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Speaker 1: Are you a cave dweller? I have been caving, and

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Speaker 1: luckily I went caving before I did this podcast on

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Speaker 1: how cave dwellers work from February, because I gotta tell you,

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Speaker 1: if I had done this podcast first, I probably would

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Speaker 1: not have ventured into that cave. Very scary stuff down there.

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Speaker 1: Everyone check it out and be aware. Welcome to stuff

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Speaker 1: you should know. A production of I Heart Radio. Hey,

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Speaker 1: and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh Clark, and there's

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Speaker 1: chills to Chuck Bryant and Jerry's over there, so it's

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Speaker 1: stuff you should know. Wow, it's the same energetic edition

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Speaker 1: a little bit. Yeah, yeah, it's cold. I'm energized by

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Speaker 1: the cold, energized and like just a little Yeah, so

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Speaker 1: you're not energized, that is what we're saying. I'm a

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Speaker 1: little innersized. I feel like I'm I'm fine. Right. Why

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Speaker 1: do you say that because he's sound like you're sleepwalking.

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Speaker 1: Oh really? Yeah? Oh I thought I was just speaking fast.

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Speaker 1: Oh no, no, I thought that's why you're being sarcastic.

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry to everybody who's sitting through this right now.

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Speaker 1: So I'm down in the dumps. You are right, Yeah, no,

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Speaker 1: I'm fine, okay, I'm just it's the cold. It's a

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Speaker 1: little dreary outside of Today's the day it finally started

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Speaker 1: to get to me. So you're ready for spring? Yes, Um,

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Speaker 1: Emily is ready for spring. I'm like, it's you know,

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Speaker 1: we could have spring in a few weeks. It's true.

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Speaker 1: We kind of had it yesterday. Um. You mean. And

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Speaker 1: I have been making these little bird feeders, like with

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Speaker 1: them so that the birds can like land on them there,

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Speaker 1: so I incorporate twigs and these things. They can spend

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Speaker 1: a little time there. Yeah. And there's this, um, a

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Speaker 1: cake holders for birds, but it's really a squirrel feeder. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and they eat it in like a day. Yeah. This

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Speaker 1: all right, Cave Dwelling. I can't remember I've I've asked

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Speaker 1: um since I asked you, because you hadn't. A Cave

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Speaker 1: of Forgotten Dreams by Werner Herzel. No I watched, well,

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Speaker 1: I watched like twenty minutes of it this morning just

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Speaker 1: yeah you should. It's neat. The whole thing's neat from

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Speaker 1: think maybe a two hour long documentary. Yeah, on a cave. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: In the cave art, it's phenomenal. Yeah, I know the

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Speaker 1: Last Go, which is great, but this one, to me,

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Speaker 1: the art is better. Well, Alasco gets lord pressed because

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Speaker 1: it was discovered in nineteen forty, this one that weren't

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Speaker 1: It's amazing, Yeah, it is, and it's all spectacularly preserved.

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Speaker 1: One of the benefits of discovering lastco in nineteen forty

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Speaker 1: was that when Chauves Cave, the one that was discovered

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Speaker 1: how to preserve it right, right, so we could go

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Speaker 1: in there and sort of TCB. Yeah, you need to

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Speaker 1: out herzog in there. Yeah. Um, you need to cut

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Speaker 1: gonna and we've covered this is I think our third Yeah,

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Speaker 1: can't cave anything? No, not really, Nick Cave. Maybe we

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Speaker 1: it's basically and lead to surpluses. So people fared over surplus.

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Speaker 1: That'd be good. Well, that would be good. But there

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Speaker 1: everybody gets along with Ron Livingston. He's from office space, right, yeah,

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Speaker 1: But once that dark zone begins, there's no light, like

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Speaker 1: a trilobite. It was one of the earliest, like footed animals.

420
00:24:44,640 --> 00:24:47,679
Speaker 1: Scary looking really, but that's what I always get the

421
00:24:47,720 --> 00:24:51,760
Speaker 1: too confused chocolate. It means cave dweller, literally someone who

422
00:24:51,800 --> 00:24:55,040
Speaker 1: lives in a hole or cave named after There are

423
00:24:55,040 --> 00:24:57,480
Speaker 1: apparently some West African tribes that the Greeks came in

424
00:24:57,520 --> 00:25:01,439
Speaker 1: contact with, and they lived in cliff caves, and they

425
00:25:01,480 --> 00:25:05,199
Speaker 1: were called trogold eye, t r trougled diet. Well, it's

426
00:25:05,200 --> 00:25:07,439
Speaker 1: a nice insult you can throw around these days and

427
00:25:07,480 --> 00:25:10,480
Speaker 1: sounds sort of intelligent. Instead of calling someone like a

428
00:25:10,560 --> 00:25:15,400
Speaker 1: d bag, he'd say he's a trocolodyte. Yeah, you know, yeah,

429
00:25:15,440 --> 00:25:17,679
Speaker 1: and one got Jerry. Two man, you guys are on

430
00:25:17,720 --> 00:25:45,639
Speaker 1: the same wave like today, I guess so shot, so

431
00:25:45,720 --> 00:25:49,400
Speaker 1: I guess we can fast forward down to the present day. Yes,

432
00:25:49,880 --> 00:25:52,359
Speaker 1: well modern, let's not quite go into present day. I

433
00:25:52,400 --> 00:25:53,919
Speaker 1: think we need to give a shout out to the

434
00:25:53,920 --> 00:25:59,520
Speaker 1: Anasazeing and the Pueblos word cliff dwelling people's from the

435
00:25:59,560 --> 00:26:04,600
Speaker 1: twelfth century ish of the southwestern United States who basically

436
00:26:04,720 --> 00:26:08,280
Speaker 1: showed up and started carving into cliff faces, carving out

437
00:26:08,359 --> 00:26:11,480
Speaker 1: caves and lived there. They built their own caves. Yeah,

438
00:26:11,520 --> 00:26:13,840
Speaker 1: you should see some of these. Look up, like, just

439
00:26:13,920 --> 00:26:17,160
Speaker 1: look up cliff dwellers US and you'll see some really

440
00:26:17,200 --> 00:26:20,720
Speaker 1: neat They had, like whole cities like carved out into

441
00:26:20,720 --> 00:26:25,320
Speaker 1: these these cliff faces that you could only reach by ladders.

442
00:26:25,400 --> 00:26:28,160
Speaker 1: That sounds really dangerous it was, but it was also

443
00:26:28,320 --> 00:26:31,680
Speaker 1: very well defended and sertified. Yeah, because people just be like,

444
00:26:31,720 --> 00:26:33,640
Speaker 1: I'm not going up there. Ify those guys. Yeah, I'm

445
00:26:33,640 --> 00:26:37,960
Speaker 1: not climbing that ladder. It's crazy. Um. Can we talk

446
00:26:37,960 --> 00:26:41,040
Speaker 1: about Mountain Mountain Hebron Are we there yet? Yeah? Okay, Uh,

447
00:26:41,080 --> 00:26:43,400
Speaker 1: that's in the West Bank in the Middle East, and

448
00:26:44,359 --> 00:26:47,240
Speaker 1: a lot of clan of Palestinians live in this network

449
00:26:47,280 --> 00:26:49,320
Speaker 1: of caves that have been around for about a hundred

450
00:26:49,520 --> 00:26:54,760
Speaker 1: years that their forefathers built and uh, but of course,

451
00:26:54,800 --> 00:26:59,720
Speaker 1: because it's in the West Bank, there's UH some disagreement

452
00:27:00,119 --> 00:27:02,919
Speaker 1: over who should be there. Of course, it's been claimed

453
00:27:02,960 --> 00:27:06,560
Speaker 1: by Israeli settlers as well, and the army has threatened

454
00:27:06,600 --> 00:27:09,080
Speaker 1: to remove the people. I don't know what the current

455
00:27:09,080 --> 00:27:11,400
Speaker 1: state is. I looked it up, I couldn't find it.

456
00:27:11,800 --> 00:27:14,560
Speaker 1: Last I saw was that they basically designated it a

457
00:27:14,640 --> 00:27:19,000
Speaker 1: militarized zone, which meant that the Palestinians living there needed

458
00:27:19,040 --> 00:27:21,040
Speaker 1: to leave. But are they still in there? I don't

459
00:27:21,040 --> 00:27:22,760
Speaker 1: know that. The most recent thing I can find from

460
00:27:22,760 --> 00:27:27,240
Speaker 1: two thousand five, so I don't know alright, Well, southern Spain,

461
00:27:27,280 --> 00:27:30,119
Speaker 1: was that what you were talking about. I don't know

462
00:27:30,119 --> 00:27:33,600
Speaker 1: if Faltemyer's in southern Spain, but there's it's definitely in Spain.

463
00:27:33,800 --> 00:27:38,160
Speaker 1: But there are like a natural cliff or cave dwellings

464
00:27:38,200 --> 00:27:41,600
Speaker 1: that were carved out into even further cave dwellings in

465
00:27:41,680 --> 00:27:47,000
Speaker 1: Spain and um have basically been continuously inhabited at one

466
00:27:47,000 --> 00:27:50,760
Speaker 1: time or another. Now there's a large homeless population there apparently, right.

467
00:27:51,680 --> 00:27:54,920
Speaker 1: I mean, Spain's got like unemployment. I'm sure that the

468
00:27:55,040 --> 00:28:02,199
Speaker 1: cave dwelling populations increased proportionately. Uh, Cappaduct. Cappadocia uh in

469
00:28:02,240 --> 00:28:06,159
Speaker 1: Turkey has an elaborate cave system and it's not a

470
00:28:06,280 --> 00:28:09,160
Speaker 1: very friendly place. There's not a lot of vegetation that's

471
00:28:09,200 --> 00:28:14,560
Speaker 1: been described as lunar and yeah, it's amazing, it's really amazing.

472
00:28:14,600 --> 00:28:17,320
Speaker 1: Just the natural landscape itself is amazing. And then if

473
00:28:17,359 --> 00:28:19,719
Speaker 1: you look closely, you're like, oh, those pock marks are

474
00:28:20,600 --> 00:28:23,840
Speaker 1: caves like homes. Yeah, and these were man made. These

475
00:28:23,840 --> 00:28:28,320
Speaker 1: were carved out for people to live in, which is um.

476
00:28:28,359 --> 00:28:29,919
Speaker 1: I guess we didn't even say. I guess that's the

477
00:28:29,960 --> 00:28:32,280
Speaker 1: other type of cave. You neither find one or you

478
00:28:32,320 --> 00:28:34,440
Speaker 1: can make one. But yeah, and by making one, I

479
00:28:34,520 --> 00:28:37,240
Speaker 1: think anytime you kind of enhance or extend a natural

480
00:28:37,400 --> 00:28:40,160
Speaker 1: cave to that's that was account. I would guess that'd

481
00:28:40,200 --> 00:28:43,200
Speaker 1: be man made too. Yeah, probably so. But the in

482
00:28:43,240 --> 00:28:47,840
Speaker 1: Cappadocia in Turkey um anchor rights, which were early Christians

483
00:28:47,840 --> 00:28:54,280
Speaker 1: who were your hermits. Yeah. Um, they inhabited these caves

484
00:28:54,280 --> 00:28:56,320
Speaker 1: and and made the first dwellings. And then when the

485
00:28:56,400 --> 00:29:00,440
Speaker 1: Christians were persecuted, they were joined by a lot more people. Yeah,

486
00:29:00,720 --> 00:29:05,320
Speaker 1: and they actually built um underground churches that became an

487
00:29:05,400 --> 00:29:09,240
Speaker 1: underground city have you seen these pictures? Oh, they're amazing,

488
00:29:09,440 --> 00:29:11,760
Speaker 1: just the masonry and the artwork that they made of

489
00:29:12,120 --> 00:29:15,560
Speaker 1: just hewn from the rock. That's still intact today. And

490
00:29:15,600 --> 00:29:18,120
Speaker 1: apparently it was abandoned and then forgotten for a while

491
00:29:18,480 --> 00:29:21,360
Speaker 1: and then rediscovered. Not but that was pretty neat to find. Well,

492
00:29:21,400 --> 00:29:24,200
Speaker 1: I got another documentary for you, UM, like no place

493
00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:26,680
Speaker 1: on earth have you seen that one? Uh? There was

494
00:29:26,680 --> 00:29:30,360
Speaker 1: a guy a caver that UM was exploring this cave

495
00:29:30,400 --> 00:29:34,040
Speaker 1: in the Ukraine and he found like shoes and medicine

496
00:29:34,080 --> 00:29:36,800
Speaker 1: bottles and things, and he was like, wait a minute,

497
00:29:36,840 --> 00:29:40,200
Speaker 1: this isn't like paleolithic at all. This looks like it

498
00:29:40,240 --> 00:29:43,200
Speaker 1: was from the nineteen forties. And it was. And it

499
00:29:43,240 --> 00:29:48,719
Speaker 1: turns out there was um thirty eighth members of different

500
00:29:48,840 --> 00:29:53,240
Speaker 1: Jewish families hid in this cave during the Holocaust for

501
00:29:54,440 --> 00:29:57,960
Speaker 1: h five hundred and eleven days. They lived underground for

502
00:29:58,200 --> 00:30:01,040
Speaker 1: over a year and a half. And and uh, some

503
00:30:01,080 --> 00:30:03,560
Speaker 1: of these people are still alive and they found them.

504
00:30:03,880 --> 00:30:06,120
Speaker 1: They still live in the caves. No, no, no, no,

505
00:30:06,200 --> 00:30:07,400
Speaker 1: they lived there for a year and a half. I

506
00:30:07,440 --> 00:30:10,640
Speaker 1: got you in the Holocaust, Um, but there they had

507
00:30:10,720 --> 00:30:12,600
Speaker 1: never told their story. They just like kept it a secret.

508
00:30:13,080 --> 00:30:15,080
Speaker 1: Because they were like, no one would believe it. Plus

509
00:30:15,120 --> 00:30:16,920
Speaker 1: also in case they ever needed to go back to

510
00:30:16,960 --> 00:30:18,760
Speaker 1: the caves, Well they did go back. They took him

511
00:30:18,800 --> 00:30:20,320
Speaker 1: back to the caves. No, I'm saying if they ever

512
00:30:20,360 --> 00:30:22,240
Speaker 1: had to go back to the cave, like you want

513
00:30:22,280 --> 00:30:24,760
Speaker 1: to keep the cave secret because they weren't the first time,

514
00:30:24,800 --> 00:30:27,680
Speaker 1: you know, but um, it's pretty powerful. And they take

515
00:30:27,720 --> 00:30:29,520
Speaker 1: some of these survivors back to this cave or they

516
00:30:29,520 --> 00:30:34,360
Speaker 1: haven't been since the Holocaust and they all survived to um,

517
00:30:34,400 --> 00:30:37,320
Speaker 1: really really great documentary. That's cool. Yeah, very cool, like

518
00:30:37,360 --> 00:30:40,920
Speaker 1: no place selves, like like no place on Earth or

519
00:30:41,000 --> 00:30:46,800
Speaker 1: like no place selse Um. There's also apparently a trend

520
00:30:47,120 --> 00:30:50,560
Speaker 1: in parts of Europe to buy old man made cave

521
00:30:50,640 --> 00:30:53,920
Speaker 1: homes and dress him up. I saw this and I

522
00:30:53,960 --> 00:30:56,400
Speaker 1: was like, really, I didn't double check, but I could

523
00:30:56,400 --> 00:30:58,880
Speaker 1: see this. Yeah, I mean this is a grabster. So's

524
00:30:58,960 --> 00:31:03,160
Speaker 1: he's good on his facts. Outfitting them with electricity, um,

525
00:31:03,200 --> 00:31:08,360
Speaker 1: installing modern plumbing, uh, getting the ventilation system going, and

526
00:31:08,440 --> 00:31:12,160
Speaker 1: just turning it into a vacation home. Yeah, putting down

527
00:31:12,160 --> 00:31:17,680
Speaker 1: tile floor and there's always the cave home weirdos. Yeah. Well,

528
00:31:17,680 --> 00:31:20,480
Speaker 1: I mean, if you're seen the show TV, like you know,

529
00:31:20,560 --> 00:31:24,520
Speaker 1: bizarre houses. If you're a green person, yeah, you could

530
00:31:24,560 --> 00:31:26,720
Speaker 1: do a lot worse than build yourself a cave home

531
00:31:26,760 --> 00:31:29,840
Speaker 1: because the environmental impact is so much lower. It requires

532
00:31:30,280 --> 00:31:33,920
Speaker 1: much fewer building materials. Um. If you can deal with

533
00:31:34,280 --> 00:31:37,920
Speaker 1: very low natural light and not go crazy, then a

534
00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:40,000
Speaker 1: cave might be suited for you. If you can deal

535
00:31:40,040 --> 00:31:43,320
Speaker 1: with the damp and moisture, cave might be suited for you. Yeah.

536
00:31:43,360 --> 00:31:46,080
Speaker 1: And I shouldn't have said weirdos to eat the throne.

537
00:31:46,120 --> 00:31:49,560
Speaker 1: But anytime I see those shows of like extreme bizarre homes,

538
00:31:50,320 --> 00:31:52,400
Speaker 1: you just shoot the TV. This guy made a house

539
00:31:52,440 --> 00:31:57,080
Speaker 1: out of like Bob Goolay was on it. Yeah, pretty much. Um,

540
00:31:57,360 --> 00:31:58,960
Speaker 1: I've never been in like there was a cave house

541
00:31:59,040 --> 00:32:02,800
Speaker 1: near us growing up. Actually that really Yeah. It was

542
00:32:02,840 --> 00:32:04,600
Speaker 1: like you know, it was when they built into the

543
00:32:04,640 --> 00:32:08,560
Speaker 1: side of you know Earth where in Stone Mountain is

544
00:32:08,600 --> 00:32:11,160
Speaker 1: it's still there, I assume, so is it built into

545
00:32:11,200 --> 00:32:14,080
Speaker 1: Stone Mountain? No? No, no, no, um. And it was

546
00:32:14,120 --> 00:32:16,080
Speaker 1: like kind of the people would go by there and

547
00:32:16,120 --> 00:32:17,640
Speaker 1: look at it and stuff. And I, even as a kid,

548
00:32:17,760 --> 00:32:19,840
Speaker 1: I thought it was kind of dumb. Did you ever

549
00:32:19,880 --> 00:32:23,800
Speaker 1: know Jack McBrier when you were younger Kenneth from UM

550
00:32:24,000 --> 00:32:28,280
Speaker 1: thirty Rock. He's from Stone Mountain Conyers. Oh really yeah,

551
00:32:28,440 --> 00:32:32,360
Speaker 1: in the show he's from Stone Mountain. UM. One of

552
00:32:32,360 --> 00:32:34,120
Speaker 1: the other writers for thirty Rock, though I can't remember

553
00:32:34,120 --> 00:32:36,200
Speaker 1: his name, is is I think what you read in

554
00:32:36,520 --> 00:32:40,080
Speaker 1: is that right? But no, Hun didn't? No Jack Prayer?

555
00:32:42,680 --> 00:32:46,880
Speaker 1: Uh you got anything else? Oh? Yeah? The last thing.

556
00:32:47,240 --> 00:32:50,840
Speaker 1: One of the other benefits of um cave home it's

557
00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:54,920
Speaker 1: very difficult to break into, which is sad because that

558
00:32:55,120 --> 00:32:57,680
Speaker 1: is not the reason why they were initially used in

559
00:32:57,680 --> 00:33:01,080
Speaker 1: the Paleolithic Carrott. But it's a it's a quality point,

560
00:33:01,120 --> 00:33:05,200
Speaker 1: now that's true. How far god, where was it that

561
00:33:05,240 --> 00:33:09,240
Speaker 1: guy that built a house underground? No, I've seen those before.

562
00:33:09,280 --> 00:33:12,160
Speaker 1: I've seen like missile silos converted into homes and things

563
00:33:12,200 --> 00:33:14,640
Speaker 1: like that. This one was for sale recently. I can't

564
00:33:14,640 --> 00:33:17,280
Speaker 1: remember who sent it to me, but he basically built

565
00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:21,320
Speaker 1: It's not like a weird, you know, silo house. It's

566
00:33:21,320 --> 00:33:24,520
Speaker 1: like a home. He just built underground. Like when you

567
00:33:24,560 --> 00:33:27,600
Speaker 1: go down there. He's got paintings of the outside world

568
00:33:27,760 --> 00:33:30,040
Speaker 1: on all the walls. It was this rich guy who

569
00:33:30,040 --> 00:33:32,800
Speaker 1: built it. I think as a like a shelter in

570
00:33:32,800 --> 00:33:35,560
Speaker 1: case something bad. Happened. And so you know there's pictures

571
00:33:35,560 --> 00:33:38,320
Speaker 1: of like rolling fields and when you're underground, I mean,

572
00:33:38,360 --> 00:33:40,320
Speaker 1: obviously you can tell it's a painting, but it doesn't

573
00:33:40,360 --> 00:33:42,440
Speaker 1: feel like some cave. It's like just a regular house

574
00:33:42,840 --> 00:33:45,440
Speaker 1: built underground. Well, there's a theory that we're going to

575
00:33:45,560 --> 00:33:49,080
Speaker 1: end up living underground because eventually arable crop lay and

576
00:33:49,120 --> 00:33:53,240
Speaker 1: will become so valuable that we will, uh, we'll all

577
00:33:52,920 --> 00:33:57,040
Speaker 1: have will basically be forced to inhabit the opposite of

578
00:33:57,120 --> 00:34:01,000
Speaker 1: sky scrapers. They will be going downs of up because

579
00:34:01,000 --> 00:34:04,920
Speaker 1: we'll need the land up on top for crops. Didn't

580
00:34:04,920 --> 00:34:08,319
Speaker 1: we do one on why why don't humans live underground? Yeah?

581
00:34:08,640 --> 00:34:11,200
Speaker 1: I guess I could be part four? Then I guess

582
00:34:11,200 --> 00:34:13,640
Speaker 1: so it's not really a cave. Yeah, that's true. You

583
00:34:13,719 --> 00:34:18,839
Speaker 1: know this is the cave suite. All right, So let's

584
00:34:18,840 --> 00:34:20,879
Speaker 1: see you don't have anything else. I got nothing else.

585
00:34:21,239 --> 00:34:24,400
Speaker 1: If you want to learn more about cave dwellers, you

586
00:34:24,440 --> 00:34:26,600
Speaker 1: can type cave dwellers into the search part how stuff

587
00:34:26,600 --> 00:34:28,480
Speaker 1: works dot Com. And I said search parts means it's

588
00:34:28,480 --> 00:34:33,359
Speaker 1: time for listener mail. I'm gonna call this. We keep

589
00:34:33,360 --> 00:34:37,440
Speaker 1: making the same mistake with acceleration. Oh yeah, and I'm

590
00:34:37,440 --> 00:34:39,200
Speaker 1: tired of it. If we ever say this again, I'm

591
00:34:39,239 --> 00:34:41,319
Speaker 1: gonna like put us both in time out. Do you

592
00:34:41,400 --> 00:34:44,360
Speaker 1: think Jerry would be paying attention? But I don't know

593
00:34:44,360 --> 00:34:46,160
Speaker 1: why we keep making this mistake. But in the Solar

594
00:34:46,160 --> 00:34:49,560
Speaker 1: Sales episode, we talked about the fact I think it

595
00:34:49,640 --> 00:34:52,080
Speaker 1: was you this time said something about the acceleration will

596
00:34:52,120 --> 00:34:55,080
Speaker 1: kill you, or the speed will kill you, or something

597
00:34:55,120 --> 00:34:57,400
Speaker 1: going that fast. Yeah, I'm sure it was me. We

598
00:34:57,440 --> 00:34:59,239
Speaker 1: got a lot of emails and this was one of

599
00:34:59,239 --> 00:35:01,520
Speaker 1: the nicer ones. Heads up guys on a few things,

600
00:35:01,560 --> 00:35:05,040
Speaker 1: including on the Solar sales. There's been some misunderstanding between

601
00:35:05,080 --> 00:35:07,799
Speaker 1: speed and acceleration. Common belief is it traveling at high

602
00:35:07,800 --> 00:35:10,560
Speaker 1: speeds is taxing on the body. Not true. It is

603
00:35:10,560 --> 00:35:13,640
Speaker 1: the acceleration and not the speed, which is dangerous. Take

604
00:35:13,719 --> 00:35:16,719
Speaker 1: as an example, traveling in a car. Changing your velocity

605
00:35:16,760 --> 00:35:19,600
Speaker 1: from zero to a hundred kilometers per hour a very

606
00:35:19,600 --> 00:35:22,480
Speaker 1: short time results in a large acceleration. This is where

607
00:35:22,480 --> 00:35:24,439
Speaker 1: you get that feeling of being crushed into your seat.

608
00:35:24,880 --> 00:35:27,320
Speaker 1: But once you keep that constant speed, that feeling goes away.

609
00:35:27,520 --> 00:35:30,400
Speaker 1: The same thing for a plane. Notice when you accelerate

610
00:35:30,400 --> 00:35:32,600
Speaker 1: on the tarmac, it's pretty intense, but once you're up

611
00:35:32,600 --> 00:35:35,000
Speaker 1: in the air, you barely feel a thing. Yeah, you

612
00:35:35,120 --> 00:35:37,360
Speaker 1: think we'd know this. I mean, we've done sorts of

613
00:35:37,400 --> 00:35:41,480
Speaker 1: research on the rockets led an acceleration, and it's just

614
00:35:41,560 --> 00:35:44,879
Speaker 1: misspeaking in the moment. We know this. Oh, if I'm

615
00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:48,600
Speaker 1: interrupt for a second. I ran across this designer's euthanasia

616
00:35:48,680 --> 00:35:53,000
Speaker 1: roller coaster. What um? It was basically this guy design

617
00:35:53,160 --> 00:35:56,239
Speaker 1: It's all conceptual, obviously a slightly tongue in cheek, but

618
00:35:56,640 --> 00:35:59,400
Speaker 1: it was designed to kill you, like the roller coaster

619
00:35:59,480 --> 00:36:03,120
Speaker 1: was designed and to go out with a thrill. Yeah,

620
00:36:03,120 --> 00:36:06,440
Speaker 1: and he he describes like what like at what point

621
00:36:06,960 --> 00:36:10,239
Speaker 1: you will die and from what Basically it's like you

622
00:36:10,320 --> 00:36:14,239
Speaker 1: are going upside down so fast. The acceleration is so

623
00:36:14,360 --> 00:36:19,360
Speaker 1: great that it basically like keeps your heart from pumping. Wow. Um,

624
00:36:19,480 --> 00:36:21,759
Speaker 1: and just to make sure you're dead. He added like

625
00:36:21,920 --> 00:36:25,239
Speaker 1: six of those loops. But it starts with this huge hill.

626
00:36:25,320 --> 00:36:26,880
Speaker 1: I can't remember what it's called. I think if you

627
00:36:26,880 --> 00:36:29,720
Speaker 1: look up youthan Asia roller coaster, this this guy's design

628
00:36:29,760 --> 00:36:32,759
Speaker 1: will come up. It's pretty interesting, interesting, but it would

629
00:36:32,760 --> 00:36:36,120
Speaker 1: be from acceleration, not speed. Wow, that's a lot of

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Speaker 1: work to put into a killing machine. I would just

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Speaker 1: draw a length of rope and a sturdy beam. You know, Um,

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Speaker 1: you wouldn't be a successful designer, probably so. Uh So.

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Speaker 1: Then he puts it in the context of the solar

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Speaker 1: sale um and says only very small accelerations are involved,

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Speaker 1: so human traveling in such a ship would experience minimal forces.

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Speaker 1: So I hope it clears it up a little bit.

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Speaker 1: Definitely rocking guys, Thanks a lot. That is from knee

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Speaker 1: RAJ from Australia slash Mauritius ni Raj. Thank you if

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Speaker 1: you appreciate that. We will never make that mistake again.

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Speaker 1: I disagree. I'm sure we will. Speed'll kill you. Where's

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Speaker 1: Northern Ireland, Great Britain, UK England? We've been getting that

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Speaker 1: one wrong forever too. Yeah. You know, there's only so

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Speaker 1: much information a human brain can hold, everybody, and we're

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Speaker 1: trying to fill it with things like cave dwelling backs

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Speaker 1: and stuff like that. Yeah. Who was the bass player

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Speaker 1: for Poison? I can't get rid of that, do you

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Speaker 1: know that? Yeah? Bobby Doll, So there's cc It was

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Speaker 1: the guitarist Brett Michael Frett Michael. Bobby Doll is the guy.

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Speaker 1: He sounds like a seven oriole or something that the

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Speaker 1: drummer was. You remember him, right, No, Ricky Rockett? Oh wow, yeah,

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Speaker 1: no I do. I didn't even like poison. That's what's

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Speaker 1: so funny. Poison was good. I wouldn't have fan they

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Speaker 1: were good. Uh, let's see. If you want to know

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