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Speaker 1: Rob Phillips, heck My Harrison, Danny Serek, and Kyle Yeoman's
Speaker 1: it's a whole new edition of Talking Cowboys from our
Speaker 1: virtual SWBC Mortgage studios. It's the week after the draft,
Speaker 1: as the twenty twenty NFL Draft is in the rearview mirror.
Speaker 1: We're moving forward toward the twenty twenty summer and potentially
Speaker 1: the season later on. Still a lot of question marks
Speaker 1: in the air, but we're excited about the draft class
Speaker 1: that the Cowboys came out with. Kyle Yeoman's heck Ma Harrison,
Speaker 1: Rob Phillips, Isaiah stand back here for Talking Cowboys. So
Speaker 1: glad you're joining us, and hope you're still saying staying
Speaker 1: safe out there as well. But guys, like I mentioned
Speaker 1: draft in the rearview mirror, and goodness gracious, the Cowboys
Speaker 1: came out with a bit of a hall, and by
Speaker 1: a bit of a hall, I mean an absolute beatdown
Speaker 1: of a Hall snagging seven players, all of which you
Speaker 1: could really argue would be at the top of their board,
Speaker 1: and not only was it up at the top of
Speaker 1: their board, but up at the top of a lot
Speaker 1: of experts boards. And Rob, I know you've been around
Speaker 1: the draft for quite some time now, have you remembered
Speaker 1: a draft at least immediately right after that we were
Speaker 1: as excited about than this one. I think Jerry Jones
Speaker 1: said it best. You know, two thousand and five to
Speaker 1: me was the last time you really wow, this could
Speaker 1: be a game changing type draft. And they've had good
Speaker 1: ones in the past, no question about it. Will McClay
Speaker 1: has done an outstanding job in this scouting department with
Speaker 1: the Joneses. But I thought going into this draft the
Speaker 1: two thousand and five could this could be the first
Speaker 1: one since Z five that was so defensive minded. Now
Speaker 1: they got four defensive players out of seven, so not
Speaker 1: as much, but the value they got back then with
Speaker 1: d ware Spears, Chris Canny, and Jay Ratliffe, Mary and
Speaker 1: Barber were steals on what would have been Day three
Speaker 1: back then, the Cowboys did hit a home run here.
Speaker 1: Based on everything you know about this year's overall draft class,
Speaker 1: and if they're doing it right, then they absolutely hit
Speaker 1: a home run because of the value that they think
Speaker 1: they got. I mean, like you said, Kyle, it was
Speaker 1: just pick after pick after pick where they felt like
Speaker 1: they got tremendous value. And the other thing that stands
Speaker 1: out to me is all seven picks, I think have
Speaker 1: an opportunity to have clear defined roles that they can
Speaker 1: go earn and on a team that's got a lot
Speaker 1: of talent. That's impressive to me. And that's the thing
Speaker 1: with a draft is normally, whenever you get into Day three,
Speaker 1: you're you're looking to add depth, but you're also just
Speaker 1: looking for players that are going to make the roster.
Speaker 1: And out of the four of us on the show,
Speaker 1: only one players made and or one of us is
Speaker 1: made an NFL roster. That's Isaiah standback. But do you
Speaker 1: agree with Rob and the fact that that there's all
Speaker 1: seven of these guys on the list not only have
Speaker 1: a chance to make a roster, but have a chance
Speaker 1: to have a role in doing so as well. Absolutely,
Speaker 1: I think that all these guys are gonna be able
Speaker 1: to contribute immediately. And you know, as as Rob said,
Speaker 1: you know these they stole. You know, if We're on
Speaker 1: a playground right now. This is what this is equivalent
Speaker 1: to baby bounces. You know what I'm saying. You get
Speaker 1: to take this thing. You put this thing on the
Speaker 1: second deck. Uh. You know, those guys absolutely killed it
Speaker 1: this past weekend. You know, I think we touch on
Speaker 1: it last week. You know, we all felt that McCarthy
Speaker 1: had did his homework. You know, him and his crew
Speaker 1: did his homework. And you add that with Will and
Speaker 1: the rest of the crew and this is an absolute
Speaker 1: home round. I'm proud of these guys. I'm excited for
Speaker 1: all these young guys to be able to get in there.
Speaker 1: And you know, none of them have pressure. That's the
Speaker 1: That's the other thing about this, right You guys were
Speaker 1: awesome paced right. The management took care of business. But
Speaker 1: these guys get to come in and play free. So
Speaker 1: you're going to have that separation between college to the
Speaker 1: pro at transition, but they don't have to do it
Speaker 1: with the pressure of having to be the guy. They
Speaker 1: have guys that are established, they are already, they have
Speaker 1: a support system, they have great coaching. They get to
Speaker 1: come out here and just be free and you're going
Speaker 1: to see a lot more resemblance to what they did
Speaker 1: in college than which you typically would on this transition.
Speaker 1: And I feel like that's kind of one of those
Speaker 1: big plus sides to what the Cowboys did in free
Speaker 1: agency to kind of set themselves up for success whenever
Speaker 1: it came to drafting the best player available, whenever you
Speaker 1: needed to, you added depth of the defensive line, you
Speaker 1: added depth in the secondary. So that way, whenever draft
Speaker 1: day came around, they weren't necessarily pulled in both directions
Speaker 1: because they had an opportunity to go with need with
Speaker 1: Klavan Chason at seventeen, and instead they went with best
Speaker 1: player available and see the l But heck by, I know,
Speaker 1: the cohesion in the unit between Will McClay, the scouting department,
Speaker 1: and then you add both the coaching staff and also
Speaker 1: the front office, all three of those together, it was
Speaker 1: really in one unison voice whenever Draft Day came around Thursday,
Speaker 1: and it continued throughout the weekend. Yeah, these are the
Speaker 1: kind of drafts that the Cowboys can have year after
Speaker 1: year that it's going to build a championship foundation. I mean,
Speaker 1: what else can you say about Will McClay. I mean,
Speaker 1: his ears have been buzzing all week with all the
Speaker 1: good things that people have been saying about him Cowboy Nation,
Speaker 1: because again he put together one of the more solid
Speaker 1: draft picks that we've had in a while. And like you,
Speaker 1: like Rob stated, I mean since oh five, where you
Speaker 1: go positioned by position and you can say, hey, this
Speaker 1: guy can make a contribution to this team immediately, and
Speaker 1: going into the draft, we knew exactly what we needed.
Speaker 1: We knew we needed an edge, we knew we needed
Speaker 1: a cornerback. And once it got to sixteen and you
Speaker 1: hit seventeen and you realize is the decision that had
Speaker 1: to be made between Ceedee Lamb and the man child
Speaker 1: Kay Levan Chase On. I just believe that it was.
Speaker 1: That was an easy one, and Rob has shoved it
Speaker 1: down my throat best player available. So I understood. I
Speaker 1: understood at that point that, look, I knew exactly what
Speaker 1: we're gonna do because Ceedee Lamb is man. I can't
Speaker 1: wait to go into talking about this guy. I'm not
Speaker 1: shoot all my bullets right now, but I'm telling you
Speaker 1: I'm excited about what we did on traff It's been
Speaker 1: so hard to wait until today to talk to you guys. Bpa, Babypa,
Speaker 1: Thank goodness. Rob Phillips is the voice of reason on it. Yah,
Speaker 1: we God knows where we needed. Now let's go pick
Speaker 1: my pick. I know you're excited and you're chopping at
Speaker 1: the bit, so I'll go right back to you hack
Speaker 1: my here in just a minute. But let's start with
Speaker 1: Ceedee Lamb, first round pick seventeen. The ultimate goal was
Speaker 1: to pick the best player available. You really wanted Calevan
Speaker 1: Chase on the fall. That was the player you had
Speaker 1: your eye on. Yes, that was exactly who you wanted
Speaker 1: to fall to you. However, then you have Ceedee Lamb,
Speaker 1: who's by far the best receiver in the draft, or
Speaker 1: at least you could harold as the best receiver in
Speaker 1: the draft. Henry Robs, Jerry Judy went prior to Cede Lamb.
Speaker 1: But that was something that I don't think anybody expected really,
Speaker 1: other than the teams that might have drafted them. So
Speaker 1: the fact that Ceedee Lamb falls, he was the number
Speaker 1: six player on the Cowboys board. He was number six
Speaker 1: on my board as well, just so happened to be
Speaker 1: that way. But moving on, you you're getting these picks,
Speaker 1: you're falling down the line, and all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: he's sitting there in your lap. At seventeen, they make
Speaker 1: this election and they add a wide receiver to this
Speaker 1: already stacked wide receiving corps with Amari Cooper, with Michael Gallup. Isaiah,
Speaker 1: you kind of went into this a moment ago talking
Speaker 1: about how there's not a ton of pressure on these
Speaker 1: guys because especially on Cede Lamb because of the fact
Speaker 1: that they have some guys around him. But what's the
Speaker 1: transition going to be like for a professional receiver Cede
Speaker 1: Lamb going into a situation like this. Yeah, but I
Speaker 1: think he's gonna have a relatively smooth transition. I think
Speaker 1: he is going to have to really dive into the play,
Speaker 1: but really dive into film studies. Right, I'm not sure
Speaker 1: how much film study he did in college. I know
Speaker 1: he's coming from a great program. But once you make
Speaker 1: that transition, in that jump to the league, your slot receiver,
Speaker 1: those guys are smart. They have to be smart because
Speaker 1: they have to be able to adjust what all the
Speaker 1: different zone blitzes. They have to be able to be
Speaker 1: the hot route. They have to be that safety net
Speaker 1: for your quarterback. So they don't they don't have as
Speaker 1: as lax of a position as the outside receivers do
Speaker 1: because they are that emergency guy next to the tight
Speaker 1: enk A lot of times, if they're bringing pressure, the
Speaker 1: tight end has to sit in there and block right.
Speaker 1: So who's the next option Somebody in there that's gonna
Speaker 1: be shifting against those dropping lineman, dropping linebackers, or those
Speaker 1: safeties that are rolling down. So he's gonna have to
Speaker 1: be able to identify those things when it comes to coverages.
Speaker 1: But if he could pick that up, we already know
Speaker 1: what he can do when he has a ball in
Speaker 1: his hands. That's not going to be an issue at all.
Speaker 1: I think all the Cowboy Nation is super excited about
Speaker 1: seeing him get that rock in his hand with the
Speaker 1: ability to be one on one, right, he's not gonna
Speaker 1: have two people on him all the time. He can't. Right,
Speaker 1: If you put two people on him the outside, you
Speaker 1: guys gonna kill you. If you guys want to sit
Speaker 1: back and play off covers, then we got this dude
Speaker 1: in the backfield who just happens is to know how
Speaker 1: to talk the rock. So there's gonna be a problem
Speaker 1: with Hi when that whole offense gets rolling. But that'd
Speaker 1: be my tip to him. He needs to really get
Speaker 1: in there and watch some film and pick up on
Speaker 1: these crazy defensive coordinator schemes. Heck, well, look, man, I'm
Speaker 1: really excited about ceedee Lamb. Like you said, Man, there's
Speaker 1: no way I thought that we were going to have
Speaker 1: an opportunity to pick him up. I mean it's almost
Speaker 1: like the pretty girl in high school that you know
Speaker 1: you have no chance of dating. You know, someone asks
Speaker 1: you about himself. Oh she's all right, you know, because
Speaker 1: you have no chance. I just I never thought that
Speaker 1: we would get this opportunity. And once he fell to us,
Speaker 1: you realize that as a player, he makes us ten
Speaker 1: times better on offense when he makes us ten times
Speaker 1: better on defense as well. And I explain it this way.
Speaker 1: When you get to those second and dates and you
Speaker 1: can run the ball and get a first down, look,
Speaker 1: that changes the complexity of the game. It changes pace, field, position,
Speaker 1: ball control, all of those things we're gonna be able
Speaker 1: to do with that threat at the X and the slot.
Speaker 1: And if you're in the wide receiver meeting room, no
Speaker 1: one cares. I mean, I'm sure Cooper in Gallup, they
Speaker 1: don't care who's the X, who's the slot. All of
Speaker 1: these guys are going to contribute on offense. But what
Speaker 1: happens now is that defensive coordinators are not able to
Speaker 1: pinpoint one guy that they can stop. That safety in
Speaker 1: the box is over with. If you bring us, will
Speaker 1: burn you down. If you bring this safety in the
Speaker 1: box to try and stop Zeke. And look for every
Speaker 1: defensive coordinator in the league, their number one objective is
Speaker 1: to stop the run. But now Dak Prescott has an
Speaker 1: embarrassment of riches as far as the talent at wide
Speaker 1: receiver and also in the backfield. And I'm just excited
Speaker 1: about what this offense is going to do going forward
Speaker 1: with Ceedee Lamb because the big playability from every position
Speaker 1: is going to be there. You're right, heck, I mean
Speaker 1: you take a linebacker off the field, that's that's like
Speaker 1: a playground for ze I mean, let him, let him
Speaker 1: run wild, let him eat. And I said, they made
Speaker 1: a great point about the importance of the slot receiver.
Speaker 1: Think about what Cole Beasley was for Dak Prescott for
Speaker 1: his first couple of years in the league. And then
Speaker 1: you know, you know, Mike McCarthy would have liked to
Speaker 1: have Randall Cobb back just because of his history, how
Speaker 1: how smart a player he Is. Obviously the price wasn't
Speaker 1: there and he's off to Houston. But but Ceedee Lamb
Speaker 1: could be that that safety blanket eventually for for Dak Prescott.
Speaker 1: The other thing I noticed watching him at ou he's
Speaker 1: a buck ninety five. He's not a big wide receiver,
Speaker 1: but he's a tough wide receiver. The guy can go
Speaker 1: up and make make tough contested catches. Uh, he's a
Speaker 1: he's a dangerous run after the catch guy, but also
Speaker 1: can break tackles. I mean, he plays, he plays above
Speaker 1: his weight class, and he's just a really impressive prospect.
Speaker 1: I said, you know, bpa Is is definitely important. Best
Speaker 1: player available, but there was a need there. And when
Speaker 1: you can you can factor in the fact that you
Speaker 1: know a top six player on your board, that means
Speaker 1: that you think that guy could be a Berneal Pro
Speaker 1: Bowl type guy. They had to do it, and it was.
Speaker 1: It was really a no brainer and good decision by
Speaker 1: this team. Rob. That's absolutely correct. Column mean to interrupt,
Speaker 1: but that's absolutely correct. When you talk about a guy
Speaker 1: with slight build, he's always making the first guy miss.
Speaker 1: But also when you're trying arm tackles, Ceede Lamb, when
Speaker 1: you look at the highlight tape. All he's doing is
Speaker 1: running through those those arm tackles and guys trying to
Speaker 1: game tackle him, he's running away from him. So one
Speaker 1: ninety five he plays like he's two twenty. He was
Speaker 1: second in the country and miss tackles forced, which was
Speaker 1: twenty six miss tackles forced. I feel like half of
Speaker 1: those came in the Texas game at the Red River Rivalry,
Speaker 1: because it seemed like everybody that tried to tackle him
Speaker 1: that day was not having any luck. He was twelfth
Speaker 1: in the country in deep yards, fifth in yards after
Speaker 1: the catch. And he's also a hell of a blocker too.
Speaker 1: There's really no real hole to his game. He's got
Speaker 1: a great catch radius, he's got the speed. Maybe, like
Speaker 1: Rob said, maybe you can knock the size a little bit,
Speaker 1: but you put him in an NFL strength and conditioning program,
Speaker 1: you can bump that up ten or fifteen pounds and
Speaker 1: you're doing just fine. So not totally worried about that.
Speaker 1: I think it was a miraculous pick. Now going back
Speaker 1: to the defensive side of the ball, and they were
Speaker 1: able to address two spots of crucial need in the
Speaker 1: second and in the third round. Treybon Digs out of Alabama,
Speaker 1: taking in the second round fifty first overall, the Neville
Speaker 1: Gallimore the defensive tackle, third round, eighty second overall out
Speaker 1: of Oklahoma. Rob When it comes to Treybon Diggs, what
Speaker 1: kind of rotation are we going to see? What the
Speaker 1: cornerbacks that were already added to the roster. I know, Mare,
Speaker 1: He's Kennedy came in in the offseason, and you have
Speaker 1: guys like Jordan Lewis, Hidobe Aluisier, Anthony Brown. They've got
Speaker 1: some guys in the quarterback spot. But then you go
Speaker 1: out and you add a second round talent that a
Speaker 1: lot of people might have had in the first. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you're right, Kyle. I mean I was a little I
Speaker 1: was very surprised, not a little surprised that he was
Speaker 1: there at fifty one. I think a lot of people
Speaker 1: thought early second round, you know, early thirties, if not
Speaker 1: in the first round, sneaking in the back there. It's great.
Speaker 1: Competitions can speak to this. I'm sure that you can
Speaker 1: never have enough competition at every position, and they've got
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know if we talked enough about
Speaker 1: the Cowboys having some veterans returning I think Anthony Brown
Speaker 1: coming back is big. The guy's basically been a starter
Speaker 1: for this team when he's been healthy. He's played a
Speaker 1: lot of nickel corner and has started some. Jordan Lewis
Speaker 1: takes advantage of his opportunities when he's in there. Cheeto
Speaker 1: is a terrific talent. Mike McCarthy alluded to some of
Speaker 1: the corners being able to play safety. We'll see if
Speaker 1: maybe they try guys at a different spot. But Treymon's
Speaker 1: got a chance to come in and compete right away
Speaker 1: for playing time, if not a starting role. I just
Speaker 1: love the size and the length because you know the
Speaker 1: wide receivers in this league, they get bigger, they get faster,
Speaker 1: they get stronger, and he's got the arm length and
Speaker 1: just everything measurable standpoint to be one of those press
Speaker 1: type corners that we've seen the past Cowboys regime on
Speaker 1: defense really like Chris Richard and apparently Al Harris, the
Speaker 1: new secondary coach. It's that type of corner. Two isah.
Speaker 1: I agree with you. I agree with you, Rob Man.
Speaker 1: I mean, I think one of the things that you
Speaker 1: touched on that I want to emphasize his how linky
Speaker 1: he is right when you're as a professional receiver, the
Speaker 1: last thing you want to go against is a linky cornerback.
Speaker 1: It sucks. I can tell you that right now. I
Speaker 1: faced against you know, Grievous with his dog on grilla alarms.
Speaker 1: I faced Brandon Browner, you know Richard Sherman. These guys
Speaker 1: they disrupt you, right. And when you have a front
Speaker 1: seven like the Cowboys have been able to establish now,
Speaker 1: like I've been mentioning on the show as a lake,
Speaker 1: they don't have to cover that long, right. So if
Speaker 1: I get a linky guy who comes up there, he
Speaker 1: could get his hands on me and disrupt me for
Speaker 1: even half a second. That is all you need because
Speaker 1: now that half a second eats up five yards that
Speaker 1: he would have been down the field. Right. So you
Speaker 1: get these linky guys in there and you get their hands,
Speaker 1: you can stop somebody at the line of scrimmag or
Speaker 1: at least disrupt them. Now all of a sudden, you
Speaker 1: let those front seven dogs go crazy, and you don't
Speaker 1: have to cover for dong, right. And that's one of
Speaker 1: the things that I don't want mean to snitch on
Speaker 1: your sherm, but that's one of the reasons why he's
Speaker 1: been so good for so long. Right, he gets on it,
Speaker 1: he puts his hands on any guess what he gets
Speaker 1: back And by the time that you get into your route,
Speaker 1: you gotta cover sack. How about that? He's taking shots
Speaker 1: of Richard Sherman out there right away? Shots fired. Right.
Speaker 1: But hey, I'll say it to you. Say it like this,
Speaker 1: Isaiah Trey von dix is is phone booth ready, right.
Speaker 1: This guy can play a close proximity. He's such an
Speaker 1: instinctive guy. And watching him, man, and just seeing the
Speaker 1: way that he has that you know, for a dB,
Speaker 1: he has a natural clock in his head where if
Speaker 1: you see a receiver, god plast fifteen yards and you
Speaker 1: don't take that jab staff, he knows you're already going,
Speaker 1: you're going long. He does really good things as far
Speaker 1: as anticipating. But one of the great things that I
Speaker 1: see from him on film is his ability to keep
Speaker 1: that right hand or his inside his outside hand excuse me,
Speaker 1: always tapping on that receiver's risk. I mean, receivers hate
Speaker 1: that because it throws off your running motion. But he's
Speaker 1: always staying in your hip pocket and on those you know,
Speaker 1: those hot routes, he's always taking his outside hip to
Speaker 1: your inside hip and breaking up that slant. So he's
Speaker 1: a kind of he's the kind of dB that can
Speaker 1: make plays for us. And it's a fifty fifty ball
Speaker 1: with Treyvon Diggs once it's in the air out Man,
Speaker 1: he was another guy fifty one that I was really
Speaker 1: shocked that he failed to us because, as Rob was said,
Speaker 1: this guy had a first round grade on him, and
Speaker 1: everybody did not no one, well, no one expected him
Speaker 1: to drop to the second round, and we got it. Man,
Speaker 1: I'm so happy to hap him, but I'm more excited
Speaker 1: to talk about the next guy. Can we talk about
Speaker 1: Nevil Galla more Man. Yeah, we'll talk about Neville and
Speaker 1: I'll start with you. But before that, I do want
Speaker 1: to say, you look at Treyvon Diggs and kind of
Speaker 1: the resume he put up at Alabama. He was the
Speaker 1: highest rated corner in press coverage according to Pro Football
Speaker 1: Focus in twenty nineteen. He's a converted wide receiver and
Speaker 1: he uses that and going off of what Heckmone was
Speaker 1: just saying, keeping that right arm and that hip locked
Speaker 1: in with a receiver, I think that comes from being
Speaker 1: a wide receiver for previously before he converted to being
Speaker 1: a lengthy corner. He might get beat by a step
Speaker 1: or two, but he's never gonna let go of that
Speaker 1: wide receiver and he uses the link to his advantage.
Speaker 1: Plus one underrated part of this draft pick. He returns kicks,
Speaker 1: and he can return kicks, and he has in the
Speaker 1: past something now you can potentially look at if you
Speaker 1: didn't want to throw Ceedee Lamb as your kick returner,
Speaker 1: which I still think would be a ton of fun.
Speaker 1: Now let's go to Newville Galimar. Heck, well, you want
Speaker 1: to talk about your defensive tackle out of Oklahoma, go
Speaker 1: for it. Here, here's your floor. Go for it, oh Man,
Speaker 1: big and nasty. I love it. I mean, when you
Speaker 1: guys were at the Senior Bowl, Kyw you talked about
Speaker 1: Neville Galimore being a guy that was a dog there
Speaker 1: and just seeing his practices and dominating guys. That's exactly
Speaker 1: what we need here in Dallas. We need those big,
Speaker 1: nasty guys up front and you now, I mean it
Speaker 1: pushes everything you guys talked about the competition that's gonna
Speaker 1: happen in two days with Poe Gallimore Woods He'll, I mean,
Speaker 1: this is going to be a very competitive group that
Speaker 1: when you get this those they'll starting eleven. The guys
Speaker 1: that are gonna come behind them, that's gonna that are
Speaker 1: come in, They'll be just as ampth and just as
Speaker 1: motivated to complete the assignment as those guys. I can't
Speaker 1: wait because now what it does is it makes it
Speaker 1: for us at the cornerback position, now at the edge
Speaker 1: rush position. Also with our D lineman, we have guys
Speaker 1: that can spell other guys, so we're always gonna be
Speaker 1: fresh on defense. I'm excited. I'm just Gallimore is a
Speaker 1: guy that I'm really excited about. And the traps on
Speaker 1: this guy, man, it just see I mean, I don't
Speaker 1: know it was he. I mean he had met a shrug,
Speaker 1: he didn't like I don't this guy can win. I
Speaker 1: don't know contests in any city. Man, don't tell you
Speaker 1: you see that? Man? What is up with that? Heck? Man?
Speaker 1: I mean total agrees with you. I can tell you.
Speaker 1: Competition is absolutely everything. And you know, obviously brought us
Speaker 1: some veterans and at that interior D lineman position position.
Speaker 1: But when you have some young some young guns that
Speaker 1: are hungry and they have that crazy drive and that
Speaker 1: Tenay's just that nastiness to this, like like this man
Speaker 1: has it takes though. It elevates everybody's gameplay, right, because
Speaker 1: in this league, it's supposed to be best players, best
Speaker 1: players on the field. Right. So if you have these
Speaker 1: veterans that are in there, and these guys are getting
Speaker 1: paid a lot of money and they're they're comfortable in
Speaker 1: the position, but you got this young dog that wants
Speaker 1: to eat right now, guess what you have to do.
Speaker 1: I gotta get out of the rocking chair and I
Speaker 1: gotta get on this field. I gotta put the fork
Speaker 1: in again. Right. I gotta remember who I was as
Speaker 1: a young buck, because this guy is driving me and
Speaker 1: making me better. And guess what, I'm gonna respect that.
Speaker 1: And by respecting that, now I'm gonna be more optetitious,
Speaker 1: young man, how to get to where I'm at? Right? So,
Speaker 1: I think that this interior D lineman and touching our
Speaker 1: hext point in terms of these guys being able to
Speaker 1: rotate through on some of the better teams that I've
Speaker 1: been on, We've we've had that right when I was
Speaker 1: here in Dallas. You know, you gotta touched on Spears
Speaker 1: and Rat and Hatch and all those guys. Our D
Speaker 1: line was stupid, right, It didn't matter who was in
Speaker 1: the game. You knew that you're gonna have a problem.
Speaker 1: Right when I was in New York and we won
Speaker 1: a Super Bowl, we had a whole plethora of defensive alignment.
Speaker 1: You hated it. Right. As an offensive lineman, you'd never
Speaker 1: get a break, and people forget that, right, D lineman,
Speaker 1: get d lineman, get the substitute. Right, So that's a
Speaker 1: hext point. We're always fresh as an officsive linement. If
Speaker 1: you're on the field for a twelve thirteen play drive,
Speaker 1: you've been on the play for twelve and thirteen plays, right,
Speaker 1: you don't get to come out the game. So guess
Speaker 1: what you're You're every play you're getting worse and worse
Speaker 1: because you get more fatigue, your muscular fatigue. You guys
Speaker 1: are getting you know, a cardiovascular more mortigue, and more fatigue.
Speaker 1: So when you bring in these dogs are they're coming
Speaker 1: in Dade, you're ready to eat who you have a
Speaker 1: problem on your hands. That's what we got. He's absolutely right.
Speaker 1: Isaiah's absolutely right. Competition everything. He's listed at three hundred pounds,
Speaker 1: but man, he looks and plays bigger than that. I mean,
Speaker 1: he's a powerful defensive lineman kind of what they're looking
Speaker 1: for with Poe and McCoy and those guys. I just
Speaker 1: love the value. When the Cowboys got to round two
Speaker 1: on Friday, they had a short list of guys that
Speaker 1: were a top remaining guys and Trayvon Diggs was one
Speaker 1: and Gallimore was one two and to get him, however,
Speaker 1: mini picks later eighty two, eighty second overall pick, that
Speaker 1: is right right there. That's a home run draft. Like,
Speaker 1: that's a home run draft right there when you factor
Speaker 1: in their other two picks and we're going to get
Speaker 1: into what they did after that, but those three right
Speaker 1: there to get that type of value is big, just huge. Well,
Speaker 1: and you also mentioned how he plays bigger than he
Speaker 1: looks or even bigger than what he's listed at and
Speaker 1: then he goes out and he runs a four seven
Speaker 1: nine forty yard dash at the combine and he shows
Speaker 1: off the latter ability on film. I think it's it's perfect.
Speaker 1: It's exactly what Mike Nolan wants to work with. It's
Speaker 1: the kind of versatile lineman that is going to help
Speaker 1: push that forward. And I loved Isaiah's point on the
Speaker 1: competition because one of the first phone calls that Neville
Speaker 1: Gallimore got and received after he had been selected by
Speaker 1: the Cowboys. Gerald McCoy also in Oklahoma, alum but Gerald
Speaker 1: McCoy reached out to him and had a conversation with Gallimore, saying, Hey,
Speaker 1: let's get to work. Let's do some damage with that
Speaker 1: defensive line. And I like that a lot. Now something
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Speaker 1: based on GWS one score September twenty nineteen to Talk
Speaker 1: in Cowboys back here on Talking Cowboys segment number two
Speaker 1: here on this Tuesday, and before we get into the
Speaker 1: rest of the twenty twenty NFL Draft one it reminds
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Speaker 1: the only one reviewing those, Kyle, not that I know of.
Speaker 1: I don't think any of that. I'm just saying we may.
Speaker 1: I don't know that has not been discussed by any
Speaker 1: by any means at the moment. Now we got some
Speaker 1: draft picks to continue talking about here. We talked through
Speaker 1: days one and two, but Day three was another great day.
Speaker 1: Like rob Men in the last segment, it seemed like
Speaker 1: it was a home run from the get go. First
Speaker 1: three picks right off the bat. They didn't really matter
Speaker 1: what they did the rest of the draft. It would
Speaker 1: have been a home run anyways because of the value
Speaker 1: that they were able to select those guys at. Instead,
Speaker 1: they come out Day three and do much of the
Speaker 1: same as they did Days one and two. Reggie Robinson
Speaker 1: the second a Cleburne product, cornerback out a toll so
Speaker 1: Tyler Bottish the final pick of the fourth round. After
Speaker 1: the Cowboys traded with the Philadelphia Eagles, they traded next
Speaker 1: year's fifth round pick and then their fifth round pick
Speaker 1: this year to go up and get the center from Wisconsin.
Speaker 1: Tyler Bottish, Bradley and I the defensive end out of
Speaker 1: Utah folds all the way down to the fifth round.
Speaker 1: A lot of people had him in the third, including
Speaker 1: Dane Brugler and much of the guys on the Draft show.
Speaker 1: As Bradley and I falls to the fifth, they select
Speaker 1: him the edge who was the defensive MVP at the
Speaker 1: Senior Bowl. And then Ben Danucci quarterback from James Madison.
Speaker 1: He started off at Pittsburgh, went to James Madison and
Speaker 1: actually played his last collegian game just down the road
Speaker 1: at Toyota Stadium in Frisco where FC Dallas plays, So
Speaker 1: he's got the Frisco Ties. They've seen him up in
Speaker 1: close in person. And then they had a slew of
Speaker 1: undrafted free agents, which we'll talk about here in a minute.
Speaker 1: But guys kind of go through some of these picks
Speaker 1: here and there, and we'll start with you, Rob, which
Speaker 1: one of the four picks kind of stuck out to
Speaker 1: you on Day three as something that could absolutely help
Speaker 1: the Cowboys in twenty twenty, Bradley and I and you
Speaker 1: said it, Kyle into the fifth round with a compensatory
Speaker 1: pick to me's. That shouldn't happen that a guy that's
Speaker 1: a consensus All American pass rusher at such a key
Speaker 1: position falls to you that far. And he told us
Speaker 1: in the conference call afterwards that he thinks it's his
Speaker 1: forty time, which I think was four nine three maybe
Speaker 1: something like that in Indianapolis. That probably dropped him. And
Speaker 1: you guys tell me, I don't I don't know if
Speaker 1: that if that should be indicative of what a guy
Speaker 1: can do at a defensive end in the NFL. I know,
Speaker 1: you know, the first step is huge, fast twitch, all
Speaker 1: those things. But this is a very productive guy at
Speaker 1: Utah from a technique standpoint. He's got bend for a
Speaker 1: right end from what I've seen on tape of him.
Speaker 1: And I just think he's got a chance to be
Speaker 1: the key to the draft in a lot of ways,
Speaker 1: just because of the fact that that the Cowboys didn't
Speaker 1: take an edge rusher early. Now, if this guy can
Speaker 1: develop into a re a contributor or a starter, then
Speaker 1: any argument about taking Ceedee Lamb at seventeen is completely moot.
Speaker 1: If this guy can pan out and be a contributor. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we could not lose in the draft. Man. When Bradley
Speaker 1: and I fell to us, it was like, can they
Speaker 1: get any better? Once we got him? And I mean
Speaker 1: the production is there, rob When you know, when you
Speaker 1: see a guy that's doing it in college. You already
Speaker 1: know that all of those things are transferable. Now. The
Speaker 1: people that look at specs and say, hey, he ran
Speaker 1: a four to nine and all this talk about his
Speaker 1: short little arms, all I see is him sacking people
Speaker 1: and grab it. And he's done that his whole career.
Speaker 1: And so I'm so happy to see that we got him.
Speaker 1: He's gonna make the team by on special teams. He's
Speaker 1: gonna be a contributor there and then again having those
Speaker 1: other guys in that rotation, He's going to be a
Speaker 1: special player for us man because he definitely was specially
Speaker 1: Utah man. Both of you guys. I love you guys,
Speaker 1: because this is the guy that I'm most excited about
Speaker 1: out of anybody I know. We talked about a lot
Speaker 1: of high draft picks. But this dog right here has
Speaker 1: a bolt turn, all right. Boy as a motor boy
Speaker 1: out of V twelve in there, and he doesn't run
Speaker 1: it all all right. He I love everything about him. Yes,
Speaker 1: he ran a four to ninety seven. Yes, it costs
Speaker 1: him a lot of money. He gonna need to get
Speaker 1: a different trainer or something next around. But yes, but
Speaker 1: he gets off the ball a little slope right now,
Speaker 1: that's what I'm seeing on film. Obviously he doesn't have
Speaker 1: that top end speed, but again he's defensive end right,
Speaker 1: because defense in when he does get off the ball,
Speaker 1: his closing speed is ridiculous. Right. If you guys go
Speaker 1: back and turn on YouTube whatever it is you guys
Speaker 1: need to watch to watch film, go back and not
Speaker 1: only number one, watch his motor watching. He doesn't stop
Speaker 1: once the play starts. And I want you guys to
Speaker 1: watch his closing speed once he sees an opportunity that
Speaker 1: he can close in and get a play on the
Speaker 1: quarterback or running back or and making anything happen in
Speaker 1: the backfield. The boy gets from point A to point
Speaker 1: B in no time flat, and that's all that really matter.
Speaker 1: That just happened. Didn't have to pay for it, you know.
Speaker 1: So it's stimulate way he reminds me of Crosby. Sorry
Speaker 1: going off of that though, I mean, you're talking about
Speaker 1: the motor, and you're talking about the production, and you're
Speaker 1: talking about everything that makes Bradley and I good. Yes,
Speaker 1: the forty times low. Yes, the arms are a little
Speaker 1: bit shorter than you want, and teams sometimes are afraid
Speaker 1: of short armed, slower pass rushers. However, he's a tank
Speaker 1: and he's durable or three straight seasons a four hundred
Speaker 1: plus passing or pass rushes rather and he barely came
Speaker 1: off the field. I mean, this is a guy who
Speaker 1: only had four offers coming out of high school, was
Speaker 1: just a three star recruit. And then he goes to
Speaker 1: Utah and Rob already mentioned he's a consensus All American.
Speaker 1: He's been doubted his entire life, and now he's doubted again.
Speaker 1: He falls in your lap in round five. I have
Speaker 1: nothing negative to say about the selection. I thought it
Speaker 1: was perfect. It was exactly what the Cowboys needed. You
Speaker 1: add some of the edge rushing depth, and you still
Speaker 1: have Alden Smith and Randy Gregory that could pop out
Speaker 1: and hopefully get reinstated from the league, and all of
Speaker 1: a sudden, you've got a surplus of right defensive end
Speaker 1: with Tyrone Crawford even thrown in the bank. So you
Speaker 1: have a ton of options with that defensive line. Before
Speaker 1: before you move on, I want everybody notice to the
Speaker 1: to the attitude ship of this defense. Right, I'm coming
Speaker 1: back to them, going back to the last few years. Right,
Speaker 1: look at what they did at the linebacker position. All
Speaker 1: those guys have high motors, right, they all have high motors.
Speaker 1: They all have positive attitudes, and they're all nasty. Right.
Speaker 1: So it's it's starting that that whole, that whole character,
Speaker 1: that the whole character of that of that side of
Speaker 1: the ball is changing a little bit at a time.
Speaker 1: And I think through this draft they solidified it even more. Right,
Speaker 1: look at the guys they even got on the office, right,
Speaker 1: you got you got, you got, you got Traymon over there.
Speaker 1: Now you got Lamb on the on the squad as well.
Speaker 1: All these guys have a little nasty tom and you
Speaker 1: have to have that. And that's what they remember that
Speaker 1: the old cowboys teams that you used to women to
Speaker 1: bring all the rings home, that's what they had, right,
Speaker 1: they had. But they all had a little nasty tour.
Speaker 1: And I'm liking I'm liking the picks. I'm liking the
Speaker 1: free agent acquisitions that they put because of all these
Speaker 1: guys that we mentioned. Just think about how hard they play.
Speaker 1: Think about how hard they play, and think about what
Speaker 1: happens whenever they get either the ball in their hand
Speaker 1: or they have opportunity to goad and make a play
Speaker 1: on somebody at taping them absolutely and kind of going
Speaker 1: back off of that a little bit, Isaiah, you mentioned
Speaker 1: you just want dogs, you want some nastiness in these
Speaker 1: picks that you're you're selecting. Is this something that kind
Speaker 1: of stemmed from Mike McCarthy. I know you we have
Speaker 1: talked on end and end about it leading into the draft.
Speaker 1: What kind of impact is Mike McCarthy gonna have? Do
Speaker 1: you think maybe the front office kind of said, okay,
Speaker 1: scouting department and coaching staff, you guys get together, you
Speaker 1: work this out, and that's where the fluidity came from
Speaker 1: to have a draft as special as they did. Absolutely,
Speaker 1: I think. I mean Mike McCarthy, he had a little
Speaker 1: nasty to him, right, You can tell him he walks, right,
Speaker 1: he got a little nasty to him, right. You know,
Speaker 1: he's a pricking in a sword, right, And that's okay, right,
Speaker 1: that's perfectly fine. Right. But look at the rest of
Speaker 1: the coaches, right. We talked about Al Harris. Al Harris
Speaker 1: was a pest at corner, right, talk about you know
Speaker 1: when we talk about skip, we talk about the strip coaches, right,
Speaker 1: all these guys kind of got a little little, little
Speaker 1: little sum on the shoulder right that they want to
Speaker 1: shreve off. So I think from the top down, I
Speaker 1: think Jerry and Steven and those guys, they were able
Speaker 1: to say, Hey, go out here, do what you want
Speaker 1: to do. And McCarthy was like, oh yeah, let's go
Speaker 1: ahead and build this engine. You got to design. Credit
Speaker 1: to Will McClay as well at the same time, Oh
Speaker 1: yeah we'll kill it. Yeah we're good. But Kyle was
Speaker 1: I was just basically just wanted to make piggyback off
Speaker 1: of what you're saying, that that whole attitude and seeing
Speaker 1: the type of guys that they are drafting. They all
Speaker 1: have that edge, you know, and have that that chip
Speaker 1: on their shoulder. And that's the kid from Tulsa, Robertson
Speaker 1: the third from Cleveland another just dog, a guy that
Speaker 1: is all effort, all heard. Guy, has a high motor,
Speaker 1: very aggressive, and is going to be an immediate contributor
Speaker 1: on special teams. I mean, so you look at the
Speaker 1: Cowboys and where they finished last year as far as
Speaker 1: the way that they ranked on special teams, they were
Speaker 1: at the bottom of the league. You see some of
Speaker 1: these draft picks being able to do more than one things.
Speaker 1: They are dual players, Like you talk about Dick's being
Speaker 1: able to be a punt returner. You talk about Robinson
Speaker 1: the third being a gunner all of these games even
Speaker 1: to nine, being able to contribute on kickoff return, kickoff,
Speaker 1: things like that. All of these guys are gonna come
Speaker 1: in immediately with a role that can impact wins and losses.
Speaker 1: Rob what do you think about the addition and the
Speaker 1: double dip at the corner spot. I love the pick
Speaker 1: of Reggie Robinson because one, if you wanted to build
Speaker 1: a corner, he would be the frame that you would
Speaker 1: build it with. Not only that, but he's also a playmaker.
Speaker 1: Had four interceptions last year. He's a local tie, he's
Speaker 1: got some quickness with a four four forty. But I
Speaker 1: also kind of want to throw in the question of
Speaker 1: you double dipped a corner. What's the plan at safety? Now?
Speaker 1: Oh well, that's always the million dollar question around here.
Speaker 1: What are they gonna do it? What are they gonna
Speaker 1: do at safety? We look quick on Robinson. You mentioned
Speaker 1: this stats last year and it always jumps out to me.
Speaker 1: A guy that just gets better and better in college.
Speaker 1: He was a four year guy. He stood out at
Speaker 1: the Senior Bowl and you mentioned his four picks and
Speaker 1: I think his seventeen pass breakups were among the best
Speaker 1: at the FBS level, so it was a major jump
Speaker 1: in production. And so maybe he's an ascending player. And
Speaker 1: Heckma spoke to his special team's ability at safety, we'll see.
Speaker 1: I mean, I referenced, you know, McCarthy saying in the
Speaker 1: post draft press conference they've got some corners they think
Speaker 1: can maybe shift over there. But I think you know,
Speaker 1: they also maybe they're not done looking in free agency.
Speaker 1: But I think I think they feel good about Hahak
Speaker 1: Clinton Dix, I really do. I know he's on a
Speaker 1: one year deal, but I think his experience playing for
Speaker 1: Mike McCarthy, there's probably more of a comfort level with
Speaker 1: that roster edition than there would be with otters. And
Speaker 1: I think I think he's a guy that is probably
Speaker 1: a little more versatile than we think. And they feel
Speaker 1: pretty good about it, and maybe they just didn't feel
Speaker 1: pressed to have to reach and address it. There. Which
Speaker 1: corners if you were looking at it, rob which corners
Speaker 1: would you think would be more successful at the safety
Speaker 1: position if that switch would be made well. Robinson, I think,
Speaker 1: in particular, is a guy they mentioned that is capable
Speaker 1: of doing it, just because of his size and his
Speaker 1: frame Geo, I think played corner a little bit at Colorado.
Speaker 1: And I'm not saying he's gonna make that switch, because
Speaker 1: I think he's got the talent to be a cover guy,
Speaker 1: a productive cover guy in the NFL at corner. But
Speaker 1: I think you know he's done it, at least at
Speaker 1: the college level. If they were going to look at
Speaker 1: it and have a felt like they had a log
Speaker 1: jam at corner, maybe that's a possibility. And those are
Speaker 1: the two that kind of stood out to me. Let
Speaker 1: me add this, guys, when they talk about moving a
Speaker 1: guy like Cheeto or maybe Robinson too. Safety. The thing
Speaker 1: with safeties in the NFL these days, they're playing close
Speaker 1: to this line of scrim is just like corners, and
Speaker 1: so especially when you go to those you know, four
Speaker 1: and five receiver were set. So to say that a
Speaker 1: guy is gonna move to the safety position really is
Speaker 1: the same much because it's not safety in the general
Speaker 1: terms of what you're thinking surveying the middle of the field. Safety, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't I don't think that. I think Cheto is
Speaker 1: gonna be the guy that has to make the move.
Speaker 1: If anybody, I don't think they're gonna ask any of
Speaker 1: these two rookies to come in and change their position. Right.
Speaker 1: It's enough coming to the to the NFL and trying
Speaker 1: to trying to pick up speed that way. So I
Speaker 1: think she would be the one that has to make
Speaker 1: the move him with haha. Like I said, the how
Speaker 1: these guys are are manipulating and forming this defense right now.
Speaker 1: They're not going to be asked to come up and
Speaker 1: feel a bunch of gaps. They're not gonna have to
Speaker 1: the gaps or feel by them bigger but the big
Speaker 1: jokers up front right at the point, and you know
Speaker 1: you got Lee Smith and and freaking the Wolf running
Speaker 1: side to side, they're not gonna have to feel a
Speaker 1: lot of gaps. They're gonna allow for those guys to
Speaker 1: sit back. They're gonna let the front seven due to work.
Speaker 1: I think we're gonna see a lot more double two
Speaker 1: high safeties because you're not gonna need to add the pressure.
Speaker 1: The pressure should be already Um and Minister or by
Speaker 1: those guys. So I think, you know, as aggressive as
Speaker 1: as Mike, no one wants to be on defense. I
Speaker 1: think that he's gonna let those guys do it. And
Speaker 1: by adding some of these guys like like well, who
Speaker 1: we have here, uh Gallimore, you know, with his his
Speaker 1: presence to be able to push and that acceleration on
Speaker 1: the interior D linement. They're not going to be allowed
Speaker 1: to switch off as office alignment right when these D
Speaker 1: linemen are running stunts and they're running crosses and tts
Speaker 1: and all these things. These office alignment like to pass
Speaker 1: it off right so that they don't have to move
Speaker 1: it and then they can work together. And they're not
Speaker 1: going to be able to do that when these guys
Speaker 1: are getting this vertical pressure right, and then you're gonna
Speaker 1: have those three dogs behind them that are able to
Speaker 1: feel those gaps too. So I don't think these these
Speaker 1: safeties are going to be asked to do too much,
Speaker 1: but be just that safeties for safety nets for the corners.
Speaker 1: Thank goodness, you finally get some pressure defensively and then
Speaker 1: all of a sudden you're secondaries better. It's funny how
Speaker 1: those things work in cohesion whenever year you have it
Speaker 1: that way. Now, really quickly, before we take our second break,
Speaker 1: the Cowboys did add another quarterback, Ben de Nucci out
Speaker 1: of James Madison University, and I don't think this says
Speaker 1: anything about the dack situation. If that's a reach that
Speaker 1: people want to take, so be it. I don't think
Speaker 1: that's even the remotely the case. I think this says
Speaker 1: a lot about the Cooper Rush situation and exactly what
Speaker 1: they're thinking with the backup quarterback situation. Now there's three
Speaker 1: other names in that backup quarterback conversation with Cooper Rush.
Speaker 1: Now you've got Ben d Nucci and then Clayton Thorson
Speaker 1: at the same time. So what do we think thinking
Speaker 1: overall about the backup quarterback spot and who could potentially
Speaker 1: win that job going into this season. I love the
Speaker 1: guy's name, Ben d Nucci. Man, Yeah, great name name.
Speaker 1: Let's get to let's get TV, let's get T shirts
Speaker 1: Ben d Nucci. Ben. Then I don't know, man, let
Speaker 1: me market this for you, guys, man, because when they
Speaker 1: took him, and that's our crazy. That's how much we
Speaker 1: are craving football when the seventh round pick of your
Speaker 1: team is getting pubbed up because look when they when
Speaker 1: they I've retweeted it in the Nucci come on, baby,
Speaker 1: you know it's it's amazing that we are able to
Speaker 1: still solidify that backup position by getting a guy like
Speaker 1: Ben de Nucci and like you know, out of James
Speaker 1: Madison and a guy that I believe started his career
Speaker 1: at the University of Pittsburgh. And so there are those
Speaker 1: ties between him and Mike McCarthy, another pit guy, and
Speaker 1: so look, I expect for him to be special. Looking
Speaker 1: at his game tape from James Madison, he's a running quarterback.
Speaker 1: He had does have a pretty serviceable arm as well.
Speaker 1: But you know, look, we don't really get a lot
Speaker 1: of opportunity to even look at our backup quarterbacks, you know,
Speaker 1: besides preseason, in just those games. So it would be
Speaker 1: nice to at least have that sense of mind of
Speaker 1: knowing that if anything does go wrong, we have a
Speaker 1: guy that can step in and we don't skip a beat. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think what gives him a chance. When you're a
Speaker 1: backup quarterback, he gotta be you gotta be accurate. And
Speaker 1: I think he was a seventy percent passer at James Madison.
Speaker 1: Make good decisions, he said. Heck, he's he's mobile and
Speaker 1: he can he can buy some time as well. So
Speaker 1: he's got some tools. I mean, seventh round pick. Uh,
Speaker 1: you know, he he was up kind on that edge
Speaker 1: of being a priority free agent or seventh round pick.
Speaker 1: But he's got some traits that you look for in
Speaker 1: a quarterback. And the other thing I would just point
Speaker 1: out is, yes, there could be some competition there now
Speaker 1: with Cooper Rush, but with the new CBA, there are
Speaker 1: fifty five spots now. So Cowboys have been going with,
Speaker 1: you know, two quarterbacks here and there in part because
Speaker 1: they're trying to get you know, maybe an extra offensive lineman,
Speaker 1: maybe an extra defensive lineman. This young guy's got an
Speaker 1: opportunity to maybe make the team as a third quarterback
Speaker 1: if he can show enough in training camp. I think
Speaker 1: that's an interesting aspect in there too. Go for it.
Speaker 1: Isaiah's no like that point. I mean, you know you're
Speaker 1: bringing this CBA into this um. But I think I think,
Speaker 1: you know, de Nucci, I think he's probably the most
Speaker 1: like deck anybody is that you can really compare him
Speaker 1: to it, and in that quarterback group right now, I
Speaker 1: think he's really poised. Watching his film, He's poised. He's
Speaker 1: confident in pocket. He has a little swag to him.
Speaker 1: Uh you know, he, like you said, he is mobile.
Speaker 1: He can buy himself some time. So I like him.
Speaker 1: He's an accurate passer. I think he can work on
Speaker 1: his velocity a little bit more. But aside from that,
Speaker 1: I like the kid and I think that he's gonna
Speaker 1: fit well in that QB room. Uh, you know, I
Speaker 1: think Dad's still learning a lot too. I think Dac
Speaker 1: made huge strides last year worth obviously John Kitton that
Speaker 1: coaching him up, and now he gets the opportunity to
Speaker 1: work underneath this dude named Mike McCarthy, So I think
Speaker 1: he's pretty excited about that. So I think I think
Speaker 1: I think it's a good, good room that they have there.
Speaker 1: We're gonna see exactly how it plays out in the camp.
Speaker 1: You know, it's all about getting those reps, you know,
Speaker 1: early on in campus and when these guys need to
Speaker 1: establish themselves because at that to tell end of camp,
Speaker 1: you get you don't you get the practice squad reps
Speaker 1: at that point. And I think with Ben de Nucci,
Speaker 1: I agree with you and the fact that he's more
Speaker 1: like that Dak than than both Cooper Rush and Clayton Thorson.
Speaker 1: And I also like how he doesn't shy away from contact,
Speaker 1: but he's built enough to do so. He's there's a
Speaker 1: couple of his clips on film where he's going up
Speaker 1: against a secondary either player or a linebacker. I don't
Speaker 1: know what position they were playing originally, whenever the collision
Speaker 1: was made, but he would lower his shoulder and he
Speaker 1: would go right into him, whether it was at the
Speaker 1: goal line and for a first down. Kind of reminded
Speaker 1: me of Dack a little bit. I'm not saying there's
Speaker 1: similar players. I'm not even putting a comp in there,
Speaker 1: but the fact that he's built that way and he's
Speaker 1: not shying away from contact and he's not afraid to
Speaker 1: run at the same time kind of reminded me of
Speaker 1: that and the sense as well. So there's are seven
Speaker 1: selections for the Dallas Cowboys in the twenty twenty NFL Draft.
Speaker 1: Hasn't been a whole lot of negative set about it
Speaker 1: because there's not a whole lot of negative to go to,
Speaker 1: because it's one of the greatest drafts we've remembered since
Speaker 1: Rob said two thousand and five, maybe maybe the best draft.
Speaker 1: But only time will tell whether or not this draft
Speaker 1: was as good as we think it is at the moment. However,
Speaker 1: even with all of the talent that has been added
Speaker 1: throughout the course of the draft, the Cowboys aren't done
Speaker 1: just yet. You gotta get to that fifty five man roster.
Speaker 1: When we come back, we're going to talk about the
Speaker 1: discussion of maybe adding another veteran to that defense, and
Speaker 1: we'll answer some of your Twitter questions when we return
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Speaker 1: here of Talking Cowboys here on this Tuesday morning. Glad
Speaker 1: you're with us, Kyle Yeoman's Rob Phillips, heck Ma Harrison
Speaker 1: and Isaiah stand back and God it remind you about
Speaker 1: this season the sixtieth birthday for our Dallas Cowboys, and
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Speaker 1: coming up. We've got we've got some undrafted free agents
Speaker 1: to talk about here in a couple of seconds, but
Speaker 1: we're gonna answer some Twitter questions, and the first question
Speaker 1: asked what aspect did you guys all appreciate the most
Speaker 1: when it comes to the new virtual draft format, at
Speaker 1: least the one that they went by this year. What
Speaker 1: would you like to keep and what would you like
Speaker 1: to discard from the virtual draft if you have to
Speaker 1: either do it again or maybe even you could take
Speaker 1: something from it and move it along forward. I like
Speaker 1: I like how human everybody was, right. I like the
Speaker 1: fact that you can see everybody in their environment, in
Speaker 1: their element. You see, you know that they're not up
Speaker 1: here and you're down here like their kids were, you know,
Speaker 1: walking up with them and hugging them, giving them high fives.
Speaker 1: You can see the pattern, right, You guys get to
Speaker 1: see exactly you know so so much of this, And
Speaker 1: in terms of coaches, you're away from your family so much,
Speaker 1: and the family is just as invested as the coaches are, right,
Speaker 1: and the management is so when you guys had everybody
Speaker 1: had an opportunity to see exactly how invested those family
Speaker 1: members were. You can see how excited they were when
Speaker 1: the picks came up. You can see how happy they
Speaker 1: were for their coaches or the main or the managers,
Speaker 1: whoever it was, so I like that aspect. The aspect
Speaker 1: I would like to get away away from and do
Speaker 1: away with is the girlfriends. We can do without the girlfriends.
Speaker 1: They had a rough week, to know that about it.
Speaker 1: There was a rough week and involved with that. God. Yeah,
Speaker 1: well you know what, man, I want to tell you.
Speaker 1: That's what Isaiah said about, you know, just humanizing people
Speaker 1: and seeing you know, the excitement and the joy. Guys
Speaker 1: in the living room with their family kin law man,
Speaker 1: I don't know if that was his uncle or who
Speaker 1: that was, and got on the floor and rolled and
Speaker 1: that's joy. That's joy that you could only get family members.
Speaker 1: I have uncles that would have embarrassed me, but embarrassed
Speaker 1: me like that, and I just enjoyed seeing that. I mean,
Speaker 1: but all of the other things that as far as
Speaker 1: like the coaches, seeing them with their families and seeing
Speaker 1: them have that opportunity in their element to enjoy this
Speaker 1: part with their families, because man, that never happens. These
Speaker 1: guys are in war rooms, isolated and in there for
Speaker 1: days making these picks, and look because we're craving sports
Speaker 1: so much. I mean, even the guys the third round
Speaker 1: picks got shown some love, you know, fourth round, and
Speaker 1: so I thought that was amazing. I don't know if
Speaker 1: it'll continue next year when obviously praying that things return
Speaker 1: to normal with all the sports that will be all
Speaker 1: and I just it showed how valuable the NFL product
Speaker 1: is to all of us, because I don't know about you,
Speaker 1: I was glued into my television all the way through
Speaker 1: to myster irrelevant. Yeah, And I think one thing that
Speaker 1: you got to add to the craziness of it all
Speaker 1: was the fact that they still had a way to
Speaker 1: get fans involved in Now. One other thing I do
Speaker 1: want to add to to Heckma's point before we get
Speaker 1: Rob's answer on this, was that Javon Kinlaw, the man
Speaker 1: who fell onto the floor, that was his father and
Speaker 1: it was his dad, actually it was his god. And
Speaker 1: it was his reaction because he was a lifelong forty
Speaker 1: nine Ers fan and he got drafted by Francisco. So
Speaker 1: it oh, yeah, of it and you have the fandom
Speaker 1: and the families. I thought it was absolutely incredible. Robo.
Speaker 1: I don't know if his dad. I don't think his
Speaker 1: dad would have did that if he was at Radio City, Vegas.
Speaker 1: But it was cool. To see him do that. Man,
Speaker 1: that was awesome. It was you got you guys nailed it.
Speaker 1: I mean I love seeing Roger Goodell on a T shirt. Yes, yes,
Speaker 1: how it slumped over he was though at the end
Speaker 1: of the at the end of day one, I didn't
Speaker 1: see that. I didn't see that. I wasn't I was
Speaker 1: more watching the checking the tracker more than watching the
Speaker 1: actual broadcast. But but you were watching on Dallas Cowboys com.
Speaker 1: It's fine, yes, absolutely, And but yeah, I mean seeing
Speaker 1: a guy making forty million bucks a year hanging out
Speaker 1: in his T shirt and in his man cave announcing picks.
Speaker 1: I mean it was it was almost surreal and it
Speaker 1: was just it was cool. And like Isaiah said, it
Speaker 1: humanized everybody. Um, I would like I mean, I think
Speaker 1: like Heckma said, I want everybody to get back to normal,
Speaker 1: have have the first rounders have an opportunity to walk
Speaker 1: the stage and meet the commissioner and have their moment
Speaker 1: on TV. I think that's I think we all want
Speaker 1: to get get back to that and and try and
Speaker 1: do these virtual press conferences. Not easy too, because I
Speaker 1: tried to ask Jerry. I tried to ask Jerry a
Speaker 1: question in the post draft press conference, and all you
Speaker 1: could hear was my baby screaming, screaming over the airwaves.
Speaker 1: So if we could get back to the normal press
Speaker 1: conferences too one day, that'd be great too. One the
Speaker 1: one thing I think I could do away from throughout
Speaker 1: the course of the draft was whenever they I liked
Speaker 1: how they had the fans involved in the background where
Speaker 1: they had the different video feeds up there on the
Speaker 1: TV screen. I hated the Roger Goodell sitting here and
Speaker 1: trying to pump them up throughout the course of it
Speaker 1: because it was really kind of cheesy and it looked weird.
Speaker 1: It was like, oh, cool, there's fans here, but why
Speaker 1: are you trying to do this? I don't know. It
Speaker 1: wasn't for me, but overall, I thought it was a
Speaker 1: great job by the NFL and a huge shout out
Speaker 1: to all the IT departments that were involved, because there
Speaker 1: was a ton of work that went into it, both
Speaker 1: on the team side and on the league side to
Speaker 1: even get that all taken care of without of a
Speaker 1: hit or without a hitch. Because it went off without
Speaker 1: a hitch, at least at the moment, that's what it
Speaker 1: seems like. And that was impressive in itself. Now, one
Speaker 1: final question before we wrap things up, and this has
Speaker 1: to do or. This comes from Anthony Villanueva on Twitter
Speaker 1: and he says, what are the odds that the Cowboys
Speaker 1: go after a veteran defensive end, whether it be by
Speaker 1: a trade or by free agency before camp? And he says,
Speaker 1: I think that they are a solid vet away from
Speaker 1: being pretty and on defense. What do you guys say,
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't think we have to. I don't
Speaker 1: honest say, I know. I know he's gonna gonna knock
Speaker 1: this on the other part, but I don't think that
Speaker 1: we have to go grab one now. I think we
Speaker 1: got a young gun now that's gonna be able to
Speaker 1: come in and compete. Uh. But I also think that
Speaker 1: we you know that that Jerry and the crew have
Speaker 1: two guys that they have to try to get off
Speaker 1: the suspension latest, right, So I think at that point
Speaker 1: you're rolling the dice, right, you got fifty fifty chance
Speaker 1: that you're gonna have one dog on the field. It's
Speaker 1: kind of like it's kind of like Dennis Roban. He's
Speaker 1: gonna failure every player. They're not gonna call every fat, right,
Speaker 1: So he's gonna have to let somebody play. So you
Speaker 1: might not you might not get both of those guys back,
Speaker 1: but you're gonna get one of those veterans back that
Speaker 1: are absolutely madmen on the on the edge. And then
Speaker 1: you pair that up with what you've done on the
Speaker 1: interior alignment, and I think you're all set. So I
Speaker 1: think that they're gonna roll the dice and hope that
Speaker 1: they get one, if not two, of those guys officers
Speaker 1: I mentioned, and then they got a real problem on
Speaker 1: their hands. Yeah, this is a situation for the Cowboys defense.
Speaker 1: You you know that they're not satisfied yet with the
Speaker 1: personnel that they have, and so they're going to be
Speaker 1: a number of contingency plans in place, because if you
Speaker 1: don't you're not able to get one of those guys
Speaker 1: back from suspension. That's gonna put you in a position
Speaker 1: of where you have to add another piece to that,
Speaker 1: whether it be through free agency here in the next
Speaker 1: couple of months or after training camp, because they're going
Speaker 1: to be a number of guys that are going to
Speaker 1: be cut at that point. But you know, the Cowboys
Speaker 1: have a really good problem on their hands. Whereas just
Speaker 1: three months ago or no two weeks ago. You know,
Speaker 1: we're looking at a defense that was decimated by free agency.
Speaker 1: Now you have some guys that are plug and play guys,
Speaker 1: rookie guys, even those veteran guys with Poe and McCoy.
Speaker 1: So look, you know there's I say to answer that question,
Speaker 1: to answer that fans question, Yeah, we will do that,
Speaker 1: but it's all going to be contingent on guys getting
Speaker 1: reinstated into the league. Yeah, you guys nail it. And typically,
Speaker 1: you know, when they would have in person workouts and practices,
Speaker 1: OTAs and all that, which we don't know this point,
Speaker 1: I would say they usually will say, hey, let's let's
Speaker 1: see what the young guys could do. We've got an eye.
Speaker 1: We like him. I think they signed or have agreed
Speaker 1: to terms with like four edge rushers. So they've got
Speaker 1: some young guys, including a Rondell Carter's a guy that
Speaker 1: they really liked and could have been the pick in
Speaker 1: the seventh round. But yeah, throwing the guys that could
Speaker 1: be reinstated to Smith and Gregory and you know they
Speaker 1: can get back into it. You and Tyrone Crawford gets healthy,
Speaker 1: You've got the makings of a rotation. Now you really
Speaker 1: do it. And just to go off of that, the
Speaker 1: names that they did add, at least on the edge
Speaker 1: in terms of the defensive line, Ladarius Hamilton out of
Speaker 1: North Texas. They got my Texas right behind me on
Speaker 1: my board. So, but Ladarius Hamilton out of North Texas,
Speaker 1: who I really do like. And I know I'm a
Speaker 1: little biased, and I've seen him play probably more than
Speaker 1: any of the other recruits in the country, but I
Speaker 1: do like him. And then Rondelle Carter, like Rod just
Speaker 1: or Rob just mentioned, I think he could add a
Speaker 1: little bit of a rotation there as well. Now to
Speaker 1: go through some of these other list of names, and
Speaker 1: these aren't confirmed yet, nothing official from the Cowboys. This
Speaker 1: is all reported. You've got guys like Luther Kirk, the
Speaker 1: safety out of Illinois State, A zur Kamara linebacker out
Speaker 1: of Kansas who's just got a magnificent story and we'll
Speaker 1: talk about him probably next week. Francis Bernard, a linebacker
Speaker 1: out of Utah who hecked by. I know you've at
Speaker 1: least had some interest in the in the past as well. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I love that guy. He was a running back. He
Speaker 1: came into college as a running back at by You
Speaker 1: ran into some problems there, then transferred a guy that
Speaker 1: is a you know, look, he had another one of
Speaker 1: those Utah high molder guys. He plays, plays the game
Speaker 1: that it plays, the linebacker position the way that it's
Speaker 1: supposed to be played. Free undrafted free agent that fell
Speaker 1: until our lap. Another guy that's going to be a
Speaker 1: special team's contributor. I'm really excited about him. They added
Speaker 1: a trio of wide receivers as well, Stephen Gjury out
Speaker 1: of Mississippi State and Parker, a long, lengthy Rhode Island
Speaker 1: product at receiver, and then Kendrick Rogers from Rob's Texas
Speaker 1: A and m Aggie's what's your quick scouting report on
Speaker 1: Rogers there? Rob big fan of him, big fan of him.
Speaker 1: I mean he almost he almost beat clemsoned by himself
Speaker 1: a couple of years ago. Really really talented guy. I
Speaker 1: would add one more. They did agree to turns with
Speaker 1: a safety. There is a safety in this group. A
Speaker 1: fifth yea Lucia kirk Had of Illinois State. I think
Speaker 1: he was the VP of the East West Shrine Game,
Speaker 1: so he was. He's got some, he's got some talented
Speaker 1: very easily could have been a late round selection and
Speaker 1: they added some depth at the tackle spot. Two Terrans
Speaker 1: steal both of the tailbacks from TCU that were in
Speaker 1: the draft class, Darius Anderson aka Jet Anderson. And then
Speaker 1: you've got Sewo a loan of Lua, the fullback from
Speaker 1: boy Boy You a Badman. Yeah, and then uh tight
Speaker 1: ends they add Charlie Tompeal from Portland State and Sean
Speaker 1: McKeon from Michigan. So that's at least the short list
Speaker 1: of the guys that we have talked to and agreed
Speaker 1: to her terms to, or at least had reports of
Speaker 1: signing with the Cowboys following the NFL Draft. But that
Speaker 1: is going to do it here for talking Cowboys here
Speaker 1: on this Tuesday. We'll be back next week at eleven o'clock.
Speaker 1: Thanks so much for joining us. Stay safe out there,
Speaker 1: continue to socially distant and keep everybody away from everybody,
Speaker 1: just so all of this can end and we can
Speaker 1: get back to football. Because I'm really excited to see
Speaker 1: how this twenty twenty NFL Draft class turns out, and
Speaker 1: I think all the Cowboys fans out there would agree
Speaker 1: as well. So for Rob Phillips, for heck Ma Harrison,
Speaker 1: for Isaiah Standback, I'm Kyle Yeoman saying so long here
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