Speaker 1: Nukes. Remember when when the only thing we really had
Speaker 1: to make fun of the president for his when he
Speaker 1: said nuclear Yeah, I remember that. I do remember that
Speaker 1: golden time. Yeah, these are these are nukes without that
Speaker 1: necessary process where you gotta spin them up, spin all
Speaker 1: the stuff up really fast for a long time. These
Speaker 1: are nukes that are just hanging out. It's not nukes.
Speaker 1: These these are materials that that are functioning as a
Speaker 1: nuclear reactor in the ground. Yeah. And also just like
Speaker 1: out of nature. And they're two billion years old. Uh
Speaker 1: and they are in Gabon, West Africa. And we'll tell
Speaker 1: you all about it. Here is this classic episode from
Speaker 1: UFOs two Ghosts and Government cover Ups. History is waled
Speaker 1: with unexplained events. You can turn back now or learn
Speaker 1: the stuff they don't want you to now. Hello, welcome
Speaker 1: back to the show. My name is Matt and Don
Speaker 1: Ben And right off the bat, by the way, stuff
Speaker 1: they don't want you to know. You know that you
Speaker 1: clicked on the thing you're listening to it. Some people
Speaker 1: have it on shuffle, you know what I mean. Yeah,
Speaker 1: well guess what this is stuff they don't want you
Speaker 1: to know. And right off the bat today we're going
Speaker 1: to talk about the thing that I got wrong. Uh,
Speaker 1: something that I don't know why I got it wrong,
Speaker 1: but I was just thinking, I think I got it wrong.
Speaker 1: Uh No, I don't. I don't know that you did.
Speaker 1: I think it was me because I just started rambling
Speaker 1: about it. Anyway, We're talking about A D and B C.
Speaker 1: And I said, I did the old thing that I
Speaker 1: guess I learned somehow in church. I don't know where
Speaker 1: I learned it, but the whole before Christ after death thing,
Speaker 1: and that's not at all what it is. Oh okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: we we know this. We heard your emails and tweets
Speaker 1: and responses, and a lot of people were really courteous
Speaker 1: about this. Uh. I think we just misspoke because it's
Speaker 1: something that we we both knew, and when we're doing
Speaker 1: a casual conversation playing with live fire, uh, some things
Speaker 1: can slip through. But Matt, go ahead and let us
Speaker 1: know what it. What it stands for. Well, it means
Speaker 1: Anno Domini, which is actually the year of our Lord
Speaker 1: a D. When you when you use a D. So
Speaker 1: my bad, you know, Matt. Honestly, I thought we would
Speaker 1: get a lot more listener mail from people who are
Speaker 1: angry at us because we were exploring the history of
Speaker 1: the Bible. Yes, even for having that conversation, but it
Speaker 1: didn't turn out that way, at least not yet. Maybe
Speaker 1: in a year after it's been floating around, we'll get
Speaker 1: some of that mail. Yeah, but thank you guys so
Speaker 1: much for listening. And today we would like to start
Speaker 1: the podcast with a story. In two, an employee at
Speaker 1: a French nuclear fuel processing plant notice something weird about
Speaker 1: the uranium or he was working on. All natural uranium
Speaker 1: contains three forms with different atomic masses. There's you two
Speaker 1: thirty eight, YouTube thirty four, and you two thirty five. Now,
Speaker 1: the last one is the most desirable because this is
Speaker 1: the one that you can use to sustain a nuclear reaction.
Speaker 1: And typically you two thirty five makes up only about
Speaker 1: point seven two percent of the ore. But the sample
Speaker 1: of this guy is looking at it had point seven
Speaker 1: one seven. Now it's a small amount, a small difference.
Speaker 1: But this guy freaked out because there's only one way
Speaker 1: that that can happen, and that's through a nuclear reaction. So, uh,
Speaker 1: this poor guy, of course, he as you said, he
Speaker 1: freaks out. He lets the scientists know, you know, hey,
Speaker 1: where's this ore from? What's going on because I think
Speaker 1: they have nuclear power somewhere. And the scientists trace this
Speaker 1: sample back to a place called the Oaklow uranium deposit
Speaker 1: in the highlands of Gabone or from part of the
Speaker 1: mind was way way shorter of uranium two thirty five
Speaker 1: than it should have been, As an article in Scientific
Speaker 1: American pointed out, there were about two missing and that
Speaker 1: is important because by way of measurement, that is enough
Speaker 1: to make about a dozen nuclear bombs. Wow. Yeah, so
Speaker 1: what the f is going on here? Been Yeah, that's
Speaker 1: what the yeah, right right, Well, the answer comes from
Speaker 1: much earlier prediction and they found as they were digging
Speaker 1: around in this happened in nineteen seventy two, right, they
Speaker 1: find the weird uranium. In nineteen fifty three, these two guys,
Speaker 1: George weather Hill and the co author Mark Ingram, argued
Speaker 1: that some uranium deposits might have once been natural versions
Speaker 1: of nuclear reactors. That's crazy. So what they what they
Speaker 1: postulated is that somehow a stray neutron caused this YouTube
Speaker 1: thirty five to split, and then it gave off more
Speaker 1: neutrons and it caused this chain reaction. Yeah. That last
Speaker 1: part is from a scientists named Paul Kuroda at the
Speaker 1: University of Arkansas. The are a couple of conditions, he said,
Speaker 1: for this to occur, the deposit has to be at
Speaker 1: least longer than two thirds of a meter, which would
Speaker 1: be the length that the neutron would travel. The second
Speaker 1: thing you need is enough you two thirty five. Today,
Speaker 1: most of the concentrated deposits can't become reactors because the
Speaker 1: U two thirty five is just too low, the concentrations
Speaker 1: too low. And today it's less than one percent in
Speaker 1: a deposit, but two billion years ago it could have
Speaker 1: been around three percent, right. And next, you'll need a
Speaker 1: neutron moderator of some sort, something that can slow the
Speaker 1: neutrons given off when a nucleus splits and make them
Speaker 1: more likely to hit and split other atoms. And the
Speaker 1: last thing is you have to have no substantial amount
Speaker 1: of boron, lithium or any other substances that would absorb
Speaker 1: the atoms and halt the reaction. So this sounds like
Speaker 1: a lot of stuff to have happened by chance, right, Yes,
Speaker 1: it turns out this all I actually did just happen
Speaker 1: as far as we can tell, in gabone about two
Speaker 1: billion years ago. And not just once, but about sixteen times.
Speaker 1: So physicists around the world studied this evidence. They looked
Speaker 1: at these natural nuclear reactors, and they all came together
Speaker 1: to share their work on this quote oaklow phenomenon at
Speaker 1: a special nineteen seventy five conference in the capital of Kimbo.
Speaker 1: And the fossil reactor wasn't just known for uranium that
Speaker 1: I'd like to read quote from Scientific American. When they
Speaker 1: were trying to figure out how this could happen, some
Speaker 1: of the neutrons released during the fission of uranium two
Speaker 1: thirty five were captured by the more abundant uranium two
Speaker 1: thirty eight, which became uranium to thirty nine, and after
Speaker 1: admitting two electrons, turned into plutonium to thirty nine. More
Speaker 1: than two tons of this plutonium isotope were generated within
Speaker 1: the oakload deposit UH. And the quote goes on, although
Speaker 1: almost all of this material, which has a twenty four
Speaker 1: thousand year half life, is since this appeared primarily they
Speaker 1: think through natural decay. Some of the plutonium itself underwent
Speaker 1: fission as it tested by the presence of its characteristic
Speaker 1: vision products. The abundance of those lighter elements allowed scientists
Speaker 1: to deduce that fission reactions must have gone on for
Speaker 1: hundreds of thousands of years. So not only was this
Speaker 1: a natural nuclear reactor that just sort of happened, but
Speaker 1: it also just sort of happened for hundreds of thousands
Speaker 1: of years. From the amount of uranium, they think that
Speaker 1: it released about fifteen thousand megawatt years overall, So the
Speaker 1: average power output was a little disappointing, a little less
Speaker 1: than a hundred kats, but still that's enough to run
Speaker 1: some toasters maybe, Yeah, and two billion years ago, toast
Speaker 1: was like the main thing. Man, if you didn't have toast,
Speaker 1: then who are you get out of here before anybody?
Speaker 1: Before anybody finishes that email, we know that there weren't toasters, yeah,
Speaker 1: or as far as we know, right, let's get it safe.
Speaker 1: So they were able to do some forensic work on
Speaker 1: this by analyzing zenon uh heavy inert gas, and this
Speaker 1: gas can stay imprisoned in minerals for billions of years,
Speaker 1: and because it's rare, scientists can use it to detect
Speaker 1: and trace these nuclear reactions, even those that occur in
Speaker 1: primitive meteorites before the Solar system happened. That's uh. Hold
Speaker 1: on a second, calculating understanding dope. Okay, so Ben, let's
Speaker 1: get to the met to this seriously, Yeah, how did
Speaker 1: this happen? Why? Why didn't when when it became this
Speaker 1: more volatile version of uranium, why didn't it just explode
Speaker 1: or decay further? Yeah? Yeah, since we're a family, should
Speaker 1: I guess the best way to say it is, why
Speaker 1: didn't the sleeve hit the fan? Yeah? And then we
Speaker 1: get all the rest of the uranium up into the
Speaker 1: fan and then just got all the change. Yeah. Uh,
Speaker 1: that's a great question. And from what we're seeing, at
Speaker 1: least everything we found is that the oaklow reactors kind
Speaker 1: of regulated themselves in a really neat way. The most
Speaker 1: likely candidate for this regulation would be groundwater. So here's
Speaker 1: what they think happened. They think that the nuclear chain
Speaker 1: reaction was happening and it was water around to act.
Speaker 1: Is that neutron moderator to slow the neutron so that
Speaker 1: they can continue the reaction as the as the reactor
Speaker 1: or in the reaction area maybe is a better way
Speaker 1: to say. It reached the critical level or critical temperature,
Speaker 1: the water boiled away, and then the chain reaction would
Speaker 1: have ceased and cooled off. Uh, to the it where
Speaker 1: water could come back and then it starts again. Oh
Speaker 1: that's crazy. So it was functioning as a nuclear reactor
Speaker 1: the way it the way we use them now, by
Speaker 1: dipping the rods into the water and then taking the
Speaker 1: rods out of the water and causing the reaction. This
Speaker 1: is it's crazy. Whoa man. That's weird to think about
Speaker 1: that a natural process could do the same thing that
Speaker 1: we spend hundreds and hundreds of millions of dollars to produce. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it just happened, and it but it did it over
Speaker 1: a long period of time. And still that's that's mind boggling. Okay,
Speaker 1: So when they're looking at the Oaklow reactor, they found
Speaker 1: that it switched on for about thirty minutes then off
Speaker 1: for at least two and a half hours. And they
Speaker 1: see this in almost all the deposits. So not only
Speaker 1: is the groundwater going over it and accounting for the
Speaker 1: self regulation, it protected these reactors from destruction. And in
Speaker 1: this way it was really effective. Not only was it
Speaker 1: not allowing any kind of melt down or explosion during
Speaker 1: these kinds of years, but it was just regulating the
Speaker 1: thing to an extent where you have this beautiful chain
Speaker 1: reaction that they can now see. And here's another weird
Speaker 1: thing that just happened. It stored nuclear waste really well.
Speaker 1: I mean, that's something that humans still haven't really cracked
Speaker 1: the code on. There are some amazing ideas as a
Speaker 1: matter of fact, about how to warn future civilizations, not
Speaker 1: necessarily humans, to stay away from nuclear waste, trying to
Speaker 1: come up with a universal sign that anyone from any
Speaker 1: time would be able to go, Okay, I'm not going
Speaker 1: near there. Yeah, it's crazy when you think about that.
Speaker 1: If the human race were to just die, right, something
Speaker 1: happens only only a few enclaves of people are a
Speaker 1: lot alive for a while, and then by a few
Speaker 1: under years they've dwindled and like the last person dies, uh,
Speaker 1: and then buildings crumble, great stone, mon immense also crumble.
Speaker 1: The season and the forest take over the cities, and
Speaker 1: eventually the only thing that an alien civilization would see
Speaker 1: there was a sign we were there would be nuclear waste,
Speaker 1: which is totally like because it would be anomalous to
Speaker 1: the natural settings, they would they would find the Oaklow.
Speaker 1: It would it would be like stumbling upon that of
Speaker 1: their own. Our version of the Oaklow reactors just now
Speaker 1: they're in these weird deposits. Why is all this uranium
Speaker 1: and plutonium over here? Yeah, and that's that's a that's
Speaker 1: a weird thing because although we have not cracked the code,
Speaker 1: we being the human species, not you and I'm at um,
Speaker 1: we do know that this proves a tremendously efficient nuclear reactor,
Speaker 1: if not a tremendously powerful one. And that's where we
Speaker 1: go to the crazy stuff, because we have been saying
Speaker 1: for the entirety of this podcast, and all of that
Speaker 1: just happened or did it? Oh, don't don't doom. So
Speaker 1: here's the deal. Uh. We talked about this in the
Speaker 1: vlog when we were covering this, and in the vlog
Speaker 1: we talked about how they buried the lead and one
Speaker 1: of these scientific American articles and they said, um, well,
Speaker 1: what maybe we should just do the quote. Okay, here's
Speaker 1: the quote. The Oaklow reactors may teach scientists about possible
Speaker 1: shifts in what was formerly thought to be a fundamental
Speaker 1: physical constant, one called alpha, which controls such universal qualities
Speaker 1: as the speed of light. Boom, I I can't think
Speaker 1: of an appropriate sound effect. Maybe our superproducer Noel has one. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's it. That's the perfect one, because that is mind blowing,
Speaker 1: the idea that all of these constants we perceive in
Speaker 1: the universe may not be as constant as we think.
Speaker 1: You know, they change if you're in another neighborhood of reality.
Speaker 1: It's possible. But we have to remember this is one
Speaker 1: one version, one one subject, one time that we're noticing
Speaker 1: that this constant isn't the same, right right yep. So
Speaker 1: any of you out there, you know, shrugging and going,
Speaker 1: oh god, they don't understand the just note that we
Speaker 1: we do understand that this is one instance of a
Speaker 1: constant that seems to not be the same righte light?
Speaker 1: It just sounds so emo. Now they just don't understand
Speaker 1: the speed of light. Um, yeah, it's true, and it's
Speaker 1: it's a really good observation because what we're finding is,
Speaker 1: uh is bizarre because we know that now a reaction
Speaker 1: like this probably wouldn't occur in the wild. There's simply
Speaker 1: not enough uranium in those deposits. So how how did
Speaker 1: it work? Deffinitely? Was there just more you two thirty
Speaker 1: five in the deposits? Did it somehow take less of it?
Speaker 1: Did nuclear reactions? I don't know. Worked differently. What we're
Speaker 1: seeing is that the fundamental concepts of the glue binding
Speaker 1: the spine of the universe into a book may just
Speaker 1: be non existent or as you said, just in our neighborhood,
Speaker 1: or Ben, here's the best theory. What if this is
Speaker 1: a sign of ancient technology. What if this was made
Speaker 1: this way? What if? What if aliens? Or what if
Speaker 1: we're the aliens who found the nuclear waste? You know,
Speaker 1: are we a butterfly having a dream, et cetera. Right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I can't remember. I'm kidding. We do remember the whole quote,
Speaker 1: but but it is a nice way to flip the perspective. So, yeah,
Speaker 1: what it was somehow made here's the deal. If it
Speaker 1: was made by people, and if ancient his three is
Speaker 1: remotely true, then uh, people would have to be around
Speaker 1: the way longer than we thought. It's if this thing
Speaker 1: really is two billion years old, then there's no one
Speaker 1: we know of who would be capable of doing that.
Speaker 1: People weren't around. We were just a twinkle in the
Speaker 1: universe's eye. Unless it's been so long since the previous
Speaker 1: iteration of intelligence on this planet, Ben, that we didn't
Speaker 1: find anything. Like you said, but the uranium deposit, which
Speaker 1: is weird because that from what we know about the
Speaker 1: formation of the Earth. Yea, whomever was surviving, right, who
Speaker 1: would be intelligent enough to create a nuclear reaction? Uh?
Speaker 1: They had to be some hard cases because Earth was
Speaker 1: a brutal place and billions of years ago. I just
Speaker 1: I don't know. We we received some interesting letters from
Speaker 1: people before about doing an ancient technology podcast, and we
Speaker 1: know that a lot of the skeptical folks listening in
Speaker 1: the audience will roll their eyes and say this is
Speaker 1: not worth it. But newsflash, Uh, there there really has
Speaker 1: been ancient lost technology that was rediscovered, right. No, yeah,
Speaker 1: you can look at the antiquathere mechanism. We we talked
Speaker 1: about that before in a video podcast a long time ago. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'd love to do an audio show about that. Then
Speaker 1: you even got the Greek fire, right, Yeah, that is uh,
Speaker 1: that was a weapon that the Greeks would use and
Speaker 1: the secret of making this was lost for a very
Speaker 1: long time. That's not the only example, of course. We
Speaker 1: can have an entire other show about historical or archaeological anachronisms,
Speaker 1: you know, things out of time batteries, right, yeah, Bagdad batteries,
Speaker 1: which I think was used for silver plating, but I'm
Speaker 1: not sure we'll wait for it. Ye, sorry, matt um.
Speaker 1: So we want to know what you think. Now we've
Speaker 1: gotten we've gotten some great letters about especially in uh
Speaker 1: South Asia areas, Pakistan, uh Bangladesh, India. We've gotten letters
Speaker 1: about various descriptions of what maybe ancient technology. And we
Speaker 1: know that historically India is a powerhouse of um brilliant innovations.
Speaker 1: You know a lot of If you're not familiar with
Speaker 1: some of the history of inventions and concepts that come
Speaker 1: from South Asia, then you know taken afternoon off, tell
Speaker 1: your bossy and I'll learn about the world. Yeah, right,
Speaker 1: doesn't everybody get a day off to learn about the world.
Speaker 1: And we'd like to know your suggestions of what sort
Speaker 1: of ancient technology we should look at and if you
Speaker 1: think it is possibly tell us this. Uh. Do you
Speaker 1: think it is possible that being that humanity we know
Speaker 1: it has gotten the entire story of history? Wrong? Uh?
Speaker 1: And when I when I say that, what I mean is,
Speaker 1: do you think it's possible that there could have been
Speaker 1: some other civilization that was responsible for um nuclear reactors?
Speaker 1: Because it looks like everything we see it looks like
Speaker 1: these just happened, as ridiculously weird as that sounds, and
Speaker 1: if you have to be explained perfectly, but they've been
Speaker 1: explained adequately, at least for me. Yeah. Yeah, it seems
Speaker 1: like just the lottery of strange coincidences and just right moments,
Speaker 1: unless that is somehow an intelligent force made them. But
Speaker 1: then the question would be, why haven't we seen anything else?
Speaker 1: Because you know, Ben, I hear that there are no
Speaker 1: coincidences that I hear. I got a fortune cookie that
Speaker 1: said that one time it was a weird moment in
Speaker 1: my life, so I was like, oh, this is also
Speaker 1: not a coincidence. Yeah, you ever have them in those
Speaker 1: days where everything seems laden with meaning and symbolic and
Speaker 1: stuff all the time. It happens to me when I
Speaker 1: don't get enough sleep, which is all the time. Alright, guys,
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