WEBVTT - The Great War of the Worlds Panic Myth

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to Stuff you should know, a production of five

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<v Speaker 1>Heart Radios How Stuff Works. Hey, and welcome to the podcast.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm Josh Clark. There's Charles w Chuck Bryan over there.

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<v Speaker 1>It's just the two of us batching it up without Jerry.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh man, I think Jerry's inclusion, we're still batching it up.

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<v Speaker 1>How do you mean? I mean, does she really ruin

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<v Speaker 1>the batch scene for us? Sure? She's very maternal and judge, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>you were headed down a kind road for a second.

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<v Speaker 1>I was with Jerry. That doesn't sound like me. So

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<v Speaker 1>for all of you who are just tuning into the

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<v Speaker 1>everybody else who's tuning in for the multiple times, Welcome,

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<v Speaker 1>this is stuff you should know. Yeah, we never do that.

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<v Speaker 1>Some shows do that what they welcome new listeners, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and kind of say what they do. And I mean

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<v Speaker 1>we've literally never done that. That's fine, that's lame. Hi,

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<v Speaker 1>which who does that? Any friends of ours? Yeah? I

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<v Speaker 1>mean the guys on the Flop House, they've been podcasting

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<v Speaker 1>as long as we have. In every single episode they

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<v Speaker 1>say who they are and what they do. No, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>well do you want to do that this one time. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm Chuck Bryant and this is Josh Clark, and uh,

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<v Speaker 1>this is a podcast where we explain things in a

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<v Speaker 1>lighthearted and fun and sometimes even funny way. I disagree

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<v Speaker 1>with all of that. Oh boy, So what we're gonna

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<v Speaker 1>talk about today, because I think we need to talk

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<v Speaker 1>about this one in a slightly somber tone. Chuck, it's

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<v Speaker 1>a blemish in the history of America really if you

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<v Speaker 1>think about it. Well, yeah, and you know what, I've

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<v Speaker 1>never actually had listened to it until this week, same here,

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<v Speaker 1>and it was It's a lot of fun to actually

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<v Speaker 1>listen to. I would recommend it, Yeah, especially in a

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<v Speaker 1>dark room, um, where that's all you're concentrating on, not

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<v Speaker 1>like a second screen kind of thing, like where you're

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<v Speaker 1>really listening to this radio play. Put yourself there a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit like what it must have been like and

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<v Speaker 1>well not And that's when the book came out. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>but in ninety eight, I mean what forty years later,

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<v Speaker 1>Just in that forty years stretch, I mean, think about

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<v Speaker 1>the difference between nine eight and not ridiculously different periods.

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<v Speaker 1>It's exactly. Oh it's gone downhill, um, And don't think

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<v Speaker 1>they had nothing to do with Reagan's election in nineteen eighty.

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<v Speaker 1>But the difference between eight and nineteen thirty eight are

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<v Speaker 1>it's just like two different worlds, man um, two different worlds,

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<v Speaker 1>common War of the So I guess we should start

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<v Speaker 1>with the book written by the great H. G. Wells. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>It was the very first an invasion story to hit

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<v Speaker 1>the bookshelves, and that's a pretty remarkable thing. It was

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<v Speaker 1>a serialized thing at first, and magazines and Pearson's in

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<v Speaker 1>the in the UK, and then Cosmo here in the US,

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<v Speaker 1>and then they finally slapped all those serialized versions together

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<v Speaker 1>into a book and it sold pretty well. Yeah, it's

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<v Speaker 1>never been on a print since that first edition in

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<v Speaker 1>that's pretty respectable. I expect that as much for our

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<v Speaker 1>book as well. Yeah, I'm sure it'll be still being

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<v Speaker 1>published in forty years or a hundred years, a hundred

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<v Speaker 1>and forty years. Yeah, well let's hope. Um. So in

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<v Speaker 1>this book, and like you said, first alien invasion story

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<v Speaker 1>ever published, which is you know, just the fact that

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<v Speaker 1>this is a completely new premise, new conceit made it,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, kind of scary. But in the book, um, H. G.

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<v Speaker 1>Wells describes like this, this alien invasion. Um. And part

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<v Speaker 1>of the thing that was so scary about it, at

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<v Speaker 1>least at the time, from what I can gather, is

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<v Speaker 1>that it was about like the breakdown of society. And

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<v Speaker 1>we're talking like Victorian era England society, where like rigid

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<v Speaker 1>social rules and customs and Morey's and and guidance for

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<v Speaker 1>all behavior at all times was like the norm. So

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<v Speaker 1>the idea of that breaking down was scary on in

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<v Speaker 1>and of itself. I think that made the book kind

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<v Speaker 1>of scary to contemporary readers. Would that be right readers

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<v Speaker 1>back then? Um? And that was one big theme that

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<v Speaker 1>Well has explored. Another one that he explored in that

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<v Speaker 1>at least I think whoever wrote the Encyclopedia Britannica article

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<v Speaker 1>on it said that the main point of this, the

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<v Speaker 1>main subtext was um, learning how humans dominion over animals

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<v Speaker 1>can be, you know, cruel and thoughtless, because all of

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<v Speaker 1>a sudden, with these alien invaders who were just wiping

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<v Speaker 1>us off the map, Um, we were the we were like,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, domesticated animals to them. Yeah, so the shoe

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<v Speaker 1>was on the other hoof, And uh, sure it caused

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<v Speaker 1>or at least it was intended to cause people to

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<v Speaker 1>take kind of a hard look at a pre animal

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<v Speaker 1>farm to make sort of a social statement about how

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<v Speaker 1>we treated animals. And so that was if you flash

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<v Speaker 1>forward to Orson Welles in his Mercury Theater version, he uh,

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<v Speaker 1>this is you know, like you said, we're right in

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<v Speaker 1>the middle or we're in the Great Depression and we're

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<v Speaker 1>headed towards war and it's sort of an uneasy feeling

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<v Speaker 1>in the United States as a whole. So he thought,

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<v Speaker 1>perfect time to go in there, put a fresh coat

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<v Speaker 1>of paint on this thing and scare the bijebas out

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<v Speaker 1>of the American public by doing really something that they

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<v Speaker 1>had never heard before, which was sort of a verite

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<v Speaker 1>style production. Yeah, and I mean it's it's easy to

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<v Speaker 1>overlook today, but radio is still rather new at the

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<v Speaker 1>time in it was like, you know, cutting edge technological

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<v Speaker 1>medium and it was not fully defined. So the idea

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<v Speaker 1>of um creating this I guess hoax broadcast is the

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<v Speaker 1>best you can call it. Um, this fictionalized version that

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<v Speaker 1>was what would you call it? Man, I hate that

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<v Speaker 1>word so much. It's really taken on a bad tang

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<v Speaker 1>here lately. Uh. Yeah, I mean, it's it's verity. It's

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<v Speaker 1>it's uh, you know, of a faux documentary style thing

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<v Speaker 1>that no one had ever heard, Like, there's no way

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<v Speaker 1>when people heard this they would think, oh, this is

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<v Speaker 1>you know, I know Christopher Guests, this is sort of

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<v Speaker 1>a scary version. I've seen Blair Witch. I know what's

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<v Speaker 1>going on here. I recognize Lenny from Laverne and Shirley anywhere.

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<v Speaker 1>I know it's not real. So they were they weren't

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<v Speaker 1>prepared for this in when orson well, as he was

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<v Speaker 1>already a big name in radio as the voice of

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<v Speaker 1>the Shadow, which was big hit, and his Mercury Theater

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<v Speaker 1>was pretty pretty well respected at the time. It's yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it's like a live stage theater. So they'd only had

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<v Speaker 1>this show for a few months by the time October

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<v Speaker 1>rolled around. UM. But their whole jam was they were

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<v Speaker 1>on CBS, and CBS had them do our long radio

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<v Speaker 1>adaptations of classic UM like novels like Treasure Island they

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<v Speaker 1>did around the world in eighty days. And so since

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<v Speaker 1>it was October, they wanted to do something spooky around

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<v Speaker 1>Halloween something, so they decided yeah. So so they were like, well,

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<v Speaker 1>what's the most boring scary book there is? And they said,

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<v Speaker 1>h G wells wore the world, so they decided to

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<v Speaker 1>adapt it. Yeah, so they got together, they're rehearsing. We'll

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<v Speaker 1>talk a little bit more about that in a sec.

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<v Speaker 1>But there wasn't a strong feeling among the cast and

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<v Speaker 1>crew and the production group that I thought it was

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<v Speaker 1>gonna be awesome because I think probably because they had

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<v Speaker 1>never done anything like this. They had never heard anything

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<v Speaker 1>like this, and they thought, is this even gonna be

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<v Speaker 1>any good? And a couple of different sources in the

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<v Speaker 1>production went to a radio critic ahead of time, it's like,

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<v Speaker 1>thanks a lot, and they said, by the way, this

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<v Speaker 1>is going to be a real stinker, they said, Apparently

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<v Speaker 1>two different people in the in the production said that

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<v Speaker 1>this will put everyone to sleep. And I don't I

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<v Speaker 1>don't have the impression that it's strictly because they didn't

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<v Speaker 1>have any frame of reference to judge it against, because

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<v Speaker 1>no one had done this before. From what I can gather,

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<v Speaker 1>the originally it was going to be really bad and

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<v Speaker 1>really terrible, and the production and the cast and crew

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<v Speaker 1>knew this. They knew that they were marching towards embarrassment.

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<v Speaker 1>Um with the the early versions of the of the script. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>so orson he's sort of distracted. He's got a stage

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<v Speaker 1>production going on. He's got his partner in his group,

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<v Speaker 1>John the Great John Houseman, Uh you all know from

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<v Speaker 1>the Paper Chase, kind of a legendary actor. He was

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<v Speaker 1>his one of his original partners, and he got together

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<v Speaker 1>with Howard Is it catch? I never know if it's

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<v Speaker 1>going to be a colt or a coke, doesn't matter,

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<v Speaker 1>all right, koc h and he was the writer who

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<v Speaker 1>was adapting the novel, and they were like, we gotta

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<v Speaker 1>make this thing better. And one thing I think we

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<v Speaker 1>can do. This was Houseman talking, I'm not gonna do

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<v Speaker 1>a John Houseman, but everyone knows how he sounds. Right.

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<v Speaker 1>When I came across John Houseman being involved, was like,

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<v Speaker 1>I can't wait. I don't even remember. I mean, he

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<v Speaker 1>was just very serious and sort of all I can

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<v Speaker 1>think of his Paper Chase. And what was the TV

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<v Speaker 1>commercial was it? I want to say it was like

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<v Speaker 1>Schwaberry Lynch. I think it might have been Merrill Lynch

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<v Speaker 1>maybe I don't know. But one of those finance firms

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<v Speaker 1>he did he voiced for, well, yeah. He was very

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<v Speaker 1>famous for having a very high pitched, squeaky falsetto voice,

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<v Speaker 1>and he talked very very fast, and actually I know

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<v Speaker 1>who it was. It was FedEx and Duncan Donuts. He

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<v Speaker 1>was well known for it, right, he was the time

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<v Speaker 1>to make the donuts guy right with the must so

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<v Speaker 1>houseman and uh, Cotch Coke went in there and he said,

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<v Speaker 1>one of the things we should do, probably to make

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<v Speaker 1>this a little more scary and a little more believable

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<v Speaker 1>that it's an actual broadcast is you know, time passes

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<v Speaker 1>in the book and we can't do that here, so

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<v Speaker 1>let's just get rid of all that stuff so it

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<v Speaker 1>gives the appearance that it's going down right now. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that was enormously a huge change. Um. And I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know if he did that too to help the pacing

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<v Speaker 1>move a little faster or what, um, but that was

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<v Speaker 1>that would pan out to be a really important difference

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<v Speaker 1>in the original script that um Howard Kay turned in

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<v Speaker 1>uh and the one that they ended up doing. And

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<v Speaker 1>then even beyond that, some of the other changes came

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<v Speaker 1>just hours before broadcast, because apparently, if you worked with

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<v Speaker 1>Wars and Wells, you should be on the lookout for

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<v Speaker 1>him to come in at the last minute and be

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<v Speaker 1>like all the stuff we've been practicing for a week

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<v Speaker 1>or two, forget all of that. We're we're doing this instead.

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<v Speaker 1>And part of that, from what I can tell, is

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<v Speaker 1>that he was trying to shake up the act or

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<v Speaker 1>shake them out of whatever complacency they'd worked themselves into

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<v Speaker 1>with rehearsal and to get this raw, more terrified performance.

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<v Speaker 1>And apparently it worked. I mean, I can't imagine I

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<v Speaker 1>didn't hear any rehearsals or anything like that. I would

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<v Speaker 1>have loved to have compared, you know, the week before too,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, the actual broadcast. But everyone delivered these really great, um,

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<v Speaker 1>really great performances, and they really nailed by showtime, um

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<v Speaker 1>the realism in a lot of ways, not just in

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<v Speaker 1>the performances, um, but also in just little details like

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<v Speaker 1>they you know, they were they were doing a a

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<v Speaker 1>mock radio program, which we'll talk about a little more

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<v Speaker 1>in detail in a second, but they were they were

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<v Speaker 1>pretending to have news bulletins breaking, so they were they

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<v Speaker 1>were doing the things that news bulletins did. And one

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<v Speaker 1>of the things that stuck out to me was one

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<v Speaker 1>of the eyewitnesses, so it's an actor, but one of

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<v Speaker 1>the eyewitnesses is like being interviewed by a news reporter

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<v Speaker 1>on the scene and they started to talk, and the

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<v Speaker 1>news reporter goes, can you can you speak loud? Speak

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<v Speaker 1>more loudly and move into the microphone please, and that

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<v Speaker 1>the I think the actor actually says, how's that? And

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<v Speaker 1>the guy repeats himself, and then the actress to repeat

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<v Speaker 1>himself what he was originally saying. So it has like

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<v Speaker 1>that veneer of you know, authenticity, just from little details

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<v Speaker 1>like that that, you know, really it stood out to

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<v Speaker 1>me when I was listening for him. But if you're

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<v Speaker 1>if you're not listening for him, you you just it

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<v Speaker 1>makes you buy into the whole thing that much more. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>And the other big change that Wells brought along was

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<v Speaker 1>stretching out the first two halves of the thing such

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<v Speaker 1>that it went past it went forty minutes, and radio

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<v Speaker 1>at the time, every thirty minutes, like on the half hour,

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<v Speaker 1>they would check in with the station I D check

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<v Speaker 1>and listeners, even though radio was new, were well honed

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<v Speaker 1>to this station break every thirty minute, And so when

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<v Speaker 1>ten minutes passed, the half hour go by and there

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<v Speaker 1>ain't and there ain't no station break. That really makes

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<v Speaker 1>people kind of buy in to what they're listening to

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<v Speaker 1>is possibly real. Uh. And then you add to the

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<v Speaker 1>fact that there were no sponsors for this show. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>so they weren't cutting to a Casper or or me,

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<v Speaker 1>me and these ads all of a sudden, I can

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<v Speaker 1>remember any sponsor. Can you imagine John Houseman saying made

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<v Speaker 1>with modal? No, I thought it'd be made with modal. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that's right, that's a much better Houseman. I had something

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<v Speaker 1>in my threat. Uh. So, yeah, there were no sponsors.

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<v Speaker 1>So basically it really came across as something that was

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<v Speaker 1>super super realistic sounding. Right, So all that is to

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<v Speaker 1>say that they had really by the time this broadcast

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<v Speaker 1>aired eight p m. On Sunday, October eight, they they

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<v Speaker 1>were not going to be the laughing stock and this

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<v Speaker 1>is not going to be embarrassing. It was going to

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<v Speaker 1>be pretty awesome. Actually, should we take a break, I

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<v Speaker 1>think so, Chuck, and then we'll come back and we

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<v Speaker 1>will reveal the broadcast after this. Okay, so we've reached showtime.

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<v Speaker 1>Air time a p m. Sunday, October, Mercury Theater on

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<v Speaker 1>the Air began broadcasting its adaptation of H. G. Wells

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<v Speaker 1>War of the World, and at the very beginning, it's

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<v Speaker 1>introduced as much there's an announcer who says that I

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<v Speaker 1>think this loss is probably to time somewhat because everyone

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<v Speaker 1>probably thinks that they just tried to trick everyone. But no,

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<v Speaker 1>they actually introduced it as what they're doing. You know

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<v Speaker 1>that this is a radio place at one year in

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<v Speaker 1>the future, right right, And yeah, Orson Welles. So it's

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<v Speaker 1>introduced by an announcer. Orson Wells comes in does the

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<v Speaker 1>introductory essay, and then they did something really smart and interesting,

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<v Speaker 1>especially for the time. They went to a musical program

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<v Speaker 1>that was supposedly being broadcast from the Murdian Room in

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<v Speaker 1>the Hotel Park Plaza. So if you were just tuning

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<v Speaker 1>in right then, you would have no idea that this

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<v Speaker 1>was Mercury Theater on the air. You would have no

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<v Speaker 1>idea that this was a teleplay. You would think that

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<v Speaker 1>you were listening to UM something that was pretty regularly broadcast,

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<v Speaker 1>which was live music at some like ballroom in a

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<v Speaker 1>hotel somewhere in New York. UM that they set up

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<v Speaker 1>like a radio transmitter to transmit out over the radio.

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<v Speaker 1>That was pretty frequent. But this was part of the

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<v Speaker 1>show paused. It is right right exactly so, but that

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<v Speaker 1>was a huge which part of the show because that

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<v Speaker 1>lilled um listeners into kind of complacency, and listeners who

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<v Speaker 1>tuned in late and missed that introduction thought that this

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<v Speaker 1>is what they were listening to. And then the first

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<v Speaker 1>news bulletin hits, yeah, and that's where things start to

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<v Speaker 1>get really interesting. They break in, you know, one of

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<v Speaker 1>these interrupt your previously scheduled programs kind of things, and

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<v Speaker 1>they come in and with these bulletin's, but they're not

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<v Speaker 1>super long at first because they treat it kind of

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<v Speaker 1>how it would be in real life. It's just sort

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<v Speaker 1>of a breaking story. Something's going together. It was fairly obtuse,

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<v Speaker 1>and they didn't like, you know, say, Martians are attacking

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<v Speaker 1>us right now everyone from the get go, I sort

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<v Speaker 1>of left it up to the listener to kind of

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<v Speaker 1>piece it together a little by little. They would go

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<v Speaker 1>back to the Meridian room for a bit, and it

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't for very long, but because you know, they couldn't

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<v Speaker 1>waste too much time, but it was long enough. It

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't for like ten seconds. They did it for like

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<v Speaker 1>a minute a minute and a half. Right. It made

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<v Speaker 1>it seem right then, like that was what you were

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<v Speaker 1>listening to, that that was the program and the bulletin

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<v Speaker 1>was in fact the bulletin rather than the opposite being true. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>So eventually you start to piece together what's going on,

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<v Speaker 1>and you have, uh, this attack in New Jersey of

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<v Speaker 1>all places, and uh, Princeton University they had like a

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<v Speaker 1>Princeton astronomer on. They have government officials and they kind

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<v Speaker 1>of dole it out a little by little until about

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<v Speaker 1>the seventeen minutes seventeen and a half minute mark, and

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<v Speaker 1>then that's when it really kind of gets, uh, super

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<v Speaker 1>scary and people really see the full picture of what's

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<v Speaker 1>going on. So Chuck, um, I feel like we should

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<v Speaker 1>read a little bit of the script. There's this one

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<v Speaker 1>part starting about the seventeen thirty minute market think you

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<v Speaker 1>said where they um as I like to say, they

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<v Speaker 1>tore the lid off the sucker. Do you want to

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<v Speaker 1>be announcer or Phillips? I'll be the announcer, okay, but

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<v Speaker 1>I want you to do Phillips as Sammy Davis jor.

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<v Speaker 1>So here's the announcer. Wait, hold on, I'm getting on

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<v Speaker 1>my tap shoes. Okay you're ready, Canny man, I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>gonna do it that way. Okay, So let me give

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<v Speaker 1>you a little bit of background real quick. So these

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<v Speaker 1>news bulletins up to this point of basically said there's

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<v Speaker 1>some weird thing that landed they thought was a meteorite

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<v Speaker 1>at first, that landed in Grover's Mill, New Jersey. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>And then later bulletin said that, oh, actually there's some

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<v Speaker 1>weird tentacle like weird things emerging from this thing we

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<v Speaker 1>thought was a meteor Right. So now we're back at

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<v Speaker 1>Grover's Mill. So I'm the announcer. We are bringing you

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<v Speaker 1>and I witness account of what's happening on the Wilmouth

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<v Speaker 1>Farm Grover's Mill, New Jersey. And that was kind of

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<v Speaker 1>like they were breaking in to let you know that.

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<v Speaker 1>And then they go back to more piano for some reason.

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<v Speaker 1>And then we now return you to Carl Phillips at

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<v Speaker 1>Grover's Mill. Lady, ladies and gentlemen. Am I on on,

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<v Speaker 1>ladies and gentlemen. Here, I am back up a stone

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<v Speaker 1>wall that adjoins Mr. Willmas Garden. From here I get

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<v Speaker 1>a sweep of the whole scene. I'll give you every

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<v Speaker 1>detail as long as I can talk, as long as

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<v Speaker 1>I can see. More State police have arrived. They're drawing

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<v Speaker 1>up a cordon in front of the pit, about thirty

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<v Speaker 1>of them. No need to push the crowd back now

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<v Speaker 1>they're willing to keep their distance. The captain is conferring

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<v Speaker 1>with someone we we can't quite see who. Oh, yes,

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<v Speaker 1>I believe it's a professor Pearson. Yes it is. Now

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<v Speaker 1>they've parted. The professor moves around one side, studying the object. Well.

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<v Speaker 1>The captain and two policemen advance with something in their hands.

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<v Speaker 1>I can see it now. It's a it's a white

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<v Speaker 1>handkerchief tied to a pole, a flag of truce. If

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<v Speaker 1>those creatures know what that means, what anything means? Wait,

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<v Speaker 1>something's happening. You can cut in any time. Who can

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<v Speaker 1>take a rainbow? Wait? Sorry, hump shape is rising out

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<v Speaker 1>of the pit. I can make out a small beam

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<v Speaker 1>of light against a mirror. What's that? There's jet there's

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<v Speaker 1>a jet flame springing from the mirror and at leaps

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<v Speaker 1>right at the advancing men. It strikes them head on.

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<v Speaker 1>Good lord, they're turning into flame. Oh god, oh my god.

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<v Speaker 1>Now the whole field's caught fire, the woods, the barns,

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<v Speaker 1>the gas tanks, the automobiles, and spreading everywhere. It's coming

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<v Speaker 1>this way, about twenty yards to my right, very nice

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<v Speaker 1>and scene that was great, Chuck so Um they they

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<v Speaker 1>you mentioned, or I should say Phillips. The reporter on

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<v Speaker 1>the scene mentioned Professor Pearson, and he's this he ends

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<v Speaker 1>up being the main character and he's uh, he's an

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<v Speaker 1>interview he's in a Stromer's interviewed earlier on and he's

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<v Speaker 1>on the scene as it happens. Um, and the the

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<v Speaker 1>program just keeps going like that, like there's another there's

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<v Speaker 1>a main announcer. Um, who I played? I thought rather well, Um,

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<v Speaker 1>thank you, and it seemed to you by the future

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<v Speaker 1>as a fully artist, if I may say so, thank

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<v Speaker 1>you very much. I've been practicing. You want to hear

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<v Speaker 1>my machine gun? I've been doing that one since I

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<v Speaker 1>was like six. All right, how about walking through the forest?

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<v Speaker 1>All right now, how about a good punch to the face.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh wow, that was good, Thank you. Probably punched myself

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<v Speaker 1>in the thing. I'm dedicated. That's how dedicated to the

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<v Speaker 1>art of fully so. Um. The announcer just keeps bringing

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<v Speaker 1>in more and more news as this thing goes on

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<v Speaker 1>and unfolds of like, now, these things aren't just in

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<v Speaker 1>New Jersey there in Chicago. They're like out West they're

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<v Speaker 1>they're starting to invade everywhere, and they're killing people left

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<v Speaker 1>and right. That you said there was a government official

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<v Speaker 1>that reads a statement is actually that they say that

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<v Speaker 1>it's the Secretary of the Interior, which I thought was

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<v Speaker 1>particularly genius because I mean, probably not that many people

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<v Speaker 1>were familiar with the Secretary of the Interior, Harold x Um,

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<v Speaker 1>but they had him sound like FDR so that they

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<v Speaker 1>would kind of play on everyone's um, I guess unconscious

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<v Speaker 1>or I'm sure there were people who are like the

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<v Speaker 1>sounds just like FDR, but at the very least, it

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<v Speaker 1>would kind of evoke that government authority, the reality of

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<v Speaker 1>like a government figure, you know. Yeah. So meanwhile, on

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<v Speaker 1>the other stations, there's one that's running opposite, which is

0:22:29.560 --> 0:22:32.520
<v Speaker 1>a really really popular radio show at the time, um

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<v Speaker 1>probably the most popular, Chasing Sandborn Hour, which had the

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<v Speaker 1>very very famous ventriloquist Edgar Bergen in his dummy Charlie McCarthy,

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<v Speaker 1>and we talked about that on our ventilla Quism episode.

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<v Speaker 1>Remember that they started out on radio, which is hysterical.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't even know why they would even bother with

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<v Speaker 1>the dummy part. Just do too. You wouldn't even know

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<v Speaker 1>that's what he did. You wouldn't even have to wear

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<v Speaker 1>pants around and your spaghetti stained under shirt and yeah,

0:23:04.880 --> 0:23:08.199
<v Speaker 1>naked from the waist down, maybe some socks, doing a

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<v Speaker 1>couple of voices. Here's your contract Edgar Bergin, What do

0:23:10.880 --> 0:23:14.560
<v Speaker 1>you think about that? Charlie Dart get me started, Like

0:23:14.960 --> 0:23:17.480
<v Speaker 1>that's it. I could be a famous vintiloquist on the radio.

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<v Speaker 1>You just you just did it. I think I think

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<v Speaker 1>Hollywood's gonna come with Collin. But the real sort of

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<v Speaker 1>interesting um factoid here, I think is that people were

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<v Speaker 1>channel surfing back then when you cut to commercial, just

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<v Speaker 1>like we used to do when we didn't have pause

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<v Speaker 1>buttons and fast forward buttons. And what is this pause button?

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<v Speaker 1>You keep mentioning? I've never heard of this. You've never

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<v Speaker 1>paused television? No, wow, you you need I don't believe

0:23:44.680 --> 0:23:48.600
<v Speaker 1>I've ever paused anything in my life. It's funny. We

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<v Speaker 1>were Emily and I've been watching that German sci fi

0:23:51.520 --> 0:23:57.760
<v Speaker 1>series Dark, which is very challenging to follow, and uh,

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<v Speaker 1>there's a lot of rewinding like wait, wait, who was

0:24:00.000 --> 0:24:01.520
<v Speaker 1>at what did they just say? And we rewind it

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<v Speaker 1>a bit and do that again, and or you know,

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<v Speaker 1>of course I got to go the bathroom. Let me

0:24:05.000 --> 0:24:07.880
<v Speaker 1>depose it. And I was thinking about how, not too

0:24:07.920 --> 0:24:11.520
<v Speaker 1>long ago, you just if you missed something, you missed it.

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<v Speaker 1>You just paid the count or you paid yourself on

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<v Speaker 1>the couch. Yeah, there was no clear like, let me

0:24:17.359 --> 0:24:19.440
<v Speaker 1>go back and clear this up. It's like, what did

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<v Speaker 1>he say? I have no idea. I guess we'll never know.

0:24:21.760 --> 0:24:25.800
<v Speaker 1>There's no internet. I guess I should probably stop watching

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<v Speaker 1>this show altogether. You go walk up to the VCR

0:24:28.160 --> 0:24:31.840
<v Speaker 1>in President Jack. But at any rate, back then, let's

0:24:31.840 --> 0:24:35.120
<v Speaker 1>say Charlie McCarthy goes to break and no word from

0:24:35.119 --> 0:24:38.760
<v Speaker 1>Mark Banser and they flip it over to war the

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<v Speaker 1>world's at this point in the broadcast when the s

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<v Speaker 1>is hitting the fan and it's going to scare the

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<v Speaker 1>pants off of people in well, yeah, even more than

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<v Speaker 1>I think that they would have dialed over even before that,

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<v Speaker 1>so they might have caught like a news bulletin and

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<v Speaker 1>then maybe some of that music from the Meridian Room. Um,

0:24:58.160 --> 0:25:00.440
<v Speaker 1>so I really would have caught them. And there were

0:25:00.520 --> 0:25:03.480
<v Speaker 1>supposedly a substantial number of people who did dial over,

0:25:03.520 --> 0:25:06.920
<v Speaker 1>and we're like, wait, wait, what what is going on here?

0:25:06.920 --> 0:25:12.000
<v Speaker 1>And now we come to the reaction the response, because

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<v Speaker 1>if you picked up the paper the next day in America, um,

0:25:17.480 --> 0:25:20.080
<v Speaker 1>just about anywhere in any major city, you're going to

0:25:20.160 --> 0:25:24.119
<v Speaker 1>find huge, blaring headlines like the one that the New

0:25:24.160 --> 0:25:28.560
<v Speaker 1>York Daily News printed in tall, bold letters. Fake radio

0:25:28.680 --> 0:25:34.159
<v Speaker 1>war stirs terror through the US. Yeah, stories of of

0:25:34.720 --> 0:25:38.720
<v Speaker 1>shock and hysteria, stories of people taking their own life,

0:25:39.240 --> 0:25:42.880
<v Speaker 1>stories of people dying from heart attacks. The ape sat

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<v Speaker 1>a man in Pittsburgh found his wife with poison in

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<v Speaker 1>her hand and said, I'm gonna I'd rather die this

0:25:48.400 --> 0:25:52.080
<v Speaker 1>way than like that. And you know, talking to Wells

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<v Speaker 1>afterward in the aftermath of this, he apologizes publicly says

0:25:57.760 --> 0:26:01.119
<v Speaker 1>they didn't intend to do this. Uh, we had we

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<v Speaker 1>didn't know what was going to cause a panic. And

0:26:03.400 --> 0:26:05.680
<v Speaker 1>then you know, if you look over the years more interviews,

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<v Speaker 1>it's sort of seems like Wells is a little more like,

0:26:10.000 --> 0:26:11.440
<v Speaker 1>you know, we thought it would be pretty fun to

0:26:11.480 --> 0:26:13.560
<v Speaker 1>scare people, and I didn't know if it was going

0:26:13.600 --> 0:26:15.800
<v Speaker 1>to cause a panic, but we definitely intended it to

0:26:15.880 --> 0:26:20.960
<v Speaker 1>have this effect on people, whereas houseman in Cotch, We're like, no,

0:26:21.240 --> 0:26:23.360
<v Speaker 1>we really didn't mean it. Um. So it was sort

0:26:23.400 --> 0:26:26.400
<v Speaker 1>of conflicting reports from the production on what they thought

0:26:26.520 --> 0:26:30.160
<v Speaker 1>was going to be the result, right, Um. And I've

0:26:30.160 --> 0:26:33.160
<v Speaker 1>read an interview with John Landis, the great director who

0:26:33.280 --> 0:26:36.040
<v Speaker 1>um worked with Wells on a project that never got

0:26:36.080 --> 0:26:38.240
<v Speaker 1>made towards the end of wells life, and he didn't

0:26:38.240 --> 0:26:40.080
<v Speaker 1>say that. Wells admitted to him that he meant to,

0:26:40.200 --> 0:26:42.680
<v Speaker 1>but he got to know him enough that he was like, yes,

0:26:43.080 --> 0:26:46.680
<v Speaker 1>if you watched this, this initial press conference where he's

0:26:46.680 --> 0:26:50.960
<v Speaker 1>apologizing because the whole country was ripped apart in chaos

0:26:51.000 --> 0:26:54.080
<v Speaker 1>and we're running wild in the streets and like nearly

0:26:54.680 --> 0:26:59.440
<v Speaker 1>rioted because of his broadcast, he's not at all. He's

0:26:59.600 --> 0:27:03.080
<v Speaker 1>he's just as happy as a lark that this all happened,

0:27:03.480 --> 0:27:06.560
<v Speaker 1>even though he's pretending to apologize. And he said that

0:27:06.680 --> 0:27:10.240
<v Speaker 1>was just this resource And Wells, did you just say apologize.

0:27:11.440 --> 0:27:14.400
<v Speaker 1>It's a it's a new version I'm testing out. I

0:27:14.440 --> 0:27:17.760
<v Speaker 1>like it. It's it's good. Kind of yeah, it's it's

0:27:17.800 --> 0:27:21.879
<v Speaker 1>at least as good as apologize. So this was just

0:27:21.960 --> 0:27:24.000
<v Speaker 1>a couple of days in the news cycle. It wasn't

0:27:24.080 --> 0:27:26.439
<v Speaker 1>the biggest deal in the world, even though it was

0:27:26.440 --> 0:27:31.480
<v Speaker 1>fairly sensational. Uh. Story writing for for a newspapers. UH.

0:27:31.480 --> 0:27:33.399
<v Speaker 1>And it might have just gone that way had it

0:27:33.480 --> 0:27:38.600
<v Speaker 1>not been for a Princeton University social psychologist a couple

0:27:38.640 --> 0:27:43.560
<v Speaker 1>of years later named Hadley Cantrell, and Cantrell released a

0:27:43.600 --> 0:27:48.560
<v Speaker 1>book on the real effects of this thing and basically

0:27:48.560 --> 0:27:51.440
<v Speaker 1>said that you know, people were praying, crying, they were

0:27:51.760 --> 0:27:55.600
<v Speaker 1>frantically trying to escape death from the Martians. Six million

0:27:55.600 --> 0:27:58.320
<v Speaker 1>people listen to this thing, and at least when six

0:27:58.359 --> 0:28:01.280
<v Speaker 1>of them were frightened or disturbed, and I have the

0:28:01.320 --> 0:28:06.120
<v Speaker 1>evidence right here. Yeah, And the evidence that he had

0:28:06.240 --> 0:28:09.679
<v Speaker 1>was based on a series of interviews with a hundred

0:28:09.680 --> 0:28:12.119
<v Speaker 1>and thirty five people. Almost all of them were in

0:28:12.160 --> 0:28:15.760
<v Speaker 1>New Jersey, which remember that's where the crux of the

0:28:15.800 --> 0:28:19.359
<v Speaker 1>invasion and destruction being described took place, because Grover's Mill,

0:28:19.480 --> 0:28:23.160
<v Speaker 1>New Jersey is actually a real town in Jersey. Um,

0:28:23.320 --> 0:28:25.800
<v Speaker 1>so he went to Jersey because he was in Princeton.

0:28:25.840 --> 0:28:29.320
<v Speaker 1>So he went where he was and interviewed a hundred

0:28:29.359 --> 0:28:32.360
<v Speaker 1>and thirty five people, and he said, were you scared

0:28:32.760 --> 0:28:36.919
<v Speaker 1>by this broadcast? And the participant would say yes, and

0:28:36.960 --> 0:28:39.200
<v Speaker 1>he'd say you're in my study. And he'd ask the

0:28:39.240 --> 0:28:42.480
<v Speaker 1>next one, were you scared? Were you scared by this broadcast?

0:28:42.480 --> 0:28:45.000
<v Speaker 1>And they'd say no, he'd be like, you're not in

0:28:45.040 --> 0:28:48.160
<v Speaker 1>the study. And so yeah, he said in the in

0:28:48.240 --> 0:28:51.160
<v Speaker 1>the methodology that he selected a hundred out of the

0:28:51.240 --> 0:28:53.840
<v Speaker 1>hundred and thirty five because they had been scared by

0:28:53.840 --> 0:28:57.360
<v Speaker 1>the broadcast. And so he took this these interviews of

0:28:57.400 --> 0:29:00.440
<v Speaker 1>people in New Jersey and he extrapola did it to

0:29:00.520 --> 0:29:04.000
<v Speaker 1>the rest of the country, and he said, yep, this

0:29:04.080 --> 0:29:06.520
<v Speaker 1>is this is real. This is a really great example

0:29:06.680 --> 0:29:12.040
<v Speaker 1>of people, um being fooled into into terror and panic.

0:29:12.200 --> 0:29:16.120
<v Speaker 1>And you know the responses when this happens, like we

0:29:16.160 --> 0:29:19.040
<v Speaker 1>saw after the World were the World's broadcast, people will

0:29:19.120 --> 0:29:21.840
<v Speaker 1>run out into the street, they will flee the city,

0:29:22.040 --> 0:29:24.560
<v Speaker 1>they will um call their friends and neighbors, they will

0:29:24.880 --> 0:29:28.280
<v Speaker 1>um they may attempt suicide, they may die of a

0:29:28.320 --> 0:29:32.320
<v Speaker 1>heart attack. Like the New York Times UM reported, uh

0:29:32.760 --> 0:29:35.200
<v Speaker 1>twenty or so people in New York alone needed to

0:29:35.200 --> 0:29:38.640
<v Speaker 1>be treated for for shock and hysteria. This is what

0:29:38.800 --> 0:29:43.760
<v Speaker 1>happens when somebody toys with the public trust and UM yeah,

0:29:43.920 --> 0:29:47.920
<v Speaker 1>it's pretty nuts. The end That was what That was

0:29:47.960 --> 0:29:51.880
<v Speaker 1>the end of Hedley's Headley's book, right, Uh, yeah, not

0:29:51.920 --> 0:29:55.960
<v Speaker 1>the end of this episode. So this is what this

0:29:56.160 --> 0:30:00.240
<v Speaker 1>specific study is. What if you've ever taken um asked

0:30:00.280 --> 0:30:05.360
<v Speaker 1>media or communications college class, you've probably studied War of

0:30:05.360 --> 0:30:09.400
<v Speaker 1>the World's largely because of this study. Basically, it might

0:30:09.440 --> 0:30:11.920
<v Speaker 1>have just come and gone if it weren't for this

0:30:12.480 --> 0:30:15.840
<v Speaker 1>um this academic paper that we're put out and all

0:30:15.880 --> 0:30:19.000
<v Speaker 1>of a sudden, for decades and decades, it's reported on

0:30:19.040 --> 0:30:23.479
<v Speaker 1>as like a cautionary tale almost of responsibility and media,

0:30:23.840 --> 0:30:27.560
<v Speaker 1>even fictional media. And you know, as recently as two

0:30:27.560 --> 0:30:32.000
<v Speaker 1>thousand thirteen, PBS American Experienced documentary said this was the case.

0:30:32.120 --> 0:30:34.280
<v Speaker 1>Our old pals at Radio Lab in two thousand and

0:30:34.320 --> 0:30:37.360
<v Speaker 1>eight did an episode about this where that was the case.

0:30:38.200 --> 0:30:41.240
<v Speaker 1>But there were a few problems with this paper. Beyond

0:30:42.240 --> 0:30:47.200
<v Speaker 1>the supremely bad methodology behind just getting scared New Jersey

0:30:47.240 --> 0:30:50.600
<v Speaker 1>people to go in there and and give their report.

0:30:51.400 --> 0:30:54.160
<v Speaker 1>Was they found up that we they ended up finding

0:30:54.200 --> 0:30:57.320
<v Speaker 1>real ratings for this thing, and not a ton of

0:30:57.360 --> 0:31:00.719
<v Speaker 1>people even heard it. It turns out, uh so, so

0:31:00.920 --> 0:31:04.200
<v Speaker 1>his six million estimate was way off, way way way off.

0:31:04.720 --> 0:31:07.400
<v Speaker 1>And they did a survey during the program that said

0:31:07.400 --> 0:31:10.800
<v Speaker 1>two percent of respondents said that they were listening in

0:31:10.840 --> 0:31:14.360
<v Speaker 1>some markets, like big cities like Boston even preempted this

0:31:14.400 --> 0:31:19.240
<v Speaker 1>thing for local programming. So it wasn't a ton of people,

0:31:19.400 --> 0:31:22.360
<v Speaker 1>It wasn't a ton of people being scared and like, uh,

0:31:23.200 --> 0:31:26.360
<v Speaker 1>just literally losing their minds with fear and panic and

0:31:26.520 --> 0:31:30.840
<v Speaker 1>things swing so far the other way that it the

0:31:30.920 --> 0:31:34.240
<v Speaker 1>narrative became, you know what, no one was really scared

0:31:34.280 --> 0:31:37.480
<v Speaker 1>at all, And what newspapers really did was they put

0:31:37.480 --> 0:31:41.000
<v Speaker 1>out hit pieces on a competing medium like radio and

0:31:41.000 --> 0:31:44.920
<v Speaker 1>how you shouldn't trust it anymore. So so what happened

0:31:44.960 --> 0:31:49.000
<v Speaker 1>over the last within some time within the century, but

0:31:49.280 --> 0:31:53.520
<v Speaker 1>sometime in the two thousand tens, the the myth that

0:31:53.600 --> 0:31:56.680
<v Speaker 1>America lost its mind went bonkers and ran wild in

0:31:56.720 --> 0:31:58.920
<v Speaker 1>the street because they were panicked by the War of

0:31:58.960 --> 0:32:02.680
<v Speaker 1>the World's broadcast was shown to be a myth that

0:32:02.760 --> 0:32:07.880
<v Speaker 1>it didn't happen, and that was the new understanding for

0:32:07.960 --> 0:32:11.520
<v Speaker 1>a little while, um, just a few years, until another

0:32:11.600 --> 0:32:16.520
<v Speaker 1>guy came along and said, you know what, Um, they're

0:32:16.560 --> 0:32:20.080
<v Speaker 1>actually both both are right and both are wrong in

0:32:20.120 --> 0:32:22.280
<v Speaker 1>a lot of ways. Should we take a break and

0:32:22.320 --> 0:32:25.120
<v Speaker 1>talk about the truth always being somewhere in the middle?

0:32:25.840 --> 0:32:57.840
<v Speaker 1>Mm hmm, all right, I said, the truth is always

0:32:57.880 --> 0:33:00.800
<v Speaker 1>somewhere in between. That's not always the case with everything

0:33:00.800 --> 0:33:05.160
<v Speaker 1>in life obviously, but that's that's a saying for a reason. Uh,

0:33:05.200 --> 0:33:08.320
<v Speaker 1>And that's definitely seems to be the case. Uh, in

0:33:08.360 --> 0:33:12.800
<v Speaker 1>this case with a gentleman named a Brad Schwartz, he's

0:33:12.840 --> 0:33:17.080
<v Speaker 1>a probably the leading War of the World scholar. And

0:33:17.200 --> 0:33:21.400
<v Speaker 1>he went back and he went and investigated the letters

0:33:21.440 --> 0:33:23.880
<v Speaker 1>and the cables that that came in. Uh. They were

0:33:23.880 --> 0:33:26.800
<v Speaker 1>at the University of Michigan Archives, and these are the

0:33:26.880 --> 0:33:30.040
<v Speaker 1>letters that actually came in two Wells and the Mercury

0:33:30.120 --> 0:33:33.400
<v Speaker 1>Theater in the days after the broadcast. And what he contends,

0:33:33.400 --> 0:33:36.239
<v Speaker 1>and I agree, is that this is what you need

0:33:36.280 --> 0:33:38.920
<v Speaker 1>to be reading, is what people were really thinking at

0:33:38.920 --> 0:33:41.920
<v Speaker 1>the time, that weren't just cherry picked in the town

0:33:41.960 --> 0:33:44.840
<v Speaker 1>where that got attacked in New Jersey, who were obviously

0:33:44.840 --> 0:33:46.400
<v Speaker 1>they were going to be freaked out more than anyone

0:33:46.440 --> 0:33:49.360
<v Speaker 1>in the country. Right. So one of the things that

0:33:49.400 --> 0:33:52.560
<v Speaker 1>he points out is, you know, everybody been, you know,

0:33:52.640 --> 0:33:55.480
<v Speaker 1>since around two thousand ten or maybe a little earlier.

0:33:55.800 --> 0:33:59.640
<v Speaker 1>Everyone had been wailing on Hadley can't traill Um for

0:33:59.760 --> 0:34:06.480
<v Speaker 1>his terrible, terrible methodology. Um, but they the revisionists were

0:34:06.600 --> 0:34:08.879
<v Speaker 1>also kind of doing the same thing. They were making

0:34:08.880 --> 0:34:12.320
<v Speaker 1>all sorts of suppositions, like the idea that the newspapers

0:34:12.760 --> 0:34:19.160
<v Speaker 1>had basically conspired to target radio its rival to show

0:34:19.239 --> 0:34:21.720
<v Speaker 1>how irresponsible it was and how it shouldn't be trusted

0:34:21.760 --> 0:34:23.880
<v Speaker 1>with the news, that it's really newspapers that should be

0:34:23.880 --> 0:34:25.840
<v Speaker 1>handling the news. And maybe you can listen to a

0:34:25.840 --> 0:34:28.719
<v Speaker 1>little or fanny on on the radio, but that's about it.

0:34:29.080 --> 0:34:31.719
<v Speaker 1>That that was all supposition. That was as much supposition

0:34:31.800 --> 0:34:36.440
<v Speaker 1>as um Hadley can trill extrapolated his findings in New

0:34:36.520 --> 0:34:39.200
<v Speaker 1>Jersey to the rest of the country. UM. And a

0:34:39.320 --> 0:34:41.919
<v Speaker 1>Brad Schwartz. One of the reasons I think he's doing

0:34:41.920 --> 0:34:44.880
<v Speaker 1>a good jobs because he's he's saying no where. If

0:34:44.920 --> 0:34:48.080
<v Speaker 1>you actually sit down and read these letters and these

0:34:48.120 --> 0:34:50.239
<v Speaker 1>cables that were coming in in the days after, they

0:34:50.280 --> 0:34:54.640
<v Speaker 1>really probably paint the most accurate picture anyone's ever found

0:34:54.719 --> 0:34:58.600
<v Speaker 1>to this to this point of how it was actually received.

0:34:58.640 --> 0:35:03.120
<v Speaker 1>Like you can see almost in real time at the time, Um,

0:35:03.200 --> 0:35:05.920
<v Speaker 1>what people were saying about this by in their letters

0:35:06.000 --> 0:35:09.640
<v Speaker 1>to orson wells into the Mercury Theater on the air. Yeah,

0:35:09.680 --> 0:35:12.359
<v Speaker 1>and and it was a range of feelings. It was

0:35:12.440 --> 0:35:15.680
<v Speaker 1>everything from people who said, you know what, we knew

0:35:15.719 --> 0:35:19.080
<v Speaker 1>it wasn't real, but it was really scary and super awesome.

0:35:20.080 --> 0:35:21.840
<v Speaker 1>I don't know if they said things like super awesome.

0:35:22.440 --> 0:35:25.440
<v Speaker 1>He said that a number of people wrote in who

0:35:25.920 --> 0:35:29.560
<v Speaker 1>actually um made fun of the people who fell for

0:35:29.640 --> 0:35:32.920
<v Speaker 1>it and said that you know, they're they're gullible, their

0:35:33.080 --> 0:35:35.600
<v Speaker 1>their rubes, and one writer even said they should be

0:35:35.640 --> 0:35:39.560
<v Speaker 1>sterilized and disenfranchised. Yeah, because they'd shown that in an

0:35:39.600 --> 0:35:42.840
<v Speaker 1>actual emergency they were undependable. They would just run around

0:35:42.880 --> 0:35:45.759
<v Speaker 1>like chickens with their heads cut off in the streets. Yeah.

0:35:45.840 --> 0:35:48.799
<v Speaker 1>And Swartz sort of draws a line between what was

0:35:48.840 --> 0:35:52.000
<v Speaker 1>going on back then to us today with this whole

0:35:52.040 --> 0:35:56.080
<v Speaker 1>fake news hoax garbage that we have to listen to

0:35:56.280 --> 0:36:00.400
<v Speaker 1>day in and day out, and uh basically said, this

0:36:00.440 --> 0:36:03.919
<v Speaker 1>was the first viral phenomenon in media. Was the World

0:36:03.920 --> 0:36:06.479
<v Speaker 1>of the World's broadcast, and it was a mixed bag.

0:36:06.600 --> 0:36:09.440
<v Speaker 1>Some people loved it, some people did think it was

0:36:09.480 --> 0:36:12.879
<v Speaker 1>real and panicked, but it certainly was not this widespread

0:36:13.719 --> 0:36:16.719
<v Speaker 1>panic across the country like you were talking about. Yeah,

0:36:16.719 --> 0:36:19.239
<v Speaker 1>he said, less than a chord of the letters described

0:36:19.280 --> 0:36:22.520
<v Speaker 1>what he would consider panic, but even most of those

0:36:22.560 --> 0:36:25.000
<v Speaker 1>weren't actually angry when they were writing the letter. A

0:36:25.040 --> 0:36:28.359
<v Speaker 1>lot of them were thrilled. But he he did right.

0:36:28.600 --> 0:36:32.120
<v Speaker 1>But he did say, um that, yes, there are cases

0:36:32.160 --> 0:36:36.160
<v Speaker 1>that you see in these letters and cables, Um that

0:36:36.160 --> 0:36:40.520
<v Speaker 1>that described people panicking. So that did happen in some cases.

0:36:40.800 --> 0:36:44.440
<v Speaker 1>Most of it seems to have been isolated in New Jersey.

0:36:45.160 --> 0:36:49.280
<v Speaker 1>So if Hadley ken Trill had not extrapolated his findings

0:36:49.560 --> 0:36:52.880
<v Speaker 1>and had you know, interviewed more people who had different

0:36:52.920 --> 0:36:54.920
<v Speaker 1>reactions to the broadcast. But if it had just been

0:36:54.960 --> 0:36:58.960
<v Speaker 1>like an investigation into the reaction in New Jersey, that

0:36:59.120 --> 0:37:02.280
<v Speaker 1>study or that look would have been much more useful.

0:37:02.640 --> 0:37:04.640
<v Speaker 1>But the fact is he just screwed the screwed the

0:37:04.680 --> 0:37:09.080
<v Speaker 1>methodology up so badly that it's it's basically useless. But

0:37:09.840 --> 0:37:13.840
<v Speaker 1>he wasn't. He didn't make up the panic that he described.

0:37:13.880 --> 0:37:17.200
<v Speaker 1>Necessarily may have exaggerated it, who knows, but it did.

0:37:17.640 --> 0:37:20.200
<v Speaker 1>It does seem to have actually happened in some cases,

0:37:20.239 --> 0:37:24.400
<v Speaker 1>but it was sporadic, few and far between, certainly not organized,

0:37:24.440 --> 0:37:26.920
<v Speaker 1>and certainly not seen across the rest of the country

0:37:26.960 --> 0:37:30.200
<v Speaker 1>like it was reported on by the papers the next day. Yeah,

0:37:30.239 --> 0:37:31.960
<v Speaker 1>which sort of leads us to the story of the

0:37:32.239 --> 0:37:37.839
<v Speaker 1>poor pulses of Manhattan. This Manhattan couple Um, they did

0:37:37.880 --> 0:37:41.799
<v Speaker 1>fall for it. They were very scared. Apparently, as the

0:37:41.840 --> 0:37:45.240
<v Speaker 1>story goes, they got their last six dollars together and

0:37:45.520 --> 0:37:47.040
<v Speaker 1>got on a train to get the heck out of

0:37:47.080 --> 0:37:51.240
<v Speaker 1>New York m assuming not going west into New Jersey,

0:37:51.719 --> 0:37:55.440
<v Speaker 1>they went north towards Connecticut. Um, got as far as

0:37:55.440 --> 0:37:58.200
<v Speaker 1>they could on what little money they had. Get off

0:37:58.239 --> 0:38:00.879
<v Speaker 1>the train, and you know, there's a bunch of other

0:38:00.920 --> 0:38:03.520
<v Speaker 1>passengers that they're telling, you know, they're warning everybody of

0:38:03.560 --> 0:38:08.560
<v Speaker 1>what's happened. And this one guy there goes over and

0:38:08.640 --> 0:38:10.960
<v Speaker 1>gets there. And I just pictured this in the movie.

0:38:11.000 --> 0:38:13.040
<v Speaker 1>It's like, no one's listening to this guy. And he

0:38:13.440 --> 0:38:16.480
<v Speaker 1>picks up the newspaper basically the TV guide to the

0:38:16.560 --> 0:38:20.600
<v Speaker 1>Dunkin Donuts. He says, hey, guys, it says right here

0:38:21.400 --> 0:38:23.480
<v Speaker 1>were the world's broadcast is supposed to be on at

0:38:23.480 --> 0:38:26.360
<v Speaker 1>that hour. Um, Like, it just says right here in

0:38:26.400 --> 0:38:31.000
<v Speaker 1>the newspaper. It's a it's a radio play. Everyone no one, everyone,

0:38:31.239 --> 0:38:34.320
<v Speaker 1>no one, nobody, Okay. And then he just goes and

0:38:34.360 --> 0:38:37.279
<v Speaker 1>gets on the train and leaves. But they feel bad

0:38:37.320 --> 0:38:40.040
<v Speaker 1>for them that the other people that were you know,

0:38:40.080 --> 0:38:42.879
<v Speaker 1>that had gathered together, they loaned them or gave them

0:38:42.880 --> 0:38:45.399
<v Speaker 1>I guess some money, and she chipped in and got

0:38:45.440 --> 0:38:49.160
<v Speaker 1>them back to New York City. And then later Estelle

0:38:49.239 --> 0:38:53.320
<v Speaker 1>Pauls wrote a fifteen page letter the next day to

0:38:53.440 --> 0:38:58.080
<v Speaker 1>Orson Wells that was very admiring and said how thrilled

0:38:58.120 --> 0:39:04.759
<v Speaker 1>she was, but he imagine what else I know? Hell

0:39:04.800 --> 0:39:07.359
<v Speaker 1>of a story, I think, is what which she has

0:39:07.440 --> 0:39:10.359
<v Speaker 1>kept over and over and over all. Right, So, um

0:39:10.840 --> 0:39:13.640
<v Speaker 1>so that was one of the letters that Abrad Schwartz

0:39:13.680 --> 0:39:17.600
<v Speaker 1>turned up in that trove, and like it very clearly

0:39:17.640 --> 0:39:20.080
<v Speaker 1>describes a couple panicking because they mistook the War of

0:39:20.080 --> 0:39:24.120
<v Speaker 1>the World's broadcast. But again, um, this was not like

0:39:24.360 --> 0:39:28.880
<v Speaker 1>across the nation like the papers reported, and Schwartz actually

0:39:28.920 --> 0:39:32.840
<v Speaker 1>explains to the papers basically, um, as a combination of

0:39:32.880 --> 0:39:35.959
<v Speaker 1>a couple of things. One is a bias. I can't

0:39:36.000 --> 0:39:40.600
<v Speaker 1>tell if it's selection bias, volunteer bias, or confirmation bias,

0:39:40.600 --> 0:39:44.840
<v Speaker 1>but the biases as follows. If you're in a newsroom

0:39:44.960 --> 0:39:46.839
<v Speaker 1>and all of a sudden, your phone starts ringing off

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<v Speaker 1>the hook, and you're getting a hundred and fifty percent

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<v Speaker 1>more calls that night, and all of them are people

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<v Speaker 1>asking about this Martian invasion and what's going on? And

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<v Speaker 1>is this real or is this a hoax? Or have

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<v Speaker 1>you guys heard anything about this? And some of those

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<v Speaker 1>calls are even from the local police who are also

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<v Speaker 1>getting similar calls, and now they're calling you to find out.

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<v Speaker 1>Then it seems like there's a lot of people calling

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<v Speaker 1>and freaking out about this Martian thing. But if you

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<v Speaker 1>step back, if you zoom out and look at that

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<v Speaker 1>number of people that actually called the newsroom, it's just

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<v Speaker 1>this minute fraction of the population of whatever town it is. Um,

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<v Speaker 1>So it wasn't a bunch of people freaking out, But

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<v Speaker 1>to the people answering the phone in the newsroom who

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<v Speaker 1>are getting swamped with calls, way more calls than usual,

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<v Speaker 1>it did seem like that. So that, combined with anecdotal

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<v Speaker 1>reports that no one followed up followed up on from

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<v Speaker 1>the wire services that people were attempting suicide or having

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<v Speaker 1>heart attacks or whatever, that just being reported and related

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<v Speaker 1>as fact, led everybody to believe that this was actually

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<v Speaker 1>happening out there in the country, that people were running.

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<v Speaker 1>Well maybe not my town, because I stuck my head

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<v Speaker 1>outside of the news room and I didn't see anything,

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<v Speaker 1>but I hear they're going crazy in Chicago, right now

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<v Speaker 1>or I hear they're really going nuts in Milwaukee or whatever. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's how it got reported, and that's what everyone

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<v Speaker 1>thought happened. People who lived through this thought that this

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<v Speaker 1>happened the next day. Orson Welles thought his career was

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<v Speaker 1>in jeopardy the next day because he accidentally made America

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<v Speaker 1>go berserk. And that's how that myth began, and that's

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<v Speaker 1>how it stood. And and A Brad Schworts basically traced

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<v Speaker 1>it back to lazy, lazy reporting. So myth busted thanks

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<v Speaker 1>to A. Brad Schwartz and US and US for sure,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm glad you included us. So there's an interesting footnote

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<v Speaker 1>here though, because this actually did kind of play out

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<v Speaker 1>that way, um eight years later and night was eight

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<v Speaker 1>years later, Yeah, in Ecuador. So this is in Quito, Ecuador.

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<v Speaker 1>These broadcasters recreate the Orson Wells radio play, um, and

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<v Speaker 1>they did a version that went a lot further than

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<v Speaker 1>his did and got other radio stations to join in

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<v Speaker 1>and add to their warding, which really pretty brilliant move

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<v Speaker 1>there to increase like you turned the station and it's

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<v Speaker 1>happening over there too. And this really did scare people.

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<v Speaker 1>They really did take to the streets and panic. Uh

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<v Speaker 1>there was you know, public panic going on. And then

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<v Speaker 1>the crowd finds out that it's fiction and they get

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<v Speaker 1>angry and actually turned into an angry mob and burned

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<v Speaker 1>down the local newspaper building that had the radio station

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<v Speaker 1>inside of it, killing six people. Yeah, six people died,

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<v Speaker 1>fifteen people were injured, Like they knew that the staff

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<v Speaker 1>was in that building, and they set the building on

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<v Speaker 1>fire to try and kill them. A bunch of people

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<v Speaker 1>escaped out the back, but a lot of people didn't escape,

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<v Speaker 1>and the two people who were responsible for the broadcast,

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<v Speaker 1>including UM, Ecuador's most beloved and trusted presenter, UM, were

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<v Speaker 1>indicted for it. Like they're more safer basically, yeah, exactly, Um,

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<v Speaker 1>and they were. They were indicted for their role in this.

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<v Speaker 1>Like people died because of it. And this actually does

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<v Speaker 1>seem to have happened in Ecuador. Amazing. Yeah, So there

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<v Speaker 1>you go. The idea that America fell into chaos and

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<v Speaker 1>panic after the war the world's broadcast is largely myth.

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<v Speaker 1>Go forth and spread the gospel everybody, unless you're in Ecuador,

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<v Speaker 1>and then you're like, no, it's actually happened here. Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>And since I said that, actually happened here, I think,

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<v Speaker 1>Chuck is time for the listener mail. So this is

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<v Speaker 1>uh from Tom in the UK. Did you see this email?

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think so. It's great. It's one long sentence

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm gonna try and read it. And how I

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<v Speaker 1>think Tom speaks as as Tom from the UK, because

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<v Speaker 1>just the way he wrote it, I think Tom probably

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<v Speaker 1>talks a little bit like this. This isn't Tom from

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<v Speaker 1>the UK who was our tour manager when we did

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<v Speaker 1>our UK tour? Is it now? Well? Shout out to

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<v Speaker 1>that Tom. This is an engineer and this is what

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<v Speaker 1>he all right, Sup, Josh and Chuck, Tom engineer from

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<v Speaker 1>the UK, Stoke on Trent, big fan of the show.

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<v Speaker 1>Been binging for about two years and got through all

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<v Speaker 1>of them, all of you lot, even Jerry have got

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<v Speaker 1>me through a lot these last couple of years, and

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<v Speaker 1>I put a few people onto your podcast. Wanted to

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<v Speaker 1>email you lot for a while and finally managed to

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<v Speaker 1>get round to emailing a load of things to people

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<v Speaker 1>about stuff that really doesn't matter. Emailed the TV show

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<v Speaker 1>about one of their actors, a part of a particle

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<v Speaker 1>physicist about using a light year of lead as a

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<v Speaker 1>frame of reference. The company super Noodles for the excellent

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<v Speaker 1>job they've done with their super noodle part, but I'm

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<v Speaker 1>not much for the pas And I just wanted to say,

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<v Speaker 1>I know you like the Japanese mayo, but you really

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<v Speaker 1>need to try the Polish mayo. Spot on all the

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<v Speaker 1>best Tom boil Boy Tom now is great And Chuck,

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<v Speaker 1>that was a fantastic stoke on trent accent, the most

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<v Speaker 1>accurate I've ever heard and the first Tom that was

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<v Speaker 1>a great email. And you're right, Chuck, I love that

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<v Speaker 1>email so much. I had so much fun. You were

0:45:12.920 --> 0:45:16.280
<v Speaker 1>right to choose that one. UM. So thanks Tom, thanks

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<v Speaker 1>for writing in. Thank you for including us in your

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<v Speaker 1>list of people you harass via email. Um, and keep listening, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>and keep writing in. Maybe we'll make this a regular thing, Chuck,

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<v Speaker 1>I would that yep. So Tom right in again. Uh

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