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Speaker 1: Hey there, welcome to another episode of Thinking Sideways the podcast.

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Speaker 1: I am Devin, joined as always by Joe and Steve.

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Speaker 1: Apparently I'm saying it for them now. Today we're going

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Speaker 1: to talk about a not true crime mystery, or if

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Speaker 1: maybe a true crime mystery. It was probably yeah, maybe

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Speaker 1: on a bigger yeah, I'm kind of like a bludgeon

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Speaker 1: It was blunt forest trauma. We're going to talk about

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Speaker 1: the Tunguska event. And this was originally suggested by Joseph

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Speaker 1: way back in two thousand fifteen, which kind of seems

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Speaker 1: like it was just yesterday. But that was a long

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Speaker 1: time ago. I gotta be honest with you. I kind

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Speaker 1: of thought we had covered this story. No, I've read

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Speaker 1: enough about this, and this was seems just kind of

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Speaker 1: the twenty five minute episodes, we totally must have covered

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Speaker 1: that one. Oh my god, start on the list. Yeah, sorry,

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Speaker 1: we didn't do it. We're gonna right now, though maybe

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Speaker 1: probably not much longer though sorry everyone know you like

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Speaker 1: those long ones. But it's not going to be this one. Actually, this, actually,

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Speaker 1: this particular event has been thoroughly explored by some very

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Speaker 1: credible scientists. Scientists incredible, some not, yeah, some some of both. So,

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Speaker 1: if you are unfamiliar with the Tunguska event, I happened

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Speaker 1: hundred and ten years ago in June of nineteen o

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Speaker 1: eight thirty of June, to be exact, A huge like

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Speaker 1: huge like like huge explosion isn't even pronouncible anymore, dude, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: a huge explosion rocked the isolated area of Siberia called

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Speaker 1: the isolated Area of Siberia. Like they're not isolated, No,

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Speaker 1: not even more. It's just one of these, one of

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Speaker 1: But this one had the name. It's called governance, now

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Speaker 1: the Tunguska event even though Tungusca isn't a place. Actually, yeah,

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Speaker 1: ball lightning. Yeah, I mean the release of energy would

425
00:25:49,560 --> 00:25:57,919
Speaker 1: be like a like a ten megaton like that's actually

426
00:25:58,040 --> 00:26:01,520
Speaker 1: that is what those theories are out now. I suspect

427
00:26:01,560 --> 00:26:03,399
Speaker 1: that something the size of a comet hitting hitting the

428
00:26:03,440 --> 00:26:05,440
Speaker 1: planet Earth it was anti matter, would be a lot

429
00:26:05,520 --> 00:26:08,960
Speaker 1: bigger than well. The problem, yeah, the problem is here

430
00:26:09,080 --> 00:26:11,560
Speaker 1: and we'll talk more about this kind of in the

431
00:26:11,920 --> 00:26:15,200
Speaker 1: comic media theory. But the problem is is that for

432
00:26:15,359 --> 00:26:20,240
Speaker 1: something big enough made of matter orienting matter to survive

433
00:26:20,800 --> 00:26:25,000
Speaker 1: through our atmosphere, it has to be bigger because it

434
00:26:25,040 --> 00:26:27,680
Speaker 1: would have made a bigger it would have been made

435
00:26:27,720 --> 00:26:31,440
Speaker 1: a bigger explosion. But if it was little to make

436
00:26:31,480 --> 00:26:34,480
Speaker 1: an explosion of this size, it would have just disintegrated

437
00:26:34,560 --> 00:26:37,120
Speaker 1: in long before it got that close to the serious Yeah.

438
00:26:37,200 --> 00:26:40,440
Speaker 1: Exactually you know, just fun fun science fact. Actually animator

439
00:26:40,520 --> 00:26:43,720
Speaker 1: hits hits the Earth every day constantly. Yeah, And actually

440
00:26:43,800 --> 00:26:45,040
Speaker 1: that's what I was going to say, is the bad

441
00:26:45,119 --> 00:26:47,760
Speaker 1: news for this theory is that in nineteen fifty eight

442
00:26:48,119 --> 00:26:51,119
Speaker 1: they were able to disprove that. By the size that

443
00:26:51,200 --> 00:26:52,879
Speaker 1: it would have had to have been, it would have

444
00:26:52,920 --> 00:26:57,000
Speaker 1: either been killed all the dinosaurs kind of explosion, or

445
00:26:57,400 --> 00:27:01,080
Speaker 1: it would have totally disintegrated in their atmosphere, because that's

446
00:27:01,119 --> 00:27:04,040
Speaker 1: what they usually do. This one doesn't matter, So it

447
00:27:04,080 --> 00:27:06,159
Speaker 1: doesn't matter. It's a cool theory though. I like it,

448
00:27:06,640 --> 00:27:08,639
Speaker 1: you know. I mean, I hope that if an animate

449
00:27:08,680 --> 00:27:11,240
Speaker 1: of common comes by one of these days that won't

450
00:27:11,320 --> 00:27:13,280
Speaker 1: hit us. Yeah, I could hit one of those other

451
00:27:13,400 --> 00:27:15,160
Speaker 1: dumb planets. Yeah, I feel like I kind of feel

452
00:27:15,160 --> 00:27:17,400
Speaker 1: the same way about just matter of comics for that matter.

453
00:27:17,480 --> 00:27:20,199
Speaker 1: I don't know pun intended. I don't want either want

454
00:27:20,200 --> 00:27:22,120
Speaker 1: have been hitting us. I don't really either yet. Yeah.

455
00:27:22,600 --> 00:27:27,000
Speaker 1: The next theory is that it was an alien craft

456
00:27:27,080 --> 00:27:30,240
Speaker 1: that exploded. This one has been around a long time

457
00:27:30,240 --> 00:27:32,560
Speaker 1: because I remember hearing this one when I was a kid. Yeah,

458
00:27:32,560 --> 00:27:35,080
Speaker 1: because this story has been around a long time since.

459
00:27:35,320 --> 00:27:38,280
Speaker 1: I think it probably happened when you were like nine

460
00:27:38,400 --> 00:27:44,840
Speaker 1: or ten. No, it has. This story has been around

461
00:27:44,880 --> 00:27:47,040
Speaker 1: for a hundred and ten years actually, and the people

462
00:27:47,080 --> 00:27:50,920
Speaker 1: have been fascinated for at least ninety of those years. Yeah,

463
00:27:51,080 --> 00:27:53,320
Speaker 1: But it wasn't until like the sixties or so, you

464
00:27:53,359 --> 00:27:55,679
Speaker 1: started getting a lot of paranormal type books coming out,

465
00:27:56,760 --> 00:28:00,480
Speaker 1: slowly started leaking out of the Eastern Block. But it

466
00:28:00,600 --> 00:28:04,480
Speaker 1: had that weird mystique because well, they were keeping it

467
00:28:04,600 --> 00:28:06,920
Speaker 1: behind the iron curtain. You didn't know what was there.

468
00:28:07,040 --> 00:28:10,320
Speaker 1: So there was it had a different flavor and a

469
00:28:10,400 --> 00:28:13,920
Speaker 1: different panash is not the right where, but it just

470
00:28:14,080 --> 00:28:17,360
Speaker 1: it got people going, yeah, still does actually, I think

471
00:28:17,440 --> 00:28:20,199
Speaker 1: a lot of times. The theory here, the most prevalent

472
00:28:20,240 --> 00:28:23,639
Speaker 1: theory that I've seen, the reason for the alien craft

473
00:28:23,760 --> 00:28:26,680
Speaker 1: being there and being so low to the ground is

474
00:28:26,760 --> 00:28:29,960
Speaker 1: that it was that lake you remember we were talking about.

475
00:28:29,960 --> 00:28:33,800
Speaker 1: It's Lake Checko that's close by. The theory is that

476
00:28:34,080 --> 00:28:37,480
Speaker 1: they Siberia would be a place that you an alien

477
00:28:37,560 --> 00:28:41,440
Speaker 1: craft who was just trying to do research, scientific recon research.

478
00:28:42,280 --> 00:28:45,920
Speaker 1: It's isolated enough that, yeah, that would be the kind

479
00:28:45,920 --> 00:28:47,800
Speaker 1: of place that they would want to go to not

480
00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:51,320
Speaker 1: get caught. So the theory is that they were trying

481
00:28:51,360 --> 00:28:53,880
Speaker 1: to take some water samples or something like that, or

482
00:28:54,520 --> 00:28:57,000
Speaker 1: fuel up with water something. They're doing something with the

483
00:28:57,080 --> 00:29:00,160
Speaker 1: water in the lake in Lake Checko, and some how

484
00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:02,400
Speaker 1: it just exploded. Somebody hit the wrong But they were

485
00:29:02,440 --> 00:29:06,400
Speaker 1: trying to put something in Mr Fusion, And that gets

486
00:29:06,440 --> 00:29:08,160
Speaker 1: back to my what I was saying when we talked

487
00:29:08,200 --> 00:29:11,480
Speaker 1: about the secret base in Antarctica. You know, as you

488
00:29:11,520 --> 00:29:14,680
Speaker 1: can be confronted with these aliens who had this fantastic technology,

489
00:29:14,760 --> 00:29:17,640
Speaker 1: and that doesn't mean they're not just dumb masses. They

490
00:29:17,680 --> 00:29:19,960
Speaker 1: can totally be they can totally be just dumb. So

491
00:29:20,080 --> 00:29:22,440
Speaker 1: that I think somebody hit the wrong button. But when

492
00:29:22,480 --> 00:29:24,080
Speaker 1: I was a kid, the first time I ever heard

493
00:29:24,160 --> 00:29:26,880
Speaker 1: this story, it was in a book that I referenced before,

494
00:29:27,640 --> 00:29:31,200
Speaker 1: Stranger Than Science by Frank Edwards, and he talked about

495
00:29:31,240 --> 00:29:34,440
Speaker 1: this one in his story was the alien craft came

496
00:29:34,480 --> 00:29:36,080
Speaker 1: down to Earth, and it was like it was like

497
00:29:36,120 --> 00:29:39,280
Speaker 1: an emergency ditch kind of deal because there, you know,

498
00:29:39,400 --> 00:29:42,440
Speaker 1: they're there's they're positronic reactor was overloading and they were

499
00:29:42,440 --> 00:29:44,080
Speaker 1: gonna blow and they needed a part in place of

500
00:29:44,160 --> 00:29:46,840
Speaker 1: land right now, and so they picked Siberia because it's

501
00:29:46,880 --> 00:29:49,719
Speaker 1: the most isolated placed, so you know, you know, if

502
00:29:49,720 --> 00:29:51,760
Speaker 1: it did blow up, then not not as many people

503
00:29:51,800 --> 00:29:54,360
Speaker 1: would get killed on the ground, So that no very

504
00:29:54,600 --> 00:29:56,440
Speaker 1: very I thought so too. So that was his theory,

505
00:29:56,600 --> 00:29:58,800
Speaker 1: is that it was a desperate alien trying to land

506
00:29:58,800 --> 00:30:02,760
Speaker 1: his craft, but you didn't. It does seem like parts

507
00:30:02,840 --> 00:30:06,800
Speaker 1: of alien craft would have been found if that were

508
00:30:06,840 --> 00:30:09,560
Speaker 1: in fact what had happened. Well, I actually have a

509
00:30:09,640 --> 00:30:12,360
Speaker 1: cutter that. Okay, have you ever built the boat? You

510
00:30:12,360 --> 00:30:15,240
Speaker 1: ever built the paper boat? You know, folded and then

511
00:30:15,280 --> 00:30:17,600
Speaker 1: you can flip the little paper boat down the waterway

512
00:30:17,720 --> 00:30:20,040
Speaker 1: or down the gutter or whatever. Yes, So now you

513
00:30:20,160 --> 00:30:23,040
Speaker 1: just scale that up and you slap some nuclear reactors

514
00:30:23,160 --> 00:30:26,160
Speaker 1: on there, and there it is the paper alien. So

515
00:30:26,680 --> 00:30:30,440
Speaker 1: it exploded and burned up. You're saying that interstellar travel

516
00:30:30,640 --> 00:30:34,560
Speaker 1: is done by paper. Yeah, you've got to use about

517
00:30:34,560 --> 00:30:38,200
Speaker 1: a hundred and twenty bond though that that crappy forty

518
00:30:38,320 --> 00:30:42,200
Speaker 1: pounds stuff just will not survive for the entry. I

519
00:30:42,240 --> 00:30:45,680
Speaker 1: guess another theory similar to that could be that that

520
00:30:45,880 --> 00:30:48,800
Speaker 1: the Leonardo da Vinci spacecrafts that were made out of

521
00:30:48,880 --> 00:30:52,840
Speaker 1: wood were actually feasible, and that's actually he is actually

522
00:30:52,880 --> 00:30:55,800
Speaker 1: an alien and he was just trying to tell us that. Yeah,

523
00:30:56,800 --> 00:31:01,960
Speaker 1: and then it did explode his corpse and said, egg dude,

524
00:31:02,040 --> 00:31:04,440
Speaker 1: you know, let's see that spaceship come on. And so

525
00:31:04,640 --> 00:31:06,720
Speaker 1: you tried, it didn't quite work out, and I blew

526
00:31:06,840 --> 00:31:10,800
Speaker 1: up and c nuclear reactor just you know, couldn't quite handles.

527
00:31:13,760 --> 00:31:15,760
Speaker 1: But the only thing I will mention here is that

528
00:31:16,200 --> 00:31:22,280
Speaker 1: there the Russians did do one exploration of the area

529
00:31:22,320 --> 00:31:25,960
Speaker 1: in two thousand four and apparently found some stuff, but

530
00:31:26,120 --> 00:31:31,440
Speaker 1: I haven't publicly released what they found, which doesn't surprise me.

531
00:31:31,480 --> 00:31:33,440
Speaker 1: They probably didn't actually find anything, and people are just

532
00:31:33,600 --> 00:31:37,320
Speaker 1: blowing the sweat proportioned. But you know, probably found a

533
00:31:37,400 --> 00:31:42,480
Speaker 1: giant weed for me. I don't know. Next theory, let's

534
00:31:42,520 --> 00:31:48,479
Speaker 1: hear the next theory. Tesla Tesla, the car could someday

535
00:31:48,560 --> 00:31:51,240
Speaker 1: crashed down and cause it explosion that he was just

536
00:31:51,320 --> 00:31:53,800
Speaker 1: sending it to radio to Rainbow Road. I'm pretty sure

537
00:31:53,880 --> 00:31:56,840
Speaker 1: that it would actually the ironic thing actually came back

538
00:31:56,880 --> 00:31:59,160
Speaker 1: down and they crashed on that exact same spot. Oh

539
00:31:59,200 --> 00:32:01,600
Speaker 1: my gosh, you're yeah, but I don't. I don't think

540
00:32:01,640 --> 00:32:05,840
Speaker 1: it's I think it escape Velocity, didn't it. Yeah's flotting

541
00:32:05,920 --> 00:32:10,280
Speaker 1: around somewhere near Mars or something. Yeah. Yeah, it's supposed

542
00:32:10,280 --> 00:32:15,520
Speaker 1: to be bumped giant intergalactic game of pool bounce back.

543
00:32:15,600 --> 00:32:17,480
Speaker 1: That'd be kind of fun. Anyhow, let's talk about this

544
00:32:17,600 --> 00:32:20,840
Speaker 1: theory seriously. It was actually Nicola Tesla, the you know,

545
00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:25,400
Speaker 1: famous energy guy, the smart guy scientist. He apparently had

546
00:32:25,480 --> 00:32:28,440
Speaker 1: a giant tower that he was working on building. I

547
00:32:28,600 --> 00:32:30,880
Speaker 1: had read in Colorado Springs, but Joe tells me I'm

548
00:32:30,920 --> 00:32:33,280
Speaker 1: wrong about that place. I heard it was Long Island,

549
00:32:33,320 --> 00:32:37,160
Speaker 1: New York, somewhere in America that was called Warden Cliff Tower,

550
00:32:38,120 --> 00:32:42,120
Speaker 1: and it wasn't. He wasn't building it specifically, right, he

551
00:32:42,200 --> 00:32:45,480
Speaker 1: was repurposing some kind of tower that was already there.

552
00:32:46,200 --> 00:32:48,320
Speaker 1: I don't know if you're built to scratch or not.

553
00:32:48,560 --> 00:32:51,640
Speaker 1: I know that there was already a building there. They

554
00:32:51,680 --> 00:32:53,920
Speaker 1: built on top of this building. Yeah, but it was

555
00:32:54,000 --> 00:32:58,600
Speaker 1: supposed to be this giant broadcast energy tower. Apparently that

556
00:32:58,680 --> 00:33:05,080
Speaker 1: could broadcast ten billion watts of power worldwide wire energy,

557
00:33:05,400 --> 00:33:09,560
Speaker 1: wireless energy, which theory cool. Sure, I don't know about

558
00:33:09,560 --> 00:33:13,320
Speaker 1: the ten billion watts, but maybe I just scout tower.

559
00:33:13,400 --> 00:33:17,880
Speaker 1: But don't come between Tower A and Tower BE. Basically, yeah,

560
00:33:18,120 --> 00:33:22,480
Speaker 1: lots of dead pigeons in that area. Yeah. The crux

561
00:33:22,520 --> 00:33:26,840
Speaker 1: of this theory goes generally that Tesla was mad at

562
00:33:27,000 --> 00:33:31,040
Speaker 1: JP Morgan for not funding a the end of this

563
00:33:31,360 --> 00:33:34,400
Speaker 1: building project. Yeah, apparently JP Morgan had cut off the

564
00:33:34,440 --> 00:33:37,360
Speaker 1: funding for the event originally, but they decided he wasn't

565
00:33:37,360 --> 00:33:42,560
Speaker 1: seeing results. Yeah, screw Tesla. So Tesla decided to show

566
00:33:42,640 --> 00:33:45,920
Speaker 1: off the power of it or something not. It's not

567
00:33:46,040 --> 00:33:50,640
Speaker 1: really really well fleshed out here. What what the reasoning

568
00:33:50,840 --> 00:33:53,760
Speaker 1: was behind it? I think that I think the plan

569
00:33:54,040 --> 00:33:56,200
Speaker 1: was a Tesla is going to give a demonstration by

570
00:33:56,240 --> 00:33:59,480
Speaker 1: shooting a massive bolt of energy because apparently, if you

571
00:33:59,520 --> 00:34:02,000
Speaker 1: read the about this theory, he was also besides the

572
00:34:02,400 --> 00:34:05,920
Speaker 1: transmission to the to the air of electricity, was also

573
00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:08,880
Speaker 1: working on this sort of death ray, although he preferred

574
00:34:08,880 --> 00:34:11,880
Speaker 1: to call it the piece ray. Well yeah, well I

575
00:34:12,440 --> 00:34:14,520
Speaker 1: I saw one of the websites referred to it as

576
00:34:14,600 --> 00:34:18,479
Speaker 1: the rest in peace. Right people call it the piece

577
00:34:18,560 --> 00:34:21,240
Speaker 1: ray because because it would be such a scarier weapon

578
00:34:21,480 --> 00:34:24,279
Speaker 1: that war would become non existent. Although I got news

579
00:34:24,320 --> 00:34:27,439
Speaker 1: for it doesn't work out that way, But everybody said

580
00:34:27,440 --> 00:34:29,880
Speaker 1: that about nuclear weapons, it would make war absolutely Well,

581
00:34:29,920 --> 00:34:32,440
Speaker 1: I didn't really work out that way. But anyway, he

582
00:34:32,520 --> 00:34:34,440
Speaker 1: was going to put on to show the world who

583
00:34:34,520 --> 00:34:36,759
Speaker 1: was everybody was skeptical. He was going to put on

584
00:34:36,800 --> 00:34:39,719
Speaker 1: a demo by show by shooting a massive bolt of

585
00:34:39,920 --> 00:34:43,080
Speaker 1: energy at the North Pole. Yeah, you know, and that

586
00:34:43,120 --> 00:34:46,160
Speaker 1: would show people and he and he was going there

587
00:34:46,280 --> 00:34:48,360
Speaker 1: and what was the name of the explorer that he

588
00:34:48,520 --> 00:34:52,839
Speaker 1: told Robert Perry. Yeah, he was headed to the North

589
00:34:53,000 --> 00:34:56,040
Speaker 1: Pole apparently at that time. And he told Robert Perry,

590
00:34:56,680 --> 00:35:00,600
Speaker 1: watched for unnatural phenomena while you're out there wing wing.

591
00:35:00,840 --> 00:35:04,840
Speaker 1: But that can mean anything, again, out of context, alying

592
00:35:04,880 --> 00:35:07,960
Speaker 1: tenant to this show. Out of context, anything can mean anything.

593
00:35:08,400 --> 00:35:10,759
Speaker 1: If the if the meeting even took place. And now

594
00:35:10,800 --> 00:35:14,719
Speaker 1: I checked on Perry's last expedition. There's nineteen expedition and

595
00:35:14,760 --> 00:35:18,960
Speaker 1: they left New York City July six, which was after

596
00:35:19,160 --> 00:35:22,600
Speaker 1: the Tunguska Well, and you know, it's I guess it's

597
00:35:22,840 --> 00:35:25,359
Speaker 1: a little possible even that by that time they had

598
00:35:25,440 --> 00:35:30,759
Speaker 1: heard about the Tunguska event. I mean, I don't know that. Yeah,

599
00:35:30,760 --> 00:35:33,160
Speaker 1: it seems unlikely, but yeah, that's why. That's why. Well,

600
00:35:33,760 --> 00:35:35,440
Speaker 1: the thing about it is is you read about the

601
00:35:35,520 --> 00:35:37,839
Speaker 1: story in multiple places, but I don't know if it's

602
00:35:37,880 --> 00:35:40,400
Speaker 1: actually got any basis in reality, which just just everybody

603
00:35:40,680 --> 00:35:42,760
Speaker 1: somebody made it up and it's all been cut and pasted.

604
00:35:42,880 --> 00:35:45,840
Speaker 1: I think people just like to have Tesla be this.

605
00:35:46,320 --> 00:35:49,200
Speaker 1: He isn't every freaking story. I mean, you don't get

606
00:35:49,200 --> 00:35:51,800
Speaker 1: me wrong. The guy was very smart and did some

607
00:35:51,920 --> 00:35:56,560
Speaker 1: amazing things, but he is involved in very positive and

608
00:35:56,719 --> 00:36:00,480
Speaker 1: very negative ways in so many story said. It's just

609
00:36:00,840 --> 00:36:02,960
Speaker 1: there's no way he could have had any time to

610
00:36:03,040 --> 00:36:05,359
Speaker 1: do any of the things he we know he did

611
00:36:05,800 --> 00:36:07,880
Speaker 1: and do all those other things. Yeah, I'm sure he

612
00:36:07,920 --> 00:36:11,080
Speaker 1: did a few, at least a few weird other world Yeah,

613
00:36:11,080 --> 00:36:14,279
Speaker 1: but I don't think this was it. Next up is

614
00:36:14,520 --> 00:36:20,000
Speaker 1: what I'm calling the Bogel Chandler. It's actually, uh, the

615
00:36:20,080 --> 00:36:26,520
Speaker 1: idea of natural gas build up igniting somehow. Yeah, it's

616
00:36:27,480 --> 00:36:31,960
Speaker 1: pretty similar to the theory behind that Bogel Chandler cases

617
00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:34,239
Speaker 1: I mentioned a minute ago, and a couple others that

618
00:36:34,280 --> 00:36:37,759
Speaker 1: we've talked about, and those who were talking about, Yeah,

619
00:36:38,040 --> 00:36:40,480
Speaker 1: there are a ton of bogs in that area, and

620
00:36:40,640 --> 00:36:43,719
Speaker 1: some scientists have speculated that there could have been a

621
00:36:43,800 --> 00:36:47,160
Speaker 1: build up. Okay, these are all Every number in this

622
00:36:47,280 --> 00:36:52,560
Speaker 1: story is just dr evil esque. You know, it's like billion.

623
00:36:52,719 --> 00:36:55,880
Speaker 1: This one is ten million tons of gas could have

624
00:36:56,000 --> 00:36:58,279
Speaker 1: built up in that area over a period of time

625
00:36:58,719 --> 00:37:03,880
Speaker 1: and then exploded, which, okay, it's posible. Yeah, the idea

626
00:37:03,960 --> 00:37:07,960
Speaker 1: that you get all these decomposing you know, plants and everything,

627
00:37:08,040 --> 00:37:10,759
Speaker 1: and you get this layer of methane gas down there

628
00:37:10,920 --> 00:37:13,480
Speaker 1: but it's frozen all the time, and if he's accumulating,

629
00:37:13,520 --> 00:37:15,319
Speaker 1: and then one day you have about just an unseasonably

630
00:37:15,400 --> 00:37:19,560
Speaker 1: warm summer and at all that ice melts and starts

631
00:37:19,600 --> 00:37:22,440
Speaker 1: gassing off. The next thing you know, you've got this huge,

632
00:37:22,600 --> 00:37:26,960
Speaker 1: enormous essentially fuel their mixture bomb hanging over the countryside.

633
00:37:27,000 --> 00:37:30,160
Speaker 1: And a rock falls and causes a spark. Well there

634
00:37:30,160 --> 00:37:33,279
Speaker 1: are one animal lighting a cigarette. Yeah, that's why they

635
00:37:33,320 --> 00:37:37,360
Speaker 1: all died. Girls, Well, it could have been ignited by

636
00:37:37,400 --> 00:37:41,000
Speaker 1: actual lightning, because as you may recall, the eyewitness reports

637
00:37:41,160 --> 00:37:43,840
Speaker 1: did say there was a bolt of blue light. They

638
00:37:43,880 --> 00:37:46,960
Speaker 1: said it was blue light, but who knows what it

639
00:37:46,960 --> 00:37:50,200
Speaker 1: could have been. I will say you both remember this

640
00:37:50,480 --> 00:37:54,200
Speaker 1: was too plus years ago. All those reports out of

641
00:37:54,239 --> 00:37:57,800
Speaker 1: the Soviet blocks aren't showing up of these giant holes

642
00:37:57,880 --> 00:38:00,719
Speaker 1: in the ground, and they couldn't figure route. And one

643
00:38:00,800 --> 00:38:04,560
Speaker 1: of the prevalent early theories was there must be as

644
00:38:04,680 --> 00:38:09,759
Speaker 1: Joe described, these giant pockets of gas that as things

645
00:38:09,880 --> 00:38:12,719
Speaker 1: warmed up, all the gas heat it up and was

646
00:38:12,880 --> 00:38:16,000
Speaker 1: released and then something ignited it to make these Now

647
00:38:16,120 --> 00:38:19,360
Speaker 1: we've figured out since then they're pretty sure they're actually

648
00:38:19,520 --> 00:38:23,920
Speaker 1: just sink holes because no material was ejected away. But

649
00:38:24,840 --> 00:38:27,239
Speaker 1: that's that was the first thing I thought of after

650
00:38:27,360 --> 00:38:30,759
Speaker 1: I got passed by paper UFO ship idea was that

651
00:38:30,920 --> 00:38:35,200
Speaker 1: it must be just a giant gash bag that exploded,

652
00:38:36,960 --> 00:38:40,920
Speaker 1: that had happened more often you would, and maybe it did,

653
00:38:40,960 --> 00:38:45,200
Speaker 1: because there are those places in Oh lord, what is

654
00:38:45,320 --> 00:38:49,319
Speaker 1: the place. There's some lake in Europe that is known

655
00:38:49,760 --> 00:38:53,160
Speaker 1: or not Europe, in Asia that is known for having

656
00:38:53,520 --> 00:38:58,080
Speaker 1: lights at night and no, but they figured out on

657
00:38:58,160 --> 00:39:01,000
Speaker 1: this lake. It's in Asia, the Mendmen's or in Australia.

658
00:39:01,360 --> 00:39:04,120
Speaker 1: But they figured out that it's gas that is leaking

659
00:39:04,880 --> 00:39:08,560
Speaker 1: and occasionally igniting. And that's why people say that this

660
00:39:08,719 --> 00:39:10,960
Speaker 1: lake is on fire all the time. It's just natural

661
00:39:11,080 --> 00:39:15,000
Speaker 1: gas leaking out and something in the atmospheric conditions set

662
00:39:15,080 --> 00:39:18,120
Speaker 1: it off. I don't think that's what this is, but

663
00:39:18,280 --> 00:39:22,840
Speaker 1: it is very easy to say on a grand massage scale,

664
00:39:23,440 --> 00:39:27,160
Speaker 1: that would make sense to explain what happened at Tungusca.

665
00:39:27,440 --> 00:39:30,840
Speaker 1: It would except for the standard trees that was unaffected.

666
00:39:31,120 --> 00:39:34,680
Speaker 1: That is it really explain. There's the second part of

667
00:39:34,760 --> 00:39:37,840
Speaker 1: this theory, and that is a thing called Verndon s

668
00:39:39,600 --> 00:39:44,040
Speaker 1: n a start a shot, which is basically an underground

669
00:39:44,120 --> 00:39:48,320
Speaker 1: volcanic eruption, but from gas. I don't understand it. I

670
00:39:48,440 --> 00:39:51,719
Speaker 1: can't explain it. Like I'm five. I think that's kind

671
00:39:51,760 --> 00:39:56,800
Speaker 1: of the sink whole thing that we were just talking about. Yeah,

672
00:39:57,040 --> 00:39:59,319
Speaker 1: I think so too, but I don't. I don't think

673
00:39:59,360 --> 00:40:02,640
Speaker 1: it's likely because it doesn't make sense with the tree pattern,

674
00:40:02,760 --> 00:40:04,759
Speaker 1: the tree fall pattern. I don't think that that would

675
00:40:04,800 --> 00:40:07,400
Speaker 1: have been Probably she was worth mentioning, and it probably

676
00:40:07,400 --> 00:40:10,880
Speaker 1: would have been said, this sort of weird quasi volcanic activity.

677
00:40:10,960 --> 00:40:15,120
Speaker 1: Don't you think I would? I would, But the only

678
00:40:15,280 --> 00:40:19,680
Speaker 1: thing I will say is that the tremors could you know,

679
00:40:19,840 --> 00:40:24,839
Speaker 1: it was basically earthquakes, so it could have been well, yeah,

680
00:40:25,760 --> 00:40:30,919
Speaker 1: all right, next theory another they final theory. No, sorry,

681
00:40:30,960 --> 00:40:33,200
Speaker 1: I just like that technical term that tossed out there.

682
00:40:33,840 --> 00:40:35,440
Speaker 1: We've been doing a lot of technical terms in this

683
00:40:37,480 --> 00:40:39,040
Speaker 1: I'm going to make a whole bunch of t shirts

684
00:40:39,040 --> 00:40:42,719
Speaker 1: from this episode. It's the final theory in it is

685
00:40:42,880 --> 00:40:44,919
Speaker 1: that it was a meteor or a comment or something

686
00:40:45,040 --> 00:40:48,040
Speaker 1: like that. The big problem that people seem to have

687
00:40:48,239 --> 00:40:52,800
Speaker 1: with this comment meteor theory is the lack of a crater,

688
00:40:53,280 --> 00:40:56,440
Speaker 1: which I agree with. I think that's a problem that

689
00:40:56,640 --> 00:41:00,040
Speaker 1: is to deal. And that's because I mean, it's not

690
00:41:00,160 --> 00:41:02,440
Speaker 1: at all unusual for a decent sized meteor to come

691
00:41:02,600 --> 00:41:05,680
Speaker 1: rock it again and explode in the atmosphere and not

692
00:41:05,840 --> 00:41:07,960
Speaker 1: ever contact the earfect we had that one that was

693
00:41:08,000 --> 00:41:12,719
Speaker 1: it five years ago in Russia, and another one that

694
00:41:12,840 --> 00:41:16,320
Speaker 1: one which we all remember never touched never touched the

695
00:41:16,400 --> 00:41:20,279
Speaker 1: surface at all. And but but the problem here is

696
00:41:20,320 --> 00:41:23,120
Speaker 1: like that the numbers don't quite pencil because I mean,

697
00:41:23,160 --> 00:41:25,680
Speaker 1: this one was so big, there must have been enough mass.

698
00:41:25,719 --> 00:41:28,360
Speaker 1: There's no way it could have all like evaporated in

699
00:41:28,440 --> 00:41:31,600
Speaker 1: the atmosphere. Something had to pit the ground. So let's

700
00:41:31,600 --> 00:41:36,440
Speaker 1: talk about first or second, No, let's talk about like

701
00:41:36,680 --> 00:41:41,040
Speaker 1: the lake from this lake like Checko, as we mentioned,

702
00:41:41,680 --> 00:41:47,600
Speaker 1: has been I guess suggested as as a as a

703
00:41:47,640 --> 00:41:51,160
Speaker 1: possible site for a meteor. And it goes back and forth.

704
00:41:51,880 --> 00:41:56,000
Speaker 1: It's either it is the crater itself or it's hiding

705
00:41:56,000 --> 00:41:58,320
Speaker 1: a big chunk of a meteor. It just happened to

706
00:41:58,440 --> 00:42:02,160
Speaker 1: fall into this biggest lake and sort of rocket it

707
00:42:02,239 --> 00:42:04,680
Speaker 1: off to the side over there and hit the lake. Yeah,

708
00:42:04,760 --> 00:42:09,400
Speaker 1: just by happenstance, happened to disappear. Basically, Yeah, that's what

709
00:42:09,600 --> 00:42:13,799
Speaker 1: there is. No nest in that lake. Yeah, we said

710
00:42:13,880 --> 00:42:16,200
Speaker 1: that they did a ton of sampling of the silt

711
00:42:16,280 --> 00:42:19,640
Speaker 1: and the lake bed that concluded that it was about

712
00:42:19,719 --> 00:42:22,239
Speaker 1: five thousand years old, So that kind of gets rid

713
00:42:22,280 --> 00:42:26,440
Speaker 1: of that theory, although that ended up being wrong about

714
00:42:26,640 --> 00:42:29,759
Speaker 1: the actual time of when the lake was created. But

715
00:42:30,480 --> 00:42:34,799
Speaker 1: it's been back and forth pretty much the entire time,

716
00:42:34,960 --> 00:42:37,800
Speaker 1: a lot of scientists working on this and yeah, arguing

717
00:42:37,840 --> 00:42:40,640
Speaker 1: back and forth about it. Yeah, there were studies in

718
00:42:40,719 --> 00:42:43,440
Speaker 1: two thousand eight and two thousand seventeen that say the

719
00:42:43,560 --> 00:42:46,160
Speaker 1: trees surrounding the lake are much older than a hundred

720
00:42:46,280 --> 00:42:51,120
Speaker 1: years old, they should have been knocked down, and core

721
00:42:51,200 --> 00:42:54,319
Speaker 1: samplings of the bedrock indicate a lake of at least

722
00:42:54,360 --> 00:42:58,160
Speaker 1: two hundred and eighty years old, which isn't prehistoric, but

723
00:42:58,280 --> 00:43:02,760
Speaker 1: it's not on in ten however, studies from two thousand

724
00:43:02,920 --> 00:43:05,640
Speaker 1: one and two thousand nine indicate that the shape of

725
00:43:05,719 --> 00:43:09,360
Speaker 1: the lake was consistent with an atmospheric creater of some kind,

726
00:43:10,160 --> 00:43:15,000
Speaker 1: and further realized that the sediment could have easily been

727
00:43:15,080 --> 00:43:18,759
Speaker 1: built up over a hundred years instead of just five

728
00:43:18,840 --> 00:43:22,560
Speaker 1: thousand years or hundred or two hundred and eight years

729
00:43:22,640 --> 00:43:25,200
Speaker 1: or anything like that. And actually the fact that it

730
00:43:25,280 --> 00:43:27,480
Speaker 1: actually looks like it might have been a meteor impact.

731
00:43:28,040 --> 00:43:29,440
Speaker 1: Doesn't mean it was this one. It could have been

732
00:43:29,440 --> 00:43:32,040
Speaker 1: a previous have been a really old one. I'll just

733
00:43:32,160 --> 00:43:35,320
Speaker 1: say that general consensus at the time of this recording,

734
00:43:35,320 --> 00:43:38,120
Speaker 1: because it could change it any day. That is that

735
00:43:38,640 --> 00:43:42,800
Speaker 1: at least the majority of this lake existed prior to

736
00:43:43,080 --> 00:43:46,040
Speaker 1: this meteor hit or whatever it was. Yeah, because I

737
00:43:46,400 --> 00:43:49,480
Speaker 1: think about Okay, let's let's just pretend that what we

738
00:43:49,680 --> 00:43:52,800
Speaker 1: jokingly talked about in the beginning this theory actually happened.

739
00:43:52,960 --> 00:43:57,279
Speaker 1: That this chunk of not the entire meteor, right or

740
00:43:57,320 --> 00:44:02,040
Speaker 1: whatever it is, it hap to just conveniently land in

741
00:44:02,480 --> 00:44:07,480
Speaker 1: this big gas lake that's five miles away from that center. Correct. Okay,

742
00:44:07,640 --> 00:44:11,080
Speaker 1: it's still going to be really really hot and moving

743
00:44:11,360 --> 00:44:16,480
Speaker 1: extremely fast and such that it is probably going to

744
00:44:17,320 --> 00:44:19,960
Speaker 1: if it doesn't push all the water out of the

745
00:44:20,120 --> 00:44:22,600
Speaker 1: lake or boil it all off, which are things that

746
00:44:22,680 --> 00:44:25,279
Speaker 1: you think, well meteors would do because they're so freaking hot.

747
00:44:25,400 --> 00:44:28,200
Speaker 1: But even if it doesn't do that, it is probably

748
00:44:28,560 --> 00:44:35,560
Speaker 1: going to cause so much disturbance in the water, you know,

749
00:44:35,760 --> 00:44:41,279
Speaker 1: undercurrents and impact like cavitation, almost that the whole lake

750
00:44:41,400 --> 00:44:43,840
Speaker 1: bed is going to be stirred up, all of that

751
00:44:44,080 --> 00:44:49,200
Speaker 1: sediment that would be going down would probably get all

752
00:44:49,480 --> 00:44:53,600
Speaker 1: mixed up in that work would be one very dirty, dirty,

753
00:44:53,800 --> 00:44:58,040
Speaker 1: non life supporting environment because of all of the stuff

754
00:44:58,080 --> 00:45:01,239
Speaker 1: floating into it for a significant period of time. So

755
00:45:01,480 --> 00:45:04,439
Speaker 1: that would make the stuff that they try to pull

756
00:45:05,280 --> 00:45:08,279
Speaker 1: not make sense because you would think, bear with me here,

757
00:45:08,800 --> 00:45:12,400
Speaker 1: if you pull core samples from five areas, they should

758
00:45:12,400 --> 00:45:16,960
Speaker 1: be relatively similar in profile. But if the whole thing

759
00:45:17,040 --> 00:45:19,960
Speaker 1: has been stirred up like a kid sticking a straw

760
00:45:20,120 --> 00:45:24,640
Speaker 1: in a milkshake, then nothing's gonna match from one sample

761
00:45:24,719 --> 00:45:27,400
Speaker 1: to the next. And that would a throw your results

762
00:45:27,440 --> 00:45:31,640
Speaker 1: off and b should be an indicator. Wait, something really,

763
00:45:31,800 --> 00:45:36,399
Speaker 1: really catastrophic happened in this aquatic ecosystem. So I don't

764
00:45:36,640 --> 00:45:38,640
Speaker 1: I don't think that that could have happened, because it's

765
00:45:38,680 --> 00:45:44,320
Speaker 1: just it would have been so much turmoil in I

766
00:45:44,360 --> 00:45:48,080
Speaker 1: think we've been obviously did nothing matched from one spot

767
00:45:48,160 --> 00:45:51,600
Speaker 1: to the next, and so it shouldn't make any sense.

768
00:45:52,360 --> 00:45:54,640
Speaker 1: And I would think that would be to such a

769
00:45:54,680 --> 00:45:58,520
Speaker 1: degree that would be very obvious. Think that the thing,

770
00:45:58,680 --> 00:46:00,160
Speaker 1: the thing I don't really like about it is that

771
00:46:00,280 --> 00:46:04,480
Speaker 1: the angle of the lake is the essentially north northwest

772
00:46:04,560 --> 00:46:08,200
Speaker 1: of the of the impact site, Whereas the best estimates

773
00:46:08,239 --> 00:46:11,200
Speaker 1: I've heard from science the scientists is that the media

774
00:46:11,239 --> 00:46:14,760
Speaker 1: itself came in kind of from the essentially north fifty

775
00:46:14,800 --> 00:46:18,799
Speaker 1: degrees east, so essentially that would be east southeast, which

776
00:46:19,000 --> 00:46:21,960
Speaker 1: means that if it was a fragment of this common

777
00:46:22,120 --> 00:46:24,719
Speaker 1: media or whatever it was, it would have had to

778
00:46:24,800 --> 00:46:27,480
Speaker 1: come in essentially from the east, like I said, east

779
00:46:27,520 --> 00:46:30,319
Speaker 1: southeast come in, and and then this other piece would

780
00:46:30,360 --> 00:46:33,880
Speaker 1: have had to summon off fragment off and well, not

781
00:46:34,080 --> 00:46:37,200
Speaker 1: not ninety degrees, but we're talking at least fifty degrees,

782
00:46:37,280 --> 00:46:40,600
Speaker 1: which is a pretty make a sharp right turn to

783
00:46:41,000 --> 00:46:43,200
Speaker 1: go up and hit the ground up here at this lake.

784
00:46:43,400 --> 00:46:45,719
Speaker 1: So that's that's one of the things I can't quite

785
00:46:46,000 --> 00:46:48,160
Speaker 1: that kind of makes me doubt the whole lake hypothesis

786
00:46:48,200 --> 00:46:51,719
Speaker 1: to beginning. It would I totally agree, I discount the lake, yeah,

787
00:46:52,040 --> 00:46:57,680
Speaker 1: pretty adamantly. The theory that most scientists seem to be

788
00:46:58,080 --> 00:47:02,920
Speaker 1: a part of at this point point is that comment

789
00:47:03,640 --> 00:47:08,680
Speaker 1: came down towards Earth, but slowed significantly and then just

790
00:47:09,160 --> 00:47:13,960
Speaker 1: blew up in mid air apparently a stony asteroid about

791
00:47:14,320 --> 00:47:18,839
Speaker 1: thirty three feet wide, which is ten meters wide, which

792
00:47:18,920 --> 00:47:22,600
Speaker 1: is big, can produce an explosion of about a tons,

793
00:47:22,920 --> 00:47:28,680
Speaker 1: which is similar to that of the fat Man bomb. Uh. Sorry,

794
00:47:29,200 --> 00:47:32,600
Speaker 1: we didn't do a good name naming. I'm sorry, I

795
00:47:33,440 --> 00:47:37,000
Speaker 1: you Uh what is it? Randall Monroe, the guy who

796
00:47:37,160 --> 00:47:40,560
Speaker 1: writes X K C D. Is that his name? I

797
00:47:40,600 --> 00:47:42,520
Speaker 1: always want to say Randall Flag But that's the guy

798
00:47:42,600 --> 00:47:44,959
Speaker 1: from the stand. You gave me that what if book

799
00:47:45,000 --> 00:47:47,560
Speaker 1: of his and I've just finished it and I was

800
00:47:47,680 --> 00:47:50,799
Speaker 1: laughing because he was doing some problem in the end,

801
00:47:50,840 --> 00:47:53,920
Speaker 1: and it was everything is related to the size of

802
00:47:54,560 --> 00:48:00,800
Speaker 1: fat Man and Hiroshima, and it's just every It's just

803
00:48:01,000 --> 00:48:04,440
Speaker 1: an easy way to kind of signify the amount of

804
00:48:04,520 --> 00:48:07,360
Speaker 1: damage that can happen, ye say, somebody like you know,

805
00:48:07,520 --> 00:48:11,040
Speaker 1: like that truckload of dynamite. Well, so what we want

806
00:48:11,080 --> 00:48:12,360
Speaker 1: to see that we want to see the kind of

807
00:48:12,440 --> 00:48:15,400
Speaker 1: carnage you can create, you know. Yeah, exactly by that

808
00:48:15,640 --> 00:48:19,359
Speaker 1: number that we gave in the beginning, that that big

809
00:48:19,440 --> 00:48:23,000
Speaker 1: of an asteroid would still be about a thousand times

810
00:48:23,080 --> 00:48:26,879
Speaker 1: less powerful than the explosion. But but it has been

811
00:48:26,960 --> 00:48:31,000
Speaker 1: downgraded a little bit, but not to that level, not

812
00:48:31,200 --> 00:48:33,560
Speaker 1: that far. It's been downgraded I think by more recent

813
00:48:33,640 --> 00:48:36,960
Speaker 1: simulations down the three to five megatons, but which is

814
00:48:37,000 --> 00:48:42,640
Speaker 1: still far more a lot, a lot lot more. Yeah,

815
00:48:42,840 --> 00:48:45,520
Speaker 1: but let's saying that just to put it in perspective.

816
00:48:46,080 --> 00:48:48,759
Speaker 1: The Chiliabinsk media we're talking for five years ago, it

817
00:48:48,840 --> 00:48:52,120
Speaker 1: was estimated to be about seventeen wide and about eleven

818
00:48:52,160 --> 00:48:56,400
Speaker 1: thousand tons, so then, and that's still pretty decent size,

819
00:48:56,920 --> 00:48:59,880
Speaker 1: did not come anywhere close to producing any kind of devastation.

820
00:49:00,000 --> 00:49:03,080
Speaker 1: I was scared what we saw here at Tunguska. Yeah,

821
00:49:03,360 --> 00:49:06,080
Speaker 1: and just briefly, we'll talk about that media in a second.

822
00:49:06,239 --> 00:49:10,880
Speaker 1: But the reason that we know about the dimensions of

823
00:49:11,640 --> 00:49:15,719
Speaker 1: stony meteor and how much blast it can produce is

824
00:49:15,800 --> 00:49:19,520
Speaker 1: because the United States Air Force has been actually tracking

825
00:49:19,680 --> 00:49:23,920
Speaker 1: a ton of upper atmosphere explosions of this size, so

826
00:49:24,040 --> 00:49:26,840
Speaker 1: they're able to kind of extract lake out. They happen

827
00:49:27,040 --> 00:49:30,320
Speaker 1: all the time in our upper atmosphere. When most of

828
00:49:30,360 --> 00:49:33,040
Speaker 1: these things explode, there's so much crap floating around in

829
00:49:33,080 --> 00:49:36,560
Speaker 1: our solar system is scary. You know. I'm actually surprised

830
00:49:36,800 --> 00:49:39,160
Speaker 1: that at least every now and again one of our

831
00:49:39,200 --> 00:49:42,520
Speaker 1: satellites isn't just smeared. Yeah, you know, because well I

832
00:49:42,600 --> 00:49:44,640
Speaker 1: think they are. We just don't know about them so much.

833
00:49:44,920 --> 00:49:46,880
Speaker 1: They don't tell us. But I mean, why do you

834
00:49:46,920 --> 00:49:50,440
Speaker 1: think your Instagram feed just went down? It's not because

835
00:49:50,560 --> 00:49:53,560
Speaker 1: you put up those really gross photos, just because the satellite.

836
00:49:54,680 --> 00:49:57,920
Speaker 1: There's an estimate just but by these same people who

837
00:49:58,000 --> 00:50:00,920
Speaker 1: do these models all the time, that explosion like the

838
00:50:01,040 --> 00:50:05,120
Speaker 1: Tunguska one could could happen about once every three years.

839
00:50:05,200 --> 00:50:08,360
Speaker 1: So there's some president of it, but it's it's unlikely.

840
00:50:09,120 --> 00:50:11,120
Speaker 1: I know, Steve really wants to talk about this other

841
00:50:13,880 --> 00:50:18,400
Speaker 1: so I have some the math that is recorded for

842
00:50:18,960 --> 00:50:24,000
Speaker 1: Tunguska and Chilly Bins, they seem to be calculated in

843
00:50:24,120 --> 00:50:26,200
Speaker 1: a different way, and I think part of it is

844
00:50:26,320 --> 00:50:30,279
Speaker 1: because we have such good visual data of the most

845
00:50:30,360 --> 00:50:34,279
Speaker 1: recent one in that area. Because it all depends on

846
00:50:34,480 --> 00:50:39,080
Speaker 1: the angle or trajectory of the thing through the atmosphere.

847
00:50:39,840 --> 00:50:44,000
Speaker 1: They never fall straight down. They always come in at

848
00:50:44,000 --> 00:50:48,439
Speaker 1: a glancing angle, so then they experience a lot more

849
00:50:48,680 --> 00:50:53,080
Speaker 1: turbulence and friction which then burns them up. And so

850
00:50:53,280 --> 00:50:56,640
Speaker 1: of course Jellibinsk, I've had it here that it was

851
00:50:56,800 --> 00:51:01,439
Speaker 1: equated to a four hundred explore ocean. Okay, well, that's

852
00:51:01,480 --> 00:51:06,000
Speaker 1: because this thing appeared to have been completely and totally

853
00:51:06,320 --> 00:51:09,839
Speaker 1: solid rock all the way through, and not nearly as

854
00:51:09,880 --> 00:51:13,120
Speaker 1: big as what they say that the Tunguska one was.

855
00:51:13,840 --> 00:51:16,799
Speaker 1: But I can The problem, of course is that Tungusca

856
00:51:16,920 --> 00:51:20,960
Speaker 1: didn't leave any residue on the ground, any large bits

857
00:51:21,200 --> 00:51:27,480
Speaker 1: and pieces of cot, right, But there are there are

858
00:51:27,600 --> 00:51:29,800
Speaker 1: things that I mean, it could be a comet, or

859
00:51:29,880 --> 00:51:32,960
Speaker 1: it could be um, it's not always a comet, but

860
00:51:33,040 --> 00:51:38,280
Speaker 1: they I've read about asteroids or meteoroids that are basically

861
00:51:39,120 --> 00:51:44,240
Speaker 1: a giant shell of stone and rock with a giant

862
00:51:44,960 --> 00:51:48,279
Speaker 1: ice interior. So it's not so much an astro or

863
00:51:48,320 --> 00:51:50,800
Speaker 1: a comet because it's not moving like a comet. But

864
00:51:50,880 --> 00:51:55,000
Speaker 1: it's just it's the what's the snow cone thing you

865
00:51:55,120 --> 00:51:57,680
Speaker 1: get at the at the county fair where they put

866
00:51:57,719 --> 00:52:00,360
Speaker 1: the sprinkles on the outside, but it's all ice and side.

867
00:52:00,600 --> 00:52:03,880
Speaker 1: It's the it's the interstellar version of that without the

868
00:52:03,920 --> 00:52:08,200
Speaker 1: waffle cone. That's what they call that. Yes, yeah, what else?

869
00:52:08,480 --> 00:52:10,560
Speaker 1: But it could be that by the time it got

870
00:52:10,719 --> 00:52:13,480
Speaker 1: close enough it finally burned through the rock layer that

871
00:52:13,560 --> 00:52:18,000
Speaker 1: when the whole thing just went boom, it did drive

872
00:52:18,200 --> 00:52:21,320
Speaker 1: a whole bunch of crap into the earth. It just

873
00:52:21,440 --> 00:52:25,040
Speaker 1: turned out that crap happened to be super dense ice

874
00:52:25,719 --> 00:52:30,720
Speaker 1: which then melted. It's the old magic knife or knife

875
00:52:30,760 --> 00:52:36,200
Speaker 1: blade or knife bullet, And that would actually also explain

876
00:52:36,320 --> 00:52:40,040
Speaker 1: that glowy stuff we were talking about a little bit. Yeah,

877
00:52:40,160 --> 00:52:43,560
Speaker 1: that it could have been ice crystals that got stuck

878
00:52:43,600 --> 00:52:46,200
Speaker 1: in the atmosphere for a couple of days, because that's

879
00:52:46,400 --> 00:52:49,600
Speaker 1: how long that was going on, that glowy technical term

880
00:52:50,840 --> 00:52:55,440
Speaker 1: phenomenon was Yeah. But yeah, the the actual the mystery

881
00:52:55,520 --> 00:52:57,359
Speaker 1: is still there. I mean a lot of people think

882
00:52:57,400 --> 00:52:59,680
Speaker 1: this is totally solid. It actually hasn't quite. There's still

883
00:52:59,680 --> 00:53:02,040
Speaker 1: some two b between the asteroid theory and the common

884
00:53:02,080 --> 00:53:06,080
Speaker 1: theory believe it. Yeah, And the reason again back to

885
00:53:06,320 --> 00:53:09,120
Speaker 1: what I was saying before they downgraded it to from

886
00:53:09,280 --> 00:53:13,319
Speaker 1: fifteen to twenty megatons and they downgraded the explosions three

887
00:53:13,360 --> 00:53:15,480
Speaker 1: to five. Before they were saying, Okay, it would have

888
00:53:15,560 --> 00:53:18,760
Speaker 1: to have been x mass to produce this explosion. Therefore,

889
00:53:19,000 --> 00:53:21,719
Speaker 1: there's something had to have hit the planet. Now they've

890
00:53:21,800 --> 00:53:24,960
Speaker 1: downgraded it to a smaller mass. Therefore a smaller explosion

891
00:53:25,000 --> 00:53:27,719
Speaker 1: that happened closer than we thought. Then I'm not so

892
00:53:27,960 --> 00:53:32,200
Speaker 1: sure that it's the common theory is as necessary as

893
00:53:32,239 --> 00:53:35,480
Speaker 1: it was seen to be previously. That's that's where the

894
00:53:35,560 --> 00:53:37,799
Speaker 1: common theory kind of came from. Is because commets are

895
00:53:37,920 --> 00:53:41,480
Speaker 1: kind of dirty snowballs that have some big chunks of rock,

896
00:53:41,600 --> 00:53:44,920
Speaker 1: but they're also held together by methane and frozen water akies,

897
00:53:45,480 --> 00:53:47,520
Speaker 1: and that would break apart create a huge boom, but

898
00:53:47,960 --> 00:53:50,560
Speaker 1: the constituent parts are small enough they would all disintegrate

899
00:53:50,600 --> 00:53:53,759
Speaker 1: before hitting the surface. But at the same time, you know,

900
00:53:53,800 --> 00:53:56,520
Speaker 1: our our understanding of some of these objects, like stabless thing,

901
00:53:56,520 --> 00:53:59,440
Speaker 1: has changed. We know that asteroids, for example, aren't all

902
00:53:59,480 --> 00:54:01,920
Speaker 1: the same. Some of them may look like balls, you

903
00:54:01,960 --> 00:54:03,560
Speaker 1: get we look at them up closer, now they look

904
00:54:03,600 --> 00:54:07,120
Speaker 1: like sort of clumps of rocks kind of held together

905
00:54:07,680 --> 00:54:11,080
Speaker 1: just by a slight mutual attraction of gravity and stuff

906
00:54:11,120 --> 00:54:13,719
Speaker 1: like that. And the other the other difficulty is of course,

907
00:54:14,480 --> 00:54:17,480
Speaker 1: at the angle, depending on the exact angle that it

908
00:54:17,640 --> 00:54:23,120
Speaker 1: came in. When this thing exploded, it could have launched

909
00:54:23,640 --> 00:54:27,600
Speaker 1: all of the rocky material forward in this kind of

910
00:54:27,680 --> 00:54:32,120
Speaker 1: projection up and away and sent it hundreds of miles

911
00:54:32,360 --> 00:54:36,120
Speaker 1: out before those bits came crashing down, which would be

912
00:54:36,160 --> 00:54:39,640
Speaker 1: outside of the blast zone. So then nobody's looking there

913
00:54:39,840 --> 00:54:42,399
Speaker 1: because well, all the flattened trees are here, so let's

914
00:54:42,440 --> 00:54:44,719
Speaker 1: look in here for the bits, and they've actually been

915
00:54:44,760 --> 00:54:46,960
Speaker 1: thrown away, kind of like you see it with um.

916
00:54:47,440 --> 00:54:52,280
Speaker 1: With volcanoes. Sometimes you'll see those those weird smokey balls

917
00:54:52,360 --> 00:54:56,040
Speaker 1: that will just go and it's just the random, weird

918
00:54:56,160 --> 00:54:59,240
Speaker 1: ones that get thrown way out. That same phenomena can happen,

919
00:54:59,680 --> 00:55:02,000
Speaker 1: and it just depends on what the material is. Yeah,

920
00:55:02,200 --> 00:55:06,200
Speaker 1: it's it's a big old mystery still though, Yeah it is.

921
00:55:07,000 --> 00:55:09,400
Speaker 1: You know it's a celestial object of some sort. I

922
00:55:09,440 --> 00:55:14,520
Speaker 1: would agree, common asteroid or something else in Yeah, but

923
00:55:15,120 --> 00:55:18,400
Speaker 1: most likely a meteor um. But you know, maybe a comment.

924
00:55:18,480 --> 00:55:21,360
Speaker 1: I mean there's not also a fragment of a comment

925
00:55:22,239 --> 00:55:23,480
Speaker 1: with a piece of a comment too. I mean our

926
00:55:23,520 --> 00:55:26,680
Speaker 1: understanding of comments has has been changing too. We used

927
00:55:26,680 --> 00:55:28,919
Speaker 1: to think they were just all big snowballs, but there's

928
00:55:29,000 --> 00:55:30,799
Speaker 1: there could be all kinds of different things. They don't

929
00:55:30,800 --> 00:55:32,400
Speaker 1: have to do one thing or the other. So I

930
00:55:32,440 --> 00:55:34,880
Speaker 1: can see a comment with a big old chunk of

931
00:55:34,960 --> 00:55:36,520
Speaker 1: rock right at the core of it, you know, that

932
00:55:36,600 --> 00:55:39,040
Speaker 1: would be big enough to make a big boom. Yeah, yeah,

933
00:55:39,560 --> 00:55:41,319
Speaker 1: do you have any other things you want to add

934
00:55:41,360 --> 00:55:45,840
Speaker 1: to this? Um? Let me think We talked about Chippy

935
00:55:45,960 --> 00:55:48,359
Speaker 1: last week, so not this week. Okay, okay, okay, okay,

936
00:55:48,480 --> 00:55:51,200
Speaker 1: the UFO we did that whole thing. I've got nothing,

937
00:55:51,320 --> 00:55:53,120
Speaker 1: but if I think of it, I'll interrupt you. And

938
00:55:53,200 --> 00:55:55,000
Speaker 1: what you're going to do next? Yeah? Do you know

939
00:55:55,040 --> 00:55:56,960
Speaker 1: I'm gonna do next? Is just say it was clearly

940
00:55:57,040 --> 00:56:02,520
Speaker 1: da Vinci And that's all I have to say. I

941
00:56:02,680 --> 00:56:05,440
Speaker 1: like to Da Vinci with Chip behind it, with an

942
00:56:05,480 --> 00:56:08,000
Speaker 1: act DaVinci throw that kind of thing. Take me back

943
00:56:08,040 --> 00:56:12,239
Speaker 1: to our home world, Yeah, take me back to the century. Well,

944
00:56:12,760 --> 00:56:15,720
Speaker 1: I guess that's it for this episode. Then we figured

945
00:56:15,760 --> 00:56:19,600
Speaker 1: that one out yea that scientists. Yeah, we're better than

946
00:56:19,680 --> 00:56:22,160
Speaker 1: you are. Uh, that's not true if it's not even close.

947
00:56:23,880 --> 00:56:27,000
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968
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00:57:50,960 --> 00:57:53,600
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973
00:57:53,720 --> 00:58:00,360
Speaker 1: go ahead and blast on out of here or something. Hey,

974
00:58:00,400 --> 00:58:02,280
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go get in the freezer. I've got some

975
00:58:02,400 --> 00:58:04,520
Speaker 1: of those drumstick ice creams that I think I'm going

976
00:58:04,560 --> 00:58:07,280
Speaker 1: to use to model how this worked. I'm pretty sure

977
00:58:07,400 --> 00:58:10,360
Speaker 1: that the waffle cone part burned off first. So let's

978
00:58:10,760 --> 00:58:13,439
Speaker 1: I've got a torch, Joe, you hold snowcone. We're gonna

979
00:58:13,440 --> 00:58:15,800
Speaker 1: make it happen perfect. Devin gets the R