
00:35:50,680 --> 00:35:52,360
Speaker 1: I feel like the show didn't do it justice. I

664
00:35:52,400 --> 00:35:58,640
Speaker 1: feel like it was like, no, I'm serious, I feel

665
00:35:58,719 --> 00:36:01,200
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666
00:36:01,239 --> 00:36:03,520
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667
00:36:03,600 --> 00:36:06,480
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668
00:36:06,480 --> 00:36:09,920
Speaker 1: it all and Um, I just was very excited, excited

669
00:36:09,960 --> 00:36:12,120
Speaker 1: to see where this goes, and we were both excited

670
00:36:12,120 --> 00:36:13,480
Speaker 1: for the show to come. But now we're kind of

671
00:36:13,520 --> 00:36:15,959
Speaker 1: happy it's over. To what's been the easiest thing about

672
00:36:16,040 --> 00:36:19,520
Speaker 1: being together off camera and what's been the hardest. The

673
00:36:19,520 --> 00:36:21,840
Speaker 1: hardest part is always distance and time change. It's just

674
00:36:21,880 --> 00:36:24,160
Speaker 1: that thing of UM. I like to wake up early,

675
00:36:24,239 --> 00:36:25,640
Speaker 1: she likes to stay up late, so you throw a

676
00:36:25,680 --> 00:36:27,759
Speaker 1: three hour time change in and that's a tough thing

677
00:36:27,800 --> 00:36:30,359
Speaker 1: to do, UM. And then just planning our next time

678
00:36:30,400 --> 00:36:32,920
Speaker 1: to see each other, Like that's the difficult part. Um.

679
00:36:33,000 --> 00:36:34,879
Speaker 1: The positive part is the excitement of that as well.

680
00:36:34,880 --> 00:36:37,160
Speaker 1: Like we met in Boston to see a playoff football game,

681
00:36:37,239 --> 00:36:39,480
Speaker 1: something I would never do, UM, but she had to

682
00:36:39,520 --> 00:36:41,239
Speaker 1: take me. I have no idea why you wouldn't do that.

683
00:36:41,239 --> 00:36:42,839
Speaker 1: I was like, what do you mean, of course, let's

684
00:36:42,880 --> 00:36:45,000
Speaker 1: do it. Yeah, it was just there was no question

685
00:36:45,040 --> 00:36:46,920
Speaker 1: for UM. So the excitement of it too, like I

686
00:36:46,960 --> 00:36:48,800
Speaker 1: want to Like, We're gonna do a hockey game this weekend.

687
00:36:48,840 --> 00:36:50,440
Speaker 1: She's never been to a hockey game. I've been to

688
00:36:50,480 --> 00:36:52,560
Speaker 1: a hockey game, but not in l a hockey game.

689
00:36:52,600 --> 00:36:54,520
Speaker 1: I have not been to the stable center for hockey. Yes,

690
00:36:54,560 --> 00:36:56,959
Speaker 1: So I mean it's fun to just kind of feed

691
00:36:56,960 --> 00:36:59,040
Speaker 1: off each other and what what we like and yeah,

692
00:36:59,160 --> 00:37:01,760
Speaker 1: and actually, what about what's been the easiest heart and heart?

693
00:37:01,880 --> 00:37:03,680
Speaker 1: I think that that is too. I think like those

694
00:37:03,680 --> 00:37:06,880
Speaker 1: conversations about distance are always like the ones that I'm like,

695
00:37:07,000 --> 00:37:08,880
Speaker 1: I don't know what you're talking about, you know, like

696
00:37:08,920 --> 00:37:11,960
Speaker 1: those are where we get a little bit more like feisty. Um.

697
00:37:12,000 --> 00:37:13,879
Speaker 1: But those are usually those are the only arguments we've

698
00:37:13,880 --> 00:37:19,200
Speaker 1: ever had. Um. So it's just the distance and UM.

699
00:37:19,280 --> 00:37:21,040
Speaker 1: But I think it's been pretty easy. We've gotten to

700
00:37:21,040 --> 00:37:23,160
Speaker 1: see a lot of each other lately, and I'm doing

701
00:37:23,160 --> 00:37:26,120
Speaker 1: my best just to relax on that topic. What's the struggle.

702
00:37:26,719 --> 00:37:28,719
Speaker 1: The struggle is I'm a little bit older, and I've

703
00:37:28,760 --> 00:37:31,000
Speaker 1: done a long distance relationship with a fiance before and

704
00:37:31,000 --> 00:37:33,080
Speaker 1: it didn't work out, and distance was kind of the

705
00:37:33,480 --> 00:37:37,040
Speaker 1: first thing that started that breakup. So I'm trying to

706
00:37:37,080 --> 00:37:38,560
Speaker 1: live more in the gray area and be a little

707
00:37:38,560 --> 00:37:40,800
Speaker 1: more romantic and just see where it goes on Ashley's

708
00:37:40,880 --> 00:37:42,680
Speaker 1: level rather than that black and white like what are

709
00:37:42,680 --> 00:37:46,440
Speaker 1: we doing right? Um, give it time, give it a

710
00:37:46,520 --> 00:37:48,319
Speaker 1: year before you worry about it. That's what I think

711
00:37:48,360 --> 00:37:50,640
Speaker 1: helps is if you give it a year and you

712
00:37:50,719 --> 00:37:53,000
Speaker 1: say we're not going to worry about it for a year.

713
00:37:53,239 --> 00:37:55,120
Speaker 1: I think that a year is a little long for him,

714
00:37:55,160 --> 00:37:57,240
Speaker 1: But I have been trying to give him a timeline

715
00:37:57,239 --> 00:37:59,680
Speaker 1: where it's like, please don't stop start making that a

716
00:37:59,680 --> 00:38:02,919
Speaker 1: real issue until this decide for yourself, six months, whatever

717
00:38:02,960 --> 00:38:05,240
Speaker 1: you decide, and then that's that, and then you don't

718
00:38:05,600 --> 00:38:07,520
Speaker 1: keep harping on it. Yeah, I don't want to harp

719
00:38:07,520 --> 00:38:09,239
Speaker 1: on it. I haven't brought it up in a long time. Yeah,

720
00:38:09,239 --> 00:38:15,080
Speaker 1: He's been great. And we're also very flexible, like work lives,

721
00:38:15,160 --> 00:38:16,799
Speaker 1: so it's easy for us to jump on a plane

722
00:38:16,840 --> 00:38:18,239
Speaker 1: and meet each other somewhere, and that's what makes it

723
00:38:18,239 --> 00:38:20,040
Speaker 1: a little bit easier and exciting. We're not both nine

724
00:38:20,080 --> 00:38:21,759
Speaker 1: to fives that have to be in our hometowns for

725
00:38:21,760 --> 00:38:24,360
Speaker 1: the whole week. We can meet up. I want to

726
00:38:24,360 --> 00:38:27,560
Speaker 1: talk about the two scenes that weren't in the episodes

727
00:38:27,640 --> 00:38:29,759
Speaker 1: that I think a lot of people were thinking that

728
00:38:29,800 --> 00:38:32,440
Speaker 1: there was a part of our relationship missing because what

729
00:38:32,520 --> 00:38:34,520
Speaker 1: you did was come to me in that little sitting

730
00:38:34,600 --> 00:38:35,920
Speaker 1: room and you said, I think I'm going to end

731
00:38:35,960 --> 00:38:38,879
Speaker 1: things with baby, and I want to start things with you,

732
00:38:38,920 --> 00:38:42,200
Speaker 1: like the Ashley chapter, which is so cute, But then

733
00:38:42,760 --> 00:38:46,200
Speaker 1: people didn't see any in between. They just saw us

734
00:38:46,239 --> 00:38:49,359
Speaker 1: going straight into making out at a Row Ceremony cocktail party. Yeah,

735
00:38:49,400 --> 00:38:51,399
Speaker 1: I think. I think the conversation I had with you, um,

736
00:38:51,440 --> 00:38:52,800
Speaker 1: like I said, I'm going to go talk to Bibby.

737
00:38:52,880 --> 00:38:55,440
Speaker 1: Bibby and I had one of those super boring friendly

738
00:38:55,480 --> 00:38:57,880
Speaker 1: talks of just like okay, that makes sense. There was

739
00:38:57,920 --> 00:39:00,000
Speaker 1: just no there was nothing. There's no good TV content

740
00:39:00,120 --> 00:39:02,480
Speaker 1: in that conversation. So I feel like they skipped over it,

741
00:39:02,520 --> 00:39:05,560
Speaker 1: which was okay. But our conversation that we had after that,

742
00:39:05,800 --> 00:39:07,719
Speaker 1: like our first kiss, that was the one that we

743
00:39:07,760 --> 00:39:10,279
Speaker 1: didn't see that. I was unfortunate. It was unfortunate cause

744
00:39:10,280 --> 00:39:12,279
Speaker 1: we talked for an hour on the couch and we

745
00:39:12,280 --> 00:39:15,080
Speaker 1: talked about everything. Yeah, um, and we had our first

746
00:39:15,120 --> 00:39:18,840
Speaker 1: kiss there. But yeah, it sucks you guys because um

747
00:39:18,920 --> 00:39:22,160
Speaker 1: what happened. We'll give you the short spark notes version

748
00:39:22,200 --> 00:39:24,800
Speaker 1: of this. Um he got back from his date with Bibby.

749
00:39:24,880 --> 00:39:28,200
Speaker 1: I think neither of them were enamored. And then Baby

750
00:39:28,360 --> 00:39:31,000
Speaker 1: came to me and she was like, who are you into? Um?

751
00:39:31,040 --> 00:39:33,759
Speaker 1: And I was like, honestly awkward. But the only person

752
00:39:33,800 --> 00:39:35,600
Speaker 1: I'd be into is Kevin, and I don't want to

753
00:39:35,719 --> 00:39:37,600
Speaker 1: step on your toes there. And she was like, oh no,

754
00:39:37,680 --> 00:39:39,719
Speaker 1: you should go talk to him. And I feel like

755
00:39:39,800 --> 00:39:41,759
Speaker 1: he kind of felt the exact same way, like he

756
00:39:41,800 --> 00:39:43,680
Speaker 1: wanted me to come talk to him. So we had

757
00:39:43,680 --> 00:39:45,759
Speaker 1: like a nice two hour conversation and then I went

758
00:39:45,800 --> 00:39:48,160
Speaker 1: into that cocktail party being like, I think he's like

759
00:39:48,200 --> 00:39:51,000
Speaker 1: pretty torn between us. You say that you would have

760
00:39:51,000 --> 00:39:53,040
Speaker 1: actually given me the rose, had the guys had the

761
00:39:53,040 --> 00:39:55,000
Speaker 1: power that week now, like I addressed on the live

762
00:39:55,040 --> 00:39:56,959
Speaker 1: show and they never showed it as well. But um,

763
00:39:57,520 --> 00:39:59,080
Speaker 1: you get that first date card and you have to

764
00:39:59,080 --> 00:40:01,640
Speaker 1: pick somebody within an hour, and you're like, and you were,

765
00:40:01,840 --> 00:40:03,080
Speaker 1: you were someone I did want to go on. And

766
00:40:03,160 --> 00:40:05,480
Speaker 1: I did tell her you've been spending all the time

767
00:40:05,480 --> 00:40:07,960
Speaker 1: in baby, you better take her tonight. Yeah. I encourage

768
00:40:08,000 --> 00:40:10,040
Speaker 1: him to go out with her because that was the

769
00:40:10,120 --> 00:40:12,040
Speaker 1: right thing to do, because he needed to like see

770
00:40:12,080 --> 00:40:14,600
Speaker 1: that through to make a decision. What about talking about

771
00:40:14,600 --> 00:40:18,040
Speaker 1: the coolness of Bibiana first, saying you'd go talk to

772
00:40:18,120 --> 00:40:20,879
Speaker 1: him because most girls would not do that so cool

773
00:40:20,920 --> 00:40:23,640
Speaker 1: and Jordan hadn't even got there yet. Had Jordan not

774
00:40:23,640 --> 00:40:26,080
Speaker 1: gotten there yet. No, No, it was more just I

775
00:40:26,080 --> 00:40:28,080
Speaker 1: think halfway through our one on one date, like we

776
00:40:28,160 --> 00:40:30,319
Speaker 1: joked about it recently, where we just both knew this

777
00:40:30,400 --> 00:40:33,200
Speaker 1: was a friend thing, so why why played out right?

778
00:40:33,400 --> 00:40:36,880
Speaker 1: And then the other conversation you didn't see, I guess

779
00:40:37,040 --> 00:40:39,480
Speaker 1: was yeah, our first kids conversation, but which was the

780
00:40:39,560 --> 00:40:42,960
Speaker 1: day after he ended things with baby. Well, guys, so

781
00:40:43,040 --> 00:40:45,680
Speaker 1: that's our story. And then it was it was smooth

782
00:40:45,719 --> 00:40:47,960
Speaker 1: sailing ever since. And you made me feel so confident

783
00:40:48,040 --> 00:40:50,120
Speaker 1: and comfortable what we had that I never had to.

784
00:40:51,000 --> 00:40:54,480
Speaker 1: I wasn't like crazy anxious, Ashley, because you were like, no,

785
00:40:54,520 --> 00:40:56,480
Speaker 1: we're going to end this together. I had so much

786
00:40:56,480 --> 00:40:59,840
Speaker 1: fun on this show just because you so nice. Kevin

787
00:40:59,920 --> 00:41:04,200
Speaker 1: is experiencing the opposite of what Luke is experiencing, because

788
00:41:04,320 --> 00:41:07,359
Speaker 1: all of America was like, he's Kevin's amazing and look

789
00:41:07,400 --> 00:41:09,640
Speaker 1: what he said to Ashley and blah blah blah, and

790
00:41:09,680 --> 00:41:13,760
Speaker 1: then oh they are not doing the same thing to Luke. Okay,

791
00:41:14,000 --> 00:41:17,800
Speaker 1: So Luke and Stossi seemed to have just a Nicholas

792
00:41:17,840 --> 00:41:21,640
Speaker 1: Sparks romance during that series, like on not on the

793
00:41:21,680 --> 00:41:25,400
Speaker 1: live show, but I couldn't believe how romantic he was

794
00:41:25,480 --> 00:41:29,719
Speaker 1: with her and the live show yesterday, he basically admitted

795
00:41:30,000 --> 00:41:32,600
Speaker 1: that was a showmance. Um. I know that you guys

796
00:41:32,600 --> 00:41:36,040
Speaker 1: have different perspectives on this. I know Kevin has gotten

797
00:41:36,120 --> 00:41:39,320
Speaker 1: really close to Luke. Um. I definitely am not defending

798
00:41:39,400 --> 00:41:42,880
Speaker 1: Luke and his decisions here at all. Um, despite our friendship,

799
00:41:43,560 --> 00:41:47,640
Speaker 1: he definitely needed to make it clear to Stacy how

800
00:41:47,680 --> 00:41:50,600
Speaker 1: he how he was ending things, and he definitely should

801
00:41:50,640 --> 00:41:53,239
Speaker 1: have kept in touch with her. Um, Kevin, I know

802
00:41:53,280 --> 00:41:56,040
Speaker 1: you have a lot to say about this. No, No,

803
00:41:56,080 --> 00:41:58,239
Speaker 1: I'm just trying to stay impartial because they're both my

804
00:41:58,280 --> 00:42:01,000
Speaker 1: friends and it's really easy to try trash the one

805
00:42:01,000 --> 00:42:03,520
Speaker 1: who made a mistake. But Luke was the first one

806
00:42:03,640 --> 00:42:05,479
Speaker 1: to tell me the other day or the day after

807
00:42:05,640 --> 00:42:07,760
Speaker 1: we filmed the live show that he made a huge mistake.

808
00:42:08,120 --> 00:42:10,239
Speaker 1: Like it's not like he's just some big No, he's not.

809
00:42:10,440 --> 00:42:13,080
Speaker 1: He's a great guy. He's a great guy. I think

810
00:42:13,480 --> 00:42:15,960
Speaker 1: he freaked and did not know how to handle it.

811
00:42:16,280 --> 00:42:17,759
Speaker 1: He knows he stuffed up. So the one thing I

812
00:42:17,800 --> 00:42:20,560
Speaker 1: will address about um Stacy and what she said to

813
00:42:20,640 --> 00:42:23,000
Speaker 1: Luke on the live show was there was a conversation

814
00:42:23,040 --> 00:42:25,239
Speaker 1: head between them. See after we were done filming we

815
00:42:25,239 --> 00:42:27,440
Speaker 1: had about three days in a hotel where they have

816
00:42:27,520 --> 00:42:29,319
Speaker 1: to finish some interviews and stuff, and we don't go

817
00:42:29,400 --> 00:42:31,399
Speaker 1: home right away, so we're off camera and we're all

818
00:42:31,400 --> 00:42:32,799
Speaker 1: just hanging out in the hotel. And we had a

819
00:42:32,800 --> 00:42:35,840
Speaker 1: dinner on our last night in Vermont, and Stacy was

820
00:42:35,920 --> 00:42:38,480
Speaker 1: very upset and it was noticeable to the whole table.

821
00:42:38,560 --> 00:42:40,320
Speaker 1: We all knew that something happened between the two. And

822
00:42:40,400 --> 00:42:42,719
Speaker 1: on that afternoon and Luke and I were taking a

823
00:42:42,719 --> 00:42:44,919
Speaker 1: couple of photos, like exchanging our jerseys out in the lobby,

824
00:42:44,920 --> 00:42:46,919
Speaker 1: and I said, why is she so upset? And he said, Um,

825
00:42:46,960 --> 00:42:48,839
Speaker 1: I had a conversation with her. I just don't see

826
00:42:48,880 --> 00:42:51,040
Speaker 1: this going far because of the distance. He's like, I

827
00:42:51,040 --> 00:42:52,920
Speaker 1: don't I like her, but like I'm just trying to

828
00:42:52,920 --> 00:42:54,879
Speaker 1: be realistic, and he's my age, like we're thirty four.

829
00:42:55,000 --> 00:42:57,560
Speaker 1: It's like you have to kind of know your path. Um.

830
00:42:57,640 --> 00:42:59,839
Speaker 1: And she came in noticeably upset, and me and her

831
00:43:00,080 --> 00:43:01,680
Speaker 1: became very close by this point, and I asked her

832
00:43:01,719 --> 00:43:04,000
Speaker 1: what's wrong, and in her like broken English, she said

833
00:43:04,000 --> 00:43:06,680
Speaker 1: to me, I think I'll never see him again. And

834
00:43:06,840 --> 00:43:08,440
Speaker 1: they did have a talk before, so I don't know

835
00:43:08,480 --> 00:43:10,719
Speaker 1: what exactly was said. And I'm not like Luke made

836
00:43:10,760 --> 00:43:12,120
Speaker 1: a lot of mistakes and this thing. He even said

837
00:43:12,160 --> 00:43:14,000
Speaker 1: he should have reached out to her. There's a bunch

838
00:43:14,040 --> 00:43:15,640
Speaker 1: of he didn't even follow her on Instagram, So there

839
00:43:15,640 --> 00:43:17,400
Speaker 1: was a few things that he was very regretful for,

840
00:43:17,840 --> 00:43:20,360
Speaker 1: but he there wasn't just no talk after saying like

841
00:43:20,440 --> 00:43:22,279
Speaker 1: ice dancing and then go home. And this was the

842
00:43:22,280 --> 00:43:25,520
Speaker 1: first time they spoke. There was conversations between the finale

843
00:43:25,600 --> 00:43:27,359
Speaker 1: that you guys all saw and the live show. You guys,

844
00:43:27,600 --> 00:43:30,279
Speaker 1: does anyone know why he did not say that on

845
00:43:30,520 --> 00:43:35,040
Speaker 1: the live show because that would have cleared up everything

846
00:43:35,080 --> 00:43:37,200
Speaker 1: because all he needed to say was we had that

847
00:43:37,239 --> 00:43:40,000
Speaker 1: conversation in the hotel. Don't you know that? Or or

848
00:43:40,000 --> 00:43:45,480
Speaker 1: how did you live in another country? Because to me, fine,

849
00:43:45,600 --> 00:43:48,760
Speaker 1: you know what? Like that. But that's not the argument.

850
00:43:48,800 --> 00:43:50,960
Speaker 1: The argument is he should have treated her more as

851
00:43:50,960 --> 00:43:54,640
Speaker 1: a friend getting off the show. Even if they different

852
00:43:55,160 --> 00:43:58,200
Speaker 1: necessarily agree with that because breakups are hard. So if

853
00:43:58,239 --> 00:44:00,239
Speaker 1: he had feelings for her and then he's come to

854
00:44:00,239 --> 00:44:03,960
Speaker 1: the realization that like she lives in another country, he

855
00:44:04,080 --> 00:44:06,520
Speaker 1: doesn't have to be friends with her or follow her

856
00:44:06,520 --> 00:44:08,840
Speaker 1: on Instagram or talk to her. But what he should

857
00:44:08,840 --> 00:44:13,040
Speaker 1: have said, was I flipped out, you live but jillion

858
00:44:13,120 --> 00:44:16,440
Speaker 1: miles away and I can't do it no matter how

859
00:44:16,520 --> 00:44:18,640
Speaker 1: much I like you, And that would have been fine

860
00:44:18,680 --> 00:44:20,680
Speaker 1: with me, But it seems like they had the time

861
00:44:20,719 --> 00:44:23,319
Speaker 1: to have that conversation earlier on she said she would

862
00:44:23,400 --> 00:44:26,000
Speaker 1: move to America for him, but then he just didn't

863
00:44:26,000 --> 00:44:28,280
Speaker 1: really address it. It was just kind of like, because

864
00:44:28,320 --> 00:44:31,160
Speaker 1: any dude who's wavering freaking out a little bit and

865
00:44:31,200 --> 00:44:34,040
Speaker 1: you guys explain what you think, doesn't want her to

866
00:44:34,080 --> 00:44:36,719
Speaker 1: move here. He's like, I've known you for two weeks. Yes,

867
00:44:36,760 --> 00:44:39,520
Speaker 1: I had feelings for you in the show. Now it's

868
00:44:39,560 --> 00:44:41,759
Speaker 1: real life, and I'm not ready for you to move

869
00:44:41,760 --> 00:44:45,160
Speaker 1: here too much. I think that was the miscommunication, was

870
00:44:45,200 --> 00:44:49,080
Speaker 1: that Stacey was so convinced that he was genuinely falling

871
00:44:49,120 --> 00:44:51,359
Speaker 1: in love with her, and she genuinely fell in love.

872
00:44:51,480 --> 00:44:54,160
Speaker 1: But seeing what I saw in that show, I would

873
00:44:54,160 --> 00:44:56,520
Speaker 1: have thought the same thing, exactly right. And all the

874
00:44:56,520 --> 00:44:59,239
Speaker 1: things he was saying to her was everything I think

875
00:44:59,239 --> 00:45:01,600
Speaker 1: a partner or someone in this situation wants to hear

876
00:45:02,160 --> 00:45:04,719
Speaker 1: you know like that. If not, if not, we have

877
00:45:04,760 --> 00:45:06,440
Speaker 1: a short period of time to get to know one another.

878
00:45:06,480 --> 00:45:09,279
Speaker 1: And he poured his heart out, and I think she

879
00:45:09,640 --> 00:45:12,600
Speaker 1: fell for an hook line and sinker, and unfortunately, obviously

880
00:45:13,160 --> 00:45:16,839
Speaker 1: he didn't should have fallen if anyone would. And I

881
00:45:16,880 --> 00:45:19,200
Speaker 1: am not defending him or taking her side. I'm not

882
00:45:19,200 --> 00:45:21,960
Speaker 1: taking anyone's side. But when you guys are in that show,

883
00:45:22,200 --> 00:45:25,320
Speaker 1: in that bubble, you're on an island or I equated

884
00:45:25,360 --> 00:45:31,080
Speaker 1: to like, you're in prison, prison island, whatever people choose.

885
00:45:31,920 --> 00:45:35,120
Speaker 1: He meant everything and she meant everything, and they're falling

886
00:45:35,120 --> 00:45:37,480
Speaker 1: in love and then the gates open and you're like,

887
00:45:37,560 --> 00:45:42,279
Speaker 1: I'm out of prison. Wait a second, I have to

888
00:45:42,320 --> 00:45:47,440
Speaker 1: disagree with you there. Yeah, I definitely disagree because Lillian

889
00:45:47,520 --> 00:45:51,319
Speaker 1: I our relationship started and it's it's never changed on

890
00:45:51,440 --> 00:45:54,520
Speaker 1: camera off camera. We've never acted any differently to one another.

891
00:45:54,560 --> 00:45:57,239
Speaker 1: We went in there hundred and ten percent ourselves. That's

892
00:45:57,239 --> 00:45:59,960
Speaker 1: why we clicked. That's why our relationship was so strong

893
00:46:00,000 --> 00:46:02,480
Speaker 1: from the big, very beginning, and it's why our relationship

894
00:46:02,520 --> 00:46:05,279
Speaker 1: still stands today and grow stronger every day the more

895
00:46:05,320 --> 00:46:07,279
Speaker 1: time we spend together. And it's why we've both moved

896
00:46:07,280 --> 00:46:10,040
Speaker 1: to America to make this work. You know, I do

897
00:46:10,080 --> 00:46:13,320
Speaker 1: live in different countries, but we've decided to move to

898
00:46:13,440 --> 00:46:15,520
Speaker 1: one country to see how this goes, because we know

899
00:46:15,560 --> 00:46:18,080
Speaker 1: it's real, because we were real in the show, and

900
00:46:18,120 --> 00:46:20,560
Speaker 1: in this equation, I put myself in staff issues. I

901
00:46:20,640 --> 00:46:22,920
Speaker 1: think if Courtney said, if Courtney was how he was

902
00:46:22,960 --> 00:46:24,799
Speaker 1: to me, and then suddenly at a dinner he was like,

903
00:46:25,400 --> 00:46:28,960
Speaker 1: you live in New Zealand, I live in Australia, I'd

904
00:46:28,960 --> 00:46:32,440
Speaker 1: be like you mother. You know. I get where she

905
00:46:32,480 --> 00:46:34,120
Speaker 1: comes from, and I get the anger and I get

906
00:46:34,160 --> 00:46:36,839
Speaker 1: the passion just because I'm a woman myself and I

907
00:46:36,880 --> 00:46:38,399
Speaker 1: did fall for a man on the show as well,

908
00:46:38,440 --> 00:46:40,839
Speaker 1: so I put myself in her shoes. And it would

909
00:46:40,840 --> 00:46:44,000
Speaker 1: be a very very difficult position to make yourself vulnerable

910
00:46:44,080 --> 00:46:48,400
Speaker 1: and then be shut down. So yeah, I cut you up.

911
00:46:48,680 --> 00:46:52,480
Speaker 1: I get I totally get it. I'm just trying to

912
00:46:52,520 --> 00:46:55,160
Speaker 1: sort of dig in to this guy that we all know.

913
00:46:55,600 --> 00:46:57,600
Speaker 1: I just want to clear up that I have spoken

914
00:46:57,600 --> 00:47:00,440
Speaker 1: with him. He has a lot of regret. Rat like,

915
00:47:00,440 --> 00:47:02,439
Speaker 1: it's not like he's after show being like, oh, f hurt.

916
00:47:02,560 --> 00:47:04,879
Speaker 1: She screwed me, he said, Dude, I should have reached

917
00:47:04,880 --> 00:47:06,279
Speaker 1: out to her. I should have told her that she

918
00:47:06,360 --> 00:47:08,520
Speaker 1: was important to me. I just knew with that it

919
00:47:08,600 --> 00:47:10,440
Speaker 1: wasn't going to go anywhere, and I should have been

920
00:47:10,480 --> 00:47:12,440
Speaker 1: more clear. He was very regretful and he feels bad.

921
00:47:12,480 --> 00:47:14,120
Speaker 1: He wasn't even defending himself. He was like, I just

922
00:47:14,200 --> 00:47:16,279
Speaker 1: feel bad. So he's a genuinely good guy. I know,

923
00:47:16,360 --> 00:47:18,800
Speaker 1: you guys know him like he's he's going to be

924
00:47:18,880 --> 00:47:19,920
Speaker 1: one of my friends for a lot of years. And

925
00:47:19,920 --> 00:47:21,520
Speaker 1: I'm not taking his side. He did mess up, but

926
00:47:21,560 --> 00:47:24,080
Speaker 1: he's he's he's sorry, and people are allowed to mess

927
00:47:24,200 --> 00:47:26,719
Speaker 1: up and there's still good people. I'm all for making

928
00:47:26,719 --> 00:47:29,719
Speaker 1: a mistake. Like Jordan, for example, he really screwed up

929
00:47:29,760 --> 00:47:32,960
Speaker 1: that we I said, I'll listen to him, like, give him.

930
00:47:36,000 --> 00:47:40,439
Speaker 1: He's a genuine guy. Would you know that, Grace, Yes,

931
00:47:41,080 --> 00:47:43,919
Speaker 1: that's just life. But Dane did it the other season

932
00:47:44,160 --> 00:47:47,600
Speaker 1: and he got massive lashes. Well that's what's so interesting.

933
00:47:47,600 --> 00:47:49,759
Speaker 1: I'm so glad you bring that up because this was

934
00:47:49,840 --> 00:47:55,759
Speaker 1: Dean this summer. People aided him and it was like,

935
00:47:56,120 --> 00:47:59,560
Speaker 1: did he mean to mess up? No? Did he kind

936
00:47:59,560 --> 00:48:02,479
Speaker 1: of just like muddle through and try and figure it out. Yes,

937
00:48:02,920 --> 00:48:06,600
Speaker 1: And I think hindsight now Luke's going like, oh, I

938
00:48:06,640 --> 00:48:10,799
Speaker 1: could have done this so much more respectfully. And the

939
00:48:10,800 --> 00:48:14,680
Speaker 1: problem with that is that is publicized, this is televised

940
00:48:14,680 --> 00:48:17,960
Speaker 1: it's it's filmed, everything's recorded, and the whole world he's listening.

941
00:48:18,000 --> 00:48:20,600
Speaker 1: So any little mistake you make everyone, if I'm taking

942
00:48:20,640 --> 00:48:22,799
Speaker 1: a side, I'm probably taking Stacy side, because this poor

943
00:48:22,840 --> 00:48:26,080
Speaker 1: girl just got hosed. But at the same time, oh

944
00:48:26,120 --> 00:48:30,200
Speaker 1: my god, our people mean the internet, Like if I

945
00:48:30,200 --> 00:48:33,600
Speaker 1: were Luke, I wouldn't even turn on my phone so painful.

946
00:48:33,719 --> 00:48:36,319
Speaker 1: And he has turned off comments, and we definitely want

947
00:48:36,360 --> 00:48:38,120
Speaker 1: him to come on the podcast and talk about this one.

948
00:48:38,160 --> 00:48:40,400
Speaker 1: He's ready. We are trying to get Stacy on the

949
00:48:40,440 --> 00:48:42,360
Speaker 1: line to tell a little bit about her side of

950
00:48:42,400 --> 00:48:46,040
Speaker 1: the story. She, you know, is in Sweden, so she

951
00:48:46,200 --> 00:48:52,920
Speaker 1: may not connect well and also may not answer Stasi. Hey, guys,

952
00:48:53,320 --> 00:48:59,640
Speaker 1: did you say the maseratis here the online? That's because

953
00:48:59,680 --> 00:49:04,440
Speaker 1: see is as fine and fierce as a maserati. All right, Um,

954
00:49:04,600 --> 00:49:08,880
Speaker 1: you are getting a lot of attention today, my lady. UM,

955
00:49:08,920 --> 00:49:12,799
Speaker 1: I would love to get more cheap since next start

956
00:49:12,840 --> 00:49:16,080
Speaker 1: on a light note. Um, there was a day in

957
00:49:16,160 --> 00:49:20,160
Speaker 1: the house that Stacy was just craving chips and salsa

958
00:49:20,560 --> 00:49:23,239
Speaker 1: so so much, and all she kept saying is I

959
00:49:23,320 --> 00:49:27,520
Speaker 1: just want cheaps and snacks, save chips and snacks and

960
00:49:27,800 --> 00:49:33,520
Speaker 1: neck And she just kept saying it like every teen minutes.

961
00:49:33,560 --> 00:49:37,600
Speaker 1: It just went cheaps and snacks. And then our executive producer,

962
00:49:37,640 --> 00:49:41,440
Speaker 1: who's the most wonderful man in the world, Bennett, he

963
00:49:41,520 --> 00:49:44,279
Speaker 1: was watching from the control room and he was so

964
00:49:44,560 --> 00:49:47,320
Speaker 1: sick of hearing her say this over and over again

965
00:49:47,440 --> 00:49:49,759
Speaker 1: that he walked from the other house warns them. I

966
00:49:49,800 --> 00:49:52,360
Speaker 1: warned them to bring more food for stuff. I said, like,

967
00:49:52,520 --> 00:49:54,680
Speaker 1: if you want to start to be kind, just bring

968
00:49:54,800 --> 00:49:59,239
Speaker 1: more food. And for three days it was cheap. What

969
00:49:59,440 --> 00:50:03,560
Speaker 1: do you think you're dealing serious? She can pack on

970
00:50:03,560 --> 00:50:06,640
Speaker 1: the grocery list. And so Bennett from the other house

971
00:50:06,760 --> 00:50:11,560
Speaker 1: trucks over in a snowstorm, thros chips at the counter

972
00:50:11,640 --> 00:50:14,840
Speaker 1: and he goes, here's Stacy, and then trucks back. It

973
00:50:14,880 --> 00:50:16,279
Speaker 1: was just it was one of those moments you kind

974
00:50:16,280 --> 00:50:19,000
Speaker 1: of had to be there for, but it was hysterical. Alright,

975
00:50:19,040 --> 00:50:21,879
Speaker 1: says we need to get to the nitty gritty. Unfortunately, UM,

976
00:50:21,920 --> 00:50:24,399
Speaker 1: I want to talk about your conversation that you had

977
00:50:24,440 --> 00:50:27,360
Speaker 1: with Luke in the hotel after the camera stopped rolling,

978
00:50:27,719 --> 00:50:31,000
Speaker 1: and how you interpreted that conversation and how he interpreted

979
00:50:31,000 --> 00:50:33,440
Speaker 1: that conversation, because I think he thought you broke up

980
00:50:33,560 --> 00:50:37,680
Speaker 1: and you did not. But Jesus, you know we've been

981
00:50:37,680 --> 00:50:40,320
Speaker 1: talking to you. I've been talking to See, to court,

982
00:50:40,360 --> 00:50:42,160
Speaker 1: me to leave this. I'm like I've been talking to

983
00:50:42,239 --> 00:50:45,440
Speaker 1: almost I think, to everyone, and I've been saying from

984
00:50:45,440 --> 00:50:48,080
Speaker 1: the very first week, for the very first days, that

985
00:50:48,200 --> 00:50:51,040
Speaker 1: we had not been like spoken to him at all.

986
00:50:51,200 --> 00:50:52,920
Speaker 1: You knew it, you know it's like me for me,

987
00:50:52,960 --> 00:50:56,279
Speaker 1: it's no sense to lie. And alright, guys, well it

988
00:50:56,360 --> 00:50:59,239
Speaker 1: sucks that it seems that our connection with Stacy isn't

989
00:50:59,360 --> 00:51:03,279
Speaker 1: very strong. Let's continue with what she was saying. I

990
00:51:03,320 --> 00:51:08,279
Speaker 1: think the mystery here lies in the miscommunication that they

991
00:51:08,360 --> 00:51:12,320
Speaker 1: must have had during that hotel conversation. I think this whole,

992
00:51:12,800 --> 00:51:16,520
Speaker 1: this whole experiment was, Yeah, there's a lot of miscommunication

993
00:51:16,600 --> 00:51:19,040
Speaker 1: between lots of people, and like a language barrier must

994
00:51:19,080 --> 00:51:21,520
Speaker 1: be a language barriers. Didn't think that. I didn't think

995
00:51:21,520 --> 00:51:25,080
Speaker 1: the language barrier was going to be such me in

996
00:51:25,120 --> 00:51:28,200
Speaker 1: people's relationship, but it is. I thought that they were

997
00:51:28,280 --> 00:51:31,400
Speaker 1: totally communicating. But I do think, um, what must have happened,

998
00:51:31,520 --> 00:51:35,319
Speaker 1: just from like our puzzle pieces that we have, is

999
00:51:35,360 --> 00:51:39,440
Speaker 1: that Luke probably sugarcoated the conversation with Stacy and she

1000
00:51:39,680 --> 00:51:42,279
Speaker 1: probably didn't take it as seriously as he would have

1001
00:51:42,400 --> 00:51:45,520
Speaker 1: liked for her to have. That seems very accurate. Yeah,

1002
00:51:45,719 --> 00:51:48,640
Speaker 1: I think I must have had a conversation where he's

1003
00:51:48,800 --> 00:51:50,959
Speaker 1: said a few things that in his mind he's gone, well,

1004
00:51:51,000 --> 00:51:53,040
Speaker 1: that's pretty much it. That's that's the end, that's the

1005
00:51:53,040 --> 00:51:55,680
Speaker 1: cut off. And then she's gone, well, you know, we

1006
00:51:55,719 --> 00:51:58,400
Speaker 1: talked about booking flights and the distance thing and whatever.

1007
00:51:58,520 --> 00:52:00,759
Speaker 1: And then maybe he's throw and in a few little

1008
00:52:00,800 --> 00:52:03,840
Speaker 1: things that suggest that maybe this relationship might not last.

1009
00:52:03,880 --> 00:52:05,960
Speaker 1: But I didn't actually realize that that was the cut

1010
00:52:06,000 --> 00:52:08,520
Speaker 1: off point. And then he's gone cold. And I have

1011
00:52:08,640 --> 00:52:12,600
Speaker 1: to say that I have had relationships with Americans and

1012
00:52:12,640 --> 00:52:15,319
Speaker 1: they try to like cut me off with a nice sugarcoating,

1013
00:52:15,719 --> 00:52:18,760
Speaker 1: and I'm like, okay, you still left room for hope,

1014
00:52:18,800 --> 00:52:21,480
Speaker 1: so I'm going to hang onto that. So if that's

1015
00:52:21,480 --> 00:52:24,359
Speaker 1: how I've been, I can only imagine. And that's a

1016
00:52:24,360 --> 00:52:26,200
Speaker 1: girl guy thing. That is a girl guy I think

1017
00:52:26,239 --> 00:52:28,279
Speaker 1: as a woman, you just want to be ruined. I'm like,

1018
00:52:28,680 --> 00:52:32,839
Speaker 1: tough enough, tell me you don't like you. It's like,

1019
00:52:33,000 --> 00:52:35,920
Speaker 1: come on, we have no hope. I feel like I

1020
00:52:35,960 --> 00:52:38,200
Speaker 1: feel like we have hope from what I've gathered. I

1021
00:52:38,239 --> 00:52:46,600
Speaker 1: feel like there's always hope. I feel like that is

1022
00:52:46,640 --> 00:52:50,399
Speaker 1: that Vanilla. I feel like I feel like you take

1023
00:52:50,440 --> 00:52:53,400
Speaker 1: away the language barrier and the distance and everything, and

1024
00:52:53,440 --> 00:52:55,879
Speaker 1: what Luke did in the hotel after filming, I feel

1025
00:52:55,920 --> 00:52:58,480
Speaker 1: like was ripping the band aid off, and anyone from

1026
00:52:58,520 --> 00:53:01,400
Speaker 1: America would have known it was over. That's actually my opinion.

1027
00:53:01,719 --> 00:53:04,839
Speaker 1: I think this was the one case where she went

1028
00:53:04,880 --> 00:53:07,560
Speaker 1: home thinking like I think he did say enough there,

1029
00:53:07,560 --> 00:53:09,759
Speaker 1: because she came down very upset. She cried to me saying,

1030
00:53:09,760 --> 00:53:11,480
Speaker 1: I think I'll never see him again. We didn't know

1031
00:53:11,560 --> 00:53:13,239
Speaker 1: we were doing a live show at this point, so

1032
00:53:13,280 --> 00:53:15,000
Speaker 1: she had no reason to ever come back to America

1033
00:53:15,080 --> 00:53:17,719
Speaker 1: unless it was to see him. Um, And I feel

1034
00:53:17,800 --> 00:53:19,839
Speaker 1: just knowing Luke now, I feel like he would have.

1035
00:53:20,320 --> 00:53:22,040
Speaker 1: He was very like, I gotta talk to her tonight.

1036
00:53:22,040 --> 00:53:23,880
Speaker 1: He's like, I don't know where this is going, but

1037
00:53:23,920 --> 00:53:25,479
Speaker 1: I know it's not going to be I'm not moving

1038
00:53:25,480 --> 00:53:27,000
Speaker 1: to Sweden. It's basically how he said it, and I

1039
00:53:27,040 --> 00:53:28,480
Speaker 1: just think he should have said that on the live

1040
00:53:28,520 --> 00:53:31,040
Speaker 1: show and people would have. So I went for a

1041
00:53:31,120 --> 00:53:33,520
Speaker 1: run with him through Universal that morning, UH, and we

1042
00:53:33,520 --> 00:53:35,600
Speaker 1: talked about the live show. He's his exact words. Yeah,

1043
00:53:35,600 --> 00:53:37,040
Speaker 1: I'm excited to see Stas. It would be great to

1044
00:53:37,040 --> 00:53:39,360
Speaker 1: see her again. Like he had no idea that she

1045
00:53:39,440 --> 00:53:41,360
Speaker 1: was coming in hot Did he think something hanky was

1046
00:53:41,400 --> 00:53:44,520
Speaker 1: going on when he was not in the chairs with you, guys,

1047
00:53:45,280 --> 00:53:48,640
Speaker 1: not because I wasn't in the chairs. Weren't in Diana

1048
00:53:48,640 --> 00:53:52,480
Speaker 1: and Leslie weren't in the chairs in the panel of chairs.

1049
00:53:52,480 --> 00:53:55,600
Speaker 1: We weren't there until after the couples who were serious

1050
00:53:55,640 --> 00:53:59,120
Speaker 1: couples other than Lily and Courtney. We're all backstage. That's

1051
00:53:59,120 --> 00:54:01,480
Speaker 1: why Kevin and I new and see what went down

1052
00:54:01,480 --> 00:54:05,439
Speaker 1: between Luke and Saucy until yesterday. Yeah. Well, anyway, guys,

1053
00:54:05,480 --> 00:54:06,960
Speaker 1: I think that's all up for debate. And if we

1054
00:54:07,000 --> 00:54:09,640
Speaker 1: get a better connection with Stasi in the future, which

1055
00:54:09,680 --> 00:54:11,919
Speaker 1: I hope we do through FaceTime, audio or something, we'd

1056
00:54:11,960 --> 00:54:14,040
Speaker 1: love to have her on on a future almost on

1057
00:54:14,080 --> 00:54:16,359
Speaker 1: his podcast and Luke too, And hey, if they both

1058
00:54:16,400 --> 00:54:20,120
Speaker 1: want to come on together and that deeper conversation here,

1059
00:54:20,280 --> 00:54:23,280
Speaker 1: that would be great for us. What what I'm curious

1060
00:54:23,320 --> 00:54:25,799
Speaker 1: about from everyone listening is, I mean, I have a

1061
00:54:25,960 --> 00:54:31,879
Speaker 1: hundred emails in my email all bad about Luke right now.

1062
00:54:32,400 --> 00:54:34,680
Speaker 1: I want to know if anybody after listening to you

1063
00:54:34,680 --> 00:54:38,960
Speaker 1: guys explain is changing their opinion a little bit? That

1064
00:54:38,960 --> 00:54:41,440
Speaker 1: would be interesting. I think it's good for people to

1065
00:54:41,520 --> 00:54:44,600
Speaker 1: listen to our opinion because we were there, people weren't there,

1066
00:54:44,719 --> 00:54:46,880
Speaker 1: so it's really easy for them to jump to a conclusion.

1067
00:54:47,080 --> 00:54:49,480
Speaker 1: And I just want everyone to know that it's he's

1068
00:54:49,520 --> 00:54:52,120
Speaker 1: not defending himself. He actually feels terrible that he never

1069
00:54:52,160 --> 00:54:54,400
Speaker 1: reached out, like I want people to understand that. Like everyone,

1070
00:54:54,440 --> 00:54:58,719
Speaker 1: everyone come on and say that for him, and I'm

1071
00:54:58,760 --> 00:55:01,239
Speaker 1: sure he will. He's not not afraid that he would

1072
00:55:01,280 --> 00:55:03,279
Speaker 1: talk about this. I think he was just overwhelmed with

1073
00:55:03,840 --> 00:55:06,560
Speaker 1: her coming in so hot. He thought he was excited

1074
00:55:06,560 --> 00:55:08,239
Speaker 1: to see her and we're gonna go out after him,

1075
00:55:08,280 --> 00:55:09,920
Speaker 1: we're gonna have dinner together. So he just thought it

1076
00:55:09,960 --> 00:55:12,080
Speaker 1: was like a reunion for him to see her. Um,

1077
00:55:12,120 --> 00:55:14,920
Speaker 1: and I know he feels terrible now looking back. Common

1078
00:55:14,960 --> 00:55:17,719
Speaker 1: thing and all these emails keeps saying, I'm so confused.

1079
00:55:17,760 --> 00:55:20,359
Speaker 1: I'm confused. So I'm sifting through these emails right now,

1080
00:55:20,400 --> 00:55:22,719
Speaker 1: and I do want to go through at least two

1081
00:55:22,760 --> 00:55:25,960
Speaker 1: before we said goodbye. All right, we just got great

1082
00:55:26,040 --> 00:55:28,840
Speaker 1: news in it seems like Stacy, who is currently on

1083
00:55:28,880 --> 00:55:31,120
Speaker 1: the train, we'll have a better connection within the next

1084
00:55:31,160 --> 00:55:32,879
Speaker 1: couple of minutes. So we're going to try her back

1085
00:55:32,920 --> 00:55:37,200
Speaker 1: and see if she really can explain further um the

1086
00:55:37,239 --> 00:55:40,000
Speaker 1: conversation they had in the hotel room. But until then,

1087
00:55:40,239 --> 00:55:42,200
Speaker 1: we're going to go through some emails. This one's from

1088
00:55:42,280 --> 00:55:46,000
Speaker 1: Jennie and she says, Hi, guys, if you love a

1089
00:55:46,040 --> 00:55:50,520
Speaker 1: Bachelor franchise. This is from Jeannie. She says, Hi, guys,

1090
00:55:50,560 --> 00:55:53,200
Speaker 1: if you love the Bachelor franchise, listening to your podcast

1091
00:55:53,239 --> 00:55:55,239
Speaker 1: as a must. Thanks for keeping me smiling. Thank you

1092
00:55:55,280 --> 00:55:59,880
Speaker 1: so much, Jeannie. My question is why didn't any American

1093
00:56:00,040 --> 00:56:04,600
Speaker 1: eighties seemed to pursue Courtney in episode one? Happen very sweet?

1094
00:56:06,680 --> 00:56:09,239
Speaker 1: What happened is you know what, Courtney, I've gotten a

1095
00:56:09,280 --> 00:56:11,880
Speaker 1: lot of texts for my friends about you, like seeing

1096
00:56:11,920 --> 00:56:19,560
Speaker 1: if you're still single, because yeah, the American girls that

1097
00:56:19,640 --> 00:56:22,880
Speaker 1: I know really like you. Um, you guys know the

1098
00:56:22,920 --> 00:56:25,840
Speaker 1: words to the national anthem for the Bachelor. You guys

1099
00:56:25,880 --> 00:56:27,759
Speaker 1: know probably better than Kevin and I did. We did

1100
00:56:27,760 --> 00:56:31,200
Speaker 1: it on E the other days. I feel like Courtney

1101
00:56:31,200 --> 00:56:36,799
Speaker 1: would know the whole thing. Yeah, you know, when I

1102
00:56:36,840 --> 00:56:40,279
Speaker 1: heard the Bachelor Winter Games anthem, I thought, wow, I

1103
00:56:40,320 --> 00:56:43,640
Speaker 1: don't know if I should be here, and then fast

1104
00:56:43,680 --> 00:56:45,880
Speaker 1: forward ten days, which is the amount of time we

1105
00:56:45,920 --> 00:56:49,440
Speaker 1: shot for um, I thought, I am proud to be

1106
00:56:49,560 --> 00:56:52,840
Speaker 1: associated with this winter anthem. It was even when we

1107
00:56:52,800 --> 00:56:54,480
Speaker 1: were watching it last night, we all got off in

1108
00:56:54,520 --> 00:56:56,400
Speaker 1: the living room and put her hand on it when

1109
00:56:56,440 --> 00:56:59,120
Speaker 1: I said, left hand, left hand? Did you fall in

1110
00:56:59,160 --> 00:57:01,520
Speaker 1: love right from the star? Is that why no other

1111
00:57:01,600 --> 00:57:04,680
Speaker 1: girls picked up on you? Yeah? I mean, look, I

1112
00:57:04,719 --> 00:57:06,840
Speaker 1: can't speak for the other girls who didn't come and

1113
00:57:06,880 --> 00:57:09,799
Speaker 1: approach me, but I feel like that Lily and I

1114
00:57:09,840 --> 00:57:13,160
Speaker 1: did have a pretty solid connection from the get go,

1115
00:57:13,680 --> 00:57:16,720
Speaker 1: and I think that we kind of removed ourselves from

1116
00:57:16,720 --> 00:57:21,560
Speaker 1: the market almost on day one. Yeah, and although we

1117
00:57:21,600 --> 00:57:23,520
Speaker 1: never actually won a competition and got a single date,

1118
00:57:23,560 --> 00:57:25,680
Speaker 1: we did do our own little d I Y dates

1119
00:57:25,760 --> 00:57:28,320
Speaker 1: around the house, and so we constantly were sort of

1120
00:57:28,320 --> 00:57:31,120
Speaker 1: outside in the freezing cold just to be alone. So

1121
00:57:31,160 --> 00:57:33,400
Speaker 1: we again, we sort of removed ourselves from the from

1122
00:57:33,400 --> 00:57:35,360
Speaker 1: the situation, I think a lot of people knew from

1123
00:57:35,400 --> 00:57:37,960
Speaker 1: the very beginning that you know, those two are doing something,

1124
00:57:38,080 --> 00:57:42,280
Speaker 1: Let's leave them alone. Yeah, totally. Yeah. Her last question

1125
00:57:42,440 --> 00:57:44,400
Speaker 1: is was it as cheesy to shoot as it was

1126
00:57:44,440 --> 00:57:47,080
Speaker 1: to watch? Yes? And I think we loved that. We

1127
00:57:47,160 --> 00:57:49,120
Speaker 1: knew how self aware of the show was. We knew

1128
00:57:49,160 --> 00:57:51,000
Speaker 1: how they were going to edit the sports to look

1129
00:57:51,040 --> 00:57:54,200
Speaker 1: like it was an actual Olympic game. We knew that

1130
00:57:54,200 --> 00:57:58,240
Speaker 1: they were going to like add hilarious music, and Hannah

1131
00:57:58,280 --> 00:58:01,120
Speaker 1: Storm and Chris Harrison were going to really take themselves

1132
00:58:01,880 --> 00:58:04,640
Speaker 1: seriously in a really funny way. They're like, we're gonna

1133
00:58:04,680 --> 00:58:06,640
Speaker 1: pretend to be really serious about this, but it's all

1134
00:58:06,640 --> 00:58:11,160
Speaker 1: a huge joke. So I was really serious. You were

1135
00:58:11,320 --> 00:58:16,800
Speaker 1: really serious? Yes, I was like, Okay, calm down. How

1136
00:58:16,880 --> 00:58:20,840
Speaker 1: devastated were you, Kevin? At the speed skating obviously your

1137
00:58:20,840 --> 00:58:22,680
Speaker 1: strongest event. You knew you were going to win from

1138
00:58:22,680 --> 00:58:25,320
Speaker 1: the get go when the event was announced. How devastated

1139
00:58:25,400 --> 00:58:27,520
Speaker 1: were you when they said, and for the final, we're

1140
00:58:27,560 --> 00:58:30,200
Speaker 1: going to bring the two slowest people from each Hayden

1141
00:58:30,240 --> 00:58:32,160
Speaker 1: I was. I was upset, But then I knew how

1142
00:58:32,200 --> 00:58:35,000
Speaker 1: slow Ashley was. I knew she would be in that

1143
00:58:35,040 --> 00:58:39,439
Speaker 1: final heat, So so I did tell him before that

1144
00:58:39,720 --> 00:58:41,880
Speaker 1: I go. I thought that he was going to feel

1145
00:58:41,880 --> 00:58:45,000
Speaker 1: guilty if he won his second straight competition, so I said,

1146
00:58:45,320 --> 00:58:47,480
Speaker 1: can you please try your best? Because I wanted to

1147
00:58:47,480 --> 00:58:49,760
Speaker 1: go on a date with him that night. But then

1148
00:58:49,800 --> 00:58:51,920
Speaker 1: they flipped the rules on us and they're like, the

1149
00:58:52,000 --> 00:58:56,000
Speaker 1: losers are gonna go for it. So anyway, damn you Dean.

1150
00:58:57,320 --> 00:59:00,720
Speaker 1: All right, another we another email from our Yeah for

1151
00:59:00,840 --> 00:59:04,040
Speaker 1: us off, big fan of the pod and yours in general. Actually,

1152
00:59:04,040 --> 00:59:06,120
Speaker 1: I feel like we could be real life Bessie's, except

1153
00:59:06,160 --> 00:59:09,160
Speaker 1: you're so much prettier than I'm You're ridiculous, Um, but

1154
00:59:09,240 --> 00:59:12,120
Speaker 1: thank you. Also, I love everything that Amy has to say.

1155
00:59:12,400 --> 00:59:17,040
Speaker 1: Please keep talking please. Secondly, I loved Bachelor Winner Games.

1156
00:59:17,200 --> 00:59:19,600
Speaker 1: Maybe it was a different format or that everybody was

1157
00:59:19,640 --> 00:59:22,840
Speaker 1: just genuinely there to find connections, but it felt like

1158
00:59:22,880 --> 00:59:25,680
Speaker 1: the entire house came together and really bonded. That was

1159
00:59:25,720 --> 00:59:27,760
Speaker 1: so nice. Is like there was never a villain, Like

1160
00:59:27,880 --> 00:59:30,040
Speaker 1: we just got along so well, there was never any

1161
00:59:30,080 --> 00:59:33,560
Speaker 1: tension between people. Um, so many questions she has How

1162
00:59:33,600 --> 00:59:35,200
Speaker 1: long was filming? So it was ten days? Like I

1163
00:59:35,240 --> 00:59:38,200
Speaker 1: just said, Um, Ashley, who was your second favorite couple

1164
00:59:38,240 --> 00:59:42,240
Speaker 1: of the house besides you and Kevin? Super happy for you,

1165
00:59:42,280 --> 00:59:45,760
Speaker 1: by the way, our favorite. I mean you guys, I

1166
00:59:45,800 --> 00:59:48,080
Speaker 1: can't answer that. I mean, we can't answer. And if

1167
00:59:48,080 --> 00:59:50,040
Speaker 1: you got out the favorites announce it, you know, I'm

1168
00:59:50,040 --> 00:59:52,400
Speaker 1: not I mean I will still that. I mean, you know,

1169
00:59:52,560 --> 00:59:56,520
Speaker 1: my room my other two favorite couple. My other favorite

1170
00:59:56,560 --> 00:59:59,560
Speaker 1: couple was obviously Dean and Leslie, and they're not here,

1171
00:59:59,640 --> 01:00:06,520
Speaker 1: but those two couples are great. It was very Um,

1172
01:00:06,680 --> 01:00:10,320
Speaker 1: what is your and Kevin current relationships as boyfriend and

1173
01:00:10,360 --> 01:00:16,320
Speaker 1: girlfriend is official? The official official side. Yes, has been

1174
01:00:16,440 --> 01:00:18,200
Speaker 1: going to be the next Bachelor. Part of me hope

1175
01:00:18,240 --> 01:00:21,160
Speaker 1: so because he's so darn entertaining, but I also want

1176
01:00:21,240 --> 01:00:23,720
Speaker 1: him to heal himself and if it does, what do

1177
01:00:23,760 --> 01:00:26,280
Speaker 1: you think will happened to the podcast? That is so

1178
01:00:26,320 --> 01:00:28,600
Speaker 1: funny because I think that a lot of people interpreted

1179
01:00:29,680 --> 01:00:35,040
Speaker 1: his exit as the perfect exit to make him Bachelor again.

1180
01:00:35,360 --> 01:00:37,640
Speaker 1: Um would they do that? They know that they wanted

1181
01:00:37,720 --> 01:00:44,320
Speaker 1: him to be Bachelor again this year before we have

1182
01:00:44,440 --> 01:00:47,920
Speaker 1: done it before Brad Walmack had two seasons and he

1183
01:00:48,120 --> 01:00:51,040
Speaker 1: never he was never reflected in a positive light coming

1184
01:00:51,040 --> 01:00:52,959
Speaker 1: off his first season, which was interesting that it shows

1185
01:00:53,000 --> 01:00:54,720
Speaker 1: to do a second season with him, but with Ben,

1186
01:00:54,800 --> 01:00:58,360
Speaker 1: I think they would love to. He turned down the

1187
01:00:58,400 --> 01:01:01,840
Speaker 1: offer this year, but I do think that that Bachelor

1188
01:01:01,840 --> 01:01:04,840
Speaker 1: Winner Games exit is something that that cannot be his

1189
01:01:04,920 --> 01:01:09,760
Speaker 1: finale in this more watching that he does constantly refer

1190
01:01:09,880 --> 01:01:12,760
Speaker 1: to the fact that the franchise in the situation works

1191
01:01:12,800 --> 01:01:14,320
Speaker 1: for him, and you can see how it does because

1192
01:01:14,320 --> 01:01:17,920
Speaker 1: he wears his heart on his sleeve. He's the most open, vulnerable, loving,

1193
01:01:18,080 --> 01:01:20,680
Speaker 1: his best dude, one of the best guys I've ever met. Um,

1194
01:01:20,760 --> 01:01:25,040
Speaker 1: and he would make a bloody good Bachelor once again. Yeah.

1195
01:01:25,960 --> 01:01:28,960
Speaker 1: I don't think that that would happen this September, um,

1196
01:01:29,000 --> 01:01:31,680
Speaker 1: but I could see him maybe the following September. I

1197
01:01:31,680 --> 01:01:34,680
Speaker 1: think that this has proven that he's not ready to

1198
01:01:34,720 --> 01:01:39,400
Speaker 1: jump into that specific environment dating off camera. He's getting there,

1199
01:01:39,480 --> 01:01:42,360
Speaker 1: but he but not on camera again. Um. And then

1200
01:01:42,400 --> 01:01:45,280
Speaker 1: what if what will happen to the podcast? Any Oh,

1201
01:01:45,360 --> 01:01:54,360
Speaker 1: the podcast will not go anywhere Kevin and Ashley. Do

1202
01:01:54,400 --> 01:01:57,400
Speaker 1: you think that they'll do another Winter Games, um or

1203
01:01:57,440 --> 01:02:00,200
Speaker 1: something like this with international people? I would assume room

1204
01:02:00,800 --> 01:02:03,400
Speaker 1: that they are going to have more internationals on Paradise

1205
01:02:03,440 --> 01:02:08,720
Speaker 1: this season. Um. Bachelor Australia Court has already had Americans

1206
01:02:08,760 --> 01:02:10,880
Speaker 1: on it and that starts airing next month in the

1207
01:02:10,920 --> 01:02:14,080
Speaker 1: Canadian Yeah, I got from my seasons on Paradise Australia. Yeah,

1208
01:02:14,120 --> 01:02:16,160
Speaker 1: there's a there's a lot Jared's on there, and then

1209
01:02:16,200 --> 01:02:19,160
Speaker 1: so is Daniel McGuire. Yeah, yeah, well I was actually

1210
01:02:19,200 --> 01:02:22,200
Speaker 1: meant to be on Paradise this year or last year,

1211
01:02:22,360 --> 01:02:26,360
Speaker 1: and yeah, yeah, but then but then the whole current controversy,

1212
01:02:27,360 --> 01:02:30,240
Speaker 1: like you were going to roll in. Maybe he was

1213
01:02:30,240 --> 01:02:33,600
Speaker 1: in a hotel, you were at the Vedanta. No I wasn't.

1214
01:02:33,680 --> 01:02:35,880
Speaker 1: I was. I was on standby for my flot from

1215
01:02:35,920 --> 01:02:38,760
Speaker 1: Sydney and I was been to fly on the Sunday.

1216
01:02:39,080 --> 01:02:41,080
Speaker 1: And then it got to like midnight Saturday, and I

1217
01:02:41,120 --> 01:02:43,040
Speaker 1: hadn't heard anything, and I was just like, something is

1218
01:02:43,080 --> 01:02:45,320
Speaker 1: not right here. And then one of the producers called

1219
01:02:45,320 --> 01:02:49,600
Speaker 1: me three, I am Australia time, and just something's happened.

1220
01:02:49,680 --> 01:02:53,000
Speaker 1: We've canceled the show. We'll explain more later, but we're

1221
01:02:53,000 --> 01:02:55,800
Speaker 1: not flying you never. So yeah. So I think they're

1222
01:02:55,800 --> 01:02:59,880
Speaker 1: starting to explore that international thing and Australia did do it, okay, yeah,

1223
01:03:00,120 --> 01:03:02,560
Speaker 1: and okay, so assume that you'll see a foreigners on para.

1224
01:03:02,640 --> 01:03:04,520
Speaker 1: I think the game and I think they'll definitely be

1225
01:03:04,560 --> 01:03:06,439
Speaker 1: it on the Winter Games. I think it was more

1226
01:03:06,520 --> 01:03:08,920
Speaker 1: successful than they even imagined it could be. Going up

1227
01:03:08,960 --> 01:03:11,680
Speaker 1: against the actual Olympic. We won't have the Olympics next

1228
01:03:11,760 --> 01:03:15,160
Speaker 1: year and it'll be longer and then the viewership would

1229
01:03:15,160 --> 01:03:17,600
Speaker 1: be insane if there's no Olympics going up against it. Yeah.

1230
01:03:17,680 --> 01:03:19,000
Speaker 1: I got a lot of tweets saying it was more

1231
01:03:19,040 --> 01:03:21,280
Speaker 1: fun seeing you guys fall on skis than seeing you

1232
01:03:21,320 --> 01:03:24,280
Speaker 1: in bikinis on peaches. So it was a lot of fun. Yeah,

1233
01:03:24,280 --> 01:03:30,120
Speaker 1: it was a lot of fun. One again, there you are,

1234
01:03:30,560 --> 01:03:35,200
Speaker 1: I can okay. So when we lost you, Courtney was

1235
01:03:35,240 --> 01:03:40,120
Speaker 1: talking about that dinner very briefly. Can you reiterate just

1236
01:03:40,160 --> 01:03:43,840
Speaker 1: that final dinner stars uh, And obviously the cameras around,

1237
01:03:43,840 --> 01:03:46,160
Speaker 1: but um, you did start to tear up, and I

1238
01:03:46,160 --> 01:03:48,000
Speaker 1: remember came over and get you a little hug and

1239
01:03:48,000 --> 01:03:49,720
Speaker 1: ask you if you're okay and it Lily came over

1240
01:03:50,040 --> 01:03:52,640
Speaker 1: soon after. So the question I suppose is if at

1241
01:03:52,640 --> 01:03:55,640
Speaker 1: that final dinner you did tear up. I mean, obviously

1242
01:03:55,640 --> 01:03:59,080
Speaker 1: there was a conversation that you and Luke had didn't

1243
01:03:59,080 --> 01:04:02,240
Speaker 1: go too well, Is that correct? No, The thing is

1244
01:04:02,280 --> 01:04:06,320
Speaker 1: the kid was about this like fantasy twitz. And this

1245
01:04:06,480 --> 01:04:08,600
Speaker 1: does make me because because I said, like, I was

1246
01:04:08,680 --> 01:04:10,720
Speaker 1: never gonna do it, and he knew it from the beginning.

1247
01:04:10,760 --> 01:04:12,680
Speaker 1: You know, for me, it's like to take so much

1248
01:04:12,720 --> 01:04:15,320
Speaker 1: time to get closed first and even you know that

1249
01:04:15,400 --> 01:04:17,600
Speaker 1: it's two for me, two weeks, two kids. I had

1250
01:04:17,680 --> 01:04:19,840
Speaker 1: to like keising for the the first time. So that's why

1251
01:04:19,840 --> 01:04:22,000
Speaker 1: I always said, like I knew that, like yeah, princpal

1252
01:04:22,040 --> 01:04:24,280
Speaker 1: sweet for us, it was a patibus. It's just maybe

1253
01:04:24,320 --> 01:04:28,760
Speaker 1: spent like an hour of talking. He's referring to when

1254
01:04:28,760 --> 01:04:31,360
Speaker 1: we were in the hotel after filming and we had

1255
01:04:31,360 --> 01:04:33,640
Speaker 1: a final dinner the night before we flew out. I

1256
01:04:33,640 --> 01:04:35,760
Speaker 1: remember you were really upset when we we came down

1257
01:04:35,760 --> 01:04:40,720
Speaker 1: to the town dinner. Yeah, yeah, like when we went

1258
01:04:40,760 --> 01:04:44,000
Speaker 1: down to East together. Yes, yeah, yeah, but yeah, we

1259
01:04:44,280 --> 01:04:46,480
Speaker 1: have talked, but like it wasn't about this. It's just

1260
01:04:46,520 --> 01:04:48,360
Speaker 1: like I didn't like how peop were like what he

1261
01:04:48,440 --> 01:04:50,840
Speaker 1: were saying before, Like I don't want to say now

1262
01:04:51,040 --> 01:04:52,920
Speaker 1: for us what he did you say? This was not

1263
01:04:53,040 --> 01:04:58,120
Speaker 1: dedicated to me. Basically, it was more about like production house,

1264
01:04:58,160 --> 01:05:00,600
Speaker 1: a buchel of ward like World War you know. And

1265
01:05:00,600 --> 01:05:02,360
Speaker 1: I supposed to him like I'm shocked if I knew

1266
01:05:02,360 --> 01:05:04,280
Speaker 1: he's gonna be like this, I will never even time

1267
01:05:04,400 --> 01:05:07,360
Speaker 1: here because like I didn't got here for pay more top.

1268
01:05:07,600 --> 01:05:10,080
Speaker 1: So that's why I was so upset. I was like, Jesus,

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01:05:10,200 --> 01:05:13,000
Speaker 1: is it you horse saying this to me, and I

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01:05:13,040 --> 01:05:15,280
Speaker 1: was like set, but he was trying anyway, like to

1271
01:05:15,880 --> 01:05:18,040
Speaker 1: get along to me until do you remember she was

1272
01:05:18,120 --> 01:05:20,800
Speaker 1: like asking me to get dance with me or dancing

1273
01:05:21,040 --> 01:05:25,000
Speaker 1: remember in like a lagnana like ask no, can it

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01:05:25,160 --> 01:05:28,160
Speaker 1: grow and dance together half of my bucket whatever? So

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01:05:28,320 --> 01:05:32,800
Speaker 1: that what makes me SETI Yeah, you're under the impression,

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01:05:33,800 --> 01:05:37,240
Speaker 1: you know, like I know just like you know as

1277
01:05:37,360 --> 01:05:39,520
Speaker 1: she has a mom and that it's probably gonna like

1278
01:05:39,680 --> 01:05:42,040
Speaker 1: listen to this now. I don't want to hurt them

1279
01:05:42,080 --> 01:05:45,080
Speaker 1: because they do doesn't better, Like I respect his family

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01:05:45,520 --> 01:05:49,640
Speaker 1: and I still whish is nothing nothing better to him,

1281
01:05:49,760 --> 01:05:52,360
Speaker 1: just the best, Like I'm sorry to this keype of

1282
01:05:52,400 --> 01:05:54,480
Speaker 1: stone and I'm said now that she gets so much

1283
01:05:54,600 --> 01:05:58,800
Speaker 1: negative like energy and comments because I don't want this,

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01:05:58,920 --> 01:06:01,480
Speaker 1: like really it was not my plen I I'm shore

1285
01:06:01,600 --> 01:06:04,800
Speaker 1: that it turns like this, and I hope he's fine.

1286
01:06:05,640 --> 01:06:08,160
Speaker 1: So when when you left ver montho you did, you

1287
01:06:08,240 --> 01:06:09,880
Speaker 1: were under the impression that you guys were going to

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01:06:10,000 --> 01:06:13,720
Speaker 1: see each other soon. Yeah, I was be honest, like really,

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01:06:13,880 --> 01:06:17,280
Speaker 1: I swear Kevin for the first three weeks, like when

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01:06:17,360 --> 01:06:20,560
Speaker 1: I was just thinking like okay, he like a lot

1291
01:06:20,760 --> 01:06:22,680
Speaker 1: you at least you will take my number inste like

1292
01:06:22,760 --> 01:06:25,120
Speaker 1: a face time or something, because I've been talking to

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01:06:25,280 --> 01:06:28,000
Speaker 1: all of you, you know, And but he didn't see

1294
01:06:28,160 --> 01:06:31,080
Speaker 1: like this is following me and Instagram. I was like,

1295
01:06:31,240 --> 01:06:33,560
Speaker 1: it's so childish to say that, Like what a fuck

1296
01:06:33,640 --> 01:06:35,720
Speaker 1: is the Instagram? But you know, even he didn't fold

1297
01:06:35,800 --> 01:06:38,200
Speaker 1: me there, and I was like, okay, it's that. It's

1298
01:06:38,360 --> 01:06:42,480
Speaker 1: really strange because we were talking about like tickets and stuff,

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01:06:43,000 --> 01:06:47,800
Speaker 1: and yeah, he was just very different, I guess. And

1300
01:06:48,160 --> 01:06:51,320
Speaker 1: we didn't have any contact, but like after a month's

1301
01:06:51,360 --> 01:06:54,360
Speaker 1: I sent request on Instagram and he then followed me back.

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01:06:54,400 --> 01:06:57,160
Speaker 1: I was like, yeah, that is a huge step in relationship.

1303
01:06:57,840 --> 01:07:00,840
Speaker 1: I guess after this all to a role too so

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01:07:01,080 --> 01:07:03,360
Speaker 1: and then yeah, like I said, I said, we didn't say,

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01:07:03,400 --> 01:07:08,720
Speaker 1: we never told. I realized that person, and like I

1306
01:07:08,800 --> 01:07:12,600
Speaker 1: think got what he was interested and what he wanted

1307
01:07:12,920 --> 01:07:15,160
Speaker 1: out of the show that kids was such a gentleman

1308
01:07:15,520 --> 01:07:19,960
Speaker 1: on the picture, you know, on the three and I

1309
01:07:19,960 --> 01:07:22,400
Speaker 1: don't know what this day. Yeah, one other thing that

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01:07:22,480 --> 01:07:25,360
Speaker 1: we saw stars and for those of you who didn't

1311
01:07:25,400 --> 01:07:27,840
Speaker 1: watch the tell all um, there was a moment where

1312
01:07:27,880 --> 01:07:30,920
Speaker 1: Chris Harrison through to an ad break and then the

1313
01:07:31,000 --> 01:07:33,760
Speaker 1: cameras actually didn't turn off and they kept rolling. Oh

1314
01:07:33,840 --> 01:07:36,240
Speaker 1: my god, you guys had a conversation. Yeah, and like

1315
01:07:36,360 --> 01:07:38,880
Speaker 1: I looked such a like a a such a drama

1316
01:07:38,960 --> 01:07:44,120
Speaker 1: queens and my face looked so wrinkled cold one while

1317
01:07:44,760 --> 01:07:46,400
Speaker 1: on one I didn't use that the cutar camera was

1318
01:07:46,560 --> 01:07:49,680
Speaker 1: on because I didn't, you know, in a court, I

1319
01:07:49,800 --> 01:07:52,040
Speaker 1: was called in my tears like during the full show,

1320
01:07:52,120 --> 01:07:54,480
Speaker 1: because I didn't want to be dramatic. I didn't want

1321
01:07:54,520 --> 01:07:56,880
Speaker 1: to make people like feel story from me, like oh

1322
01:07:56,960 --> 01:07:59,080
Speaker 1: my god to a girl. You know, that was not

1323
01:07:59,240 --> 01:08:01,400
Speaker 1: my goal at That's why I was holding my tears

1324
01:08:01,760 --> 01:08:04,320
Speaker 1: through the whole talk to hint through the like when

1325
01:08:04,400 --> 01:08:08,200
Speaker 1: to show the video and every step yeah, um, you've

1326
01:08:08,200 --> 01:08:10,320
Speaker 1: seen like you're seeing me that I was so close

1327
01:08:10,400 --> 01:08:14,080
Speaker 1: to show my tears. But that was trying to note

1328
01:08:14,520 --> 01:08:16,880
Speaker 1: one thing we did see as well, that Luke kind

1329
01:08:16,920 --> 01:08:19,800
Speaker 1: of wasn't really answering any of your questions. And you

1330
01:08:19,880 --> 01:08:23,439
Speaker 1: were saying I genuinely felt that way about you, uh,

1331
01:08:23,600 --> 01:08:26,120
Speaker 1: and he was kind of just saying yep, yep, yep, yep.

1332
01:08:26,600 --> 01:08:29,160
Speaker 1: That court me, Like it surprised me that he didn't

1333
01:08:29,160 --> 01:08:33,120
Speaker 1: even look to my eyes. It's so disrespectful, like perfect

1334
01:08:33,200 --> 01:08:36,080
Speaker 1: all looked at that person's eyes and say, when you

1335
01:08:36,160 --> 01:08:38,360
Speaker 1: were staying on the profile that you've fallen in love

1336
01:08:38,439 --> 01:08:41,479
Speaker 1: with the person you gotta that is just so stupid.

1337
01:08:41,880 --> 01:08:45,680
Speaker 1: I swear I cannot deal with this. Like for me,

1338
01:08:45,880 --> 01:08:48,200
Speaker 1: that was definitely a point where I thought Luke screwed up.

1339
01:08:48,240 --> 01:08:50,599
Speaker 1: He had an opportunity to have a conversation with her

1340
01:08:50,680 --> 01:08:52,920
Speaker 1: that could have been personal without the cameras there, and

1341
01:08:53,280 --> 01:08:55,320
Speaker 1: it was kind of I said to Courtney this morning,

1342
01:08:55,360 --> 01:08:57,360
Speaker 1: it was like a conversation you'd have with your mom

1343
01:08:57,400 --> 01:08:59,920
Speaker 1: when you hate your You're sitting in the car having

1344
01:09:00,000 --> 01:09:02,080
Speaker 1: the argument with that kind of conversation you have when

1345
01:09:02,120 --> 01:09:07,840
Speaker 1: you're completely shutting down. That yep, yep yep to me.

1346
01:09:08,280 --> 01:09:12,719
Speaker 1: But he was someone can you just give me even

1347
01:09:12,960 --> 01:09:15,360
Speaker 1: you know, you saw everything from like aside, you know,

1348
01:09:15,680 --> 01:09:18,439
Speaker 1: and can you just answer to me how it's possible

1349
01:09:18,840 --> 01:09:21,559
Speaker 1: from all what you went through and you've seen how

1350
01:09:21,840 --> 01:09:24,720
Speaker 1: our relationship develops and you have seen us like this

1351
01:09:25,000 --> 01:09:27,920
Speaker 1: video amazing? What keeps you say? How keep you tweating me?

1352
01:09:28,479 --> 01:09:33,080
Speaker 1: How is even possible to be then like this after show,

1353
01:09:33,360 --> 01:09:37,400
Speaker 1: I'm like, I don't understand that, like you have you

1354
01:09:37,439 --> 01:09:40,600
Speaker 1: asked him that, since what's one more time have you

1355
01:09:40,640 --> 01:09:42,200
Speaker 1: talked to him or ask him any of these questions

1356
01:09:42,240 --> 01:09:44,920
Speaker 1: since the Life show? No no, no No, I told

1357
01:09:44,960 --> 01:09:47,320
Speaker 1: you I talked to him like twice, like when he

1358
01:09:47,400 --> 01:09:49,639
Speaker 1: asked like did you write to yes since your old

1359
01:09:49,680 --> 01:09:53,280
Speaker 1: folks okay event it was type in your year. UM.

1360
01:09:54,160 --> 01:09:56,479
Speaker 1: I think I think generally your biggest complain about him

1361
01:09:56,520 --> 01:10:00,080
Speaker 1: is there is a lack of sensitivity and people the

1362
01:10:00,200 --> 01:10:07,840
Speaker 1: viewers sentiment is there completely confused. UM. I know you're

1363
01:10:07,960 --> 01:10:10,240
Speaker 1: like at a train station right now and we have

1364
01:10:11,320 --> 01:10:13,080
Speaker 1: this is yes, and this has been a little bit

1365
01:10:13,120 --> 01:10:15,920
Speaker 1: of a broken interview. I was wondering if maybe in

1366
01:10:15,960 --> 01:10:18,200
Speaker 1: the future, would you be willing to talk to Luke

1367
01:10:18,280 --> 01:10:21,679
Speaker 1: on this podcast about like what actually went down without

1368
01:10:21,800 --> 01:10:25,040
Speaker 1: the pressure of all the cameras and the audience like

1369
01:10:25,160 --> 01:10:27,600
Speaker 1: I have. I don't see any sense to be in

1370
01:10:27,680 --> 01:10:30,479
Speaker 1: business like I don't need any more answered. I just

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01:10:30,600 --> 01:10:33,080
Speaker 1: wished him best of what really I do from both

1372
01:10:33,120 --> 01:10:35,519
Speaker 1: of my heart. You know, I'm not angry. I didn't said.

1373
01:10:36,400 --> 01:10:38,400
Speaker 1: We've been talking to all of you, had I said

1374
01:10:38,560 --> 01:10:41,840
Speaker 1: I want something better about people. Never I never said,

1375
01:10:41,920 --> 01:10:43,479
Speaker 1: and I will never do and I will never write

1376
01:10:43,520 --> 01:10:47,400
Speaker 1: anything got about you, but I don't see any like

1377
01:10:47,640 --> 01:10:51,719
Speaker 1: any sense because like this guy's wanted to get answered

1378
01:10:51,840 --> 01:10:56,040
Speaker 1: like no, just like your your weight. Okay, So you

1379
01:10:56,160 --> 01:10:59,519
Speaker 1: are now closing the book on this. Yeah, like what

1380
01:10:59,760 --> 01:11:02,400
Speaker 1: we talk about the people try to now dig life

1381
01:11:02,479 --> 01:11:05,439
Speaker 1: some kinds and try to again because he probably he

1382
01:11:05,479 --> 01:11:08,840
Speaker 1: actouldn't need to find another word like a synonym for word. Yeah, yeah,

1383
01:11:09,000 --> 01:11:11,840
Speaker 1: like really because he's find a good sydym because this

1384
01:11:12,000 --> 01:11:15,360
Speaker 1: I'm just killerous. I think people are gonna want to

1385
01:11:15,400 --> 01:11:17,360
Speaker 1: see you on paradise, get a second shot at love

1386
01:11:17,560 --> 01:11:22,920
Speaker 1: and see your wonderful personality. Would you do that? Uh?

1387
01:11:23,600 --> 01:11:27,240
Speaker 1: It's depends on which condition, like in which psychological conditions

1388
01:11:27,400 --> 01:11:29,960
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be, And it's depends which people is gonna

1389
01:11:30,000 --> 01:11:32,679
Speaker 1: be there, you know, like uh you know that after

1390
01:11:33,200 --> 01:11:37,160
Speaker 1: this world so all I've been asking, like why didn't

1391
01:11:37,160 --> 01:11:40,200
Speaker 1: you told me that? Like Lucy being this way you've

1392
01:11:40,240 --> 01:11:42,880
Speaker 1: heard about Kim Bloomers, you remember it was a personal

1393
01:11:42,960 --> 01:11:46,040
Speaker 1: stride because of like why why didn't he told me that?

1394
01:11:46,160 --> 01:11:50,360
Speaker 1: Like because I really got purposed and I just needed

1395
01:11:50,439 --> 01:11:52,400
Speaker 1: to be a real people if it to the people

1396
01:11:52,400 --> 01:11:55,639
Speaker 1: who didn't go there for like other reasons a lot.

1397
01:11:55,800 --> 01:11:58,360
Speaker 1: Then yeah, maybe I would last to be there, but

1398
01:11:58,560 --> 01:12:02,840
Speaker 1: the otherwise, thank you, but no, thank you. Okay, well,

1399
01:12:03,640 --> 01:12:06,519
Speaker 1: thank you for coming on. It means the world to

1400
01:12:06,680 --> 01:12:08,800
Speaker 1: us to get your point of view on all of this,

1401
01:12:09,160 --> 01:12:17,000
Speaker 1: and we love you very very much. By alright, guys,

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01:12:17,280 --> 01:12:20,840
Speaker 1: that is it for The Bachelor Winter Games and this

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01:12:21,120 --> 01:12:24,160
Speaker 1: episode of The Almost Famous podcast. Thank you all for

1404
01:12:24,280 --> 01:12:26,320
Speaker 1: being part of it. You guys are the greatest co

1405
01:12:26,439 --> 01:12:30,040
Speaker 1: host ever. We always end our episodes by saying, I've been,

1406
01:12:30,800 --> 01:12:35,760
Speaker 1: and I've been, Ashley, I've been, I've been, Lily, I've been,

1407
01:12:36,439 --> 01:12:38,040
Speaker 1: and thank you for watching the Winner Games. I love

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01:12:38,080 --> 01:12:43,240
Speaker 1: you guys. Bye. Follow the Benn and Ashley I Almost

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