1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:03,320 Speaker 1: There's no money and they're projected to make significant losses, 2 00:00:03,520 --> 00:00:06,120 Speaker 1: and so now he's looking at the team realizing his 3 00:00:06,240 --> 00:00:08,360 Speaker 1: best shot for the playoffs of the wild card spot. 4 00:00:11,760 --> 00:00:12,400 Speaker 2: All right, here we go. 5 00:00:12,480 --> 00:00:15,600 Speaker 3: We're back with Jim Boden, analysts and insider for CBS Sports, 6 00:00:15,680 --> 00:00:18,279 Speaker 3: joining us for a little session here with the front 7 00:00:18,320 --> 00:00:22,000 Speaker 3: office focus. Okay, jb, I actually want to start with 8 00:00:22,200 --> 00:00:25,120 Speaker 3: a little battle that we had last week between Steve 9 00:00:25,160 --> 00:00:27,640 Speaker 3: Cohen and Scott Boris. So can you give us the 10 00:00:27,720 --> 00:00:29,760 Speaker 3: tail of the tape? And who do you think won 11 00:00:29,800 --> 00:00:31,600 Speaker 3: the fight when they put the boxing gloves on. 12 00:00:32,360 --> 00:00:34,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, Look, this has been really fun to watch this 13 00:00:34,680 --> 00:00:37,960 Speaker 1: play out because Peter A Lonzo has basically no leverage, right, 14 00:00:38,040 --> 00:00:41,320 Speaker 1: and Steve Cohen knows that who's also a great negotiator. 15 00:00:42,000 --> 00:00:44,160 Speaker 1: But as they're trying to get to the finish line here, 16 00:00:44,440 --> 00:00:46,040 Speaker 1: it's going to end up at a three year deal 17 00:00:46,080 --> 00:00:49,240 Speaker 1: around seventy to seventy two million with an opt out, right, 18 00:00:49,320 --> 00:00:51,760 Speaker 1: And I think both sides are close enough that this 19 00:00:51,840 --> 00:00:54,480 Speaker 1: deal can get done when somebody wants to give. But 20 00:00:54,520 --> 00:00:57,320 Speaker 1: it all comes down the structure. And I think when 21 00:00:57,400 --> 00:01:00,720 Speaker 1: you study Scott Boris and I negotiated with him for decades. 22 00:01:01,240 --> 00:01:04,080 Speaker 1: He's pretty predictable in his the way he thinks and 23 00:01:04,120 --> 00:01:06,280 Speaker 1: the way he goes through a process. And I think 24 00:01:06,319 --> 00:01:08,560 Speaker 1: if the Mets want to close the deal, you have 25 00:01:08,600 --> 00:01:10,880 Speaker 1: to understand there's two ways to close the deal with him. 26 00:01:11,160 --> 00:01:13,080 Speaker 1: Number One, you have to understand he wants to break 27 00:01:13,080 --> 00:01:15,440 Speaker 1: a contract record. He's not going to do that in 28 00:01:15,480 --> 00:01:17,400 Speaker 1: this case. He's not going to get the most years. 29 00:01:17,400 --> 00:01:18,800 Speaker 1: He's not going to get the most money. He's not 30 00:01:18,800 --> 00:01:21,240 Speaker 1: going to get the highest AAV for a first baseman, 31 00:01:21,319 --> 00:01:24,959 Speaker 1: so you can nix that off. Number Two, you have 32 00:01:25,000 --> 00:01:28,280 Speaker 1: to give him a pathway to get the original contract 33 00:01:28,319 --> 00:01:31,680 Speaker 1: he turned down or hit the long term deal. 34 00:01:31,480 --> 00:01:33,360 Speaker 4: He was thinking he was going to give to get 35 00:01:33,400 --> 00:01:33,959 Speaker 4: to the player. 36 00:01:34,520 --> 00:01:36,679 Speaker 1: So how do you do that, Well, you give the 37 00:01:36,720 --> 00:01:39,240 Speaker 1: player a short term deal with an opt out with 38 00:01:39,280 --> 00:01:42,040 Speaker 1: a high AAV up front, and then you get him 39 00:01:42,040 --> 00:01:44,320 Speaker 1: out and he gets the money on a second contract 40 00:01:44,440 --> 00:01:46,679 Speaker 1: or a third contract for that matter, like he did 41 00:01:46,680 --> 00:01:49,040 Speaker 1: with Blake Snell a year ago. Right, he wanted to 42 00:01:49,040 --> 00:01:50,960 Speaker 1: get him a six year, one hundred and seventy million 43 00:01:51,000 --> 00:01:53,480 Speaker 1: dollar deal. He couldn't get it, so he signed a 44 00:01:53,520 --> 00:01:56,080 Speaker 1: one year, thirty two million dollar deal with the Giants, 45 00:01:56,560 --> 00:01:58,760 Speaker 1: he opted out, and then he got the five year, 46 00:01:58,760 --> 00:02:00,640 Speaker 1: one hundred and thirty nine million dollars deal with the 47 00:02:00,680 --> 00:02:03,960 Speaker 1: Dodgers this offseason, which totals six years, one hundred and 48 00:02:04,000 --> 00:02:06,400 Speaker 1: seventy one million, which is what he wanted the year before. 49 00:02:06,760 --> 00:02:09,480 Speaker 1: So that's what he's trying to do with Alonzo. So 50 00:02:09,520 --> 00:02:12,000 Speaker 1: if Steve Cohen and David Stearns can kind of look 51 00:02:12,040 --> 00:02:14,840 Speaker 1: at this seventy or seventy two million however it's going 52 00:02:14,919 --> 00:02:16,960 Speaker 1: to play out, and if they could find a way 53 00:02:17,120 --> 00:02:20,320 Speaker 1: to front load the contract, if they can accept the 54 00:02:20,400 --> 00:02:22,680 Speaker 1: opt out with maybe a little bit of a payment, 55 00:02:23,280 --> 00:02:26,840 Speaker 1: if he opts out to get him on pace to 56 00:02:26,880 --> 00:02:29,080 Speaker 1: be able to do the same thing he did for Snell, 57 00:02:29,639 --> 00:02:31,639 Speaker 1: that will get the deal done at the exact same 58 00:02:31,680 --> 00:02:34,680 Speaker 1: guarantee money with deferrals that they're talking about right now. 59 00:02:36,040 --> 00:02:38,760 Speaker 2: That's incredible, man. At first, I gotta just give you 60 00:02:38,760 --> 00:02:40,440 Speaker 2: a little credit to sweatch your right now that you're 61 00:02:40,480 --> 00:02:41,919 Speaker 2: Ryan looks like you're about to go to a wrap 62 00:02:41,960 --> 00:02:44,880 Speaker 2: Battle concert, and I respect that totally though. You're look 63 00:02:44,919 --> 00:02:47,239 Speaker 2: him fresh. So if you want to spit a couple 64 00:02:47,240 --> 00:02:50,560 Speaker 2: of lyrics right now, just let us know. Let me 65 00:02:50,639 --> 00:02:52,400 Speaker 2: talk a little bit about the Blue Jays though, with 66 00:02:52,400 --> 00:02:54,720 Speaker 2: this whole scenario, are they out of it now or 67 00:02:54,800 --> 00:02:57,360 Speaker 2: is it? Is it just the Mets solely now you 68 00:02:57,360 --> 00:02:59,639 Speaker 2: talk about leverage, is it the Mets only to get 69 00:02:59,680 --> 00:03:01,880 Speaker 2: Pete or is it the Toronto's still trying to find 70 00:03:01,880 --> 00:03:02,680 Speaker 2: a way to get them. 71 00:03:03,120 --> 00:03:05,519 Speaker 1: No, I think Toronto's in there just to try to 72 00:03:05,560 --> 00:03:07,360 Speaker 1: show that there might be leverage. And of course, the 73 00:03:07,360 --> 00:03:10,680 Speaker 1: way the basic agreement is written, teams can't say we're 74 00:03:10,760 --> 00:03:13,240 Speaker 1: out on this player, right, That's part of the agreement 75 00:03:13,320 --> 00:03:16,800 Speaker 1: that's there in the CBA. So Blue Jays can't say anything. 76 00:03:16,880 --> 00:03:20,040 Speaker 1: And so, you know, is it possible they could sign Alonzo. 77 00:03:19,720 --> 00:03:20,800 Speaker 4: Move Guerrero to third? 78 00:03:20,919 --> 00:03:24,320 Speaker 1: Sure, But my understanding is they're not in this thing 79 00:03:24,360 --> 00:03:26,920 Speaker 1: at all, not that they don't have interest, not that 80 00:03:26,960 --> 00:03:29,480 Speaker 1: they wouldn't consider it if the price was right, but 81 00:03:29,720 --> 00:03:32,160 Speaker 1: based on kind of where the Alonso camp is and 82 00:03:32,200 --> 00:03:34,800 Speaker 1: where Pete wants to go, it doesn't seem to be 83 00:03:34,880 --> 00:03:37,160 Speaker 1: an option. You know, we've heard the San Francisco Giants, 84 00:03:37,200 --> 00:03:41,200 Speaker 1: but Buster Posey is completely opposed to opt outs. He 85 00:03:41,240 --> 00:03:45,520 Speaker 1: does not want them. That's a real philosophical in cement 86 00:03:45,880 --> 00:03:48,360 Speaker 1: viewpoint that he has right now. In his first year 87 00:03:48,560 --> 00:03:51,440 Speaker 1: running the Giants, so that's kind of out. The best 88 00:03:51,520 --> 00:03:53,320 Speaker 1: fit for him is the Mariners, but they don't have 89 00:03:53,360 --> 00:03:56,280 Speaker 1: any money, so they're not going anywhere. So you know, look, 90 00:03:56,320 --> 00:03:58,160 Speaker 1: there's not a lot of options. This is a deal 91 00:03:58,200 --> 00:04:00,520 Speaker 1: that I would be shocked at if it doesn't get 92 00:04:00,520 --> 00:04:03,280 Speaker 1: done with the Mets. It's just a matter of both 93 00:04:03,320 --> 00:04:05,440 Speaker 1: sides needing to give here at the end to get 94 00:04:05,480 --> 00:04:09,000 Speaker 1: the structure so both sides can at least be satisfied. Look, 95 00:04:09,000 --> 00:04:11,200 Speaker 1: Pete A. Lonso is going to lose this negotiation. It 96 00:04:11,280 --> 00:04:13,160 Speaker 1: is what it is. But he needs to do the 97 00:04:13,200 --> 00:04:15,360 Speaker 1: best he can to get the most money up front 98 00:04:15,400 --> 00:04:17,880 Speaker 1: like Cody Bellinger did with the Cubs two years ago, 99 00:04:17,880 --> 00:04:20,400 Speaker 1: which was another Boris client, and then be able to 100 00:04:20,440 --> 00:04:22,440 Speaker 1: opt out in two years and hope that the market 101 00:04:22,480 --> 00:04:24,840 Speaker 1: for first basement is better and that he can put 102 00:04:24,920 --> 00:04:26,719 Speaker 1: up two years of forty home runs a year. 103 00:04:27,800 --> 00:04:31,560 Speaker 5: What happened? What rule gets broken? More attachment forty nine 104 00:04:31,880 --> 00:04:35,200 Speaker 5: or any other rule? Because Steve Cohen we were talking 105 00:04:35,200 --> 00:04:38,000 Speaker 5: about the Steve Cohen stuff. Did he break the rule? 106 00:04:40,240 --> 00:04:45,720 Speaker 1: I mean, I mean technically I don't think he did, 107 00:04:45,880 --> 00:04:49,880 Speaker 1: but I understand the viewpoint and the warning that's out there. Look, 108 00:04:50,240 --> 00:04:54,000 Speaker 1: when you have no leverage, you need the owners to 109 00:04:54,080 --> 00:04:57,280 Speaker 1: behave because you have no other place to go. So 110 00:04:57,960 --> 00:05:02,000 Speaker 1: you're sitting here in this particular sit situation, grinding it out, 111 00:05:02,160 --> 00:05:04,760 Speaker 1: and you want to get the warning out from one 112 00:05:04,760 --> 00:05:07,400 Speaker 1: of the media members that hey, this is going to 113 00:05:07,440 --> 00:05:09,720 Speaker 1: be in a violation. I can file a grievance and 114 00:05:10,080 --> 00:05:12,000 Speaker 1: in other words, it's more of a warning to the 115 00:05:12,040 --> 00:05:15,080 Speaker 1: owners stop it because you're affecting my negotiations. 116 00:05:16,640 --> 00:05:18,719 Speaker 3: All right, JB, I want to take us to the 117 00:05:18,839 --> 00:05:22,120 Speaker 3: San Diego Padres. I'm still befuddled, although I understand their 118 00:05:22,279 --> 00:05:26,359 Speaker 3: significant ownership strife going on right now. But you know, 119 00:05:26,400 --> 00:05:28,760 Speaker 3: we start hearing about cees at the beginning really of 120 00:05:28,800 --> 00:05:30,880 Speaker 3: the off season. It sounds like it could be heating 121 00:05:30,960 --> 00:05:33,800 Speaker 3: up a little bit. Michael King's name gets thrown around 122 00:05:33,839 --> 00:05:36,279 Speaker 3: at one point it was Luisa Rise. So, hey, what 123 00:05:36,320 --> 00:05:38,640 Speaker 3: do you think the Padres are going to end up 124 00:05:38,640 --> 00:05:41,240 Speaker 3: doing this offseason as they've seen some of their very 125 00:05:41,240 --> 00:05:45,360 Speaker 3: familiar faces go elsewhere like Kim and profile Profile. Sorry 126 00:05:45,360 --> 00:05:48,000 Speaker 3: and B, do you think this has to do with 127 00:05:48,200 --> 00:05:51,040 Speaker 3: the legal battle that's going on with ownership and that's 128 00:05:51,120 --> 00:05:55,000 Speaker 3: preventing them from pushing forward with budget and positive activity 129 00:05:55,080 --> 00:05:56,240 Speaker 3: versus trading guys off. 130 00:05:56,720 --> 00:05:59,159 Speaker 1: Well, it's definitely an ownership issue. There's no money and 131 00:05:59,279 --> 00:06:03,400 Speaker 1: they're projected to make significant losses, and so AJ has 132 00:06:03,400 --> 00:06:05,280 Speaker 1: no money to work with. That's why he was hoping 133 00:06:05,720 --> 00:06:08,720 Speaker 1: to be able to get Sasaki, even though he had 134 00:06:08,760 --> 00:06:10,960 Speaker 1: a pre cut deal with the Dodgers. Apparently he was 135 00:06:11,000 --> 00:06:13,200 Speaker 1: hoping to get Sasaki and hoping that wasn't the case 136 00:06:13,279 --> 00:06:16,680 Speaker 1: because you put Sasaki with King and Cease and Darbish 137 00:06:16,880 --> 00:06:20,080 Speaker 1: and you can still win. Right now, you didn't get Susaki, 138 00:06:20,120 --> 00:06:22,039 Speaker 1: you got Muscrove that's going to be out for the year. 139 00:06:22,520 --> 00:06:25,159 Speaker 1: And so now he's looking at the team realizing his 140 00:06:25,240 --> 00:06:27,360 Speaker 1: best shot for the playoffs as a wild card spot, 141 00:06:27,440 --> 00:06:30,440 Speaker 1: which he has a chance to but no Profar, no 142 00:06:30,560 --> 00:06:34,080 Speaker 1: Kim as you mentioned, and no pathway that anybody that's 143 00:06:34,120 --> 00:06:36,960 Speaker 1: making any money because your orders are the cut payroll, 144 00:06:37,000 --> 00:06:40,280 Speaker 1: not thatad payroll. And then you've got the double contundrum 145 00:06:40,360 --> 00:06:42,880 Speaker 1: in the fact that Okay lewis rise as a free agent, 146 00:06:43,000 --> 00:06:45,520 Speaker 1: Dylan sees is a free agent, So now what are 147 00:06:45,560 --> 00:06:46,800 Speaker 1: you going to do? So now you've got to go 148 00:06:46,800 --> 00:06:49,080 Speaker 1: to the market and say, Okay, I can't extend either one, 149 00:06:49,240 --> 00:06:51,160 Speaker 1: I probably with a year out instead of waiting to 150 00:06:51,200 --> 00:06:53,000 Speaker 1: the trade deadline, should see what I can get. 151 00:06:53,040 --> 00:06:56,599 Speaker 4: Now you go through that process, and you know, as the. 152 00:06:56,600 --> 00:06:58,920 Speaker 1: Brewers learned a year ago with Corbyn Burns, I mean, 153 00:06:58,960 --> 00:07:01,159 Speaker 1: the price is Joey or Ts and dl Hall and 154 00:07:01,200 --> 00:07:02,200 Speaker 1: that's best case scenario. 155 00:07:02,240 --> 00:07:03,040 Speaker 4: That's all you're getting. 156 00:07:03,520 --> 00:07:05,479 Speaker 1: You know, it's not like you're trading Juan Soto, so 157 00:07:06,040 --> 00:07:07,960 Speaker 1: you know the trade value is not what it is. 158 00:07:07,960 --> 00:07:10,240 Speaker 1: So then you say, well, what about Michael King. When 159 00:07:10,280 --> 00:07:12,760 Speaker 1: you get King, you've got more control with him. Does 160 00:07:12,800 --> 00:07:13,320 Speaker 1: that get it? 161 00:07:13,360 --> 00:07:15,480 Speaker 4: So? I think the Padres are looking at it two ways. 162 00:07:15,560 --> 00:07:17,920 Speaker 1: Number One, we could go for it, try to get 163 00:07:17,920 --> 00:07:20,760 Speaker 1: a wild card Berth it doesn't work. We can make 164 00:07:20,800 --> 00:07:24,920 Speaker 1: trades at the trade deadline to retool. Or let's see 165 00:07:24,920 --> 00:07:27,920 Speaker 1: if we can't get six or seven prospects for three 166 00:07:27,920 --> 00:07:30,600 Speaker 1: of our better players now and kind of start this 167 00:07:30,680 --> 00:07:33,000 Speaker 1: rebuild now, because financially it's not going to. 168 00:07:33,040 --> 00:07:33,720 Speaker 4: Get any better. 169 00:07:34,080 --> 00:07:36,680 Speaker 1: They've also gone down the path of saying, hey, we'll 170 00:07:36,680 --> 00:07:40,680 Speaker 1: trade one of our top prospects with Xander Bogarts if 171 00:07:40,720 --> 00:07:43,160 Speaker 1: you take Bogart's contract. So they're trying to find other 172 00:07:43,200 --> 00:07:46,640 Speaker 1: ways also to reduce payroll to try to afford to 173 00:07:46,640 --> 00:07:49,280 Speaker 1: do other things. But you know, they put themselves in 174 00:07:49,360 --> 00:07:53,200 Speaker 1: a tough corner and until the ownership either provides more 175 00:07:53,280 --> 00:07:58,080 Speaker 1: resources or get settled, I don't see the Padres situation 176 00:07:58,160 --> 00:08:00,960 Speaker 1: in the front office changing until that changes. 177 00:08:02,360 --> 00:08:05,240 Speaker 5: Why have the White Sox not been able to move 178 00:08:05,360 --> 00:08:09,400 Speaker 5: lubab Luis? Robert is still a White Sox. They have 179 00:08:09,440 --> 00:08:11,760 Speaker 5: White Sox. I got the White Sox losing more than 180 00:08:11,760 --> 00:08:14,280 Speaker 5: one hundred and twenty one games, and with Robert out 181 00:08:14,280 --> 00:08:16,440 Speaker 5: of the lineup, they could accomplish that for me. But 182 00:08:17,040 --> 00:08:19,400 Speaker 5: have you heard any what is getting in the way 183 00:08:19,440 --> 00:08:19,720 Speaker 5: of that? 184 00:08:20,360 --> 00:08:21,480 Speaker 4: Yeah? Absolutely I have. 185 00:08:21,680 --> 00:08:23,720 Speaker 1: So there have been some teams that have been in 186 00:08:23,760 --> 00:08:26,800 Speaker 1: on Lewis Robert. The Cincinnati Reds Philadelphia Phillies are two 187 00:08:26,800 --> 00:08:29,480 Speaker 1: of the teams that have had discussions with the Chicago 188 00:08:29,480 --> 00:08:32,520 Speaker 1: White Sox. And what the White Sox want in return 189 00:08:32,600 --> 00:08:37,560 Speaker 1: for Lewis Robert is they want too legitimate top five 190 00:08:37,640 --> 00:08:40,600 Speaker 1: prospects in your organization. I mean, they want two really 191 00:08:40,600 --> 00:08:44,080 Speaker 1: good players, and right now the teams that have talked 192 00:08:44,080 --> 00:08:46,080 Speaker 1: to them are willing to give one really. 193 00:08:45,880 --> 00:08:47,600 Speaker 4: Good player, but not two. 194 00:08:48,200 --> 00:08:50,520 Speaker 1: The reason being, when you give up a top prospects. 195 00:08:50,360 --> 00:08:52,880 Speaker 1: That's a sure thing. You know you're going to control 196 00:08:52,960 --> 00:08:55,560 Speaker 1: them for six years, et cetera, et cetera. And of course, 197 00:08:55,600 --> 00:08:59,240 Speaker 1: in the Garrett Crochet trade, they got two legit top prospects, 198 00:08:59,400 --> 00:09:02,560 Speaker 1: the Catcherile Teal and the right field of Braid Montgomery, 199 00:09:02,600 --> 00:09:05,000 Speaker 1: and they're hoping to get two more here, so they'll 200 00:09:05,000 --> 00:09:07,800 Speaker 1: get four everyday players for the two stars that they trade. 201 00:09:07,880 --> 00:09:09,959 Speaker 1: So I understand what they're trying to do. Now they 202 00:09:09,960 --> 00:09:11,240 Speaker 1: haven't been able to do that. 203 00:09:11,320 --> 00:09:12,240 Speaker 4: So now the. 204 00:09:12,280 --> 00:09:16,680 Speaker 1: Question is the player worth two good prospects. I would 205 00:09:16,760 --> 00:09:20,160 Speaker 1: argue there's a pathway to say yes. But let's talk 206 00:09:20,200 --> 00:09:22,880 Speaker 1: about the player, and then I mean Eric and Todd, 207 00:09:22,880 --> 00:09:24,559 Speaker 1: you guys jump in on what you think of the player. 208 00:09:24,640 --> 00:09:26,640 Speaker 1: So two years ago, we saw him at thirty eight 209 00:09:26,679 --> 00:09:29,199 Speaker 1: homers his rookie year, we saw him win a Gold Glove. 210 00:09:30,040 --> 00:09:32,640 Speaker 1: We've seen him steal twenty bags, and we've seen the 211 00:09:32,800 --> 00:09:36,920 Speaker 1: ridiculous athleticism and talent that's there. We've also seen a 212 00:09:36,960 --> 00:09:38,960 Speaker 1: guy that doesn't always show up. We see a guy 213 00:09:39,000 --> 00:09:41,280 Speaker 1: that loses focus in the outfield. We see a guy 214 00:09:41,280 --> 00:09:44,800 Speaker 1: that doesn't seem to grind, doesn't seem to be one 215 00:09:44,840 --> 00:09:49,520 Speaker 1: hundred percent into the games now, partly because perhaps he's 216 00:09:49,559 --> 00:09:52,120 Speaker 1: with one of the worst teams in baseball history, partly 217 00:09:52,200 --> 00:09:54,640 Speaker 1: because there's no protection in the lineup. I mean, there's 218 00:09:54,640 --> 00:09:57,920 Speaker 1: all kinds of excuses that we can give, but if 219 00:09:57,920 --> 00:10:00,559 Speaker 1: you're giving up two really good prospects, I don't want 220 00:10:00,600 --> 00:10:04,280 Speaker 1: just a potential star player. I also want a guy 221 00:10:04,320 --> 00:10:07,120 Speaker 1: that wants to play, that's a winning player. Because the 222 00:10:07,240 --> 00:10:09,000 Speaker 1: last two years of my three year deal with him 223 00:10:09,240 --> 00:10:11,440 Speaker 1: is going to be twenty million a year, which makes 224 00:10:11,480 --> 00:10:13,199 Speaker 1: it more difficult to give up. So I think, what 225 00:10:13,360 --> 00:10:16,160 Speaker 1: has to happen To answer your question, Eric, I think 226 00:10:16,200 --> 00:10:19,840 Speaker 1: he has to get to spring training, that he's healthy 227 00:10:20,480 --> 00:10:23,280 Speaker 1: and be performing at the level we saw two years ago, 228 00:10:23,760 --> 00:10:27,200 Speaker 1: playing with enthusiasm. And I think if that happens, there's 229 00:10:27,200 --> 00:10:29,120 Speaker 1: still a chance he's traded by opening Day. 230 00:10:30,400 --> 00:10:33,160 Speaker 5: This is my universal sign for No, I don't have 231 00:10:33,160 --> 00:10:35,920 Speaker 5: a big nose. It's I completely agree with you, and 232 00:10:35,960 --> 00:10:39,400 Speaker 5: I'm only looking from the outside. The talent is there, 233 00:10:39,480 --> 00:10:42,680 Speaker 5: but I could agree more with you. I mean, he's 234 00:10:42,840 --> 00:10:45,680 Speaker 5: he's just he needs to show me he wants to 235 00:10:45,720 --> 00:10:47,800 Speaker 5: go and play for the Phillies. He wants to go 236 00:10:47,840 --> 00:10:51,920 Speaker 5: and play for a team that's contending, right, talent goes 237 00:10:51,960 --> 00:10:53,920 Speaker 5: so far. Maybe maybe Todd has a different view. 238 00:10:55,000 --> 00:10:57,120 Speaker 2: No, I agree one hundred percent. You talk about a grinder. 239 00:10:57,120 --> 00:10:59,079 Speaker 2: I'm looking for those grinders. The guy that's going to 240 00:10:59,160 --> 00:11:01,800 Speaker 2: come in early and show these young guys how it's 241 00:11:01,880 --> 00:11:03,959 Speaker 2: really done, stayed later. Hey, I need I need ten 242 00:11:04,000 --> 00:11:06,480 Speaker 2: to fifteen more flies. I need, you know, can we 243 00:11:06,520 --> 00:11:08,360 Speaker 2: work on this? Come here, young buck. Let me let 244 00:11:08,360 --> 00:11:09,920 Speaker 2: me show you how it's supposed to be done. And 245 00:11:10,360 --> 00:11:13,280 Speaker 2: we just haven't seen that. So Ultimately, at the end 246 00:11:13,280 --> 00:11:15,920 Speaker 2: of the day, it's it's now or never. 247 00:11:16,000 --> 00:11:17,800 Speaker 4: If you want the truth, it's go time. 248 00:11:17,800 --> 00:11:19,400 Speaker 2: The guy can hit and we all know that. 249 00:11:19,520 --> 00:11:21,960 Speaker 1: So and then the thing you have to do your 250 00:11:22,080 --> 00:11:24,480 Speaker 1: team is, you know, you got to have players in 251 00:11:24,520 --> 00:11:27,920 Speaker 1: your clubhouse that can help get the most out of 252 00:11:27,960 --> 00:11:28,400 Speaker 1: the player. 253 00:11:28,480 --> 00:11:28,640 Speaker 2: You know. 254 00:11:28,800 --> 00:11:30,640 Speaker 1: I remember, you know, when I was a gym, I 255 00:11:30,720 --> 00:11:33,800 Speaker 1: brought in a couple of players, Tony Fernandez and Benito 256 00:11:33,800 --> 00:11:36,040 Speaker 1: Santiago that had a great talent, but we had some 257 00:11:36,160 --> 00:11:38,959 Speaker 1: of the same questions about them. But I had a 258 00:11:39,000 --> 00:11:42,160 Speaker 1: Barry Larkin and a Lenny Harris in that clubhouse, and 259 00:11:42,200 --> 00:11:44,080 Speaker 1: I didn't have to worry about it because they would 260 00:11:44,160 --> 00:11:47,680 Speaker 1: be on those guys. And as as Barry Larkin told 261 00:11:47,679 --> 00:11:49,760 Speaker 1: me one day, he said, you know, we can have 262 00:11:49,800 --> 00:11:51,880 Speaker 1: one bad apple and be fine. We just can't have 263 00:11:51,920 --> 00:11:53,720 Speaker 1: a lot of them. And so when you look at 264 00:11:53,720 --> 00:11:56,559 Speaker 1: a Robert he is a good fit for Cincinnati. Put 265 00:11:56,600 --> 00:11:59,360 Speaker 1: him in center field, but all the other outfielders platoon, 266 00:11:59,800 --> 00:12:02,400 Speaker 1: you know, but have that power in that ballpark. It 267 00:12:02,440 --> 00:12:05,640 Speaker 1: is forty home runs. The defense helps the pitching staff 268 00:12:05,640 --> 00:12:07,679 Speaker 1: because it's not a great defensive team. So it's a 269 00:12:07,720 --> 00:12:10,400 Speaker 1: really good fit. But do you have the guys in 270 00:12:10,440 --> 00:12:13,160 Speaker 1: the clubhouse? Can Matt McLain and Ellie da Cruz? Can 271 00:12:13,200 --> 00:12:15,760 Speaker 1: those guys get him? I know Terry Francona will hold 272 00:12:15,840 --> 00:12:19,720 Speaker 1: him accountable, but those are questions that front offices have 273 00:12:19,880 --> 00:12:21,719 Speaker 1: to ask. You know, do you have the guys that 274 00:12:21,760 --> 00:12:23,920 Speaker 1: fit now? I would argue the Phillies definitely have that 275 00:12:24,200 --> 00:12:27,880 Speaker 1: in Kyle Schwarbur and Bryce Harper. So to me, if 276 00:12:27,920 --> 00:12:32,000 Speaker 1: I were confident that that guy could work there, I 277 00:12:32,080 --> 00:12:33,760 Speaker 1: definitely feel confident with the Phillies. 278 00:12:34,800 --> 00:12:36,720 Speaker 2: So last one for me, I want to talk about 279 00:12:36,760 --> 00:12:38,839 Speaker 2: the Mariners a little bit and how they have this 280 00:12:38,960 --> 00:12:42,400 Speaker 2: set budget. I mean, nowadays you're seeing teams go over 281 00:12:42,440 --> 00:12:45,040 Speaker 2: the tax threshold. You see all this, I want to 282 00:12:45,040 --> 00:12:46,840 Speaker 2: bring up Jerry de Poto a little bit. Man, Is 283 00:12:46,840 --> 00:12:48,680 Speaker 2: he doing a good job or does he need to 284 00:12:48,960 --> 00:12:51,280 Speaker 2: get after a little bit in the trademarket and finding 285 00:12:51,320 --> 00:12:53,360 Speaker 2: guys that get on this squad. I mean, we've heard 286 00:12:53,360 --> 00:12:56,360 Speaker 2: about the story by Mike Petriello about how their park 287 00:12:56,440 --> 00:12:58,080 Speaker 2: is one of the hardest to hit in as well. 288 00:12:58,200 --> 00:13:01,000 Speaker 2: So you know, what is ja Gerry have to do here? 289 00:13:01,120 --> 00:13:03,000 Speaker 2: You know, with a set budget, I mean, is there 290 00:13:03,000 --> 00:13:03,760 Speaker 2: more he can do? 291 00:13:04,679 --> 00:13:05,560 Speaker 4: Yeah? I mean you have to. 292 00:13:05,600 --> 00:13:07,760 Speaker 1: I mean, first of all, the reason the Mariners are 293 00:13:07,760 --> 00:13:09,880 Speaker 1: where they are is because of ownership not providing the 294 00:13:09,920 --> 00:13:12,200 Speaker 1: money to win. And when you have the best five 295 00:13:12,240 --> 00:13:14,880 Speaker 1: man rotation arguably in the American League, or at least 296 00:13:14,880 --> 00:13:17,040 Speaker 1: top two in the American League, you should be not 297 00:13:17,080 --> 00:13:18,640 Speaker 1: only in the playoffs, but a chance to win a 298 00:13:18,679 --> 00:13:21,280 Speaker 1: World Series. And you should be doing everything you can 299 00:13:21,360 --> 00:13:23,240 Speaker 1: to add two bats to a team that would be 300 00:13:23,240 --> 00:13:26,679 Speaker 1: completely different with two impact bats. So the fact that 301 00:13:26,760 --> 00:13:29,520 Speaker 1: you're not spending money now when you have a window 302 00:13:29,559 --> 00:13:32,240 Speaker 1: to win makes no sense. Spend it now and make 303 00:13:32,320 --> 00:13:34,160 Speaker 1: up for it three years from now or four years 304 00:13:34,200 --> 00:13:37,160 Speaker 1: down the road when your team doesn't have the window anymore, 305 00:13:37,240 --> 00:13:41,080 Speaker 1: so managing the long term ownership, it's a huge mistake 306 00:13:41,120 --> 00:13:43,720 Speaker 1: what they're making now in terms of Jerry, Look, he's 307 00:13:43,720 --> 00:13:47,480 Speaker 1: as aggressive as you can find. He hasn't gotten the 308 00:13:47,559 --> 00:13:50,400 Speaker 1: job done, and this is a result oriented business. You know, 309 00:13:50,760 --> 00:13:53,640 Speaker 1: there were first basemen traded this offseason that would have 310 00:13:53,640 --> 00:13:56,679 Speaker 1: fit in their budget. Josh Naylor went from the Guardians 311 00:13:56,720 --> 00:13:59,640 Speaker 1: to the Diamondbacks, Jake Berger went from the Marlins to 312 00:13:59,640 --> 00:14:02,839 Speaker 1: the rain Both of those guys would have fit perfectly 313 00:14:03,760 --> 00:14:06,319 Speaker 1: with the Seattle Mariners, so there were options out there. 314 00:14:06,679 --> 00:14:09,680 Speaker 1: He also has seven players in the top one hundred 315 00:14:09,679 --> 00:14:14,839 Speaker 1: prospects in baseball, so he's got prospects that he can trade. Also, 316 00:14:15,000 --> 00:14:17,839 Speaker 1: a team like the Tampa Bay Rays of Yon di Diaz, 317 00:14:17,880 --> 00:14:20,400 Speaker 1: who they would trade because they have Trade Morgan and 318 00:14:20,800 --> 00:14:23,960 Speaker 1: they've got Xavier Isaac comming, so you know they would 319 00:14:24,000 --> 00:14:26,040 Speaker 1: be open to a deal there, and they would love 320 00:14:26,120 --> 00:14:29,240 Speaker 1: a prospect deal because the Mariners are loaded in that area. 321 00:14:29,360 --> 00:14:32,840 Speaker 1: So there is more that Jerry can do. He also 322 00:14:33,000 --> 00:14:35,080 Speaker 1: to get creative, whether he wants to or not. In 323 00:14:35,080 --> 00:14:37,920 Speaker 1: other words, I know Louis Castillo's contract is too much 324 00:14:37,960 --> 00:14:41,120 Speaker 1: for some teams right I mean, he's twenty four million 325 00:14:41,160 --> 00:14:43,480 Speaker 1: a year and he's got several more years left on 326 00:14:43,520 --> 00:14:45,640 Speaker 1: the deal. If you have to eat four or five 327 00:14:45,680 --> 00:14:47,520 Speaker 1: million a year of it, then you eat it. I 328 00:14:47,560 --> 00:14:50,160 Speaker 1: know Mitch Haniger's got a bad contract at fifteen million, 329 00:14:50,400 --> 00:14:52,680 Speaker 1: eat half of it, trade him at seven and a 330 00:14:52,680 --> 00:14:53,320 Speaker 1: half million. 331 00:14:53,760 --> 00:14:56,640 Speaker 4: But you've got to find a way to get the bats. 332 00:14:56,720 --> 00:14:59,440 Speaker 1: I mean, you can't tell me that there wasn't a 333 00:14:59,520 --> 00:15:01,680 Speaker 1: time that you could have gotten Tristan Casts from the 334 00:15:01,680 --> 00:15:05,160 Speaker 1: Red Sox, or Kobe Mayo from the Orioles, or Ryan 335 00:15:05,200 --> 00:15:07,400 Speaker 1: Mountcastle from the Orioles for that matter. I mean, there 336 00:15:07,440 --> 00:15:10,520 Speaker 1: has to be deals that can be made. Jerry's been 337 00:15:10,520 --> 00:15:13,280 Speaker 1: one of the most aggressive gms since he got to Seattle. 338 00:15:13,560 --> 00:15:17,600 Speaker 1: It's surprising they haven't done much. But I will say this, 339 00:15:17,840 --> 00:15:20,880 Speaker 1: he is trying. I know that from opposing gms, so 340 00:15:20,920 --> 00:15:22,280 Speaker 1: he has been out there aggressive. 341 00:15:22,680 --> 00:15:24,200 Speaker 4: But this is the time. 342 00:15:24,080 --> 00:15:26,160 Speaker 1: Really where an owner should wake up on the right 343 00:15:26,200 --> 00:15:28,480 Speaker 1: side of the bed and tell Jerry go get me 344 00:15:28,520 --> 00:15:31,840 Speaker 1: Alonzo and Bregman tomorrow because I can afford both, which 345 00:15:31,880 --> 00:15:32,280 Speaker 1: they can. 346 00:15:33,400 --> 00:15:36,680 Speaker 5: All right, you're on the inside of these deals. Last year, 347 00:15:36,800 --> 00:15:41,680 Speaker 5: Keik Hernandez came on here and said, ironically the same day, 348 00:15:41,840 --> 00:15:45,040 Speaker 5: within an hour, I got an offer for the same 349 00:15:45,080 --> 00:15:48,080 Speaker 5: amount of years and the same amount of dollars. And 350 00:15:48,120 --> 00:15:51,000 Speaker 5: this has happened to two other of my friends who 351 00:15:51,000 --> 00:15:54,480 Speaker 5: I won't mention again. Kind of that fringe type of player, 352 00:15:54,560 --> 00:15:58,760 Speaker 5: definitely a big leaguer, not a superstar. From your seat 353 00:15:58,800 --> 00:16:03,600 Speaker 5: as a GM, yeah, how can you explain this that 354 00:16:03,960 --> 00:16:08,440 Speaker 5: the Oakland A's and the Cincinnati Reds both offer two 355 00:16:08,520 --> 00:16:13,960 Speaker 5: years two point nine million dollars and not say it 356 00:16:14,080 --> 00:16:16,200 Speaker 5: is not conclusion, it is not collusion. 357 00:16:16,720 --> 00:16:20,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, So this is the way I'm going to answer, Eric, 358 00:16:20,360 --> 00:16:23,960 Speaker 1: is the following number one. Major League Baseball hires some 359 00:16:24,040 --> 00:16:27,680 Speaker 1: of the most expensive lawyers in the country. And ever 360 00:16:27,760 --> 00:16:30,920 Speaker 1: since you had that collusion in the eighties when pd 361 00:16:31,040 --> 00:16:34,880 Speaker 1: Ubroth was the commissioner, the teams are very careful to 362 00:16:34,920 --> 00:16:37,800 Speaker 1: make sure that all of the lawyers go through everything 363 00:16:37,960 --> 00:16:41,480 Speaker 1: the Commissioner's office and the teams do to make sure 364 00:16:42,000 --> 00:16:44,720 Speaker 1: that they can never be. 365 00:16:45,240 --> 00:16:46,240 Speaker 4: Called for collusion. 366 00:16:46,280 --> 00:16:49,440 Speaker 1: Again, that being said, in this world, we all have 367 00:16:49,560 --> 00:16:50,960 Speaker 1: loopholes and everything we do. 368 00:16:51,080 --> 00:16:53,080 Speaker 4: So how do you do a loophole? Simple? 369 00:16:54,480 --> 00:16:58,360 Speaker 1: It is it is legal for teams to get from 370 00:16:58,360 --> 00:17:02,400 Speaker 1: the Commissioner's office based on their data and research. Where 371 00:17:02,440 --> 00:17:05,199 Speaker 1: do you see a player's value? You know, here's a 372 00:17:05,240 --> 00:17:09,280 Speaker 1: particular player. What is ped Alonzo worth? Okay, Well, the 373 00:17:09,359 --> 00:17:13,760 Speaker 1: AAV the way we see is twenty two million a year. Okay, 374 00:17:13,800 --> 00:17:15,600 Speaker 1: So now all of a sudden, ped Alonzo gets a 375 00:17:15,600 --> 00:17:18,520 Speaker 1: bunch of offers about twenty two million a year. So 376 00:17:19,000 --> 00:17:23,359 Speaker 1: you know, the Commissioner's office, the Labor Relations department, the 377 00:17:23,400 --> 00:17:29,200 Speaker 1: thirty clubs all share similar information on all of these players. 378 00:17:29,880 --> 00:17:31,840 Speaker 1: All of them are well aware of what everyone has 379 00:17:31,920 --> 00:17:34,600 Speaker 1: made in the past, how many years, how many dollars 380 00:17:35,080 --> 00:17:39,520 Speaker 1: they slot players in based on career performance, platform years, 381 00:17:40,040 --> 00:17:43,040 Speaker 1: of where the value should be. And every time of 382 00:17:43,119 --> 00:17:47,840 Speaker 1: value goes beyond that, the industry gets really upset because 383 00:17:47,880 --> 00:17:51,560 Speaker 1: it changes the landscape for everybody else. That's why arbitration 384 00:17:51,640 --> 00:17:54,480 Speaker 1: numbers have always gone this way. That's why whenever you 385 00:17:54,480 --> 00:17:56,920 Speaker 1: get a superior talent like Juan Soto, all of a 386 00:17:56,960 --> 00:17:59,600 Speaker 1: sudden it goes to another planet. But when it goes 387 00:17:59,640 --> 00:18:01,680 Speaker 1: to another plant, they try to make sure the rest 388 00:18:01,720 --> 00:18:04,080 Speaker 1: of the industry doesn't as best they can. 389 00:18:04,640 --> 00:18:07,480 Speaker 4: So yeah, I mean, look, if you ask. 390 00:18:07,400 --> 00:18:10,080 Speaker 1: Me to value a certain player and gave me three 391 00:18:10,119 --> 00:18:12,760 Speaker 1: hours to do that, I would come up to with 392 00:18:12,800 --> 00:18:15,480 Speaker 1: a very similar year and dollar number that the other 393 00:18:15,560 --> 00:18:17,760 Speaker 1: thirty clubs would make. And if I'm going to make 394 00:18:17,800 --> 00:18:20,680 Speaker 1: the same offer, I guarantee you the Blue Jays made 395 00:18:20,720 --> 00:18:23,040 Speaker 1: the same offera as most teams on all. 396 00:18:22,920 --> 00:18:25,320 Speaker 4: The free agents, because that's what they do. They make 397 00:18:25,359 --> 00:18:26,119 Speaker 4: market offers. 398 00:18:26,359 --> 00:18:28,879 Speaker 1: The teams that actually get the free agents, like the 399 00:18:28,960 --> 00:18:31,640 Speaker 1: Yankees and the Dodgers, they actually just pay a little 400 00:18:31,680 --> 00:18:36,119 Speaker 1: bit more to make sure they get them. 401 00:18:36,119 --> 00:18:38,000 Speaker 3: Making the same offer, then you're just putting it in 402 00:18:38,040 --> 00:18:40,439 Speaker 3: their hands. You want to actually win the player, you 403 00:18:40,520 --> 00:18:43,200 Speaker 3: got to go over the computer algorithm. It doesn't sound 404 00:18:43,280 --> 00:18:47,560 Speaker 3: that complicated, but apparently it is for some number crunchers. Well, Jim, 405 00:18:47,880 --> 00:18:49,840 Speaker 3: on our way out here, we just want to give 406 00:18:49,880 --> 00:18:52,320 Speaker 3: a shout out to your son, Chad. You've got amazing 407 00:18:52,359 --> 00:18:53,760 Speaker 3: children who are super talented. 408 00:18:53,800 --> 00:18:55,640 Speaker 4: But Chad just took. 409 00:18:55,440 --> 00:18:57,440 Speaker 3: Center stage with the way that he led Notre Dame 410 00:18:57,560 --> 00:18:59,600 Speaker 3: to a title game, right, and he's the gem of 411 00:18:59,600 --> 00:19:02,920 Speaker 3: that team for the past what was it year or two? 412 00:19:04,040 --> 00:19:04,440 Speaker 4: For a year? 413 00:19:04,520 --> 00:19:07,199 Speaker 3: Yeah, well that was pretty quick to be able to 414 00:19:07,200 --> 00:19:10,280 Speaker 3: turn them into a ridiculous contender. And now he's going 415 00:19:10,359 --> 00:19:12,720 Speaker 3: to do the same operation over at USC and so 416 00:19:12,960 --> 00:19:15,400 Speaker 3: we'll be expecting to see them in some championship games 417 00:19:15,440 --> 00:19:17,240 Speaker 3: as well. But just we wanted to give a congrats 418 00:19:17,240 --> 00:19:19,840 Speaker 3: here on FT because I know Chad hustles, hustles his 419 00:19:19,960 --> 00:19:20,440 Speaker 3: butt off. 420 00:19:21,119 --> 00:19:23,199 Speaker 4: Yeah, thanks, it means a lot to me. I'll tell you. 421 00:19:23,320 --> 00:19:27,000 Speaker 1: When he won the Director Recruiting of the Year award 422 00:19:27,040 --> 00:19:29,760 Speaker 1: in college football, he called me to make sure I 423 00:19:29,880 --> 00:19:32,199 Speaker 1: knew that he did at a younger age, and I 424 00:19:32,280 --> 00:19:33,800 Speaker 1: was executive of the ear and when he was an 425 00:19:33,800 --> 00:19:36,680 Speaker 1: am GM, he told me, I just want to remind 426 00:19:36,720 --> 00:19:38,760 Speaker 1: you I got there before you did, even though you 427 00:19:38,800 --> 00:19:41,240 Speaker 1: were the youngest in baseball history. I got there younger. 428 00:19:41,600 --> 00:19:44,920 Speaker 1: And then he reminded me yesterday that he's now being 429 00:19:44,960 --> 00:19:47,960 Speaker 1: paid more money than I've ever been paid. So, yes, 430 00:19:48,040 --> 00:19:50,280 Speaker 1: he's a lot of success at thirty years old. 431 00:19:50,280 --> 00:19:52,080 Speaker 4: I'm proud of him. He's done this on his own. 432 00:19:52,520 --> 00:19:53,320 Speaker 4: He's worked hard. 433 00:19:53,359 --> 00:19:56,040 Speaker 1: And the only thing I taught all my kids is 434 00:19:56,160 --> 00:19:58,280 Speaker 1: someone's going to be smarter, someone's gonna be better looking, 435 00:19:58,359 --> 00:20:00,840 Speaker 1: someone's gonna have more money, someone's gonna be more athletic. 436 00:20:00,840 --> 00:20:02,719 Speaker 1: But the end of the day, the one thing you 437 00:20:02,760 --> 00:20:05,640 Speaker 1: can do is you can outwork everybody, and you can 438 00:20:05,720 --> 00:20:08,440 Speaker 1: surround yourself with better people than they can. And if 439 00:20:08,440 --> 00:20:10,679 Speaker 1: you do both of those things, you will win. And 440 00:20:10,720 --> 00:20:13,119 Speaker 1: that's the advice I gave him, and that's the advice 441 00:20:13,160 --> 00:20:15,160 Speaker 1: that he's followed, and I'm glad it's worked for him. 442 00:20:15,400 --> 00:20:18,399 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I mean clearly, it's in the bloodlines. 443 00:20:18,320 --> 00:20:22,320 Speaker 2: No doubt, GM and dream come true for a father. 444 00:20:22,960 --> 00:20:24,959 Speaker 3: Which is kind of like pro football these days. So 445 00:20:25,119 --> 00:20:27,400 Speaker 3: JB awesome catching up with you. We'll get you again 446 00:20:27,440 --> 00:20:27,920 Speaker 3: next week. 447 00:20:28,480 --> 00:20:30,280 Speaker 4: Sounds good. Appreciate you. 448 00:20:30,440 --> 00:20:32,920 Speaker 3: Jim Boden on FT. That was good. 449 00:20:32,960 --> 00:20:33,719 Speaker 4: That was good stuff. 450 00:20:33,920 --> 00:20:35,439 Speaker 3: Obviously, I've been a big fan of boating for a 451 00:20:35,440 --> 00:20:39,159 Speaker 3: while because when you're a former general manager, you're often 452 00:20:39,240 --> 00:20:42,080 Speaker 3: looking for your next job. Back in JBS like nah, 453 00:20:42,119 --> 00:20:45,639 Speaker 3: I'm a media guy, and he brings it to you straight, 454 00:20:45,960 --> 00:20:48,040 Speaker 3: like that last answer with Krats. You're not going to 455 00:20:48,119 --> 00:20:51,000 Speaker 3: get that from really anybody else that worked in the 456 00:20:51,000 --> 00:20:53,600 Speaker 3: game that now is outside of the game, from a 457 00:20:53,640 --> 00:20:54,280 Speaker 3: front office. 458 00:20:54,320 --> 00:20:55,440 Speaker 4: So I respect. 459 00:20:56,640 --> 00:21:01,320 Speaker 5: Analyzing analyzing Boris stuff like, look, this is how Boris 460 00:21:01,359 --> 00:21:04,000 Speaker 5: wants to go when he's not breaking a record. Hey, 461 00:21:04,000 --> 00:21:06,600 Speaker 5: he wants to go to what he had offer. Hey, 462 00:21:06,720 --> 00:21:09,960 Speaker 5: when he has that offer, you know, so it's really 463 00:21:10,200 --> 00:21:13,520 Speaker 5: compartmentalized and really makes it simple instead of being like, 464 00:21:13,600 --> 00:21:18,160 Speaker 5: oh it's auspregnant. That again, three hundred million dollars. No relax, bro, 465 00:21:18,359 --> 00:21:19,720 Speaker 5: like this is what he wants. 466 00:21:20,560 --> 00:21:23,680 Speaker 3: H two more things here in our two minute left 467 00:21:23,720 --> 00:21:28,200 Speaker 3: to break one. We are inches away from seventy five 468 00:21:28,280 --> 00:21:32,200 Speaker 3: thousand subscribers on YouTube. That's a healthy number. Even though 469 00:21:32,760 --> 00:21:35,840 Speaker 3: you know who you are. There's still about double the 470 00:21:35,880 --> 00:21:39,919 Speaker 3: audience that's watching consistently, about one point fifty that hasn't 471 00:21:39,920 --> 00:21:41,920 Speaker 3: pressed one single button to show a f T love. 472 00:21:41,960 --> 00:21:44,000 Speaker 3: It's okay, it's okay, we're still nice. We still love 473 00:21:44,040 --> 00:21:46,720 Speaker 3: you delivering the content. But if you can press subscribe, 474 00:21:46,720 --> 00:21:49,080 Speaker 3: that'd be cool. And then lastly, we take you all 475 00:21:49,080 --> 00:21:53,920 Speaker 3: the way from the depths of inside Collusion to Libby 476 00:21:54,000 --> 00:21:58,159 Speaker 3: Dunn's TikTok of Paul Skian's living up to his I 477 00:21:58,240 --> 00:22:01,880 Speaker 3: cook Steaks reputation was about this past weekend in our 478 00:22:01,920 --> 00:22:06,040 Speaker 3: conversation with him. So there's Livy celebrating a very nice 479 00:22:06,080 --> 00:22:08,000 Speaker 3: steak dinner that is being put together by a very 480 00:22:08,080 --> 00:22:09,880 Speaker 3: large man who throws one hundred miles an hour. 481 00:22:10,000 --> 00:22:10,640 Speaker 4: So good job. 482 00:22:10,800 --> 00:22:12,640 Speaker 3: Just wanted to show show that a little. 483 00:22:12,440 --> 00:22:15,320 Speaker 2: Watch those fingers now that things careful? 484 00:22:15,359 --> 00:22:18,080 Speaker 3: Now, I feel like he's he's pretty precise. 485 00:22:18,200 --> 00:22:19,600 Speaker 4: No, without a doubt. It's that one. 486 00:22:20,000 --> 00:22:21,760 Speaker 2: It's that one where yeah, I'm cuting levy. 487 00:22:21,840 --> 00:22:22,280 Speaker 4: What's going? 488 00:22:22,480 --> 00:22:24,320 Speaker 2: Oh a finger? 489 00:22:24,359 --> 00:22:24,439 Speaker 5: Not? 490 00:22:24,600 --> 00:22:26,960 Speaker 3: Well, just be careful. What did you did you cook 491 00:22:27,720 --> 00:22:30,080 Speaker 3: when you were playing? Or you were and were you 492 00:22:30,119 --> 00:22:33,400 Speaker 3: ever just worried doing like everyday things. 493 00:22:33,680 --> 00:22:36,160 Speaker 2: I have a couple of things, A couple of things. Yeah, 494 00:22:36,200 --> 00:22:38,800 Speaker 2: I made I made a stupid decision one time by 495 00:22:38,880 --> 00:22:41,679 Speaker 2: using a knife. They cut open this plastic thing. I 496 00:22:41,720 --> 00:22:43,960 Speaker 2: get it. It literally took a piece of skin off 497 00:22:43,960 --> 00:22:45,159 Speaker 2: of me. I had to go to the hospital. It 498 00:22:45,160 --> 00:22:46,960 Speaker 2: was pretty bad. So it was like three weeks before 499 00:22:46,960 --> 00:22:49,600 Speaker 2: the season and I still lose feeling in the tip 500 00:22:49,640 --> 00:22:52,359 Speaker 2: of my which your finger, that's good. I don't remember 501 00:22:52,600 --> 00:22:55,359 Speaker 2: this one. This one middle right there metal and I'm like, 502 00:22:55,400 --> 00:22:58,000 Speaker 2: oh my god. My father in law was passed out. 503 00:22:58,000 --> 00:23:00,760 Speaker 2: He wasn't like blood. It was pretty it was pretty yucky. 504 00:23:00,880 --> 00:23:02,480 Speaker 3: That's why you don't give the middle fingers. 505 00:23:04,400 --> 00:23:05,760 Speaker 4: Just point you can't do it. 506 00:23:06,080 --> 00:23:07,920 Speaker 3: Why chrass real quick? Did you cook or not? 507 00:23:08,760 --> 00:23:09,000 Speaker 4: Yeah? 508 00:23:09,080 --> 00:23:09,800 Speaker 5: Of course I did it. 509 00:23:09,880 --> 00:23:12,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, Oh, he says it like he's better than everybody 510 00:23:12,640 --> 00:23:13,320 Speaker 2: else here we go 511 00:23:13,720 --> 00:23:17,440 Speaker 5: No, just better than you, old old nine finger Todd