1 00:00:00,960 --> 00:00:04,440 Speaker 1: Welcome to the Tutor Dixon Podcast. Well, last week the 2 00:00:04,519 --> 00:00:09,119 Speaker 1: EU foiled Hamas terror plots in Germany and Denmark. But 3 00:00:09,200 --> 00:00:12,960 Speaker 1: here's the thing. If you defend Hamas, which is what 4 00:00:13,440 --> 00:00:16,560 Speaker 1: people are actually doing when they're calling for a ceasefire, 5 00:00:16,800 --> 00:00:20,200 Speaker 1: well then you have to understand that defending Hamas means 6 00:00:20,200 --> 00:00:23,239 Speaker 1: you're also clearing the way for additional tacks. I mean, 7 00:00:23,239 --> 00:00:26,200 Speaker 1: that's just the reality of it. So understand that these 8 00:00:26,200 --> 00:00:30,600 Speaker 1: are very wealthy terror organizations and they're now planning a 9 00:00:30,680 --> 00:00:34,760 Speaker 1: text in Western countries, and yet we still have Biden's 10 00:00:34,760 --> 00:00:38,600 Speaker 1: staffers protesting outside of the White House where they work, 11 00:00:39,240 --> 00:00:43,440 Speaker 1: calling for a ceasefire. These are actually his own employees 12 00:00:43,479 --> 00:00:46,320 Speaker 1: that work in the White House in his administration that 13 00:00:46,360 --> 00:00:49,000 Speaker 1: are like, dude, you're wrong. We don't like your policies. 14 00:00:49,880 --> 00:00:54,640 Speaker 1: Change them. They're openly criticizing their boss, their party's policies. 15 00:00:55,000 --> 00:00:56,720 Speaker 1: And there's no other way to say this, but they 16 00:00:56,720 --> 00:01:00,000 Speaker 1: are asking for Joe Biden to be soft on terror. 17 00:01:00,560 --> 00:01:03,560 Speaker 1: We've talked about the soft on crime policies that they've 18 00:01:03,560 --> 00:01:06,480 Speaker 1: had that have clearly not been working in the United States. 19 00:01:07,080 --> 00:01:10,440 Speaker 1: But now they're saying, Joe, give a little space to 20 00:01:10,480 --> 00:01:13,880 Speaker 1: these terrorists, give them a little bit of space so 21 00:01:13,920 --> 00:01:16,000 Speaker 1: that they can attack again in new places. I mean, 22 00:01:16,040 --> 00:01:18,960 Speaker 1: that's what's going to happen. So I figured the best 23 00:01:18,959 --> 00:01:21,640 Speaker 1: guy to break this down for us was my friend 24 00:01:21,840 --> 00:01:23,959 Speaker 1: and also a guy that knows a little bit about Germany. 25 00:01:24,400 --> 00:01:27,040 Speaker 1: Ambassador Rick Renew. Thank you for joining us. 26 00:01:27,600 --> 00:01:29,080 Speaker 2: Thanks for having me. It's a real honor. 27 00:01:29,640 --> 00:01:32,440 Speaker 1: Oh well, I'm so happy you're here because I think 28 00:01:32,480 --> 00:01:35,400 Speaker 1: we really need to start educating people on this. And honestly, 29 00:01:35,480 --> 00:01:38,480 Speaker 1: I was talking just yesterday to a guy who is 30 00:01:38,800 --> 00:01:42,800 Speaker 1: a pretty far left liberal and he was like, we 31 00:01:42,920 --> 00:01:46,080 Speaker 1: have to just go in and talk to the Palestinians 32 00:01:46,160 --> 00:01:49,640 Speaker 1: and talk to Hamas and this can all be cleared up. 33 00:01:49,840 --> 00:01:52,160 Speaker 1: We're like, what, why do people think that? 34 00:01:54,160 --> 00:01:56,880 Speaker 3: Look, let's start with a couple of facts that I 35 00:01:56,960 --> 00:02:01,160 Speaker 3: think is really important for this discussion. One, you know, 36 00:02:01,200 --> 00:02:06,120 Speaker 3: we've had an election in the Palestinian territories that produced 37 00:02:06,520 --> 00:02:10,240 Speaker 3: Mamoda bas In two thousand and five. He was supposed 38 00:02:10,280 --> 00:02:13,080 Speaker 3: to be there for five years, so he's now in 39 00:02:13,120 --> 00:02:15,520 Speaker 3: his eighteenth year of his five year term. 40 00:02:17,000 --> 00:02:20,840 Speaker 2: He keeps getting, you know, the support of the people. 41 00:02:22,000 --> 00:02:28,400 Speaker 3: We have Iranian backed groups, whether it's Hesboala Yemen, who these. 42 00:02:30,200 --> 00:02:31,040 Speaker 2: Hamas. 43 00:02:31,120 --> 00:02:34,960 Speaker 3: There's just all sorts of Iranian backed groups that have 44 00:02:35,040 --> 00:02:38,520 Speaker 3: been well funded by the Biden administration. 45 00:02:39,560 --> 00:02:42,120 Speaker 2: And let's be clear too that the. 46 00:02:42,040 --> 00:02:47,600 Speaker 3: Biden administration has this belief that engagement will work, and 47 00:02:47,639 --> 00:02:48,840 Speaker 3: so they've tried to. 48 00:02:48,960 --> 00:02:50,280 Speaker 2: Engage with Iran. 49 00:02:50,360 --> 00:02:54,000 Speaker 3: They believe the Biden administration believes that if you engage 50 00:02:54,080 --> 00:02:57,880 Speaker 3: with Iran that you can convince them to be a. 51 00:02:57,800 --> 00:02:59,240 Speaker 2: Better player internationally. 52 00:02:59,840 --> 00:03:03,360 Speaker 3: Now I just fundamentally don't think that that's true, and 53 00:03:03,440 --> 00:03:06,640 Speaker 3: I think that you have to benchmark your policies. I 54 00:03:06,720 --> 00:03:10,079 Speaker 3: am for engagement in some instances. I think when Donald 55 00:03:10,080 --> 00:03:13,320 Speaker 3: Trump engaged North Korea, for instance, a lot of people said, oh, 56 00:03:13,400 --> 00:03:15,720 Speaker 3: don't do that, you know it's. 57 00:03:15,560 --> 00:03:16,120 Speaker 2: Not going to work. 58 00:03:16,160 --> 00:03:19,600 Speaker 3: But it did work. So sometimes engagement works, like with 59 00:03:19,720 --> 00:03:23,520 Speaker 3: the North Koreans, and sometimes engagement does not work, like 60 00:03:23,560 --> 00:03:28,600 Speaker 3: for twenty years trying to engage the Iranians. I think 61 00:03:28,639 --> 00:03:32,239 Speaker 3: that the policy that President Trump put in place for 62 00:03:32,480 --> 00:03:39,160 Speaker 3: Iran to really make them a pariah state, have them 63 00:03:39,760 --> 00:03:44,640 Speaker 3: internationally sanctioned. You know, we were very clear in the 64 00:03:44,640 --> 00:03:47,440 Speaker 3: Trump administration you can either do business with Iran or 65 00:03:47,480 --> 00:03:48,160 Speaker 3: the United States. 66 00:03:48,200 --> 00:03:49,080 Speaker 2: You can't do both. 67 00:03:49,840 --> 00:03:54,160 Speaker 3: And places like Germany and the German business community chose 68 00:03:54,240 --> 00:03:58,680 Speaker 3: to work with America. We were squeezing the Iranians. I personally, 69 00:03:58,760 --> 00:04:02,320 Speaker 3: when I was ambassador in German, any shut down Mahan 70 00:04:02,480 --> 00:04:07,480 Speaker 3: air which was an Iranian airline going into Germany on 71 00:04:07,520 --> 00:04:11,360 Speaker 3: a weekly basis from Tehran. We had intelligence showing that 72 00:04:11,400 --> 00:04:14,040 Speaker 3: they were up to no good, and so I took 73 00:04:14,080 --> 00:04:16,400 Speaker 3: that to Chancellor Merkle. She didn't want to do it, 74 00:04:17,360 --> 00:04:20,880 Speaker 3: but we forced her hand, and that when you do 75 00:04:21,000 --> 00:04:23,520 Speaker 3: things like that, when you shut down the Iranian airline 76 00:04:23,560 --> 00:04:25,560 Speaker 3: into Germany, you're not. 77 00:04:25,440 --> 00:04:26,680 Speaker 2: The most popular person. 78 00:04:26,760 --> 00:04:29,720 Speaker 3: You're certainly not the most popular ambassador by doing something 79 00:04:29,760 --> 00:04:32,400 Speaker 3: like that, by demanding it. But Tudor, you know, this 80 00:04:32,560 --> 00:04:35,560 Speaker 3: is the right thing to do, and we don't seek 81 00:04:35,960 --> 00:04:38,640 Speaker 3: to have the applause of the German public or the 82 00:04:38,680 --> 00:04:42,760 Speaker 3: German government. We were seeking to protect people. And I'll 83 00:04:42,839 --> 00:04:46,520 Speaker 3: add one more point to that, which was when I 84 00:04:46,600 --> 00:04:51,240 Speaker 3: was ambassador, it was really frustrating for me to see 85 00:04:51,440 --> 00:04:57,280 Speaker 3: Hesbelah have operatives throughout Europe, and this is an Iranian 86 00:04:57,360 --> 00:05:00,719 Speaker 3: backed group having operatives in Europe. I went to Chancellor 87 00:05:00,720 --> 00:05:02,679 Speaker 3: Merkel and I said, come on, we got to shut 88 00:05:02,680 --> 00:05:06,720 Speaker 3: down HESBLA. It's a terrorist organization. And her answer to 89 00:05:06,760 --> 00:05:10,279 Speaker 3: me was, well, we're a member of the EU, the 90 00:05:10,360 --> 00:05:12,480 Speaker 3: Germans are, and so you have to go to Brussels 91 00:05:12,520 --> 00:05:14,360 Speaker 3: and you have to convince the EU because we only 92 00:05:14,400 --> 00:05:19,159 Speaker 3: worked together. And I remember pushing back saying I could 93 00:05:19,240 --> 00:05:22,120 Speaker 3: come up with like twelve things that Germany is doing 94 00:05:22,279 --> 00:05:24,200 Speaker 3: that is different than the EU. 95 00:05:24,400 --> 00:05:27,840 Speaker 2: So you're picking and choosing when to be protected by 96 00:05:27,880 --> 00:05:30,520 Speaker 2: the EU. But I tried. I went to Brussels. 97 00:05:31,200 --> 00:05:35,320 Speaker 3: I tried that, got nowhere, came back to Germany, pressured 98 00:05:35,360 --> 00:05:38,200 Speaker 3: the German government, continue to pressure. They did not like it. 99 00:05:38,640 --> 00:05:41,000 Speaker 3: The media did not like it. They thought I was 100 00:05:41,040 --> 00:05:45,080 Speaker 3: being a bully. But guess what. We hired a German 101 00:05:45,160 --> 00:05:50,760 Speaker 3: lawyer to produce a document, a white paper on how 102 00:05:50,839 --> 00:05:57,000 Speaker 3: the German government could make Hesbela illegal under the German laws. 103 00:05:57,640 --> 00:06:01,880 Speaker 3: And I had that done. I presented it to a 104 00:06:01,920 --> 00:06:04,520 Speaker 3: guy named Jan Hecker, who was the national security advisor 105 00:06:04,560 --> 00:06:05,080 Speaker 3: in Germany. 106 00:06:05,560 --> 00:06:09,280 Speaker 2: He embraced it, and they moved the Bundestag and. 107 00:06:09,400 --> 00:06:12,600 Speaker 3: Germany, when I was there, thanks to Donald Trump's pressure, 108 00:06:13,480 --> 00:06:18,479 Speaker 3: outlawed Hesbela and they were outside of the EU. The 109 00:06:18,520 --> 00:06:21,280 Speaker 3: EU didn't do it, the Germans did it, and so 110 00:06:22,279 --> 00:06:26,640 Speaker 3: now they're using that law to crack down on the 111 00:06:26,680 --> 00:06:31,120 Speaker 3: other Iranian groups. So this is a perfect example to 112 00:06:31,200 --> 00:06:34,000 Speaker 3: show you that when you are trying to do the 113 00:06:34,040 --> 00:06:36,279 Speaker 3: right thing, it may not be popular in the beginning. 114 00:06:36,360 --> 00:06:39,520 Speaker 3: You may not get the applause of the German government. 115 00:06:39,560 --> 00:06:44,120 Speaker 3: You're going to get attacked from those who just want 116 00:06:44,240 --> 00:06:47,000 Speaker 3: you to be an ambassador, to come over and play 117 00:06:47,000 --> 00:06:50,560 Speaker 3: by their rules and you know, eat food and post 118 00:06:50,560 --> 00:06:53,080 Speaker 3: about how great the wine is. But that wasn't me. 119 00:06:53,839 --> 00:06:57,159 Speaker 3: And I think now I feel really good that you 120 00:06:57,200 --> 00:06:59,080 Speaker 3: know the three issues that I worked on there. 121 00:07:00,000 --> 00:07:02,640 Speaker 2: Nordstring two should never come into. 122 00:07:02,560 --> 00:07:06,320 Speaker 3: Fruition, and we did that, and the Biden team brought 123 00:07:06,360 --> 00:07:09,240 Speaker 3: it into fruition. They reverse our policy, and I would 124 00:07:09,320 --> 00:07:14,200 Speaker 3: argue created the war in Ukraine. NATO spending. The Germans, 125 00:07:14,480 --> 00:07:18,800 Speaker 3: the largest economy in Europe, are not spending their obligation 126 00:07:18,920 --> 00:07:21,200 Speaker 3: of two percent. They're moving towards it. 127 00:07:21,360 --> 00:07:24,080 Speaker 2: We pressured them, got a lot of bad press on that, 128 00:07:24,200 --> 00:07:27,120 Speaker 2: but we continue to pressure them. They did increase. They're 129 00:07:27,160 --> 00:07:30,080 Speaker 2: still not there, but they increased their spending. And then 130 00:07:30,160 --> 00:07:32,600 Speaker 2: third outlying husbal I was really proud of all three 131 00:07:32,640 --> 00:07:36,080 Speaker 2: of those very unpopular while I was there, but proven 132 00:07:36,120 --> 00:07:36,840 Speaker 2: to be the right thing. 133 00:07:37,520 --> 00:07:39,920 Speaker 1: So a lot of people have asked in a Trump administration, 134 00:07:40,400 --> 00:07:43,320 Speaker 1: what would have happened on October seventh. Now I know 135 00:07:43,400 --> 00:07:46,600 Speaker 1: some people say October seventh wouldn't have happened, Say it 136 00:07:46,640 --> 00:07:50,160 Speaker 1: did happen. How would a Trump administration be handling what's 137 00:07:50,200 --> 00:07:53,600 Speaker 1: going on right now? I just talked about Biden staffers 138 00:07:53,760 --> 00:07:57,920 Speaker 1: standing outside. They're calling it holding vigil outside the White House. 139 00:07:57,920 --> 00:08:00,360 Speaker 1: Give me a break. They're not sitting there praying. They're 140 00:08:00,400 --> 00:08:03,640 Speaker 1: out there saying we don't believe in They're protesting their 141 00:08:03,680 --> 00:08:06,160 Speaker 1: own leader. Who I have to say, is he really 142 00:08:06,200 --> 00:08:08,760 Speaker 1: a leader? If he has his staffers and these are 143 00:08:08,880 --> 00:08:11,800 Speaker 1: junior staffers out there that think that they have enough 144 00:08:12,840 --> 00:08:15,200 Speaker 1: hood spy, I guess that they have enough power within 145 00:08:15,240 --> 00:08:18,280 Speaker 1: the White House to stand outside and tell the President 146 00:08:18,360 --> 00:08:23,720 Speaker 1: you're wrong. What happens in a Trump administration when this goes. 147 00:08:23,520 --> 00:08:28,320 Speaker 3: On, Well, first of all, this war would never have happened. 148 00:08:29,120 --> 00:08:32,480 Speaker 3: There's no possible way that Hamas would have launched this 149 00:08:32,559 --> 00:08:33,320 Speaker 3: under Donald Trump. 150 00:08:33,400 --> 00:08:34,760 Speaker 2: So let's start with that premise. 151 00:08:36,720 --> 00:08:40,160 Speaker 3: Under the scenario that it did happen, or any kind 152 00:08:40,160 --> 00:08:44,200 Speaker 3: of terrorist attack happens around the world, I think President 153 00:08:44,240 --> 00:08:48,760 Speaker 3: Trump would let that company country deal with the terrorism 154 00:08:48,880 --> 00:08:53,120 Speaker 3: at hand. You have to appreciate the fact that after 155 00:08:53,200 --> 00:08:55,400 Speaker 3: nine to eleven, we didn't want anyone telling us how 156 00:08:55,400 --> 00:08:57,720 Speaker 3: to respond to the terrorist attack. 157 00:08:59,320 --> 00:09:04,440 Speaker 2: I'm all for putting America first, establishing the rule of law, 158 00:09:04,720 --> 00:09:08,040 Speaker 2: establishing capitalism, human rights and kind of. 159 00:09:08,040 --> 00:09:13,240 Speaker 3: These global order, you know rules, we can do that, 160 00:09:13,400 --> 00:09:15,720 Speaker 3: we should do that for ourselves. And I would argue 161 00:09:15,960 --> 00:09:18,920 Speaker 3: that when America puts itself first, we're not a selfish nation. 162 00:09:19,080 --> 00:09:22,600 Speaker 3: We're very generous, that people are very generous, that the 163 00:09:22,800 --> 00:09:26,199 Speaker 3: rules based system works for everybody, and so when America 164 00:09:26,200 --> 00:09:29,040 Speaker 3: puts itself first, it's a good thing for the rest 165 00:09:29,040 --> 00:09:31,400 Speaker 3: of the world. And I think other leaders are clamoring 166 00:09:31,440 --> 00:09:34,320 Speaker 3: for that. They want to see that. They don't want 167 00:09:35,080 --> 00:09:39,280 Speaker 3: Joe Biden to seek applause from the Europeans and try 168 00:09:39,280 --> 00:09:43,640 Speaker 3: to come up with, you know, some compromises. I always say, 169 00:09:43,679 --> 00:09:46,679 Speaker 3: the opposite of America first is consensus with the UN 170 00:09:47,120 --> 00:09:51,040 Speaker 3: or Europeans, and that's not what we want. And so 171 00:09:51,920 --> 00:09:55,040 Speaker 3: I think you would see President Trump or or any 172 00:09:55,559 --> 00:10:00,120 Speaker 3: Republican kind of tell Israel, this is terrible attack, let 173 00:10:00,200 --> 00:10:01,400 Speaker 3: us know what we can do to help you. 174 00:10:01,480 --> 00:10:04,240 Speaker 1: But you know you're in charge, but what about what's 175 00:10:04,240 --> 00:10:07,920 Speaker 1: happening on the ground here with these universities, with these protests, 176 00:10:07,920 --> 00:10:13,160 Speaker 1: with students who are seemingly uneducated on the full spectrum 177 00:10:13,160 --> 00:10:15,920 Speaker 1: of what's happening over there. And they're saying, oh, what 178 00:10:16,040 --> 00:10:19,839 Speaker 1: about the Palestinians where you have Hamas hiding amongst them? 179 00:10:19,880 --> 00:10:22,440 Speaker 1: And I want to point out that last week a 180 00:10:22,480 --> 00:10:25,920 Speaker 1: poll came out that said that they during the ceasefire, 181 00:10:25,960 --> 00:10:29,319 Speaker 1: they went in and surveyed Palestinians and more than seventy 182 00:10:29,320 --> 00:10:32,120 Speaker 1: five percent and in the West Bank more than eighty 183 00:10:32,160 --> 00:10:35,880 Speaker 1: percent of those folks said that they felt that October 184 00:10:35,920 --> 00:10:37,000 Speaker 1: seventh was a good thing. 185 00:10:39,120 --> 00:10:39,600 Speaker 2: Horrible. 186 00:10:40,040 --> 00:10:43,280 Speaker 3: Look, this is a this is a real crisis for 187 00:10:43,400 --> 00:10:48,000 Speaker 3: our young people who haven't been educated to listen to 188 00:10:48,080 --> 00:10:53,560 Speaker 3: the other side. We have our high schools, even younger 189 00:10:54,040 --> 00:10:59,240 Speaker 3: elementary schools. Certainly our universities have taught our kids for 190 00:10:59,280 --> 00:11:03,640 Speaker 3: twenty years to just not think critically, not to think 191 00:11:03,720 --> 00:11:09,120 Speaker 3: about the other side, but to swallow the left progressive argument. 192 00:11:09,800 --> 00:11:10,920 Speaker 2: Run out of the room. 193 00:11:10,920 --> 00:11:13,640 Speaker 3: If you don't hear it, try to cancel someone if 194 00:11:13,760 --> 00:11:17,000 Speaker 3: you disagree with them, and not just sit and listen. 195 00:11:17,080 --> 00:11:19,559 Speaker 3: We've got to change the way we're teaching our kids. 196 00:11:19,559 --> 00:11:22,760 Speaker 3: Our kids should be able to calmly hear both sides. 197 00:11:22,800 --> 00:11:24,400 Speaker 2: When I was in college. It's going to make me 198 00:11:24,679 --> 00:11:26,480 Speaker 2: sound old, but when I was in. 199 00:11:26,480 --> 00:11:30,160 Speaker 3: College, we were I went to a Christian school, and 200 00:11:30,200 --> 00:11:35,440 Speaker 3: we were forced to think about other issues the other side, 201 00:11:35,880 --> 00:11:40,560 Speaker 3: think critically, sit and listen to arguments on the other side, 202 00:11:40,840 --> 00:11:43,920 Speaker 3: calculate why you might think that they that they're wrong, 203 00:11:44,040 --> 00:11:47,160 Speaker 3: and then articulate that. Certainly not run out of the room. 204 00:11:47,360 --> 00:11:51,480 Speaker 3: Certainly you know, not to cancel someone who disagrees with you, 205 00:11:52,120 --> 00:11:55,400 Speaker 3: but listen and learn. We've got to get back to 206 00:11:55,440 --> 00:11:58,360 Speaker 3: that because we've got a whole generation of kids who 207 00:11:58,440 --> 00:12:03,079 Speaker 3: literally do not know how to think critically and calculate 208 00:12:03,960 --> 00:12:07,360 Speaker 3: as they're listening to something that they disagree with, why 209 00:12:07,400 --> 00:12:08,439 Speaker 3: they would disagree. 210 00:12:08,640 --> 00:12:11,360 Speaker 1: Let's take a quick commercial break. We'll continue next on 211 00:12:11,400 --> 00:12:18,719 Speaker 1: the Tutor Dixon podcast. I find it interesting because they 212 00:12:18,800 --> 00:12:21,840 Speaker 1: fall into a category that would be immediately eliminated by 213 00:12:21,880 --> 00:12:24,760 Speaker 1: the people they're defending. I mean, you are a champion 214 00:12:25,240 --> 00:12:28,520 Speaker 1: for gay rights, and you were one of the well 215 00:12:28,559 --> 00:12:32,400 Speaker 1: you were the first openly gay cabinet member in government. Correct, 216 00:12:32,440 --> 00:12:34,520 Speaker 1: is that right? I know that they like to say 217 00:12:34,640 --> 00:12:36,360 Speaker 1: that that was Budha judge, but it was not. 218 00:12:37,120 --> 00:12:38,559 Speaker 3: So what I like to do is I like to 219 00:12:38,559 --> 00:12:40,640 Speaker 3: make a joke out of it and say yes, I 220 00:12:40,800 --> 00:12:47,760 Speaker 3: was the first over six feet tall, because then they 221 00:12:47,800 --> 00:12:50,320 Speaker 3: can't argue. They always like to try to say, oh, well, 222 00:12:50,360 --> 00:12:54,280 Speaker 3: you know he wasn't confirmed, but it's ridiculous. 223 00:12:54,320 --> 00:12:58,360 Speaker 2: I was confirmed by the Senate, and the Vacancy's Act. 224 00:12:58,280 --> 00:13:01,280 Speaker 3: Talks about how you get to be a cabinet official 225 00:13:01,440 --> 00:13:03,720 Speaker 3: only if you've been confirmed by the Senate. 226 00:13:04,200 --> 00:13:06,680 Speaker 2: So you know, they go through loops. But you know 227 00:13:06,800 --> 00:13:07,880 Speaker 2: this world quite well. 228 00:13:07,960 --> 00:13:12,200 Speaker 3: Tootor they will say and do anything that's just undermine conservatives. 229 00:13:12,200 --> 00:13:13,240 Speaker 2: Doesn't bother me anymore. 230 00:13:13,760 --> 00:13:16,120 Speaker 1: But you worked very hard. I think this is something 231 00:13:16,120 --> 00:13:18,360 Speaker 1: that a lot of people don't know because the media 232 00:13:18,520 --> 00:13:21,160 Speaker 1: likes to hide at anything that the Trump administration did 233 00:13:21,200 --> 00:13:23,880 Speaker 1: that folks would go, wow, that was really impressive. And 234 00:13:23,920 --> 00:13:28,000 Speaker 1: you worked very hard to decriminalize homosexuality worldwide, and that 235 00:13:28,640 --> 00:13:30,600 Speaker 1: I think, I mean, just like what you're talking about 236 00:13:30,600 --> 00:13:34,000 Speaker 1: with Germany. People don't know the influence that the United 237 00:13:34,040 --> 00:13:37,440 Speaker 1: States has, the people that can work to influence other 238 00:13:37,480 --> 00:13:41,680 Speaker 1: countries who are doing horrible things, committing horrible atrocities against 239 00:13:41,720 --> 00:13:45,600 Speaker 1: the LGBTQ community. Just a couple of days ago, you 240 00:13:45,640 --> 00:13:48,160 Speaker 1: see that there was a highway shut down and the 241 00:13:48,200 --> 00:13:51,800 Speaker 1: people out in the front of the shutdown were gays 242 00:13:51,800 --> 00:13:54,680 Speaker 1: for Palestine, and they're out there and they're like, you know, 243 00:13:54,720 --> 00:13:58,200 Speaker 1: we got to protect these people. That is a place 244 00:13:58,320 --> 00:14:03,439 Speaker 1: that is not incredible accepting of the LGBTQ community. So 245 00:14:03,480 --> 00:14:07,240 Speaker 1: when you talk to these people, you've been there, You've 246 00:14:07,320 --> 00:14:10,720 Speaker 1: tried to decriminalized worldwide. What does it look like. What 247 00:14:10,880 --> 00:14:13,520 Speaker 1: is the difference between the Western world and some of 248 00:14:13,559 --> 00:14:15,880 Speaker 1: these places that you went to and said, stop treating 249 00:14:15,920 --> 00:14:18,280 Speaker 1: people so horribly, stop murdering people. 250 00:14:19,040 --> 00:14:21,720 Speaker 3: Yeah, well, thanks for the question. It's a really important one. 251 00:14:23,160 --> 00:14:26,040 Speaker 3: I think you know I as you know, you know 252 00:14:26,120 --> 00:14:28,520 Speaker 3: this about me. I grew up evangelical. I went to 253 00:14:29,400 --> 00:14:33,360 Speaker 3: a Christian school in Missouri. Undergrad, I went to Harvard 254 00:14:33,400 --> 00:14:41,520 Speaker 3: for grad school. I very much appreciate the religious community 255 00:14:41,560 --> 00:14:46,280 Speaker 3: and their commitment on these issues. When we decided in 256 00:14:46,280 --> 00:14:50,720 Speaker 3: the Trump administration to put together this decriminalization campaign, we 257 00:14:50,760 --> 00:14:55,560 Speaker 3: decided just to focus on decriminalizing homosexuality in the sixty 258 00:14:55,640 --> 00:14:59,720 Speaker 3: nine countries that criminalize it. Nine countries will kill you 259 00:14:59,760 --> 00:15:02,840 Speaker 3: for being gay, but sixty nine make it a crime 260 00:15:02,880 --> 00:15:06,760 Speaker 3: and can put you in prison. So what we decided 261 00:15:06,800 --> 00:15:10,440 Speaker 3: to do is not do rainbow flags or push gay 262 00:15:10,520 --> 00:15:13,480 Speaker 3: marriage or anything. We were going to just simply say, 263 00:15:13,520 --> 00:15:16,840 Speaker 3: let's take the first step of making sure that it's 264 00:15:16,880 --> 00:15:19,960 Speaker 3: not a crime to be gay. And when we did that, 265 00:15:20,080 --> 00:15:23,520 Speaker 3: we had a large chunk of the religious community say, 266 00:15:23,560 --> 00:15:25,800 Speaker 3: you know what, we can get behind that that shouldn't 267 00:15:25,840 --> 00:15:28,920 Speaker 3: be a crime. We could talk about jurisdiction of the 268 00:15:29,000 --> 00:15:31,720 Speaker 3: church for that, but it shouldn't be the jurisdiction of 269 00:15:32,280 --> 00:15:36,239 Speaker 3: the state. And so we had a lot of religious 270 00:15:36,560 --> 00:15:41,120 Speaker 3: groups join us. I briefed Mike Pence, and Pence was 271 00:15:41,160 --> 00:15:46,160 Speaker 3: supportive of this particular decriminalization campaign. What I tried to 272 00:15:46,240 --> 00:15:48,840 Speaker 3: do is to get all of us working in the 273 00:15:48,840 --> 00:15:53,200 Speaker 3: same direction on that first step, and it really did 274 00:15:53,720 --> 00:15:56,440 Speaker 3: make a difference. We made We started to make a 275 00:15:56,480 --> 00:16:01,360 Speaker 3: big deal, big moves out of it, adding it as 276 00:16:01,440 --> 00:16:04,720 Speaker 3: criteria when we were deciding whether or not we were 277 00:16:04,720 --> 00:16:09,360 Speaker 3: going to fund a country with foreign aid. President Trump 278 00:16:09,520 --> 00:16:13,920 Speaker 3: was very keen on understanding and learning how do they 279 00:16:13,960 --> 00:16:17,240 Speaker 3: deal with gays and lesbians? Do they make it a crime? 280 00:16:17,880 --> 00:16:21,280 Speaker 3: And that way, that pressure of just saying you know, 281 00:16:21,320 --> 00:16:23,800 Speaker 3: we're not going to fund programs that we don't believe 282 00:16:24,880 --> 00:16:29,840 Speaker 3: really became something that other countries noticed and were beginning 283 00:16:29,880 --> 00:16:32,840 Speaker 3: to make changes for I'm always hesitant to talk about 284 00:16:32,840 --> 00:16:36,040 Speaker 3: those countries because then the media jumps and goes and 285 00:16:36,120 --> 00:16:38,320 Speaker 3: creates more problem within those countries. 286 00:16:38,720 --> 00:16:41,720 Speaker 2: But let me just say this is that the critics. 287 00:16:41,440 --> 00:16:45,880 Speaker 3: Of what we were doing, the far gay left, some 288 00:16:45,960 --> 00:16:49,280 Speaker 3: of them have been hired by the Biden administration. Some 289 00:16:49,360 --> 00:16:53,240 Speaker 3: of them work as the point people inside the State Department, 290 00:16:53,760 --> 00:16:56,840 Speaker 3: and they are failing. They are not focused. They're not 291 00:16:56,880 --> 00:17:00,960 Speaker 3: focused on d KRIM, They're focused on flags and gay 292 00:17:01,000 --> 00:17:05,199 Speaker 3: marriage in other countries. It's not working. They are not 293 00:17:05,440 --> 00:17:08,560 Speaker 3: having nearly as much success as we are. They might 294 00:17:08,760 --> 00:17:12,240 Speaker 3: think that they're making progress by pushing some of these 295 00:17:12,280 --> 00:17:16,359 Speaker 3: social issues, but for those people who live in the 296 00:17:16,400 --> 00:17:20,840 Speaker 3: sixty nine countries that being gay as a crime, they 297 00:17:21,920 --> 00:17:27,040 Speaker 3: feel the lack of support and it's stark. And I'll 298 00:17:27,080 --> 00:17:31,880 Speaker 3: finish with this is that we launched this thing called 299 00:17:31,960 --> 00:17:37,560 Speaker 3: Outspoken Middle East, and it's a initiative that's in Farsi, 300 00:17:37,840 --> 00:17:42,440 Speaker 3: Arabic and Pashtun. And what we're doing is just educating 301 00:17:42,480 --> 00:17:47,720 Speaker 3: people on the decriminalization issue, and I think we're the 302 00:17:47,760 --> 00:17:53,720 Speaker 3: only group that's doing this. We're trying not to make 303 00:17:53,880 --> 00:17:57,680 Speaker 3: this partisan. We're trying not to make this anything other 304 00:17:57,800 --> 00:18:00,359 Speaker 3: than talking about the decriminalization issue. 305 00:18:00,359 --> 00:18:01,600 Speaker 2: And we're having great success. 306 00:18:01,960 --> 00:18:03,120 Speaker 1: So you're still working on it. 307 00:18:03,720 --> 00:18:06,280 Speaker 3: We are still working on it, and our Outspoken Middle 308 00:18:06,320 --> 00:18:11,040 Speaker 3: East is a great organization. We have a very small budget. 309 00:18:11,400 --> 00:18:15,240 Speaker 3: We're always looking for money, but we have some really 310 00:18:15,320 --> 00:18:22,159 Speaker 3: brave reporters, secret ones that are in Iran, London and 311 00:18:22,800 --> 00:18:24,040 Speaker 3: in Beirut. 312 00:18:24,200 --> 00:18:28,000 Speaker 2: And so this is this is an initiative that I 313 00:18:28,000 --> 00:18:32,359 Speaker 2: think is proven to be incredibly effective. 314 00:18:32,400 --> 00:18:35,400 Speaker 3: I can tell you just from my social media and 315 00:18:35,480 --> 00:18:38,040 Speaker 3: direct messages and emails and texts that I get from 316 00:18:38,080 --> 00:18:38,920 Speaker 3: people reaching out. 317 00:18:39,640 --> 00:18:41,600 Speaker 2: Uh, it is heartbreaking, Tutor. 318 00:18:41,760 --> 00:18:44,480 Speaker 3: It is to hear the stories of people around the 319 00:18:44,480 --> 00:18:48,560 Speaker 3: world who will be arrested put in jail simply for 320 00:18:48,640 --> 00:18:52,399 Speaker 3: being gay is an outrage to me. And the bigger 321 00:18:52,440 --> 00:18:56,760 Speaker 3: outrage is to see the gay left funding you know, 322 00:18:56,840 --> 00:19:00,359 Speaker 3: black tie events that make this issue part is in 323 00:19:00,480 --> 00:19:03,040 Speaker 3: America and charging a lot of people to wear red 324 00:19:03,119 --> 00:19:05,439 Speaker 3: ribbon and none of that is That's what. 325 00:19:05,520 --> 00:19:07,399 Speaker 1: I was just I was just thinking that as you 326 00:19:07,440 --> 00:19:09,399 Speaker 1: were saying, we have a really small budget. I'm like, 327 00:19:10,119 --> 00:19:13,680 Speaker 1: how can that be because this should be where all 328 00:19:13,720 --> 00:19:16,720 Speaker 1: of the far left folks are saying, Okay, this is 329 00:19:16,720 --> 00:19:19,000 Speaker 1: what we're about, but they're not really about that. 330 00:19:19,440 --> 00:19:23,040 Speaker 3: Now the hypocrisy it gets worse, is because in the 331 00:19:23,080 --> 00:19:27,920 Speaker 3: month of June, when it's you know, Gay Pride month, 332 00:19:28,640 --> 00:19:34,720 Speaker 3: we see you know, Ford and Hewlett Packard and Coca 333 00:19:34,720 --> 00:19:39,960 Speaker 3: Cola and all of these global giant firms that fund 334 00:19:40,160 --> 00:19:43,400 Speaker 3: the Human Rights Campaign, which is a far left democratic 335 00:19:43,520 --> 00:19:48,040 Speaker 3: activist campaign. They're not bipartisan at all. And all of 336 00:19:48,040 --> 00:19:50,800 Speaker 3: the corporations fund these people. But you know what happens 337 00:19:51,040 --> 00:19:56,639 Speaker 3: is all of these corporations change their logo to a 338 00:19:56,800 --> 00:20:02,399 Speaker 3: rainbow logo only in the United States, none really. 339 00:20:02,840 --> 00:20:08,160 Speaker 2: In the Middle East. They're all doing these huge programs 340 00:20:08,200 --> 00:20:09,359 Speaker 2: in America to tell. 341 00:20:09,240 --> 00:20:13,320 Speaker 3: You how great they are on gay rights, but they 342 00:20:13,400 --> 00:20:17,080 Speaker 3: won't even change their logo when their work. 343 00:20:17,119 --> 00:20:21,720 Speaker 1: Dylan Mulbany is not over there in like Egypt, Hawking, 344 00:20:21,840 --> 00:20:22,320 Speaker 1: bud Light. 345 00:20:24,760 --> 00:20:28,119 Speaker 3: I mean, these people are the biggest hypocrits ever. But 346 00:20:28,200 --> 00:20:31,760 Speaker 3: you know what the HRC does their little rankings. They 347 00:20:31,840 --> 00:20:35,520 Speaker 3: rank these corporations. You know, oh, you don't have a 348 00:20:35,600 --> 00:20:38,879 Speaker 3: DEI program or how many trans people work at Coca 349 00:20:38,920 --> 00:20:40,639 Speaker 3: Cola and you get deemed. 350 00:20:40,600 --> 00:20:41,399 Speaker 2: But if you pay me. 351 00:20:41,560 --> 00:20:44,000 Speaker 1: Well, this is where I think government should step in 352 00:20:44,080 --> 00:20:47,480 Speaker 1: and say you can't discriminate against companies like this. You 353 00:20:47,520 --> 00:20:50,600 Speaker 1: can't debank people for this. This is insane. How did 354 00:20:50,640 --> 00:20:51,240 Speaker 1: we get here? 355 00:20:51,920 --> 00:20:52,120 Speaker 2: Well? 356 00:20:52,160 --> 00:20:55,480 Speaker 3: Here here's the thing that I think HRC and all 357 00:20:55,520 --> 00:20:58,320 Speaker 3: of these other lefty groups that are clearly partisan in 358 00:20:58,400 --> 00:21:03,240 Speaker 3: doing this, are tax breaks. So I think that if 359 00:21:03,280 --> 00:21:05,760 Speaker 3: you are going to demonstrate that your partisan like this, 360 00:21:06,800 --> 00:21:09,520 Speaker 3: the I R S should say you don't get the 361 00:21:09,560 --> 00:21:14,239 Speaker 3: tax exempt status. I believe that that's only fair. Uh. 362 00:21:14,440 --> 00:21:19,080 Speaker 3: These companies you know that that do this are fake, 363 00:21:20,280 --> 00:21:22,080 Speaker 3: They're hypocrites. 364 00:21:21,640 --> 00:21:26,800 Speaker 1: Right, I completely agree, I think it. I mean, I 365 00:21:26,840 --> 00:21:30,520 Speaker 1: think it's ruining our country that because it's destabilizing our 366 00:21:30,560 --> 00:21:34,400 Speaker 1: country and it's not having an effects, it's not having 367 00:21:34,400 --> 00:21:36,240 Speaker 1: an effect outside of our contry. I mean, I just 368 00:21:36,280 --> 00:21:38,399 Speaker 1: can't believe what you just said about they don't do 369 00:21:38,440 --> 00:21:42,200 Speaker 1: it anyplace else. What a joke. This is just silliness. 370 00:21:43,080 --> 00:21:43,280 Speaker 2: Yeah. 371 00:21:43,320 --> 00:21:45,840 Speaker 3: Look, if these companies decided to really put their money 372 00:21:45,880 --> 00:21:49,640 Speaker 3: where their mouth was, they could get rid of the 373 00:21:49,680 --> 00:21:53,240 Speaker 3: criminalization of homosexuality pretty fast. Imagine if a whole bunch 374 00:21:53,320 --> 00:21:57,399 Speaker 3: of companies came together and said to Egypt or you 375 00:21:57,440 --> 00:22:04,280 Speaker 3: know wherever, we can't work here unless you take away 376 00:22:04,359 --> 00:22:08,240 Speaker 3: the criminalization of homosexuality. We're not asking you for gay marriage, 377 00:22:08,280 --> 00:22:11,199 Speaker 3: We're not asking you to have a pride parade in 378 00:22:11,240 --> 00:22:13,360 Speaker 3: the middle of Cairo or Ramaala. 379 00:22:13,760 --> 00:22:14,480 Speaker 2: What we are. 380 00:22:14,400 --> 00:22:17,880 Speaker 3: Asking you to do is not have on your books 381 00:22:17,920 --> 00:22:21,280 Speaker 3: a law that says it's a crime to be gay. Now, look, 382 00:22:21,560 --> 00:22:24,399 Speaker 3: there are a whole bunch of more countries where you know, 383 00:22:24,480 --> 00:22:27,760 Speaker 3: people don't feel comfortable, and there's different levels, and the 384 00:22:27,920 --> 00:22:31,040 Speaker 3: activists can go crazy on that. What I'm trying to 385 00:22:31,040 --> 00:22:34,080 Speaker 3: focus on are just the countries that have on their 386 00:22:34,119 --> 00:22:36,720 Speaker 3: books a criminalization of homosexuality. 387 00:22:36,760 --> 00:22:37,520 Speaker 2: I think that's wrong. 388 00:22:38,160 --> 00:22:40,359 Speaker 1: Oh my goodness, I know. And this is these are 389 00:22:40,440 --> 00:22:42,399 Speaker 1: the things we don't even know about. No one talks 390 00:22:42,400 --> 00:22:45,919 Speaker 1: about this, and yet you have the media constantly talking 391 00:22:46,000 --> 00:22:48,399 Speaker 1: about the issue overall, but no one talks about what 392 00:22:48,520 --> 00:22:51,320 Speaker 1: actually happens. And I honestly think that that has led 393 00:22:51,359 --> 00:22:53,600 Speaker 1: to a lot of these college students who are out 394 00:22:53,640 --> 00:22:58,920 Speaker 1: there marching for countries where they would be murdered. It's 395 00:22:58,960 --> 00:23:02,360 Speaker 1: so embarrassing. I mean, honestly, I think it's embarrassing when 396 00:23:02,359 --> 00:23:04,639 Speaker 1: the other countries in the world are looking at us 397 00:23:04,680 --> 00:23:07,440 Speaker 1: and they're like, who's going to tell them? 398 00:23:07,720 --> 00:23:10,120 Speaker 2: You know? And you know what that's happening. 399 00:23:10,280 --> 00:23:13,119 Speaker 3: I talked to world leaders pretty regularly, and I have 400 00:23:13,200 --> 00:23:17,480 Speaker 3: to tell you they're all behind our back saying what 401 00:23:17,560 --> 00:23:20,960 Speaker 3: in the world has happened to America. I mean, some 402 00:23:21,119 --> 00:23:25,040 Speaker 3: socialist leaders that I know have even said, oh gosh, 403 00:23:25,280 --> 00:23:28,840 Speaker 3: I can't say anything publicly, but privately they're just thinking, 404 00:23:29,440 --> 00:23:31,280 Speaker 3: this is a disaster for America. 405 00:23:31,440 --> 00:23:34,119 Speaker 1: Let's take a quick commercial break. We'll continue next on 406 00:23:34,160 --> 00:23:42,280 Speaker 1: the Tutor Dixon Podcast. So what happens in twenty four Look, I. 407 00:23:42,200 --> 00:23:46,280 Speaker 3: Mean, I'm feeling pretty good about people being educated about 408 00:23:46,440 --> 00:23:49,840 Speaker 3: world affairs and the economy and seeing literally seeing the 409 00:23:49,880 --> 00:23:53,639 Speaker 3: difference between Joe Biden's economy and Joe Biden's foreign policy 410 00:23:54,000 --> 00:23:56,960 Speaker 3: and Donald Trump's, and I'm feeling really good about that. 411 00:23:57,040 --> 00:24:00,240 Speaker 3: I think a lot of people see it, are reminded 412 00:24:00,320 --> 00:24:03,120 Speaker 3: of it, are convinced of it now. But we got 413 00:24:03,119 --> 00:24:06,480 Speaker 3: a long way to go. We got, you know, ten months. 414 00:24:08,000 --> 00:24:10,080 Speaker 3: It's going to be a long and bumpy road. The 415 00:24:10,160 --> 00:24:14,520 Speaker 3: other side will do whatever they can through mail in 416 00:24:14,560 --> 00:24:18,320 Speaker 3: ballots and phony voter roles and all of the manipulation 417 00:24:18,480 --> 00:24:19,040 Speaker 3: that they do. 418 00:24:19,960 --> 00:24:21,760 Speaker 2: They will continue to do that. We have to be 419 00:24:21,880 --> 00:24:25,920 Speaker 2: vigilant and we have to be aggressive about playing their 420 00:24:25,960 --> 00:24:29,240 Speaker 2: game just as hard as they're playing it against us. 421 00:24:29,520 --> 00:24:34,160 Speaker 1: Yeah. Absolutely, I mean, I've been watching and it's interesting 422 00:24:34,240 --> 00:24:37,600 Speaker 1: because you have the attacks against Donald Trump, you have 423 00:24:37,760 --> 00:24:42,960 Speaker 1: the attacks against Joe Biden, but ultimately the people here 424 00:24:42,960 --> 00:24:45,960 Speaker 1: in the state of Michigan, for example, they're just trying 425 00:24:45,960 --> 00:24:48,760 Speaker 1: to get through Christmas. I mean, I was just talking 426 00:24:48,760 --> 00:24:50,439 Speaker 1: to a girl this morning and she said to me, 427 00:24:50,880 --> 00:24:54,240 Speaker 1: I cannot believe that we have to have another election already. 428 00:24:54,280 --> 00:24:56,000 Speaker 1: I feel like we just went through this. And she 429 00:24:56,040 --> 00:24:58,800 Speaker 1: said it doesn't seem possible. But when I go to 430 00:24:58,840 --> 00:25:01,120 Speaker 1: the store, I can tell I need a new president. 431 00:25:01,200 --> 00:25:03,880 Speaker 1: And I thought, how interesting, because this is not somebody 432 00:25:03,880 --> 00:25:06,920 Speaker 1: who is politically involved in any way. And I said, 433 00:25:06,920 --> 00:25:08,879 Speaker 1: what do you mean And she said, I used to 434 00:25:08,960 --> 00:25:11,320 Speaker 1: get my kids a toy on Christmas that I knew 435 00:25:11,400 --> 00:25:12,960 Speaker 1: was one of those toys where they would open it 436 00:25:13,000 --> 00:25:14,440 Speaker 1: and play with it for a few days and then 437 00:25:14,520 --> 00:25:17,399 Speaker 1: probably not play with it much after that. And she said, 438 00:25:17,680 --> 00:25:19,960 Speaker 1: no toys this year, because I don't have the money 439 00:25:19,960 --> 00:25:23,280 Speaker 1: to spend. She said, it is so expensive to buy everything, 440 00:25:23,480 --> 00:25:25,639 Speaker 1: and the Biden administration is trying to tell us all 441 00:25:25,680 --> 00:25:28,800 Speaker 1: the economy is getting better. It's getting better. Everybody knows 442 00:25:28,800 --> 00:25:31,639 Speaker 1: how much they're spending. Prices aren't going down, So I 443 00:25:31,640 --> 00:25:34,720 Speaker 1: would imagine that has to be in the minds of 444 00:25:34,760 --> 00:25:36,800 Speaker 1: a lot of voters out there this year. 445 00:25:37,840 --> 00:25:41,639 Speaker 3: I think for sure, you know, gas prices alone, I 446 00:25:41,640 --> 00:25:43,880 Speaker 3: think could win this election because people have to fill 447 00:25:43,960 --> 00:25:46,480 Speaker 3: up their tank and they know that this is a 448 00:25:46,560 --> 00:25:53,159 Speaker 3: direct policy of shutting down as many options that we have, 449 00:25:53,359 --> 00:25:58,400 Speaker 3: getting rid of all of the above energy solutions, creating 450 00:25:58,600 --> 00:26:03,359 Speaker 3: higher taxes for or fossil fuels. Everybody knows this and 451 00:26:03,600 --> 00:26:06,919 Speaker 3: they see it in the pump. So we do have 452 00:26:06,960 --> 00:26:09,639 Speaker 3: a long way to go. But I do think that 453 00:26:10,840 --> 00:26:13,879 Speaker 3: more independents are getting outraged as to what's going on. 454 00:26:14,160 --> 00:26:17,760 Speaker 3: And I know you work on the issue of voter registration, 455 00:26:17,880 --> 00:26:22,520 Speaker 3: but if you just remember like roughly fifty percent of 456 00:26:22,560 --> 00:26:27,359 Speaker 3: societies not even registered to vote, and they don't vote. 457 00:26:28,160 --> 00:26:32,720 Speaker 3: I believe actually that that fifty percent that is not participating, 458 00:26:32,720 --> 00:26:36,240 Speaker 3: that's apathetic, that's sitting on the sidelines. I think that 459 00:26:36,320 --> 00:26:39,760 Speaker 3: we should engage them because they clearly distrust government and 460 00:26:39,800 --> 00:26:43,480 Speaker 3: politicians and are you know, over the whole system, and 461 00:26:43,520 --> 00:26:45,719 Speaker 3: they don't think that their vote matters. But if we 462 00:26:45,840 --> 00:26:49,679 Speaker 3: engage them, if we drag people to be registered and 463 00:26:49,720 --> 00:26:52,240 Speaker 3: then drag them to the polls, I think there's enough 464 00:26:52,280 --> 00:26:55,240 Speaker 3: frustrated people that we just got to turn them out 465 00:26:55,280 --> 00:27:01,680 Speaker 3: to vote and get rid of this crazy progressive left policies, 466 00:27:02,119 --> 00:27:05,080 Speaker 3: you know, things like sanctuary cities, Tutor. I mean, sanctuary 467 00:27:05,080 --> 00:27:09,920 Speaker 3: cities is such a fun, little positive name, but it's 468 00:27:09,960 --> 00:27:13,760 Speaker 3: literally creating a space where you get to ignore immigration 469 00:27:13,960 --> 00:27:18,960 Speaker 3: laws and you don't get prosecuted. Talk about undermining democracy. 470 00:27:18,760 --> 00:27:20,680 Speaker 1: The Derek Adams found out that wasn't fun. 471 00:27:21,320 --> 00:27:25,680 Speaker 3: Yeah exactly. I mean, look, we've got to start hitting them, 472 00:27:25,880 --> 00:27:30,879 Speaker 3: hitting back. And you know, voter ID is ninety percent 473 00:27:30,920 --> 00:27:32,960 Speaker 3: of the public's choice, but yet we don't have it 474 00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:36,160 Speaker 3: because Democrats call us racist if we push for voter ID, 475 00:27:36,320 --> 00:27:37,920 Speaker 3: I mean, all these things, we got to start. 476 00:27:37,760 --> 00:27:38,679 Speaker 2: Fighting back harder. 477 00:27:39,320 --> 00:27:41,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree, Well, I think that's I mean, we 478 00:27:41,560 --> 00:27:43,720 Speaker 1: talk about it all the time. I think there's a 479 00:27:43,800 --> 00:27:46,840 Speaker 1: group effort. There's got to be a bigger effort. But 480 00:27:46,880 --> 00:27:49,520 Speaker 1: then anybody that you know that isn't out there voting. 481 00:27:49,680 --> 00:27:51,480 Speaker 1: Go talk to them, Just go talk to them. But 482 00:27:51,520 --> 00:27:54,320 Speaker 1: you've had a lot of success in California. Okay, before 483 00:27:54,400 --> 00:27:56,520 Speaker 1: I let you go, last thing, I'm going to say, 484 00:27:56,880 --> 00:28:00,040 Speaker 1: are you going to flip more seats in California? 485 00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:05,240 Speaker 2: Yes, we are. I'll say it this way. 486 00:28:05,000 --> 00:28:07,639 Speaker 3: We know that there are a whole bunch of conservatives 487 00:28:07,680 --> 00:28:10,719 Speaker 3: sitting on the sidelines, and we're trying to engage them. 488 00:28:10,720 --> 00:28:12,800 Speaker 3: We get them registered to vote, and when we have 489 00:28:12,960 --> 00:28:16,879 Speaker 3: more people voting, I believe we'll have better policies. 490 00:28:17,680 --> 00:28:21,400 Speaker 1: I think that's what Honestly, people have asked me what 491 00:28:21,520 --> 00:28:25,080 Speaker 1: we think happened between twenty sixteen and twenty twenty, And 492 00:28:25,119 --> 00:28:27,440 Speaker 1: if I look at the state of Michigan, they moved 493 00:28:27,480 --> 00:28:31,520 Speaker 1: in a lot of groups that forced registers right on 494 00:28:31,560 --> 00:28:34,159 Speaker 1: the Democrat side. They got more voters, got more voters, 495 00:28:34,200 --> 00:28:36,840 Speaker 1: got more voters, and we were not doing that. I 496 00:28:36,880 --> 00:28:38,880 Speaker 1: think that some of us came out of twenty sixteen 497 00:28:38,920 --> 00:28:41,920 Speaker 1: it felt like, man, the country's really changed, and we 498 00:28:42,080 --> 00:28:44,400 Speaker 1: are just going to keep riding that wave. And then 499 00:28:44,440 --> 00:28:47,320 Speaker 1: the Democrats went, man, the country's really changed. We got 500 00:28:47,360 --> 00:28:49,240 Speaker 1: to get out there and get more people on our side. 501 00:28:49,280 --> 00:28:51,760 Speaker 1: So they had just as many people who weren't voting, 502 00:28:52,200 --> 00:28:54,880 Speaker 1: but they converted them, and now we need to do 503 00:28:54,960 --> 00:28:55,480 Speaker 1: the same thing. 504 00:28:56,280 --> 00:28:56,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure. 505 00:28:57,120 --> 00:29:01,000 Speaker 3: As you know, I cared deeply about Michigan closely and 506 00:29:01,040 --> 00:29:03,000 Speaker 3: wanting you know, I got a big Senate race there, 507 00:29:04,120 --> 00:29:09,040 Speaker 3: got the Kildee seat. Yeah, that's an open seat. I 508 00:29:09,520 --> 00:29:13,680 Speaker 3: got a friend thinking of running there. So I'm watching 509 00:29:13,680 --> 00:29:15,800 Speaker 3: it pretty closely to see what happens. 510 00:29:16,200 --> 00:29:19,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, we have a lot of things happening in this state, 511 00:29:19,080 --> 00:29:22,680 Speaker 1: and I think that the good thing for Republicans in 512 00:29:22,720 --> 00:29:25,360 Speaker 1: Michigan is the policies that have been passed. The bills 513 00:29:25,400 --> 00:29:27,640 Speaker 1: that have been passed this year by the Whitmer administration 514 00:29:28,080 --> 00:29:32,240 Speaker 1: have been catastrophic for the state. That sounds terrible, but 515 00:29:32,440 --> 00:29:35,600 Speaker 1: it motivates people when they see that energy costs are 516 00:29:35,640 --> 00:29:37,800 Speaker 1: going to go way up, when they see that we're 517 00:29:37,840 --> 00:29:41,280 Speaker 1: being forced into electric vehicles, and when they see that 518 00:29:41,320 --> 00:29:44,000 Speaker 1: we have no jobs. I mean, her administration came out 519 00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:46,960 Speaker 1: and said they don't expect any job growth until twenty 520 00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:50,920 Speaker 1: thirty four years after she's out of office. That's catastrophic, 521 00:29:51,280 --> 00:29:54,239 Speaker 1: but it ultimately is good for Republicans. So we need 522 00:29:54,280 --> 00:29:56,800 Speaker 1: to make sure we let people know it's all about 523 00:29:56,960 --> 00:29:59,800 Speaker 1: educating your friends about what's really going on and pushing 524 00:29:59,840 --> 00:30:02,800 Speaker 1: them to go out there and have their voice heard. 525 00:30:03,400 --> 00:30:06,320 Speaker 2: Absolutely. Thank you for your voice, it's important. 526 00:30:06,920 --> 00:30:08,880 Speaker 1: Well, I'm bessador Rick Ronell. Thank you so much for 527 00:30:08,920 --> 00:30:12,120 Speaker 1: coming on today. 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