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Speaker 2: Welcome to off the Cup, my personal anti anxiety antidote.

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Speaker 3: So I do.

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Speaker 2: I do a lot of podcasts, other people's podcasts, and

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Speaker 2: But sometimes it happens that I do someone's podcasts enough

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Speaker 2: Andy Astroy. He's an entrepreneur, a film and TV producer,

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Speaker 2: a director, a writer, and as of twenty twenty two,

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Speaker 2: he is host of the back Room with Andy Astroy podcast,

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Speaker 2: which I've had the pleasure of doing. I don't know

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Speaker 1: Absolutely thanks for having me. I'm just sitting here in

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Speaker 1: my plush robe now, kid, Yeah, my se cup robe.

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Speaker 2: We need to get one of those. We need to

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Speaker 2: start having those made. Uh, this is a reversal for us.

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Speaker 2: I'm I'm asking you questions for a change.

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Speaker 1: I know life feels so upside down right now.

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Speaker 3: In more ways than one, In more ways than one.

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Speaker 2: There's there's a lot I want to talk to you about,

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Speaker 2: but I want to start with your podcast. Why did

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Speaker 1: Well, I looked around and I realized there there weren't

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Speaker 1: I think six weeks later, I had my first interview.

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Speaker 1: I had Paul Rudd in the studio here, which was

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Speaker 2: And it's about it's about listening and really getting to

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Speaker 1: mommy killed herself and life moves on. And but you know,

435
00:23:28,359 --> 00:23:31,000
Speaker 1: when you're in that combat mode and you're it's like

436
00:23:31,080 --> 00:23:34,240
Speaker 1: you're fighting for survival on someone's legacy, you use whatever

437
00:23:34,320 --> 00:23:37,400
Speaker 1: you have. And again I just felt fortunate that I had.

438
00:23:38,200 --> 00:23:41,639
Speaker 1: I had my own tools, and I had people and

439
00:23:41,760 --> 00:23:44,680
Speaker 1: resources that I could try to tap. Look, the media

440
00:23:44,760 --> 00:23:46,320
Speaker 1: is free. You could be a bus driver and call

441
00:23:46,359 --> 00:23:48,119
Speaker 1: it by with this news. Yeah, and if your story

442
00:23:48,200 --> 00:23:51,160
Speaker 1: is important enough, which most are, because they'll they cover

443
00:23:51,320 --> 00:23:54,200
Speaker 1: fires like they'll cover anything. Back in the day, I

444
00:23:54,640 --> 00:23:57,760
Speaker 1: would speak to victims crime victims groups and just tell

445
00:23:57,800 --> 00:24:00,840
Speaker 1: them just you know, when your person gone, you have

446
00:24:00,960 --> 00:24:03,280
Speaker 1: to fight for them, right, use anything you can. And

447
00:24:03,359 --> 00:24:06,920
Speaker 1: the media is often ready and able and willing to help. Yeah.

448
00:24:07,720 --> 00:24:11,159
Speaker 2: Well, and then later you made a documentary called Adrian,

449
00:24:11,200 --> 00:24:12,720
Speaker 2: which premiered in twenty twenty one.

450
00:24:13,040 --> 00:24:15,600
Speaker 3: What was it like to.

451
00:24:17,440 --> 00:24:19,840
Speaker 2: In a way revisit that. I'm sure it never leaves you.

452
00:24:20,160 --> 00:24:24,600
Speaker 2: So it's not like you, you know, rediscovered this awful moment.

453
00:24:25,359 --> 00:24:28,600
Speaker 2: But what was it like to work on this so

454
00:24:28,720 --> 00:24:29,440
Speaker 2: many years later.

455
00:24:30,440 --> 00:24:33,360
Speaker 1: Well, it was a range of emotions. It was the obvious.

456
00:24:33,560 --> 00:24:36,280
Speaker 1: I mean, I went back down into the abyss, the

457
00:24:36,320 --> 00:24:39,480
Speaker 1: emotional abyss, but I also interviewed a ton of people

458
00:24:39,560 --> 00:24:41,680
Speaker 1: and I learned a lot about her. And my daughter,

459
00:24:41,760 --> 00:24:43,479
Speaker 1: Sophie came with me in a lot of the shoots

460
00:24:43,520 --> 00:24:45,960
Speaker 1: and she got to sit and listen to people talk

461
00:24:46,000 --> 00:24:47,960
Speaker 1: about her mom, and which was the whole point of it.

462
00:24:48,680 --> 00:24:51,840
Speaker 1: You know, when people get killed, especially in a well

463
00:24:51,960 --> 00:24:55,680
Speaker 1: known case, if they have some degree of fame, it's

464
00:24:55,800 --> 00:24:59,920
Speaker 1: like they just their legacy becomes murder victim. And yeah,

465
00:25:00,359 --> 00:25:03,480
Speaker 1: oftentimes people don't know who the person, who the human

466
00:25:03,600 --> 00:25:06,639
Speaker 1: being was, and so that was one of my reasons

467
00:25:06,680 --> 00:25:09,439
Speaker 1: for doing the film was to tell the world who

468
00:25:09,560 --> 00:25:12,280
Speaker 1: she was, but also to find out what really happened

469
00:25:12,320 --> 00:25:15,879
Speaker 1: that day, because the killer lied a couple of times,

470
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Speaker 1: once at his confession and once at his sentencing, and

471
00:25:18,640 --> 00:25:21,359
Speaker 1: I needed to know what happened. You know, there are

472
00:25:21,359 --> 00:25:23,959
Speaker 1: a lot of people that are like, you know it happened.

473
00:25:24,000 --> 00:25:26,480
Speaker 1: I don't need to know, I've moved forward whatever. Yeah,

474
00:25:26,640 --> 00:25:29,760
Speaker 1: I need to know, like, how did this amazing person

475
00:25:29,880 --> 00:25:33,200
Speaker 1: get taken off of this planet? Why is my daughter motherless?

476
00:25:33,240 --> 00:25:37,439
Speaker 1: That has to be some logical answer, and the ones

477
00:25:37,600 --> 00:25:41,879
Speaker 1: he gave they weren't truthful, and so that was reason

478
00:25:41,960 --> 00:25:44,920
Speaker 1: too for making the film. But you know, the film

479
00:25:44,960 --> 00:25:46,960
Speaker 1: itself was a rollercoaster. It was four years out of

480
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Speaker 1: my life. And there were periods, maybe almost a year,

481
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Speaker 1: where I would just sit and watch all the archival

482
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Speaker 1: footage that I had found, So I would sit all

483
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Speaker 1: day long and re is it her life, our life,

484
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Speaker 1: her life with Sophie, our life with Sophie. And it

485
00:26:07,119 --> 00:26:11,800
Speaker 1: was just like a sledgehammer to the heart. So that

486
00:26:12,400 --> 00:26:15,000
Speaker 1: that but I knew that it would it would take

487
00:26:15,080 --> 00:26:17,959
Speaker 1: me back, but then I knew that I would get

488
00:26:18,000 --> 00:26:20,400
Speaker 1: out of it again. So that kept me like, Okay,

489
00:26:20,480 --> 00:26:22,760
Speaker 1: you're just it's like, you know, you join the service,

490
00:26:22,800 --> 00:26:25,080
Speaker 1: you go to boot camp for eight ten weeks, but

491
00:26:25,160 --> 00:26:27,320
Speaker 1: then it's over. Like, yeah, I knew it was going

492
00:26:27,400 --> 00:26:29,160
Speaker 1: to be hell, but I knew it would be over.

493
00:26:29,280 --> 00:26:31,560
Speaker 1: And then I knew I'd have this in this film

494
00:26:31,800 --> 00:26:34,560
Speaker 1: that or I hoped i'd have this film that I

495
00:26:34,640 --> 00:26:36,720
Speaker 1: set out to make with a specific vision, and I

496
00:26:36,840 --> 00:26:38,560
Speaker 1: wanted it to be good and I wanted it to

497
00:26:38,840 --> 00:26:41,280
Speaker 1: do her justice and be a gift for my daughter

498
00:26:41,400 --> 00:26:43,760
Speaker 1: and the family. And so it was. It was like

499
00:26:43,880 --> 00:26:47,080
Speaker 1: climbing Mount Everest. It's going to be a blizzard, You're

500
00:26:47,080 --> 00:26:50,119
Speaker 1: probably gonna get sick, you may die like, but then

501
00:26:50,320 --> 00:26:52,480
Speaker 1: then you're gonna be up there and then you could

502
00:26:52,520 --> 00:26:54,280
Speaker 1: say you did it, you know. So that's that's what

503
00:26:54,359 --> 00:26:57,119
Speaker 1: it was like for me. It wasn't cathartic. People have

504
00:26:57,200 --> 00:26:59,160
Speaker 1: asked me like it was a cathartic, but it wasn't.

505
00:26:59,200 --> 00:27:01,920
Speaker 1: It was gratifying. I had a goal, I achieved it,

506
00:27:02,320 --> 00:27:07,199
Speaker 1: and it's something I never did before. Yeah, and now

507
00:27:07,280 --> 00:27:23,359
Speaker 1: it's out there and it's there forever. This is not

508
00:27:24,680 --> 00:27:25,080
Speaker 1: the same.

509
00:27:25,600 --> 00:27:27,639
Speaker 2: But I'm working on a book right now in my

510
00:27:27,720 --> 00:27:30,440
Speaker 2: mental health. And my first two books were on politics

511
00:27:30,480 --> 00:27:33,080
Speaker 2: and very easy to write. In fact, I wrote one

512
00:27:33,160 --> 00:27:38,080
Speaker 2: in six weeks because I'm fast. But this is about myself,

513
00:27:38,440 --> 00:27:41,720
Speaker 2: and it's about the darkest parts of myself, the hardest

514
00:27:41,760 --> 00:27:42,640
Speaker 2: parts of myself.

515
00:27:42,800 --> 00:27:44,679
Speaker 3: And it is not.

516
00:27:44,760 --> 00:27:50,200
Speaker 2: Cathartic to visit this stuff, but it is gratifying every

517
00:27:50,800 --> 00:27:53,920
Speaker 2: thousand words I get on paper every story I tell,

518
00:27:54,960 --> 00:27:56,560
Speaker 2: and I can't wait to get to the end of it.

519
00:27:56,640 --> 00:27:58,359
Speaker 3: But it's really really hard to.

520
00:27:58,480 --> 00:28:01,000
Speaker 2: Do because when I feel good, I don't want to

521
00:28:01,040 --> 00:28:02,840
Speaker 2: think about my mental.

522
00:28:02,600 --> 00:28:03,680
Speaker 3: Health and write about it.

523
00:28:03,840 --> 00:28:06,680
Speaker 2: So, you know, days weeks go by where I'm not

524
00:28:07,440 --> 00:28:09,280
Speaker 2: doing it because I don't want to live in it,

525
00:28:10,440 --> 00:28:13,280
Speaker 2: you know that day. But I know that when I'm

526
00:28:13,640 --> 00:28:16,399
Speaker 2: through it, and when I have a product that is

527
00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:20,359
Speaker 2: that is my story to share with other people, that

528
00:28:20,520 --> 00:28:23,720
Speaker 2: I will feel really good about it. Again, not cathartic

529
00:28:24,840 --> 00:28:27,680
Speaker 2: like you said. It's not that it's actually awful. It's

530
00:28:27,720 --> 00:28:31,480
Speaker 2: awful to live in this and write about it and

531
00:28:31,560 --> 00:28:36,600
Speaker 2: think about it and you know, relive every awful emotion,

532
00:28:37,560 --> 00:28:40,400
Speaker 2: but gratifying to do so I can relate a little again,

533
00:28:40,560 --> 00:28:41,080
Speaker 2: not the same.

534
00:28:42,400 --> 00:28:44,440
Speaker 3: You have since founded the Adrian Shelley Foundation.

535
00:28:44,600 --> 00:28:48,680
Speaker 1: What does that do? Our mission is to support women filmmakers,

536
00:28:49,080 --> 00:28:52,280
Speaker 1: and we've given out probably around one hundred and ten

537
00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:57,440
Speaker 1: production grants so far since two thousand and seven, including

538
00:28:57,520 --> 00:29:00,880
Speaker 1: people like Chloe Jao who made No Medland and won

539
00:29:00,880 --> 00:29:03,120
Speaker 1: an Oscar for Best Director for that a few years ago.

540
00:29:03,520 --> 00:29:05,400
Speaker 1: We gave her a grant in twenty twelve when she

541
00:29:05,520 --> 00:29:08,440
Speaker 1: was making short films and working on her first feature.

542
00:29:09,080 --> 00:29:14,000
Speaker 1: We partner with academic and filmmaking institutions like Columbia University,

543
00:29:14,640 --> 00:29:18,120
Speaker 1: the American Film Institute. We worked with NYU for a while.

544
00:29:18,320 --> 00:29:20,840
Speaker 1: We kind of mix up the colleges every few years,

545
00:29:21,360 --> 00:29:27,520
Speaker 1: but ifp Antucket Film Festival, Sundance Film Festivals, we have

546
00:29:27,560 --> 00:29:30,640
Speaker 1: about twelve you know, Rooftop Films, which is just like

547
00:29:30,800 --> 00:29:35,320
Speaker 1: this cool little Brooklyn based festival that shows only short films,

548
00:29:36,080 --> 00:29:38,560
Speaker 1: and once a year we give out a grant to

549
00:29:39,240 --> 00:29:44,000
Speaker 1: someone in each of those partner programs and it's been great,

550
00:29:44,160 --> 00:29:48,000
Speaker 1: you know. It's the grants are usually five thousand dollars,

551
00:29:48,040 --> 00:29:53,600
Speaker 1: so they're not small, and it's just another way of

552
00:29:54,760 --> 00:29:59,680
Speaker 1: building and expanding Adrian's legacy because there has to be again,

553
00:30:00,040 --> 00:30:03,760
Speaker 1: has to be some silver lining, otherwise it's just horrible, stored.

554
00:30:04,080 --> 00:30:07,680
Speaker 2: Right, senseless. Well, I want to thank you for sharing that.

555
00:30:07,880 --> 00:30:09,400
Speaker 2: I know you've shared it before, but I want to

556
00:30:09,440 --> 00:30:13,040
Speaker 2: thank you for sharing it with me, And I want

557
00:30:13,080 --> 00:30:14,120
Speaker 2: to switch gears a little bit.

558
00:30:14,200 --> 00:30:16,240
Speaker 3: You're you're very engaged in politics.

559
00:30:16,280 --> 00:30:19,480
Speaker 2: If people you know go on your Instagram or listen

560
00:30:19,520 --> 00:30:23,320
Speaker 2: to your podcast, you're very very into the news.

561
00:30:23,440 --> 00:30:25,120
Speaker 3: How much news do you watch in a day?

562
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Speaker 1: How many hours are there in the day. I won't

563
00:30:30,200 --> 00:30:32,800
Speaker 1: say that I watch a lot of news, but news.

564
00:30:33,000 --> 00:30:36,520
Speaker 3: Oh thanks, thanks, thanks a lot. You're the reason. You're

565
00:30:36,600 --> 00:30:37,960
Speaker 3: the reason our business is dying.

566
00:30:39,480 --> 00:30:42,840
Speaker 1: It's always on. So it's background music. Some you know,

567
00:30:42,920 --> 00:30:45,760
Speaker 1: some people will play jazz, I play se cup.

568
00:30:48,720 --> 00:30:50,040
Speaker 3: No, I know, you mean that's what I do too.

569
00:30:50,080 --> 00:30:52,280
Speaker 3: I just have it on all the time.

570
00:30:52,600 --> 00:30:56,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, because i mean, let's face it, the news cycle

571
00:30:56,160 --> 00:31:00,440
Speaker 1: is insane. There's something it's insane, wild and wacky, like

572
00:31:00,520 --> 00:31:04,840
Speaker 1: every ten minutes, and so yeah, I tell myself all

573
00:31:04,880 --> 00:31:06,600
Speaker 1: the time, like, you know, you could just check Twitter

574
00:31:06,720 --> 00:31:08,720
Speaker 1: every hour and you'll get the same, but it's not

575
00:31:08,880 --> 00:31:10,959
Speaker 1: the same. You know. I always love those people who

576
00:31:10,960 --> 00:31:12,720
Speaker 1: are like I get my news from Twitter. You know,

577
00:31:14,120 --> 00:31:16,520
Speaker 1: you got to wade through the cesspool that is Twitter

578
00:31:16,680 --> 00:31:20,360
Speaker 1: to get the stuff you want. And so when I'm working,

579
00:31:20,440 --> 00:31:23,320
Speaker 1: because you know, like last week, I did five interviews

580
00:31:23,360 --> 00:31:27,480
Speaker 1: and so I'm constantly prepping, I'm constantly researching, and so

581
00:31:27,560 --> 00:31:29,040
Speaker 1: I just I just have it on and it just

582
00:31:29,160 --> 00:31:34,000
Speaker 1: gives me that foundational knowledge that I need to have

583
00:31:34,160 --> 00:31:38,000
Speaker 1: a semi intelligent conversation. Yeah, with someone about this stuff.

584
00:31:38,280 --> 00:31:41,480
Speaker 1: You know, so, but I do, quote unquote watch it

585
00:31:41,680 --> 00:31:44,040
Speaker 1: a lot, but it's kind of I feel like, you know,

586
00:31:44,120 --> 00:31:46,240
Speaker 1: that's what I do now, So I have to.

587
00:31:47,920 --> 00:31:50,640
Speaker 2: Who's been your favorite podcast guests so far? And I'll

588
00:31:50,720 --> 00:31:53,680
Speaker 2: I'll take myself out of the running, so you don't

589
00:31:53,720 --> 00:31:54,560
Speaker 2: even have to deal with.

590
00:31:54,640 --> 00:31:58,920
Speaker 1: That, right. Well, I was gonna say, so, Okay, that's good, No,

591
00:31:59,000 --> 00:32:03,440
Speaker 1: who's been your favorite guest? You know? There because we're

592
00:32:03,600 --> 00:32:08,040
Speaker 1: politics and pop culture, but mostly politics, but every once

593
00:32:08,040 --> 00:32:10,000
Speaker 1: in a while I get to treat myself a little

594
00:32:10,000 --> 00:32:14,080
Speaker 1: bit with somebody from my past who's so important to

595
00:32:14,200 --> 00:32:18,120
Speaker 1: me in my life. But it's hard to say that

596
00:32:18,240 --> 00:32:22,640
Speaker 1: it's favorite, but it's more like just an episode that

597
00:32:22,720 --> 00:32:26,160
Speaker 1: I really really enjoyed on some different level. It wasn't like,

598
00:32:26,400 --> 00:32:29,680
Speaker 1: you know, talking about Trump whatever. I recently interviewed Pete Best,

599
00:32:29,720 --> 00:32:32,120
Speaker 1: who's the original drummer of the Beatles. I saw that.

600
00:32:32,400 --> 00:32:34,560
Speaker 3: I saw that on Instagram. I was so jealous.

601
00:32:34,800 --> 00:32:39,920
Speaker 1: That was like an hour of just goosebumps, totally literal goosebumps.

602
00:32:41,000 --> 00:32:48,440
Speaker 1: And I also interviewed Danny Bonaducci. Okay, Cartridge Family kind

603
00:32:48,480 --> 00:32:50,640
Speaker 1: of like a right wing area might even be a Trumper.

604
00:32:51,080 --> 00:32:53,640
Speaker 1: But the guy is so funny, and we had this

605
00:32:53,920 --> 00:32:57,440
Speaker 1: crazy chemistry and we had such a good time. All

606
00:32:57,480 --> 00:33:01,680
Speaker 1: we did was laugh. He's so quick and like, but

607
00:33:01,800 --> 00:33:04,120
Speaker 1: this is somebody I've been watching since I'm a little kid. Yeah.

608
00:33:04,160 --> 00:33:07,000
Speaker 1: So when I get to talk with people like that,

609
00:33:07,440 --> 00:33:10,520
Speaker 1: and they don't have to be terribly famous, like Danny Bonaducci,

610
00:33:10,680 --> 00:33:12,080
Speaker 1: I mean, he'll be the first to tell you he's

611
00:33:12,120 --> 00:33:15,600
Speaker 1: Danny Bonaducci. Yeah, he's not Brad Pitt. But it's just

612
00:33:15,680 --> 00:33:19,200
Speaker 1: someone who is like part of my own DNA at

613
00:33:19,240 --> 00:33:22,160
Speaker 1: this point, you know, someone that's been in my life

614
00:33:22,240 --> 00:33:26,360
Speaker 1: in some crazy cultural way for fifty years or whatever, yeah,

615
00:33:26,720 --> 00:33:31,400
Speaker 1: or more. And so stuff like that. Peter Frampton I

616
00:33:31,520 --> 00:33:36,320
Speaker 1: interviewed I Peter Frampton, Oh my god. And then in

617
00:33:36,400 --> 00:33:39,200
Speaker 1: the political world, you know, I always have fun talking

618
00:33:39,240 --> 00:33:41,920
Speaker 1: to people like Rick Wilson and you and you know,

619
00:33:42,440 --> 00:33:46,560
Speaker 1: I find it really fascinating to talk to former Republicans

620
00:33:46,720 --> 00:33:51,760
Speaker 1: or Conservatives or never Trumpers, because there's a there's a

621
00:33:51,920 --> 00:33:54,840
Speaker 1: whole perspective there that's really important. I Mean, I spent

622
00:33:54,960 --> 00:33:57,719
Speaker 1: years going why can't we fight like they fight. Now

623
00:33:57,760 --> 00:34:00,600
Speaker 1: I get to talk to Rick Wilson, I'm like, okay, right,

624
00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:04,200
Speaker 1: you know, and it's like, you know, it's like they

625
00:34:04,400 --> 00:34:07,880
Speaker 1: fight differently and then they're fighting on our side. It's great.

626
00:34:08,160 --> 00:34:09,759
Speaker 1: And the first time I had Rick Wilson on, I

627
00:34:09,880 --> 00:34:14,200
Speaker 1: was like, it's like Nicky Haley was the nominee. You'd

628
00:34:14,200 --> 00:34:16,560
Speaker 1: be going right back, wouldn't you, Like there would be

629
00:34:16,640 --> 00:34:19,280
Speaker 1: no more like we love Lincoln frustry like all the Dems,

630
00:34:19,520 --> 00:34:21,680
Speaker 1: we would be there. And I said, and you should,

631
00:34:22,200 --> 00:34:25,800
Speaker 1: you know, no one expects people like that, Stuart Stevens,

632
00:34:25,880 --> 00:34:30,160
Speaker 1: all those guys to be liberals or Democrats all in

633
00:34:30,200 --> 00:34:32,680
Speaker 1: the same boat because we're we're fighting for democracy.

634
00:34:32,840 --> 00:34:34,920
Speaker 2: But some people do because I come up against this

635
00:34:35,080 --> 00:34:37,400
Speaker 2: a lot, and some people are like, why wouldn't you

636
00:34:37,560 --> 00:34:38,719
Speaker 2: just vote for Democrats?

637
00:34:38,840 --> 00:34:39,000
Speaker 1: Now?

638
00:34:39,960 --> 00:34:42,680
Speaker 2: Your party is so terrible? And agree, the party is terrible,

639
00:34:42,840 --> 00:34:46,200
Speaker 2: but locally the party's not terrible. Locally, Republicans in my

640
00:34:46,280 --> 00:34:50,440
Speaker 2: town are normal. They care about normal things like cutting taxes, right.

641
00:34:51,360 --> 00:34:54,719
Speaker 1: So it's not and even social stuff like abortion and

642
00:34:54,840 --> 00:34:58,839
Speaker 1: gun reform, like the lines of blurred were, well, there's

643
00:34:58,920 --> 00:35:01,320
Speaker 1: issues that sort of bring us together as people.

644
00:35:01,880 --> 00:35:04,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think, I mean, I hope to be

645
00:35:05,000 --> 00:35:08,080
Speaker 2: a Republican again, but you know, I don't see that

646
00:35:08,200 --> 00:35:11,400
Speaker 2: happening anytime soon, because they've jettisoned the part that matters the.

647
00:35:11,440 --> 00:35:12,640
Speaker 3: Most to me, the conservatism.

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Speaker 2: No one is running on conservatism in either party anywhere anymore.

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Speaker 3: So it's just gone. It's dormant.

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Speaker 2: I hope it returns, but so for all intents and purposes,

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Speaker 2: now I see myself as sort of an independent, and

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Speaker 2: I'll vote for anyone who I think is normal and

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Speaker 2: sane and well intentioned. I might not like your policy solutions,

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Speaker 2: but the well intentioned part has become so important to me.

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Speaker 1: Isn't that kind of crazy that now we want to

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Speaker 1: pick our politicians by if they're normal and sane. It's

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Speaker 1: wild like it's not about policy anymore. It's just like sanity.

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Speaker 1: That's all I want is sanity.

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Speaker 2: All I did growing up, I don't mean as a kid,

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Speaker 2: but growing up as a conservative was talk about conservative

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Speaker 2: policies and the conservative canon and people.

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Speaker 3: Like Ayek and to Tokville. And no one cares about

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Speaker 3: that anymore. I don't think Marjorie Taylor Green knows who

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Speaker 3: any of those people are.

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Speaker 2: Couldn't identify a single conservative policy, and so we're sort

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Speaker 2: of in the wilderness and yes, now we're just talking

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Speaker 2: about Okay, who's saying who's normal?

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Speaker 3: Who can I vote for that is just a normal person.

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Speaker 3: It's wild.

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Speaker 1: It is wild because the Republican Party has been co

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Speaker 1: opted by a sociopath and they're all in a cult.

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Speaker 1: It's a cult of personality. And I don't know if,

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Speaker 1: I don't know how or when you can get that back.

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Speaker 1: I hope it gets back. I hope there's a room

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Speaker 1: for people like you to you know, we're a two

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Speaker 1: party country and we should have two parties. But both

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Speaker 1: parties used to be you meet at the Shore and

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Speaker 1: the National Defense and all that and write, you know,

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Speaker 1: bad Russia, like so goll upside down. Now it's like

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Speaker 1: we prefer Putin to you know, oh, Ukraine.

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Speaker 3: And it's it's nuts for a Reagan Conservative. Shit is crazy.

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Speaker 1: But I mean the January sixth thing, that to me

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Speaker 1: was when the party really jumped the shark. Yeah, because

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Speaker 1: it's like, there are this video of people beating the

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Speaker 1: ship out of cops.

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Speaker 3: So you're carrying crosses, carrying crosses.

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Speaker 1: Not the Party of faith, You're not the Party of

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Speaker 1: law and order. You're you're you're the Party of insurrection.

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Speaker 1: That's its own it say it.

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Speaker 2: You know, all right, you're getting my blood pressure up again.

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Speaker 2: And this is meant to do the opposite. Andy, this

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Speaker 2: is meant to do the opposite. Okay, I want to

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Speaker 2: do a lightning round. Sure, what's the worst candy ever?

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Speaker 1: Candy corn?

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Speaker 2: That's a good answer. It's not the correct answer. The

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Speaker 2: correct answer is circus peanuts. But I like I like

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Speaker 2: candy corn, as are he nuts?

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Speaker 4: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Best, especially when you're eating them and watching like elephants

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Speaker 1: stand on each other like in a row.

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Speaker 3: Now, okay, next question, And who is someone you'd like

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Speaker 3: to interview but you haven't yet?

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Speaker 1: Paul McCartney, Oh, tream big?

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Speaker 3: Why not start big?

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Speaker 1: Barack Obama? Okay, Hillary Clinton? If you're out there, ladies.

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Speaker 3: And gents, manifest it. Manifest it.

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Speaker 1: My schedule's open.

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Speaker 3: Put it on the vision board.

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Speaker 1: I like it.

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Speaker 3: I like it. Okay, Next question, City or Upstate?

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Speaker 1: Mm? Both?

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Speaker 3: I know you live in both worlds, but let's say

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Speaker 3: you had to pick one.

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Speaker 1: I might have to go with upstate.

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Speaker 3: So when would you see George old?

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Speaker 1: I'm old now like like a garage turns me on,

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Speaker 1: like used to be like young hot women walking around

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Speaker 1: and Lincoln center. That was my thing. Like now it's like,

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Speaker 1: give me, give me a fenced in thing for my

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Speaker 1: dog and a garage, an automatic garage door opener. That's

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Speaker 1: what turns me on. Now I'm with you, man, I'm

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Speaker 1: with you.

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Speaker 3: Uh okay. What's your favorite place to vacation?

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Speaker 1: Rome or Paris? Oh?

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Speaker 3: Two good ones, two good ones. Okay. And besides your

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Speaker 3: late wife, who's your favorite actor?

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Speaker 1: Robert de Niro?

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Speaker 3: Oh? Oh, we talked about Robert de Niro. I remember

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Speaker 3: this thing we did, talked about him when he came

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Speaker 3: about him.

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Speaker 1: It was to Narrow we talked. We were on during

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Speaker 1: De naro Quaid Week.

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Speaker 3: That was a week.

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Speaker 1: So that was a week like infrastructure a week. It

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Speaker 1: was to naro Quaid week. I think Bobby d One.

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Speaker 1: I gotta say Bobby d One.

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Speaker 2: Next question, this one's very important. It's important to me.

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Speaker 2: It's part of my culture. When is iced coffee.

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Speaker 1: Season, I have no idea. I don't drink coffee.

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Speaker 3: Okay. The correct answer is year round. It's year round.

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Speaker 1: All the days I wouldn't know I dropped out of coffee,

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Speaker 1: like thirty years ago.

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Speaker 2: Oh my god, Well, you didn't grow up in the

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Speaker 2: land of Duncan Donuts in Massachusetts, where I had a

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Speaker 2: dunk in my high school. Okay, it is by religion.

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Speaker 1: I know my daughter lives in Massachusetts. That's all we

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Speaker 1: do is go to Duncan. It's like a Duncan on

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Speaker 1: every every.

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Speaker 2: You must, you must, it is religion. Andy Ostroy, thank

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Speaker 2: you so much for joining me on Off the Cup.

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Speaker 3: I really appreciate it. It's always so fun to talk

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Speaker 3: to you. This was fun.

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Speaker 1: Thanks for having me.

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Speaker 2: Coming up next week. I talked to celebrity chef Ming Si.

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Speaker 5: It sounds cliche, but we literally made dumplings together. Weally

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Speaker 5: out in the kitchen. I literally, as soon as I

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Speaker 5: could walk, would be in the kitchen because I like

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Speaker 5: the smell, the sound, these scraps of food that grandparents

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Speaker 5: are parents would.

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Speaker 1: Hand to me.

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