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Speaker 1: Wind Down with Janet Kramer and I'm Heeart Radio podcast.

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Speaker 2: Well, I am excited about today's guest because he is

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Speaker 2: an acupuncturist. His name is doctor Alexander Azzati, and I

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Speaker 2: feel like acupuncture is one of those things where I

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Speaker 2: didn't know much about. And on this couch only one

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Speaker 2: person likes needles. The other person does not, and so

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Speaker 2: that's going to be an interest. Does it make you

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Speaker 2: squirm that we're even going to be talking about needles today?

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Speaker 1: Well, you get to witness me at the chiropractor. How

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Speaker 1: much where I wimp when Travis, one of the guyce

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Speaker 1: brings a needle out.

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Speaker 2: Yes, it's quite fascinating.

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Speaker 1: I think part of it is because I don't fully

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Speaker 1: understand that I don't really know. I think I'm in

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Speaker 1: the broad spectrum of people that don't really have heard

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Speaker 1: of acupuncture, and they've probably had it a few times

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Speaker 1: in their life, but they don't really know what that

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Speaker 1: little needle does when it pierces the skin and goes

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Speaker 1: into the muscle, and what are the real benefits of it.

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Speaker 1: Some people might know the benefits, but what actually happens,

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Speaker 1: like the chemical thing or the physiological thing happens when

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Speaker 1: that needle pierces the skin. That's what I'm intrigued on

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Speaker 1: Asterday's gest like what actually happens when it pierces the muscle?

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Speaker 1: What goes from there? But yeah, I don't like needles.

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Speaker 2: Have you always not like needles?

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Speaker 1: I mean, I don't think anyone likes needles, do they?

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Speaker 1: But you become when I played. I used to get

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Speaker 1: acupuncture sometimes, but injections all the time, So you become

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Speaker 1: used to the needles.

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Speaker 3: You get blood drawn every week and.

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Speaker 1: You get used to it, and then you become soft

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Speaker 1: when you get older.

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Speaker 2: But you're fine with the tattoo needle. Yeah, it's just

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Speaker 2: like the injection needle.

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Speaker 1: Actually, well, look at me when I do my stoster

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Speaker 1: on stuff that you used to have to do it

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Speaker 1: for me, and it.

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Speaker 2: Took thirty minutes for it to even like poke it in.

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Speaker 2: I'm like, oh, this is why women have babies, because

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Speaker 2: men could not handle IVF in those needles.

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Speaker 3: Then I got used to it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and then I caught myself doing it a few

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Speaker 1: nights ago.

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Speaker 2: How did you cut yourself?

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Speaker 1: Because I brought the needle out too quickly in it

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Speaker 1: caught the skin a lit work. Yeah, so you need

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Speaker 1: to go back to inject in my ass.

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Speaker 3: Bob.

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Speaker 2: I'm good because I got blamed for bruising your ass

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Speaker 2: the one time I did it, so I'm like, Okay,

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Speaker 2: that was not my fault. High Okay, well I'm not

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Speaker 2: going anywhere near your butt with a needle, so that's

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Speaker 2: going to be all you. But yeah, no, I definitely

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Speaker 2: think there's I did acupuncture the very first time to

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Speaker 2: try to relieve stress and anxiety gosh, back when I

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Speaker 2: was living in Los Angeles, and then I tried it

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Speaker 2: again when I was going through IVF with Jason, and

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Speaker 2: well IVF and then when I found out I was

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Speaker 2: pregnant with it didn't help with that IVF. But then

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Speaker 2: when I got pregnant with Jase, I saw the same woman,

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Speaker 2: and you know it was I ended up growing to

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Speaker 2: love it. I didn't like it in the beginning. I

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Speaker 2: remember I'd go from like only being able to have

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Speaker 2: stay still and that piece I just don't love staying still,

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Speaker 2: And then when I would look and I would see

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Speaker 2: all the needles on me, it would just freak me out.

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Speaker 2: So but then I started to really enjoy it and

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Speaker 2: then I stopped obviously once I had Jase. But now

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Speaker 2: I do the dry needling, which is just quite painful,

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Speaker 2: but dry needling between they jam it in and he

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Speaker 2: wiggles it around as supposed to like acupunctures, a little

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Speaker 2: bit more chill, and they just slightly prick you. He doesn't.

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Speaker 2: They don't jam it in, and that's called dry needling.

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Speaker 2: Where they live really jam it in and wiggle it around.

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Speaker 2: It's not fun, but it's supposed to help with inflammation

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Speaker 2: and all those things. So I will do anything to

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Speaker 2: help the back at the moment. But with acupuncture, I'm like, man,

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Speaker 1: See if people don't have to get it and like

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Speaker 1: the eels in the tempoo and mm hmm.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, because I don't remember where the pressure points for

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Speaker 2: anxiety are, so I'm gonna have to. So I'd like

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Speaker 2: to go back to that and find finding someone that

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Speaker 2: why people do acupuncture is for anxiety. But I just

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Speaker 2: remember that first time, being in Los Angeles, the guy

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Speaker 2: speaking no English, hardly at all, and I'm like, get

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Speaker 2: them off of me like I did not like, I

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Speaker 2: did not like to just lay there because then you

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Speaker 2: move and then you can feel it. But besides that,

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Speaker 2: I love, I don't mind. I don't I don't love

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Speaker 2: getting IV's, but I don't mind anyways, moving on.

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Speaker 3: I'm going quiet because I'm thinking of it needs.

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Speaker 1: Okay, I tell you what. Who won the pole from

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Speaker 1: last last week's poll on the the Dirvy? The sheet

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Speaker 1: underneath the Dirvy? You put a pole out on social media,

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Speaker 1: and who thinks it's use listen?

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Speaker 3: Who doesn't?

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Speaker 2: To be quite honest with you, I didn't relook, but

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Speaker 2: a lot of people called you a sociopath for not

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Speaker 2: wanting that second sheet.

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Speaker 1: I'd seen the poll and I won, Okay, fifty three

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Speaker 1: to forty seven.

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Speaker 2: I do see why those people. Now, I understand the

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Speaker 2: whole thing. It's like if you don't wash the douvet

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Speaker 2: like I don't wash the kids sheets on the top,

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Speaker 2: like I don't wash their doubt covers a lot, hardly

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Speaker 2: at all, ever, So like that's why they always sleep

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Speaker 2: under the sheet.

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Speaker 1: So sociopath, I'm not liking a sheet underneath.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, remember I sent you the text message listener dm

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Speaker 2: me and said that and so I screenshoted and sent

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Speaker 2: it to you. But anyways, extreme from that path. Well,

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Speaker 2: let's take a break and then talk more needles with

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Speaker 2: doctor Alexander Izzati.

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Speaker 4: Hello, Hi there, how are you good? Thank you?

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Speaker 1: How are you good?

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Speaker 4: Thank you? Thank you for having me, of.

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Speaker 2: Course, thank you for coming on. We were just talking

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Speaker 2: about acupuncture, I will, and I was, actually, I don't

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Speaker 2: really truly know the difference. But I got acupuncture a

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Speaker 2: long time ago for anxiety, but the the needles gave

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Speaker 2: me more anxiety. So I lasted like five minutes, and

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Speaker 2: I was like, I can't do this, And then I

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Speaker 2: and I think this is the polar opposite. But what

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Speaker 2: is the difference between acupuncture and dry needling? Because I'm

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Speaker 2: I I have, like, I pulled my back pretty bad,

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Speaker 2: so I've got this guy like dry needling my back,

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Speaker 2: and I'm like, is that a piece of acupuncture or no.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's a really good question that seems to be

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Speaker 4: coming up more and more. Acupuncture or dry needling is

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Speaker 4: just the form of acupuncture. So with with traditional acupuncture,

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Speaker 4: you're going to be able to treat more internal issues

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Speaker 4: like you mentioned IVF, or if something else is going

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Speaker 4: in inside, like respiratory issues, digestive issues, all these internal stuff.

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Speaker 4: Traditional acupuncture is going to target a little bit more

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Speaker 4: with dry needling. It's more of a musculo skeletal issue

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Speaker 4: or you know, when an athlete gets injured. It's just

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Speaker 4: a form of acupuncture that is directed towards injuries or

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Speaker 4: muscular skeletal issues. But acupuncture is really an umbrella and

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Speaker 4: there's so many things under that umbrella that we can treat.

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Speaker 4: You're not going to use dry needling for someone that's

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Speaker 4: coming in for like skin issues, right, You're going to

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Speaker 4: use a different style. You're gonna use herbs. You're going

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Speaker 4: that they put on their skin and really make it

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Speaker 4: like a holistic type of treatment and vice versa. You're

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Speaker 4: you're not going to use that type of vacuuf I'd

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Speaker 4: sure for someone who's coming in that strained a.

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Speaker 2: Handstring, right, right, So what areas like if I was

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Speaker 2: to go back, okay, to target anxiety. Where would you

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Speaker 2: entire body or is there certain areas.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's a good question. It's not a one size

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Speaker 4: what it's doing to the body, which gears the practitioner

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Speaker 2: Does it do, like, how is it actually helping anxiety?

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Speaker 4: So so many different ways. I mean to keep it

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Speaker 4: simple for the podcast here, it really focuses on circulation, okay.

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Speaker 4: So essentially what we're doing is helping the movement of oxygen,

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Speaker 4: that helps calm and regulate the body, essentially giving that

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Speaker 1: So I always try and go from a sport perspective.

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Speaker 1: So can you I think, on like a broad spectrum scale,

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Speaker 1: people are just not educated enough on acupuncture. I mean

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Speaker 1: whole life, and I don't know enough about acupuncture. Can

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Speaker 1: you explain, like strip it down to the basics for

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Speaker 1: people listening and also for us. But when that needle

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Speaker 3: We both get sore. Back to at the moment.

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Speaker 1: When that needle goes pierces, the scanning goes into the muscle,

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Speaker 3: Yeah, what's the chemical?

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Speaker 1: What is the reaction that provokes the treatment of dry

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Speaker 3: What actually happens?

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Speaker 4: You know? I wish we had some images. I'm sure

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Speaker 4: we can actually google some images. But there are heat

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Speaker 4: censored or infrared images that have been taken when an

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Speaker 4: treat that specific injury, the inflammation goes down, So they'll

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Speaker 4: And again it goes back to what I mentioned about circulation.

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Speaker 4: It really focuses on moving blood and oxygen through that

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Speaker 4: bring nutrients, it's going to bring oxygen to help repair

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Speaker 4: get fresh blood moving through that area, your rehab time

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Speaker 4: might go from you know, three weeks or a month

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Speaker 2: How do you help people get past the anxiety of

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Speaker 2: the needles to even to have the treatment.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, one thing I really want to drive

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Speaker 2: What would be one thing you'd want to debunk for

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Speaker 4: Debunk that it's a hoax. You know, you hear that

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Speaker 2: What would those herbs be if someone pulled their back

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Speaker 2: Sun Shao ya son. I've never heard of that, and

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Convert, well, thank you so much for coming on.

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Speaker 2: I definitely it's give and me now the push to

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Speaker 4: Right yeah, yeah, and Los Angeles, California. Unfortunately, I don't

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Speaker 2: You're sweet, thank you, And then where's your practice.

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Speaker 4: We're in Encino in Sino in California, about i'd say

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Speaker 2: Yep, and that's called balance within.

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Speaker 4: Balance within integrated acupuncture.

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Speaker 2: I love it. Well, thank you so much. If you're

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Speaker 2: you so much for coming on.

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Speaker 3: Nice.

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Speaker 4: Appreciate you guys, Thank you, thank you. Likewise, take care