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Speaker 1: Hey there, welcome to another episode of Thinking Sideways the podcast.
Speaker 1: I am Devin, joined as always by Joe and Steve.
Speaker 1: Apparently I'm saying it for them now. Today we're going
Speaker 1: to talk about a not true crime mystery, or if
Speaker 1: maybe a true crime mystery. It was probably yeah, maybe
Speaker 1: on a bigger yeah, I'm kind of like a bludgeon
Speaker 1: cudgel scale, not like yeah, totally yeah, not a stabbing.
Speaker 1: It was blunt forest trauma. We're going to talk about
Speaker 1: the Tunguska event. And this was originally suggested by Joseph
Speaker 1: way back in two thousand fifteen, which kind of seems
Speaker 1: like it was just yesterday. But that was a long
Speaker 1: time ago. I gotta be honest with you. I kind
Speaker 1: of thought we had covered this story. No, I've read
Speaker 1: enough about this, and this was seems just kind of
Speaker 1: our bag back in the day. When we were doing
Speaker 1: the twenty five minute episodes, we totally must have covered
Speaker 1: that one. Oh my god, start on the list. Yeah, sorry,
Speaker 1: we didn't do it. We're gonna right now, though maybe
Speaker 1: probably not much longer though sorry everyone know you like
Speaker 1: those long ones. But it's not going to be this one. Actually, this, actually,
Speaker 1: this particular event has been thoroughly explored by some very
Speaker 1: credible scientists. Scientists incredible, some not, yeah, some some of both. So,
Speaker 1: if you are unfamiliar with the Tunguska event, I happened
Speaker 1: hundred and ten years ago in June of nineteen o
Speaker 1: eight thirty of June, to be exact, A huge like
Speaker 1: huge like like huge explosion isn't even pronouncible anymore, dude, Yeah,
Speaker 1: a huge explosion rocked the isolated area of Siberia called
Speaker 1: the isolated Area of Siberia. Like they're not isolated, No,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, it's a specific isolated area. No, no, it's
Speaker 1: not even more. It's just one of these, one of
Speaker 1: the isolated areas, because all of Siberia, Siberia, it's isolated.
Speaker 1: But this one had the name. It's called governance, now
Speaker 1: called something else that I'm not going to be able
Speaker 1: to pronounce that was pretty close. This event took place
Speaker 1: close to the stony Tunguska River, which is apparently the
Speaker 1: only way to identify things out there. So it's called
Speaker 1: the Tunguska event even though Tungusca isn't a place. Actually, yeah,
Speaker 1: there is a town called Tungusca, but it's not exactly
Speaker 1: where the event took place. But hundred two. I'm also
Speaker 1: I don't know you might know this when that became
Speaker 1: a place and if it became a place after memorium recognition.
Speaker 1: But also, by the way, this this place does show
Speaker 1: off that the actual creator, not that they were. The
Speaker 1: impact site does show up on Google Maps. Look, well
Speaker 1: the event area think we'll call it. Yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: it's marked on Google It's like you can't actually see
Speaker 1: the see it on Trontal line around it. You can
Speaker 1: see it on Google Earth though. Yeah. Yeah, super super
Speaker 1: iceolated place. Like we said, it's Siberia. To this day,
Speaker 1: no one really knows what caused the explosion. The explosion
Speaker 1: is so big that it blew the h off of it.
Speaker 1: So it was big, hundreds of square miles of devastation.
Speaker 1: It was, so let's get into it. But just quickly.
Speaker 1: It's not a little ears warning. I just want to
Speaker 1: mention that at this time in Russia they were still
Speaker 1: on the June Julian thank you calendar. I was like, Gregorian, no,
Speaker 1: that's right now. So a lot of the eyewitness accounts
Speaker 1: and things you'll read say that it happened on June seventeenth,
Speaker 1: not June. But I just want to get this out
Speaker 1: of the way so we're not getting emails from people
Speaker 1: who are like, you dummy. We're so used to having
Speaker 1: one calendar that there's even people today that under different calendars.
Speaker 1: But the Gregorian calendar started, and I believe greg there
Speaker 1: decided to knock eleven days off of October because apparently
Speaker 1: people thought October was getting too good of a deal,
Speaker 1: so they took eleven days out, and so everything kind
Speaker 1: of shifted, is so, but not everybody shifted to the
Speaker 1: Gregorian calendar right away. Yeah, you know, the calendar has
Speaker 1: been moved around a couple of times. I know there
Speaker 1: was at some point that the Russian people were on
Speaker 1: a different calendar that had them two or three thousand
Speaker 1: years ahead of the rest of the world. As in
Speaker 1: everybody said, it's nineteen o two and they're like, nope,
Speaker 1: it's sixty two oh five, Like there was just this weird.
Speaker 1: I don't know the exact numbers, but they did it
Speaker 1: a number of times. They shifted their calendar. Makes it
Speaker 1: super confusing. But you know, actually we are reaching that
Speaker 1: point in our society where there's gonna be enough trek.
Speaker 1: He's out there. They'll take over Congress and probably the
Speaker 1: White House, and it's gonna be started. It's like started
Speaker 1: three or seven or something like that here pretty quick,
Speaker 1: I think so too. Yeah, you put in you anyway,
Speaker 1: let's see it again to this or away off track already,
Speaker 1: we're going to make this more than five minutes, no
Speaker 1: matter what you sure are. I'm really sorry everyone else.
Speaker 1: As mentioned, the morning of the thirty of June nineteen
Speaker 1: o eight, an explosion that modern day scientists estimate was
Speaker 1: anywhere between oh was anywhere from sorry fifteen to twenty
Speaker 1: mega tons, caused about seven hundred and seventy square miles,
Speaker 1: which is about two thousand square kilometers of trees to
Speaker 1: just blow right over. For those of us who have
Speaker 1: to look this sort of thing up. The atomic bomb
Speaker 1: that we set off in Hiroshima was about fifteen kilo tons,
Speaker 1: which means right, yeah, So that means that the blast
Speaker 1: was at this estimate, at minimum one thousand times more
Speaker 1: powerfer than that atomic bomb, which is pretty powerful. In
Speaker 1: nineteen o eight, also reportedly, though the blast completely flattened
Speaker 1: all of the trees, there were officially no reported deaths
Speaker 1: of humans were actually underneath the trees. The trees the reindeer. Actually,
Speaker 1: the reindeer did die, a lot of a lot of
Speaker 1: wildlife did, yeah, but no humans specifically because of the blast.
Speaker 1: At about seven am local time, natives and Russian settlers
Speaker 1: in the area reported seeing a bluish column of light,
Speaker 1: nearly as bright as the sun, streaking through the sky.
Speaker 1: About ten minutes later, a very loud boom, a very loud,
Speaker 1: it's kind of an understatement, a very loud boom was heard,
Speaker 1: and a shock wave powerful enough to knock people to
Speaker 1: the ground and shatter windows was felt hundreds of miles
Speaker 1: and kilometers away. Both and most of the eyewitness of
Speaker 1: reports actually came from towns that are hundreds of miles
Speaker 1: away but felt shock waves that they likened to tremors
Speaker 1: or earthquakes. And it's at its actually estimated that many
Speaker 1: of those tremors were of equivalent to uh about a
Speaker 1: five point earthquake, so it was not a nothing. That's
Speaker 1: a pretty big shake of the earth. The explosion also
Speaker 1: caused some interesting atmospheric phenomenon, including reports that the night
Speaker 1: sky in Asia and Europe had a glowy quality to them.
Speaker 1: That is a technical term. Um no, more like glowy,
Speaker 1: not like lights, kind of just like a shimmery ear
Speaker 1: descence to it, Yeah, kind of. Yeah. Some people reported
Speaker 1: that the blast sound they heard sounded like it moved
Speaker 1: east to north, but I don't know if that really matters.
Speaker 1: And also those people's positions weren't aren't really specified, so
Speaker 1: I don't know how helpful that is. Probably changees depending
Speaker 1: on where vantage point is. It would assume this area
Speaker 1: of Siberia so remote that it took more than a
Speaker 1: decade for the first investigators to come and try figure
Speaker 1: out what exactly had happened. Actually, the Russian Civil War
Speaker 1: was also happening during this time, so it took almost
Speaker 1: two decades. It was wasn't until nineteen seven that um
Speaker 1: An exploration made it out there. Yeah. I think this
Speaker 1: guy was his name La Kulik. Yeah, Yeah, apparently he'd
Speaker 1: been out there like you know, six years earlier on
Speaker 1: some unrelated matter, early stories of this big, huge kaboom.
Speaker 1: He was a mineralist, so he was going out. I mean,
Speaker 1: his job was basically fine minerals. So his job was
Speaker 1: to go out and find minerals, right, and you do
Speaker 1: that mostly in kind of isolated areas like Siberia. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so he was out looking at all these natives get
Speaker 1: saying yeah, that was just really enormous streak of the
Speaker 1: sky and yeah. And so it took him like six years,
Speaker 1: I think, to actually get the resources to come back.
Speaker 1: He had actually took him a really long time to
Speaker 1: probably kind of lie and convince his way, because the
Speaker 1: Soviet government at the time is actually what bankrolled his
Speaker 1: first expedition. And I think what he said was he
Speaker 1: was sure that it was a meteorite and that he
Speaker 1: was going to find meteoric iron here and maybe some
Speaker 1: of them fancy pants things that call yeah stuff that
Speaker 1: was definitely going to further the cause of the Soviet government.
Speaker 1: So he basically said, Hey, if you guys pay for
Speaker 1: me to go out and do this with, I'll come
Speaker 1: back with a lot of really fancy, expensive, really worthwhile stuff.
Speaker 1: I screw it up. I'll already be in Siberia. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it'll be great. Yeah. Yeah, that didn't go so well,
Speaker 1: but we'll talk about that in a little bit too.
Speaker 1: When the expedition first arrived in the area, they asked
Speaker 1: some local tribe hunters to take them to the impact site,
Speaker 1: or what they were assuming would be an impact site
Speaker 1: of some kind. This proved challenging because the tribe believed
Speaker 1: that this was this whole event was actually a punishment
Speaker 1: sent down from a god. Are there? Yeah? They also
Speaker 1: there was also some some talk of some kind of
Speaker 1: boogeyman creature that might live in that area too. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that the initial party went out and the guys like
Speaker 1: before they got to the impact site spooked and left
Speaker 1: because of that that's scary boogeyman kind of creature, And
Speaker 1: they had to go back to town and go get
Speaker 1: more guys to come back. Yeah. It was just a
Speaker 1: really long, arduous task to get out. It was a
Speaker 1: giant cluster. Yeah, it was. It really was. When the
Speaker 1: expedition did finally reach the center, the epicenter of this
Speaker 1: explosion event whatever, they found a note. They found a
Speaker 1: note and I said, love Choopy, just kidding it. They
Speaker 1: did not. They really were expecting a crater because they thought, oh,
Speaker 1: a meteor hit and we're going to get some really
Speaker 1: cool rare earth whatever was previously pure. Yeah, it's gonna
Speaker 1: be amazing. But when they got there, actually they were
Speaker 1: really surprised to see that actually what was there was
Speaker 1: just kind of a giant ground zero area where instead
Speaker 1: of the giant hole they were expecting to see, there's
Speaker 1: actually a five mile patch of pretty undisturbed trees. But
Speaker 1: they were disturbed. They were disturbed, but they were still
Speaker 1: standing and completely they were burned, they were scorched, the
Speaker 1: branches were for the most part gone. But you will
Speaker 1: remember that seven hundred miles square miles around this patch
Speaker 1: of five mile wide trees that are standing. Everything was
Speaker 1: just flattened. Can I stop for a second and just
Speaker 1: consider how difficult it must have been to walk and
Speaker 1: travel from me. You think, well, I'm just walking through
Speaker 1: the forest, is no big deal, But no, every tree
Speaker 1: is on the ground and you can't you can't take
Speaker 1: probably two steps with having to walk on and over
Speaker 1: a giant tree trunk. I can't imagine how because when
Speaker 1: I go out in the woods, you know, and I
Speaker 1: go through some area, some reason where there's a lot
Speaker 1: of blowdown some storms or whatever. Yeah, it's frustrating. It's
Speaker 1: just it's just I mean, I start getting kind of
Speaker 1: how do you think about how slow you go? Oh? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think about these guys that are a party. It's
Speaker 1: not like they they're taking their supplies with them, so
Speaker 1: it's not as if their horses could get through the area,
Speaker 1: or at least not easily. I mean, that's just a
Speaker 1: t yeah. Yeah, and and it's a long one. I mean,
Speaker 1: you know it is. It's just anyway, it was tough.
Speaker 1: As mentioned, we're talking about the stand of trees that
Speaker 1: somehow still existed. Yeah. And the pattern that that that
Speaker 1: group established for the blast is actually accurate. Somehow they
Speaker 1: were they were right in this and they call it
Speaker 1: kind of an eagle it's kind of sweetie. Did you
Speaker 1: guys get to see it? Yeah? Well, I think it
Speaker 1: also described. It took me a while to figure it out,
Speaker 1: but I've seen it also described as a butterfly or
Speaker 1: moth pattern because it's got kind of the big lobes
Speaker 1: at the top and then the little lobes on. But
Speaker 1: it's not just a circle or anything like that. That's
Speaker 1: why I always until we started researching. I always thought
Speaker 1: it was just a big circle. Not at all. No,
Speaker 1: it's not. It's modernly estimated that this blast toppled more
Speaker 1: than eighty million trees, though I'm I don't know about that,
Speaker 1: and I've never seen the reasoning behind that. Yeah, basically,
Speaker 1: probably areals. They probably just like took an aerial and
Speaker 1: just took one teenage square and counted the trees and
Speaker 1: multiplied it by accident. There you go. Yeah, during the expedition,
Speaker 1: cool it found what are now called pothole bogs, but
Speaker 1: at the time he thought they were meteorite holes though
Speaker 1: they were too deep for him to excavate, which okay,
Speaker 1: he was going out there with the sole purpose to
Speaker 1: excavate minerals. But fine, whatever. If you see some of
Speaker 1: the footage, then they have standard spades. They don't have
Speaker 1: any kind of equipment to suck water out of a hole,
Speaker 1: and that's what you need to drain a bog. Oh yeah, sure,
Speaker 1: so I think that's why. I think that's why it
Speaker 1: was we can't do it because no matter how fast
Speaker 1: I shovel, the water keeps coming back. He totally. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So Kilick did actually lead three more expeditions over the
Speaker 1: course of the next decade or so back out to
Speaker 1: this area, because apparently the one time climbing over felled
Speaker 1: trees for twelve days wasn't enough. It was his unicorn. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I guess, I don't know. But so he had found
Speaker 1: those bogs and he thought, oh, there were meteorite holes,
Speaker 1: and there that's where the meteoric iron is going to be.
Speaker 1: This time, I will not fail the Soviet government. It's
Speaker 1: you actually can't blame him. I mean I would go
Speaker 1: there expecting a hole in the ground too. So any
Speaker 1: holes in the ground I saw, I want to check
Speaker 1: them out. Yeah, exactly. Well, it turns out so they
Speaker 1: brought the technology with them one of those three times
Speaker 1: to drain the bog and to get the meteoric iron
Speaker 1: out of the bottom of this bog. On the hole
Speaker 1: in the center of a log and the tree and
Speaker 1: the toad and the no, okay, anyway, it's fine video game.
Speaker 1: I'm sure it's camp song. But whatever they actually found
Speaker 1: at the bottom of the bog, stumpy tree stump from space,
Speaker 1: that's what you're saying. I think so. No, Actually, I
Speaker 1: think more of like a tree that had died and
Speaker 1: it was an old, old tree that was at the
Speaker 1: bottom of a bog, which means that it couldn't have
Speaker 1: been recently made by this bad luck. Obviously, I'm sure
Speaker 1: the Soviets were less and less patient every time that
Speaker 1: Coola came back to them and was like, listen, I
Speaker 1: know I promised you the meteoric iron. It's just not
Speaker 1: going to happen this time. I think they're just natural
Speaker 1: area bogs all just full disclosure. I haven't ever seen
Speaker 1: anywhere a different explanation for them, so I just think
Speaker 1: they're just it's that's just a boggy area of Siberia,
Speaker 1: probably like the shirt says, there's a shirt that says
Speaker 1: that there will be now I gotta get one. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you're gonna make it. Yeah, it's gonna be. Yeah, that's
Speaker 1: how it's going to happen. I'm sure I'm gonna be
Speaker 1: done with this little podcasting thing my T shirt empire.
Speaker 1: Okay you're not. You're going to run out of ideas
Speaker 1: for a T shirt. So without the podcast by this time,
Speaker 1: you may assume that the Soviets might have decided that
Speaker 1: bankrolling these expeditions was pretty pointless because the mediorc iron
Speaker 1: not coming through and blah blah, But no, apparently not.
Speaker 1: There have been tons of expeditions, most of which science.
Speaker 1: Actually we're kind of into the whole science thing. Yeah,
Speaker 1: not necessarily for peaceful purposes, but they were. It would
Speaker 1: be kind of interesting to know what exploded that powerfully,
Speaker 1: and if they could recreate it, why not. So, like
Speaker 1: I said, tons of expeditions over the years, some more
Speaker 1: helpful than others. In the fifties and sixties, they decided
Speaker 1: to start sifting the dirt and they found tiny silicate
Speaker 1: and magnetite balls. On other expeditions, the suspicion that these
Speaker 1: balls would be found in the trees was confirmed, so
Speaker 1: that theory was confirmed. That they're just or at least
Speaker 1: lent some support, lents some support. Yeah, and it did
Speaker 1: kind of lend support to the idea that something exploded
Speaker 1: really violently and that these yeah, that it was material
Speaker 1: spread from this thing. Still kind of weird that there's
Speaker 1: no crater, but whatever, you know, there's been Actually, scientifically speaking,
Speaker 1: there still is to this day a lot of scientific
Speaker 1: speculation about precisely what happened. Yeah, that's why we're doing
Speaker 1: a show on it. I know it seems crazy, but
Speaker 1: I believe or not. There there's still not a totally
Speaker 1: satisfying answer out there, which again is why we're doing
Speaker 1: show on it. Is that why? Yeah, because it's still unsolved.
Speaker 1: I guess the point I was trying to get across
Speaker 1: is that this isn't just confined to the realms of
Speaker 1: you know, like conspiracy theories and stuff there. And actually
Speaker 1: a lot of love been really looking into this are
Speaker 1: for a long time, and not just Russian ones either.
Speaker 1: The composition of those balls, just briefly was consistent with
Speaker 1: an extraterrestrial thing of some kind. Again, that is the
Speaker 1: scientific term. Okay, so don't email me about that, thank you.
Speaker 1: On later expeditions, the samples of flora in the area,
Speaker 1: especially bog pete, were taken and they found genetic damage
Speaker 1: similar to what you would find from a nuclear explosion. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I've read some claims that people in the surrounding areas
Speaker 1: also suffered from genetic mutations on just a genetic level,
Speaker 1: not like suddenly they grew a third arm out of
Speaker 1: their torso or whatever. I know, the not the not
Speaker 1: fun kinds. But I didn't I wasn't really able to
Speaker 1: suss out the sources for that or if there had
Speaker 1: been good documentation on any of that. That's the sort
Speaker 1: of thing that you know, you're watching the fifth BBC
Speaker 1: or History Channel thing history documentary on the US and
Speaker 1: they say in passing the people in the area were
Speaker 1: also affected on a genetic level. But that's like it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'd like to get some explanation as yeah, and what
Speaker 1: did it? Because there's other factors out there too, I mean,
Speaker 1: background radiation varies quite a bit from geographic locations locations. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Worth mentioning here briefly is there's a lake that we're
Speaker 1: going to talk about the minute, so shut up. That's
Speaker 1: about five miles or eight kilometers from the ground zero
Speaker 1: where all of the trees are still standing, that some
Speaker 1: people have speculated could in fact be a crater site.
Speaker 1: In two thousands seventeen, some people suggested that the lake
Speaker 1: was created by a fragment fragment of a meteor, but
Speaker 1: an entire meteor, but just a part of one. Yeah.
Speaker 1: But actually I think that the original suggestion was well before, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: And we're going to go deeper into this in just
Speaker 1: a minute. But in sixty one, scientists did some sampling
Speaker 1: of the lake and estimated it had been created five
Speaker 1: thousand years ago. So the lady took samples of the
Speaker 1: rock and set out of it. Because that's really the
Speaker 1: way that you figure out how old the lake is
Speaker 1: is how much crud is built upon the dead animals. Nessy,
Speaker 1: but yeah, I mean the lake is another another huge
Speaker 1: source of It is a hot topic with scientists and
Speaker 1: good news. We'll talk about it in a minute. I
Speaker 1: just wanted to give people something to look forward to,
Speaker 1: because I know our listeners love hot topics from you know,
Speaker 1: for some hot science topic science. I was about to
Speaker 1: say that we're not at the mall at hot topics.
Speaker 1: People don't love that place. Nobody liked it. It's just
Speaker 1: full of teenagers and angst. And actually that's why that's
Speaker 1: where I buy. I don't think that's true, but okay, anyway,
Speaker 1: I think it is. I've had to argue with you money.
Speaker 1: We're getting punchy, and I think this is like a
Speaker 1: good time to start moving onto theories. Our first theory
Speaker 1: is a sub atomic collision or anti matter theory. Don't
Speaker 1: don't done? Okay, let's with the h So this guy
Speaker 1: is a fun one. That's why we're starting off with it.
Speaker 1: From truncated from the Wikipedia because sometimes they just do
Speaker 1: a better job of doing the explain, Like I'm five
Speaker 1: things than I episode. I got a children's website. Sometimes
Speaker 1: I get it. Yeah, well, you know, it's that whole
Speaker 1: thing where Einstein said, if you can't explain it to
Speaker 1: a five year old, you don't understand it, right, I
Speaker 1: do not understand this stuff. We'll spit it out. So
Speaker 1: anti matter comments, and that's what the theory would be,
Speaker 1: is that this would be anything matter comment or meteor
Speaker 1: is a hypothetical comment or meteor composed solely of antimatter
Speaker 1: instead of ordinary matter. You guys know what the difference
Speaker 1: between the sis are? Right, it is brain melter. But yes,
Speaker 1: it's not a brain melter. Just reverse the charges on
Speaker 1: all the particles and there you go. Yeah, it's basically
Speaker 1: it's the opposite of everything that we are, and antimatter
Speaker 1: and matter balance each other out. But for some reason,
Speaker 1: but for some reason, there's just enough more matter than
Speaker 1: antimatter to allow life brain melter situation. Anyway, there's a
Speaker 1: theory that there are comments because you know, if there's
Speaker 1: matter comments, there's antimatter comments. They don't matter. We just
Speaker 1: don't know are they often another corner of the universe
Speaker 1: or lazing around or first may Yeah, I mean it
Speaker 1: might be the will will arrive at the nearest star
Speaker 1: and planet and everything, it will be antimatter, and they're
Speaker 1: all hanging out in the mill the the corner of
Speaker 1: the galaxy gymnasium, smoking cigarettes together. It just doesn't matter, man,
Speaker 1: it just doesn't matter exactly the French philosophers. I was thinking,
Speaker 1: they're more the kids who are like outside the old
Speaker 1: defunct auto shop class, but just like smoke cigarettes. Anyways,
Speaker 1: antimatter smokes is what we're apparently. Apparently the theory here
Speaker 1: would be that what actually happened was we had an
Speaker 1: anti matter collision and that was what caused this explosion.
Speaker 1: There are actually some interesting theories. We talked about ball
Speaker 1: lightning in an episode one time. Yeah, yeah, when we
Speaker 1: did skyquakes. Yeah, this is actually there's actually a theory
Speaker 1: out there that anti matter comments actually cause ball lightning.
Speaker 1: I don't understand it, still don't understand it. Don't ask
Speaker 1: me to explain it, don't, but you have your quizzical
Speaker 1: face on. We talked about ball liking another time, and
Speaker 1: I'm trying. It was another one of my episodes of
Speaker 1: the One of the Lights episodes. Yeah, anyway, but do
Speaker 1: you think about it is is obviously it's the size
Speaker 1: of a common bit amanti matter. It wouldn't just cause
Speaker 1: ball lightning. Yeah, I mean the release of energy would
Speaker 1: be like a like a ten megaton like that's actually
Speaker 1: that is what those theories are out now. I suspect
Speaker 1: that something the size of a comet hitting hitting the
Speaker 1: planet Earth it was anti matter, would be a lot
Speaker 1: bigger than well. The problem, yeah, the problem is here
Speaker 1: and we'll talk more about this kind of in the
Speaker 1: comic media theory. But the problem is is that for
Speaker 1: something big enough made of matter orienting matter to survive
Speaker 1: through our atmosphere, it has to be bigger because it
Speaker 1: would have made a bigger it would have been made
Speaker 1: a bigger explosion. But if it was little to make
Speaker 1: an explosion of this size, it would have just disintegrated
Speaker 1: in long before it got that close to the serious Yeah.
Speaker 1: Exactually you know, just fun fun science fact. Actually animator
Speaker 1: hits hits the Earth every day constantly. Yeah, And actually
Speaker 1: that's what I was going to say, is the bad
Speaker 1: news for this theory is that in nineteen fifty eight
Speaker 1: they were able to disprove that. By the size that
Speaker 1: it would have had to have been, it would have
Speaker 1: either been killed all the dinosaurs kind of explosion, or
Speaker 1: it would have totally disintegrated in their atmosphere, because that's
Speaker 1: what they usually do. This one doesn't matter, So it
Speaker 1: doesn't matter. It's a cool theory though. I like it,
Speaker 1: you know. I mean, I hope that if an animate
Speaker 1: of common comes by one of these days that won't
Speaker 1: hit us. Yeah, I could hit one of those other
Speaker 1: dumb planets. Yeah, I feel like I kind of feel
Speaker 1: the same way about just matter of comics for that matter.
Speaker 1: I don't know pun intended. I don't want either want
Speaker 1: have been hitting us. I don't really either yet. Yeah.
Speaker 1: The next theory is that it was an alien craft
Speaker 1: that exploded. This one has been around a long time
Speaker 1: because I remember hearing this one when I was a kid. Yeah,
Speaker 1: because this story has been around a long time since.
Speaker 1: I think it probably happened when you were like nine
Speaker 1: or ten. No, it has. This story has been around
Speaker 1: for a hundred and ten years actually, and the people
Speaker 1: have been fascinated for at least ninety of those years. Yeah,
Speaker 1: But it wasn't until like the sixties or so, you
Speaker 1: started getting a lot of paranormal type books coming out,
Speaker 1: slowly started leaking out of the Eastern Block. But it
Speaker 1: had that weird mystique because well, they were keeping it
Speaker 1: behind the iron curtain. You didn't know what was there.
Speaker 1: So there was it had a different flavor and a
Speaker 1: different panash is not the right where, but it just
Speaker 1: it got people going, yeah, still does actually, I think
Speaker 1: a lot of times. The theory here, the most prevalent
Speaker 1: theory that I've seen, the reason for the alien craft
Speaker 1: being there and being so low to the ground is
Speaker 1: that it was that lake you remember we were talking about.
Speaker 1: It's Lake Checko that's close by. The theory is that
Speaker 1: they Siberia would be a place that you an alien
Speaker 1: craft who was just trying to do research, scientific recon research.
Speaker 1: It's isolated enough that, yeah, that would be the kind
Speaker 1: of place that they would want to go to not
Speaker 1: get caught. So the theory is that they were trying
Speaker 1: to take some water samples or something like that, or
Speaker 1: fuel up with water something. They're doing something with the
Speaker 1: water in the lake in Lake Checko, and some how
Speaker 1: it just exploded. Somebody hit the wrong But they were
Speaker 1: trying to put something in Mr Fusion, And that gets
Speaker 1: back to my what I was saying when we talked
Speaker 1: about the secret base in Antarctica. You know, as you
Speaker 1: can be confronted with these aliens who had this fantastic technology,
Speaker 1: and that doesn't mean they're not just dumb masses. They
Speaker 1: can totally be they can totally be just dumb. So
Speaker 1: that I think somebody hit the wrong button. But when
Speaker 1: I was a kid, the first time I ever heard
Speaker 1: this story, it was in a book that I referenced before,
Speaker 1: Stranger Than Science by Frank Edwards, and he talked about
Speaker 1: this one in his story was the alien craft came
Speaker 1: down to Earth, and it was like it was like
Speaker 1: an emergency ditch kind of deal because there, you know,
Speaker 1: they're there's they're positronic reactor was overloading and they were
Speaker 1: gonna blow and they needed a part in place of
Speaker 1: land right now, and so they picked Siberia because it's
Speaker 1: the most isolated placed, so you know, you know, if
Speaker 1: it did blow up, then not not as many people
Speaker 1: would get killed on the ground, So that no very
Speaker 1: very I thought so too. So that was his theory,
Speaker 1: is that it was a desperate alien trying to land
Speaker 1: his craft, but you didn't. It does seem like parts
Speaker 1: of alien craft would have been found if that were
Speaker 1: in fact what had happened. Well, I actually have a
Speaker 1: cutter that. Okay, have you ever built the boat? You
Speaker 1: ever built the paper boat? You know, folded and then
Speaker 1: you can flip the little paper boat down the waterway
Speaker 1: or down the gutter or whatever. Yes, So now you
Speaker 1: just scale that up and you slap some nuclear reactors
Speaker 1: on there, and there it is the paper alien. So
Speaker 1: it exploded and burned up. You're saying that interstellar travel
Speaker 1: is done by paper. Yeah, you've got to use about
Speaker 1: a hundred and twenty bond though that that crappy forty
Speaker 1: pounds stuff just will not survive for the entry. I
Speaker 1: guess another theory similar to that could be that that
Speaker 1: the Leonardo da Vinci spacecrafts that were made out of
Speaker 1: wood were actually feasible, and that's actually he is actually
Speaker 1: an alien and he was just trying to tell us that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and then it did explode his corpse and said, egg dude,
Speaker 1: you know, let's see that spaceship come on. And so
Speaker 1: you tried, it didn't quite work out, and I blew
Speaker 1: up and c nuclear reactor just you know, couldn't quite handles.
Speaker 1: But the only thing I will mention here is that
Speaker 1: there the Russians did do one exploration of the area
Speaker 1: in two thousand four and apparently found some stuff, but
Speaker 1: I haven't publicly released what they found, which doesn't surprise me.
Speaker 1: They probably didn't actually find anything, and people are just
Speaker 1: blowing the sweat proportioned. But you know, probably found a
Speaker 1: giant weed for me. I don't know. Next theory, let's
Speaker 1: hear the next theory. Tesla Tesla, the car could someday
Speaker 1: crashed down and cause it explosion that he was just
Speaker 1: sending it to radio to Rainbow Road. I'm pretty sure
Speaker 1: that it would actually the ironic thing actually came back
Speaker 1: down and they crashed on that exact same spot. Oh
Speaker 1: my gosh, you're yeah, but I don't. I don't think
Speaker 1: it's I think it escape Velocity, didn't it. Yeah's flotting
Speaker 1: around somewhere near Mars or something. Yeah. Yeah, it's supposed
Speaker 1: to be bumped giant intergalactic game of pool bounce back.
Speaker 1: That'd be kind of fun. Anyhow, let's talk about this
Speaker 1: theory seriously. It was actually Nicola Tesla, the you know,
Speaker 1: famous energy guy, the smart guy scientist. He apparently had
Speaker 1: a giant tower that he was working on building. I
Speaker 1: had read in Colorado Springs, but Joe tells me I'm
Speaker 1: wrong about that place. I heard it was Long Island,
Speaker 1: New York, somewhere in America that was called Warden Cliff Tower,
Speaker 1: and it wasn't. He wasn't building it specifically, right, he
Speaker 1: was repurposing some kind of tower that was already there.
Speaker 1: I don't know if you're built to scratch or not.
Speaker 1: I know that there was already a building there. They
Speaker 1: built on top of this building. Yeah, but it was
Speaker 1: supposed to be this giant broadcast energy tower. Apparently that
Speaker 1: could broadcast ten billion watts of power worldwide wire energy,
Speaker 1: wireless energy, which theory cool. Sure, I don't know about
Speaker 1: the ten billion watts, but maybe I just scout tower.
Speaker 1: But don't come between Tower A and Tower BE. Basically, yeah,
Speaker 1: lots of dead pigeons in that area. Yeah. The crux
Speaker 1: of this theory goes generally that Tesla was mad at
Speaker 1: JP Morgan for not funding a the end of this
Speaker 1: building project. Yeah, apparently JP Morgan had cut off the
Speaker 1: funding for the event originally, but they decided he wasn't
Speaker 1: seeing results. Yeah, screw Tesla. So Tesla decided to show
Speaker 1: off the power of it or something not. It's not
Speaker 1: really really well fleshed out here. What what the reasoning
Speaker 1: was behind it? I think that I think the plan
Speaker 1: was a Tesla is going to give a demonstration by
Speaker 1: shooting a massive bolt of energy because apparently, if you
Speaker 1: read the about this theory, he was also besides the
Speaker 1: transmission to the to the air of electricity, was also
Speaker 1: working on this sort of death ray, although he preferred
Speaker 1: to call it the piece ray. Well yeah, well I
Speaker 1: I saw one of the websites referred to it as
Speaker 1: the rest in peace. Right people call it the piece
Speaker 1: ray because because it would be such a scarier weapon
Speaker 1: that war would become non existent. Although I got news
Speaker 1: for it doesn't work out that way, But everybody said
Speaker 1: that about nuclear weapons, it would make war absolutely Well,
Speaker 1: I didn't really work out that way. But anyway, he
Speaker 1: was going to put on to show the world who
Speaker 1: was everybody was skeptical. He was going to put on
Speaker 1: a demo by show by shooting a massive bolt of
Speaker 1: energy at the North Pole. Yeah, you know, and that
Speaker 1: would show people and he and he was going there
Speaker 1: and what was the name of the explorer that he
Speaker 1: told Robert Perry. Yeah, he was headed to the North
Speaker 1: Pole apparently at that time. And he told Robert Perry,
Speaker 1: watched for unnatural phenomena while you're out there wing wing.
Speaker 1: But that can mean anything, again, out of context, alying
Speaker 1: tenant to this show. Out of context, anything can mean anything.
Speaker 1: If the if the meeting even took place. And now
Speaker 1: I checked on Perry's last expedition. There's nineteen expedition and
Speaker 1: they left New York City July six, which was after
Speaker 1: the Tunguska Well, and you know, it's I guess it's
Speaker 1: a little possible even that by that time they had
Speaker 1: heard about the Tunguska event. I mean, I don't know that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it seems unlikely, but yeah, that's why. That's why. Well,
Speaker 1: the thing about it is is you read about the
Speaker 1: story in multiple places, but I don't know if it's
Speaker 1: actually got any basis in reality, which just just everybody
Speaker 1: somebody made it up and it's all been cut and pasted.
Speaker 1: I think people just like to have Tesla be this.
Speaker 1: He isn't every freaking story. I mean, you don't get
Speaker 1: me wrong. The guy was very smart and did some
Speaker 1: amazing things, but he is involved in very positive and
Speaker 1: very negative ways in so many story said. It's just
Speaker 1: there's no way he could have had any time to
Speaker 1: do any of the things he we know he did
Speaker 1: and do all those other things. Yeah, I'm sure he
Speaker 1: did a few, at least a few weird other world Yeah,
Speaker 1: but I don't think this was it. Next up is
Speaker 1: what I'm calling the Bogel Chandler. It's actually, uh, the
Speaker 1: idea of natural gas build up igniting somehow. Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: pretty similar to the theory behind that Bogel Chandler cases
Speaker 1: I mentioned a minute ago, and a couple others that
Speaker 1: we've talked about, and those who were talking about, Yeah,
Speaker 1: there are a ton of bogs in that area, and
Speaker 1: some scientists have speculated that there could have been a
Speaker 1: build up. Okay, these are all Every number in this
Speaker 1: story is just dr evil esque. You know, it's like billion.
Speaker 1: This one is ten million tons of gas could have
Speaker 1: built up in that area over a period of time
Speaker 1: and then exploded, which, okay, it's posible. Yeah, the idea
Speaker 1: that you get all these decomposing you know, plants and everything,
Speaker 1: and you get this layer of methane gas down there
Speaker 1: but it's frozen all the time, and if he's accumulating,
Speaker 1: and then one day you have about just an unseasonably
Speaker 1: warm summer and at all that ice melts and starts
Speaker 1: gassing off. The next thing you know, you've got this huge,
Speaker 1: enormous essentially fuel their mixture bomb hanging over the countryside.
Speaker 1: And a rock falls and causes a spark. Well there
Speaker 1: are one animal lighting a cigarette. Yeah, that's why they
Speaker 1: all died. Girls, Well, it could have been ignited by
Speaker 1: actual lightning, because as you may recall, the eyewitness reports
Speaker 1: did say there was a bolt of blue light. They
Speaker 1: said it was blue light, but who knows what it
Speaker 1: could have been. I will say you both remember this
Speaker 1: was too plus years ago. All those reports out of
Speaker 1: the Soviet blocks aren't showing up of these giant holes
Speaker 1: in the ground, and they couldn't figure route. And one
Speaker 1: of the prevalent early theories was there must be as
Speaker 1: Joe described, these giant pockets of gas that as things
Speaker 1: warmed up, all the gas heat it up and was
Speaker 1: released and then something ignited it to make these Now
Speaker 1: we've figured out since then they're pretty sure they're actually
Speaker 1: just sink holes because no material was ejected away. But
Speaker 1: that's that was the first thing I thought of after
Speaker 1: I got passed by paper UFO ship idea was that
Speaker 1: it must be just a giant gash bag that exploded,
Speaker 1: that had happened more often you would, and maybe it did,
Speaker 1: because there are those places in Oh lord, what is
Speaker 1: the place. There's some lake in Europe that is known
Speaker 1: or not Europe, in Asia that is known for having
Speaker 1: lights at night and no, but they figured out on
Speaker 1: this lake. It's in Asia, the Mendmen's or in Australia.
Speaker 1: But they figured out that it's gas that is leaking
Speaker 1: and occasionally igniting. And that's why people say that this
Speaker 1: lake is on fire all the time. It's just natural
Speaker 1: gas leaking out and something in the atmospheric conditions set
Speaker 1: it off. I don't think that's what this is, but
Speaker 1: it is very easy to say on a grand massage scale,
Speaker 1: that would make sense to explain what happened at Tungusca.
Speaker 1: It would except for the standard trees that was unaffected.
Speaker 1: That is it really explain. There's the second part of
Speaker 1: this theory, and that is a thing called Verndon s
Speaker 1: n a start a shot, which is basically an underground
Speaker 1: volcanic eruption, but from gas. I don't understand it. I
Speaker 1: can't explain it. Like I'm five. I think that's kind
Speaker 1: of the sink whole thing that we were just talking about. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think so too, but I don't. I don't think
Speaker 1: it's likely because it doesn't make sense with the tree pattern,
Speaker 1: the tree fall pattern. I don't think that that would
Speaker 1: have been Probably she was worth mentioning, and it probably
Speaker 1: would have been said, this sort of weird quasi volcanic activity.
Speaker 1: Don't you think I would? I would, But the only
Speaker 1: thing I will say is that the tremors could you know,
Speaker 1: it was basically earthquakes, so it could have been well, yeah,
Speaker 1: all right, next theory another they final theory. No, sorry,
Speaker 1: I just like that technical term that tossed out there.
Speaker 1: We've been doing a lot of technical terms in this
Speaker 1: I'm going to make a whole bunch of t shirts
Speaker 1: from this episode. It's the final theory in it is
Speaker 1: that it was a meteor or a comment or something
Speaker 1: like that. The big problem that people seem to have
Speaker 1: with this comment meteor theory is the lack of a crater,
Speaker 1: which I agree with. I think that's a problem that
Speaker 1: is to deal. And that's because I mean, it's not
Speaker 1: at all unusual for a decent sized meteor to come
Speaker 1: rock it again and explode in the atmosphere and not
Speaker 1: ever contact the earfect we had that one that was
Speaker 1: it five years ago in Russia, and another one that
Speaker 1: one which we all remember never touched never touched the
Speaker 1: surface at all. And but but the problem here is
Speaker 1: like that the numbers don't quite pencil because I mean,
Speaker 1: this one was so big, there must have been enough mass.
Speaker 1: There's no way it could have all like evaporated in
Speaker 1: the atmosphere. Something had to pit the ground. So let's
Speaker 1: talk about first or second, No, let's talk about like
Speaker 1: the lake from this lake like Checko, as we mentioned,
Speaker 1: has been I guess suggested as as a as a
Speaker 1: possible site for a meteor. And it goes back and forth.
Speaker 1: It's either it is the crater itself or it's hiding
Speaker 1: a big chunk of a meteor. It just happened to
Speaker 1: fall into this biggest lake and sort of rocket it
Speaker 1: off to the side over there and hit the lake. Yeah,
Speaker 1: just by happenstance, happened to disappear. Basically, Yeah, that's what
Speaker 1: there is. No nest in that lake. Yeah, we said
Speaker 1: that they did a ton of sampling of the silt
Speaker 1: and the lake bed that concluded that it was about
Speaker 1: five thousand years old, So that kind of gets rid
Speaker 1: of that theory, although that ended up being wrong about
Speaker 1: the actual time of when the lake was created. But
Speaker 1: it's been back and forth pretty much the entire time,
Speaker 1: a lot of scientists working on this and yeah, arguing
Speaker 1: back and forth about it. Yeah, there were studies in
Speaker 1: two thousand eight and two thousand seventeen that say the
Speaker 1: trees surrounding the lake are much older than a hundred
Speaker 1: years old, they should have been knocked down, and core
Speaker 1: samplings of the bedrock indicate a lake of at least
Speaker 1: two hundred and eighty years old, which isn't prehistoric, but
Speaker 1: it's not on in ten however, studies from two thousand
Speaker 1: one and two thousand nine indicate that the shape of
Speaker 1: the lake was consistent with an atmospheric creater of some kind,
Speaker 1: and further realized that the sediment could have easily been
Speaker 1: built up over a hundred years instead of just five
Speaker 1: thousand years or hundred or two hundred and eight years
Speaker 1: or anything like that. And actually the fact that it
Speaker 1: actually looks like it might have been a meteor impact.
Speaker 1: Doesn't mean it was this one. It could have been
Speaker 1: a previous have been a really old one. I'll just
Speaker 1: say that general consensus at the time of this recording,
Speaker 1: because it could change it any day. That is that
Speaker 1: at least the majority of this lake existed prior to
Speaker 1: this meteor hit or whatever it was. Yeah, because I
Speaker 1: think about Okay, let's let's just pretend that what we
Speaker 1: jokingly talked about in the beginning this theory actually happened.
Speaker 1: That this chunk of not the entire meteor, right or
Speaker 1: whatever it is, it hap to just conveniently land in
Speaker 1: this big gas lake that's five miles away from that center. Correct. Okay,
Speaker 1: it's still going to be really really hot and moving
Speaker 1: extremely fast and such that it is probably going to
Speaker 1: if it doesn't push all the water out of the
Speaker 1: lake or boil it all off, which are things that
Speaker 1: you think, well meteors would do because they're so freaking hot.
Speaker 1: But even if it doesn't do that, it is probably
Speaker 1: going to cause so much disturbance in the water, you know,
Speaker 1: undercurrents and impact like cavitation, almost that the whole lake
Speaker 1: bed is going to be stirred up, all of that
Speaker 1: sediment that would be going down would probably get all
Speaker 1: mixed up in that work would be one very dirty, dirty,
Speaker 1: non life supporting environment because of all of the stuff
Speaker 1: floating into it for a significant period of time. So
Speaker 1: that would make the stuff that they try to pull
Speaker 1: not make sense because you would think, bear with me here,
Speaker 1: if you pull core samples from five areas, they should
Speaker 1: be relatively similar in profile. But if the whole thing
Speaker 1: has been stirred up like a kid sticking a straw
Speaker 1: in a milkshake, then nothing's gonna match from one sample
Speaker 1: to the next. And that would a throw your results
Speaker 1: off and b should be an indicator. Wait, something really,
Speaker 1: really catastrophic happened in this aquatic ecosystem. So I don't
Speaker 1: I don't think that that could have happened, because it's
Speaker 1: just it would have been so much turmoil in I
Speaker 1: think we've been obviously did nothing matched from one spot
Speaker 1: to the next, and so it shouldn't make any sense.
Speaker 1: And I would think that would be to such a
Speaker 1: degree that would be very obvious. Think that the thing,
Speaker 1: the thing I don't really like about it is that
Speaker 1: the angle of the lake is the essentially north northwest
Speaker 1: of the of the impact site, Whereas the best estimates
Speaker 1: I've heard from science the scientists is that the media
Speaker 1: itself came in kind of from the essentially north fifty
Speaker 1: degrees east, so essentially that would be east southeast, which
Speaker 1: means that if it was a fragment of this common
Speaker 1: media or whatever it was, it would have had to
Speaker 1: come in essentially from the east, like I said, east
Speaker 1: southeast come in, and and then this other piece would
Speaker 1: have had to summon off fragment off and well, not
Speaker 1: not ninety degrees, but we're talking at least fifty degrees,
Speaker 1: which is a pretty make a sharp right turn to
Speaker 1: go up and hit the ground up here at this lake.
Speaker 1: So that's that's one of the things I can't quite
Speaker 1: that kind of makes me doubt the whole lake hypothesis
Speaker 1: to beginning. It would I totally agree, I discount the lake, yeah,
Speaker 1: pretty adamantly. The theory that most scientists seem to be
Speaker 1: a part of at this point point is that comment
Speaker 1: came down towards Earth, but slowed significantly and then just
Speaker 1: blew up in mid air apparently a stony asteroid about
Speaker 1: thirty three feet wide, which is ten meters wide, which
Speaker 1: is big, can produce an explosion of about a tons,
Speaker 1: which is similar to that of the fat Man bomb. Uh. Sorry,
Speaker 1: we didn't do a good name naming. I'm sorry, I
Speaker 1: you Uh what is it? Randall Monroe, the guy who
Speaker 1: writes X K C D. Is that his name? I
Speaker 1: always want to say Randall Flag But that's the guy
Speaker 1: from the stand. You gave me that what if book
Speaker 1: of his and I've just finished it and I was
Speaker 1: laughing because he was doing some problem in the end,
Speaker 1: and it was everything is related to the size of
Speaker 1: fat Man and Hiroshima, and it's just every It's just
Speaker 1: an easy way to kind of signify the amount of
Speaker 1: damage that can happen, ye say, somebody like you know,
Speaker 1: like that truckload of dynamite. Well, so what we want
Speaker 1: to see that we want to see the kind of
Speaker 1: carnage you can create, you know. Yeah, exactly by that
Speaker 1: number that we gave in the beginning, that that big
Speaker 1: of an asteroid would still be about a thousand times
Speaker 1: less powerful than the explosion. But but it has been
Speaker 1: downgraded a little bit, but not to that level, not
Speaker 1: that far. It's been downgraded I think by more recent
Speaker 1: simulations down the three to five megatons, but which is
Speaker 1: still far more a lot, a lot lot more. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but let's saying that just to put it in perspective.
Speaker 1: The Chiliabinsk media we're talking for five years ago, it
Speaker 1: was estimated to be about seventeen wide and about eleven
Speaker 1: thousand tons, so then, and that's still pretty decent size,
Speaker 1: did not come anywhere close to producing any kind of devastation.
Speaker 1: I was scared what we saw here at Tunguska. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and just briefly, we'll talk about that media in a second.
Speaker 1: But the reason that we know about the dimensions of
Speaker 1: stony meteor and how much blast it can produce is
Speaker 1: because the United States Air Force has been actually tracking
Speaker 1: a ton of upper atmosphere explosions of this size, so
Speaker 1: they're able to kind of extract lake out. They happen
Speaker 1: all the time in our upper atmosphere. When most of
Speaker 1: these things explode, there's so much crap floating around in
Speaker 1: our solar system is scary. You know. I'm actually surprised
Speaker 1: that at least every now and again one of our
Speaker 1: satellites isn't just smeared. Yeah, you know, because well I
Speaker 1: think they are. We just don't know about them so much.
Speaker 1: They don't tell us. But I mean, why do you
Speaker 1: think your Instagram feed just went down? It's not because
Speaker 1: you put up those really gross photos, just because the satellite.
Speaker 1: There's an estimate just but by these same people who
Speaker 1: do these models all the time, that explosion like the
Speaker 1: Tunguska one could could happen about once every three years.
Speaker 1: So there's some president of it, but it's it's unlikely.
Speaker 1: I know, Steve really wants to talk about this other
Speaker 1: so I have some the math that is recorded for
Speaker 1: Tunguska and Chilly Bins, they seem to be calculated in
Speaker 1: a different way, and I think part of it is
Speaker 1: because we have such good visual data of the most
Speaker 1: recent one in that area. Because it all depends on
Speaker 1: the angle or trajectory of the thing through the atmosphere.
Speaker 1: They never fall straight down. They always come in at
Speaker 1: a glancing angle, so then they experience a lot more
Speaker 1: turbulence and friction which then burns them up. And so
Speaker 1: of course Jellibinsk, I've had it here that it was
Speaker 1: equated to a four hundred explore ocean. Okay, well, that's
Speaker 1: because this thing appeared to have been completely and totally
Speaker 1: solid rock all the way through, and not nearly as
Speaker 1: big as what they say that the Tunguska one was.
Speaker 1: But I can The problem, of course is that Tungusca
Speaker 1: didn't leave any residue on the ground, any large bits
Speaker 1: and pieces of cot, right, But there are there are
Speaker 1: things that I mean, it could be a comet, or
Speaker 1: it could be um, it's not always a comet, but
Speaker 1: they I've read about asteroids or meteoroids that are basically
Speaker 1: a giant shell of stone and rock with a giant
Speaker 1: ice interior. So it's not so much an astro or
Speaker 1: a comet because it's not moving like a comet. But
Speaker 1: it's just it's the what's the snow cone thing you
Speaker 1: get at the at the county fair where they put
Speaker 1: the sprinkles on the outside, but it's all ice and side.
Speaker 1: It's the it's the interstellar version of that without the
Speaker 1: waffle cone. That's what they call that. Yes, yeah, what else?
Speaker 1: But it could be that by the time it got
Speaker 1: close enough it finally burned through the rock layer that
Speaker 1: when the whole thing just went boom, it did drive
Speaker 1: a whole bunch of crap into the earth. It just
Speaker 1: turned out that crap happened to be super dense ice
Speaker 1: which then melted. It's the old magic knife or knife
Speaker 1: blade or knife bullet, And that would actually also explain
Speaker 1: that glowy stuff we were talking about a little bit. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that it could have been ice crystals that got stuck
Speaker 1: in the atmosphere for a couple of days, because that's
Speaker 1: how long that was going on, that glowy technical term
Speaker 1: phenomenon was Yeah. But yeah, the the actual the mystery
Speaker 1: is still there. I mean a lot of people think
Speaker 1: this is totally solid. It actually hasn't quite. There's still
Speaker 1: some two b between the asteroid theory and the common
Speaker 1: theory believe it. Yeah, And the reason again back to
Speaker 1: what I was saying before they downgraded it to from
Speaker 1: fifteen to twenty megatons and they downgraded the explosions three
Speaker 1: to five. Before they were saying, Okay, it would have
Speaker 1: to have been x mass to produce this explosion. Therefore,
Speaker 1: there's something had to have hit the planet. Now they've
Speaker 1: downgraded it to a smaller mass. Therefore a smaller explosion
Speaker 1: that happened closer than we thought. Then I'm not so
Speaker 1: sure that it's the common theory is as necessary as
Speaker 1: it was seen to be previously. That's that's where the
Speaker 1: common theory kind of came from. Is because commets are
Speaker 1: kind of dirty snowballs that have some big chunks of rock,
Speaker 1: but they're also held together by methane and frozen water akies,
Speaker 1: and that would break apart create a huge boom, but
Speaker 1: the constituent parts are small enough they would all disintegrate
Speaker 1: before hitting the surface. But at the same time, you know,
Speaker 1: our our understanding of some of these objects, like stabless thing,
Speaker 1: has changed. We know that asteroids, for example, aren't all
Speaker 1: the same. Some of them may look like balls, you
Speaker 1: get we look at them up closer, now they look
Speaker 1: like sort of clumps of rocks kind of held together
Speaker 1: just by a slight mutual attraction of gravity and stuff
Speaker 1: like that. And the other the other difficulty is of course,
Speaker 1: at the angle, depending on the exact angle that it
Speaker 1: came in. When this thing exploded, it could have launched
Speaker 1: all of the rocky material forward in this kind of
Speaker 1: projection up and away and sent it hundreds of miles
Speaker 1: out before those bits came crashing down, which would be
Speaker 1: outside of the blast zone. So then nobody's looking there
Speaker 1: because well, all the flattened trees are here, so let's
Speaker 1: look in here for the bits, and they've actually been
Speaker 1: thrown away, kind of like you see it with um.
Speaker 1: With volcanoes. Sometimes you'll see those those weird smokey balls
Speaker 1: that will just go and it's just the random, weird
Speaker 1: ones that get thrown way out. That same phenomena can happen,
Speaker 1: and it just depends on what the material is. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's it's a big old mystery still though, Yeah it is.
Speaker 1: You know it's a celestial object of some sort. I
Speaker 1: would agree, common asteroid or something else in Yeah, but
Speaker 1: most likely a meteor um. But you know, maybe a comment.
Speaker 1: I mean there's not also a fragment of a comment
Speaker 1: with a piece of a comment too. I mean our
Speaker 1: understanding of comments has has been changing too. We used
Speaker 1: to think they were just all big snowballs, but there's
Speaker 1: there could be all kinds of different things. They don't
Speaker 1: have to do one thing or the other. So I
Speaker 1: can see a comment with a big old chunk of
Speaker 1: rock right at the core of it, you know, that
Speaker 1: would be big enough to make a big boom. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: do you have any other things you want to add
Speaker 1: to this? Um? Let me think We talked about Chippy
Speaker 1: last week, so not this week. Okay, okay, okay, okay,
Speaker 1: the UFO we did that whole thing. I've got nothing,
Speaker 1: but if I think of it, I'll interrupt you. And
Speaker 1: what you're going to do next? Yeah? Do you know
Speaker 1: I'm gonna do next? Is just say it was clearly
Speaker 1: da Vinci And that's all I have to say. I
Speaker 1: like to Da Vinci with Chip behind it, with an
Speaker 1: act DaVinci throw that kind of thing. Take me back
Speaker 1: to our home world, Yeah, take me back to the century. Well,
Speaker 1: I guess that's it for this episode. Then we figured
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Speaker 1: of those drumstick ice creams that I think I'm going
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