WEBVTT - Models of Power 0:00:11.840 --> 0:00:14.560 Good morning, peeps, and welcome to WIKA F Daily with 0:00:14.720 --> 0:00:18.640 me your girl Danielle Moody pre recording, well not really, 0:00:19.120 --> 0:00:21.880 but this week, folks, I'm going to tell you I 0:00:22.000 --> 0:00:24.919 have some amazing shows that are lined up for you. 0:00:25.079 --> 0:00:28.120 Today is going to be the last one that is 0:00:28.200 --> 0:00:31.800 not prerecorded, as one of my best friends is getting 0:00:31.800 --> 0:00:34.600 married and I am in her wedding and so I 0:00:34.640 --> 0:00:38.199 will be heading there to be there, as you know, 0:00:38.760 --> 0:00:42.279 have moments of celebrating joy and love and I'm very 0:00:42.320 --> 0:00:45.320 excited about the opportunity to do so. But don't you 0:00:45.400 --> 0:00:50.040 ever fear. As always, we have some incredible shows lined 0:00:50.159 --> 0:00:53.880 up for you for the rest of this week. But 0:00:54.000 --> 0:00:58.360 as always, our good good friend, doctor Jonathan Metzel is 0:00:58.400 --> 0:01:03.400 in conversation with me today discussing, you know, as always, 0:01:03.560 --> 0:01:06.880 democratic messaging as we are now less than two weeks 0:01:07.400 --> 0:01:11.520 to the midterm elections. Now, folks, here's what I want 0:01:11.560 --> 0:01:15.600 to say about this hall to midterms and the anxiety 0:01:15.680 --> 0:01:18.000 that I know that I am feeling. If you follow 0:01:18.080 --> 0:01:20.600 me on Twitter, then you know that earlier this week 0:01:21.280 --> 0:01:22.640 I sent out a tweet and I said, you know, 0:01:22.680 --> 0:01:24.920 I'm not feeling great today. I'm feeling a lot of 0:01:24.959 --> 0:01:28.680 anxiety and I'm feeling a bit hopeless, and those things 0:01:28.720 --> 0:01:32.520 are true. And you know, like everyone else, I go 0:01:32.680 --> 0:01:36.600 through valleys and streams in terms of my emotions and 0:01:36.680 --> 0:01:39.960 reactions to what I'm hearing. And so what did I 0:01:40.040 --> 0:01:43.000 do after I sent out that tweet yesterday? I turned 0:01:43.040 --> 0:01:46.840 off the fucking news because frankly, the way in which 0:01:47.000 --> 0:01:52.560 the midterm elections are being covered is one as if 0:01:52.600 --> 0:01:56.240 it is a completely normal election, right, as if there 0:01:56.280 --> 0:02:00.240 are just the normal things that are at stake. Once again, 0:02:00.480 --> 0:02:04.840 this being the fault of mainstream media to actually do 0:02:04.960 --> 0:02:09.240 its job as the fourth estate, to hold this country 0:02:09.240 --> 0:02:13.720 accountable to itself, to hold our elected officials accountable, and 0:02:13.840 --> 0:02:18.360 also to navigate what is really rough and treacherous terrain 0:02:18.520 --> 0:02:21.480 that we've never had to navigate before in this country. 0:02:21.639 --> 0:02:24.680 And once again, much like they did with the emergence 0:02:24.680 --> 0:02:27.440 of Donald Trump, they are failing. Whether or not they 0:02:27.440 --> 0:02:30.920 are failing on purpose or out of ignorance, I have 0:02:31.040 --> 0:02:34.480 no idea, but either way it's not good. And so 0:02:34.560 --> 0:02:37.440 what I will say is that I know many of 0:02:37.480 --> 0:02:41.480 you who DM me, who tweet at me, are feeling 0:02:41.560 --> 0:02:44.600 the same way, are feeling this level of anxiety and 0:02:44.760 --> 0:02:48.200 stress and are having sleepless nights. And what I am 0:02:48.240 --> 0:02:50.720 going to say to you is that outside of listening 0:02:50.760 --> 0:02:52.560 to my show, which I want you to continue to do, 0:02:53.000 --> 0:02:55.679 I'm telling you to turn off the fucking news, right 0:02:56.200 --> 0:03:00.160 it is not helpful to watch this horse race that 0:03:00.240 --> 0:03:04.480 they are portraying where Steve Cornaki and others bring out 0:03:04.480 --> 0:03:06.440 their big board and let me bring you to this 0:03:06.480 --> 0:03:08.680 place and let me pick up this random white person 0:03:08.720 --> 0:03:10.919 on the street to talk about how aggrieved they are 0:03:10.960 --> 0:03:13.120 and how much they're going to vote for, you know, 0:03:13.160 --> 0:03:16.440 whoever Donald Trump tells them to vote for. It's not 0:03:16.520 --> 0:03:20.040 helpful because what it does is that it reinforces in 0:03:20.160 --> 0:03:23.240 us that know, regardless of how much work we put in, 0:03:23.480 --> 0:03:25.800 how much we donate, whether or not we show up, 0:03:25.800 --> 0:03:27.480 that at the end of the day, it doesn't matter 0:03:27.680 --> 0:03:30.800 that the numbers are tightening in and with those tightening numbers, 0:03:30.800 --> 0:03:34.040 our chests they're tightening. What matters, folks, is that you vote, 0:03:34.320 --> 0:03:36.880 plain and simple. What matters is that you get as 0:03:36.880 --> 0:03:40.560 many people to vote and vote for Democrats down the 0:03:40.600 --> 0:03:44.680 fucking ticket as much as possible. Anything else outside of 0:03:44.720 --> 0:03:48.640 those actions is nothing but noise and won't do anything 0:03:48.720 --> 0:03:52.560 to assuage your worries or your fears, or your anxiety. 0:03:53.000 --> 0:03:56.920 And so I say to you, outside of getting to 0:03:57.000 --> 0:04:01.800 the polls yourself and getting as many of your friends, 0:04:01.840 --> 0:04:05.600 your colleagues, your family members to the polls as possible, 0:04:05.760 --> 0:04:12.040 volunteering at the polls, offering rides, offering help. Outside of 0:04:12.280 --> 0:04:16.479 activating in that in real life way, turn off the 0:04:16.520 --> 0:04:19.920 news because it is going to do nothing other than 0:04:20.000 --> 0:04:23.680 drive you fucking crazy. And I would even offer that 0:04:23.760 --> 0:04:27.680 on election day, plan your election day again, if you 0:04:27.720 --> 0:04:31.000 have not, if you have early voted, then plan your 0:04:31.000 --> 0:04:34.440 election day doing something good and nourishing for yourself. If 0:04:34.480 --> 0:04:38.560 you work for a corporation or a nonprofit or an 0:04:38.560 --> 0:04:41.599 outlet that is giving you that day off, go to 0:04:41.640 --> 0:04:46.120 the polls and volunteer, right. And if you're not going 0:04:46.200 --> 0:04:51.800 to volunteer, then go out in nature, feel your day 0:04:52.120 --> 0:04:56.760 centered around joy. And do not turn on the television. 0:04:57.600 --> 0:05:02.480 Do not go into the twe because outside of the 0:05:02.640 --> 0:05:05.720 in real life things that I have just said, that Ken, 0:05:05.960 --> 0:05:10.080 you can do sitting down in front of the television 0:05:10.680 --> 0:05:17.479 and watching every conversation, bite sized, you know, punditry on 0:05:17.600 --> 0:05:19.880 what is going to happen, and all of this tea, 0:05:20.440 --> 0:05:23.360 leave reading and all of this nonsense is not going 0:05:23.440 --> 0:05:27.280 to serve you. And I will tell you that, you know, 0:05:27.920 --> 0:05:32.320 in the past, before Trump BT, which is how I 0:05:32.360 --> 0:05:34.960 think that we're going to be, you know, guiding our 0:05:35.040 --> 0:05:39.920 calendar around America moving forward, is that before Trump, I 0:05:40.000 --> 0:05:43.800 loved election Day. It was exciting, it was fun. I'm 0:05:43.800 --> 0:05:46.159 a person that grew up in politics, That's what my 0:05:46.240 --> 0:05:49.440 degree is in. I used to go to watch parties 0:05:49.520 --> 0:05:51.840 and you know, it was a time to drink and 0:05:51.960 --> 0:05:55.480 commiserate and you know, and have a good time and 0:05:55.760 --> 0:05:58.920 you know, feel like you were actively, you know, participating 0:05:59.080 --> 0:06:03.240 in your democracy. That's no longer the case. It actually 0:06:03.279 --> 0:06:09.600 feels like, you know, going into dental surgery without any anesthesia. 0:06:09.800 --> 0:06:13.680 So that sounds awful. And I think that for folks 0:06:13.800 --> 0:06:20.120 who are going to vote on election day, go in vote, 0:06:20.960 --> 0:06:24.160 share your eye voted sticker with your friends and your 0:06:24.200 --> 0:06:27.320 family and your colleagues on social media. Encourage them all 0:06:27.360 --> 0:06:29.520 to go and do the same. To drop what it 0:06:29.600 --> 0:06:32.560 is that they're doing, you know, drop a link that 0:06:32.680 --> 0:06:35.279 says like if you're living in this state, an area, 0:06:35.400 --> 0:06:37.839 or here's where you find out where your polling stations 0:06:37.880 --> 0:06:40.560 have been. Because as we have seen, as what was 0:06:40.680 --> 0:06:44.680 just aired out in Virginia that sixty thousand voters were 0:06:44.720 --> 0:06:47.440 sent to the wrong place. I don't think that that 0:06:47.520 --> 0:06:50.560 was an accident, and neither should you. So outside of 0:06:50.680 --> 0:06:57.760 doing these very real tactical things, watch a movie, Watch 0:06:57.839 --> 0:07:02.680 ten movies, right, It is most likely then, unless this 0:07:02.920 --> 0:07:06.000 is a blowout on either side, we will not know 0:07:06.080 --> 0:07:09.320 the results until later on in the week. So again, 0:07:09.600 --> 0:07:13.240 sitting on your couch, glued to the screen, glued to 0:07:13.280 --> 0:07:17.640 your phone, glued to your laptop is not going to 0:07:17.680 --> 0:07:20.080 serve you. It's not going to serve your nervous system 0:07:21.080 --> 0:07:23.040 in any way, shape or form. And why do I 0:07:23.080 --> 0:07:26.960 bring up your nervous system, because, folks, we have talked 0:07:27.000 --> 0:07:32.480 about wellness on this show, the ways in which I 0:07:32.600 --> 0:07:38.120 have developed rituals and practices that are keeping me sane 0:07:38.280 --> 0:07:43.560 and steady and grounded. And I encourage you all to 0:07:43.680 --> 0:07:47.680 lean in to those rituals and practices that you have 0:07:47.840 --> 0:07:54.200 developed over the last couple of years, to really dig 0:07:54.240 --> 0:07:59.800 into them, because what happens when our nervous system is 0:08:00.120 --> 0:08:06.160 overworked and overwhelmed is that we allow disease to come 0:08:06.240 --> 0:08:11.960 into our bodies, which causes our cortisol levels to rise, 0:08:13.040 --> 0:08:18.240 which in turn allows disease to enter into our bodies. 0:08:19.560 --> 0:08:23.720 So the more at ease that we can make ourselves 0:08:23.840 --> 0:08:28.880 by virtue of prayer if you're a religious person, meditation 0:08:29.120 --> 0:08:33.679 if you are a spiritual person, walks in nature, if 0:08:34.480 --> 0:08:37.640 washing yourself in nature and just sitting and taking deep 0:08:37.720 --> 0:08:45.840 breaths helps you. Workouts, yoga as a form of workout, walking, running, gardening, 0:08:46.600 --> 0:08:49.720 you know, being with your animals, petting them. All of 0:08:49.720 --> 0:08:56.000 those calming activities, wellness activities are what we need to 0:08:56.240 --> 0:09:00.360 double and triple down on as we prepare our selves 0:09:00.440 --> 0:09:03.520 for election day, but also as we prepare ourselves for 0:09:03.559 --> 0:09:07.520 the aftermath of election day. Folks, I'm not going to 0:09:07.640 --> 0:09:10.040 lie to you. I never lie to you on woke 0:09:10.240 --> 0:09:18.440 f and tell you that everything is going to be okay, 0:09:18.640 --> 0:09:21.960 all is going to be well. I think that we 0:09:22.160 --> 0:09:28.120 can learn on an individual way to keep ourselves well, 0:09:29.679 --> 0:09:35.240 but as a larger collective, as a nation, as a democracy. 0:09:38.120 --> 0:09:44.480 My magic eight ball says outlook unclear. So the way 0:09:44.520 --> 0:09:52.880 in which we can treat ourselves and teach ourselves to 0:09:53.080 --> 0:09:59.440 rest to center joy. And again, this is not me 0:09:59.600 --> 0:10:04.000 saying ignore. It is saying that we need to take 0:10:04.120 --> 0:10:11.000 in the news like doses of medicine. Right, you don't 0:10:11.160 --> 0:10:14.040 when the doctor hands you antibiotics, you don't take the 0:10:14.080 --> 0:10:17.240 whole bottle at one time. You take a pill over 0:10:17.280 --> 0:10:20.640 the course of how many days. Well, I'm telling you, 0:10:20.640 --> 0:10:24.319 you know, maybe you watch ten minutes and then you 0:10:24.440 --> 0:10:29.480 turn it off, right, Maybe you check in on Twitter 0:10:29.760 --> 0:10:33.839 four five minutes and then you're like, Okay, I'm good. 0:10:35.600 --> 0:10:42.080 We have got to have these balancing tactics to help 0:10:42.360 --> 0:10:48.160 us be able to deal and manage and manage well 0:10:49.720 --> 0:10:53.400 with what is coming our way and what we have 0:10:53.640 --> 0:10:59.600 been dealing with and consuming over the last three years seven. Really, 0:10:59.720 --> 0:11:03.160 when you think about, you know, the beginning of Trumpism, 0:11:04.360 --> 0:11:09.360 and it has only been for me really truly, during 0:11:10.480 --> 0:11:15.280 the beginning of COVID have I developed practices that I 0:11:15.400 --> 0:11:19.760 have been doubling and tripling down on that helped me maintain. 0:11:19.840 --> 0:11:22.240 So I'm going to offer something new to you all. 0:11:23.200 --> 0:11:29.400 I have been having trouble sleeping, and you know it's 0:11:29.520 --> 0:11:32.000 my days have gotten a lot busier in terms of 0:11:32.040 --> 0:11:35.560 the work that I do with these shows, both WOKA 0:11:35.800 --> 0:11:38.880 and Democracy Ish, with my writing that I do with 0:11:38.920 --> 0:11:42.400 The Daily Beast, with you know, other work that I 0:11:42.480 --> 0:11:47.199 do to help movement organizations hone their voice and increase 0:11:47.280 --> 0:11:53.240 their impact. So I had sent a note to a 0:11:53.280 --> 0:11:57.360 friend of mine who owns and is one of the 0:11:57.400 --> 0:12:01.160 co owners of an online apothecary called Old Strobe st 0:12:01.640 --> 0:12:04.840 r o B and the O has a line over 0:12:04.920 --> 0:12:10.440 it Strobe Apothecary. And I said, Hey, my schedule has 0:12:10.480 --> 0:12:14.880 ticked up. I'm gonna be traveling more, I am working more, 0:12:15.000 --> 0:12:18.880 and I'm really trying to stay in balance, and I 0:12:18.920 --> 0:12:25.360 feel myself slipping back into old patterns of behavior that 0:12:25.720 --> 0:12:31.280 serve no one. And she said, Okay, I got you. 0:12:31.440 --> 0:12:34.240 I'm gonna put together a box and I'm gonna send 0:12:34.240 --> 0:12:38.640 it your way. Inside of this box, my dear friends, 0:12:39.000 --> 0:12:42.560 and I will pull this up for people who watch 0:12:42.760 --> 0:12:50.920 the video on Patreon. This is Strobe Apothecary's how their teas, 0:12:51.080 --> 0:12:55.920 their loose teas come. And she sent me a wonderful 0:12:56.200 --> 0:13:00.320 Rubio's Vanilla Chi tea. She sent me another one that 0:13:00.360 --> 0:13:03.360 I can't get right now, a heartwarming shy tea that 0:13:03.400 --> 0:13:08.000 it was all about healing broken hearts and pain. And 0:13:08.040 --> 0:13:11.600 she sent me another one that is about easing our 0:13:11.760 --> 0:13:15.439 overworked minds. They put together these beautiful tea blends, and 0:13:15.920 --> 0:13:18.760 I am a coffee you know now, a coffee drinker. 0:13:18.760 --> 0:13:21.760 I used to be a real big tea drinker. And 0:13:21.880 --> 0:13:24.760 what I've started to do is what I've learned is 0:13:24.800 --> 0:13:28.120 that my French press can also work as a tea press. 0:13:28.240 --> 0:13:31.880 Who knew everybody knew, I'm making this joke. Everybody knew 0:13:31.920 --> 0:13:37.040 but me, And so now in my evenings, instead of 0:13:37.760 --> 0:13:42.360 going for my cocktail or going for you know, little 0:13:42.600 --> 0:13:47.600 a little smoke, not of cigarettes, but instead of reaching 0:13:47.640 --> 0:13:51.360 for these external things, which there I have no problem 0:13:51.360 --> 0:13:53.800 with any of them. I love a good cocktail and 0:13:53.960 --> 0:13:56.640 all of those things. But I'm trying to figure out 0:13:56.720 --> 0:14:01.000 how to get myself at ease on my own. So 0:14:01.080 --> 0:14:06.880 I'm closing out my day with tea and going through 0:14:06.920 --> 0:14:12.480 this ritual before bed of turning off the electronics, you know, 0:14:12.600 --> 0:14:15.720 either picking up a magazine or a book, but turning 0:14:15.760 --> 0:14:20.280 off the electronics earlier than I normally would because I'm 0:14:20.320 --> 0:14:23.640 working at such a high pace during the day that 0:14:23.680 --> 0:14:28.480 it takes me now longer to wind down. And again, 0:14:28.800 --> 0:14:33.960 these are about being in tune, in tune and aligned 0:14:34.440 --> 0:14:38.520 with our bodies and recognizing that we are not fucking 0:14:38.520 --> 0:14:42.720 machines that we are not meant to grind, we're not 0:14:42.800 --> 0:14:47.320 meant to ignore and quote unquote power through right. And 0:14:47.400 --> 0:14:51.280 so I am listening to my body as it is 0:14:52.000 --> 0:14:56.800 really stressed and recognizing that I need more time to 0:14:56.920 --> 0:15:00.760 wind down and more time to wind up. So I'm 0:15:00.800 --> 0:15:05.200 giving myself that time. I you know, read the directions, 0:15:05.240 --> 0:15:08.120 I put in the tea, I you know, put on 0:15:08.160 --> 0:15:13.920 my kettle, and then I sit right and I poured 0:15:14.000 --> 0:15:17.560 the tea I drink, you know, which is so soothing 0:15:17.600 --> 0:15:20.200 and nice and calming, and then I head in to 0:15:20.320 --> 0:15:25.920 do my normal routine of meditations, storytelling, and trying to 0:15:25.960 --> 0:15:29.720 ease myself into sleep. I'm also recognizing that when I 0:15:29.760 --> 0:15:34.640 am stressed, that I require a good amount of sleep, 0:15:35.320 --> 0:15:39.400 like eight to nine hours. Thankfully, friends, I don't have 0:15:39.400 --> 0:15:42.440 any fucking kids, so I don't have to deal with 0:15:42.560 --> 0:15:46.240 having to manage a bunch of other little people. But 0:15:46.400 --> 0:15:50.200 even if you do, I want us all to learn 0:15:50.280 --> 0:15:53.520 to be more in tuned with what we need and 0:15:53.560 --> 0:15:57.160 then figure out the ways in which we give ourselves 0:15:57.440 --> 0:16:00.360 what it is that we need, because we all to 0:16:00.440 --> 0:16:05.800 be operating in the fullness of ourselves in order to 0:16:06.280 --> 0:16:12.480 navigate the new world that we are living in and 0:16:12.520 --> 0:16:15.520 so that is very real. And I offer that because 0:16:15.680 --> 0:16:17.640 you know, on top of what was also in my 0:16:18.000 --> 0:16:22.120 basket of goodies was sage and Palosanto and you know, 0:16:22.160 --> 0:16:25.560 and crystals that are for clarity and for guidance that 0:16:25.640 --> 0:16:28.360 I can carry with me as I'm now moving around 0:16:29.080 --> 0:16:32.560 more to help level me out. And whether or not 0:16:32.680 --> 0:16:36.040 you believe in these things or figure out your own thing, 0:16:36.160 --> 0:16:39.880 I offer what I am using as what I call 0:16:40.240 --> 0:16:44.920 rituals to help me with my routines that are keeping 0:16:44.960 --> 0:16:47.960 me grounded and level in a way that I know 0:16:48.080 --> 0:16:51.360 many of us are swirling right now up in our heads. 0:16:52.800 --> 0:16:55.880 So that is it for what I am using and doing. 0:16:55.920 --> 0:16:59.040 And again, folks, if you have different routines and rituals, 0:16:59.360 --> 0:17:02.360 share them in the comments section, share them with one another, 0:17:02.840 --> 0:17:05.080 share them with me, because I think that the more 0:17:05.119 --> 0:17:07.800 that we can come together as a community that is 0:17:07.840 --> 0:17:10.919 not only about raging against the machine but is also 0:17:11.000 --> 0:17:14.359 about rest and wellness, the better off we will all 0:17:14.440 --> 0:17:18.520 be all right, dear friends. 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As always, 0:18:58.240 --> 0:19:02.840 I am so happy to welcome our friend back this 0:19:03.000 --> 0:19:05.720 week with a one on one, and that with a 0:19:05.720 --> 0:19:12.360 classroom filled with two hundred students, our friend, doctor Jonathan Maxil. Jonathan, 0:19:12.560 --> 0:19:17.240 it was such a pleasure to join your class last week, 0:19:17.320 --> 0:19:19.840 and you know, we didn't have an opportunity to do 0:19:20.600 --> 0:19:23.120 a debrief and so I'm and I got such good 0:19:23.160 --> 0:19:26.480 feedback from the woke a f audience that they appreciated 0:19:27.640 --> 0:19:31.479 the conversation and the role reversal that we did. So 0:19:31.520 --> 0:19:33.719 I wanted to give you a chance to fill us 0:19:33.760 --> 0:19:37.440 in on what some of your students have said. Well, 0:19:37.680 --> 0:19:40.280 the Royal Reverse apart Man. Being the host is hard. 0:19:40.440 --> 0:19:42.040 It's hard work. You have to like think on your 0:19:42.040 --> 0:19:45.119 feet and stuff. So I'm glad to be back in 0:19:45.160 --> 0:19:49.720 this chair today. But but no, the students loved it. 0:19:49.800 --> 0:19:54.800 They of course really appreciated your clarity and directness. We're 0:19:54.800 --> 0:19:57.560 spending a whole semester looking at pandemic, which of course 0:19:57.640 --> 0:20:02.320 is changing and it's impact on politics. And so I 0:20:02.359 --> 0:20:06.399 got a million comments that were fantastic. Many were about 0:20:06.480 --> 0:20:09.440 the content, and many were about what does it mean 0:20:09.440 --> 0:20:12.040 to be in the career of the media right now? 0:20:12.040 --> 0:20:16.159 How is the pandemic changing the media? And so I 0:20:16.200 --> 0:20:18.000 just think we should do that again. It was really fun. 0:20:19.080 --> 0:20:21.440 It was I mean, it was it was awesome. It 0:20:21.480 --> 0:20:24.280 is very rare that I am interviewed on my own show, 0:20:24.680 --> 0:20:29.320 so so UM, I definitely appreciated it. And I thought 0:20:29.359 --> 0:20:32.560 that their questions, you know, a lot of their questions, um, 0:20:33.000 --> 0:20:35.399 you know, about how to move forward in this time, 0:20:35.520 --> 0:20:39.480 and we were really great UM. And the fact that 0:20:39.520 --> 0:20:41.760 you get to be in touch on a regular basis 0:20:41.800 --> 0:20:45.160 with young people who are living through a time that 0:20:45.480 --> 0:20:50.040 you know, frankly none of us could possibly imagine. I 0:20:50.080 --> 0:20:52.520 think is really important to always be in touch with 0:20:52.560 --> 0:20:56.240 how they are thinking and how they are navigating this 0:20:55.400 --> 0:21:01.280 um this time. So that being said, I want to 0:21:01.400 --> 0:21:03.960 I want to talk about the New York Times is 0:21:04.200 --> 0:21:09.480 um article that they have done this week, UM, which 0:21:09.760 --> 0:21:16.040 is entitled their America is Vanishing like Trump. They insist 0:21:17.240 --> 0:21:23.040 that essentially they Um, you know they were lied to, right, Um. 0:21:23.119 --> 0:21:28.320 And I gotta tell you, Jonathan, I have not gotten 0:21:28.320 --> 0:21:33.520 through the entirety of this of this article because it 0:21:33.560 --> 0:21:38.439 pissed me off, frankly, and I just brought it up 0:21:38.480 --> 0:21:42.000 in another interview, and you know, people were just like, 0:21:42.040 --> 0:21:45.200 I'm so frigging tired of the New York Times, I'm 0:21:45.280 --> 0:21:50.040 so tired of these deep dives into white grievance. Um. 0:21:50.119 --> 0:21:54.960 So I I what are your thoughts about this continued 0:21:55.680 --> 0:22:00.320 narrative and how helpful or unhelpful it is in the 0:22:00.359 --> 0:22:06.160 grand scheme of how one democrats assess this, you know environment, 0:22:06.240 --> 0:22:09.320 as we are two weeks away from the most consequential 0:22:09.359 --> 0:22:12.280 and probably our last free and fair election in this country, 0:22:12.720 --> 0:22:16.879 and also just this changing idea. So what do you 0:22:16.960 --> 0:22:21.679 make of this consistent narrative? Well, I mean, the thing is, 0:22:21.720 --> 0:22:24.440 like I understand, right, I understand the framework that liberal 0:22:24.480 --> 0:22:27.720 America puts around conservative America because like I wrote a book, 0:22:28.200 --> 0:22:30.840 they did the exact same thing. Right, Dying of Whiteness 0:22:30.960 --> 0:22:34.560 was about the fear of being the demographic minority, the 0:22:34.600 --> 0:22:40.760 fear of kind of status threat, losing privilege, all these 0:22:40.840 --> 0:22:44.720 kind of things we're driving, right, America to make irrational decisions. 0:22:45.200 --> 0:22:49.199 But I would say what that didn't look at was 0:22:49.240 --> 0:22:52.600 how it's not like, oh, this is such a brilliant 0:22:52.600 --> 0:22:54.879 liberal critique that the right never thought about. The right 0:22:54.960 --> 0:22:58.000 was actually using the same method to mobilize people, to 0:22:58.040 --> 0:22:59.480 scare the shit out of them, to get them to 0:22:59.560 --> 0:23:04.560 vote and become more extreme and radicalized and adopt more 0:23:04.600 --> 0:23:09.600 extreme positions. And so the point is, like, the right 0:23:09.680 --> 0:23:17.480 has found this never ending well of resentment that will 0:23:17.520 --> 0:23:20.040 get people to the polls. I mean, that's the main thing, 0:23:20.080 --> 0:23:22.919 and it'll get them to accept positions that we're fifteen 0:23:23.000 --> 0:23:27.720 years ago insane. And the left hasn't done that, right, 0:23:27.960 --> 0:23:31.040 The less hasn't done that. And so I certainly agree 0:23:31.040 --> 0:23:32.639 with the article. And there was another one that I 0:23:33.040 --> 0:23:34.760 helped with in the Washington Post a couple of days 0:23:34.760 --> 0:23:38.360 ago about white America dying from COVID, which is certainly true. 0:23:38.359 --> 0:23:42.919 White America is dying from COVID much more. But the 0:23:43.000 --> 0:23:46.440 point is it's a model of power, right, And so 0:23:47.160 --> 0:23:50.240 the counter to that, in addition to critiquing the right, 0:23:50.480 --> 0:23:53.040 is like, what's the left doing now to mobilize in 0:23:53.080 --> 0:23:56.720 the face of a really existential threat across the country. 0:23:56.760 --> 0:23:59.080 It's not just in right America anymore. You know, the 0:23:59.119 --> 0:24:02.639 New York governor's race is really close, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania is 0:24:02.640 --> 0:24:05.480 really close. There's a potential of some really bad stuff. 0:24:05.520 --> 0:24:08.800 And so what's the left version of that that's going 0:24:08.840 --> 0:24:12.160 to get every single person in your under your umbrella 0:24:12.520 --> 0:24:15.320 to help to come to the barricades. And I will 0:24:15.359 --> 0:24:19.240 say that, as horrible as the overt racism and race 0:24:19.320 --> 0:24:24.240 baiting is, that's on the right. Um, they've mobilized the 0:24:24.359 --> 0:24:27.840 ORC army basically that's going to go out and vote, 0:24:27.880 --> 0:24:31.400 and not only that, like stand with guns by ballot 0:24:31.440 --> 0:24:35.679 boxes and everything else. And what's the left version of that? 0:24:35.720 --> 0:24:38.520 We can critique it till we're blue in the face, 0:24:39.000 --> 0:24:42.359 but what's what's our version that's going to reverse that trend? 0:24:42.480 --> 0:24:46.120 And I don't see it, but you know, to be fair, Jonathan, 0:24:46.240 --> 0:24:49.919 I don't know what could reverse that trend, right Like 0:24:50.000 --> 0:24:52.520 I think that if I think that if our idea 0:24:52.960 --> 0:24:56.720 of a pushback beyond critique and beyond pundentry, which obviously 0:24:56.760 --> 0:24:59.639 the both of us do um, but beyond that, the 0:24:59.680 --> 0:25:02.439 power that be in the Democratic Party, the powers that 0:25:02.520 --> 0:25:06.800 actually have the ability to shift to shift message and 0:25:06.880 --> 0:25:11.560 offer policy and offer broad strategy, like there is no 0:25:11.720 --> 0:25:16.760 turning the people who have adopted Trumpism as their flag, 0:25:16.840 --> 0:25:19.560 their mantra, and their cross to die on. We're not 0:25:19.680 --> 0:25:24.160 offering those people an alternative. They're gone. And so I 0:25:24.200 --> 0:25:26.760 think that it isn't about well, what is our version 0:25:26.800 --> 0:25:30.359 of X. It's how are we not telling people very 0:25:30.440 --> 0:25:34.440 directly and clearly and lifting up in their own words 0:25:34.760 --> 0:25:37.920 what these Republicans are saying and using that as are 0:25:38.000 --> 0:25:42.520 like we don't have to craft messaging. This week, Ronda 0:25:42.600 --> 0:25:46.320 Santis and Charlie Christ faced off in a debate where 0:25:46.440 --> 0:25:51.280 Ronda Santis was talking entirely about white comfort and not 0:25:51.440 --> 0:25:57.280 wanting to offer white people reality in the formation of 0:25:57.320 --> 0:26:00.840 this country because it will provide them with too much guilt. 0:26:01.560 --> 0:26:05.639 Why is the Why don't Democrats take that SoundBite and 0:26:06.400 --> 0:26:10.080 play it and say you should care about what your 0:26:10.160 --> 0:26:13.320 kids are learning and not learning, who is teaching them 0:26:13.359 --> 0:26:16.840 and not You know, you have them talking about, well, 0:26:16.960 --> 0:26:21.160 we want to get rid of entitlements, Medicare, social Security. 0:26:21.480 --> 0:26:23.879 You got the whole of Florida that is over the 0:26:23.920 --> 0:26:26.919 age of sixty five, So why aren't we messaging to 0:26:26.960 --> 0:26:29.800 them that says that what afforded you the ability to 0:26:29.840 --> 0:26:33.280 buy this retirement home or enter into this retirement village, 0:26:33.560 --> 0:26:36.720 Go and dry up come twenty twenty five if you 0:26:36.800 --> 0:26:40.520 allow for Republicans to take control, because guess what they're 0:26:40.560 --> 0:26:43.720 not going to protect what is allowing you to exist 0:26:43.800 --> 0:26:48.399 now that you are retired. I mean, when a perfect 0:26:48.400 --> 0:26:52.480 example of this as a crime right because crime, of 0:26:52.520 --> 0:26:55.960 course is real if there is a real crime right now. 0:26:56.280 --> 0:27:00.760