1 00:00:00,520 --> 00:00:02,720 Speaker 1: Hi, I'm George Ori, and welcome to the new I 2 00:00:02,840 --> 00:00:05,119 Speaker 1: Heart Radio and Coast to Coast d A and Paranormal 3 00:00:05,120 --> 00:00:08,800 Speaker 1: podcast Network. Like us on Facebook, Tell your friends and 4 00:00:08,880 --> 00:00:12,200 Speaker 1: share us with everyone. This is an exciting new network 5 00:00:12,240 --> 00:00:16,800 Speaker 1: that will feature podcasts of the paranormal, supernatural, and the unexplained. Now, 6 00:00:16,880 --> 00:00:21,360 Speaker 1: please sit back and enjoy Dark Becomes Light with Heidi Hollis. 7 00:00:25,920 --> 00:00:29,080 Speaker 1: The thoughts and opinions expressed by the host our thoughts 8 00:00:29,080 --> 00:00:32,640 Speaker 1: and opinions only, and do not necessarily reflect those of 9 00:00:32,760 --> 00:00:35,519 Speaker 1: I Heart Media, I Heart Radio, Coast to Coast A 10 00:00:35,680 --> 00:00:39,919 Speaker 1: out employees of premier networks or their sponsors and associates. 11 00:00:40,440 --> 00:00:43,559 Speaker 1: You are encouraged to do the proper amount of research yourself, 12 00:00:43,880 --> 00:01:03,880 Speaker 1: depending on the subject matter and your needs. You are 13 00:01:04,000 --> 00:01:07,920 Speaker 1: listening to Dark Becomes Light with Me Heidi Hollis on 14 00:01:08,000 --> 00:01:12,080 Speaker 1: the I Heart Radio and Coast to Coast I am 15 00:01:12,280 --> 00:01:18,399 Speaker 1: para normal podcast Network. Welcome to my show. Remember each week, 16 00:01:18,520 --> 00:01:20,400 Speaker 1: this is the place you go to when you want 17 00:01:20,400 --> 00:01:23,080 Speaker 1: to hear the latest when it comes to anything out 18 00:01:23,080 --> 00:01:28,280 Speaker 1: of the ordinary, ghost to bigfoot, angels to Jesus encounters visions, 19 00:01:28,880 --> 00:01:31,800 Speaker 1: anything and everything out the ordinary. I want you to 20 00:01:31,880 --> 00:01:35,240 Speaker 1: go to my main website, which is Heidi Hollis dot 21 00:01:35,280 --> 00:01:39,000 Speaker 1: com or shadow folks a dot com and tell me 22 00:01:39,080 --> 00:01:41,360 Speaker 1: about it, tell me what's on your mind. Give as 23 00:01:41,480 --> 00:01:44,399 Speaker 1: much detail as you would like, because I'm telling you 24 00:01:44,880 --> 00:01:48,840 Speaker 1: it really helps to paint a picture. And boy, oh boy, 25 00:01:48,880 --> 00:01:52,680 Speaker 1: is it helpful, because today, you guys aren't for quite 26 00:01:52,680 --> 00:01:57,040 Speaker 1: a treat. Today, I have probably the largest email I 27 00:01:57,080 --> 00:02:00,880 Speaker 1: have received since I started this show. Anyways, but I've 28 00:02:00,920 --> 00:02:03,640 Speaker 1: had some doozies in the past who would like to 29 00:02:03,720 --> 00:02:06,920 Speaker 1: have me read his story here on the air. And 30 00:02:07,000 --> 00:02:10,760 Speaker 1: I'm talking about it's probably like six pages something like that, 31 00:02:10,919 --> 00:02:13,320 Speaker 1: and uh, and I appreciate it. So we're going to 32 00:02:13,480 --> 00:02:18,880 Speaker 1: have like a full episode really diving deep into this 33 00:02:18,960 --> 00:02:21,120 Speaker 1: email that was sent my way and I have not 34 00:02:21,200 --> 00:02:24,560 Speaker 1: read it. I'd love to be as surprised as everybody 35 00:02:24,680 --> 00:02:28,919 Speaker 1: is when I dive into these things, because it's spontaneous 36 00:02:28,960 --> 00:02:31,400 Speaker 1: and it's open and it just kind of feels right 37 00:02:31,440 --> 00:02:35,120 Speaker 1: to uh, you know, have honest reactions to the things, 38 00:02:35,240 --> 00:02:38,640 Speaker 1: and uh, who were for a challenge today? I can't wait. 39 00:02:38,840 --> 00:02:41,480 Speaker 1: I can't wait. But first I have to tell you guys, 40 00:02:41,600 --> 00:02:45,480 Speaker 1: I have joined the app called Clubhouse. Find me on 41 00:02:45,600 --> 00:02:50,239 Speaker 1: there at Heidi Hollis, and also join my clubhouse group 42 00:02:50,440 --> 00:02:55,160 Speaker 1: which is called Shadow People and hat Man Encounters. This 43 00:02:55,400 --> 00:02:59,480 Speaker 1: is the opportunity to talk to me directly about whatever 44 00:02:59,520 --> 00:03:02,120 Speaker 1: it is you're experiencing out there. I get so many 45 00:03:02,160 --> 00:03:04,040 Speaker 1: people say, hey, Hi, do you give me a phone call? 46 00:03:04,400 --> 00:03:06,560 Speaker 1: Or they try calling me on social media? And I 47 00:03:06,600 --> 00:03:08,480 Speaker 1: wish I could just hop right on there to do 48 00:03:08,560 --> 00:03:11,680 Speaker 1: that all the time, but it's difficult. I'm one person. 49 00:03:11,960 --> 00:03:14,639 Speaker 1: I would love it though, but guess what this platform 50 00:03:14,720 --> 00:03:17,480 Speaker 1: allows for that. So if you want to talk to me, 51 00:03:17,520 --> 00:03:20,880 Speaker 1: if you want to chat I mean talking, we can 52 00:03:20,880 --> 00:03:24,079 Speaker 1: do it right there. So find me, find my club 53 00:03:24,480 --> 00:03:27,919 Speaker 1: and let's do that, all right, And again, don't forget 54 00:03:28,320 --> 00:03:34,120 Speaker 1: check out me on a social media I mean everything, Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, 55 00:03:34,240 --> 00:03:38,000 Speaker 1: usually at one Heidi Hollis, but on the clubhouse it 56 00:03:38,160 --> 00:03:42,320 Speaker 1: is just at Heidi Hollis. All right, So we are 57 00:03:42,360 --> 00:03:45,760 Speaker 1: going to dive on into this fabulous email. I am 58 00:03:45,840 --> 00:03:50,000 Speaker 1: a super duper excited, all right. It starts off Hi Heidi. 59 00:03:50,040 --> 00:03:52,240 Speaker 1: First of all, thank you for being the beacon of 60 00:03:52,360 --> 00:03:55,960 Speaker 1: light for those of us who have experienced the supernatural, 61 00:03:56,400 --> 00:04:00,880 Speaker 1: otherworldly and unexplainable phenomena, and for paving the way. Oh, 62 00:04:00,880 --> 00:04:03,560 Speaker 1: it's really nice of you. Thank you for kicking down 63 00:04:03,560 --> 00:04:07,040 Speaker 1: the doors of the naysayers and nonbelievers, creating a platform 64 00:04:07,080 --> 00:04:10,200 Speaker 1: for us to come together and share our experiences and 65 00:04:10,200 --> 00:04:13,840 Speaker 1: to be taken seriously. I was thrilled to find your 66 00:04:13,880 --> 00:04:16,840 Speaker 1: podcast and enjoy listening to the many stories of your 67 00:04:16,880 --> 00:04:20,719 Speaker 1: guests and community followers experiences as well as your own 68 00:04:20,760 --> 00:04:24,279 Speaker 1: inspirational life story. Wow, thank you so much. That's really 69 00:04:24,360 --> 00:04:27,719 Speaker 1: kind of you. I'm humbled, honestly, I really feel humbled 70 00:04:27,880 --> 00:04:30,640 Speaker 1: to have the opportunity to do this, and um, you know, 71 00:04:30,720 --> 00:04:33,920 Speaker 1: I would absolutely do this all day long. I just 72 00:04:34,320 --> 00:04:37,720 Speaker 1: really do enjoy it, all right, and to continue it 73 00:04:37,839 --> 00:04:41,280 Speaker 1: says my life has been greatly influenced and filled with 74 00:04:41,400 --> 00:04:47,960 Speaker 1: many supernatural unexplainable phenomena and experiences as well, from prophetic dreams, 75 00:04:48,080 --> 00:04:52,480 Speaker 1: shadow people, guardian angels, demons, a bigfoot to UFOs. Oh 76 00:04:52,520 --> 00:04:56,520 Speaker 1: you sound like me. I would like to share three 77 00:04:56,600 --> 00:05:00,200 Speaker 1: of these stories and get your thoughts and feedback, as 78 00:05:00,320 --> 00:05:03,400 Speaker 1: these three experiences I feel are linked and perhaps tell 79 00:05:03,440 --> 00:05:09,560 Speaker 1: an even bigger story. Okay. My earliest recollection of supernatural 80 00:05:09,560 --> 00:05:13,239 Speaker 1: phenomena began when I was four years old, with many 81 00:05:13,440 --> 00:05:18,520 Speaker 1: unexplainable occurrences to follow. Throughout my life spanning forty five years, 82 00:05:19,120 --> 00:05:21,880 Speaker 1: I have always had a deep feeling of being connected 83 00:05:21,920 --> 00:05:26,760 Speaker 1: to another place and existences, a reality or world not tangible, 84 00:05:27,240 --> 00:05:31,039 Speaker 1: are able to be seen or experienced by others, a 85 00:05:31,120 --> 00:05:34,320 Speaker 1: place seemingly just on the opposite side of a wall 86 00:05:34,880 --> 00:05:38,640 Speaker 1: or in the same room, but through an invisible veil. Oh, 87 00:05:38,760 --> 00:05:40,960 Speaker 1: I know what you're talking about. I know what you're 88 00:05:41,000 --> 00:05:44,600 Speaker 1: talking about. A veil, if pulled back, would reveal this 89 00:05:44,680 --> 00:05:49,039 Speaker 1: world and its inhabitants. Yet unable to find where this 90 00:05:49,240 --> 00:05:53,320 Speaker 1: veil begins, A knowing deep down at my core that 91 00:05:53,400 --> 00:05:57,120 Speaker 1: what I felt was true, more true than my experiences 92 00:05:57,160 --> 00:06:00,200 Speaker 1: in reality, or just as true as though I have 93 00:06:00,279 --> 00:06:04,240 Speaker 1: existed my entire life with one foot in this world 94 00:06:04,400 --> 00:06:06,200 Speaker 1: and the other on the other side of the veil. 95 00:06:06,320 --> 00:06:08,800 Speaker 1: I think, to decipher this whole story, I'm going to 96 00:06:09,000 --> 00:06:12,640 Speaker 1: break in sometimes and just share up. I used to 97 00:06:12,800 --> 00:06:17,280 Speaker 1: personally go to bed uh during the daytime because I 98 00:06:17,279 --> 00:06:22,400 Speaker 1: would be interrupted by UH college roommates and whatnot. Because 99 00:06:22,600 --> 00:06:25,080 Speaker 1: I would go to sleep and wake up into this 100 00:06:25,160 --> 00:06:28,120 Speaker 1: other world that I had a hard time leaving. It 101 00:06:28,200 --> 00:06:31,360 Speaker 1: was like two parallel lives and it still is something 102 00:06:31,920 --> 00:06:34,040 Speaker 1: I deal with today. So I feel you. It's like 103 00:06:34,120 --> 00:06:35,960 Speaker 1: you know where am I. I don't know where I'm at. 104 00:06:36,080 --> 00:06:39,960 Speaker 1: Sometimes it's kind of wild, so I I totally feel you, okay, 105 00:06:40,320 --> 00:06:45,800 Speaker 1: and he continues. My earliest recollection of encountering or connecting 106 00:06:46,279 --> 00:06:49,080 Speaker 1: with this other world occurred when I was four years old, 107 00:06:49,080 --> 00:06:51,200 Speaker 1: in the middle of the night, while I was asleep 108 00:06:51,200 --> 00:06:55,400 Speaker 1: in bed. At that age, every night before my parents 109 00:06:55,400 --> 00:06:57,760 Speaker 1: would go to bed, either my mom or dad will 110 00:06:57,839 --> 00:07:01,039 Speaker 1: come into my room to check on me while I slept, 111 00:07:01,360 --> 00:07:04,719 Speaker 1: perhaps checking to see that I was still breathing, sometimes 112 00:07:04,800 --> 00:07:07,400 Speaker 1: kissing me on the forehead. I would always keep my 113 00:07:07,440 --> 00:07:10,200 Speaker 1: eyes closed and pretend I was asleep. For some reason, 114 00:07:11,040 --> 00:07:14,320 Speaker 1: there was a presence that radiated from them while entering 115 00:07:14,360 --> 00:07:17,600 Speaker 1: and being in my room at night, a noticeable difference 116 00:07:17,640 --> 00:07:20,200 Speaker 1: in sound and the quietness of the dark room as 117 00:07:20,360 --> 00:07:25,720 Speaker 1: energy shifted around the space they occupied. Their presence emitted 118 00:07:25,880 --> 00:07:28,679 Speaker 1: this energy or feeling of warmth and love that would 119 00:07:28,680 --> 00:07:33,000 Speaker 1: come over me like a tightly tucked blanket wrapped securely 120 00:07:33,000 --> 00:07:36,400 Speaker 1: around me. As a child, I became very familiar with 121 00:07:36,400 --> 00:07:39,880 Speaker 1: this energy. The presence of my parents checking on me 122 00:07:39,960 --> 00:07:42,680 Speaker 1: in the middle of the night. As this was routine, 123 00:07:43,160 --> 00:07:46,880 Speaker 1: and every time I pretended to be asleep, never opening 124 00:07:46,920 --> 00:07:52,440 Speaker 1: my eyes. This one particular night, I awoke suddenly, startled instantly, 125 00:07:52,600 --> 00:07:56,320 Speaker 1: sitting up in my bed, looking around my dark room. 126 00:07:56,520 --> 00:08:01,960 Speaker 1: Something was different and wrong. I remember feeling a quote presence, 127 00:08:02,560 --> 00:08:07,000 Speaker 1: an unfamiliar energy around me. It was not that recognizable 128 00:08:07,240 --> 00:08:10,360 Speaker 1: presence of my parents, warmth and love, I knew. It 129 00:08:10,480 --> 00:08:14,200 Speaker 1: felt as though the tightly tucked blanket had been pulled 130 00:08:14,200 --> 00:08:19,040 Speaker 1: off of me, along with the security it provided. My 131 00:08:19,120 --> 00:08:22,680 Speaker 1: waking eyes trying to adjust with only a little light 132 00:08:22,760 --> 00:08:28,560 Speaker 1: coming from under the window from some outside source, objects 133 00:08:28,560 --> 00:08:31,000 Speaker 1: in the room could faintly be recognized in the dark. 134 00:08:31,360 --> 00:08:34,400 Speaker 1: Sitting there in my bed, I scanned my dark room, 135 00:08:34,440 --> 00:08:39,640 Speaker 1: searching for this presence, with my eyes finally rusting, horrified, 136 00:08:40,200 --> 00:08:45,040 Speaker 1: fixated on some foreign object lying next to me in 137 00:08:45,080 --> 00:08:50,040 Speaker 1: the bed. Oh gosh, it was a snake. The snake 138 00:08:50,280 --> 00:08:53,480 Speaker 1: was only a few inches from my body, stretched out 139 00:08:53,600 --> 00:08:58,880 Speaker 1: about the length of my leg, and it laid there motionless. 140 00:08:59,559 --> 00:09:03,280 Speaker 1: It was a very dark black snake with a symbol 141 00:09:03,360 --> 00:09:08,640 Speaker 1: on its back, a very bright red B. At the time, 142 00:09:08,880 --> 00:09:11,439 Speaker 1: I had not learned the alphabet, so I wasn't familiar 143 00:09:11,480 --> 00:09:14,280 Speaker 1: with what the symbol was called that was on the 144 00:09:14,320 --> 00:09:17,880 Speaker 1: snake's back, as I tried to describe to my parents later, 145 00:09:17,920 --> 00:09:22,040 Speaker 1: But this for me was some quote clue that would 146 00:09:22,120 --> 00:09:27,240 Speaker 1: have profound, significant meaning later in my life. I screamed 147 00:09:27,360 --> 00:09:31,680 Speaker 1: like I had never screamed before, only no sound came 148 00:09:31,720 --> 00:09:35,240 Speaker 1: from my mouth. Oh gosh. I was afraid to move 149 00:09:35,400 --> 00:09:37,640 Speaker 1: or jump out of the bed, fearing the snake might 150 00:09:37,679 --> 00:09:41,440 Speaker 1: attack and bite me. For what felt like hours, I 151 00:09:41,480 --> 00:09:44,880 Speaker 1: sat there in bed, eyes never leaving the snake, being 152 00:09:44,960 --> 00:09:48,760 Speaker 1: as still as possible, screaming at the top of my 153 00:09:48,880 --> 00:09:54,559 Speaker 1: lungs silently. Suddenly, the light came on in my room. 154 00:09:54,600 --> 00:09:56,920 Speaker 1: I took my gaze off of the snake to the 155 00:09:56,960 --> 00:10:01,240 Speaker 1: doorway where my dad stood. He had a look on 156 00:10:01,400 --> 00:10:06,440 Speaker 1: his face I had never seen before. Bewildered, confused, I 157 00:10:06,600 --> 00:10:10,960 Speaker 1: noticed in that instant that I could now hear myself screaming. 158 00:10:12,480 --> 00:10:15,520 Speaker 1: My dad trying to calm me down, asking what I 159 00:10:15,600 --> 00:10:19,200 Speaker 1: was screaming about. I frantically told him there was a 160 00:10:19,240 --> 00:10:22,120 Speaker 1: snake in my bed. As I looked back down at 161 00:10:22,120 --> 00:10:25,200 Speaker 1: my bed where the snake had been, it was gone. 162 00:10:26,280 --> 00:10:28,679 Speaker 1: My dad looked under my bed in my sheets, and 163 00:10:28,760 --> 00:10:33,960 Speaker 1: the closet all over the room and no snake. After 164 00:10:34,000 --> 00:10:36,640 Speaker 1: searching my room from top to bottom, he told me 165 00:10:36,679 --> 00:10:40,360 Speaker 1: to go back to sleep with a frustrated tone. He 166 00:10:40,480 --> 00:10:42,720 Speaker 1: told me there was nothing in the room. As he 167 00:10:42,840 --> 00:10:45,559 Speaker 1: slammed off the light and went back to his own 168 00:10:45,679 --> 00:10:49,320 Speaker 1: room to go back to sleep. Darkness once again filled 169 00:10:49,360 --> 00:10:53,080 Speaker 1: my room. I didn't feel the unfamiliar presence or energy 170 00:10:53,120 --> 00:10:56,640 Speaker 1: in the room anymore. However, I was confused on where 171 00:10:56,679 --> 00:10:59,160 Speaker 1: the snake had gone and why my dad couldn't see it. 172 00:11:00,120 --> 00:11:03,080 Speaker 1: More terrifying for me at that moment was the realization 173 00:11:03,080 --> 00:11:06,720 Speaker 1: that my dad did not believe me, and his usual warm, 174 00:11:06,840 --> 00:11:11,160 Speaker 1: loving energy had not filled the room. Later that year, 175 00:11:11,200 --> 00:11:14,319 Speaker 1: we moved from that apartment to a new house. Growing 176 00:11:14,400 --> 00:11:17,000 Speaker 1: up in the new house, the unfamiliar presence that I 177 00:11:17,040 --> 00:11:20,200 Speaker 1: had experienced years before with the snake of my bed 178 00:11:20,800 --> 00:11:24,720 Speaker 1: had seemingly followed us to our new home. Being an 179 00:11:24,760 --> 00:11:27,600 Speaker 1: only child until about the age of ten, it was 180 00:11:27,640 --> 00:11:30,160 Speaker 1: only my mom, dad, and I living in the house 181 00:11:30,200 --> 00:11:33,720 Speaker 1: for most of my adolescent years. I grew up in 182 00:11:33,720 --> 00:11:37,360 Speaker 1: the late seventies early eighties as what was called a 183 00:11:37,480 --> 00:11:40,880 Speaker 1: latch key kid, meaning I would come home alone after 184 00:11:40,920 --> 00:11:44,800 Speaker 1: school until my parents would get home from work, usually 185 00:11:44,840 --> 00:11:50,079 Speaker 1: late in the evening. The unfamiliar presences energy would fill 186 00:11:50,160 --> 00:11:53,800 Speaker 1: the house in those days, Specifically when I would come 187 00:11:53,840 --> 00:11:56,760 Speaker 1: home late, I could feel it all around me in 188 00:11:56,800 --> 00:11:59,719 Speaker 1: the house, as though it was watching me from some 189 00:12:00,120 --> 00:12:04,160 Speaker 1: scene space, hidden but always present, just behind me or 190 00:12:04,200 --> 00:12:09,160 Speaker 1: around the corner in another room. If my parents were home, 191 00:12:09,200 --> 00:12:12,320 Speaker 1: the presence could not be felt. It seemed to stay 192 00:12:12,440 --> 00:12:15,720 Speaker 1: hidden out of their consciousness, as behind the veil of 193 00:12:15,760 --> 00:12:18,880 Speaker 1: the other world. Strange things would happen in the house 194 00:12:18,880 --> 00:12:21,520 Speaker 1: when I was home alone, things I could hear in 195 00:12:21,640 --> 00:12:26,880 Speaker 1: other rooms, cabinet door slamming, kitchen sink, faucet turning on 196 00:12:27,000 --> 00:12:30,559 Speaker 1: and off, TV turning on, stereo playing on its own. 197 00:12:30,800 --> 00:12:34,360 Speaker 1: At first, thinking my parents were home, I would run 198 00:12:34,400 --> 00:12:37,080 Speaker 1: out of my room to greet them, only to find 199 00:12:37,200 --> 00:12:42,679 Speaker 1: an empty, quiet, dark house. Horrifically realizing I was still 200 00:12:43,080 --> 00:12:47,040 Speaker 1: home alone and that the unfamiliar presence must have been 201 00:12:47,600 --> 00:12:51,880 Speaker 1: what was making all the noises. Terrified of this presence, 202 00:12:52,000 --> 00:12:54,480 Speaker 1: I got to the point that I would lock myself 203 00:12:54,520 --> 00:12:57,400 Speaker 1: in my room after getting home from school until my 204 00:12:57,480 --> 00:13:01,240 Speaker 1: parents would get home, all the while out hearing and 205 00:13:01,320 --> 00:13:08,440 Speaker 1: feeling this presence outside of my closed bedroom door. I 206 00:13:08,440 --> 00:13:11,120 Speaker 1: think that's a good spot to end. Well, you know what, 207 00:13:11,200 --> 00:13:12,680 Speaker 1: you guys got to hear the rest of the story. 208 00:13:12,760 --> 00:13:15,840 Speaker 1: You are listening to Dark Becomes Light with Me Heidi 209 00:13:15,920 --> 00:13:19,079 Speaker 1: Hollis on the I Heart Radio and Coast to Coast 210 00:13:19,160 --> 00:13:36,680 Speaker 1: AM Paranormal Podcast Network. Welcome back. You are listening to 211 00:13:36,880 --> 00:13:40,120 Speaker 1: Dark Becomes Light with me Heidi Hollis on the I 212 00:13:40,240 --> 00:13:45,640 Speaker 1: Heart Radio and Coast to Coast a AM paranormal podcast network. 213 00:13:46,440 --> 00:13:51,360 Speaker 1: As mentioned before the break, we have one gigantic email 214 00:13:51,480 --> 00:13:55,319 Speaker 1: that I truly appreciate and it comes from a breakery. 215 00:13:55,559 --> 00:13:57,360 Speaker 1: Just so you guys know, I didn't get to mention 216 00:13:57,400 --> 00:14:00,800 Speaker 1: the name, and uh usually it to the new it then. 217 00:14:01,120 --> 00:14:04,079 Speaker 1: And I'm reading through this email here for the first 218 00:14:04,120 --> 00:14:07,520 Speaker 1: time with all of you, and uh, I'm excited to 219 00:14:07,559 --> 00:14:10,040 Speaker 1: see about all of the different elements that I'm commenting 220 00:14:10,080 --> 00:14:13,400 Speaker 1: as we go along, because it's a juicy one and uh, 221 00:14:13,880 --> 00:14:18,079 Speaker 1: let's continue. On many occasions, my parents would get home 222 00:14:18,120 --> 00:14:21,240 Speaker 1: from work and question me on things like why I 223 00:14:21,280 --> 00:14:23,160 Speaker 1: had left the TV on in the living room, or 224 00:14:23,320 --> 00:14:26,040 Speaker 1: why left the water running in the kitchen sink, or 225 00:14:26,320 --> 00:14:29,920 Speaker 1: why I was leaving doors wide open throughout the house. 226 00:14:30,760 --> 00:14:34,240 Speaker 1: It's so disturbing. I would explain to them that it 227 00:14:34,360 --> 00:14:38,040 Speaker 1: wasn't me, that I had not left my room, hinting 228 00:14:38,080 --> 00:14:41,400 Speaker 1: to them that it must have been someone else or 229 00:14:41,440 --> 00:14:45,880 Speaker 1: a ghost. Through time, I came to understand that the 230 00:14:45,960 --> 00:14:50,200 Speaker 1: idea of ghosts to them was ridiculous. It was the 231 00:14:50,280 --> 00:14:53,840 Speaker 1: only other person in the house besides them, and there 232 00:14:53,920 --> 00:14:57,640 Speaker 1: was never any evidence of anyone else ever coming into 233 00:14:57,640 --> 00:15:01,800 Speaker 1: the house. As far as my parents were concerned, I 234 00:15:01,840 --> 00:15:04,960 Speaker 1: was the one leaving the water running. I was the 235 00:15:05,000 --> 00:15:08,920 Speaker 1: one leaving the TV and stereo on. I was the 236 00:15:08,960 --> 00:15:14,520 Speaker 1: one causing the unexplainable things occurring in the house. My 237 00:15:14,600 --> 00:15:18,040 Speaker 1: parents never believe me, no matter how many times I 238 00:15:18,080 --> 00:15:21,600 Speaker 1: would tell them it wasn't me. Because of this, I 239 00:15:21,640 --> 00:15:26,320 Speaker 1: felt so very isolated and very alone. I know that feeling. 240 00:15:26,840 --> 00:15:31,640 Speaker 1: On most days, the presence would carry on throughout the house, 241 00:15:32,280 --> 00:15:37,000 Speaker 1: making noises, slamming doors and such as if it lived there, 242 00:15:38,240 --> 00:15:40,840 Speaker 1: that's terrible. Are they paying rent? They shouldn't be there. 243 00:15:40,920 --> 00:15:43,960 Speaker 1: That's how I feel. Um. I had grown accustomed to 244 00:15:44,320 --> 00:15:48,480 Speaker 1: the presence over the years, and this energy looming in 245 00:15:48,520 --> 00:15:51,120 Speaker 1: the house. As long as I was in my room, 246 00:15:51,800 --> 00:15:56,560 Speaker 1: I felt safe. It never entered my room, as though 247 00:15:56,800 --> 00:15:59,640 Speaker 1: my room was my sanctuary, my holy ground, and this 248 00:15:59,720 --> 00:16:05,040 Speaker 1: pres sense, for some reason wouldn't or couldn't enter. I 249 00:16:05,400 --> 00:16:08,560 Speaker 1: totally understand that. I think that sometimes we put that 250 00:16:08,640 --> 00:16:11,840 Speaker 1: barrier out there, but you know, the cracks do show up, 251 00:16:12,040 --> 00:16:14,960 Speaker 1: and sometimes we gotta shove our foot a little bit 252 00:16:15,000 --> 00:16:18,960 Speaker 1: harder in their direction. Until one night, oh, here it 253 00:16:19,080 --> 00:16:23,120 Speaker 1: is already. After several years of it never coming into 254 00:16:23,160 --> 00:16:26,960 Speaker 1: my room, Oh no, I got chills. It finally did. 255 00:16:27,680 --> 00:16:30,240 Speaker 1: At the age of ten, I had an experience that 256 00:16:30,360 --> 00:16:36,520 Speaker 1: changed my perception of what this unknown presence was, and 257 00:16:36,560 --> 00:16:40,960 Speaker 1: I was able to finally identify and give it a name. 258 00:16:42,280 --> 00:16:44,840 Speaker 1: Due to a fear of the total darkness at night 259 00:16:45,280 --> 00:16:48,680 Speaker 1: when I slept, my mom had placed a night light 260 00:16:48,920 --> 00:16:52,320 Speaker 1: in my room, just beside my bed. I have a 261 00:16:52,320 --> 00:16:56,000 Speaker 1: creepy feeling on what this might be, anybody anybody else? 262 00:16:56,080 --> 00:17:02,440 Speaker 1: I do. It put out very dull orange light, but 263 00:17:02,640 --> 00:17:05,040 Speaker 1: it made me feel a little more secure at night. 264 00:17:05,720 --> 00:17:08,399 Speaker 1: I had also developed a habit of sleeping with my 265 00:17:08,480 --> 00:17:12,280 Speaker 1: head under the covers at night. This one night, I 266 00:17:12,400 --> 00:17:16,960 Speaker 1: again awoke abruptly feeling a presence, a noticeable difference of 267 00:17:17,080 --> 00:17:20,840 Speaker 1: sound and the quietness of the dark room. As energy 268 00:17:21,000 --> 00:17:28,480 Speaker 1: shifted around a mass occupying space directly behind me, I 269 00:17:28,560 --> 00:17:31,959 Speaker 1: briefly thought it was my mom standing behind me, checking 270 00:17:32,000 --> 00:17:36,640 Speaker 1: on me while I slept. Usually, my mom would turn 271 00:17:36,680 --> 00:17:38,639 Speaker 1: on the hall light when she would check on me 272 00:17:38,720 --> 00:17:42,240 Speaker 1: at night, and like always, I pretended to be asleep 273 00:17:42,320 --> 00:17:47,040 Speaker 1: under the covers. Except this night, I did not see 274 00:17:47,080 --> 00:17:50,399 Speaker 1: the usual gleam from the hall light coming through the 275 00:17:50,480 --> 00:17:54,960 Speaker 1: thin sheet covering my head. The room was still very dark. 276 00:17:55,440 --> 00:17:59,680 Speaker 1: Barely squinting my eyes and seeing only the dim orange 277 00:17:59,680 --> 00:18:03,199 Speaker 1: glow from the night light coming through the sheets, I 278 00:18:03,200 --> 00:18:08,120 Speaker 1: could feel this mass shifting closer to me slowly from behind. 279 00:18:08,560 --> 00:18:13,400 Speaker 1: Still somewhat asleep groggily from under the covers, I softly 280 00:18:13,520 --> 00:18:21,080 Speaker 1: and inquisitively said mom. There was no answer, utter silence 281 00:18:21,080 --> 00:18:24,600 Speaker 1: in the room, other than a faint sound of breathing 282 00:18:25,680 --> 00:18:29,439 Speaker 1: coming from the mass behind me. I did not feel 283 00:18:29,480 --> 00:18:33,960 Speaker 1: my mom's usual warmth. The energy filling the room was familiar, 284 00:18:34,080 --> 00:18:41,520 Speaker 1: yet void of love. It was empty, hollow, hopeful, but unsure, 285 00:18:41,560 --> 00:18:45,719 Speaker 1: thinking maybe it was my dad instead checking on me, 286 00:18:46,240 --> 00:18:49,520 Speaker 1: though he rarely did that anymore since the snake incident, 287 00:18:50,480 --> 00:18:54,879 Speaker 1: I again said Mom, this time a little louder and 288 00:18:54,920 --> 00:19:01,320 Speaker 1: more assertive, but again silence, except for a distinct heavy 289 00:19:01,359 --> 00:19:06,000 Speaker 1: breathing getting closer to the back of my covered head. 290 00:19:08,400 --> 00:19:12,760 Speaker 1: Fear immediately set in. Panic gripped my body, feeling as 291 00:19:12,880 --> 00:19:18,360 Speaker 1: though the blood pumping through my veins instantly drained from 292 00:19:18,359 --> 00:19:21,920 Speaker 1: my body. I can imagine I was now fully awake 293 00:19:22,000 --> 00:19:26,000 Speaker 1: and cognizant of the realization that what stood behind me 294 00:19:26,640 --> 00:19:30,320 Speaker 1: in the dark was not my mom or my dad. 295 00:19:31,720 --> 00:19:35,639 Speaker 1: Through my squinted eyes, I saw the dim orange glow 296 00:19:35,840 --> 00:19:39,960 Speaker 1: from the night light fade away cut off as this 297 00:19:40,280 --> 00:19:46,920 Speaker 1: mass a dark shadow move closer, Hovering now just inches 298 00:19:47,240 --> 00:19:51,040 Speaker 1: over my covered head. I could feel the pressure of 299 00:19:51,119 --> 00:19:55,359 Speaker 1: its deep, heavy breathing on the sheet covering my face. 300 00:19:56,440 --> 00:20:03,560 Speaker 1: I lay there, terrified, rigid, afraid move an incapacitating feeling 301 00:20:03,880 --> 00:20:09,160 Speaker 1: I hadn't experienced since I was four years old. When 302 00:20:09,200 --> 00:20:11,199 Speaker 1: my mom would check on me through the night, I 303 00:20:11,200 --> 00:20:14,800 Speaker 1: would always lay there, still pretending to be asleep. She 304 00:20:14,840 --> 00:20:17,960 Speaker 1: would always slowly pull the sheets from my covered head, 305 00:20:18,280 --> 00:20:21,680 Speaker 1: careful not to wake me. She would move her face 306 00:20:21,760 --> 00:20:25,960 Speaker 1: across to my forehead. Her presence and energy would feel 307 00:20:26,040 --> 00:20:29,560 Speaker 1: light and loving as she would kiss me, softly, comforting 308 00:20:29,600 --> 00:20:34,040 Speaker 1: me as she recovered my head and leave the room. 309 00:20:34,080 --> 00:20:39,119 Speaker 1: This shadow, looming inches over my covered head was motionless. 310 00:20:39,760 --> 00:20:45,160 Speaker 1: It's breathing slow, controlled. It was as if it wanted 311 00:20:45,160 --> 00:20:50,400 Speaker 1: me to believe it was my mom. Oh, that's that 312 00:20:50,600 --> 00:20:54,600 Speaker 1: is a game that they play. Anything dark and evil 313 00:20:54,960 --> 00:20:57,080 Speaker 1: likes to do that. So you let your guard down, 314 00:20:57,240 --> 00:21:01,280 Speaker 1: You let your guard down, and this continues. The energy 315 00:21:01,600 --> 00:21:06,359 Speaker 1: this shadow put off felt dark, heavy, as though it 316 00:21:06,560 --> 00:21:11,200 Speaker 1: sensed my fear and enjoyed my terror. I had stopped 317 00:21:11,280 --> 00:21:16,280 Speaker 1: being scared of this entity that resided elusively in my 318 00:21:16,400 --> 00:21:20,399 Speaker 1: house years ago, believing it could not enter my room 319 00:21:20,560 --> 00:21:25,400 Speaker 1: or harm me. Now realizing in that instance it had 320 00:21:25,680 --> 00:21:31,560 Speaker 1: all been a ruse, I gotta say something here too. 321 00:21:31,680 --> 00:21:33,480 Speaker 1: I have so many people are like, well, it doesn't 322 00:21:33,520 --> 00:21:35,280 Speaker 1: bother me. You know, it's been going on for years, 323 00:21:35,320 --> 00:21:37,720 Speaker 1: and you know, I feel this presence. Sure, I've seen 324 00:21:37,800 --> 00:21:40,040 Speaker 1: shadow people are hat man, but they don't come here. 325 00:21:40,119 --> 00:21:42,080 Speaker 1: They don't bother me, you know, And I'm like, it's 326 00:21:42,119 --> 00:21:45,560 Speaker 1: studying you, that's looking for a way in. Trust me. 327 00:21:45,920 --> 00:21:49,439 Speaker 1: They're very patient and uh yeah, I guess not until 328 00:21:49,480 --> 00:21:51,919 Speaker 1: people experience that, they don't know what it is that 329 00:21:52,040 --> 00:21:54,679 Speaker 1: they're in for. If they don't get rid of it 330 00:21:54,760 --> 00:21:57,760 Speaker 1: ahead of time, Okay, to continue, it says. Thoughts of 331 00:21:57,800 --> 00:22:01,240 Speaker 1: horrific things this dark shadow is going to do to 332 00:22:01,320 --> 00:22:06,480 Speaker 1: me flooded my mind in that moment, feeling more terrified 333 00:22:06,520 --> 00:22:11,080 Speaker 1: of this quote dark presence than I ever had cerebral y. 334 00:22:11,280 --> 00:22:18,320 Speaker 1: Knowing exactly who this shadowy, dark, deceiving mass was, I 335 00:22:18,440 --> 00:22:25,280 Speaker 1: felt vulnerable, exposed, alone, hopeless, with this dark shadow standing 336 00:22:25,320 --> 00:22:30,320 Speaker 1: over me, seemingly mere seconds from ripping the sheets from 337 00:22:30,320 --> 00:22:35,080 Speaker 1: my covered, defenseless body. I remember thinking I would throw 338 00:22:35,080 --> 00:22:38,560 Speaker 1: the blankets off and swing wildly at this dark mass 339 00:22:38,600 --> 00:22:43,120 Speaker 1: to get away long enough to run to my parents room. 340 00:22:43,160 --> 00:22:50,560 Speaker 1: The dark shadow hunched over me perfectly, still, perhaps basking 341 00:22:50,680 --> 00:22:55,800 Speaker 1: in the aroma of fear pheromones I was releasing as 342 00:22:55,840 --> 00:22:58,840 Speaker 1: a result of the dread it was causing me. Oh, 343 00:22:58,880 --> 00:23:00,960 Speaker 1: I have no doubt at it was doing that, To 344 00:23:01,000 --> 00:23:04,439 Speaker 1: be honest, they love that stuff and it's disgusting what 345 00:23:04,480 --> 00:23:08,800 Speaker 1: they do. It's breathing still heavy on my face. As 346 00:23:08,840 --> 00:23:12,479 Speaker 1: I prayed softly under my breath for God to help me. 347 00:23:13,040 --> 00:23:17,600 Speaker 1: I counted to three with every emotion going through my consciousness, 348 00:23:18,000 --> 00:23:23,400 Speaker 1: led mostly by a berserker fear. I threw the covers 349 00:23:23,480 --> 00:23:28,680 Speaker 1: from my head. There was nothing. The room was empty, 350 00:23:29,480 --> 00:23:35,600 Speaker 1: quiet and dark, with only a faint orange glow coming 351 00:23:35,640 --> 00:23:38,280 Speaker 1: from the night light. The energy in the room had 352 00:23:38,359 --> 00:23:42,879 Speaker 1: lifted and once again was normal. The breathing, along with 353 00:23:42,960 --> 00:23:47,560 Speaker 1: the dark shadow, was gone. Yeah, they like to play 354 00:23:47,600 --> 00:23:50,879 Speaker 1: those games, get you to think and question yourself, like 355 00:23:50,960 --> 00:23:53,520 Speaker 1: I just I know something was here, I know something 356 00:23:53,600 --> 00:23:58,160 Speaker 1: was here, and then woo nothing like come on, now, 357 00:23:58,240 --> 00:24:02,120 Speaker 1: I know myself and I trust my senses, and then 358 00:24:02,160 --> 00:24:05,560 Speaker 1: to have something like that happened, it really just it's 359 00:24:05,600 --> 00:24:10,000 Speaker 1: perturbing and disturbing. So I totally understand Gregory, and I 360 00:24:10,040 --> 00:24:14,119 Speaker 1: always say trust your gut instincts, all right. To continue. 361 00:24:14,840 --> 00:24:19,000 Speaker 1: The unexplainable disturbances in the house ceased over the years, 362 00:24:19,560 --> 00:24:24,200 Speaker 1: though the presence seemed to loom periodically from behind the veil. 363 00:24:25,080 --> 00:24:28,760 Speaker 1: Time went on, I got older, became an adult, experiencing 364 00:24:29,240 --> 00:24:33,840 Speaker 1: many supernatural things through the years, but nothing that ever 365 00:24:34,040 --> 00:24:38,040 Speaker 1: compared to the night the devil stood over me. As 366 00:24:38,080 --> 00:24:41,440 Speaker 1: I came to call it, huh until about ten years 367 00:24:41,440 --> 00:24:45,800 Speaker 1: ago when I again was visited in the middle of 368 00:24:45,840 --> 00:24:52,440 Speaker 1: the night by a dark, shadowy figure. Mm hmm. This night, 369 00:24:52,880 --> 00:24:56,160 Speaker 1: similar to my past experiences of waking to a presence 370 00:24:56,160 --> 00:25:00,240 Speaker 1: in the room. I awoke suddenly to a feeling of 371 00:25:00,440 --> 00:25:06,600 Speaker 1: someone or something in the room with me, my kindness. 372 00:25:06,680 --> 00:25:12,400 Speaker 1: You know again, I'm just blown away that somebody like yourself, Gregory, 373 00:25:13,000 --> 00:25:16,920 Speaker 1: are so aware and so trusting of their experiences. And 374 00:25:17,119 --> 00:25:20,359 Speaker 1: uh also, you know what's peculiar as a kid being 375 00:25:20,400 --> 00:25:24,120 Speaker 1: such a soft and light sleeper. That's not common. Kids 376 00:25:24,160 --> 00:25:26,800 Speaker 1: could sleep through fire alarms because they just have a 377 00:25:26,800 --> 00:25:29,680 Speaker 1: different sleep pattern. So I would say even with that, 378 00:25:29,720 --> 00:25:33,040 Speaker 1: there's something to you that is quite different. All right, 379 00:25:33,040 --> 00:25:34,680 Speaker 1: I'm going to leave it right there because we're gonna 380 00:25:34,680 --> 00:25:37,320 Speaker 1: get to our next break and there's more to come. Guys. 381 00:25:37,640 --> 00:25:40,879 Speaker 1: You are listening to Dark Becomes Light with me Heidi 382 00:25:40,960 --> 00:25:44,000 Speaker 1: Hollis on the I Heart Radio and Coast to Coast 383 00:25:44,080 --> 00:25:48,360 Speaker 1: I AM Paranormal Podcast Network. Stick around, We'll be right back. 384 00:26:01,160 --> 00:26:07,000 Speaker 1: A welcome back. You are listening to Dark It Comes 385 00:26:07,080 --> 00:26:10,359 Speaker 1: Light with me Heidi Hollis on the I Heart Radio 386 00:26:11,160 --> 00:26:17,560 Speaker 1: and Coast to Coast I Am Paranormal Podcast Network. As mentioned, 387 00:26:17,800 --> 00:26:21,520 Speaker 1: I always love, especially to answer the emails or to 388 00:26:21,600 --> 00:26:23,800 Speaker 1: read the emails and the stories that you guys are 389 00:26:23,840 --> 00:26:27,080 Speaker 1: experiencing out there, because this is how we learn. This 390 00:26:27,200 --> 00:26:31,399 Speaker 1: that's how we grow and know what everybody's perspective is 391 00:26:31,560 --> 00:26:34,159 Speaker 1: and what it is that happens on the privacy of 392 00:26:34,160 --> 00:26:38,000 Speaker 1: people's own home. How else will we gather the research, 393 00:26:38,040 --> 00:26:41,200 Speaker 1: how else will we know what to look for? And 394 00:26:41,480 --> 00:26:45,080 Speaker 1: I'm sure as I read this very well written I 395 00:26:45,160 --> 00:26:49,879 Speaker 1: must give it to you Gregory um email telling about 396 00:26:49,920 --> 00:26:54,119 Speaker 1: his life and experiencing stranger things, and so to continue, 397 00:26:55,320 --> 00:26:58,560 Speaker 1: He starts with sitting up in my bed, scanning the 398 00:26:58,640 --> 00:27:02,200 Speaker 1: room for this presence. From the faint light coming through 399 00:27:02,240 --> 00:27:06,560 Speaker 1: the window in the dark room, I saw an even 400 00:27:06,920 --> 00:27:11,400 Speaker 1: darker silhouette of a man. Oh I got I really 401 00:27:11,440 --> 00:27:16,280 Speaker 1: got chills, wearing a hat and a trench coat on 402 00:27:16,440 --> 00:27:20,879 Speaker 1: the wall next to the closet door, just a few 403 00:27:21,000 --> 00:27:25,480 Speaker 1: feet from the edge of my bed. I'm I'm not kidding. 404 00:27:25,600 --> 00:27:29,320 Speaker 1: Every time I hear this, this revelation of what's behind it, 405 00:27:29,560 --> 00:27:34,400 Speaker 1: especially if it's hat man, I get angry, I get upset, 406 00:27:34,480 --> 00:27:36,480 Speaker 1: I get the chills, I get all of that. It 407 00:27:36,560 --> 00:27:41,040 Speaker 1: doesn't change, and it doesn't go away, and it continues. 408 00:27:41,240 --> 00:27:46,160 Speaker 1: This shadow was distinctly darker than the darkness of the room, 409 00:27:46,520 --> 00:27:51,840 Speaker 1: and the silhouette was defined. His head seemed to stretch 410 00:27:51,920 --> 00:27:57,159 Speaker 1: from the ceiling as though there we go. He was 411 00:27:57,240 --> 00:28:03,040 Speaker 1: seven to eight feet tall. Yeah, yeah, that's that's uh, 412 00:28:03,359 --> 00:28:07,520 Speaker 1: that's pretty common, believe it or not. I tried clearing 413 00:28:07,920 --> 00:28:12,679 Speaker 1: sleep from my eyes, confused, trying to understand what I 414 00:28:12,760 --> 00:28:20,879 Speaker 1: was seeing. This being just stood there, motionless, soundless, seemingly 415 00:28:21,080 --> 00:28:25,760 Speaker 1: gazing at me with the deepest intent, even though there 416 00:28:25,880 --> 00:28:30,440 Speaker 1: was no distinct facial features were lucky for you because 417 00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:35,200 Speaker 1: they're grotesque. It's really really nothing you ever want to experience. 418 00:28:35,280 --> 00:28:41,120 Speaker 1: Trust me, I was not afraid. Okay, I felt nothing 419 00:28:41,560 --> 00:28:45,120 Speaker 1: other than curiosity. Now that that's a common common thing, 420 00:28:45,240 --> 00:28:47,840 Speaker 1: people do say that I wasn't afraid for some reason, 421 00:28:48,440 --> 00:28:50,360 Speaker 1: and some people would even say, well, I felt like 422 00:28:50,400 --> 00:28:54,480 Speaker 1: he was protecting me. Perhaps I've heard it all honestly, 423 00:28:54,600 --> 00:28:57,680 Speaker 1: Guardian Angel, I'm like, Wow, I don't want my Guardian 424 00:28:57,720 --> 00:28:59,480 Speaker 1: Angel to wear a trench coat and stand in the 425 00:28:59,560 --> 00:29:02,880 Speaker 1: darkness staring at me without my permission, with glowing red eyes, 426 00:29:02,920 --> 00:29:05,240 Speaker 1: and God forbid if he smiles. He's got the nastiest 427 00:29:05,240 --> 00:29:08,120 Speaker 1: teeth you've ever seen on the planet. Sharks have nothing 428 00:29:08,240 --> 00:29:13,240 Speaker 1: on hat Man's teeth. He's really got issues. Okay, to continue, 429 00:29:14,160 --> 00:29:18,960 Speaker 1: the presence, didn't feel dark or heavy or display any 430 00:29:19,120 --> 00:29:25,720 Speaker 1: negative energy. It felt more like a still, soundless nothingness, 431 00:29:25,800 --> 00:29:30,880 Speaker 1: void like. It was like a shadow, but richly darker 432 00:29:30,880 --> 00:29:35,160 Speaker 1: in color. Unlike the several shadow figures I had seen 433 00:29:35,160 --> 00:29:38,920 Speaker 1: in the past the corner of my eyes, this shadow 434 00:29:39,000 --> 00:29:42,800 Speaker 1: did not dart away or make any attempt to flee 435 00:29:42,840 --> 00:29:47,600 Speaker 1: from my awareness of its presence, but rather it just 436 00:29:47,880 --> 00:29:54,239 Speaker 1: lingered there, content with looming over me. And I'll tell you, 437 00:29:54,280 --> 00:29:58,040 Speaker 1: I'll stop right here. So shadow people, they do tend 438 00:29:58,080 --> 00:30:00,120 Speaker 1: to dart out of the way. They don't like to 439 00:30:00,160 --> 00:30:02,800 Speaker 1: be spotted because then I don't know, you can defend 440 00:30:02,800 --> 00:30:05,560 Speaker 1: yourself right you see him coming, uh, or they may 441 00:30:05,640 --> 00:30:08,440 Speaker 1: even like charge at you, like they one or the other. 442 00:30:08,640 --> 00:30:11,640 Speaker 1: They do not like to be spotted there rather weak 443 00:30:12,080 --> 00:30:15,920 Speaker 1: hat man m hm. He likes to make sure you 444 00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:20,080 Speaker 1: get a good look like he wants that respect and 445 00:30:20,160 --> 00:30:24,400 Speaker 1: knowing it's him, it's him again. He wants to be recognized. 446 00:30:24,440 --> 00:30:27,560 Speaker 1: He wants it to be known he's out there or 447 00:30:27,640 --> 00:30:31,280 Speaker 1: in there and sticking his fingers in places that he 448 00:30:31,320 --> 00:30:35,080 Speaker 1: really shouldn't. And sometimes I'm pretty sure he's able to 449 00:30:35,160 --> 00:30:39,800 Speaker 1: project what he wants on people, fool them, make them 450 00:30:39,800 --> 00:30:44,200 Speaker 1: feel comfortable, get used to his presence even and uh, yeah, 451 00:30:44,680 --> 00:30:47,760 Speaker 1: it's a it's he plays games. He does, he really does. Okay, 452 00:30:48,080 --> 00:30:52,000 Speaker 1: So to continue, it was as though it wanted me 453 00:30:52,080 --> 00:30:55,200 Speaker 1: to know it was watching me. Oh how funny you 454 00:30:55,320 --> 00:30:58,840 Speaker 1: say the same thing. It seemed as though it had 455 00:30:58,880 --> 00:31:04,200 Speaker 1: a secret something it knew that I didn't, and was 456 00:31:04,400 --> 00:31:08,480 Speaker 1: entertained that I was not privy to this knowledge. Let's 457 00:31:08,520 --> 00:31:12,960 Speaker 1: see that. What a unique projection, What a unique projection? 458 00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:15,960 Speaker 1: Like I got something that you don't. I mean, you 459 00:31:15,960 --> 00:31:18,360 Speaker 1: ever see those cartoons where they're sitting there with their 460 00:31:18,440 --> 00:31:21,840 Speaker 1: hands covered over something. It's old time cartoons, Like I 461 00:31:21,880 --> 00:31:23,960 Speaker 1: got something really cool in here, and everybody wants to 462 00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:26,719 Speaker 1: see it. I think it's an old Tom and Cherry 463 00:31:26,720 --> 00:31:29,120 Speaker 1: cartoon of seeing that, Like, no, no, it's for me, 464 00:31:29,280 --> 00:31:34,320 Speaker 1: it's for me. Oh gosh, that thinks he plays okay, continuing. 465 00:31:34,480 --> 00:31:36,520 Speaker 1: After a couple of minutes of sitting up in my 466 00:31:36,560 --> 00:31:41,239 Speaker 1: bed just staring at the shadow, trying to come up 467 00:31:41,280 --> 00:31:45,240 Speaker 1: with a rational explanation for what I was seeing, I 468 00:31:45,320 --> 00:31:49,920 Speaker 1: turned to look out the bedroom window, thinking maybe I 469 00:31:49,960 --> 00:31:53,240 Speaker 1: would see something interfering with the light coming from a 470 00:31:53,320 --> 00:31:57,400 Speaker 1: street light, causing this dark shadow on my wall. When 471 00:31:57,400 --> 00:32:00,320 Speaker 1: I turned back to face where the shadow had been. 472 00:32:01,560 --> 00:32:05,400 Speaker 1: It was gone. At the time, I was not aware 473 00:32:05,520 --> 00:32:08,719 Speaker 1: of the hat man phenomena. Yeah, I know a lot 474 00:32:08,760 --> 00:32:11,280 Speaker 1: of people still write me and say, I didn't know. 475 00:32:11,320 --> 00:32:13,680 Speaker 1: This is a thing. I had no idea, And a 476 00:32:13,680 --> 00:32:15,960 Speaker 1: lot of people think, oh, it's a topa. It's getting 477 00:32:15,960 --> 00:32:17,840 Speaker 1: put out there in the consciousness of people because they 478 00:32:17,840 --> 00:32:20,760 Speaker 1: saw it somewhere or unconsciously saw it, and and now 479 00:32:20,800 --> 00:32:24,840 Speaker 1: it's manifesting. And I'm like, no, I have people writing 480 00:32:24,880 --> 00:32:29,440 Speaker 1: me saying they saw him once forty years ago. Um, so, yeah, 481 00:32:29,640 --> 00:32:33,800 Speaker 1: that doesn't fit all right, Continuing, I was only aware 482 00:32:33,840 --> 00:32:37,760 Speaker 1: of shadow figures, which I had seen frequently through my life. 483 00:32:38,400 --> 00:32:42,200 Speaker 1: It wasn't until recently that I discovered others had the 484 00:32:42,240 --> 00:32:47,160 Speaker 1: same experience, with almost the exact same details of witnessing 485 00:32:47,760 --> 00:32:51,080 Speaker 1: this hat man. Yeah. You know, I don't know if 486 00:32:51,080 --> 00:32:55,680 Speaker 1: it's always comforting to know others experiences, but I think 487 00:32:55,720 --> 00:32:59,479 Speaker 1: for the most part it is comforting for me. I 488 00:32:59,520 --> 00:33:02,480 Speaker 1: look at it as this big whole of oh no, 489 00:33:03,440 --> 00:33:08,560 Speaker 1: oh no, this is this is spreading and dangerously so, 490 00:33:09,040 --> 00:33:18,720 Speaker 1: and for me seeing this pattern of this spread. Um, 491 00:33:18,760 --> 00:33:21,880 Speaker 1: I was told about a shadow people and hat man 492 00:33:21,960 --> 00:33:26,160 Speaker 1: phenomena as being a warning of time of change. Times. 493 00:33:26,200 --> 00:33:29,600 Speaker 1: Let's call it that. People say apocalypse, end of the times. 494 00:33:30,400 --> 00:33:34,240 Speaker 1: You know, this planet isn't going anywhere. There's old planet okay, 495 00:33:34,320 --> 00:33:37,640 Speaker 1: but it recycles itself and things are shifting, and there 496 00:33:37,640 --> 00:33:42,880 Speaker 1: are things taking advantage of us unknowing humans. And yeah, 497 00:33:42,920 --> 00:33:46,720 Speaker 1: there are parallel universes, their innerdimensionals and all of that 498 00:33:46,720 --> 00:33:48,680 Speaker 1: that are able to peek in, that are able to 499 00:33:48,680 --> 00:33:53,560 Speaker 1: do things, and some are quite horrific and quite greedy. 500 00:33:53,800 --> 00:33:57,000 Speaker 1: I mean, think of some of the early colonists and 501 00:33:57,040 --> 00:33:59,760 Speaker 1: what they did to those who had claimed the land 502 00:33:59,760 --> 00:34:02,600 Speaker 1: before or them if they had a bigger weapon and 503 00:34:02,720 --> 00:34:04,560 Speaker 1: had a way to cleanse the land of them, they 504 00:34:04,560 --> 00:34:08,480 Speaker 1: sure did try, you know. So, um, I don't think 505 00:34:08,480 --> 00:34:12,320 Speaker 1: we're so different from these dark things and negative things 506 00:34:12,400 --> 00:34:16,680 Speaker 1: or lower level things try to take advantage and do 507 00:34:16,840 --> 00:34:20,279 Speaker 1: what they wish, you know. So it's a shame. But 508 00:34:20,960 --> 00:34:23,640 Speaker 1: my goals are trying to make people aware of these 509 00:34:23,640 --> 00:34:27,000 Speaker 1: things being out there so they don't get to shoven 510 00:34:27,080 --> 00:34:31,160 Speaker 1: us off or making us feel as if we have 511 00:34:31,320 --> 00:34:34,160 Speaker 1: to end ourselves. Yeah. Yeah, these things like to whisper 512 00:34:35,200 --> 00:34:39,880 Speaker 1: suicidal things unfortunately to people, um or homicidal things and 513 00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:45,120 Speaker 1: other horrific things or things I don't seem as how 514 00:34:45,120 --> 00:34:48,640 Speaker 1: can I say, as forceful or awful. It might be 515 00:34:48,680 --> 00:34:51,759 Speaker 1: a little whisper you pay attention to, like open up 516 00:34:51,800 --> 00:34:55,960 Speaker 1: the door, huh, and you listen, and then it tries 517 00:34:56,040 --> 00:35:00,880 Speaker 1: to encourage other things, bigger things and uh. With every 518 00:35:00,920 --> 00:35:04,960 Speaker 1: time you pay attention, with every listening that you give it, 519 00:35:05,080 --> 00:35:09,080 Speaker 1: or every bit of attention or energy, it grows and 520 00:35:09,160 --> 00:35:12,080 Speaker 1: it grows in its influence. And it's nothing that you 521 00:35:12,160 --> 00:35:16,160 Speaker 1: really want to have. So show it the door, open 522 00:35:16,200 --> 00:35:19,600 Speaker 1: it for them, and kick them out. How about that? Okay? Alright? Continuing, 523 00:35:21,280 --> 00:35:25,439 Speaker 1: I've experienced many supernatural phenomena throughout my life, but for me, 524 00:35:26,239 --> 00:35:31,880 Speaker 1: these three experiences were linked, like the snake, the devil, 525 00:35:32,680 --> 00:35:36,880 Speaker 1: and the hatman. Sharing my experiences with friends and family 526 00:35:36,920 --> 00:35:40,240 Speaker 1: through the years, I learned that what I was experiencing 527 00:35:40,480 --> 00:35:47,560 Speaker 1: wasn't seen as normal, acceptible, or believable. I've always found 528 00:35:47,560 --> 00:35:51,279 Speaker 1: it difficult to really connect with others freely because no 529 00:35:51,360 --> 00:35:55,200 Speaker 1: one ever shared or could relate to my same experiences. 530 00:35:56,000 --> 00:35:59,400 Speaker 1: Trust me, I get it. I get it um, and 531 00:35:59,640 --> 00:36:03,120 Speaker 1: I love that you're able to see the connection between 532 00:36:03,160 --> 00:36:08,000 Speaker 1: these three entities. I always tell people close your eyes 533 00:36:09,040 --> 00:36:12,800 Speaker 1: and is it feeling negative or if it feels positive, 534 00:36:12,880 --> 00:36:15,879 Speaker 1: then you know, put it in two baskets. Okay, good 535 00:36:15,920 --> 00:36:19,080 Speaker 1: goes over here, bad goes over there. And it seems 536 00:36:19,120 --> 00:36:22,920 Speaker 1: to me that these kind of hang in the same gang, 537 00:36:23,040 --> 00:36:26,759 Speaker 1: if you will um that. Yeah, if they're over on 538 00:36:26,800 --> 00:36:28,680 Speaker 1: that side of the fence, then I would say that 539 00:36:28,760 --> 00:36:32,960 Speaker 1: they are not good guys. They do kind of work 540 00:36:33,000 --> 00:36:37,200 Speaker 1: with each other, But has there ever been uh solidarity 541 00:36:37,239 --> 00:36:39,919 Speaker 1: and a gang of thieves you know or criminals? Now, 542 00:36:40,120 --> 00:36:43,200 Speaker 1: they have selfish needs and wants and things that they 543 00:36:43,239 --> 00:36:46,520 Speaker 1: want to do themselves, so there's no harmony, but they 544 00:36:46,560 --> 00:36:49,399 Speaker 1: do kind of try to work together in a way 545 00:36:49,440 --> 00:36:52,560 Speaker 1: to break a person down, to question who they are, 546 00:36:52,880 --> 00:36:57,560 Speaker 1: and to uh I think differently, to vibe at a 547 00:36:57,600 --> 00:37:02,440 Speaker 1: different wavelength, anything and everything that could break a person 548 00:37:03,440 --> 00:37:06,680 Speaker 1: in the direction that isolates them, that makes them not 549 00:37:06,719 --> 00:37:09,160 Speaker 1: feel as close to their parents, Like hello, your dad 550 00:37:09,200 --> 00:37:11,120 Speaker 1: wasn't coming in a check in on you anymore, because 551 00:37:11,400 --> 00:37:13,400 Speaker 1: what was he thinking? You know, like, because it's my 552 00:37:13,480 --> 00:37:15,920 Speaker 1: kid and he's imagining things. Don't want anything to do 553 00:37:16,000 --> 00:37:18,719 Speaker 1: with it. I don't know, you know, but it created 554 00:37:18,800 --> 00:37:23,239 Speaker 1: a division and it breaks down people When those divisions form, 555 00:37:23,320 --> 00:37:25,839 Speaker 1: it makes them a little bit less stronger. And then 556 00:37:26,080 --> 00:37:28,440 Speaker 1: you know, other things try to move in and to 557 00:37:28,560 --> 00:37:32,879 Speaker 1: seem like the comforter, uh, the guardian, Uh, the thing 558 00:37:32,960 --> 00:37:36,560 Speaker 1: that you turn to, the thing that you're more familiar with. 559 00:37:37,040 --> 00:37:40,239 Speaker 1: I have literally had people tell me how, oh hat 560 00:37:40,280 --> 00:37:42,799 Speaker 1: Man stood up for me against my abuse of dad, 561 00:37:42,960 --> 00:37:46,240 Speaker 1: or hat Man let me go to sleep, he tucked 562 00:37:46,280 --> 00:37:50,760 Speaker 1: me in. Can you imagine? Can you imagine? And people 563 00:37:51,360 --> 00:37:54,160 Speaker 1: they were usually children when this would happen, so they 564 00:37:54,320 --> 00:37:58,319 Speaker 1: would try to gain that confidence and uh and kind 565 00:37:58,320 --> 00:38:01,400 Speaker 1: of take ownership of him, take the the place of 566 00:38:01,440 --> 00:38:06,759 Speaker 1: a missing or absent parrot. Disturbing. All right, We're going 567 00:38:06,800 --> 00:38:08,879 Speaker 1: to get to our next break. There's more to come 568 00:38:08,960 --> 00:38:11,319 Speaker 1: you guys. You are listening to Dark that Comes Light 569 00:38:11,440 --> 00:38:14,759 Speaker 1: with me Heidi Hollis on the I Heart Radio and 570 00:38:14,920 --> 00:38:19,319 Speaker 1: Coast to Coast am Paranormal Podcast Network. To around, I'll 571 00:38:19,360 --> 00:38:45,000 Speaker 1: be right back, Welcome back. You are listening to Dark 572 00:38:45,080 --> 00:38:48,080 Speaker 1: Becomes Light with me Heidi Hollis on the I Heart 573 00:38:48,160 --> 00:38:52,800 Speaker 1: Radio and Coast to Coast a am para Normal Podcast Network. 574 00:38:53,160 --> 00:38:57,360 Speaker 1: Today we are digging into a massive story in regards 575 00:38:57,400 --> 00:39:01,880 Speaker 1: to Gregory's life and dealing with shadow people and hat 576 00:39:01,960 --> 00:39:06,520 Speaker 1: Man and the devil himself. You know, your typical paranormal life. 577 00:39:06,719 --> 00:39:09,120 Speaker 1: I mean, come on, when you've been in this field 578 00:39:09,160 --> 00:39:12,040 Speaker 1: for a bit, I made I'm like, of course, you know, welcome, 579 00:39:12,239 --> 00:39:14,279 Speaker 1: welcome to the club that nobody wants to belong to. 580 00:39:14,719 --> 00:39:17,799 Speaker 1: And that's you know, serious and and funny at the 581 00:39:17,840 --> 00:39:22,360 Speaker 1: same time, because it is not easy. So um, so 582 00:39:22,360 --> 00:39:25,640 Speaker 1: I'm gonna continue here with Gregory's email um to finish 583 00:39:25,719 --> 00:39:29,000 Speaker 1: us off and then address any questions if he has 584 00:39:29,040 --> 00:39:32,200 Speaker 1: some here, all right, so continuous, it says, again, an 585 00:39:32,239 --> 00:39:37,880 Speaker 1: aspect of my life that's separated from everyone else, secluded alone. 586 00:39:38,840 --> 00:39:41,480 Speaker 1: I learned that for me to assimilate in the world, 587 00:39:41,640 --> 00:39:45,520 Speaker 1: I had to keep these experiences to myself and not 588 00:39:45,680 --> 00:39:51,680 Speaker 1: discuss openly with people. That's another aspect um. Today, more 589 00:39:51,680 --> 00:39:54,319 Speaker 1: and more people are coming forward telling their stories of 590 00:39:54,360 --> 00:39:59,880 Speaker 1: supernatural experiences or unexplainable phenomena. It has been a blessed 591 00:40:00,200 --> 00:40:03,480 Speaker 1: to find and connect with those through social media who 592 00:40:03,719 --> 00:40:07,719 Speaker 1: share my same experiences. A lifetime of knowing this other 593 00:40:07,760 --> 00:40:11,719 Speaker 1: world existed and that these other beings were real, but 594 00:40:12,040 --> 00:40:18,200 Speaker 1: never having validation or confirmation through shared experiences to finally 595 00:40:18,239 --> 00:40:21,400 Speaker 1: find others who have also lived between that veil of 596 00:40:21,480 --> 00:40:26,360 Speaker 1: both worlds, who share many of my same experiences. To 597 00:40:26,480 --> 00:40:29,719 Speaker 1: find that validation, to finally not feel alone in this 598 00:40:29,880 --> 00:40:36,680 Speaker 1: quest for understanding has been the greatest gift. I hope 599 00:40:36,840 --> 00:40:40,000 Speaker 1: that by sharing part of my story, I can return 600 00:40:40,200 --> 00:40:43,960 Speaker 1: that same gift to others. I have always been spiritual, 601 00:40:44,239 --> 00:40:47,640 Speaker 1: raised in church, and believed in Jesus and his message. 602 00:40:48,200 --> 00:40:52,720 Speaker 1: I don't believe in coincidences. Amen to that, I believe 603 00:40:52,960 --> 00:40:58,680 Speaker 1: everything happens for a reason, even being led to this forum, 604 00:40:58,760 --> 00:41:02,240 Speaker 1: Heidi A again, thank you so much for your courage, 605 00:41:02,320 --> 00:41:05,960 Speaker 1: for pioneering the way, for being the voice for those 606 00:41:06,080 --> 00:41:10,520 Speaker 1: of us that were never heard. Your true blessing and 607 00:41:10,680 --> 00:41:17,799 Speaker 1: much appreciated. Gregory. Wow, you know you know it is 608 00:41:18,000 --> 00:41:21,440 Speaker 1: uh it's it's emails like that. Honestly, even to just 609 00:41:21,480 --> 00:41:24,840 Speaker 1: get one, it totally makes us all worth it, because 610 00:41:24,920 --> 00:41:29,440 Speaker 1: greg I've been right where you're at. Of course, um, 611 00:41:29,560 --> 00:41:32,480 Speaker 1: when we go into these fields, it's because we were 612 00:41:32,480 --> 00:41:35,440 Speaker 1: trying to find answers and we couldn't find it, and 613 00:41:35,640 --> 00:41:38,840 Speaker 1: uh so we we struggled, and and it's like, well, gosh, 614 00:41:38,840 --> 00:41:41,480 Speaker 1: if I'm curious about this, others must be curious too, 615 00:41:41,520 --> 00:41:45,279 Speaker 1: and and so suddenly we find ourselves writing the book 616 00:41:45,320 --> 00:41:49,000 Speaker 1: we never thought we'd have to write. UM. And you 617 00:41:49,040 --> 00:41:53,919 Speaker 1: know it is, Uh, it's a very lonely and isolating 618 00:41:54,120 --> 00:41:57,600 Speaker 1: thing to be involved in to any great extent, I mean, 619 00:41:57,680 --> 00:42:00,879 Speaker 1: any any sleepless night or something like this. It's it's 620 00:42:00,920 --> 00:42:04,040 Speaker 1: not easy, it really isn't. I was fortunate enough that 621 00:42:04,080 --> 00:42:07,160 Speaker 1: I had siblings who had experienced things right alongside of me. 622 00:42:07,560 --> 00:42:10,640 Speaker 1: UM and our haunted house I grew up in, UM, 623 00:42:11,239 --> 00:42:15,239 Speaker 1: and you know, as horrifying as it was, it was 624 00:42:15,440 --> 00:42:18,719 Speaker 1: comforting to know you saw that too. Okay, Okay, yeah, 625 00:42:18,760 --> 00:42:21,480 Speaker 1: me too, all right, So I wasn't having to go 626 00:42:21,680 --> 00:42:26,520 Speaker 1: to an empty house and sit there alone as you did. UM. 627 00:42:26,600 --> 00:42:28,880 Speaker 1: It has happened to me though, and something that you 628 00:42:29,000 --> 00:42:31,560 Speaker 1: shared here where UM I believe you might have heard 629 00:42:31,600 --> 00:42:33,680 Speaker 1: me talk about here on the show. I thought my 630 00:42:33,800 --> 00:42:37,040 Speaker 1: sister was home and she wasn't. Turns out I was 631 00:42:37,080 --> 00:42:40,320 Speaker 1: alone and things had come to life and the house 632 00:42:40,360 --> 00:42:44,279 Speaker 1: pretty much and just to realize, oh my gosh, I 633 00:42:44,400 --> 00:42:48,279 Speaker 1: was alone, really alone. UM. I've been in the situations 634 00:42:48,320 --> 00:42:52,480 Speaker 1: where things like to get you isolated and then it 635 00:42:52,640 --> 00:42:56,480 Speaker 1: raised their crazy flag at you. You know, um, and 636 00:42:56,840 --> 00:43:00,399 Speaker 1: you know, in college, this is not a top that 637 00:43:00,880 --> 00:43:04,560 Speaker 1: you really start discussing with your friends either if you 638 00:43:04,600 --> 00:43:09,080 Speaker 1: want to remain within a group, because as a lady, 639 00:43:09,360 --> 00:43:12,280 Speaker 1: a lot of ladies do get more scared than guys, 640 00:43:12,440 --> 00:43:14,799 Speaker 1: you know, on these topics. But I don't know, the 641 00:43:14,960 --> 00:43:17,920 Speaker 1: field is kind of evening out there now, and I 642 00:43:17,960 --> 00:43:22,520 Speaker 1: believe it or not. I learned that about seventy of 643 00:43:22,560 --> 00:43:27,520 Speaker 1: those who listen to shows like this are women, So 644 00:43:28,040 --> 00:43:30,440 Speaker 1: it's I don't know who my friends are. My goodness. 645 00:43:30,880 --> 00:43:34,880 Speaker 1: It was not easy though, trying to relate, because I 646 00:43:34,960 --> 00:43:37,759 Speaker 1: was like, oh, my goodness, I just fart from my 647 00:43:37,840 --> 00:43:40,239 Speaker 1: life last night, and I gotta sit here and talk 648 00:43:40,239 --> 00:43:43,160 Speaker 1: about makeup. No, I really don't want to. I really 649 00:43:43,160 --> 00:43:45,520 Speaker 1: want to tell you what's going on. So but so 650 00:43:45,560 --> 00:43:48,920 Speaker 1: it's reassuring to hear that more ladies have stepped into this. 651 00:43:49,000 --> 00:43:53,680 Speaker 1: But in college and throughout most of my life, I 652 00:43:53,760 --> 00:43:57,839 Speaker 1: did have those around me who, you know, i'd try 653 00:43:57,920 --> 00:44:01,040 Speaker 1: not to share that big part of your life with 654 00:44:01,120 --> 00:44:04,560 Speaker 1: us because we just can't handle it. And that's a shame. 655 00:44:04,960 --> 00:44:08,439 Speaker 1: And uh, here I am. I'm writing books. I fly 656 00:44:08,520 --> 00:44:11,719 Speaker 1: off to go and lecture someplace at times, and or 657 00:44:11,760 --> 00:44:16,480 Speaker 1: do a TV show, but I can't talk about these 658 00:44:16,480 --> 00:44:19,120 Speaker 1: things with a lot of people. So I am in 659 00:44:19,160 --> 00:44:21,840 Speaker 1: that same boat Gregory. And and yeah, it's a relief 660 00:44:21,840 --> 00:44:25,120 Speaker 1: to chat with people still for me online or on 661 00:44:25,200 --> 00:44:28,520 Speaker 1: this show, um on the phone, you know, and people 662 00:44:28,560 --> 00:44:30,879 Speaker 1: called me on social media all the time. And that's 663 00:44:30,920 --> 00:44:33,319 Speaker 1: one of the reasons why I announced please find me 664 00:44:33,360 --> 00:44:38,040 Speaker 1: on Clubhouse in my group shadow People and hat Man Encounters. 665 00:44:38,080 --> 00:44:40,520 Speaker 1: I'm just putting that out there again because it's important, 666 00:44:40,920 --> 00:44:44,200 Speaker 1: because I get it if people want to talk, and 667 00:44:44,239 --> 00:44:47,920 Speaker 1: it's needed, it is so needed. It's a shame people 668 00:44:48,000 --> 00:44:51,680 Speaker 1: really can't turn to the person that's been at their 669 00:44:51,719 --> 00:44:53,680 Speaker 1: side for most of their life, or or that they're 670 00:44:53,719 --> 00:44:57,360 Speaker 1: married into. A lot of people can't handle these conversations. 671 00:44:57,400 --> 00:45:02,480 Speaker 1: So you know, greg definitely, I should say Gregory definitely. 672 00:45:03,840 --> 00:45:07,000 Speaker 1: It's uh, it's it's very helpful that you took the 673 00:45:07,040 --> 00:45:11,160 Speaker 1: step forward to allow me to share your story here 674 00:45:11,719 --> 00:45:13,719 Speaker 1: on this program. And you know, for a lot of 675 00:45:13,760 --> 00:45:16,399 Speaker 1: people are like, well, you you think something was there? 676 00:45:16,520 --> 00:45:19,120 Speaker 1: You had a thought you were four years old. I mean, 677 00:45:19,120 --> 00:45:22,799 Speaker 1: why would this bother you? Gregory? Oh my goodness. So 678 00:45:22,880 --> 00:45:26,759 Speaker 1: many times people have told me I saw something when 679 00:45:26,800 --> 00:45:29,920 Speaker 1: I was a toddler once and hat man destroyed my life. 680 00:45:30,880 --> 00:45:35,600 Speaker 1: I mean really seriously, once, just once, and to have 681 00:45:36,040 --> 00:45:39,160 Speaker 1: more than that happened to a person, it can really 682 00:45:39,239 --> 00:45:43,719 Speaker 1: be uh disabling. I mean, your whole idea of what 683 00:45:43,760 --> 00:45:46,200 Speaker 1: this world is made up of, it just gets shaken up. 684 00:45:46,800 --> 00:45:49,000 Speaker 1: And then you can't tell anybody, and then you got 685 00:45:49,000 --> 00:45:51,400 Speaker 1: to go to work and pretend you're like everybody else, 686 00:45:51,719 --> 00:45:53,160 Speaker 1: and then you got to go to the grocery store, 687 00:45:53,480 --> 00:45:55,160 Speaker 1: and then you gotta go home and cut and you 688 00:45:55,200 --> 00:45:57,400 Speaker 1: gotta make sure the kids are off to school. You know, 689 00:45:57,440 --> 00:46:02,359 Speaker 1: it's and it's like, don't contemplate what happened to you 690 00:46:02,440 --> 00:46:04,160 Speaker 1: where you fought for your life or you felt you 691 00:46:04,200 --> 00:46:08,360 Speaker 1: were threatened or something from another veil was watching you. 692 00:46:10,120 --> 00:46:14,759 Speaker 1: I am pretty darned certain that we balance between two 693 00:46:14,760 --> 00:46:18,279 Speaker 1: different worlds here, if not more. I know that for 694 00:46:18,400 --> 00:46:23,160 Speaker 1: myself it has been challenging. It really has been, I 695 00:46:24,000 --> 00:46:27,560 Speaker 1: especially more recently starting up again for myself where I 696 00:46:27,600 --> 00:46:30,800 Speaker 1: am just like I know, I go to another city 697 00:46:31,080 --> 00:46:33,600 Speaker 1: and it's not a city that I can recognize here 698 00:46:33,680 --> 00:46:37,200 Speaker 1: to be on this plane of existence. And I go 699 00:46:37,280 --> 00:46:40,600 Speaker 1: to another city and it's not the Crystal city either, 700 00:46:40,719 --> 00:46:43,680 Speaker 1: I've talked about that here on the show. Um, that's 701 00:46:43,680 --> 00:46:46,400 Speaker 1: a more spiritual place. I'm talking about a real nuts 702 00:46:46,400 --> 00:46:51,200 Speaker 1: and bolts city where it's really industrialized and there's a 703 00:46:51,200 --> 00:46:54,480 Speaker 1: lot of people and kind of reminds me of Chicago. 704 00:46:54,560 --> 00:46:56,920 Speaker 1: I did live there for a long time. And but 705 00:46:56,960 --> 00:47:01,319 Speaker 1: then it's not it's really strange type of place. And 706 00:47:02,120 --> 00:47:05,280 Speaker 1: but it's very much like this place. So but people 707 00:47:05,280 --> 00:47:08,040 Speaker 1: are just a little bit more cold there, believe it 708 00:47:08,120 --> 00:47:11,400 Speaker 1: or not, if you could imagine. Um, So I get it, 709 00:47:12,520 --> 00:47:15,200 Speaker 1: I do. I I go to this this other place. 710 00:47:15,239 --> 00:47:20,080 Speaker 1: But then I also, UM have this very very unique 711 00:47:20,239 --> 00:47:23,520 Speaker 1: um um how can I say? I don't know if 712 00:47:23,520 --> 00:47:27,400 Speaker 1: it's a talent, um happenstance. It's just something that takes 713 00:47:27,440 --> 00:47:32,520 Speaker 1: place where I find myself inside of people or next 714 00:47:32,560 --> 00:47:35,800 Speaker 1: to them, trying to help them out with something. And 715 00:47:36,560 --> 00:47:42,040 Speaker 1: oddly enough, at times these people have found me and 716 00:47:42,080 --> 00:47:45,600 Speaker 1: they're like, oh my goodness, who are you. I dreamt 717 00:47:45,600 --> 00:47:47,480 Speaker 1: about you. You saved my life, or you help me 718 00:47:47,520 --> 00:47:49,880 Speaker 1: with this or that, and and I mean this stuff 719 00:47:49,920 --> 00:47:52,480 Speaker 1: started like a long time ago where I'd get these 720 00:47:52,800 --> 00:47:57,359 Speaker 1: emails about that and sometimes letters back then. Um, and 721 00:47:57,560 --> 00:47:59,520 Speaker 1: you know, I just had a UFO website up that 722 00:47:59,600 --> 00:48:04,840 Speaker 1: most people didn't have back then as a website, and 723 00:48:04,920 --> 00:48:07,280 Speaker 1: you know, if people would just be like, holy smokes, 724 00:48:07,440 --> 00:48:09,960 Speaker 1: how to how the heck? And who the heck? So, 725 00:48:10,400 --> 00:48:12,520 Speaker 1: and then these people will send a photo sometime and yeah, 726 00:48:12,560 --> 00:48:15,680 Speaker 1: they did look familiar. So I don't know what that is, 727 00:48:16,640 --> 00:48:21,640 Speaker 1: not fully, not clearly, but I have now learned. UM. 728 00:48:21,680 --> 00:48:26,400 Speaker 1: In the church, the Catholic Church, they call it by location. Again, 729 00:48:26,440 --> 00:48:29,480 Speaker 1: that's something that you know, you kind of hear of 730 00:48:29,520 --> 00:48:32,920 Speaker 1: these things, but I just I really didn't know. I 731 00:48:32,960 --> 00:48:35,400 Speaker 1: really didn't know. So, so what is going on in 732 00:48:35,440 --> 00:48:38,640 Speaker 1: this world? Why are we having these types of experiences 733 00:48:38,719 --> 00:48:42,960 Speaker 1: where we're able to see things that others don't or 734 00:48:43,000 --> 00:48:46,120 Speaker 1: feel things that others don't. I have a good understanding 735 00:48:46,160 --> 00:48:48,840 Speaker 1: about why that is for myself now, and it's a 736 00:48:49,000 --> 00:48:51,000 Speaker 1: It's something that I've hinted at before here on this 737 00:48:51,040 --> 00:48:55,840 Speaker 1: show that I'm going to be exploring further sooner than later. UM. 738 00:48:56,120 --> 00:49:00,359 Speaker 1: I am writing several new books right now, and it's 739 00:49:00,400 --> 00:49:03,360 Speaker 1: something I'm exploring that I just never thought i'd be 740 00:49:03,440 --> 00:49:07,399 Speaker 1: here talking about UM. But it's something that was brought 741 00:49:07,480 --> 00:49:10,880 Speaker 1: up on a few different shows by a journalist that 742 00:49:11,320 --> 00:49:13,719 Speaker 1: I know, uh so yeah, I mean, it's so much 743 00:49:13,760 --> 00:49:16,480 Speaker 1: to explore in this lifetime. I never ever would have 744 00:49:16,520 --> 00:49:20,320 Speaker 1: expected to be the situation that I am. But Gregory, 745 00:49:20,360 --> 00:49:22,560 Speaker 1: I'm sure the same as for you. And again, this 746 00:49:22,640 --> 00:49:25,760 Speaker 1: is really really helpful that you took this step forward, 747 00:49:26,400 --> 00:49:29,120 Speaker 1: uh to try to help people, and I mean I 748 00:49:29,120 --> 00:49:31,719 Speaker 1: applaud you when a lot of people really would not. 749 00:49:31,920 --> 00:49:35,640 Speaker 1: And I think that again, how do we get the answers? 750 00:49:35,680 --> 00:49:39,960 Speaker 1: How do we find out? Is by joining together, by 751 00:49:40,160 --> 00:49:45,280 Speaker 1: having these conversations, talking it out and sharing. And again, um, 752 00:49:45,360 --> 00:49:48,080 Speaker 1: you know, I welcome anybody to go to my main website, 753 00:49:48,080 --> 00:49:52,160 Speaker 1: which is Heidi Hollis dot com or shadow Folks dot 754 00:49:52,160 --> 00:49:55,480 Speaker 1: com and send me your experiences. What is it that's 755 00:49:55,520 --> 00:49:57,920 Speaker 1: going on out there? Doesn't always have to be the 756 00:49:58,040 --> 00:50:01,719 Speaker 1: dark and horrific things that people have going on. I 757 00:50:01,880 --> 00:50:05,720 Speaker 1: cover a lot of topics, um, Jesus encounters and angel encounters, 758 00:50:05,760 --> 00:50:08,040 Speaker 1: all of that. I've got books on these topics as well, 759 00:50:08,360 --> 00:50:14,400 Speaker 1: and I love when people can recognize we have combining 760 00:50:14,560 --> 00:50:18,919 Speaker 1: and conflicting experiences, good and bad, so share those as well, 761 00:50:19,040 --> 00:50:23,440 Speaker 1: and again find me on clubhouse, go to my club 762 00:50:23,560 --> 00:50:27,520 Speaker 1: on their shadow People and hat Man encounters and that's 763 00:50:27,560 --> 00:50:30,200 Speaker 1: how these conversations. I want to hear what's going on 764 00:50:30,239 --> 00:50:35,360 Speaker 1: in your world, and as always, this has been very fascinating. 765 00:50:35,400 --> 00:50:39,319 Speaker 1: Thank you again, Gregory for sharing your story and for 766 00:50:39,360 --> 00:50:43,240 Speaker 1: everybody that's listening. You have been listening to Dark Becomes 767 00:50:43,280 --> 00:50:46,520 Speaker 1: Light with me Heidi Hollis on the I Heart Radio 768 00:50:46,840 --> 00:50:51,160 Speaker 1: and Coast to Coast a UM Paranormal podcast Network. We'll 769 00:50:51,200 --> 00:50:58,919 Speaker 1: see you next time. Stay safe, everybody good club. Well, 770 00:50:58,960 --> 00:51:02,200 Speaker 1: if you like this of Dark Becomes Light, wait till 771 00:51:02,239 --> 00:51:04,600 Speaker 1: you hear the next one. You've been listening to the 772 00:51:04,680 --> 00:51:08,800 Speaker 1: I Heart Radio and Coast Coast AM Paranormal Podcast Network 773 00:51:12,280 --> 00:51:12,320 Speaker 1: m