WEBVTT - Anthony Keyvan of XO, Kitty

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<v Speaker 1>Hey guys, welcome to I've never said this before with me,

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<v Speaker 1>Tommy di Dario, it is always so much fun for

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<v Speaker 1>me to have an artist on my show whose work

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<v Speaker 1>makes so many people feel seen. That is the power

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<v Speaker 1>of TV and film. I always say it. It's the

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<v Speaker 1>way that a character can make someone feel, I don't know,

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<v Speaker 1>a little less alone in the world. It's just so awesome,

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<v Speaker 1>and that is exactly what my guest today has become

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<v Speaker 1>known for. Anthony kay Vaughan joins my show who you

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<v Speaker 1>most likely are currently watching in the smash hit Netflix

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<v Speaker 1>series Exo Kitty, which just got renewed for a much

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<v Speaker 1>deserved season three. Anthony has been portraying various roles in

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<v Speaker 1>film and TV since five years old, but perhaps became

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<v Speaker 1>a household name by playing raheem and unrestrained and hysterical

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<v Speaker 1>queer student in the series Love Victor. Now in Nexokitty,

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<v Speaker 1>his character Q also explores themes of identity within the

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<v Speaker 1>LGBTQ plus community as he navigates his relationship with a

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<v Speaker 1>fellow athlete. He also plays Kitty's best friend, and every

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<v Speaker 1>line he delivers Ugh his comedic gold. He's an actor

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<v Speaker 1>that you very much sh be keeping your eyes on

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<v Speaker 1>because he is a rising star in Hollywood. So let's

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<v Speaker 1>see if today we can get Anthony to say something

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<v Speaker 1>that he has never said before.

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<v Speaker 2>Anthony, how are you? My friend? It's so good to

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<v Speaker 2>be with you.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm doing good. Good to be here.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you for having me, Happy to have you.

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<v Speaker 1>You have so much going on, so many exciting things

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<v Speaker 1>are happening in your life. I know there's some big

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<v Speaker 1>news that we are fresh off of, which we're going

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<v Speaker 1>to dive into all of that. But first of all, like,

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<v Speaker 1>how has this whirlwind been for you? You know, the

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<v Speaker 1>show Likes So Kiddy Season two came out. I imagine

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<v Speaker 1>it's just like a roller coaster that you're just kind

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<v Speaker 1>of strapped onto.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, Yeah, a bit. It's very surreal. I from the beginning,

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<v Speaker 3>I keep pinching myself because I don't know. I have

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<v Speaker 3>like this crazy imposter syndrome. I feel like I've been

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<v Speaker 3>doing this a long time, but every day I feel

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<v Speaker 3>like am I supposed to be doing this? Like? Is

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<v Speaker 3>this real? Is this actually happening? Like I'm very pessimistic

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<v Speaker 3>about it all, but it is insane how amazing this

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<v Speaker 3>journey has been and how successful the show has been

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<v Speaker 3>so Yeah, I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>It's so funny that such a seasoned actor and artist

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<v Speaker 1>like yourself still feels like that, like even in the

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<v Speaker 1>game since you were five, and you're You're like, should

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<v Speaker 1>I be here?

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<v Speaker 2>Like that's wild to me.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know. I mean, I think I've just been

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<v Speaker 3>dealing with a lot of rejection over the years. I'm

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<v Speaker 3>like conditioned to believe that this isn't real, this isn't happening.

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<v Speaker 3>But I don't know, I've put in a lot of work,

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<v Speaker 3>a lot of time, so I have to like remind

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<v Speaker 3>myself sometimes that like it's okay to be okay with

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<v Speaker 3>all of this.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, like to allow yourself like, oh wow, I can

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<v Speaker 1>enjoy the success because it's happening then and I'm here,

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<v Speaker 1>and like I imagine you have to remind yourself to

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<v Speaker 1>kind of live in that moment too.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah I do. I do, And like my castmates are

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<v Speaker 3>great at reminding me, especially like she and I kind

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<v Speaker 3>of like have the same mindset when it comes to

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<v Speaker 3>this kind of stuff, like no way we're doing this

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<v Speaker 3>right now, like this is this isn't happening, like that

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<v Speaker 3>we don't deserve this, this is crazy. But then we

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<v Speaker 3>have to like remind ourselves, like, no, no, We've worked

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<v Speaker 3>our whole lives to be here. We are here because

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<v Speaker 3>we are the best people for the job, and that's okay.

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<v Speaker 3>We need to just understand that at this point.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you think that comes from, like you said, so

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<v Speaker 1>much rejection over the years that you just almost can't

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<v Speaker 1>believe you are at this point of your life and

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<v Speaker 1>point in your career, or what do you think that

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<v Speaker 1>it stems from? Because I look at you and I'm like, man,

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<v Speaker 1>he's been on successful shows and he's a small percentage

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<v Speaker 1>of people actually doing it. So it's so strange from

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<v Speaker 1>an outside perspective to hear someone like you be like,

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<v Speaker 1>oh my god, I feel like I'm I'm suffering from

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<v Speaker 1>imposter syndrome. More like it can be taken away because

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<v Speaker 1>I'm like, you're in it, You're doing it.

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<v Speaker 3>I think it's just yeah, I think it has been

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<v Speaker 3>just I mean, for every job that I have, there

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<v Speaker 3>are a hundred, if not a thousand no's, So it

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<v Speaker 3>is kind of like, is this actually happening? Or I

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<v Speaker 3>have to be very cautious with my excitement when it

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<v Speaker 3>comes to these kinds of things, Like I've done a

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<v Speaker 3>ton of pilots that never went to series. I've been

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<v Speaker 3>given jobs that were actually like actually, just kidding, we're

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<v Speaker 3>going to give it to someone else. And I've been

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<v Speaker 3>in that position where I was the guy who was

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<v Speaker 3>given the job after someone else has been cast. So

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<v Speaker 3>there's just so much volatility in this industry that, like

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<v Speaker 3>it's I try not to get excited until I'm like, actually, there,

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<v Speaker 3>the ink is dry and I'm in front of the

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<v Speaker 3>camera because then it's like, okay, well, at least even

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<v Speaker 3>if they do fire me, I'll still get paid for.

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<v Speaker 2>This, right, right. And it's self protection, right, I get it.

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<v Speaker 1>I get that you want to guard your feelings and

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<v Speaker 1>kind of guard your heart before you get super excited

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<v Speaker 1>about something. I think that's relatable to people in many

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<v Speaker 1>different professions as well. But I hope you've been taking

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<v Speaker 1>a minute to you celebrate as much as you can

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<v Speaker 1>everything you've accomplished, especially with XO Kitty and your entire career.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's really cool because you're someone who seems

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<v Speaker 1>to find themselves in these sort of coming of age

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<v Speaker 1>stories and they resonate in such a big way with

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<v Speaker 1>so many people because it's so relatable. So for you,

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<v Speaker 1>what do you love about being a part of that genre?

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<v Speaker 2>So to speak?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I mean I never really intended for this to happen,

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<v Speaker 3>like so close in proximity to the last job. But

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<v Speaker 3>I love telling these stories because there's an element of

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<v Speaker 3>realness to them and like all of these stories, I

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<v Speaker 3>feel someone has been in these shoes before, and it's

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<v Speaker 3>amazing to get to like walk those same footsteps as

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<v Speaker 3>someone else and like show that representation and be a

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<v Speaker 3>part of this story, whether it be a queer coming

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<v Speaker 3>of age story or just like a kid figuring their

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<v Speaker 3>shit out? Can I cuss on your you? Can?

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<v Speaker 2>You can say whatever you want on here.

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<v Speaker 3>And like for some and like myself, I look up

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<v Speaker 3>to the people that I'm working with, like if I'm

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<v Speaker 3>putting myself in my sixteen year old shoes, like I

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<v Speaker 3>would be watching these shows and feel seen and feel

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<v Speaker 3>heard so and just like reading the messages that people

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<v Speaker 3>have sent and seeing how much these performances and these

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<v Speaker 3>stories has impacted them, it makes it so worth it.

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<v Speaker 3>And like I don't know, again, I never saw myself

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<v Speaker 3>in this genre growing up. I never thought like, oh

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<v Speaker 3>I want to be doing like why shows, but they

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<v Speaker 3>are so important and they are so needed. I feel like,

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<v Speaker 3>so it's been really cool that I've gotten to do

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<v Speaker 3>what I've been doing for the past few years and

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<v Speaker 3>continuing to do it.

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<v Speaker 1>And what's so cool about your work is I think

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<v Speaker 1>back at some of those more coming of age stories

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<v Speaker 1>that I grew up with, and throughout my life I

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<v Speaker 1>can kind of pinpoint the moments that made me look

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<v Speaker 1>back at those shows or movies and made me think like,

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<v Speaker 1>oh yeah, I felt totally seen and like I could

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<v Speaker 1>relate to that moment in my own life, and I

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<v Speaker 1>think that's something people carry with them forever. So in

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<v Speaker 1>some ways, you know, all genres are great and important,

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<v Speaker 1>but in some ways, this genre is I think so

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<v Speaker 1>personal for so many people.

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<v Speaker 3>I agree and like, just like what you were saying.

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<v Speaker 3>I get stopped sometimes by grown men who are like

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<v Speaker 3>your performance on The Victor has resonated with me so

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<v Speaker 3>much like and that to me is like, Wow, this

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<v Speaker 3>isn't just for like people coming of age. This is

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<v Speaker 3>for people of all ages who didn't get these stories

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<v Speaker 3>or media representation in their childhoods or in their growing

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<v Speaker 3>up and now are seeing it and it's like healing

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<v Speaker 3>the inner child within them and it's it's really an

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<v Speaker 3>honor to do what I do and to be a

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<v Speaker 3>part of someone's like coming of age story. So yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know. I think I'm rambling, but it really

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<v Speaker 3>is to a freaking, like weird but amazing and special,

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<v Speaker 3>magical thing that I get to do, and I never

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<v Speaker 3>ever imagined it would be this impactful.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, and for that reason, and among many other reasons,

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<v Speaker 1>people are so psyched that a season three just got announced.

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<v Speaker 2>Were you were you? Did you have a feeling that

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<v Speaker 2>was coming?

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<v Speaker 1>Were you like, all right, we got this or how

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<v Speaker 1>does that work for you when you let go of

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<v Speaker 1>a season you're waiting for a new pickup?

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<v Speaker 2>Were you mentally?

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<v Speaker 3>You know? It's so interesting because if you had asked

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<v Speaker 3>me two years ago while we were filming season one,

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<v Speaker 3>I honestly was like, Oh, I feel like this is

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<v Speaker 3>such a niche show. No one's really gonna watch it.

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<v Speaker 3>Like I fully wrote it off in my head that

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<v Speaker 3>this is going to be a one season show. It's

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<v Speaker 3>going to go away and no one's going to talk

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<v Speaker 3>about it. And then the show came out for season

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<v Speaker 3>one and the audience reaction was so intense. I was

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<v Speaker 3>really taken aback by it all, and then we immediately

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<v Speaker 3>got a second season, and then the strike happened and

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<v Speaker 3>then we didn't hear anything. We went dark for like

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<v Speaker 3>eight months. So I was like, oh, maybe our show

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<v Speaker 3>is just going to go away like so many other

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<v Speaker 3>shows did. But no, like Netflix and the studio were like,

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<v Speaker 3>we're going back as soon as the strike is over,

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<v Speaker 3>We're going back, and we did it. So coming into

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<v Speaker 3>season two, I felt like really confident that people the audience,

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<v Speaker 3>the creatives, and the people at the studio were confident

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<v Speaker 3>in us and our show. So when season two came out,

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<v Speaker 3>I felt honestly like, yeah, I think we are going

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<v Speaker 3>to do a third season. Everyone's been talking about it.

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<v Speaker 3>While we were filming season two. They were already talking

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<v Speaker 3>about season three. But it's easy to fall back into

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<v Speaker 3>that kind of pessimistic mindset that I've been conditioned to

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<v Speaker 3>have growing up, that like, okay, yeah, well, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>you can't take everyone's word for it, Like people say

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<v Speaker 3>things all the time and then it doesn't come to fruition.

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<v Speaker 3>But I don't know. Usually I'm like checking every day

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<v Speaker 3>with my team. Have we heard anything yet? Have we

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<v Speaker 3>gotten a pick up letter? Has the studio reached out

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<v Speaker 3>for dates yet, and I didn't this time. I was

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<v Speaker 3>just kind of like, I think, I honestly think it's

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<v Speaker 3>going to happen, and I think I can say this.

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<v Speaker 3>Back in October, I found out that the writers went

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<v Speaker 3>back in the room and started writing season three. So

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<v Speaker 3>I'm like, this is all like all signs are pointing

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<v Speaker 3>to yes. And so I didn't lose any sleep over it.

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<v Speaker 3>I honestly was like, it's a good chance that it's

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<v Speaker 3>going to happen. I'm prepping myself. I'm like buying all

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<v Speaker 3>the things that I need from when we go back

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<v Speaker 3>to Korea. So I just kind of had that in

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<v Speaker 3>my head that it was going to happen. And then

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<v Speaker 3>Jessica called us a few weeks ago, our showrunner, and

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<v Speaker 3>told us the news, and it was almost like yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>I figured, yeah, we're going back, We're going back, and

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<v Speaker 3>like I was like, oh my gosh, yes, yes, yes,

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<v Speaker 3>Like I feel like I normally would have because something

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<v Speaker 3>just inside me knew that this story wasn't done being

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<v Speaker 3>told yet.

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<v Speaker 2>Look at that.

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<v Speaker 1>That is what I think is called growth, Right, You're

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<v Speaker 1>like stepping out of that pessimistic mindset and allowing what

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<v Speaker 1>you deserve to come your way and being like yeah, cool,

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<v Speaker 1>that feels right, okay, awesome, which which is pretty right

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<v Speaker 1>on your character. He's people just adore him. Q means

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<v Speaker 1>so much to so many people. He's very confident and

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<v Speaker 1>put together and you know, sure of himself.

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<v Speaker 2>Are you all those things? Can you relate to Q?

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<v Speaker 3>Oh?

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<v Speaker 2>My god?

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<v Speaker 3>No, no, no no. It's so fun playing C because

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<v Speaker 3>it gets it feels like I'm playing like a way

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<v Speaker 3>more confident version of myself. I always said this, like

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<v Speaker 3>I've never felt more comfortable than when I'm pretending to

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<v Speaker 3>be somebody else. This is why I do my job.

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<v Speaker 3>Like I am one of the most anxiety people you'll

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<v Speaker 3>ever meet. So getting to like play a character who's

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<v Speaker 3>popular in high school and is confident in his own skin,

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<v Speaker 3>it's not something that I normally am, or was when

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<v Speaker 3>I was Q's age, because I think you, like sixteen seventeen.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm twenty four now and I'm still working on all

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<v Speaker 3>of this. So it's nice to play these characters because

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<v Speaker 3>I get to take pieces of them. It's like my

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<v Speaker 3>own kind of like therapy, which sounds so messed up,

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<v Speaker 3>but like I see what Q's capable of and I'm like, well,

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<v Speaker 3>if he can do it, then I can do it,

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<v Speaker 3>and I take that home with me sometimes. So to

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<v Speaker 3>answer your question, no, I don't feel like I am

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<v Speaker 3>like Q in a lot of ways, but I am

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<v Speaker 3>starting to grow into that a little bit and take

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<v Speaker 3>parts of him with me when I go home.

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<v Speaker 1>Well that's pretty cool, and that's that's always fun to

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<v Speaker 1>me when I think an artist can learn from who

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<v Speaker 1>they're playing and pull something from at least you know,

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<v Speaker 1>their their life to better enrich your own, right, Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>Usually it's the other way around, Like you put your

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<v Speaker 3>own personal experiences into your characters, and honestly, like that

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<v Speaker 3>does work too. But for the characters that I have

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<v Speaker 3>been playing recently, I've learned a lot about myself because

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<v Speaker 3>of playing them, and it's like someone's giving them a

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<v Speaker 3>script already and I know the outcome and so I

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<v Speaker 3>get to like play with that in my real life.

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<v Speaker 1>Well that's cool, though, because that tells me you're someone

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<v Speaker 1>who's very open to growth and learning and not, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>not digging your feet in the ground and saying I

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<v Speaker 1>am who I am and there's no room for change.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like, no, I want to be better. I want

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<v Speaker 2>to keep evolving.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that's why we're put on this earth. Like people

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<v Speaker 3>think when you graduate high school, you got everything figured out,

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<v Speaker 3>and that's not the case. Like I am constantly learning

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<v Speaker 3>and having life lessons being taught to me all the time.

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<v Speaker 3>And that's what I think is like beautiful about doing

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<v Speaker 3>my job is I get to meet so many new people,

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<v Speaker 3>experience different cultures, and continue to grow. Like that's all

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<v Speaker 3>that I really want to do as a person and

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<v Speaker 3>an artist.

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<v Speaker 1>You work with Anna Cathcart very closely. You play her

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<v Speaker 1>best friend. I had her on my show. She adores you.

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<v Speaker 1>I imagine working with her is just the best.

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<v Speaker 3>It really is. It's funny because we didn't know each

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<v Speaker 3>other prior to the show. We had one like chemistry read,

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<v Speaker 3>but it was over zoom and so like we didn't

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<v Speaker 3>really get a feel for each other. And I remember

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<v Speaker 3>we were about to start filming season one. We had

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<v Speaker 3>just kind of like landed in Korea, and I was

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<v Speaker 3>walking out of the hotel and she was being driven

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<v Speaker 3>back into the hotel like in the ballet area, and

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<v Speaker 3>she like swings open the van door and I look behind.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm like, are you Anna, And she's like, are you Anthony?

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<v Speaker 3>And like we like run and like it's almost like

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<v Speaker 3>that season two episode one scene where we like embrace

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<v Speaker 3>each other and like spin around and we're like, I'm

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<v Speaker 3>so happy to meet you. And from that moment on,

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<v Speaker 3>I was like, this girl is real. She's not some

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<v Speaker 3>random little screen on my computer. She's a real person.

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<v Speaker 3>And we clicked immediately. And I think also because the

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<v Speaker 3>both of us had quite a bit of an experience

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<v Speaker 3>in the industry, whereas like a lot of our cast

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<v Speaker 3>members were pretty green and didn't have a lot of

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<v Speaker 3>well some of them actually never had worked or acted before,

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<v Speaker 3>so there was that kind of like mutual understanding of like, Okay,

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<v Speaker 3>we're entering a new space and we're going to be

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<v Speaker 3>in Korea and doing this thing together with a bunch

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<v Speaker 3>of people who don't really know what's going on. So

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<v Speaker 3>we immediately bonded on that. And also, like our scenes

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<v Speaker 3>just kind of like flew by, we were the ones

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<v Speaker 3>that like the eighties would come up to us and

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<v Speaker 3>be like we knew you'd be able to get us

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<v Speaker 3>home on time, and that it was just like fun

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<v Speaker 3>to be able to do that for our show and

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<v Speaker 3>with each other. And I just remember like season two,

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<v Speaker 3>we had one scene. It was the first scene for

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<v Speaker 3>me of the season, and the sun was setting and

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<v Speaker 3>it was an outdoor scene and we only had like

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<v Speaker 3>fifteen minutes to get this scene in both of our coverage,

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<v Speaker 3>which isn't a lot of time. And then we started

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<v Speaker 3>rehearsing as they're setting up camera and I remember the

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<v Speaker 3>script supervisors like you what are you reading? We're like

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<v Speaker 3>the scene? What do you mean? This is the scene?

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<v Speaker 3>And she's like that's not the scene anymore. And I'm like,

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<v Speaker 3>we didn't get the new pages because like sometimes they

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<v Speaker 3>like print out stuff like day of and then they

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<v Speaker 3>expect you to like memorize it, and they someone forgot

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<v Speaker 3>to like give us a new so they gave us

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<v Speaker 3>the new pages, and I remember us like yelling the

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<v Speaker 3>lines at each other and then they're like almost done

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<v Speaker 3>setting up and they like finished setting up and they're like, okay,

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<v Speaker 3>hate your marks. And then we do the scene. We

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<v Speaker 3>did it in like two takes, and I remember us

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<v Speaker 3>looking at each other and be like, we're so back.

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<v Speaker 3>We're so back, Like we have this amazing chemistry on

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<v Speaker 3>and off camera, and I love working with the girl

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<v Speaker 3>because it's just so obvious to everyone else. And it's

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<v Speaker 3>so easy. That's what. That's the best way I can

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<v Speaker 3>explain our work, our professional and our personal relationship is

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<v Speaker 3>just easy.

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<v Speaker 1>Well to the point of I think people confuse the

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<v Speaker 1>both of you with your characters because it feels so natural,

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<v Speaker 1>you know what I mean. Yeah, that's awesome. That's a

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<v Speaker 1>testament to the work that you guys do well. I

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<v Speaker 1>know people are so excited for more of that in

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<v Speaker 1>season three. And you've shared a little bit about what

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<v Speaker 1>you want to see for your character in season three,

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<v Speaker 1>But is there anything else that you haven't really said

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<v Speaker 1>yet that you want to explore for Q?

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know, Like I kind of want him to

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<v Speaker 3>have his own love triangle, some drama for Q, because

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<v Speaker 3>I feel like you's the one that's always like so

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<v Speaker 3>put together and like has everything figured out and isn't

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<v Speaker 3>like the one that the drama or the chaos is surrounding.

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<v Speaker 3>So it'd be cool to like get to step into

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<v Speaker 3>kiddy shoes a little bit and like, look some shit up.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Do you ever have say in what happens to

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<v Speaker 2>your character or No?

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, like I can I can talk to the

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<v Speaker 3>writers and ask them, like, Hey, what are you thinking

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<v Speaker 3>for this like what if we did that? I was

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<v Speaker 3>very adamant on like being true to myself in terms

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<v Speaker 3>of my heritage and like having them add that we

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<v Speaker 3>were I was Iranian and Filipino and they were super that,

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<v Speaker 3>which I'm very grateful for. But as in terms of story,

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<v Speaker 3>like that's the writer's job, I have no say, Like

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<v Speaker 3>my job is to say the lines, basically, but like

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<v Speaker 3>it is nice to like kind of, you know, go

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<v Speaker 3>in and be like, what if we did this? And

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<v Speaker 3>usually they're very collaborative and very open to what I

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<v Speaker 3>like suggestions I have, but no, I have no idea

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<v Speaker 3>what's in store first. I mean I have a little

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<v Speaker 3>bit of an idea, but I don't know what's actually

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<v Speaker 3>written and what's on paper.

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<v Speaker 1>I would be so tempted to be hounding the writers like, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>have you worked on anything today?

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<v Speaker 2>Anything takes a lot.

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<v Speaker 3>It takes a lot to not be like that because

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<v Speaker 3>I used to be like, so, what's happening? What's happening?

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<v Speaker 3>And like nine times out of ten, like if you're

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<v Speaker 3>filming season two and you're like, what are you thinking

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<v Speaker 3>for season three? They'll give you ideas, but those things

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<v Speaker 3>change so much, like based off of audience reaction of

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<v Speaker 3>the season. The studio has opinions, the network has opinions

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<v Speaker 3>of what they want the show to look like, so

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<v Speaker 3>like they could have ideas, but like it could be

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<v Speaker 3>completely different by the time you actually start filming the season,

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<v Speaker 3>which has happened on every show that I've been.

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<v Speaker 2>On so on. Behalf of all the fans.

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<v Speaker 1>When I announced you as my guest, I feel like

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<v Speaker 1>it is my duty to ask you this question.

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<v Speaker 2>You look nervous.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm a little nervous.

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<v Speaker 2>I know I just made it very dramatic.

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<v Speaker 1>People are very interested who you want the endgame for

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<v Speaker 1>Kitty to be.

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<v Speaker 3>I knew this was coming, did you? I knew this

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<v Speaker 3>was coming. Yeah. Everyone always wants to know this answer.

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<v Speaker 3>I okay, how do I say this? I really hope

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<v Speaker 3>that whatever happens in terms of Kitty's love story is

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<v Speaker 3>what she wants. I hope that it is a relationship

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<v Speaker 3>of growth and understanding. I think, and this is I

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<v Speaker 3>don't want to be like I don't want anyone to

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<v Speaker 3>take this as the word of Exokitty. I have a

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<v Speaker 3>feeling it could be minho. Just the way that the

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<v Speaker 3>writing has gone, it is very like k drama. E

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<v Speaker 3>of them to do the slow burn. I can see

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<v Speaker 3>it happening that way, but at the same time our

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<v Speaker 3>show is constantly throwing curveballs, So season three, something else

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<v Speaker 3>could happen. I have no idea, but for me as

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<v Speaker 3>me personally as a viewer, I think Kitty and Minho

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<v Speaker 3>are really cute. But I love the that she got

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<v Speaker 3>to explore that with Yuri as well in season two

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<v Speaker 3>because she is by and that's you know, there's I

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<v Speaker 3>feel like a lot of people have opinions on like

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<v Speaker 3>a bygirl ending up with a boy, which some of

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<v Speaker 3>it's valid and some of it's not. And I just

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<v Speaker 3>really want Kitty to be happy. That's all I want.

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<v Speaker 3>Like the whole reason why she came to Korea was

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<v Speaker 3>to discover herself and what she wants and understand who

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<v Speaker 3>she is in terms of who she loves and who

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<v Speaker 3>her family is. So I just want to see Kitty

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<v Speaker 3>like just for that and be okay, that's really my goal.

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<v Speaker 3>I hope that was sufficient enough answer.

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<v Speaker 2>That is that's a good answer.

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<v Speaker 1>That was spoken like a true best friend in character

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<v Speaker 1>and out of character Kidi and Annas, So I think

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<v Speaker 1>that's that's.

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<v Speaker 2>Really really cool.

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<v Speaker 1>I love that you play these characters who, just as

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<v Speaker 1>I alluded to earlier, means so much to so many people.

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<v Speaker 2>Of course, from Le Victor to this show.

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<v Speaker 1>The representation alone that you provide through your work for

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<v Speaker 1>so many is something that just makes it makes people

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<v Speaker 1>feel like, oh my god, I may not have this

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<v Speaker 1>in my small hometown, but I can see it on

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<v Speaker 1>screen and I feel like, okay, cool, Like I am valid.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm seeing things are going to get better for me.

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<v Speaker 1>I imagine for you. You must wear that badge of honor with pride.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's a complete honor. Again, I told, like I said,

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<v Speaker 3>I never expected my career to be and it's such

0:22:01.920 --> 0:22:07.080
<v Speaker 3>an amazing surprise and such an honor. So yeah, absolutely,

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<v Speaker 3>I take that with so much pride, and I am

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<v Speaker 3>so grateful that I get to be that like beacon

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<v Speaker 3>of representation to so many people across so many different spectrums.

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<v Speaker 1>It's sexuality, it's ethnicity, it's a race, it's all of it.

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<v Speaker 1>And I love that you told the writers it was

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<v Speaker 1>really important for you to truly show you know where

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<v Speaker 1>you're from in this character, and that's something that you,

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<v Speaker 1>I know, didn't always get the chance to do growing up,

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<v Speaker 1>and you don't always feel like you fit in a

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<v Speaker 1>box in terms of representation, and you know.

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<v Speaker 2>You can pass.

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<v Speaker 1>I think you've said you can pass for different things,

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<v Speaker 1>but you want to make sure people know, like, this

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<v Speaker 1>is my background, and I imagine that for you also

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<v Speaker 1>makes playing Q so important because you're allowing your heritage,

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<v Speaker 1>your background, to truly be seen.

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<v Speaker 3>Absolutely. I mean my entire career, I've played characters that

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<v Speaker 3>I can't couldn't relate to on a personal level because

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<v Speaker 3>of where their background, who they are in terms of

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<v Speaker 3>their background, Like I know I look a certain way,

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<v Speaker 3>but that doesn't mean that I can bring the authenticity

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<v Speaker 3>required for someone who speaks Spanish or comes from a

0:23:17.240 --> 0:23:20.000
<v Speaker 3>Puerto Rican background. And I've played so many of those

0:23:20.080 --> 0:23:23.639
<v Speaker 3>characters before, and I got to a point where I

0:23:23.800 --> 0:23:26.920
<v Speaker 3>was like, at some point, I'm taking this opportunity away

0:23:26.960 --> 0:23:30.600
<v Speaker 3>from someone else who could bring forward that authenticity that

0:23:30.840 --> 0:23:34.280
<v Speaker 3>I just couldn't. Like, yeah, I can speak Spanish. I

0:23:34.359 --> 0:23:37.720
<v Speaker 3>took Spanish for years in school, but I didn't grow

0:23:37.800 --> 0:23:41.440
<v Speaker 3>up speaking it like in my home. I didn't grow

0:23:41.560 --> 0:23:44.680
<v Speaker 3>up eating the foods that these characters are talking about

0:23:45.560 --> 0:23:49.760
<v Speaker 3>in their shows. So when I finally felt like I

0:23:49.800 --> 0:23:52.360
<v Speaker 3>reached a point in my career where I did have

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<v Speaker 3>some sort of say in that, And when I got

0:23:57.000 --> 0:24:02.800
<v Speaker 3>the audition for Q, it was like Middle Eastern ambiguous

0:24:03.240 --> 0:24:07.840
<v Speaker 3>or like North African, And so when I got closer

0:24:07.880 --> 0:24:11.959
<v Speaker 3>to actually like getting the job, I was like, I

0:24:12.000 --> 0:24:15.240
<v Speaker 3>would really love it if we could do this instead,

0:24:15.480 --> 0:24:19.040
<v Speaker 3>because I could play this, but it wouldn't feel real

0:24:19.200 --> 0:24:22.520
<v Speaker 3>to me, and whoever's watching this, if they look me up,

0:24:22.560 --> 0:24:25.120
<v Speaker 3>they'll see, oh, he's not actually this that or the other,

0:24:25.920 --> 0:24:28.080
<v Speaker 3>and it would just feel an authentic And our show

0:24:28.160 --> 0:24:32.720
<v Speaker 3>is so diverse and it has so many areas of representation,

0:24:33.200 --> 0:24:35.359
<v Speaker 3>it would feel weird to have like one of the

0:24:35.400 --> 0:24:40.960
<v Speaker 3>main characters not represent that. And luckily Jenny and Sasha

0:24:41.000 --> 0:24:44.000
<v Speaker 3>were super down. They were so down to do it,

0:24:44.080 --> 0:24:48.240
<v Speaker 3>and I was able to like bring in little bits

0:24:48.240 --> 0:24:52.119
<v Speaker 3>and pieces of that throughout both seasons, and like certain lines,

0:24:52.160 --> 0:24:53.920
<v Speaker 3>I'd drop hints that I, oh, you know, I'm from

0:24:53.920 --> 0:24:58.000
<v Speaker 3>the Philippines or my mom's Filipino and my Lola made

0:24:58.080 --> 0:25:00.520
<v Speaker 3>this and da da da da da so and I

0:25:00.520 --> 0:25:03.800
<v Speaker 3>feel like the fans of the Filipino fans especially were

0:25:03.840 --> 0:25:07.600
<v Speaker 3>super grateful for that. I get so many dms and comments,

0:25:07.640 --> 0:25:10.240
<v Speaker 3>are like, when you mentioned this, I felt so much pride,

0:25:10.880 --> 0:25:14.080
<v Speaker 3>and that's so important to me and I never had

0:25:14.160 --> 0:25:18.640
<v Speaker 3>experienced that before. So yeah, I think, you know, going forward,

0:25:19.080 --> 0:25:22.560
<v Speaker 3>if I were to hopefully continue to do my job,

0:25:23.280 --> 0:25:26.240
<v Speaker 3>would love to continue that conversation with the creatives and

0:25:27.400 --> 0:25:31.320
<v Speaker 3>hopefully continue doing the same thing in terms of representation.

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<v Speaker 1>Anthony, it's so wild to me that you've grown up

0:25:41.680 --> 0:25:45.840
<v Speaker 1>in this business because you seemingly are so grounded and

0:25:46.280 --> 0:25:49.480
<v Speaker 1>you know, live your life from a place of gratitude

0:25:49.640 --> 0:25:54.800
<v Speaker 1>and haven't gone to a place where sometimes people who

0:25:54.840 --> 0:25:57.439
<v Speaker 1>think artists who grow up in the business can potentially

0:25:57.480 --> 0:25:57.840
<v Speaker 1>go to.

0:25:58.440 --> 0:25:58.879
<v Speaker 2>And I don't know.

0:25:58.880 --> 0:26:01.159
<v Speaker 1>I think about me sometimes in that respect, and I'm like,

0:26:01.160 --> 0:26:05.000
<v Speaker 1>if I grew up in front of a public facing forum, Laurie,

0:26:05.040 --> 0:26:06.680
<v Speaker 1>it would be I was I would be a hot mess,

0:26:06.720 --> 0:26:09.040
<v Speaker 1>Like I don't know how I would do it. So

0:26:09.200 --> 0:26:11.359
<v Speaker 1>has that been a weird experience for you? And how

0:26:11.440 --> 0:26:14.040
<v Speaker 1>do you stay so kind of level headed? Because it

0:26:14.080 --> 0:26:17.080
<v Speaker 1>really is seemingly who you are to me, at least

0:26:17.119 --> 0:26:17.919
<v Speaker 1>from just meeting you.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, thank you for that. I have been in therapy

0:26:21.840 --> 0:26:25.639
<v Speaker 3>for quite a while, which has helped because there's a

0:26:25.640 --> 0:26:29.119
<v Speaker 3>lot of like fakeness in this industry and like faking

0:26:29.119 --> 0:26:30.719
<v Speaker 3>it till you make it kind of thing. And like

0:26:30.760 --> 0:26:33.439
<v Speaker 3>I said, the imposter syndrome is a huge thing that

0:26:33.480 --> 0:26:36.800
<v Speaker 3>I continue to deal with. But honestly, my parents have

0:26:36.880 --> 0:26:40.359
<v Speaker 3>helped me so much in terms of staying grounded, Like

0:26:40.440 --> 0:26:45.320
<v Speaker 3>they keep me humble. They don't fluff up any of this.

0:26:45.480 --> 0:26:48.760
<v Speaker 3>They're just like, oh, okay, so when's your next job?

0:26:49.000 --> 0:26:51.359
<v Speaker 3>Like when are you getting your next job? Though, like

0:26:51.440 --> 0:26:54.000
<v Speaker 3>it's it's not special to them anymore, which helps me

0:26:54.200 --> 0:26:58.160
<v Speaker 3>a lot. Kind of keeping that groundedness in a way,

0:26:58.240 --> 0:27:02.159
<v Speaker 3>and also just remembering where I came from, like it

0:27:02.240 --> 0:27:05.480
<v Speaker 3>was a struggle to get here. You know, my mom

0:27:05.800 --> 0:27:08.560
<v Speaker 3>quit her job she was climbing the corporate ladder and

0:27:09.440 --> 0:27:13.639
<v Speaker 3>put her career aspirations on hold so that I could

0:27:13.960 --> 0:27:16.760
<v Speaker 3>follow my dreams. And my dad took up a second

0:27:16.840 --> 0:27:19.240
<v Speaker 3>job and he was mopping floors at one point to

0:27:19.800 --> 0:27:22.879
<v Speaker 3>keep the lights on so that I can continue to

0:27:22.920 --> 0:27:25.560
<v Speaker 3>do what I'm doing. And none of that is lost

0:27:25.600 --> 0:27:30.200
<v Speaker 3>on me. I remember when I'd done this independent film

0:27:30.280 --> 0:27:34.360
<v Speaker 3>when I was nine or ten years old, and it

0:27:34.440 --> 0:27:39.440
<v Speaker 3>had premiered at Tribeca Film Festival and we couldn't afford

0:27:39.840 --> 0:27:42.920
<v Speaker 3>to go and everyone in our family pitched in for

0:27:43.840 --> 0:27:48.439
<v Speaker 3>airfare and hotels and we all went and saw my movie,

0:27:48.960 --> 0:27:52.240
<v Speaker 3>and that I remember to this day that like every

0:27:52.400 --> 0:27:55.760
<v Speaker 3>person in my family has helped me get to where

0:27:55.800 --> 0:27:59.479
<v Speaker 3>I am. This isn't just because I'm super talented and

0:27:59.640 --> 0:28:04.280
<v Speaker 3>need like and very like deserving of being here. Everybody

0:28:04.400 --> 0:28:07.400
<v Speaker 3>has put in work and sacrifices so that I could

0:28:07.480 --> 0:28:11.840
<v Speaker 3>do this. So it's that concept reminder that like, I'm

0:28:11.840 --> 0:28:13.600
<v Speaker 3>not doing this just for me, I'm doing this for

0:28:14.440 --> 0:28:18.480
<v Speaker 3>every person in my family who's had a little piece

0:28:18.520 --> 0:28:23.080
<v Speaker 3>of the puzzle in terms of my journey. So yeah,

0:28:23.480 --> 0:28:25.840
<v Speaker 3>I don't know, and like seeing my parents who are

0:28:25.920 --> 0:28:29.480
<v Speaker 3>still working today and my brother who's going to college,

0:28:29.720 --> 0:28:33.960
<v Speaker 3>like everything else in my life is very very normal,

0:28:34.840 --> 0:28:38.680
<v Speaker 3>So doing what I'm doing, it's a constant reminder that

0:28:38.760 --> 0:28:42.280
<v Speaker 3>this is like once in a lifetime opportunity and that

0:28:42.360 --> 0:28:45.440
<v Speaker 3>I'm getting to follow my dream right now, and this

0:28:45.560 --> 0:28:47.600
<v Speaker 3>isn't normal for most people.

0:28:48.000 --> 0:28:50.480
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, well that's probably what makes it so much more

0:28:50.520 --> 0:28:53.280
<v Speaker 1>rewarding for you, And you truly do come from a

0:28:53.320 --> 0:28:55.800
<v Speaker 1>place of feeling grateful for everything that's come your way,

0:28:56.160 --> 0:28:57.800
<v Speaker 1>and it's hard, as you said, you know, like I

0:28:57.840 --> 0:28:59.920
<v Speaker 1>think therapy is such an amazing thing, and there's some

0:29:00.120 --> 0:29:03.280
<v Speaker 1>much noise in the business, and there's a lot that

0:29:03.320 --> 0:29:05.360
<v Speaker 1>you kind of have to try to tune out of

0:29:05.560 --> 0:29:07.800
<v Speaker 1>for your own protection of your mental health. And I

0:29:07.840 --> 0:29:10.959
<v Speaker 1>know you've very, very publicly spoken about the importance of

0:29:11.000 --> 0:29:13.800
<v Speaker 1>being good to your mental health and taking care of yourself.

0:29:14.240 --> 0:29:16.480
<v Speaker 1>Was that an easy choice for you to make, because

0:29:17.160 --> 0:29:18.760
<v Speaker 1>I feel like even ten years ago, a lot of

0:29:18.800 --> 0:29:20.680
<v Speaker 1>artists would choose not to talk about that.

0:29:22.840 --> 0:29:27.280
<v Speaker 3>Yes and no. I both of my parents are immigrants,

0:29:27.280 --> 0:29:30.360
<v Speaker 3>so like the idea of therapy was a little weird

0:29:30.400 --> 0:29:31.920
<v Speaker 3>for them, and they were like, you don't need therapy,

0:29:31.960 --> 0:29:33.880
<v Speaker 3>You're fine. What's wrong with you? Like you got food

0:29:33.880 --> 0:29:35.560
<v Speaker 3>in your belly and a roof over your head, like

0:29:35.600 --> 0:29:40.280
<v Speaker 3>everything's fine, So like kind of breaking that mold a

0:29:40.280 --> 0:29:44.040
<v Speaker 3>little bit. I went into therapy when I was nineteen,

0:29:44.720 --> 0:29:49.000
<v Speaker 3>and it was because I didn't like my own thoughts,

0:29:49.120 --> 0:29:51.880
<v Speaker 3>Like I didn't like being alone with my own thoughts.

0:29:51.920 --> 0:29:55.840
<v Speaker 3>I was the type of person that I had constant distractions.

0:29:55.840 --> 0:29:57.720
<v Speaker 3>I was always hanging out with people, I was always

0:29:57.760 --> 0:30:01.400
<v Speaker 3>making plans so I didn't have to think about anything.

0:30:02.240 --> 0:30:07.239
<v Speaker 3>And it was right before COVID and right after I

0:30:07.280 --> 0:30:09.840
<v Speaker 3>had done like my third pilot that didn't go to series,

0:30:10.680 --> 0:30:13.600
<v Speaker 3>and I was just at a really low point and

0:30:13.320 --> 0:30:17.280
<v Speaker 3>I didn't I didn't want to be like that anymore.

0:30:17.280 --> 0:30:20.760
<v Speaker 3>I didn't want to feel like that, and I went

0:30:20.760 --> 0:30:23.600
<v Speaker 3>and saw a psychiatrist. I literally like took my insurance

0:30:23.640 --> 0:30:27.200
<v Speaker 3>card and on the backside it was like mental and

0:30:27.280 --> 0:30:30.240
<v Speaker 3>behavioral therapy called this number, and I called the number

0:30:30.240 --> 0:30:31.480
<v Speaker 3>and I was like, I don't know what I need

0:30:31.560 --> 0:30:33.080
<v Speaker 3>right now, but I don't want to feel like this.

0:30:33.280 --> 0:30:36.000
<v Speaker 3>And I found a psychiatrist and I found a therapist

0:30:36.800 --> 0:30:42.160
<v Speaker 3>and it was so life changing. I put my guard down.

0:30:42.600 --> 0:30:45.840
<v Speaker 3>I left that stigma that therapy is for the week behind,

0:30:45.960 --> 0:30:51.800
<v Speaker 3>because that's how I was raised. And I finally like

0:30:52.600 --> 0:30:56.520
<v Speaker 3>left everything out on the table and allowed myself to

0:30:56.640 --> 0:31:01.320
<v Speaker 3>like heal and growing up doing what I'm doing. Like

0:31:01.360 --> 0:31:04.000
<v Speaker 3>there's a lot of damage done. There's so much Like

0:31:04.720 --> 0:31:08.080
<v Speaker 3>I've had casting directors tell me when I was younger

0:31:09.080 --> 0:31:11.719
<v Speaker 3>that I was like chubby and that I wasn't going

0:31:11.760 --> 0:31:14.720
<v Speaker 3>to get the role because I looked fifteen pounds heavier

0:31:14.760 --> 0:31:19.320
<v Speaker 3>than my headshot was and say the most awful things

0:31:19.360 --> 0:31:22.160
<v Speaker 3>you could say to a kid. I had a makeup

0:31:22.240 --> 0:31:24.640
<v Speaker 3>artist tell me that I was growing a unibrow and

0:31:24.680 --> 0:31:26.600
<v Speaker 3>she was annoyed that she had to pluck it. Like,

0:31:27.320 --> 0:31:30.720
<v Speaker 3>I'm thirteen, Like I'm going through changes in puberty. You're

0:31:30.800 --> 0:31:35.480
<v Speaker 3>putting these thoughts in my head. So going through and

0:31:35.520 --> 0:31:39.360
<v Speaker 3>breaking all that down and understanding where I am right

0:31:39.400 --> 0:31:42.560
<v Speaker 3>now and like why I got there was super important

0:31:42.560 --> 0:31:47.000
<v Speaker 3>to me so that I could continue to live normally.

0:31:47.440 --> 0:31:52.800
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, change of that, Yeah, I know, And thank you

0:31:52.880 --> 0:31:53.760
<v Speaker 2>for sharing.

0:31:53.800 --> 0:31:55.840
<v Speaker 1>That's so it's so wild to me that as we

0:31:55.880 --> 0:31:58.160
<v Speaker 1>grow up and we evolve and we are growing into

0:31:58.200 --> 0:32:00.480
<v Speaker 1>who are meant to be, that so many out side

0:32:00.720 --> 0:32:04.760
<v Speaker 1>factors and noises in people's opinions are the most damaging.

0:32:04.800 --> 0:32:06.760
<v Speaker 1>And it's like, well I was fine before you said that,

0:32:06.920 --> 0:32:08.160
<v Speaker 1>but now that you said that.

0:32:08.080 --> 0:32:10.000
<v Speaker 2>You're kind of in my head, right.

0:32:11.520 --> 0:32:12.240
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

0:32:12.360 --> 0:32:14.760
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, So it's such a wild thing. But that's awesome

0:32:14.800 --> 0:32:16.040
<v Speaker 1>that you do talk about it, and I know it

0:32:16.040 --> 0:32:18.360
<v Speaker 1>means a lot to so many people who do follow you,

0:32:18.560 --> 0:32:21.400
<v Speaker 1>and I'm a huge proponent of all of that. So

0:32:22.440 --> 0:32:24.720
<v Speaker 1>really really really happy that people like you who have

0:32:24.760 --> 0:32:28.640
<v Speaker 1>platforms do talk about that. As we wrap up, I mean,

0:32:28.680 --> 0:32:30.360
<v Speaker 1>I could talk to you for four more hours, but

0:32:30.440 --> 0:32:33.080
<v Speaker 1>I won't take up your whole day. The name of

0:32:33.200 --> 0:32:35.920
<v Speaker 1>the show is called I've never said this before, And

0:32:36.040 --> 0:32:38.720
<v Speaker 1>I cover a lot of red carpets and movie premieres

0:32:38.760 --> 0:32:41.160
<v Speaker 1>and junkets, and you're no stranger to them, and you get,

0:32:41.200 --> 0:32:42.960
<v Speaker 1>you know, a minute and a half on a carpet

0:32:43.000 --> 0:32:45.200
<v Speaker 1>or six minutes at a junket, and I just saw

0:32:45.320 --> 0:32:49.760
<v Speaker 1>people longing to speak about other things than just SoundBite

0:32:49.840 --> 0:32:52.320
<v Speaker 1>movie or TV show conversation. It was like something in

0:32:52.320 --> 0:32:53.920
<v Speaker 1>their eyes like, Oh, I feel like if we had

0:32:53.960 --> 0:32:56.320
<v Speaker 1>for a few more minutes, they would reveal something that

0:32:56.360 --> 0:32:58.200
<v Speaker 1>they don't get to always share, give us a little

0:32:58.200 --> 0:32:59.640
<v Speaker 1>more insight into who they are.

0:33:00.240 --> 0:33:02.440
<v Speaker 2>And it's so hard in those settings. So that's how

0:33:02.440 --> 0:33:03.280
<v Speaker 2>this show was born.

0:33:03.880 --> 0:33:07.720
<v Speaker 1>So while you've been so open and completely vulnerable today already,

0:33:07.720 --> 0:33:09.640
<v Speaker 1>I feel like, is there anything else that you can

0:33:09.800 --> 0:33:11.960
<v Speaker 1>think of that you've never said before that you want

0:33:11.960 --> 0:33:12.640
<v Speaker 1>to share today?

0:33:13.680 --> 0:33:15.600
<v Speaker 3>Yeah? I mean, I'm not gonna lie. I was like,

0:33:15.680 --> 0:33:18.000
<v Speaker 3>oh God, what am I going to say? Like there's

0:33:18.000 --> 0:33:22.000
<v Speaker 3>so many ways I could go about this, But actually

0:33:22.120 --> 0:33:25.040
<v Speaker 3>I realized this last night in the shower. I was like, wait,

0:33:25.200 --> 0:33:29.320
<v Speaker 3>I had never actually talked about this before, and it's

0:33:29.320 --> 0:33:33.680
<v Speaker 3>the fact that I actually passed on the audition for

0:33:33.800 --> 0:33:37.280
<v Speaker 3>Exo Kitty, and I was not wanting to do the

0:33:37.320 --> 0:33:42.080
<v Speaker 3>show at first, Like I wasn't familiar with the films.

0:33:42.160 --> 0:33:44.680
<v Speaker 3>I mean I was, but I hadn't watched them before

0:33:44.920 --> 0:33:47.560
<v Speaker 3>and I didn't want to. I was already on a

0:33:47.720 --> 0:33:52.680
<v Speaker 3>YA Show spinoff series of a YA movie. I was like,

0:33:52.720 --> 0:33:56.080
<v Speaker 3>this feels like a lateral move for me, and I

0:33:56.240 --> 0:33:59.360
<v Speaker 3>just wasn't. I didn't want to do it, and so

0:33:59.400 --> 0:34:02.479
<v Speaker 3>I had passed on the audition because the casting director

0:34:02.480 --> 0:34:05.840
<v Speaker 3>actually reached out to my team to have me tape.

0:34:06.840 --> 0:34:09.480
<v Speaker 3>I was like, I don't know, like this doesn't feel

0:34:09.480 --> 0:34:12.800
<v Speaker 3>like the right move for me, and I passed and

0:34:13.239 --> 0:34:15.600
<v Speaker 3>they came back and they're like, we really really want

0:34:15.640 --> 0:34:18.440
<v Speaker 3>Anthony to tape. And I was like, okay, all right,

0:34:18.680 --> 0:34:22.399
<v Speaker 3>I'll tape. I'll I'm sure someone else will catch their

0:34:22.440 --> 0:34:24.960
<v Speaker 3>eye and I'll just be one of a thousand tapes.

0:34:25.640 --> 0:34:27.840
<v Speaker 3>So I taped again and or a taped for the

0:34:27.880 --> 0:34:29.960
<v Speaker 3>first time, and they came back and they were like,

0:34:31.040 --> 0:34:34.000
<v Speaker 3>oh my god, that was a great tape. We're gonna

0:34:34.040 --> 0:34:36.799
<v Speaker 3>pin Anthony. And I was like, what you mean, You're

0:34:36.800 --> 0:34:39.080
<v Speaker 3>gonna pend me? And then they were like, can he

0:34:39.200 --> 0:34:42.359
<v Speaker 3>send another tape with an accent because they didn't know

0:34:42.400 --> 0:34:46.160
<v Speaker 3>where they wanted the character to go, and I was like,

0:34:46.440 --> 0:34:49.279
<v Speaker 3>I don't. I don't want to. I don't want to

0:34:49.320 --> 0:34:52.200
<v Speaker 3>be locked on a show playing a character with an accent,

0:34:52.320 --> 0:34:54.480
<v Speaker 3>like I feel like it could come off as like

0:34:54.960 --> 0:34:58.440
<v Speaker 3>a caricature of a middle Easter in person, and that

0:34:58.480 --> 0:35:01.680
<v Speaker 3>doesn't feel right to me. And so they said, well,

0:35:01.719 --> 0:35:03.720
<v Speaker 3>if you don't send another tape, we're going to release

0:35:03.760 --> 0:35:07.479
<v Speaker 3>your pin and I was like, okay, I'll send a tape.

0:35:07.520 --> 0:35:10.560
<v Speaker 3>And I sent a tape with the worst accent possible

0:35:10.760 --> 0:35:12.480
<v Speaker 3>because I was like, you're going to hate this, like

0:35:12.520 --> 0:35:13.759
<v Speaker 3>I know you're going to hate it, and I made

0:35:13.800 --> 0:35:15.680
<v Speaker 3>it like the worst and they came back and they're like,

0:35:15.719 --> 0:35:17.680
<v Speaker 3>you're right, don't we don't want an accent. I was

0:35:17.719 --> 0:35:21.800
<v Speaker 3>like okay, and then I was still like on the fence.

0:35:22.000 --> 0:35:23.719
<v Speaker 3>I was like, I don't know if I want to

0:35:23.800 --> 0:35:27.600
<v Speaker 3>be like typecast as the gay best friend. I don't

0:35:27.640 --> 0:35:32.000
<v Speaker 3>think I want to be in Korea. Like I had

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<v Speaker 3>so many like mental blockages that I was just not

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<v Speaker 3>open to the idea, which is so wild to me.

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<v Speaker 3>Now I'm like, I want to go back and like

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<v Speaker 3>shake my twenty year old self and be like, what

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<v Speaker 3>the hell were you thinking? But that's also like a

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<v Speaker 3>testament to I do believe that what you were meant

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<v Speaker 3>to do is already written for you, like you you know,

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<v Speaker 3>fate is a real thing, Like, yes, you can alter

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<v Speaker 3>some things, but your path is your path. And this

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<v Speaker 3>was very It became very adamant to me that this,

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<v Speaker 3>no matter what I tried, like this was going to

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<v Speaker 3>be part of my journey, and I'm so grateful for it.

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<v Speaker 3>Like looking back now, I'm like, I am so glad

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<v Speaker 3>I sent those tapes and I ended up doing this

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<v Speaker 3>show because I have some of the best friends in

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<v Speaker 3>my life who are going to be at my wedding

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<v Speaker 3>one day probably and be a part of my life forever.

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<v Speaker 3>And I have these like I never went to college,

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<v Speaker 3>so like this was like my semesters abroad in a way,

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<v Speaker 3>I discovered so much about myself and not only as

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<v Speaker 3>a person but as an artist. So I am very,

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<v Speaker 3>very grateful for the opportunity to get this job. But

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<v Speaker 3>it's just wild to me that I at one point

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<v Speaker 3>was not wanting to do it and was super closed

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<v Speaker 3>off to the idea and that I actually fully passed

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<v Speaker 3>on the show and was like, this isn't for me.

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<v Speaker 3>I want to slap myself right now.

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<v Speaker 1>It's so hard to imagine you not in that role

0:36:59.640 --> 0:37:03.040
<v Speaker 1>I've been for everybody. I mean, it's it's just you

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<v Speaker 1>make it seem so seamless.

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<v Speaker 3>It's wild to me that, like if I was like

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<v Speaker 3>put my foot down and was like, no, I'm not

0:37:08.840 --> 0:37:10.960
<v Speaker 3>doing this show, that someone else would be playing this

0:37:11.080 --> 0:37:14.479
<v Speaker 3>character and it just it doesn't feel right. And I'm

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<v Speaker 3>so so glad that I listened to my team. Everyone

0:37:17.160 --> 0:37:19.400
<v Speaker 3>was telling me like, what do you This is a

0:37:19.480 --> 0:37:22.840
<v Speaker 3>huge piece of IP, Like this is a really big show.

0:37:23.080 --> 0:37:25.520
<v Speaker 3>It's a Netflix, for God's sake. So I was like, oh,

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<v Speaker 3>if I want to do it, I don't want to

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<v Speaker 3>be in Korea. That seems really far. And it was

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<v Speaker 3>really it was the imposter syndrome. I didn't believe that

0:37:34.360 --> 0:37:37.960
<v Speaker 3>I deserved a job like that. I think I think

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<v Speaker 3>I was scared to like put myself in those shoes

0:37:41.239 --> 0:37:44.360
<v Speaker 3>and be like one of the leads of a show

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<v Speaker 3>in Korea that's groundbreaking in so many ways. I was

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<v Speaker 3>so close off to the idea and I'm like, I

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<v Speaker 3>can't I cannot believe that. I I'm so sorry, Jenny Hawn, like,

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<v Speaker 3>I'm sorry I put you all through that, like they

0:37:59.000 --> 0:38:01.480
<v Speaker 3>and they kept saying like we want you, this is

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<v Speaker 3>this job is for you, Like people at the studio

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<v Speaker 3>are like, there's no one else and I was, I

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<v Speaker 3>was so close off to the idea and it's just

0:38:10.120 --> 0:38:13.239
<v Speaker 3>insane to me. But I'm so glad that everything worked out.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm really really glad that I took the chance and

0:38:15.520 --> 0:38:18.839
<v Speaker 3>that they took the chance on me, because I can't

0:38:18.840 --> 0:38:20.680
<v Speaker 3>imagine my life without this show now.

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<v Speaker 1>I think that story is the perfect example of sometimes

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<v Speaker 1>the things in life that you were the most afraid

0:38:26.360 --> 0:38:30.239
<v Speaker 1>of reap the biggest rewards. So the lesson here is

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<v Speaker 1>if it's scarce the shit out of you for everybody listening,

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<v Speaker 1>just do it, just do it, because look what can happen. Yeah, Oh, Anthony,

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<v Speaker 1>that's a great story. What a great way to end

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<v Speaker 1>this episode. I'm so happy we could connect and that

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<v Speaker 1>you could come on. I, like I said, I could

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<v Speaker 1>talk to you for four more hours. I think you're

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<v Speaker 1>just an awesome artist and an awesome human and we

0:38:50.719 --> 0:38:52.520
<v Speaker 1>look forward to just following your career.

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<v Speaker 3>Thank you, Tommy. This has been a really refreshing take

0:38:57.200 --> 0:39:00.520
<v Speaker 3>on an interview, like I had the best start and

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<v Speaker 3>I really appreciate you sitting down with me.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, thank you so much.

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<v Speaker 1>Don't keep us waiting too long for season three now, Okay, hey, we're.

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<v Speaker 3>We're gearing up, so don't you worry. We're gonna start soon.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't think I can talk about specific dates, but soon.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, we'd love to hear it. And when you're

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<v Speaker 2>in New York, let me know.

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<v Speaker 3>Sounds good.

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<v Speaker 2>Thanks for me, all right, be well you too.

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<v Speaker 1>I've Never Said This Before is hosted by Me Tommy Dedario.

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