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We're going to talk about 0:02:20.240 --> 0:02:24.880 the Tunguska event. And this was originally suggested by Joseph 0:02:25.080 --> 0:02:27.760 way back in two thousand fifteen, which kind of seems 0:02:27.760 --> 0:02:29.639 like it was just yesterday. But that was a long 0:02:29.680 --> 0:02:32.960 time ago. I gotta be honest with you. I kind 0:02:33.040 --> 0:02:37.800 of thought we had covered this story. No, I've read 0:02:38.080 --> 0:02:41.120 enough about this, and this was seems just kind of 0:02:41.320 --> 0:02:43.240 our bag back in the day. When we were doing 0:02:43.280 --> 0:02:46.760 the twenty five minute episodes, we totally must have covered 0:02:46.840 --> 0:02:50.880 that one. Oh my god, start on the list. Yeah, sorry, 0:02:51.200 --> 0:02:56.600 we didn't do it. We're gonna right now, though maybe 0:02:57.360 --> 0:03:01.760 probably not much longer though sorry everyone know you like 0:03:01.840 --> 0:03:05.959 those long ones. But it's not going to be this one. Actually, this, actually, 0:03:06.040 --> 0:03:10.440 this particular event has been thoroughly explored by some very 0:03:10.480 --> 0:03:18.600 credible scientists. Scientists incredible, some not, yeah, some some of both. So, 0:03:18.800 --> 0:03:23.120 if you are unfamiliar with the Tunguska event, I happened 0:03:23.720 --> 0:03:28.560 hundred and ten years ago in June of nineteen o 0:03:28.720 --> 0:03:33.400 eight thirty of June, to be exact, A huge like 0:03:33.720 --> 0:03:41.160 huge like like huge explosion isn't even pronouncible anymore, dude, Yeah, 0:03:41.720 --> 0:03:46.480 a huge explosion rocked the isolated area of Siberia called 0:03:46.560 --> 0:03:51.040 the isolated Area of Siberia. Like they're not isolated, No, 0:03:51.120 --> 0:03:54.600 I'm sorry, it's a specific isolated area. No, no, it's 0:03:54.600 --> 0:03:56.920 not even more. It's just one of these, one of 0:03:57.000 --> 0:04:00.640 the isolated areas, because all of Siberia, Siberia, it's isolated. 0:04:01.400 --> 0:04:05.040 But this one had the name. It's called governance, now 0:04:05.160 --> 0:04:06.720 called something else that I'm not going to be able 0:04:06.760 --> 0:04:10.720 to pronounce that was pretty close. This event took place 0:04:10.880 --> 0:04:15.480 close to the stony Tunguska River, which is apparently the 0:04:15.600 --> 0:04:18.920 only way to identify things out there. So it's called 0:04:18.960 --> 0:04:23.400 the Tunguska event even though Tungusca isn't a place. Actually, yeah, 0:04:23.560 --> 0:04:26.159 there is a town called Tungusca, but it's not exactly 0:04:26.200 --> 0:04:31.480 where the event took place. But hundred two. I'm also 0:04:32.920 --> 0:04:36.080 I don't know you might know this when that became 0:04:36.120 --> 0:04:42.920 a place and if it became a place after memorium recognition. 0:04:43.080 --> 0:04:46.320 But also, by the way, this this place does show 0:04:46.360 --> 0:04:48.640 off that the actual creator, not that they were. The 0:04:48.680 --> 0:04:51.680 impact site does show up on Google Maps. Look, well 0:04:51.760 --> 0:04:55.280 the event area think we'll call it. Yeah, I mean 0:04:55.320 --> 0:04:57.680 it's marked on Google It's like you can't actually see 0:04:58.080 --> 0:05:00.919 the see it on Trontal line around it. You can 0:05:00.960 --> 0:05:04.080 see it on Google Earth though. Yeah. Yeah, super super 0:05:04.160 --> 0:05:09.279 iceolated place. Like we said, it's Siberia. To this day, 0:05:09.480 --> 0:05:13.360 no one really knows what caused the explosion. The explosion 0:05:13.440 --> 0:05:14.960 is so big that it blew the h off of it. 0:05:15.400 --> 0:05:19.599 So it was big, hundreds of square miles of devastation. 0:05:19.760 --> 0:05:22.839 It was, so let's get into it. But just quickly. 0:05:23.240 --> 0:05:25.160 It's not a little ears warning. I just want to 0:05:25.240 --> 0:05:28.680 mention that at this time in Russia they were still 0:05:29.000 --> 0:05:34.560 on the June Julian thank you calendar. I was like, Gregorian, no, 0:05:34.760 --> 0:05:38.839 that's right now. So a lot of the eyewitness accounts 0:05:38.880 --> 0:05:42.000 and things you'll read say that it happened on June seventeenth, 0:05:42.080 --> 0:05:44.240 not June. But I just want to get this out 0:05:44.279 --> 0:05:46.040 of the way so we're not getting emails from people 0:05:46.040 --> 0:05:51.360 who are like, you dummy. We're so used to having 0:05:51.440 --> 0:05:55.200 one calendar that there's even people today that under different calendars. 0:05:55.240 --> 0:06:00.200 But the Gregorian calendar started, and I believe greg there 0:06:01.080 --> 0:06:04.000 decided to knock eleven days off of October because apparently 0:06:04.080 --> 0:06:05.920 people thought October was getting too good of a deal, 0:06:06.480 --> 0:06:09.480 so they took eleven days out, and so everything kind 0:06:09.520 --> 0:06:12.520 of shifted, is so, but not everybody shifted to the 0:06:12.600 --> 0:06:15.720 Gregorian calendar right away. Yeah, you know, the calendar has 0:06:15.720 --> 0:06:17.360 been moved around a couple of times. I know there 0:06:17.480 --> 0:06:21.880 was at some point that the Russian people were on 0:06:21.960 --> 0:06:27.479 a different calendar that had them two or three thousand 0:06:27.680 --> 0:06:30.600 years ahead of the rest of the world. As in 0:06:30.720 --> 0:06:34.559 everybody said, it's nineteen o two and they're like, nope, 0:06:34.720 --> 0:06:38.120 it's sixty two oh five, Like there was just this weird. 0:06:38.120 --> 0:06:40.160 I don't know the exact numbers, but they did it 0:06:40.240 --> 0:06:42.720 a number of times. They shifted their calendar. Makes it 0:06:42.960 --> 0:06:45.480 super confusing. But you know, actually we are reaching that 0:06:45.520 --> 0:06:47.720 point in our society where there's gonna be enough trek. 0:06:47.800 --> 0:06:49.840 He's out there. They'll take over Congress and probably the 0:06:49.880 --> 0:06:52.640 White House, and it's gonna be started. It's like started 0:06:53.200 --> 0:06:55.160 three or seven or something like that here pretty quick, 0:06:55.240 --> 0:06:58.839 I think so too. Yeah, you put in you anyway, 0:06:59.120 --> 0:07:02.080 let's see it again to this or away off track already, 0:07:02.160 --> 0:07:04.040 we're going to make this more than five minutes, no 0:07:04.120 --> 0:07:06.920 matter what you sure are. I'm really sorry everyone else. 0:07:07.520 --> 0:07:13.000 As mentioned, the morning of the thirty of June nineteen 0:07:13.040 --> 0:07:17.160 o eight, an explosion that modern day scientists estimate was 0:07:17.240 --> 0:07:21.920 anywhere between oh was anywhere from sorry fifteen to twenty 0:07:22.000 --> 0:07:26.840 mega tons, caused about seven hundred and seventy square miles, 0:07:26.880 --> 0:07:29.960 which is about two thousand square kilometers of trees to 0:07:30.120 --> 0:07:33.320 just blow right over. For those of us who have 0:07:33.440 --> 0:07:36.239 to look this sort of thing up. The atomic bomb 0:07:36.400 --> 0:07:41.440 that we set off in Hiroshima was about fifteen kilo tons, 0:07:41.720 --> 0:07:46.480 which means right, yeah, So that means that the blast 0:07:46.720 --> 0:07:49.760 was at this estimate, at minimum one thousand times more 0:07:49.800 --> 0:07:53.680 powerfer than that atomic bomb, which is pretty powerful. In 0:07:54.200 --> 0:07:59.600 nineteen o eight, also reportedly, though the blast completely flattened 0:07:59.760 --> 0:08:02.760 all of the trees, there were officially no reported deaths 0:08:02.840 --> 0:08:09.880 of humans were actually underneath the trees. The trees the reindeer. Actually, 0:08:09.960 --> 0:08:13.800 the reindeer did die, a lot of a lot of 0:08:13.960 --> 0:08:19.320 wildlife did, yeah, but no humans specifically because of the blast. 0:08:19.960 --> 0:08:24.080 At about seven am local time, natives and Russian settlers 0:08:24.080 --> 0:08:26.720 in the area reported seeing a bluish column of light, 0:08:27.200 --> 0:08:29.600 nearly as bright as the sun, streaking through the sky. 0:08:30.400 --> 0:08:33.760 About ten minutes later, a very loud boom, a very loud, 0:08:34.080 --> 0:08:37.160 it's kind of an understatement, a very loud boom was heard, 0:08:37.320 --> 0:08:39.880 and a shock wave powerful enough to knock people to 0:08:39.960 --> 0:08:42.720 the ground and shatter windows was felt hundreds of miles 0:08:42.880 --> 0:08:46.599 and kilometers away. Both and most of the eyewitness of 0:08:46.920 --> 0:08:49.720 reports actually came from towns that are hundreds of miles 0:08:49.760 --> 0:08:53.360 away but felt shock waves that they likened to tremors 0:08:53.880 --> 0:08:57.760 or earthquakes. And it's at its actually estimated that many 0:08:57.880 --> 0:09:03.480 of those tremors were of equivalent to uh about a 0:09:03.720 --> 0:09:09.839 five point earthquake, so it was not a nothing. That's 0:09:09.840 --> 0:09:12.920 a pretty big shake of the earth. The explosion also 0:09:13.040 --> 0:09:18.640 caused some interesting atmospheric phenomenon, including reports that the night 0:09:18.720 --> 0:09:22.000 sky in Asia and Europe had a glowy quality to them. 0:09:22.200 --> 0:09:28.200 That is a technical term. Um no, more like glowy, 0:09:28.400 --> 0:09:31.679 not like lights, kind of just like a shimmery ear 0:09:31.760 --> 0:09:37.079 descence to it, Yeah, kind of. Yeah. Some people reported 0:09:37.559 --> 0:09:42.920 that the blast sound they heard sounded like it moved 0:09:43.080 --> 0:09:45.440 east to north, but I don't know if that really matters. 0:09:45.600 --> 0:09:49.000 And also those people's positions weren't aren't really specified, so 0:09:49.080 --> 0:09:52.440 I don't know how helpful that is. Probably changees depending 0:09:52.440 --> 0:09:56.720 on where vantage point is. It would assume this area 0:09:56.760 --> 0:09:59.480 of Siberia so remote that it took more than a 0:09:59.600 --> 0:10:02.400 decade for the first investigators to come and try figure 0:10:02.400 --> 0:10:05.679 out what exactly had happened. Actually, the Russian Civil War 0:10:05.800 --> 0:10:08.079 was also happening during this time, so it took almost 0:10:08.120 --> 0:10:12.679 two decades. It was wasn't until nineteen seven that um 0:10:12.800 --> 0:10:16.079 An exploration made it out there. Yeah. I think this 0:10:16.520 --> 0:10:20.760 guy was his name La Kulik. Yeah, Yeah, apparently he'd 0:10:20.800 --> 0:10:23.599 been out there like you know, six years earlier on 0:10:23.760 --> 0:10:27.240 some unrelated matter, early stories of this big, huge kaboom. 0:10:27.520 --> 0:10:30.400 He was a mineralist, so he was going out. I mean, 0:10:30.679 --> 0:10:33.719 his job was basically fine minerals. So his job was 0:10:33.800 --> 0:10:37.760 to go out and find minerals, right, and you do 0:10:37.880 --> 0:10:42.080 that mostly in kind of isolated areas like Siberia. Yeah, 0:10:42.360 --> 0:10:44.120 so he was out looking at all these natives get 0:10:44.200 --> 0:10:46.520 saying yeah, that was just really enormous streak of the 0:10:46.559 --> 0:10:50.600 sky and yeah. And so it took him like six years, 0:10:50.679 --> 0:10:53.160 I think, to actually get the resources to come back. 0:10:53.520 --> 0:10:56.959 He had actually took him a really long time to 0:10:58.640 --> 0:11:02.839 probably kind of lie and convince his way, because the 0:11:03.280 --> 0:11:06.599 Soviet government at the time is actually what bankrolled his 0:11:06.960 --> 0:11:11.280 first expedition. And I think what he said was he 0:11:12.000 --> 0:11:14.160 was sure that it was a meteorite and that he 0:11:14.280 --> 0:11:18.160 was going to find meteoric iron here and maybe some 0:11:18.720 --> 0:11:21.839 of them fancy pants things that call yeah stuff that 0:11:22.080 --> 0:11:26.280 was definitely going to further the cause of the Soviet government. 0:11:26.840 --> 0:11:29.959 So he basically said, Hey, if you guys pay for 0:11:30.080 --> 0:11:32.440 me to go out and do this with, I'll come 0:11:32.480 --> 0:11:36.280 back with a lot of really fancy, expensive, really worthwhile stuff. 0:11:36.760 --> 0:11:40.680 I screw it up. I'll already be in Siberia. Yeah, 0:11:41.240 --> 0:11:43.760 it'll be great. Yeah. Yeah, that didn't go so well, 0:11:43.800 --> 0:11:45.199 but we'll talk about that in a little bit too. 0:11:46.000 --> 0:11:49.320 When the expedition first arrived in the area, they asked 0:11:49.400 --> 0:11:52.880 some local tribe hunters to take them to the impact site, 0:11:52.960 --> 0:11:55.520 or what they were assuming would be an impact site 0:11:55.559 --> 0:11:59.320 of some kind. This proved challenging because the tribe believed 0:11:59.400 --> 0:12:02.720 that this was this whole event was actually a punishment 0:12:02.800 --> 0:12:08.120 sent down from a god. Are there? Yeah? They also 0:12:08.360 --> 0:12:10.959 there was also some some talk of some kind of 0:12:11.040 --> 0:12:14.640 boogeyman creature that might live in that area too. Yeah, 0:12:15.760 --> 0:12:18.160 that the initial party went out and the guys like 0:12:18.800 --> 0:12:21.600 before they got to the impact site spooked and left 0:12:22.120 --> 0:12:25.040 because of that that's scary boogeyman kind of creature, And 0:12:25.080 --> 0:12:26.520 they had to go back to town and go get 0:12:26.559 --> 0:12:28.880 more guys to come back. Yeah. It was just a 0:12:28.960 --> 0:12:32.400 really long, arduous task to get out. It was a 0:12:32.480 --> 0:12:35.599 giant cluster. Yeah, it was. It really was. When the 0:12:35.640 --> 0:12:40.040 expedition did finally reach the center, the epicenter of this 0:12:40.480 --> 0:12:44.160 explosion event whatever, they found a note. They found a 0:12:44.240 --> 0:12:49.600 note and I said, love Choopy, just kidding it. They 0:12:49.720 --> 0:12:52.960 did not. They really were expecting a crater because they thought, oh, 0:12:53.000 --> 0:12:55.120 a meteor hit and we're going to get some really 0:12:55.200 --> 0:12:59.400 cool rare earth whatever was previously pure. Yeah, it's gonna 0:12:59.400 --> 0:13:02.280 be amazing. But when they got there, actually they were 0:13:02.360 --> 0:13:05.000 really surprised to see that actually what was there was 0:13:05.600 --> 0:13:09.640 just kind of a giant ground zero area where instead 0:13:09.679 --> 0:13:12.760 of the giant hole they were expecting to see, there's 0:13:12.760 --> 0:13:17.199 actually a five mile patch of pretty undisturbed trees. But 0:13:17.360 --> 0:13:19.640 they were disturbed. They were disturbed, but they were still 0:13:19.679 --> 0:13:26.160 standing and completely they were burned, they were scorched, the 0:13:26.360 --> 0:13:30.400 branches were for the most part gone. But you will 0:13:30.440 --> 0:13:34.480 remember that seven hundred miles square miles around this patch 0:13:34.559 --> 0:13:38.839 of five mile wide trees that are standing. Everything was 0:13:38.960 --> 0:13:42.719 just flattened. Can I stop for a second and just 0:13:42.920 --> 0:13:46.920 consider how difficult it must have been to walk and 0:13:47.080 --> 0:13:51.480 travel from me. You think, well, I'm just walking through 0:13:51.520 --> 0:13:54.880 the forest, is no big deal, But no, every tree 0:13:55.240 --> 0:13:58.000 is on the ground and you can't you can't take 0:13:58.120 --> 0:14:01.240 probably two steps with having to walk on and over 0:14:01.520 --> 0:14:04.120 a giant tree trunk. I can't imagine how because when 0:14:04.160 --> 0:14:05.599 I go out in the woods, you know, and I 0:14:05.679 --> 0:14:07.640 go through some area, some reason where there's a lot 0:14:07.679 --> 0:14:11.319 of blowdown some storms or whatever. Yeah, it's frustrating. It's 0:14:11.320 --> 0:14:13.599 just it's just I mean, I start getting kind of 0:14:13.840 --> 0:14:16.120 how do you think about how slow you go? Oh? Yeah, 0:14:16.320 --> 0:14:17.960 I think about these guys that are a party. It's 0:14:17.960 --> 0:14:20.640 not like they they're taking their supplies with them, so 0:14:20.720 --> 0:14:23.160 it's not as if their horses could get through the area, 0:14:23.600 --> 0:14:27.120 or at least not easily. I mean, that's just a 0:14:27.240 --> 0:14:31.360 t yeah. Yeah, and and it's a long one. I mean, 0:14:31.800 --> 0:14:34.520 you know it is. It's just anyway, it was tough. 0:14:34.720 --> 0:14:37.920 As mentioned, we're talking about the stand of trees that 0:14:38.040 --> 0:14:42.720 somehow still existed. Yeah. And the pattern that that that 0:14:42.840 --> 0:14:48.720 group established for the blast is actually accurate. Somehow they 0:14:48.800 --> 0:14:51.400 were they were right in this and they call it 0:14:51.560 --> 0:14:54.360 kind of an eagle it's kind of sweetie. Did you 0:14:54.400 --> 0:14:56.320 guys get to see it? Yeah? Well, I think it 0:14:56.360 --> 0:14:58.120 also described. It took me a while to figure it out, 0:14:58.160 --> 0:15:01.240 but I've seen it also described as a butterfly or 0:15:01.400 --> 0:15:04.520 moth pattern because it's got kind of the big lobes 0:15:04.600 --> 0:15:07.280 at the top and then the little lobes on. But 0:15:07.400 --> 0:15:10.760 it's not just a circle or anything like that. That's 0:15:10.800 --> 0:15:13.240 why I always until we started researching. I always thought 0:15:13.240 --> 0:15:15.320 it was just a big circle. Not at all. No, 0:15:15.520 --> 0:15:19.560 it's not. It's modernly estimated that this blast toppled more 0:15:19.600 --> 0:15:23.040 than eighty million trees, though I'm I don't know about that, 0:15:23.240 --> 0:15:27.280 and I've never seen the reasoning behind that. Yeah, basically, 0:15:27.600 --> 0:15:30.000 probably areals. They probably just like took an aerial and 0:15:30.120 --> 0:15:32.440 just took one teenage square and counted the trees and 0:15:32.560 --> 0:15:37.160 multiplied it by accident. There you go. Yeah, during the expedition, 0:15:37.720 --> 0:15:40.400 cool it found what are now called pothole bogs, but 0:15:40.560 --> 0:15:43.000 at the time he thought they were meteorite holes though 0:15:43.040 --> 0:15:45.840 they were too deep for him to excavate, which okay, 0:15:46.480 --> 0:15:49.240 he was going out there with the sole purpose to 0:15:49.480 --> 0:15:53.480 excavate minerals. But fine, whatever. If you see some of 0:15:53.520 --> 0:15:57.840 the footage, then they have standard spades. They don't have 0:15:58.080 --> 0:16:01.640 any kind of equipment to suck water out of a hole, 0:16:01.720 --> 0:16:04.440 and that's what you need to drain a bog. Oh yeah, sure, 0:16:04.560 --> 0:16:06.040 so I think that's why. I think that's why it 0:16:06.120 --> 0:16:08.480 was we can't do it because no matter how fast 0:16:08.560 --> 0:16:11.240 I shovel, the water keeps coming back. He totally. Yeah. 0:16:11.640 --> 0:16:16.200 So Kilick did actually lead three more expeditions over the 0:16:16.280 --> 0:16:19.560 course of the next decade or so back out to 0:16:19.680 --> 0:16:22.440 this area, because apparently the one time climbing over felled 0:16:22.520 --> 0:16:25.920 trees for twelve days wasn't enough. It was his unicorn. Yeah, 0:16:25.920 --> 0:16:28.280 I guess, I don't know. But so he had found 0:16:28.320 --> 0:16:30.920 those bogs and he thought, oh, there were meteorite holes, 0:16:30.960 --> 0:16:33.480 and there that's where the meteoric iron is going to be. 0:16:33.680 --> 0:16:37.000 This time, I will not fail the Soviet government. It's 0:16:38.920 --> 0:16:40.720 you actually can't blame him. I mean I would go 0:16:40.800 --> 0:16:42.880 there expecting a hole in the ground too. So any 0:16:42.960 --> 0:16:44.400 holes in the ground I saw, I want to check 0:16:44.400 --> 0:16:46.720 them out. Yeah, exactly. Well, it turns out so they 0:16:46.800 --> 0:16:49.440 brought the technology with them one of those three times 0:16:49.520 --> 0:16:52.560 to drain the bog and to get the meteoric iron 0:16:52.640 --> 0:16:54.960 out of the bottom of this bog. On the hole 0:16:55.040 --> 0:16:57.240 in the center of a log and the tree and 0:16:57.360 --> 0:17:05.920 the toad and the no, okay, anyway, it's fine video game. 0:17:05.960 --> 0:17:10.520 I'm sure it's camp song. But whatever they actually found 0:17:10.560 --> 0:17:15.560 at the bottom of the bog, stumpy tree stump from space, 0:17:16.000 --> 0:17:18.320 that's what you're saying. I think so. No, Actually, I 0:17:18.400 --> 0:17:20.720 think more of like a tree that had died and 0:17:20.840 --> 0:17:23.119 it was an old, old tree that was at the 0:17:23.200 --> 0:17:25.280 bottom of a bog, which means that it couldn't have 0:17:25.359 --> 0:17:31.159 been recently made by this bad luck. Obviously, I'm sure 0:17:31.200 --> 0:17:33.639 the Soviets were less and less patient every time that 0:17:33.840 --> 0:17:36.080 Coola came back to them and was like, listen, I 0:17:36.160 --> 0:17:39.000 know I promised you the meteoric iron. It's just not 0:17:39.160 --> 0:17:41.639 going to happen this time. I think they're just natural 0:17:41.720 --> 0:17:45.440 area bogs all just full disclosure. I haven't ever seen 0:17:45.720 --> 0:17:49.320 anywhere a different explanation for them, so I just think 0:17:49.560 --> 0:17:52.760 they're just it's that's just a boggy area of Siberia, 0:17:53.080 --> 0:17:57.040 probably like the shirt says, there's a shirt that says 0:17:57.080 --> 0:17:59.800 that there will be now I gotta get one. Yeah, 0:18:00.440 --> 0:18:06.720 you're gonna make it. Yeah, it's gonna be. Yeah, that's 0:18:06.720 --> 0:18:08.720 how it's going to happen. I'm sure I'm gonna be 0:18:08.840 --> 0:18:12.880 done with this little podcasting thing my T shirt empire. 0:18:13.200 --> 0:18:16.480 Okay you're not. You're going to run out of ideas 0:18:16.560 --> 0:18:20.720 for a T shirt. So without the podcast by this time, 0:18:20.800 --> 0:18:24.359 you may assume that the Soviets might have decided that 0:18:24.440 --> 0:18:27.880 bankrolling these expeditions was pretty pointless because the mediorc iron 0:18:28.000 --> 0:18:30.520 not coming through and blah blah, But no, apparently not. 0:18:31.160 --> 0:18:34.600 There have been tons of expeditions, most of which science. 0:18:35.680 --> 0:18:37.840 Actually we're kind of into the whole science thing. Yeah, 0:18:37.960 --> 0:18:41.000 not necessarily for peaceful purposes, but they were. It would 0:18:41.040 --> 0:18:45.480 be kind of interesting to know what exploded that powerfully, 0:18:46.359 --> 0:18:49.159 and if they could recreate it, why not. So, like 0:18:49.280 --> 0:18:52.160 I said, tons of expeditions over the years, some more 0:18:52.240 --> 0:18:55.800 helpful than others. In the fifties and sixties, they decided 0:18:55.840 --> 0:18:59.639 to start sifting the dirt and they found tiny silicate 0:18:59.800 --> 0:19:05.240 and magnetite balls. On other expeditions, the suspicion that these 0:19:05.320 --> 0:19:08.080 balls would be found in the trees was confirmed, so 0:19:08.240 --> 0:19:10.720 that theory was confirmed. That they're just or at least 0:19:10.840 --> 0:19:13.239 lent some support, lents some support. Yeah, and it did 0:19:13.359 --> 0:19:17.440 kind of lend support to the idea that something exploded 0:19:17.640 --> 0:19:21.560 really violently and that these yeah, that it was material 0:19:21.640 --> 0:19:25.720 spread from this thing. Still kind of weird that there's 0:19:25.760 --> 0:19:29.600 no crater, but whatever, you know, there's been Actually, scientifically speaking, 0:19:29.680 --> 0:19:31.960 there still is to this day a lot of scientific 0:19:32.000 --> 0:19:36.040 speculation about precisely what happened. Yeah, that's why we're doing 0:19:36.080 --> 0:19:38.680 a show on it. I know it seems crazy, but 0:19:39.119 --> 0:19:41.119 I believe or not. There there's still not a totally 0:19:41.240 --> 0:19:44.239 satisfying answer out there, which again is why we're doing 0:19:44.320 --> 0:19:48.040 show on it. Is that why? Yeah, because it's still unsolved. 0:19:49.000 --> 0:19:50.600 I guess the point I was trying to get across 0:19:50.760 --> 0:19:53.520 is that this isn't just confined to the realms of 0:19:53.680 --> 0:19:56.520 you know, like conspiracy theories and stuff there. And actually 0:19:56.560 --> 0:20:00.119 a lot of love been really looking into this are 0:20:00.560 --> 0:20:02.400 for a long time, and not just Russian ones either. 0:20:03.000 --> 0:20:07.000 The composition of those balls, just briefly was consistent with 0:20:07.160 --> 0:20:09.879 an extraterrestrial thing of some kind. Again, that is the 0:20:09.920 --> 0:20:12.680 scientific term. Okay, so don't email me about that, thank you. 0:20:13.840 --> 0:20:18.040 On later expeditions, the samples of flora in the area, 0:20:18.400 --> 0:20:23.280 especially bog pete, were taken and they found genetic damage 0:20:23.320 --> 0:20:28.800 similar to what you would find from a nuclear explosion. Yeah. 0:20:28.880 --> 0:20:32.159 I've read some claims that people in the surrounding areas 0:20:32.240 --> 0:20:36.240 also suffered from genetic mutations on just a genetic level, 0:20:36.359 --> 0:20:38.399 not like suddenly they grew a third arm out of 0:20:38.400 --> 0:20:41.320 their torso or whatever. I know, the not the not 0:20:41.480 --> 0:20:44.320 fun kinds. But I didn't I wasn't really able to 0:20:44.520 --> 0:20:47.119 suss out the sources for that or if there had 0:20:47.160 --> 0:20:50.400 been good documentation on any of that. That's the sort 0:20:50.400 --> 0:20:52.840 of thing that you know, you're watching the fifth BBC 0:20:53.880 --> 0:21:00.399 or History Channel thing history documentary on the US and 0:21:00.600 --> 0:21:03.360 they say in passing the people in the area were 0:21:03.400 --> 0:21:09.240 also affected on a genetic level. But that's like it. Yeah, 0:21:09.359 --> 0:21:11.399 I'd like to get some explanation as yeah, and what 0:21:11.560 --> 0:21:14.720 did it? Because there's other factors out there too, I mean, 0:21:15.080 --> 0:21:19.800 background radiation varies quite a bit from geographic locations locations. Yeah. 0:21:20.240 --> 0:21:23.680 Worth mentioning here briefly is there's a lake that we're 0:21:23.720 --> 0:21:27.120 going to talk about the minute, so shut up. That's 0:21:27.119 --> 0:21:30.400 about five miles or eight kilometers from the ground zero 0:21:30.520 --> 0:21:32.920 where all of the trees are still standing, that some 0:21:33.080 --> 0:21:35.720 people have speculated could in fact be a crater site. 0:21:35.920 --> 0:21:39.080 In two thousands seventeen, some people suggested that the lake 0:21:39.160 --> 0:21:43.080 was created by a fragment fragment of a meteor, but 0:21:43.400 --> 0:21:45.680 an entire meteor, but just a part of one. Yeah. 0:21:45.800 --> 0:21:50.640 But actually I think that the original suggestion was well before, right, Yeah, 0:21:50.720 --> 0:21:53.080 And we're going to go deeper into this in just 0:21:53.200 --> 0:21:56.520 a minute. But in sixty one, scientists did some sampling 0:21:56.640 --> 0:21:59.600 of the lake and estimated it had been created five 0:21:59.640 --> 0:22:03.960 thousand years ago. So the lady took samples of the 0:22:04.200 --> 0:22:07.040 rock and set out of it. Because that's really the 0:22:07.080 --> 0:22:08.680 way that you figure out how old the lake is 0:22:08.760 --> 0:22:12.879 is how much crud is built upon the dead animals. Nessy, 0:22:13.000 --> 0:22:15.560 but yeah, I mean the lake is another another huge 0:22:16.040 --> 0:22:18.200 source of It is a hot topic with scientists and 0:22:18.320 --> 0:22:20.879 good news. We'll talk about it in a minute. I 0:22:20.960 --> 0:22:22.560 just wanted to give people something to look forward to, 0:22:23.280 --> 0:22:25.960 because I know our listeners love hot topics from you know, 0:22:26.160 --> 0:22:28.720 for some hot science topic science. I was about to 0:22:28.760 --> 0:22:31.040 say that we're not at the mall at hot topics. 0:22:31.240 --> 0:22:33.920 People don't love that place. Nobody liked it. It's just 0:22:34.040 --> 0:22:37.960 full of teenagers and angst. And actually that's why that's 0:22:37.960 --> 0:22:43.080 where I buy. I don't think that's true, but okay, anyway, 0:22:43.119 --> 0:22:45.440 I think it is. I've had to argue with you money. 0:22:45.520 --> 0:22:48.119 We're getting punchy, and I think this is like a 0:22:48.240 --> 0:22:51.720 good time to start moving onto theories. Our first theory 0:22:51.960 --> 0:22:56.800 is a sub atomic collision or anti matter theory. Don't 0:22:56.840 --> 0:23:03.120 don't done? Okay, let's with the h So this guy 0:23:03.520 --> 0:23:05.520 is a fun one. That's why we're starting off with it. 0:23:07.200 --> 0:23:11.800 From truncated from the Wikipedia because sometimes they just do 0:23:11.880 --> 0:23:14.360 a better job of doing the explain, Like I'm five 0:23:14.480 --> 0:23:16.960 things than I episode. I got a children's website. Sometimes 0:23:17.600 --> 0:23:20.320 I get it. Yeah, well, you know, it's that whole 0:23:20.359 --> 0:23:22.680 thing where Einstein said, if you can't explain it to 0:23:22.720 --> 0:23:24.960 a five year old, you don't understand it, right, I 0:23:25.040 --> 0:23:29.560 do not understand this stuff. We'll spit it out. So 0:23:29.680 --> 0:23:32.639 anti matter comments, and that's what the theory would be, 0:23:32.760 --> 0:23:35.680 is that this would be anything matter comment or meteor 0:23:36.280 --> 0:23:41.359 is a hypothetical comment or meteor composed solely of antimatter 0:23:41.560 --> 0:23:44.119 instead of ordinary matter. You guys know what the difference 0:23:44.119 --> 0:23:48.200 between the sis are? Right, it is brain melter. But yes, 0:23:48.600 --> 0:23:51.200 it's not a brain melter. Just reverse the charges on 0:23:51.200 --> 0:23:53.359 all the particles and there you go. Yeah, it's basically 0:23:54.720 --> 0:23:58.680 it's the opposite of everything that we are, and antimatter 0:23:58.800 --> 0:24:02.000 and matter balance each other out. But for some reason, 0:24:02.720 --> 0:24:05.439 but for some reason, there's just enough more matter than 0:24:05.480 --> 0:24:13.920 antimatter to allow life brain melter situation. Anyway, there's a 0:24:14.040 --> 0:24:16.879 theory that there are comments because you know, if there's 0:24:17.560 --> 0:24:21.720 matter comments, there's antimatter comments. They don't matter. We just 0:24:21.840 --> 0:24:23.920