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Speaker 1: Taylor told me to push the phone number because we

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Speaker 1: haven't taken a call in months.

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Speaker 2: Eight seven seven ninety nine on Fox?

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Speaker 4: What is Alan Albuquerque doing with himself?

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Speaker 1: Eight seven seven ninety nine On Fox? This is me

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Speaker 1: pushing the phone number eight seven seven ninety nine.

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Speaker 2: On Fox.

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Speaker 1: Mikey A on the Zoom tailor in the VIP room

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Speaker 1: along with Bordoup Ricardo.

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Speaker 2: He has to be so confused sometimes bored up. Ricardo?

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Speaker 2: Is he in studio with me? Just about everything? All

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Speaker 2: of it? Yes? Right? We have Seth Davis is going

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Speaker 2: to join us at three point thirty.

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Speaker 1: We have Juju Smith's I's going to join us at

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Speaker 1: four point thirty. We have no more undefeated teams left

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Speaker 1: in Major League Baseball. We will get to the sound

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Speaker 1: of Mike Francessa here in just a second. We have

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Speaker 1: some Tiger Woods news to get to as well. But Izzy,

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Speaker 1: I kept asking, I kept asking our executive producer, our

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Speaker 1: fearless leader, Taylor, what do you want to talk about today?

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Speaker 1: And the response I kept getting from Taylor was I

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Speaker 1: had a take on social media that went viral.

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Speaker 4: I feel like that.

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Speaker 5: Word is getting used a little loosely these days. What

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Speaker 5: does it mean to go viral? Your take to go viral?

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Speaker 6: Taylor?

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Speaker 7: So, right now it has two hundred and twenty six

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Speaker 2: And is he?

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Speaker 7: It was because I was tweeting about the Tommy Lloyd

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Speaker 7: to Carolina. Potentially that market has been impacted by CALCI.

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Speaker 7: People are saying it's Billy Donovan, but it's people at

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Speaker 7: work for Calshi and they're most likely just gonna dump

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Speaker 7: that and try to make a quick profit off that.

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Speaker 7: So I tweeted because I'm clicking on some people's profile

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Speaker 7: and it's like Carolina basketball Alabama football, And I tweeted,

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Speaker 7: if your favorite college football team is different from your

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Speaker 7: favorite college basketball team, nobody respects you.

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Speaker 6: Oh man, what a.

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Speaker 2: Take is it?

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Speaker 4: I mean, it's incredible.

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Speaker 5: Yes, I've never really thought about this, Like, I guess

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Speaker 5: it wasn't until I got to college that I had

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Speaker 5: an official favorite college basketball team, because when I was

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Speaker 5: I think I was a North Carolina fan first and

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Speaker 5: But then when I got to Florida, it was just

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Speaker 5: all Florida, and it was obviously Florida football too, right,

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Speaker 5: But you can't have one and then the other, especially

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Speaker 5: if you went to one of the schools and then have.

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Speaker 4: A favorite program or favorite sport from another. Progress.

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Speaker 1: So you grew up down here in Miami root for

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Speaker 1: the Hurricanes as your football team growing.

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Speaker 4: Up, I did, and you ruled football team and you

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Speaker 2: In terms of basketball, it was Carolina and Duke.

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Speaker 5: A little caveat or little detail in there? Sure under

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Speaker 1: No, there should be caveats and there should be details

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Speaker 5: Was the best team in college football, and they didn't

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Speaker 4: So if they would have, probably would have paired them.

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Speaker 1: So you go to Florida, Is there any part of

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Speaker 5: The second I walked on that campus, all favoritism I

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Speaker 7: Okay, much like Izzy, I grew up both a USC

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Speaker 8: Then I turned ten.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, you gotta make a choice at some point.

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Speaker 5: You know, that's probably about the time, because yeah, I

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Speaker 5: But I definitely had a split with basketball. But I

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Speaker 4: I would just mention the football team.

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Speaker 2: So help me.

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Speaker 1: At least you weren't front running rooting for those two teams,

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Speaker 4: So once you get what kid is going to go

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Speaker 1: Well, me and Mikey, there you go. And that's about it,

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Speaker 1: And all Jet fans. But help me out here. So

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Speaker 5: Donnis Hasley, for example, famously went to the University of

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Speaker 4: No, I don't.

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Speaker 5: I don't hate that because, frankly, I mean he went

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Speaker 5: don't blame people. I mean, your home is your home.

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Speaker 5: If that, uh you know, stays true or to who

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Speaker 4: Cheering for me.

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Speaker 2: I see the wheels turning there, Mike, Yay, what are

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Speaker 9: Because I don't know that I have that. I think

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Speaker 9: I'm a fan of a different college basketball team than

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Speaker 9: I am a different nobody respects all team.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but so here's the difference.

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Speaker 4: I want that he respects me anyway.

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Speaker 1: I went to Clark University. It's a D three school

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Speaker 1: like there's no reason to root for either of their teams.

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Speaker 1: And so you guys are saying, when I'm at Clark University,

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Speaker 4: No, Taylor has to rule here.

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Speaker 8: Well, correct, that is correct?

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Speaker 2: What do you mean that is correct? That almost went

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Speaker 7: So nobody is blaming you for going to Clark University.

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Speaker 7: If you want to go to Clark University and get

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Speaker 7: The problem is in the fall, you can't turn around

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Speaker 8: You're a Duke football fan.

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Speaker 7: Why though, we get ready to learn many daz football buddy.

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Speaker 5: I think I think it's true you can't claim another team,

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Speaker 4: But if I'm just watching a game, who am I

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Speaker 10: You?

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Speaker 4: I can pull for North Carolina, but they're not quote

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Speaker 3: Is that fair?

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Speaker 6: Taylor?

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Speaker 8: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: I don't know fair. I mean this is why I

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Speaker 9: What if my fandom was born out of hatred for arrival?

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Speaker 9: What if I just hate Ohio State football, and I

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Speaker 7: You could hate those schools. I just don't think you're

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Speaker 1: What Taylor is saying is there's no limit limit to

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Speaker 1: your hatred, correct, But there is a limit to the

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Speaker 2: That's all you say.

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Speaker 9: But if I naturally hate Duke, then I naturally root

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Speaker 8: Anybody root for Carolina. You're not a Carolina.

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Speaker 1: Fan though, well, I mean, unless you're rooting for Carolina

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Speaker 1: I'm confused here because I grew up in an area

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Speaker 5: So you don't claim a college football program and a

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Speaker 4: It just is what it is.

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Speaker 2: You won't do either. That doesn't seem fair.

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Speaker 1: I mean, it's not that we're keeping you from doing it,

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Speaker 4: Not, so you remain respected.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, the conundrum that I'm running into right now is

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Speaker 7: the people that are saying, what if I root for

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Speaker 4: Yes, stick to the pros.

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Speaker 2: It's called a loophole. Yes, stick to the pros.

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Speaker 5: You don't have to have a college football team just,

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Speaker 9: Is this better or worse than those who are a

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Speaker 9: into this a lot. There are people who are Giants

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Speaker 9: Boston fans. You can't be those two things. They naturally

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Speaker 2: But that's split in half.

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Speaker 4: Right.

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Speaker 1: If you're in southern Connecticut, chances are you're rooting for

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Speaker 1: the Knicks. Northern Connecticut, you're rooting for Boston, right.

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Speaker 9: That's like saying all Long Islanders are either Mets or

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Speaker 6: It doesn't really fit.

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Speaker 5: I think it depends on how you are raised as

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Speaker 5: a prof you were properly raised to not be a hater,

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Speaker 5: then you should be the fan of where you grew up. Like,

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Speaker 5: if you were properly raised not to be a hate

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Speaker 5: because that's what a lot of these young kids these days,

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Speaker 5: m he grew up around um Um was wildly successful

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Speaker 2: Odd team to hate. Man, that's a team you should

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Speaker 2: have gotten behind. I mean, you had tell it pro sports.

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Speaker 5: Just because that has holy and the title does not

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Speaker 1: You went to Wisconsin, you love Ohio State, I am told,

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Speaker 8: But we don't have that here.

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Speaker 2: I mean, Dan's got some stones.

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Speaker 1: I would have showed up to those games wearing Wisconsin

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Speaker 5: You have to stay strong in these situations, like as

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Speaker 1: You stuck with Ohio State. I mean that's that's a

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Speaker 2: Yeah, turned down, thank you. Yeah, it did work on

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Speaker 12: Yeah, But nobody remembers. Nobody remembers like Liberty Bowls against

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Speaker 12: Yeah, who doesn't, right right BYU is always in it

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Speaker 1: Is he much like the seventy two dolphins who pop

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Speaker 1: how many teams were undefeated in Major League Baseball?

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Speaker 7: There were five teams undefeated in the MLB, The Dodgers,

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Speaker 7: They all went into yesterday undefeated. They all lost.

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Speaker 1: Yesterday, all right, So let's let's all drink some champagne here.

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Speaker 11: Nick in New Jersey. What's up?

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Speaker 13: I think Mike, I was just wondering with the Yankees

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Speaker 11: Write the table one hundred and sixty two and zero.

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Speaker 13: Yeah, like, a team being that dominant, Do you think

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Speaker 8: You're not?

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Speaker 11: Seriously, no, Like we've have you seen anybody come close

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Speaker 13: And oh well, didn't the Yankees that one year and twenty.

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Speaker 11: Okay, wait wait, wait, wait, the Yankees didn't win one

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Speaker 13: But still the only fifty games away.

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Speaker 13: But they had one hundred and ten wins.

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Speaker 13: Well, obviously football has less games. They could have one

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Speaker 11: They bought the football has won less games. Really, yeah,

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Speaker 11: Right, and the others have one hundred and So you

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Speaker 13: Oh if they were that dominant?

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Speaker 13: Maybe that Murderers Row Yankee team.

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Speaker 11: Okay, now, what do you think now that team played

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Speaker 13: Probably forty?

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Speaker 11: Right, So how would you get from forty to zero?

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Speaker 4: How do you know?

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Speaker 2: John?

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Speaker 11: Hi, Mike, what's happening?

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Speaker 13: What mental is silent?

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Speaker 11: I have no idea? I have I have no idea.

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Speaker 5: Well, Taylor, this doesn't really I mean the college still

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Speaker 2: Yes, very close. Anyone's ever come?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I think we should celebrate. When they get to

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Speaker 1: Okay, the sneaky best part of that call is the

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Speaker 4: I didn't even notice that.

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Speaker 7: That shows how long ago it was because Matt Harvey

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Speaker 1: Final Four coming up this weekend. This man is college basketball.

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Speaker 1: I'm a big fan of his work. He is Seth Davis. Seth,

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Speaker 1: thank you for joining us. We appreciate it. Taylor has

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Speaker 1: a take, our executive producer, a college sports related take

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Speaker 1: that has gone viral today and I want to get

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I wish we didn't do this for Seth David

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Speaker 4: Yeah, but Seth, my.

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Speaker 7: Take was, if your favorite college football team is different

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Speaker 6: I think that that is a very kind thing to say.

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Speaker 10: I think calling people out for their hypocrisy is an

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Speaker 6: I'm right with you, right with you.

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Speaker 2: How anyway, Seth, how do we view Dan Hurley here?

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Speaker 1: If he goes on to win a national championship, his

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Speaker 10: So yeah, there's that's one way to that's one way

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Speaker 6: I mean, there's so many phonies in this world.

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Speaker 10: Like we always say we want people to be honest,

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Speaker 10: you're not following this ridiculousness of him putting his forehead

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Speaker 10: on the referee.

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Speaker 6: Roger Ayres chatted about it.

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Speaker 10: I'm sure you have with great kindness and I'm sure

454
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Speaker 10: it doesn't require kindness, it just requires facts.

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Speaker 6: The facts are the rule says that you are not.

456
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Speaker 10: Allowed to contact have contact with an official in a

457
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Speaker 10: way that is meant to intimidate or that is disrespectful.

458
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Speaker 10: Those are rules that are in the books. He did

459
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Speaker 10: that right when Braylan Mullins hit the shot at a

460
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Speaker 10: crazy moment, trying to the ref what is wrong with people?

461
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Speaker 6: It's not like it's just like what is wrong with people?

462
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Speaker 2: Yes, this is something we've never seen, so it was

463
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Speaker 2: just fun to talk about it. I mean, dissess point.

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Speaker 2: There are different types of head butts.

465
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Speaker 1: There's a friendly headbutt and there's a head butt that's

466
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Speaker 1: intending to hurt you.

467
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Speaker 10: Is he is he like context matters? Is he trying

468
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Speaker 10: to intimidate the rep? Is there anybody on the zoom

469
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Speaker 10: that that wants to argue that in that moment he's

470
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Speaker 10: trying to intimidate the official?

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Speaker 6: But that's what happened.

472
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Speaker 10: No, No, at worst, it was what was anybody could

473
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Speaker 10: speak up?

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Speaker 6: What was Dan Hurley's motivation at that moment?

475
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Speaker 2: Not to get a technical that's for sure, I can

476
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Speaker 2: tell you that much. His motivation?

477
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Speaker 6: Why did he do it? He wanted to do it.

478
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Speaker 1: He was celebrating with a guy that was closest to him,

479
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Speaker 1: but he excited.

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Speaker 5: Said that actually looked to me like he has a

481
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Speaker 5: decent relationship with that referee, so he knows he can

482
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Speaker 5: do that.

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Speaker 4: In that moment, thank you, Yeah is thank you.

484
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Speaker 10: And then you know, like I said, you know, this

485
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Speaker 10: to me looked like to buddy like Roger Air, like

486
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Speaker 10: that's what good officials do.

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Speaker 6: You know.

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Speaker 10: There was a game probably about a month ago, maybe

489
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Speaker 10: three weeks ago, I'll say a month ago, and Houston

490
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Speaker 10: was playing the game, and there was a really bad

491
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Speaker 10: call that went against Houston and there was a ref

492
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Speaker 10: who was standing right in front of Kelvin Sampson, and

493
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Speaker 10: Kelvin was losing his mind and really giving it to

494
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Speaker 10: the ref and the ref stood there and let him

495
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Speaker 10: do it, and then he moved on like that's what

496
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Speaker 10: officiating is supposed to be. Anyway, I didn't mean to

497
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Speaker 10: get on. I don't mean to hijack the show. I'm

498
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Speaker 10: your guest, Please ask your question.

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Speaker 1: But I think the friendly headbot may have cost the

500
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Speaker 1: referee a spot in the Final four.

501
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Speaker 6: Because bullshits, that's not true. It's not true.

502
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Speaker 10: He did exactly what he was supposed to do in

503
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Speaker 10: that situation.

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Speaker 1: Yes, but he's really Yes, but he's not refereeing in

505
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Speaker 1: the Final four.

506
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Speaker 4: I mean he's not.

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Speaker 10: Oh so we must be a terrible ref because only

508
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Speaker 10: only terrible refs don't refen the Final four. Like there's

509
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Speaker 10: there's nine refs who are going to be working this weekend?

510
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Speaker 6: Nine?

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Speaker 4: Okay?

512
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Speaker 6: Yeah.

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Speaker 10: By the way, if he's such a terrible ref, why

514
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Speaker 10: is he working in the Elite eight and the marquee

515
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Speaker 10: game of the Elite eight? Why did he ref You

516
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Speaker 10: probably did both do Carolina games. I know he's primarily

517
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Speaker 10: in agency. Roger Aires is refereed a lot of Final fours.

518
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Speaker 10: If you think that's the reason why he's not refering

519
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Speaker 10: the Final four, I can't help you.

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Speaker 6: And I say that with all do kindness, Seth.

521
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Speaker 7: What do you make of the Carolina head coaching search

522
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Speaker 7: where it seems like they've gotten to the point their

523
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Speaker 7: contempt waiting for Dusty May Tommy Lloyd and just going

524
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Speaker 7: to let that kind of play out and see if

525
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Speaker 7: either of those coaches tell them no.

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Speaker 6: Well, part of.

527
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Speaker 10: What's going on is they moved back the opening day

528
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Speaker 10: of the transfer portal last year and previously it started

529
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Speaker 10: the Monday of Sweet sixteen week, so if you were

530
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Speaker 10: coaching in the Sweet sixteen, you had to be in

531
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Speaker 10: the transfer portal, recruiting out of the transfer portal. And

532
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Speaker 10: so also if you were looking for a coach, you

533
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Speaker 10: know you're taking a risk by not having a coach

534
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Speaker 10: during the first two weeks of the transfer portal. So

535
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Speaker 10: the fact that it doesn't start open until April seventh,

536
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Speaker 10: and by the way, you know what else happens in

537
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Speaker 10: early April is the NBA season ends. And so now

538
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Speaker 10: you can have that conversation with Billy Donovan, who, from

539
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Speaker 10: his public comments, has not closed the door. I've seen

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Speaker 10: some reporting that Brad Stevens has privately closed the door.

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Speaker 6: I'll still believe that when I see it.

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Speaker 10: Now, the Celtics are in second place in the East

543
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Speaker 10: and the Bulls aren't going to the playoffs, and there's

544
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Speaker 10: chatt of that maybe Billy Donovan leaves anyway.

545
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Speaker 6: So look, as.

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Speaker 10: North Carolina you want to, you got to have that conversation.

547
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Speaker 10: The problem becomes the math on these buyouts. I think

548
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Speaker 10: Tommy Lloyd's buyout at Arizona is like eleven million dollars,

549
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Speaker 10: So you've got to pay Hubert Davis five million dollars

550
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Speaker 10: to buy him out. Now you've got to pay Tommy

551
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Speaker 10: Lloyd's buy out eleven million dollars.

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Speaker 6: That's before you've paid him a penny and salary.

553
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Speaker 10: And you know, he's got to be pretty much, if

554
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Speaker 10: not the highest paid coach in the sport close to it.

555
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Speaker 10: And then, by the way, you've got to come up

556
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Speaker 10: with you know, probably eight figures for your roster.

557
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Speaker 6: So that's a lot of money.

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Speaker 10: I think that's much more of an issue than anything

559
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Speaker 10: else for them moving forward. That's that's probably why they

560
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Speaker 10: probably end up, you know, aside from Billy Donovan. Obviously

561
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Speaker 10: there's no buyout of that situation, right, you probably end

562
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Speaker 10: up with. If I had to give you a name,

563
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Speaker 10: I would say Mark Byington from Vanderbilt, who's a really

564
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Speaker 10: good coach.

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Speaker 6: I think he do a really good job.

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Speaker 10: But if you're a Carolina fan, like, does that like

567
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Speaker 10: light your world on fire? Probably should, but it probably doesn't.

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Speaker 5: Seth Going into this tournament, a lot of people were

569
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Speaker 5: looking at some of the bigger named players, the Darren Peterson's,

570
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Speaker 5: the cam Boozers, Ag Debonta see how they would perform,

571
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Speaker 5: but of the teams that are remaining, is there a

572
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Speaker 5: player that has shown the best for him in these

573
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Speaker 5: first four games? Because I love every time I watched

574
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Speaker 5: Lindenberg play for Michigan. I'm like, that guy looks like

575
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Speaker 5: he is everything the NBA wants everything.

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Speaker 6: That's exactly where was going to go, isro Is.

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Speaker 10: It is an interesting story too, because he was a

578
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Speaker 10: late bloomer and kind of not a whole lot of

579
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Speaker 10: direction when he was younger. How about this, he played

580
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Speaker 10: eleven varsity games in high school. Think about that for

581
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Speaker 10: a second. Eleven varsity games in high school. He's ounced around,

582
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Speaker 10: went to a ton of different schools, then had this

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Speaker 10: great season at UAB and now he's probably making two

584
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Speaker 10: million a year nil money from Michigan. It's the best

585
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Speaker 10: player in the final four, probably gonna end up being

586
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Speaker 10: if I had to guess your most outstanding player, because

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Speaker 10: I think Michigan's gonna win the thing.

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Speaker 6: Wow.

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Speaker 10: And if they do, that means he's been great and

590
00:25:35,240 --> 00:25:36,680
Speaker 10: he'll be a lottery pick in the NBA.

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Speaker 6: So ain't that America?

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Speaker 10: I mean, good on him, Great on Dusty for the

593
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Speaker 10: way that he's made You know, I like a name drop.

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Speaker 10: You see behind me the hoopsahe Q. We talked to

595
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Speaker 10: Andy Katz and I interviewed Dusty May this morning for

596
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Speaker 10: a hoopsahe Q show. Nice and I asked Dusty about,

597
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Speaker 10: as someone like me, I've studying leadership and team building

598
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Speaker 10: and team ethos and all of that, it's such a

599
00:26:01,080 --> 00:26:03,640
Speaker 10: fascinating time, like why did this roster work?

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Speaker 6: And that one didn't? You know?

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Speaker 10: And there's there's almost not always a great answer, and

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Speaker 10: I Dusty's now two for two. It's two years in

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Speaker 10: a row. He's basically had to turn over his entire

604
00:26:13,080 --> 00:26:16,840
Speaker 10: roster most of it. Yeah, and it's really really worked.

605
00:26:17,359 --> 00:26:19,640
Speaker 10: And so I asked him that question and he talked

606
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Speaker 10: about like how everybody shares the ball and getting everybody involved,

607
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Speaker 10: and he said, you know, we could call more plays

608
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Speaker 10: for yoxall and probably score more from yoxall, but we

609
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Speaker 10: intentionally design our offense so everybody's involved and everybody scores

610
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Speaker 10: and everybody touches the ball. So it really is like

611
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Speaker 10: in every second, everyday decision as far as making that go.

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Speaker 6: But the most.

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Speaker 10: Important piece is that you're a great player has to

614
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Speaker 10: buy into that, and you can just tell the body line.

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Speaker 10: I don't know if you guys have seen like the

616
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Speaker 10: little post game things they do, like Marie Johnson stands

617
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Speaker 10: behind them like the guard at Buckingham Palace is not

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Speaker 10: allowed to smile, right as that, and towels and they

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Speaker 10: just look like they're having a good time.

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Speaker 4: Other really games.

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Speaker 10: Winning, winning by thirty in the eight that had fun,

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Speaker 10: breaking breaking news.

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Speaker 5: I'm glad you said you think Michigan's gonna win it,

624
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Speaker 5: because obviously they play Arizona. Stucatts and I were under

625
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Speaker 5: the impression that Arizona might be the greatest basketball team

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Speaker 5: that's ever played. But that's only because we've only seen

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Speaker 5: them play once, and that within the Sweet.

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Speaker 1: Sixth Fairness us, it was the morning after the Sweet

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Speaker 1: sixteen game, and it's the first time both of us

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Speaker 1: watched in the entire season.

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Speaker 10: You mean you don't live in You're not immersing this

632
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Speaker 10: sport twelve months a year like the nerd that you're talking.

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Speaker 6: Well, you know, so, so what But.

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Speaker 10: Then I assume you watched Michigan against Tennessee.

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Speaker 2: Yes, yes, yes, fair.

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Speaker 10: All to your opinion of the greatest teams in the

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Speaker 10: history of college basketball.

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Speaker 4: Michigan second place.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know, I still second I think those

640
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Speaker 1: two teams played ten times each wins five.

641
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Speaker 2: How about that?

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Speaker 10: Uh yeah, that's that's that's fair. Well here's what I

643
00:27:55,359 --> 00:27:57,959
Speaker 10: would say. And I'm somebody I picked Arizona at the

644
00:27:58,040 --> 00:28:02,920
Speaker 10: start of the tournament. You know, my second Kelvin Sampson reference.

645
00:28:02,960 --> 00:28:05,360
Speaker 10: Forgive me, but he's got this great expression. I caught

646
00:28:05,400 --> 00:28:07,680
Speaker 10: a lot when he's talking about players. He'll say, you

647
00:28:07,760 --> 00:28:10,080
Speaker 10: know that kid, he can get to that top shelf

648
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Speaker 10: in the pantry.

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Speaker 6: You know.

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Speaker 10: And I feel like Michigan can get to a shelf

651
00:28:14,920 --> 00:28:16,800
Speaker 10: in the pantry that the other three can't get to.

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Speaker 10: Like peak, Michigan is super scary. I was in San

653
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Speaker 10: Jose covering the West Regional, so I did see Arizona

654
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Speaker 10: in person twice. I saw them in person at the

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Speaker 10: beginning of the season when they played in Las Vegas,

656
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Speaker 10: and there's a lot to like there. I mean, they're

657
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Speaker 10: just so physically. The thing about Arizona is they physically

658
00:28:39,680 --> 00:28:42,720
Speaker 10: wear teams out. They crush you in the paint and

659
00:28:42,760 --> 00:28:44,880
Speaker 10: they crush you on the offensive glass. They're one of

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Speaker 10: those rare teams who actually shoots a pretty good percentage

661
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Speaker 10: from three.

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Speaker 6: They have good three point shooters on their team.

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Speaker 10: But there's only two teams in the whole country that

664
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Speaker 10: this season shot three pointers at a lower rate than Arizona.

665
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Speaker 10: A lot of times you see the opposite, like you

666
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Speaker 10: see a team that shoots a high volume of threes,

667
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Speaker 10: but maybe not a great percentage. So like Alabama, they're

668
00:29:08,720 --> 00:29:10,920
Speaker 10: gonna shoot their thirty five threes. If they go in,

669
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Speaker 10: they're gonna beat you. They don't go into Arizona wants

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00:29:13,360 --> 00:29:15,880
Speaker 10: to really beat in the paint. I don't think that's

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Speaker 10: gonna work. With Michigan, they're so big up front. They

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Speaker 10: got you know, Ade Mara is seven foot three, Mores

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Speaker 10: Johnson is six foot ten and super strong, and then

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Speaker 10: you got Yoxel at the three, who is a six

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Speaker 10: nine and loves to play defense, loves the challenge up

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Speaker 10: so you figure he matches up with Coopete. It's gonna

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Speaker 10: bet it's gonna be great. How about this final four?

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Speaker 9: Man?

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Speaker 6: I know so good?

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Speaker 10: Yeah, And I know everyone's heartbroken about that.

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Speaker 2: Right, I love it? Well, we Goton, who cares?

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Speaker 4: I mean Illinois my favorite?

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Speaker 10: Yeah, Settle for Yukon, Yeah, and you know, and Illinois.

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Speaker 10: So it's it's a great, great, great great final College

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Speaker 10: basketball is very blessed with these fourteen.

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Speaker 1: It's been a great tournament, It's gonna be a great

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Speaker 1: final four. But Illinois is that team I feel badly for.

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Speaker 1: We're not going to talk about them. We're not going

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Speaker 1: to talk about their coach. We're going to talk about

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Speaker 1: the other three schools. Jay Billis told us last week

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Speaker 1: there's a big difference of being able to make it

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Speaker 1: to the Final four and winning a national championship. So

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Speaker 1: I ask you this, can Illinois win the national championship?

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Speaker 6: Well, they certainly can't.

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Speaker 10: Don't I mean, don't fool yourself, but they'll They're the

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Speaker 10: least likely two of the four.

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Speaker 6: They're playing well though.

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Speaker 10: You know, I mean, part of what happens is, you

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Speaker 10: know what, obviously you have to be good to get

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Speaker 10: to a final four or even a Sweet sixteen or

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Speaker 10: second round in the tournament.

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Speaker 6: Like those teams aren't just good teams.

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Speaker 10: They're playing well, and oftentimes what happens, like with Illinois,

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Speaker 10: like a lot of teams, they went through some ups

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Speaker 10: and downs because of injuries. You know, they had a

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Speaker 10: lot of stuff going on in the preseason, Like Andreas

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Speaker 10: Toyakovic basically didn't have a summer first time he practiced

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Speaker 10: with the team was like right before their first game.

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Speaker 10: Takes him a while to get into it, and then

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Speaker 10: they had some guys shuffle in and out, and then

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Speaker 10: Kyle and Boswell injures his hand and he's out for

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Speaker 10: three weeks. So Keaton Woggler becomes a huge usage guy.

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Speaker 10: He goes he scored over forty one game and he

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Speaker 10: was going nuts. Now Boswall comes back and you got

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Speaker 10: to kind of go through that again. So that's why

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Speaker 10: they kind of lose games and people are like, well,

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Speaker 10: they're not as good based on their season, but there's

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Speaker 10: reasons inside the season.

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Speaker 6: They're healthy.

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Speaker 10: Now I mean they beat I mean they to defend

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Speaker 10: Houston and Matt Houston's defensive toughness the way they did.

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Speaker 6: And then the same thing with Iowa.

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Speaker 4: Now Iowa, you know, they were playing well.

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Speaker 10: Physically physically matched up with Florida, which has the best

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Speaker 10: front court in the country, which was really not what

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Speaker 10: they had done over the season.

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Speaker 6: So they were riding high.

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Speaker 10: So for Illinois to go through Houston and Iowa to

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Speaker 10: get to the final four.

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Speaker 6: I mean, they can win this thing.

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Speaker 10: But would I would I would probably I might put

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Speaker 10: them third ahead of Yukon.

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Speaker 6: I don't know. That's close. That's close. Remember Yukon was

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Speaker 6: down nineteen and Yukon has lost. I mean Yukon. Yukon

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Speaker 6: two weeks ago lost by twenty to Saint John.

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Speaker 2: I know, right, So second time they lost to Saint

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Speaker 2: John's too, right?

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Speaker 6: Yeah?

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Speaker 10: Yeah, I don't know how many how many picks I

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Speaker 10: have to get wrong before people stop asking you what's

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Speaker 10: going to win?

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Speaker 6: I got I got three to I got three to go.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but that's what march is all about, you know that?

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Speaker 1: Go ahead, Taylor. Final question, so.

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Speaker 7: What do you make of the Will Wade situation at

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Speaker 7: NC State in LSU because it feels like a lot

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Speaker 7: of NC State fans are surprised that Will Wade will

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Speaker 7: waited them.

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Speaker 6: That's a phenomenal way to put you could use it.

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Speaker 2: You feel free.

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Speaker 4: It's yours. Yes, So I have not.

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Speaker 10: Fully done the reporting on this. I will be frank

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Speaker 10: and I haven't. I have not talked to.

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Speaker 6: Will about it.

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Speaker 10: Based on the comments from Bu Corrigan, who's I know

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Speaker 10: a long time dad was the longtime commission.

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Speaker 6: Of the SEC.

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Speaker 10: I have a very wide latitude for people who need

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Speaker 10: to do what's in their best interest.

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Speaker 6: Right.

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Speaker 10: Like you know, Ben McCollum was the head coach at

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Speaker 10: Drake for one year and got an opportunity to go

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Speaker 10: to Iowa and did that.

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Speaker 6: Brad Underwood's coach in the final four.

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Speaker 10: He was the head coach in Oklahoma State for one year,

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Speaker 10: left to go to Illinois.

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Speaker 6: So I don't necessarily have a problem with that. That's

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Speaker 6: its business and they got to do its best.

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Speaker 10: From everything that I've heard, Will Wade was so deceptive

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Speaker 10: about the situation, according to Buchorigan, again public comments. He

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Speaker 10: went right to Will and said is first of all,

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Speaker 10: Will Wade was asked about this at a press conference.

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Speaker 10: I don't know if it was after the acc or after.

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Speaker 6: The NCAA tournament when it ended.

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Speaker 10: A reporter said, there's some chatter about LSU and Will

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Speaker 10: Wade stabbed.

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Speaker 6: He said, well, they have a coach there, right, is

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Speaker 6: it open? Okay? So he was very condescending to the reporter.

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Speaker 10: And it was a good question because the athletic director

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Speaker 10: who hired him at McNeese is now at LSU as

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Speaker 10: like a senior associate AD, and there's someone in the

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Speaker 10: administration same thing coming from McNeese. It was a good

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Speaker 10: and the fact that they're about to get rid of

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Speaker 10: McMahon was pretty well known, and so according to Bouchor,

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Speaker 10: again he goes to will.

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Speaker 6: Wade and is there something to this?

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Speaker 10: And will Wade swears to him there's not, and they

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Speaker 10: try to have these conversations and Blue Corrigan found out

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Speaker 10: about it from an email from.

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Speaker 6: Will Waite's agent.

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Speaker 10: If you're not man enough to pick up the telephone

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Speaker 10: and call Bouk Corrigan and say, here's what's going on.

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Speaker 10: Here's what I'm doing. I know, I'm sorry you're disappointed,

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Speaker 10: but here's what I'm doing.

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Speaker 6: Here's why to have that courtesy. It's just bad.

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Speaker 10: But that's you know again, I mean, this is kind

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Speaker 10: of who's been and he embraces the whole villain black

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Speaker 10: hat thing like oh, I invented an il, Like so.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, it's wrong, it's wrong to do it. It's like

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Speaker 6: when Lane Kiffin.

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Speaker 10: To leave a team an old myth that has a

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Speaker 10: chance that you're in the playoff, Like there's certain things.

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Speaker 6: You just don't do. But those guys got to live

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Speaker 6: with it.

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Speaker 1: What can I tell you, Seth Davis, we appreciate the time.

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Speaker 1: It's good, be a great final four. I know it's

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Speaker 1: a busy time for you. Thank you for doing this man.

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Speaker 6: I appreciate you.

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Speaker 2: Guys.

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Speaker 6: Enjoy the games all.

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Speaker 2: Right, Thank you, talk to you soon.

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Speaker 1: Let's go out to Cory, who is in Philadelphia today. Corey,

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Speaker 1: go ahead, You're on Fox Sports Radio.

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Speaker 6: Is Henley.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, we got you, Cary got you.

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Speaker 14: So I'm calling them to make a comment. I'm not

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Speaker 14: sure in the guy's name he was talking about if

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Speaker 14: you don't if you root for different college teams in

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Speaker 14: different sports, he doesn't respect you.

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Speaker 4: No, correct, people don't respect you.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, I personally don't.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. His name is Taylor.

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Speaker 4: By the way, Yes, viral tick well.

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Speaker 14: I think that's a terrible take because let me explain

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Speaker 14: and why I grew up near Philadelphia. I grew up

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Speaker 14: a diehard Villanova fan. So, by his logic, does he

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Speaker 14: expect me to root for an FCS school in football?

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Speaker 8: Yes, you're a one double a football fan Villanova.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, you can't claim the college football team. You can

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Speaker 5: casually watch a team and maybe inside kind of like

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Speaker 5: that team, but you can't claim that team.

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Speaker 2: Well I disagree, Yeah, so do I Actually I'm with you.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, So what happens to Villanova. Let's say you're a

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Speaker 7: Penn State football fan. I'm assuming if Penn State played Villanova,

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Speaker 7: if somehow Villanova got called up to FBS, who would

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Speaker 7: you root for.

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Speaker 14: Well, at that situation, I would start rooting for Nova.

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Speaker 11: But as a current thank.

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Speaker 8: You, thank you you you just proved the point.

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Speaker 2: No you no, no, but that's not the reality.

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Speaker 5: I mean, Corey, I think you're just going to have

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Speaker 5: to live with the fact that a lot of people

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Speaker 5: who are really true sports.

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Speaker 4: Fans are just not going to respect your decision.

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Speaker 2: There.

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Speaker 4: I'm sorry, that's the take. You can have it. You

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Speaker 4: just won't be respected by a good amount of people.

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Speaker 1: Yes, they're a lot polls and I should have said

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Speaker 1: his name is Blee Pole