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Speaker 1: Hey, what up. Welcome in. I'm Doug Gottlieb. This is

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Speaker 1: all ball. You're gonna love this talk with my man

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Speaker 1: Parker Jackson Cartwright of course, so Cal born and red

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Speaker 1: basketball player who went on to play four years as

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Speaker 1: it like to make it overseas. I don't know if

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Speaker 1: you guys know, but in Germany last year he was

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Speaker 1: the player of the year in the first Division in Germany.

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Speaker 1: And that's back playing first division in France. We'll get

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Speaker 1: all of his thoughts on what it was like at Arizona.

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Speaker 1: When the DeAndre Ayton got a hundred grand news dropped

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Speaker 1: right before they played Oregon. You guys remember that, um

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Speaker 1: m asked Parker about it. Great dude, interesting story, how

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Speaker 1: he regained his confidence. He became really a star playing

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Speaker 1: overseas and he's very young. He's got a long career

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Speaker 1: ahead of Before we get to that, the story of

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Speaker 1: basketball right now revolves around Emay Udoka and I look,

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Speaker 1: I mean I think him of how we covered it

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Speaker 1: in the media was embarrassing, you know, like blaming everybody

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Speaker 1: except for email Judoka, who accepted responsibility. And yeah, But

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Speaker 1: the interesting part is how it affects the Celtics um.

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Speaker 1: Everyone I know in that organization says, Joe Mazilla's Joe

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Speaker 1: Massoula is a dude. He'll be great, He'll handle it great.

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Speaker 1: I just can't stop thinking, why didn't they give it

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Speaker 1: to Damon Stodemeyer, who was a star in the league,

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Speaker 1: has been a head coach, two things that Joe Massoula

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Speaker 1: hasn't done. It's a It's a little bit of a

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Speaker 1: curious um decision for me because I thought Damon was

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Speaker 1: walk into because it feels a little bit like when

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Speaker 1: Kyrie Irving came back after missing the playoffs because he

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Speaker 1: had his his knee that remember the mesh was replaced

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Speaker 1: or what I was was was problematic, he had that

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Speaker 1: infection in his knee. With the Celtics and they go

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Speaker 1: to the Eastern Conference Finals in the next year, they

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Speaker 1: lose early, and you know, Kyrie, you know it's the

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Speaker 1: we are better without you. We can Joe Missoula, get

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Speaker 1: over that we were better without you. Think even if

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Speaker 1: they weren't always great, with Emay, they ended up in

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Speaker 1: the NBA Finals, and so the perception is this perception

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Speaker 1: becomes reality. The perception is that Emay turned around. Emay

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Speaker 1: is the reason that they were so good at the

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Speaker 1: end of the year. Um. I think it's a really

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Speaker 1: hard job for for Joe, very very difficult, and I

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Speaker 1: also would I'm not anybody who's critical of the Celtics.

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Speaker 1: It's it's one of those situations there's no guide booked for.

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Speaker 1: But all you can do is share as much as

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Speaker 1: people are comfortable with. But you can't share too much,

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Speaker 1: and you can't share nothing at all, especially if you're

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Speaker 1: gonna make some sort of dramatic move like suspending your

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Speaker 1: head coach for a year with no set plan for

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Speaker 1: if he'll come back or if he won't come back.

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Speaker 1: Most people think you won't come back, But I don't

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Speaker 1: understand why you wouldn't just cut ties. There has to

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Speaker 1: be something in terms of termination for cause and how

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Speaker 1: they're going about it, why they haven't terminated him yet,

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Speaker 1: or maybe it's just they really like him and they

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Speaker 1: You've gotta suspend it for a year and see what

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Speaker 1: happens if the dust dies down. Because because here's the

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Speaker 1: other thing that people don't think about. If they don't

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Speaker 1: do well and they don't want to retain Joe Massoula

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Speaker 1: to being insistent coach, Like do we think that works?

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Speaker 1: Bringing him back works? Because then, well what happens with

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Speaker 1: women in the organization? How somebody purports uff it doesn't

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Speaker 1: actually matter. Again, I'm not saying I say this, but

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Speaker 1: others will say winning is all that matters, and they've

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Speaker 1: brought him back to win. The big thing to keep

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Speaker 1: in mind is the Nets should be better, the Hawks

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Speaker 1: should be better. Umhol was the Sixers should be better.

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Speaker 1: So so the East, and I haven't you know, there's

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Speaker 1: What happens this year? And instead of looking at it

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Speaker 1: better players or worse players? Or look who they've added?

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Speaker 1: And I do they They've added a quality backup point guard,

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Speaker 1: if they're the better because of it, because the field

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Speaker 1: talk with Parker Jackson car right, who joined me from France.

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Speaker 1: I want to get to you your incredible year you

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Speaker 1: I mean the start was six years old, you know,

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Speaker 1: I think what you're playing nine and under at that time?

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Speaker 1: You know, I don't think I ever played my age.

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Speaker 1: you learned a lot of lessons in that would I

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Speaker 1: So you're your first high school you went to was Oila, right,

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Speaker 1: my dad was raised Catholic, so Loyola's obviously a prestigious

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Speaker 1: if I remember correctly, you're really highly counted. Right, everybody

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Speaker 1: It was your sphing your junior year with it with

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Speaker 1: But that's hard, right when you're a hooper and it's

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Speaker 1: when you um, when you went to Sierra Canyon. People

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Speaker 1: I'm there to play that you played that summer with

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Speaker 1: that team? That team had Peyton Day strip Aaron Holiday Ziland,

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Speaker 1: You know I was a good team in the previous year.

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Speaker 1: The summer before that, I played with Marcus Lee, Torn

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Speaker 1: there half semesters, so I don't I don't remember how

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Speaker 1: So I have the incident, the academic incident, and then

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Speaker 1: what was the academic So all right, there's a three

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Speaker 1: I mean, like, it's dude, you're a professional BASKETBA player.

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Speaker 1: It's eight years ago. Yeah, I mean I think the

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Speaker 1: it was a homework fraud and it's a it's a

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Speaker 1: J is gone and you start some come out the

426
00:24:33,920 --> 00:24:38,240
Speaker 1: bench some what was that experience, Like, well, now you

427
00:24:38,520 --> 00:24:40,600
Speaker 1: now your team is different, you know, you still have

428
00:24:41,040 --> 00:24:46,480
Speaker 1: guys from a previous year, and you know, I felt

429
00:24:46,520 --> 00:24:50,119
Speaker 1: like I was supposed to take the jump that I

430
00:24:50,240 --> 00:24:53,119
Speaker 1: felt like I was supposed to, you know, being a

431
00:24:53,160 --> 00:24:55,679
Speaker 1: player that I was like in high school, like you

432
00:24:55,720 --> 00:25:00,159
Speaker 1: know that everybody knew um, and obviously the ball was

433
00:25:00,200 --> 00:25:02,399
Speaker 1: more of my hands. You know, we had Condee Mallon,

434
00:25:03,080 --> 00:25:06,800
Speaker 1: but I was more of a different type of player

435
00:25:06,800 --> 00:25:09,359
Speaker 1: than him. So I thought, you know, this was gonna

436
00:25:09,400 --> 00:25:12,440
Speaker 1: be like a year for myself to really break out.

437
00:25:12,480 --> 00:25:16,639
Speaker 1: Everyone has that breakout year in college basketball. Um, But

438
00:25:16,680 --> 00:25:18,760
Speaker 1: I never really found I never really found my footing.

439
00:25:18,800 --> 00:25:21,520
Speaker 1: I had some good games and I had some glimpses

440
00:25:21,520 --> 00:25:25,040
Speaker 1: of like okay, you know, I can. I can be

441
00:25:25,080 --> 00:25:31,600
Speaker 1: a good league guard in college basketball on Arizon this team, Um,

442
00:25:31,640 --> 00:25:34,800
Speaker 1: but I just never quite broke through. Not saying I

443
00:25:34,840 --> 00:25:39,120
Speaker 1: didn't have a good season, but you know, I felt

444
00:25:39,119 --> 00:25:43,159
Speaker 1: like for myself, it wasn't what I thought I expected

445
00:25:43,240 --> 00:25:46,440
Speaker 1: or what others expected. You know, never really broke through

446
00:25:46,440 --> 00:25:49,960
Speaker 1: and had games and had glimpses, but never really got

447
00:25:49,960 --> 00:25:51,920
Speaker 1: over the hump as a team. We never really got

448
00:25:51,960 --> 00:25:54,679
Speaker 1: over as a hump. And then you get to the

449
00:25:54,720 --> 00:25:58,880
Speaker 1: tournament and then you're bouncing thinking on in the first round. Yeah, prob,

450
00:26:00,560 --> 00:26:05,800
Speaker 1: that was the story of our season. Um. Okay, so

451
00:26:05,960 --> 00:26:10,800
Speaker 1: I won't name names, but your junior year there was

452
00:26:10,840 --> 00:26:18,760
Speaker 1: a player that kind of tripped out right that I was.

453
00:26:18,880 --> 00:26:24,640
Speaker 1: The story I was told was, um, he liked came

454
00:26:24,680 --> 00:26:28,119
Speaker 1: into the practice one day without his shoes and they're like, bro,

455
00:26:28,200 --> 00:26:30,520
Speaker 1: your shoes are in your locker and he was just

456
00:26:30,960 --> 00:26:34,280
Speaker 1: completely out of it. Like there there have been some

457
00:26:34,359 --> 00:26:36,959
Speaker 1: dudes that had some weird stuff go on that in

458
00:26:37,000 --> 00:26:42,560
Speaker 1: those next couple of years. Yeah, there, what's that? Like

459
00:26:42,840 --> 00:26:47,280
Speaker 1: what what what's what's go ahead? I won't say another word,

460
00:26:47,440 --> 00:26:54,120
Speaker 1: but uh, you know, it's it's that, it's that thing

461
00:26:54,160 --> 00:26:59,440
Speaker 1: of like you never realize what's happening around you, and

462
00:26:59,560 --> 00:27:03,439
Speaker 1: see you're in it. And so many, so many things

463
00:27:03,480 --> 00:27:08,600
Speaker 1: happened in those last really three years. You know we're

464
00:27:08,640 --> 00:27:11,679
Speaker 1: starting from my sophomore year till the end. It was

465
00:27:12,840 --> 00:27:18,840
Speaker 1: gave me one thing happened software, Um, well you have this,

466
00:27:19,080 --> 00:27:25,280
Speaker 1: you have the story with Ellie Pitts, um my Elliot

467
00:27:25,280 --> 00:27:28,280
Speaker 1: Pitts and then you So for people who don't remember,

468
00:27:28,960 --> 00:27:32,800
Speaker 1: what's the story, Well, I don't know. I don't know

469
00:27:32,880 --> 00:27:36,800
Speaker 1: the details of the story. You know, it's a it's

470
00:27:36,800 --> 00:27:40,199
Speaker 1: a misconduct situation. You know, I don't know that the

471
00:27:40,280 --> 00:27:43,359
Speaker 1: details I never you know, kind of kind of just

472
00:27:43,840 --> 00:27:46,200
Speaker 1: he was really one of my good friends, one of

473
00:27:46,240 --> 00:27:49,080
Speaker 1: the best teammates I've ever had. Right, so, so something

474
00:27:49,119 --> 00:27:51,960
Speaker 1: like that goes down and like now you're on the

475
00:27:51,960 --> 00:27:54,080
Speaker 1: opposite side of it, like when high school it involves you,

476
00:27:54,080 --> 00:27:56,879
Speaker 1: you know what it feels like, it's academics now you know,

477
00:27:58,119 --> 00:28:02,480
Speaker 1: like right, so, now now you know you're a player

478
00:28:02,480 --> 00:28:06,960
Speaker 1: on the team. Um, you know, and it's like it's

479
00:28:06,960 --> 00:28:10,480
Speaker 1: after a big win and then things happen and now

480
00:28:11,320 --> 00:28:14,600
Speaker 1: your seasons, like you now your season is changing and

481
00:28:14,680 --> 00:28:17,800
Speaker 1: everything around you was changing. So you know, you deal

482
00:28:17,840 --> 00:28:20,920
Speaker 1: with that your sophomore year and then obviously a junior year,

483
00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:25,879
Speaker 1: Alonzo Trier is going through his his deal with n

484
00:28:25,960 --> 00:28:29,840
Speaker 1: C a UM and it's just like, you know, we

485
00:28:29,880 --> 00:28:32,359
Speaker 1: can't catch a break. Arizona can't catch a break. Our

486
00:28:32,359 --> 00:28:36,359
Speaker 1: players can't catch a break. So it was it was

487
00:28:36,400 --> 00:28:40,600
Speaker 1: always something. But I think, you know, we did a

488
00:28:40,600 --> 00:28:43,080
Speaker 1: good job of kind of keeping it, keeping it together

489
00:28:43,480 --> 00:28:45,960
Speaker 1: in some way. You know, the guys that were going

490
00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:48,240
Speaker 1: through their things, they kept it together, and I think

491
00:28:48,280 --> 00:28:53,160
Speaker 1: that's kind of just a reflection of them and the program.

492
00:28:53,400 --> 00:28:58,360
Speaker 1: Arizona's party school. It's basketball school, but also a party school. Right,

493
00:28:58,360 --> 00:29:01,920
Speaker 1: how do you How did you manage that? How do

494
00:29:02,040 --> 00:29:04,040
Speaker 1: I manage it? I mean I have fun. I have fun.

495
00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:09,760
Speaker 1: I definitely have fun. You know, um, you're not gonna

496
00:29:10,120 --> 00:29:14,920
Speaker 1: you're not gonna get around it, meaning like you're in it,

497
00:29:15,520 --> 00:29:18,760
Speaker 1: So you have to find a balance. I thought I

498
00:29:18,800 --> 00:29:21,120
Speaker 1: did a good job of finding a balance. You know,

499
00:29:21,160 --> 00:29:25,400
Speaker 1: I've never been a huge party kind of guy. Obviously,

500
00:29:26,120 --> 00:29:27,840
Speaker 1: you know it was different. You got to college, You're

501
00:29:27,840 --> 00:29:30,840
Speaker 1: gonna party like you're on your own. You're gonna make

502
00:29:30,880 --> 00:29:34,760
Speaker 1: some questionable decisions like that's just what it is, and

503
00:29:34,840 --> 00:29:38,040
Speaker 1: I definitely went out and enjoyed the perks of being

504
00:29:38,080 --> 00:29:44,719
Speaker 1: a a college athlete UM on on great teams UM.

505
00:29:44,840 --> 00:29:47,960
Speaker 1: But yeah, I think I would get myself a poundment

506
00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:51,800
Speaker 1: back for managing it the best way UM and having

507
00:29:51,840 --> 00:29:54,520
Speaker 1: a great support system. I didn't go outside of myself

508
00:29:54,640 --> 00:29:57,240
Speaker 1: and do things that I knew would hurt myself for

509
00:29:58,520 --> 00:30:02,880
Speaker 1: my team or my family. His name, your senior year

510
00:30:03,240 --> 00:30:05,480
Speaker 1: is the is the year where you guys you got

511
00:30:05,480 --> 00:30:09,160
Speaker 1: a chance, right you got DeAndre Aden your your starting

512
00:30:09,200 --> 00:30:12,480
Speaker 1: point guard. You know I've been there four years. M

513
00:30:13,480 --> 00:30:17,640
Speaker 1: Where were you when the DeAndre story came out? Remember

514
00:30:17,680 --> 00:30:23,760
Speaker 1: rosact where you were? Yeah? I was with my girlfriend

515
00:30:23,800 --> 00:30:28,120
Speaker 1: at the time. I was her apartment and I'm just

516
00:30:28,160 --> 00:30:32,000
Speaker 1: reading it on the phone, like Twitter comes across Twitter.

517
00:30:32,120 --> 00:30:39,040
Speaker 1: I'm like, whoa, you know that's it's just like I said,

518
00:30:39,080 --> 00:30:42,160
Speaker 1: it happened so fast. You give Twitter the now you're

519
00:30:42,200 --> 00:30:46,520
Speaker 1: hearing your something school okay, but so so, but take

520
00:30:46,560 --> 00:30:48,640
Speaker 1: me through what that's actually like to be a part of.

521
00:30:48,680 --> 00:30:52,200
Speaker 1: It comes out on Twitter, right that he was getting

522
00:30:52,200 --> 00:30:56,200
Speaker 1: a hundred grad Okay, So I'm just it comes out,

523
00:30:57,720 --> 00:30:59,840
Speaker 1: it's not it was on social media that I don't

524
00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:02,240
Speaker 1: maybe it wasn't, but it was social for sure, definitely

525
00:31:02,280 --> 00:31:04,800
Speaker 1: social media. And then it was an ESPN story, right,

526
00:31:04,920 --> 00:31:08,720
Speaker 1: and that was anybody talked about you at your girlfriend's apartment?

527
00:31:09,520 --> 00:31:12,560
Speaker 1: You guys, is there a group text? Does somebody call you? Like?

528
00:31:12,600 --> 00:31:14,560
Speaker 1: What what are you guys doing with? I mean, it's

529
00:31:14,760 --> 00:31:21,240
Speaker 1: it's a it's a it's a group text within our team.

530
00:31:21,280 --> 00:31:26,520
Speaker 1: And then it's that long daunting weight of Okay, coach

531
00:31:26,680 --> 00:31:30,320
Speaker 1: is gonna sit out a message, and then officials sit

532
00:31:30,400 --> 00:31:32,680
Speaker 1: on a message. So it's like, now we have to

533
00:31:32,840 --> 00:31:40,480
Speaker 1: play kind of damage control in a way. Um, So

534
00:31:40,520 --> 00:31:43,600
Speaker 1: the news comes out and then you know, obviously have

535
00:31:43,680 --> 00:31:47,920
Speaker 1: a meeting, and at that time, it's like, okay, so

536
00:31:47,960 --> 00:31:50,880
Speaker 1: we're still in our season, so we have to play

537
00:31:51,120 --> 00:31:55,080
Speaker 1: organ I think that the next game was like yeah, yeah,

538
00:31:55,160 --> 00:31:58,080
Speaker 1: so we're on the road. We're supposed to go on

539
00:31:58,080 --> 00:32:01,600
Speaker 1: the road and play the game. And it was a

540
00:32:01,640 --> 00:32:04,560
Speaker 1: great game. We should have won the game, you know,

541
00:32:04,960 --> 00:32:08,000
Speaker 1: And that was another situation of like, Okay, we're you know,

542
00:32:08,080 --> 00:32:10,720
Speaker 1: we're dealing with this, but we still have to play basketball.

543
00:32:11,560 --> 00:32:17,000
Speaker 1: And I thought we handled fall intense purposes what anybody

544
00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:19,600
Speaker 1: else thought on the outside, I thought we held it

545
00:32:19,680 --> 00:32:23,200
Speaker 1: together the best we could. We Elens a Roman who

546
00:32:23,240 --> 00:32:26,719
Speaker 1: was on the staff. Um, you know, he was a

547
00:32:26,720 --> 00:32:31,480
Speaker 1: great voice, and stuff happens and you have to prepare

548
00:32:31,480 --> 00:32:34,400
Speaker 1: for those things. When do you, guys? Was there ever?

549
00:32:34,760 --> 00:32:36,480
Speaker 1: Did you get any money? Did you did you guys

550
00:32:36,480 --> 00:32:38,800
Speaker 1: start asking like I have to ask you what did

551
00:32:38,800 --> 00:32:42,760
Speaker 1: you get? I mean not within the team, but it's

552
00:32:42,800 --> 00:32:45,840
Speaker 1: like now outside chatters coming in and you're like, oh,

553
00:32:45,960 --> 00:32:49,080
Speaker 1: you know, what did you get? Did you get anything?

554
00:32:49,400 --> 00:32:51,760
Speaker 1: Did you did you get a card? Your parents died?

555
00:32:51,800 --> 00:32:54,560
Speaker 1: Your mom in a car? You know, everyone is is

556
00:32:54,600 --> 00:32:58,000
Speaker 1: saying something, you know, because it just it's a trickling effect,

557
00:32:58,120 --> 00:33:01,400
Speaker 1: you know. Now it's not just younger Aidens, everybody involved.

558
00:33:02,320 --> 00:33:05,400
Speaker 1: So what was it like for for him? For DeAndre?

559
00:33:05,400 --> 00:33:08,480
Speaker 1: And it's just a freshman obviously a really well respected player,

560
00:33:08,520 --> 00:33:10,640
Speaker 1: he's you know, he was having a good year. What

561
00:33:10,720 --> 00:33:12,920
Speaker 1: was that like? What what was as a as his

562
00:33:12,960 --> 00:33:16,160
Speaker 1: point guard? Was it? Like? I mean, I tried to

563
00:33:16,720 --> 00:33:18,600
Speaker 1: I tried to just help him through it. It's best

564
00:33:18,640 --> 00:33:24,440
Speaker 1: as as I could, um, you know, seeing him go

565
00:33:24,560 --> 00:33:28,520
Speaker 1: through it. I think at the time he was a

566
00:33:28,560 --> 00:33:32,120
Speaker 1: freshman and he wasn't as mature as he was is now.

567
00:33:33,280 --> 00:33:37,480
Speaker 1: But saying that is a compliment because he handled it

568
00:33:37,680 --> 00:33:41,920
Speaker 1: like he never really showed, you know, like like he

569
00:33:42,040 --> 00:33:44,360
Speaker 1: was very stressed or you know, he kind of just

570
00:33:44,440 --> 00:33:47,440
Speaker 1: kept it together. He's a very like lively dude. He's

571
00:33:47,440 --> 00:33:51,440
Speaker 1: not a down kind of guy. Move around getting your feelings.

572
00:33:51,640 --> 00:33:54,520
Speaker 1: So he handled it well. And I think because he

573
00:33:54,600 --> 00:33:59,560
Speaker 1: handled it so well, we were allowed to just move forward,

574
00:34:00,280 --> 00:34:03,520
Speaker 1: you know. And in an Oregon game he played really well.

575
00:34:03,800 --> 00:34:05,600
Speaker 1: I thought that was one of his best games that

576
00:34:05,640 --> 00:34:10,840
Speaker 1: I've seen him, do you know, Jumper Dunce, you know anything,

577
00:34:11,040 --> 00:34:14,720
Speaker 1: everything you've see now. So I think because he handled

578
00:34:14,760 --> 00:34:20,799
Speaker 1: it well and in the in the way he you know,

579
00:34:20,920 --> 00:34:22,839
Speaker 1: gave us the confidence that we can handle it well,

580
00:34:22,920 --> 00:34:26,880
Speaker 1: I think it was Okay. What's what's amazing about it is?

581
00:34:27,440 --> 00:34:31,239
Speaker 1: Um So you know, you guys lose that game in

582
00:34:31,840 --> 00:34:37,640
Speaker 1: uh was in overtime kind of huh? It was double

583
00:34:37,719 --> 00:34:40,600
Speaker 1: I think double overtime, Yeah, double overtime. And that was

584
00:34:40,640 --> 00:34:42,880
Speaker 1: your second straight You played Organ State in overtime, and

585
00:34:42,880 --> 00:34:46,160
Speaker 1: you played Organ and overtime both on that same trip, right,

586
00:34:46,560 --> 00:34:49,319
Speaker 1: and then you come back, you beat Stanford, you beat

587
00:34:49,360 --> 00:34:53,799
Speaker 1: cal mhmm, you win the Pack twelve tournament. So there's

588
00:34:53,800 --> 00:34:55,960
Speaker 1: a lot of people that look and they see the

589
00:34:56,000 --> 00:34:58,880
Speaker 1: loss to Buffalo and like, well they lost to Buffalo

590
00:34:59,000 --> 00:35:02,360
Speaker 1: because of the DeAndre Aten deal and it was a distraction,

591
00:35:02,400 --> 00:35:03,880
Speaker 1: but like it was such a distraction had you win

592
00:35:03,880 --> 00:35:07,680
Speaker 1: the pact of the tournament, All right, what what what

593
00:35:07,719 --> 00:35:14,560
Speaker 1: happened against Buffalo? We we weren't I'm not gonna say

594
00:35:14,600 --> 00:35:17,680
Speaker 1: we weren't prepared, because that's not the deal. We didn't

595
00:35:17,719 --> 00:35:22,040
Speaker 1: master their toughness. I mean, those guys, I don't know

596
00:35:22,040 --> 00:35:25,960
Speaker 1: if you've seen the tvt but like they've got that

597
00:35:26,160 --> 00:35:31,680
Speaker 1: same team, you know, Wes Clark, C. J. Massenburg, and

598
00:35:31,719 --> 00:35:34,000
Speaker 1: I think they played us. They played a different style

599
00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:36,840
Speaker 1: than us, and obviously we started to seven footers. You know,

600
00:35:36,920 --> 00:35:42,160
Speaker 1: they played small, played right, so they played small and

601
00:35:42,200 --> 00:35:45,120
Speaker 1: they're playing like five out. Even their center wasn't making

602
00:35:45,160 --> 00:35:49,319
Speaker 1: threes and there's it's hard when you bring okay, you

603
00:35:49,360 --> 00:35:52,360
Speaker 1: have lightning quick guards like they did and then three

604
00:35:53,200 --> 00:35:56,239
Speaker 1: bigs who were like dribbling and putting the ball on

605
00:35:56,280 --> 00:36:01,839
Speaker 1: the floor. Um. But I think more so they they

606
00:36:01,880 --> 00:36:06,080
Speaker 1: out tucked us. You know, we didn't match anything that

607
00:36:06,080 --> 00:36:08,960
Speaker 1: that they have for us. And obviously it's the n

608
00:36:08,960 --> 00:36:12,640
Speaker 1: c A tournament. It's one shot. If you don't match,

609
00:36:12,880 --> 00:36:14,880
Speaker 1: then you're gonna lose. It doesn't matter where you play it,

610
00:36:14,920 --> 00:36:18,480
Speaker 1: no matter who you are, you gotta you gotta come

611
00:36:18,480 --> 00:36:22,840
Speaker 1: out and really play. We didn't what what was the

612
00:36:22,920 --> 00:36:26,040
Speaker 1: locker room like? Because because you know, we always focused

613
00:36:26,040 --> 00:36:28,440
Speaker 1: on the team that pulls off the upset m hm.

614
00:36:28,840 --> 00:36:32,799
Speaker 1: But for you four years of the program, and yes,

615
00:36:32,880 --> 00:36:35,239
Speaker 1: it just again you weren't playing poorly. You just won

616
00:36:35,280 --> 00:36:38,120
Speaker 1: the pack towel tournament. Yeah, you just won the pack

617
00:36:38,160 --> 00:36:40,719
Speaker 1: towel tournament. And now all of a sudden you talk

618
00:36:40,760 --> 00:36:43,000
Speaker 1: about it being fast like it's over. That's it. You

619
00:36:43,000 --> 00:36:45,920
Speaker 1: will not put on the Arizona uniform again. What was it?

620
00:36:46,000 --> 00:36:50,279
Speaker 1: What was that locker room like? It was tough. It

621
00:36:50,360 --> 00:36:53,680
Speaker 1: was really tough. Um, you know, even being on the

622
00:36:53,719 --> 00:36:59,000
Speaker 1: bench those last seconds watching the time take down, it's like, man,

623
00:36:59,080 --> 00:37:03,279
Speaker 1: this one really asked and then like everything comes in

624
00:37:03,280 --> 00:37:08,280
Speaker 1: to reality and you know, that was a really good team.

625
00:37:08,360 --> 00:37:13,400
Speaker 1: So that locker room was just kinda it was we

626
00:37:13,400 --> 00:37:17,160
Speaker 1: were like we obviously had that moment of like okay, man,

627
00:37:17,360 --> 00:37:21,120
Speaker 1: this this sucks. But you know, after that, you know,

628
00:37:21,200 --> 00:37:24,719
Speaker 1: we we came together. But it was tough. You know

629
00:37:24,800 --> 00:37:30,600
Speaker 1: you have you have guys that are done, and you

630
00:37:30,640 --> 00:37:34,759
Speaker 1: know we're leaving and after such us, after such a

631
00:37:34,800 --> 00:37:36,879
Speaker 1: long season, with all the things that we've been through,

632
00:37:36,960 --> 00:37:42,200
Speaker 1: it's like but we didn't make excuses. We just we

633
00:37:42,280 --> 00:37:45,120
Speaker 1: rallied around each other and we walked out of there

634
00:37:45,120 --> 00:37:50,000
Speaker 1: with our his heart. So what was what? What was

635
00:37:50,040 --> 00:37:53,480
Speaker 1: your next summer and your decision like to play in

636
00:37:53,520 --> 00:37:55,560
Speaker 1: the I think you played G League right away or

637
00:37:55,560 --> 00:37:59,080
Speaker 1: what was that next? The next summer and season? Like well,

638
00:38:00,719 --> 00:38:02,360
Speaker 1: I don't think a lot of people know, but I

639
00:38:03,440 --> 00:38:08,279
Speaker 1: so after that game, maybe like a week later, I

640
00:38:08,320 --> 00:38:11,440
Speaker 1: hadn't had a leg pain towards the end of season,

641
00:38:11,520 --> 00:38:16,200
Speaker 1: even before the Packwall tournament, I'm like, my leg, I

642
00:38:16,280 --> 00:38:19,160
Speaker 1: don't know what's going on, Like I can't really jump

643
00:38:19,239 --> 00:38:22,120
Speaker 1: off of it, off of just like one leg. But

644
00:38:22,200 --> 00:38:24,520
Speaker 1: it wasn't like in my mind serious enough to where

645
00:38:24,560 --> 00:38:28,120
Speaker 1: I'm gonna shut it down. So after the season, I

646
00:38:28,239 --> 00:38:31,280
Speaker 1: go get an X ray and I have a tibial

647
00:38:31,400 --> 00:38:35,120
Speaker 1: stretch fracture that I have been playing with for maybe

648
00:38:35,360 --> 00:38:37,440
Speaker 1: could have been weeks, could have been months, I don't know.

649
00:38:38,360 --> 00:38:42,399
Speaker 1: So that's a serious that's a significant injury. I mean

650
00:38:42,920 --> 00:38:47,520
Speaker 1: to be a stretch fracture without certain I mean, without surgeries,

651
00:38:47,560 --> 00:38:52,480
Speaker 1: a fifteen months healing process shorter maybe more or less,

652
00:38:52,480 --> 00:38:56,360
Speaker 1: depending on you know, how it heals. But so opted

653
00:38:56,440 --> 00:39:00,840
Speaker 1: not to get surgery after that, After that X ray,

654
00:39:00,920 --> 00:39:04,239
Speaker 1: I was just gonna let it heal um. And you know,

655
00:39:04,280 --> 00:39:07,839
Speaker 1: I had seen doctors in l A like Okay, I'm

656
00:39:07,840 --> 00:39:11,960
Speaker 1: getting mixed information, like you to definitely get surgery or

657
00:39:13,080 --> 00:39:15,439
Speaker 1: it might not heal. It might not heal. You might

658
00:39:16,320 --> 00:39:19,280
Speaker 1: not be able to play if you don't get the surgery.

659
00:39:19,360 --> 00:39:21,160
Speaker 1: And it's like, okay, the surgery you have to stick

660
00:39:21,160 --> 00:39:23,880
Speaker 1: a ride through your leg, your knee and you know,

661
00:39:24,000 --> 00:39:26,640
Speaker 1: get that metal ride. And I was just I kind

662
00:39:26,640 --> 00:39:28,160
Speaker 1: of didn't want to do that, so I just opted

663
00:39:28,200 --> 00:39:34,840
Speaker 1: to to let heal um. But I ended up going

664
00:39:35,120 --> 00:39:41,520
Speaker 1: to training camp with Toronto, not particularly knowing that I

665
00:39:41,560 --> 00:39:45,719
Speaker 1: had the injury. But I thought that, okay, if I

666
00:39:45,760 --> 00:39:49,400
Speaker 1: just rehab and because I didn't want to miss that

667
00:39:49,440 --> 00:39:52,839
Speaker 1: much time, you know, And I felt like in my

668
00:39:52,880 --> 00:39:56,040
Speaker 1: mind I was putting this on morang pressure on myself

669
00:39:56,080 --> 00:40:00,759
Speaker 1: to just Okay, you know, this is my life, this

670
00:40:00,800 --> 00:40:02,319
Speaker 1: is what I have to do. So I was just

671
00:40:02,320 --> 00:40:05,640
Speaker 1: gonna stick with it. And I went to Toronto and

672
00:40:05,680 --> 00:40:08,120
Speaker 1: they took an X ray like a you know, a

673
00:40:08,160 --> 00:40:13,560
Speaker 1: normal check, and they're like, you can't play broken broken leg.

674
00:40:13,560 --> 00:40:14,920
Speaker 1: We're not gonna let You're not gonna put you out

675
00:40:14,920 --> 00:40:17,919
Speaker 1: in training camp. So I got cut and then came

676
00:40:17,960 --> 00:40:23,320
Speaker 1: back rehab for a few months until February. Then I

677
00:40:23,360 --> 00:40:26,960
Speaker 1: went to New York League and I was there about

678
00:40:26,960 --> 00:40:31,920
Speaker 1: a month and then that didn't work out. And then

679
00:40:31,920 --> 00:40:34,880
Speaker 1: the following year what was that? Like? What was here?

680
00:40:35,000 --> 00:40:37,040
Speaker 1: Here's the thing with New York and the league is

681
00:40:38,680 --> 00:40:43,759
Speaker 1: you played at the very highest level in college and

682
00:40:43,800 --> 00:40:47,400
Speaker 1: in Arizona there's never an MPC in the McHale Center

683
00:40:48,000 --> 00:40:51,440
Speaker 1: and I I've always thought, and me personally, it was

684
00:40:51,680 --> 00:40:56,319
Speaker 1: minor leagues is really hard, just because man, I'm used

685
00:40:56,320 --> 00:40:58,719
Speaker 1: to play in front of people that care, and now

686
00:40:58,760 --> 00:41:00,520
Speaker 1: you're on a team where nobody cares. They just want

687
00:41:00,520 --> 00:41:03,319
Speaker 1: to get the league right. That was really hard for me.

688
00:41:03,640 --> 00:41:05,400
Speaker 1: What was the experience like for you and playing in

689
00:41:05,400 --> 00:41:10,160
Speaker 1: the in the gym, Yeah, it was unlike anything I've experienced.

690
00:41:10,840 --> 00:41:13,799
Speaker 1: Just like you said, not that guys don't particularly care,

691
00:41:13,920 --> 00:41:17,799
Speaker 1: it's just like, you know, there's so much involved, like

692
00:41:17,880 --> 00:41:22,560
Speaker 1: this guy is gonna play and he's got to play

693
00:41:22,600 --> 00:41:25,680
Speaker 1: this amount of menus or you know, just he's been

694
00:41:26,040 --> 00:41:27,880
Speaker 1: he's earning his stripes, he's been on this team for

695
00:41:27,960 --> 00:41:30,480
Speaker 1: this long, like he's gonna playing. I was playing with

696
00:41:30,560 --> 00:41:35,719
Speaker 1: some good players like Billy Garrett was there, um who

697
00:41:35,800 --> 00:41:38,120
Speaker 1: was Who's a star on the team at the time.

698
00:41:38,400 --> 00:41:42,439
Speaker 1: So coming in I was just I didn't really know

699
00:41:42,560 --> 00:41:44,279
Speaker 1: what to expect. I didn't expect to come in and

700
00:41:44,360 --> 00:41:49,680
Speaker 1: not play, but you know, I was. It was an

701
00:41:49,719 --> 00:41:52,440
Speaker 1: experience for me. How did you how'd you end up

702
00:41:52,480 --> 00:41:58,399
Speaker 1: in English? Well, that summer, they they called my Asian

703
00:41:58,640 --> 00:42:01,920
Speaker 1: and they were just like, okay, you know, we know

704
00:42:02,040 --> 00:42:04,959
Speaker 1: he hasn't played, you know he's coming off an injury,

705
00:42:05,040 --> 00:42:07,160
Speaker 1: but we feel like this could be a good start

706
00:42:07,160 --> 00:42:10,160
Speaker 1: from And just talking to my family and my brother,

707
00:42:10,960 --> 00:42:13,120
Speaker 1: he was like, yeah, this could be a good start.

708
00:42:13,160 --> 00:42:15,560
Speaker 1: You gotta start somewhere. And for people that don't know,

709
00:42:15,680 --> 00:42:19,000
Speaker 1: like Europe is different, like you have to you have

710
00:42:19,080 --> 00:42:21,800
Speaker 1: to start somewhere. Unless you're a guy that's highly touted,

711
00:42:21,840 --> 00:42:24,960
Speaker 1: had a great cause career, you know you're not just

712
00:42:25,040 --> 00:42:32,040
Speaker 1: going to start at the highest level. Yeah, you have

713
00:42:32,080 --> 00:42:34,960
Speaker 1: to build. And I didn't. I didn't know anything English basketball.

714
00:42:35,000 --> 00:42:39,799
Speaker 1: But I knew it was. It was great from day one.

715
00:42:40,320 --> 00:42:43,240
Speaker 1: I mean it was, you know, not nothing. It couldn't

716
00:42:43,239 --> 00:42:46,719
Speaker 1: have went better. Um, I'm in a new country, but

717
00:42:46,760 --> 00:42:51,319
Speaker 1: they're speaking English, so the off court is fine and

718
00:42:51,440 --> 00:42:54,239
Speaker 1: the basketball was was right up my alley. Let me

719
00:42:54,320 --> 00:42:58,320
Speaker 1: be myself and in turn it started something great for

720
00:42:58,440 --> 00:43:03,400
Speaker 1: myself and Europe. The coolest thing about living in England,

721
00:43:04,680 --> 00:43:09,439
Speaker 1: I would say, London, what about it? But get going

722
00:43:09,480 --> 00:43:14,080
Speaker 1: to London just being in a big city, and that's

723
00:43:14,080 --> 00:43:17,200
Speaker 1: what I'm used to. I mean you can get lost there.

724
00:43:17,440 --> 00:43:20,120
Speaker 1: I was in a good city, Cheshire shoutout Cheshire. Chester

725
00:43:20,160 --> 00:43:23,960
Speaker 1: is a great town. But you know it was small, um,

726
00:43:24,000 --> 00:43:26,320
Speaker 1: sort like when I'm used to with Tucson, like small,

727
00:43:26,800 --> 00:43:29,760
Speaker 1: you know, great fan base, like you know, great food.

728
00:43:30,280 --> 00:43:33,520
Speaker 1: I don't know if you've heard of Nando's before, the

729
00:43:34,320 --> 00:43:42,000
Speaker 1: big food chain in England. It's like it's like Mediterranean.

730
00:43:42,040 --> 00:43:50,560
Speaker 1: It's like chicken, exotic, exotic food. I would say, halloomi cheese.

731
00:43:51,719 --> 00:43:56,520
Speaker 1: It's good. So then the next year you go to French, right,

732
00:43:56,880 --> 00:44:00,960
Speaker 1: Frances athletic, they get up and down, good style of ball. Right,

733
00:44:01,320 --> 00:44:04,759
Speaker 1: what was it like to play there? That was? That

734
00:44:04,840 --> 00:44:07,160
Speaker 1: was tough? I think in my whole career. That was

735
00:44:07,200 --> 00:44:11,520
Speaker 1: probably the toughest adjustment I've ever had to make because

736
00:44:11,680 --> 00:44:16,560
Speaker 1: the pro b France is the league is very physical,

737
00:44:17,560 --> 00:44:21,800
Speaker 1: and it's it's a slower pace. It's very in turn

738
00:44:21,920 --> 00:44:26,120
Speaker 1: like some some ways methodical. So I had to really

739
00:44:26,200 --> 00:44:30,480
Speaker 1: learn how to like slow down, you know, you know,

740
00:44:30,600 --> 00:44:34,120
Speaker 1: change change speeds and and think a little bit more.

741
00:44:34,880 --> 00:44:37,520
Speaker 1: Um while I while I was playing through the physicality,

742
00:44:37,800 --> 00:44:39,880
Speaker 1: you know, because pro A is more physical, which I

743
00:44:39,880 --> 00:44:44,000
Speaker 1: mean now, I mean it's more athletic. Sorry, yea. So

744
00:44:44,200 --> 00:44:47,080
Speaker 1: those first few months I had to figure it out.

745
00:44:47,160 --> 00:44:51,120
Speaker 1: I mean I didn't think that it was gonna work, honestly,

746
00:44:51,520 --> 00:44:54,600
Speaker 1: you know that the style just everything because you know,

747
00:44:54,600 --> 00:44:57,799
Speaker 1: now I'm going from England, English speaking country, I'm right

748
00:44:58,000 --> 00:45:03,360
Speaker 1: my element. Now I'm going to France. I don't speak French. Um,

749
00:45:03,400 --> 00:45:06,319
Speaker 1: you know, coaches really on my ass in a good way,

750
00:45:06,360 --> 00:45:08,960
Speaker 1: but it's on my ass and I'm trying to figure it.

751
00:45:09,000 --> 00:45:10,879
Speaker 1: I'm just trying to figure it out. So the first

752
00:45:10,920 --> 00:45:15,240
Speaker 1: few months were really tough. But then right after December

753
00:45:16,160 --> 00:45:20,000
Speaker 1: I really hit a stride. It was just like something clicked. Um,

754
00:45:20,040 --> 00:45:25,920
Speaker 1: what was COVID starting? What was what was COVID there. Oh,

755
00:45:26,120 --> 00:45:29,520
Speaker 1: I mean we our season stopped for months and we

756
00:45:29,520 --> 00:45:34,440
Speaker 1: were on curfew the whole year six six pm, seven pm,

757
00:45:34,480 --> 00:45:37,920
Speaker 1: so on everything with that. On top of that, it's

758
00:45:37,960 --> 00:45:42,560
Speaker 1: just like and mild depression, you know, really trying to

759
00:45:43,520 --> 00:45:45,760
Speaker 1: watch my mentor because like now I'm in the house,

760
00:45:45,840 --> 00:45:47,279
Speaker 1: I gotta be in the house at a certain time.

761
00:45:48,440 --> 00:45:53,000
Speaker 1: It's cold. So it was. It was a lot, but

762
00:45:53,080 --> 00:45:56,040
Speaker 1: I think that year really it really helped me for

763
00:45:56,120 --> 00:45:59,799
Speaker 1: everything that I have to deal with now talking about

764
00:45:59,840 --> 00:46:03,320
Speaker 1: your So that's last year was Germany, right, Yeah, and

765
00:46:03,440 --> 00:46:05,400
Speaker 1: you were the player of the year in the league,

766
00:46:05,760 --> 00:46:10,719
Speaker 1: which is unbelievable. So very goodly, very good Americans. They

767
00:46:10,760 --> 00:46:16,400
Speaker 1: love Americans. I love American guards. Where were you? I

768
00:46:16,480 --> 00:46:23,400
Speaker 1: was a bond Germany, grat City, Gray City, one of

769
00:46:23,400 --> 00:46:27,920
Speaker 1: my favorite cities that I've been. I enjoyed it. I

770
00:46:27,960 --> 00:46:31,320
Speaker 1: can't say too much about it. It was a perfect match.

771
00:46:31,600 --> 00:46:34,680
Speaker 1: It was close to Cologne's is another great city. So

772
00:46:36,200 --> 00:46:40,880
Speaker 1: I think I got to be my full self there

773
00:46:41,280 --> 00:46:44,040
Speaker 1: as a player and a person, and then in the

774
00:46:44,200 --> 00:46:47,000
Speaker 1: coach really unlocked all of my abilities, you know, just

775
00:46:47,080 --> 00:46:50,080
Speaker 1: letting me, letting me be my soulf like I felt

776
00:46:50,120 --> 00:46:54,640
Speaker 1: like this is okay, this is how I Did you

777
00:46:54,719 --> 00:46:56,359
Speaker 1: know that going in or did it take a while

778
00:46:56,400 --> 00:46:59,319
Speaker 1: to be like, oh this is really really good fit. Yeah.

779
00:46:59,440 --> 00:47:04,799
Speaker 1: I thought that justment was to the more to the practices,

780
00:47:05,920 --> 00:47:08,320
Speaker 1: you know, because our practices are very intense, very quick,

781
00:47:08,320 --> 00:47:14,399
Speaker 1: but like intense like high you know high a lot

782
00:47:14,440 --> 00:47:18,840
Speaker 1: of five on five, you know, like just up and down,

783
00:47:19,160 --> 00:47:24,040
Speaker 1: you know, a lot of competitive, competitive drills. But he

784
00:47:24,080 --> 00:47:26,440
Speaker 1: put the ball in my hands from day one, and

785
00:47:26,640 --> 00:47:30,640
Speaker 1: he trusted me to make decisions for myself and the team,

786
00:47:30,680 --> 00:47:34,600
Speaker 1: and he never you know, he let me play the mistakes,

787
00:47:34,640 --> 00:47:37,080
Speaker 1: which was which was a good thing early and I

788
00:47:37,200 --> 00:47:39,200
Speaker 1: just kind of was like, Okay, now that I have

789
00:47:39,280 --> 00:47:42,840
Speaker 1: that trust, I can just like not think. And that

790
00:47:42,960 --> 00:47:46,440
Speaker 1: was That season was probably one of the best seasons

791
00:47:46,480 --> 00:47:50,960
Speaker 1: I've had to date. Um On is on a river,

792
00:47:51,480 --> 00:47:56,319
Speaker 1: right and it's a big city, three thousand people in it.

793
00:47:56,520 --> 00:48:00,239
Speaker 1: You mentioned it's near Cologne. It's like a yeah, I

794
00:48:00,239 --> 00:48:02,440
Speaker 1: almost like it. What's the best thing to eat in Bond?

795
00:48:03,200 --> 00:48:10,160
Speaker 1: Best thing to eat in Bob Well? I like Italian?

796
00:48:10,640 --> 00:48:15,200
Speaker 1: I forget the Italian place. I was always there. It

797
00:48:15,280 --> 00:48:18,200
Speaker 1: was an Italian restaurant and I was there a lie

798
00:48:19,480 --> 00:48:21,960
Speaker 1: and it was it was like in the city, you know,

799
00:48:22,040 --> 00:48:25,759
Speaker 1: a little fancy, fancy Italian. I would say that's the

800
00:48:25,760 --> 00:48:29,960
Speaker 1: best because pasta pizza, It's like, that's what I love.

801
00:48:30,239 --> 00:48:34,360
Speaker 1: So I would say that's a good spot. Um, I

802
00:48:34,400 --> 00:48:39,120
Speaker 1: would recommend it if I had the name. They speak

803
00:48:39,120 --> 00:48:43,239
Speaker 1: English there or they was all German. Uh, there's some

804
00:48:43,280 --> 00:48:47,000
Speaker 1: English speakers, some English speakers. You can find you speakers everywhere.

805
00:48:47,000 --> 00:48:51,239
Speaker 1: But there's a lot of I met and I met

806
00:48:51,239 --> 00:48:56,000
Speaker 1: a few Americans in bond like living or going to school,

807
00:48:56,520 --> 00:49:00,520
Speaker 1: so that was pretty interesting. Um. And most of the

808
00:49:00,520 --> 00:49:04,160
Speaker 1: Germans speak English, so you know, it wasn't a big

809
00:49:04,239 --> 00:49:06,600
Speaker 1: It wasn't a big adjustment in that area. And when

810
00:49:06,600 --> 00:49:10,440
Speaker 1: your teammates speak English and you're around them miney five

811
00:49:10,480 --> 00:49:15,320
Speaker 1: percent at the time, it's it's never that. What What

812
00:49:15,360 --> 00:49:17,360
Speaker 1: was it like to be recognized as a player of

813
00:49:17,400 --> 00:49:21,279
Speaker 1: the year in the Lake considering all these different things

814
00:49:21,360 --> 00:49:24,080
Speaker 1: you've been through, Right, didn't start as much as you

815
00:49:24,080 --> 00:49:28,360
Speaker 1: wanted Arizona I had, you had the stress fraction in

816
00:49:28,400 --> 00:49:32,040
Speaker 1: your leg. After college, you start in England, right, you

817
00:49:32,080 --> 00:49:34,440
Speaker 1: go to Germany your third years a pro your player

818
00:49:34,600 --> 00:49:37,279
Speaker 1: of the year in the league. What was that feel like.

819
00:49:41,400 --> 00:49:44,080
Speaker 1: I mean, I think sometimes I'm so hard on myself.

820
00:49:45,640 --> 00:49:50,640
Speaker 1: I forget to like, Okay, you know I had to

821
00:49:50,680 --> 00:49:53,440
Speaker 1: earn that, you know, I had to earn coming back

822
00:49:53,520 --> 00:49:57,280
Speaker 1: from injury and sitting out all that time and taking

823
00:49:57,320 --> 00:50:02,000
Speaker 1: my knocks getting cut. So it was, um, it was

824
00:50:02,000 --> 00:50:06,799
Speaker 1: really emotional. It was really emotional, and you know I

825
00:50:06,840 --> 00:50:10,879
Speaker 1: had to I had to really calm myself down. But

826
00:50:10,960 --> 00:50:13,560
Speaker 1: you know, it was unreal. It was an unreal feeling,

827
00:50:13,800 --> 00:50:17,080
Speaker 1: you know, holding the MVP trophy up. You know, you

828
00:50:17,200 --> 00:50:19,799
Speaker 1: never you know, you're good enough player to win that

829
00:50:19,840 --> 00:50:21,680
Speaker 1: type of a war. And I knew I was having

830
00:50:21,800 --> 00:50:25,759
Speaker 1: this year, but to get that award, you know, that's

831
00:50:25,760 --> 00:50:30,200
Speaker 1: a that's a one on one man's MVP like knowing

832
00:50:30,200 --> 00:50:36,839
Speaker 1: else has it. So it's like it's specially with your

833
00:50:36,880 --> 00:50:40,120
Speaker 1: personal work. Okay, you see all kinds of videos of

834
00:50:40,200 --> 00:50:42,399
Speaker 1: guys and getting in their bag or what. But you're

835
00:50:42,440 --> 00:50:48,279
Speaker 1: a pronounce right, So your workouts consist of what I said,

836
00:50:48,320 --> 00:50:54,839
Speaker 1: I think workhouse consist of like being sharp, not not

837
00:50:54,920 --> 00:50:59,120
Speaker 1: being like in the gym for hours, but like locking

838
00:50:59,160 --> 00:51:02,040
Speaker 1: in and keenan on things that you need to sharpen.

839
00:51:02,480 --> 00:51:05,279
Speaker 1: And my brother works me out on the summers. So

840
00:51:05,400 --> 00:51:11,120
Speaker 1: it's like form shooting um mike and drills. It's like

841
00:51:12,239 --> 00:51:19,080
Speaker 1: mid range, you know, balance and pull up and deep

842
00:51:19,200 --> 00:51:24,040
Speaker 1: range from three UM. It's like it's like those things

843
00:51:24,080 --> 00:51:26,520
Speaker 1: that you know are going to be important, especially as

844
00:51:26,520 --> 00:51:28,680
Speaker 1: a small guard. You know, I have to be able

845
00:51:28,719 --> 00:51:30,560
Speaker 1: to get my shot off. I have to be able

846
00:51:30,600 --> 00:51:34,960
Speaker 1: to score in tight spaces and then quickly. So it's

847
00:51:35,000 --> 00:51:38,239
Speaker 1: like it's those things that helped me in the summers

848
00:51:38,280 --> 00:51:42,040
Speaker 1: that are very important through throughout the season. You mentioned

849
00:51:42,040 --> 00:51:45,480
Speaker 1: how well you fit with Germany with your coach, but

850
00:51:45,560 --> 00:51:47,879
Speaker 1: then you leave and you go to Aspell. Right now,

851
00:51:47,880 --> 00:51:50,560
Speaker 1: that's where you are pro a in French. There's just

852
00:51:50,600 --> 00:51:56,720
Speaker 1: too much money. I mean, I think it's just another opportunity,

853
00:51:57,080 --> 00:52:00,680
Speaker 1: like a great opportunity. And talk to my coach from

854
00:52:00,719 --> 00:52:04,480
Speaker 1: Bond was like, you know, because things happen fast, you

855
00:52:04,560 --> 00:52:07,320
Speaker 1: know if you're gonna stay or what's gonna happen next

856
00:52:07,920 --> 00:52:11,359
Speaker 1: and as well, you know, they come and they call

857
00:52:11,640 --> 00:52:14,680
Speaker 1: and it's like it's as well, man, this is this

858
00:52:14,760 --> 00:52:17,360
Speaker 1: is an unreal opportunity. You know, so you have to

859
00:52:17,480 --> 00:52:20,200
Speaker 1: it's like you gotta wait to options. But then you

860
00:52:20,280 --> 00:52:23,640
Speaker 1: have to be like okay, you know here you have

861
00:52:23,719 --> 00:52:27,040
Speaker 1: this opportunity. It's not so much always about the money.

862
00:52:27,280 --> 00:52:29,920
Speaker 1: You know, the money is great, but now you can

863
00:52:29,960 --> 00:52:33,960
Speaker 1: set yourself up and keep moving up. And you know,

864
00:52:34,160 --> 00:52:37,960
Speaker 1: this opportunity was just the best thing for me in

865
00:52:38,040 --> 00:52:40,160
Speaker 1: my career, in the step that I needed to take.

866
00:52:42,160 --> 00:52:47,880
Speaker 1: You you can say, huh, it wasn't easy though, you know,

867
00:52:47,920 --> 00:52:50,680
Speaker 1: because Bonds. Bonds are great club, it's a great team,

868
00:52:50,719 --> 00:52:56,279
Speaker 1: it's a great city. Um, in ten years, where will

869
00:52:56,440 --> 00:53:00,680
Speaker 1: where will you be? Well, it's funny because if you

870
00:53:00,680 --> 00:53:03,920
Speaker 1: asked me that when I first started, where I'll be

871
00:53:03,960 --> 00:53:08,400
Speaker 1: in five years, I always said the highest level of Europe,

872
00:53:09,239 --> 00:53:12,239
Speaker 1: you know, European basketball. You know, now that I've now

873
00:53:12,280 --> 00:53:14,960
Speaker 1: that I'm here, it's like, okay, I just want to

874
00:53:14,960 --> 00:53:18,440
Speaker 1: get to the highest level period, whichever that means for me.

875
00:53:19,040 --> 00:53:22,080
Speaker 1: You know, maybe I just just keep writing this in

876
00:53:22,120 --> 00:53:25,439
Speaker 1: Europe and have a great career. Which would be which

877
00:53:25,480 --> 00:53:28,080
Speaker 1: would I would be totally fine with, you know, or

878
00:53:28,320 --> 00:53:30,960
Speaker 1: you just never know. I'm only twenty seven. I feel

879
00:53:30,960 --> 00:53:34,680
Speaker 1: like if I continue to grow and develop, who knows,

880
00:53:35,000 --> 00:53:37,680
Speaker 1: maybe I can play an NBA. UM. I know I

881
00:53:37,719 --> 00:53:40,960
Speaker 1: have the talent, I know I have the tools, So

882
00:53:41,239 --> 00:53:45,879
Speaker 1: I'm never counting myself out in regard. Just I take

883
00:53:45,920 --> 00:53:49,799
Speaker 1: everything as it comes and then I just do what

884
00:53:49,880 --> 00:53:53,360
Speaker 1: I do, and you know, I get the recognition from

885
00:53:53,480 --> 00:53:56,480
Speaker 1: whoever I feel like I need to get it from.

886
00:53:56,520 --> 00:53:59,080
Speaker 1: But I don't have to prove anything to myself. Already

887
00:53:59,080 --> 00:54:04,120
Speaker 1: know who I am. You, Um, you can be more

888
00:54:04,160 --> 00:54:07,839
Speaker 1: connected obviously with your family because of the internet. Here

889
00:54:07,880 --> 00:54:10,279
Speaker 1: we are, you're in you know, you're in France, I'm

890
00:54:10,320 --> 00:54:12,840
Speaker 1: in California. We're talking via zoom, like you can do

891
00:54:12,880 --> 00:54:16,759
Speaker 1: that stuff, but it's still not home. What's the thing

892
00:54:16,800 --> 00:54:21,880
Speaker 1: you missed the most when you're when you're overseas, Mom's cooking.

893
00:54:23,080 --> 00:54:29,480
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, it's those little things like being

894
00:54:29,480 --> 00:54:32,360
Speaker 1: around your family, you know, because it's ten months like

895
00:54:32,560 --> 00:54:35,440
Speaker 1: so it's not it's not an easy It's not an

896
00:54:35,480 --> 00:54:40,560
Speaker 1: easy thing by any means. And my family is very connected. Uh,

897
00:54:41,440 --> 00:54:44,880
Speaker 1: we're very close, so you know, leaving is always hard,

898
00:54:45,680 --> 00:54:48,040
Speaker 1: and then this is my fourth year. You know, it

899
00:54:48,040 --> 00:54:52,799
Speaker 1: never gets easier. But um, I feel like I've had

900
00:54:52,840 --> 00:54:57,040
Speaker 1: that experience now where Okay, I know I know that

901
00:54:57,200 --> 00:54:59,520
Speaker 1: I can deal with it and things will be okay

902
00:54:59,719 --> 00:55:03,439
Speaker 1: and come visit. So it's not black life or death

903
00:55:03,560 --> 00:55:08,000
Speaker 1: or anything. But I definitely miss being at home, you know,

904
00:55:08,440 --> 00:55:10,759
Speaker 1: being around my family because it's different being around and

905
00:55:10,800 --> 00:55:16,600
Speaker 1: than seeing him through a camera. Uh. But you know,

906
00:55:16,640 --> 00:55:19,280
Speaker 1: I'm lucky we do have technology and that they can't

907
00:55:19,280 --> 00:55:22,440
Speaker 1: come and visit, you know, because that really helps, you know,

908
00:55:22,520 --> 00:55:25,520
Speaker 1: throughout a long and lessons whatever it is, if you

909
00:55:25,560 --> 00:55:27,480
Speaker 1: were if you were going to give advice to Hooper's

910
00:55:27,520 --> 00:55:30,719
Speaker 1: because like it's really hard, like what what you're experiencing.

911
00:55:31,400 --> 00:55:33,600
Speaker 1: People don't really understand. They're like, well, you're going somewhere

912
00:55:33,640 --> 00:55:35,439
Speaker 1: in a different country, you're making money, there's some cool

913
00:55:35,480 --> 00:55:38,520
Speaker 1: parts to it. How do you how do you do it?

914
00:55:38,560 --> 00:55:42,120
Speaker 1: How do you how do you focus on the positives?

915
00:55:42,160 --> 00:55:45,840
Speaker 1: How do you continue to push forward? You know? You also, like,

916
00:55:45,920 --> 00:55:47,920
Speaker 1: here's another thing. You're in a poor country when they

917
00:55:47,920 --> 00:55:50,080
Speaker 1: don't speak your language, if you're not playing good, they're

918
00:55:50,120 --> 00:55:52,040
Speaker 1: all talking about you, but you can't understand them because

919
00:55:52,040 --> 00:55:53,640
Speaker 1: they're talking a different language. And they'll do it right

920
00:55:53,640 --> 00:55:57,319
Speaker 1: in front of you too. How do you, like, what

921
00:55:57,360 --> 00:55:59,640
Speaker 1: would the advice be to a Hooper to get through

922
00:56:00,360 --> 00:56:05,520
Speaker 1: the tough times you're playing overseas? Sh I would just

923
00:56:05,520 --> 00:56:10,279
Speaker 1: say state of course. I mean, god knows, I've been.

924
00:56:10,600 --> 00:56:15,480
Speaker 1: There's always a tough period and in your career every

925
00:56:15,520 --> 00:56:20,280
Speaker 1: season when you're overseas, like it could be an adjustment

926
00:56:20,280 --> 00:56:23,200
Speaker 1: at the beginning when you first get there. It could

927
00:56:23,200 --> 00:56:26,880
Speaker 1: be in the middle of the season around Christmas, but

928
00:56:27,880 --> 00:56:31,520
Speaker 1: like it gets better, you know, and you have to

929
00:56:31,760 --> 00:56:33,719
Speaker 1: you have to think that way, and you have to

930
00:56:33,760 --> 00:56:36,200
Speaker 1: step outside of yourself. You have to. You're gonna be

931
00:56:36,200 --> 00:56:42,839
Speaker 1: an uncomfortable positions. But the uncomfortable zone is a great

932
00:56:42,880 --> 00:56:45,200
Speaker 1: place because you learn a lot about yourself. Youeling a

933
00:56:45,239 --> 00:56:48,920
Speaker 1: lot about what you can deal with, what you can take.

934
00:56:49,480 --> 00:56:53,200
Speaker 1: And it's going to be uncomfortable. Like off the rib.

935
00:56:53,719 --> 00:56:59,120
Speaker 1: You're in a non speaking English country, not English speaking countries,

936
00:56:59,160 --> 00:57:02,319
Speaker 1: so you just have to you have to be nice

937
00:57:02,320 --> 00:57:05,319
Speaker 1: to yourself and not be so hard on yourself. You know.

938
00:57:05,360 --> 00:57:08,560
Speaker 1: I had to learn that, Like, man, why am I

939
00:57:08,680 --> 00:57:12,279
Speaker 1: not figuring this out so quickly? Why why am I?

940
00:57:12,400 --> 00:57:14,880
Speaker 1: You know what I mean? But it's like, do what

941
00:57:14,960 --> 00:57:18,840
Speaker 1: works for you and don't be afraid to get help

942
00:57:18,880 --> 00:57:21,360
Speaker 1: from people, you know, because there are people that have

943
00:57:21,440 --> 00:57:25,360
Speaker 1: been in my position before, and I think now more

944
00:57:25,400 --> 00:57:30,960
Speaker 1: Americans overseas are starting to form this like bond like

945
00:57:31,200 --> 00:57:35,840
Speaker 1: union almost within ourselves. Just like talking about our experiences

946
00:57:36,000 --> 00:57:41,400
Speaker 1: and trying to make our lives easier for each other.

947
00:57:41,760 --> 00:57:43,640
Speaker 1: Who have you who have you gotten close with it?

948
00:57:43,720 --> 00:57:50,760
Speaker 1: You didn't know before this experience, like Hooper's Yeah, Um well,

949
00:57:50,800 --> 00:57:53,560
Speaker 1: I feel like I know a lot of people. And

950
00:57:54,560 --> 00:57:58,920
Speaker 1: I would say, like guys like Kyle Faller, who's who's

951
00:57:58,960 --> 00:58:01,840
Speaker 1: been has been overseas for a long time. He's in

952
00:58:01,920 --> 00:58:07,160
Speaker 1: China now, yeah, huge, made huge money. Yeah, way better,

953
00:58:07,200 --> 00:58:10,880
Speaker 1: way better post college career than college career. Yeah, He's

954
00:58:10,960 --> 00:58:13,360
Speaker 1: kept getting better and he's traveled all over the place.

955
00:58:14,000 --> 00:58:17,480
Speaker 1: So yeah, yeah, yeah, So I have like some o

956
00:58:17,640 --> 00:58:20,360
Speaker 1: g s that are like overseas. You know that I've

957
00:58:20,360 --> 00:58:23,160
Speaker 1: been through everything, and you think like no one's been

958
00:58:23,200 --> 00:58:26,640
Speaker 1: through what you have, but they have. And so it's like,

959
00:58:28,680 --> 00:58:30,919
Speaker 1: you know, you talk to guys, you play a guy

960
00:58:31,200 --> 00:58:34,360
Speaker 1: on the team, you know he's American. It's like you

961
00:58:34,360 --> 00:58:37,000
Speaker 1: guys just followed try on Instagram and it's like yo yo,

962
00:58:37,160 --> 00:58:41,400
Speaker 1: like and you just start talking and chatting about your

963
00:58:41,400 --> 00:58:44,680
Speaker 1: experiences with your team and your city and then you

964
00:58:44,800 --> 00:58:49,480
Speaker 1: just be like, man, this is the same situation basically verbatim.

965
00:58:49,600 --> 00:58:53,400
Speaker 1: So you're not you're never alone. I think that's some

966
00:58:53,760 --> 00:58:56,200
Speaker 1: other advice that I could give to players that maybe

967
00:58:56,200 --> 00:58:59,280
Speaker 1: are thinking about playing Europe. It's like you have to

968
00:58:59,360 --> 00:59:02,800
Speaker 1: branch out, you know, you can't just stay. I've always

969
00:59:02,840 --> 00:59:05,480
Speaker 1: been a quiet kind of guy, but like I think

970
00:59:05,560 --> 00:59:09,520
Speaker 1: Europe has like really pushed me to step outside of myself,

971
00:59:10,040 --> 00:59:13,800
Speaker 1: you know, brought in my horizons. Try different things, see

972
00:59:13,840 --> 00:59:16,520
Speaker 1: different things, get outside the house, like those are all

973
00:59:16,560 --> 00:59:20,200
Speaker 1: important things. Well, here's what I want to do. I

974
00:59:20,240 --> 00:59:22,000
Speaker 1: want to check back in with you in a couple

975
00:59:22,000 --> 00:59:24,480
Speaker 1: of months when you guys get up and playing. Yeah,

976
00:59:25,080 --> 00:59:27,280
Speaker 1: see what it's like. See what this experience is like,

977
00:59:27,680 --> 00:59:30,640
Speaker 1: as opposed to bun, as opposed to France before in

978
00:59:30,720 --> 00:59:34,080
Speaker 1: pro b as opposed to England. Is that cool? That

979
00:59:34,160 --> 00:59:37,040
Speaker 1: sounds good? Man, sounds good? All right, we'll make sure

980
00:59:37,080 --> 00:59:39,000
Speaker 1: you we pump this out. Your family will see it

981
00:59:39,000 --> 00:59:42,240
Speaker 1: and hear it. It's awesome. And congrats an amazing year

982
00:59:42,320 --> 00:59:47,200
Speaker 1: last year and hopefully replicated this year. Thanks man, talk soon,

983
00:59:47,480 --> 00:59:52,920
Speaker 1: all right, park Thanks my thanks to Parker Jackson cart right, Man,

984
00:59:52,920 --> 00:59:55,600
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985
00:59:55,840 --> 00:59:57,960
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00:59:58,040 --> 01:00:00,720
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