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And yes, it is PJ 0:00:56.840 --> 0:00:59.320 Championship Week final major of the year, final time that 0:00:59.360 --> 0:01:01.800 the pjh Hchip will be the final major of the year. 0:01:01.880 --> 0:01:04.760 So plenty that goes into this week as we not 0:01:04.800 --> 0:01:06.360 just look ahead to the next four days, but look 0:01:06.400 --> 0:01:09.080 ahead to kind of the historics. And so I asked 0:01:09.120 --> 0:01:10.840 Kyle Porter, a good buddy of mine, to come on 0:01:10.920 --> 0:01:13.600 and chat about the week, the year, who needs it, 0:01:13.959 --> 0:01:16.399 who doesn't really need the win, and of course what 0:01:16.520 --> 0:01:20.240 it's like to to cover Tiger Woods in eighteen Unlike 0:01:20.240 --> 0:01:21.880 a little bit of what we've seen in the past. 0:01:21.959 --> 0:01:24.360 You know, covering Tiger four or five years ago was 0:01:24.440 --> 0:01:28.600 golf related, but the last couple of years before it 0:01:28.680 --> 0:01:31.840 was more about, um, the stuff around the golf. It 0:01:31.880 --> 0:01:33.959 was more about, you know, the injuries and the w 0:01:34.120 --> 0:01:37.479 d s and the and the the pain he's gone 0:01:37.480 --> 0:01:39.839 through and all of those things. So it was interested 0:01:39.840 --> 0:01:41.400 to have him come on and just chat a little 0:01:41.440 --> 0:01:43.120 bit about that. 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Stop carrying around the golf 0:02:37.080 --> 0:02:39.120 bag you've had since the nineties. It's time for an 0:02:39.200 --> 0:02:42.320 upgrade Osio the world's best bags. All right, Colin, I 0:02:42.360 --> 0:02:45.560 went fairly long, so let's get right to it, and 0:02:45.600 --> 0:02:47.640 we welcome back into the clubhouse. It's it's been a 0:02:47.639 --> 0:02:50.679 bit cole porter. You know Kyle from CBS Sports. He 0:02:50.720 --> 0:02:52.880 does an unbelievable job with the golf stuff over there. 0:02:53.160 --> 0:02:55.760 And also you might not know this, but Kyle helps 0:02:55.760 --> 0:02:59.200 out with Pistols Firing blog dot com, which focuses on 0:02:59.200 --> 0:03:02.080 Oklahoma State football. As we fast approached it and Kyle, 0:03:02.200 --> 0:03:03.640 this might be one of the first times ever that 0:03:03.720 --> 0:03:07.200 Arizona landed a cover of Sports Illustrated. And maybe Oklahoma 0:03:07.240 --> 0:03:10.000 State was not involved in that. I mean, Arizona football 0:03:10.000 --> 0:03:13.440 actually getting a little love. How nervous are you about that? Um? 0:03:13.480 --> 0:03:15.880 I texted Joel Klatt yesterday and I told him I 0:03:15.960 --> 0:03:18.120 thought that his top twenty five videos were great, and 0:03:18.160 --> 0:03:20.480 all he wrote back was I didn't have Arizona in 0:03:20.560 --> 0:03:22.960 my top and I was like, well, thanks, just literally 0:03:22.960 --> 0:03:25.040 the only thing I ever asked. But people came here 0:03:25.040 --> 0:03:27.280 for some golf talk. Of course, it's PJA Championship week. 0:03:27.280 --> 0:03:29.400 And let me just say, for the last time, I'm 0:03:29.440 --> 0:03:31.680 gonna say it, despite everybody hating the fact that we 0:03:31.720 --> 0:03:35.480 still bring it up. This is truly Glory's last shot. 0:03:35.600 --> 0:03:37.400 This is the last time we're gonna have the PGA 0:03:37.480 --> 0:03:41.720 Championship wrap up the season. It's always been the major, 0:03:42.120 --> 0:03:45.680 you know, with the identity that at least it's the 0:03:45.720 --> 0:03:48.240 final one, and that's going to change next year. So 0:03:48.320 --> 0:03:51.440 I asked you to start, which player do you feel 0:03:51.480 --> 0:03:54.640 like needs this major the most this year? And which 0:03:54.680 --> 0:03:57.840 player might not really need it? Which player where if 0:03:57.880 --> 0:03:59.520 they go through this week and don't win, it's not 0:03:59.560 --> 0:04:01.360 really going to be that big of a deal. That's 0:04:01.360 --> 0:04:04.320 a good question. I think the player that needs it 0:04:04.400 --> 0:04:07.720 the most is is probably it's probably Ricky Fowler. I 0:04:07.760 --> 0:04:11.640 know everybody came here for the golf Ocahoma State Crossover 0:04:11.720 --> 0:04:16.120 takes um, but I think it's I think it's Fouler 0:04:16.720 --> 0:04:19.320 just from a man. It seems like we talked about 0:04:19.360 --> 0:04:23.080 him a lot in the fallout from every major. And 0:04:23.240 --> 0:04:25.359 I do think there's a difference between needing it the 0:04:25.400 --> 0:04:27.680 most and having the most to gain, because I think 0:04:27.680 --> 0:04:30.040 the player with the most to gain is Jordan's speek. 0:04:30.360 --> 0:04:33.760 And I wrote about this for CBS Sports dot Com 0:04:33.800 --> 0:04:36.800 and in a piece on I think it's Monday or something. Um, 0:04:37.480 --> 0:04:41.839 Jordan's speek can go from sort of this narrative about 0:04:41.839 --> 0:04:44.720 how it's been a down year, even though we add 0:04:44.720 --> 0:04:49.240 the caveat a down year for Jordan's two one of 0:04:49.279 --> 0:04:52.200 the most historic seasons ever in that he could win 0:04:52.240 --> 0:04:55.479 the career Grand Slam, and it's like, there's no there's 0:04:55.520 --> 0:04:59.080 no leap that's greater for anyone who could who could 0:04:59.080 --> 0:05:01.480 potentially win this tournament. So those are the two guys 0:05:01.520 --> 0:05:03.520 on that side. And then the guy who I think 0:05:03.520 --> 0:05:06.159 has the least a game by winning is actually somebody 0:05:06.200 --> 0:05:10.480 like Rory McElroy. Um, he's got four majors. Does it 0:05:10.600 --> 0:05:13.120 does another p g A really add to the way 0:05:13.800 --> 0:05:17.000 you feel about him? I? I don't. I mean historically no. 0:05:17.200 --> 0:05:20.360 Maybe because it's been a while, yes, But from a 0:05:20.440 --> 0:05:23.599 historical context, I don't think it really does. Well, we 0:05:23.640 --> 0:05:25.560 didn't play in this, but that is about as good 0:05:25.560 --> 0:05:27.320 as Segway as we could possibly have. The next question 0:05:27.320 --> 0:05:29.840 I was gonna ask was about Rory and Jordan's. Um, 0:05:29.920 --> 0:05:32.520 these are two guys that were the next big things, right, 0:05:32.560 --> 0:05:34.800 I mean Rory came on and he was going to 0:05:34.880 --> 0:05:37.760 be the protegee to to Tiger and he was gonna 0:05:37.800 --> 0:05:39.560 take over the tour when Tiger got out of here, 0:05:39.560 --> 0:05:41.680 and Phil and Sergio and Adam Scott they all left, 0:05:41.720 --> 0:05:43.640 and then of course Jordan's speak burst on the scene. 0:05:43.960 --> 0:05:46.680 And he doesn't look like the whatever you wanna call it, 0:05:46.720 --> 0:05:49.520 the dominating figure that is Rory mclrory, but all he 0:05:49.560 --> 0:05:51.400 has it is between the years and he's able to 0:05:51.400 --> 0:05:53.560 close things out. And you mentioned the Open wind last year, 0:05:54.160 --> 0:05:57.320 and these two guys have had brutal seasons. I mean, 0:05:57.600 --> 0:05:59.600 Rory had one really hot back nine and he got 0:05:59.680 --> 0:06:01.800 the wind out in in Florida, and speed has it 0:06:01.920 --> 0:06:04.440 on since that Open Championship you mentioned a year ago. 0:06:05.880 --> 0:06:09.119 We talked so much about these two guys, and while 0:06:09.160 --> 0:06:11.560 we're chatting about them, there's guys out there that are 0:06:11.600 --> 0:06:14.720 that are getting better and that are winning consistently. And 0:06:14.760 --> 0:06:17.120 I'm talking about Dustin Johnson and Justin Thomas. I mean, 0:06:17.120 --> 0:06:19.920 these guys are one A and one B. Why does 0:06:19.960 --> 0:06:23.320 it feel like when the conversation comes around these big 0:06:23.320 --> 0:06:25.800 events and the major championships, we all want to ask 0:06:25.839 --> 0:06:28.039 about Rory, we want to ask about Jordan's and we 0:06:28.120 --> 0:06:31.280 forget that we're seeing two players. I mean, Justin Thomass 0:06:31.320 --> 0:06:33.719 has really just turned himself into a world beater, and 0:06:33.800 --> 0:06:36.080 Dustin continues to do what Dustin does, and he picked 0:06:36.120 --> 0:06:39.039 up his nineteenth win a couple of weeks ago. Yeah, 0:06:39.120 --> 0:06:41.200 I think it's probably because they're so far out in 0:06:41.320 --> 0:06:44.159 front in in terms of of majors, and so you 0:06:44.160 --> 0:06:45.680 want to talk about the guy who can get to 0:06:45.800 --> 0:06:49.960 eight or seven or nine or whatever it is in 0:06:50.040 --> 0:06:51.960 terms of major championships. And I always got to go 0:06:52.000 --> 0:06:54.320 back to the fact that it's insane to me. And 0:06:54.400 --> 0:06:56.440 I know you've talked about this on here before, but 0:06:56.520 --> 0:06:58.560 it's insane to me the list of players who have 0:06:58.640 --> 0:07:03.240 one major, right mean, Jason Day, Dustin Johnson, Justin. I 0:07:03.240 --> 0:07:06.880 mean it, Sergio, it's a joke. And so you start 0:07:07.040 --> 0:07:11.080 thinking around major championships about the guys, you know, concerns 0:07:11.080 --> 0:07:14.640 who get to seven. We don't really I think the 0:07:14.680 --> 0:07:18.280 general public doesn't really care if somebody gets to like two, 0:07:19.160 --> 0:07:21.480 And so I think that's why there's maybe even more 0:07:21.880 --> 0:07:25.360 further around JT, because he's, you know, eight or nine 0:07:25.400 --> 0:07:28.320 years younger than than DJ, and so you're like, oh, 0:07:28.800 --> 0:07:31.040 how many? How many could he get to? We're so 0:07:31.080 --> 0:07:35.080 obsessed with the final number, and I think that because 0:07:36.480 --> 0:07:39.160 Speech and Rory are are so far out in front 0:07:39.200 --> 0:07:41.400 of everybody else in terms of total majors. That's why 0:07:41.440 --> 0:07:44.240 they get brought up so much around the four biggest 0:07:44.240 --> 0:07:47.360 events of the year. Yeah, but it's it's still, you know, 0:07:47.440 --> 0:07:49.800 the major talk. And this is major talk. I mean, 0:07:49.800 --> 0:07:52.040 it's a major championship week. But you know, when you 0:07:52.080 --> 0:07:53.760 when you look at a guy like Dustin who goes 0:07:53.760 --> 0:07:55.600 out there weekend and week out and puts himself in 0:07:55.600 --> 0:07:58.400 the conversation and wins these events all the time, and 0:07:58.400 --> 0:08:00.360 and he does it better than anyone else has the 0:08:00.440 --> 0:08:03.040 last few years on the PGA Tour, and you think 0:08:03.080 --> 0:08:07.320 to yourself, he's playing similar fields, if not equal fields 0:08:07.320 --> 0:08:09.360 at some of these events, and he's able to win. 0:08:10.000 --> 0:08:12.720 Yet again, as you mentioned, he has one major. And 0:08:12.760 --> 0:08:14.720 that was the backlash I got. I mean, I wrote 0:08:14.880 --> 0:08:16.720 after his win, I said, you know, we're watching somebody 0:08:16.760 --> 0:08:18.360 that's historically great, and I got a whole bunch of 0:08:18.400 --> 0:08:20.120 people that said, he only has one major. Only as 0:08:20.160 --> 0:08:22.600 one major championship. He's been in the conversation a lot, 0:08:22.640 --> 0:08:25.160 it just hasn't worked out those four weeks. Do we 0:08:25.320 --> 0:08:28.000 discredit these PGA Tour wins because we're so obsessed with, 0:08:28.040 --> 0:08:31.600 as you mentioned, kind of the final major number. Yeah, 0:08:31.680 --> 0:08:35.480 we do. I really struggle with this because to me, 0:08:35.880 --> 0:08:38.839 and I was talking to Chip Patterson of CBS about 0:08:38.880 --> 0:08:41.520 this the other day, it's like, what's the difference between 0:08:41.679 --> 0:08:44.480 I mean, legitimately, what's the difference between the winning bridge 0:08:44.480 --> 0:08:47.520 shown and winning this week at Belery right? I mean 0:08:47.600 --> 0:08:51.040 the field wise that I mean, you have more play, 0:08:51.200 --> 0:08:53.320 you have more golfers in the field at Bellerive at 0:08:53.520 --> 0:08:56.640 the PGA, but half of the half of the additional 0:08:56.679 --> 0:09:00.760 ones that you're adding are are pg A pro They're 0:09:00.800 --> 0:09:03.200 they're not they're not professionals, like they're not on I mean, 0:09:03.200 --> 0:09:05.520 they're not professional golfers. There are these guys that just 0:09:05.679 --> 0:09:08.199 sort of got into the tournament of the PGA of America, 0:09:08.280 --> 0:09:11.360 And so you're basically beating the same field at a 0:09:11.400 --> 0:09:14.160 similar course, and and we're so obsessed with just slapping 0:09:14.160 --> 0:09:16.720 the label of PGA Championship on there. And and I 0:09:16.760 --> 0:09:23.959 think that I think that we underrate UM winning I 0:09:24.000 --> 0:09:27.000 mean DJ winning nineteen times in this era, is that 0:09:27.120 --> 0:09:29.800 there needs to be some normalization, like like we do 0:09:29.920 --> 0:09:32.520 with UM, you know how you always do with so 0:09:32.559 --> 0:09:34.760 and so I made this much money in nineteen sixty 0:09:35.040 --> 0:09:37.200 and and you factor in inflation, there has to be 0:09:37.280 --> 0:09:42.440 some sort of deflation I guess or whatever looking backwards, 0:09:42.520 --> 0:09:45.440 because to win nineteen times in this era is unbelievable. 0:09:45.800 --> 0:09:51.320 But we also, I think we we underrate winning at 0:09:51.480 --> 0:09:54.120 specific courses. So I was thinking about this. I think 0:09:54.200 --> 0:09:57.120 that I think that Justin Thomas is gonna win a lot, 0:09:57.360 --> 0:09:59.959 But what's the what's the best course that he's take 0:10:00.080 --> 0:10:05.400 him down? And I've gotten into, of course architecture a 0:10:05.400 --> 0:10:08.040 little bit more over the last year or two, and 0:10:08.080 --> 0:10:09.800 so you look at Jordan Speed and it's like, Wow, 0:10:09.800 --> 0:10:14.760 he wants Barkdale, he wont Augusta, he won Colonial, Like 0:10:14.800 --> 0:10:20.200 those are Yeah, of course, shout out to Fox, Uh 0:10:20.240 --> 0:10:24.840 those are those are amazing courses. And I wonder how 0:10:24.920 --> 0:10:27.720 much like it just doesn't it doesn't feel like we 0:10:27.800 --> 0:10:32.480 separate guys who won at at certain courses from from others. 0:10:32.480 --> 0:10:35.520 But yeah, I agree with you that we overrate, we 0:10:35.600 --> 0:10:38.559 overrate winning majors, and we underrate winning We under rate 0:10:38.720 --> 0:10:42.440 kind of the level of field, right, because if you 0:10:42.559 --> 0:10:46.559 I mean Tiger winning eighteen deb g C, say whatever 0:10:46.600 --> 0:10:48.160 you want about the de w GC that it's an 0:10:48.200 --> 0:10:51.760 elite field, and fields make fields make great tournaments. If 0:10:51.880 --> 0:10:54.320 if all of a sudden everybody stopped going to the Masters, 0:10:54.800 --> 0:10:57.320 it wouldn't be the Masters. It just wouldn't. And so 0:10:57.480 --> 0:11:00.760 you have to you have to have great fields to 0:11:00.800 --> 0:11:04.920 have great tournaments. And um to, I don't know that 0:11:05.080 --> 0:11:09.120 there there's no like different level of winning these these 0:11:09.160 --> 0:11:12.360 events other than the difference between Majors and everything else. 0:11:12.400 --> 0:11:14.040 And and I feel like there should be and and 0:11:14.120 --> 0:11:16.440 it's it's to me, and I thought about it a 0:11:16.440 --> 0:11:19.200 lot more this year than I ever have. Is the 0:11:19.280 --> 0:11:24.239 PG eight Tour in in the sense of intrigue amongst 0:11:24.280 --> 0:11:27.520 the players, the guys in the field when it comes 0:11:27.559 --> 0:11:30.080 to winning or finishing fifth, I think is the lowest 0:11:30.120 --> 0:11:33.040 it's ever been because there's so much money involved in golf. 0:11:33.080 --> 0:11:34.640 There's so much money on the p g A Tour 0:11:35.080 --> 0:11:37.320 that if you win the bridge Stone, that's great, But 0:11:37.360 --> 0:11:40.319 if you finish third, you know, that's also really great. 0:11:40.360 --> 0:11:42.160 I mean you, I think we we were chatting in 0:11:42.160 --> 0:11:45.439 our little nerdy golf group chat about Ricky's performance in 0:11:45.480 --> 0:11:47.520 the w g c's over his career, and he has 0:11:47.559 --> 0:11:49.640 no wins and has made over four million dollars, and 0:11:50.040 --> 0:11:52.920 that's what the PGA Tour is. And to me, when 0:11:52.960 --> 0:11:55.760 it comes to majors, that's the four times a year 0:11:55.800 --> 0:11:58.880 that these players really care about winning because they know, 0:11:59.040 --> 0:12:02.920 as we've chatted about already, where it puts them historically, 0:12:02.920 --> 0:12:05.520 where it puts them amongst their peers. And so I 0:12:05.520 --> 0:12:08.920 almost feel like the players more than than than the 0:12:08.960 --> 0:12:11.400 media and more than the fans. The players hype it 0:12:11.480 --> 0:12:13.280 up themselves, and maybe that's why some of these guys 0:12:13.280 --> 0:12:14.959 have such a hard time winning them. I mean a 0:12:15.040 --> 0:12:17.320 Paul case you're a Lee Westwood. These guys were able 0:12:17.360 --> 0:12:19.560 to win, you know, of course, you know Paul Casey 0:12:19.600 --> 0:12:20.920 mostly on the other side of the pond, but they 0:12:20.920 --> 0:12:22.880 were able to win at events when they got themselves 0:12:22.920 --> 0:12:25.720 in contention. But for some reason, the major idea of 0:12:25.720 --> 0:12:29.320 a major championship, you see guys fall apart late way 0:12:29.360 --> 0:12:33.160 more than you do at any other regular tour event. Yeah. Now, 0:12:33.200 --> 0:12:35.760 it's totally true. And you mentioned the money there. I 0:12:36.200 --> 0:12:39.360 do wonder and I don't know if if you've ever 0:12:39.400 --> 0:12:41.680 talked to anybody about this off the record. I know 0:12:41.760 --> 0:12:45.120 that I haven't because it's sort of a weird thing 0:12:45.200 --> 0:12:48.680 to talk about but when you talk about the money, 0:12:49.000 --> 0:12:53.640 just what is it's so hard to stay motivated for 0:12:53.720 --> 0:12:58.400 like twenty years exactly as compared to when like we 0:12:58.400 --> 0:13:00.959 always joke about how Arnold Palmer or Giant Nicholas only 0:13:00.960 --> 0:13:03.520 made like one point five mill in their career or whatever. 0:13:03.559 --> 0:13:05.760 That that was like they still made good money because 0:13:05.800 --> 0:13:08.360 they had all these endorsements or whatever, but they were 0:13:08.360 --> 0:13:13.320 not making this just these egregious amounts to where they 0:13:13.360 --> 0:13:15.000 didn't ever have to worry about I mean, they were 0:13:15.000 --> 0:13:18.360 still like building towards something throughout their career. And you 0:13:18.360 --> 0:13:20.400 look at somebody like Rory and it's like, wow, I'm 0:13:20.440 --> 0:13:22.800 twenty five, I have probably a hundred million dollars, have 0:13:22.880 --> 0:13:25.120 won four majors, and you start looking around and you're 0:13:25.160 --> 0:13:27.240 like the only thing I have left to do is 0:13:27.280 --> 0:13:29.679 to win the Masters, right exactly. And that's why it's 0:13:29.720 --> 0:13:32.720 quote made more sense this year. Yeah, And it's like, 0:13:32.760 --> 0:13:35.520 how do you how do you stay motivated? Like, even 0:13:35.559 --> 0:13:39.120 if you're the most ambitious, driven person on the planet, 0:13:39.640 --> 0:13:42.880 there has to be some level of of fall off. 0:13:42.920 --> 0:13:44.920 And I think that's why you start. I mean, we've 0:13:44.920 --> 0:13:48.000 gotten this run of of one time made our first 0:13:48.080 --> 0:13:50.160 time major winners over the last two years. The Patrick 0:13:50.240 --> 0:13:53.880 Reids kept going last year, Sergio, because those guys are 0:13:53.880 --> 0:13:56.520 still building towards something, They're still working towards something, and 0:13:56.559 --> 0:13:59.880 I think that falls off after you just naturally after 0:14:00.040 --> 0:14:02.320 you win. And I don't I don't know, I don't know. 0:14:03.080 --> 0:14:05.040 This is not the question you asked. But I was 0:14:05.160 --> 0:14:07.080 just thinking about that as you were talking about money 0:14:07.160 --> 0:14:09.680 and when he Majors, Yeah, you you know what it's you. 0:14:09.679 --> 0:14:12.800 You brought up something that will be very interested to see, is, say, 0:14:12.920 --> 0:14:16.000 Rory wins the Masters next year, what does he do 0:14:16.120 --> 0:14:18.400 with his life? I mean, because we we know that 0:14:18.480 --> 0:14:22.040 there are those those groups of the players that you know, 0:14:22.080 --> 0:14:24.800 they they seem to always be together, and then there's Rory. 0:14:24.840 --> 0:14:26.600 He was a little bit of an outlier in that group. 0:14:26.680 --> 0:14:29.320 You know, he doesn't he doesn't, you know, stay at 0:14:29.320 --> 0:14:31.640 the house at Carnousti with the entire group of guys. 0:14:31.680 --> 0:14:34.160 And he he hasn't been kind of in in any 0:14:34.200 --> 0:14:36.080 sort of the whatever you'd call it. I mean, I 0:14:36.080 --> 0:14:38.320 don't want to bring up the spring Break Boys, but 0:14:38.600 --> 0:14:40.640 you know that wasn't his his thing. That's never been 0:14:40.640 --> 0:14:42.840 his thing. He's always taken golf as a business and 0:14:42.880 --> 0:14:45.680 that's been his business approach. And literally the money he 0:14:45.760 --> 0:14:48.160 made is what kicked him off of his own Twitter 0:14:48.240 --> 0:14:50.200 when he when he when he responded you don't remem 0:14:50.200 --> 0:14:52.520 who was it, Steve Elkington about how much money he'd 0:14:52.560 --> 0:14:55.240 made and if he wins the Masters, which he has 0:14:55.440 --> 0:14:57.440 been quoted as saying, is the last check mark in 0:14:57.480 --> 0:14:59.960 the thing he's focused on every year. What's he gonna do, 0:15:00.000 --> 0:15:03.320 you know, with the Bell Reeve and what's he gonna 0:15:03.360 --> 0:15:05.680 do with these courses coming up? That maybe he's not 0:15:06.120 --> 0:15:08.640 massively passionate about it, it's gonna be very interesting that. 0:15:08.720 --> 0:15:11.240 The interesting thing to me was, i know, talking to 0:15:11.320 --> 0:15:13.640 Rory and talking to some people around Shinnekock headed into 0:15:13.680 --> 0:15:17.160 that US Open, that he was so pumped about that 0:15:17.240 --> 0:15:20.120 US Open. He loves that golf course, he'd been out 0:15:20.160 --> 0:15:22.160 there as much as anybody else, and then he struggled. 0:15:22.240 --> 0:15:24.960 So you know, maybe it's the motivation can be obviously 0:15:24.960 --> 0:15:27.080 be a benefit, and we've seen it at times and 0:15:27.080 --> 0:15:28.800 then it could be a detriment. And of course we've 0:15:28.840 --> 0:15:30.680 seen that at the Master's overtime with him, where he's 0:15:30.960 --> 0:15:33.640 struggled when he's got himself in contention. After two thousand 0:15:33.640 --> 0:15:37.080 and eleven, he'll probably started, probably started a podcast. He's 0:15:37.080 --> 0:15:39.520 going to Inney beat all of us out. This thing 0:15:39.600 --> 0:15:42.280 is going to be done. Now. That's that's what's so 0:15:42.320 --> 0:15:48.000 impressive about about Phil, I think, and we don't. I mean, 0:15:48.040 --> 0:15:51.120 it's in it's insane that he's almost fifty years old 0:15:51.160 --> 0:15:53.880 and he's just toiling away on the PA. He's going 0:15:53.960 --> 0:15:58.000 to Memphis and all these places, and you're like, this 0:15:58.040 --> 0:16:02.120 is crazy, like this, who what what? Nor? I mean seriously, 0:16:02.200 --> 0:16:06.040 like he's just he's just a lifer. And I don't 0:16:06.440 --> 0:16:08.280 I think there are some young guys like that. I 0:16:08.280 --> 0:16:10.160 think I think speeds a little bit like that, But 0:16:10.200 --> 0:16:13.000 I don't know that all of them are and is 0:16:13.160 --> 0:16:16.720 like his his Dustin Johnson gonna play the Senior Tour. 0:16:17.440 --> 0:16:21.440 Like it's just it's a different it's a different era, 0:16:21.560 --> 0:16:24.360 it's a different way of of doing things. And I'm 0:16:24.360 --> 0:16:26.880 really intrigued to see how it's sort of because we 0:16:26.960 --> 0:16:29.440 always talking about, oh, all these young guys are winning, 0:16:29.480 --> 0:16:32.080 and it's like, well, maybe it's just the fact that 0:16:32.600 --> 0:16:35.320 everything skewing younger and we're we're not gonna see players 0:16:35.520 --> 0:16:39.160 play as much into their early mid to late forties. 0:16:39.760 --> 0:16:44.400 Is this fills second year that in when when he 0:16:44.440 --> 0:16:46.760 passes away in whatever hundred and fifty years from now, 0:16:47.080 --> 0:16:49.400 it's just gonna be his gonna be the year after 0:16:49.480 --> 0:16:51.600 oh four that we remember him the most four because 0:16:51.600 --> 0:16:55.640 he he literally has done from start to finish, from 0:16:55.640 --> 0:16:59.720 winning too losing his mind to the commercial I feel 0:16:59.720 --> 0:17:01.320 like the might be the most headlines we've ever had 0:17:01.320 --> 0:17:04.479 from Phil Nicholson. Yeah, his win in Mexico feels like 0:17:04.640 --> 0:17:08.200 it was like eight years ago. Honestly, you forget to 0:17:08.440 --> 0:17:10.359 be in a playoff. They keep showing that Justin Thomas 0:17:10.480 --> 0:17:13.800 highlight during that that kind of the recap um you know, 0:17:13.840 --> 0:17:15.840 it's like the whole out and the Rory fist pump 0:17:15.840 --> 0:17:18.000 and all those things, and and you're like, oh, that's right, 0:17:18.000 --> 0:17:21.000 it was Justin Thomas in the playoff with Phil. Yeah. 0:17:21.040 --> 0:17:23.760 It It's interesting because this is another thing that I've 0:17:23.760 --> 0:17:26.640 talked about with some people, and I don't like all 0:17:26.760 --> 0:17:31.720 this stuff is hilarious and like he's obviously just a legend. 0:17:31.840 --> 0:17:37.320 But I also feel like the the worst you get 0:17:37.359 --> 0:17:39.639 at golf, like the more your game falls off, the 0:17:40.080 --> 0:17:43.040 less funny of that stuff becomes. Because you're like well, 0:17:43.640 --> 0:17:45.639 how much of this is just trying to stay in 0:17:45.640 --> 0:17:47.479 the public eye. And I don't really think that's what 0:17:47.520 --> 0:17:49.440 it is right now, because he's still playing pretty good golf. 0:17:49.440 --> 0:17:51.800 He won this year. I mean, he's played you know, 0:17:51.840 --> 0:17:54.440 I think he I think over the next few years, 0:17:54.720 --> 0:17:56.359 and in the past few years, we've seen him kind 0:17:56.400 --> 0:17:57.840 of taper off at the end of the year just 0:17:57.880 --> 0:18:00.879 because he's almost fifty years old and so, but I 0:18:01.200 --> 0:18:04.240 still think he's he's competitive, he's good. I just worry 0:18:04.280 --> 0:18:07.639 that into his fifties and maybe beyond, it's like is 0:18:07.680 --> 0:18:10.920 this is this still funny? Or what are we doing here? 0:18:11.000 --> 0:18:13.600 You know? This this has seemed like, at least for me, 0:18:13.840 --> 0:18:15.480 and I'd have to actually go back and see, I 0:18:16.160 --> 0:18:17.920 feel like I did pick Phil Niolson to win the Masters, 0:18:17.920 --> 0:18:19.280 because I feel like I do that every year, but 0:18:19.720 --> 0:18:22.760 this has seemed like the first year where headed into 0:18:22.800 --> 0:18:26.640 the post AUGUSTA Major championship schedule, I didn't ever feel 0:18:26.680 --> 0:18:29.440 like there was a realistic chance that Phil was gonna win. Yeah, 0:18:29.720 --> 0:18:32.560 I now he I've seen it some places. This week. 0:18:32.560 --> 0:18:34.440 He's like a hundred one at the p g A 0:18:35.119 --> 0:18:37.480 and that's just as high a number as I've seen 0:18:37.680 --> 0:18:41.240 for him since I've been covering this, you know, it's 0:18:41.000 --> 0:18:44.680 it doesn't feel like he has a real shot at 0:18:44.680 --> 0:18:47.240 a lot of these places. And then of course you're 0:18:47.240 --> 0:18:49.560 gonna have the one tournament and you've been big on 0:18:49.600 --> 0:18:52.400 this and I agree, and probably at Augusta where he's 0:18:52.440 --> 0:18:55.399 like fifty three and wins and we're like, oh my gosh, 0:18:55.400 --> 0:18:57.520 Phil is the greatest golfer of all time, and you 0:18:57.560 --> 0:19:00.439 know whatever, and so as as long as you get that, 0:19:00.640 --> 0:19:03.000 like I'm all in on all of it, but the 0:19:03.119 --> 0:19:05.639 end of his the hind of the end of his 0:19:05.760 --> 0:19:09.439