WEBVTT - Dr. Lucy Jones 0:00:08.520 --> 0:00:15.360 One of the inevitablest private miseries is this multitudinous e 0:00:15.640 --> 0:00:22.640 flux of horritory and psalmondy from the universal foolish human throat, 0:00:24.000 --> 0:00:30.040 drowning for the moment, all reflection whatsoever except the sorrowful 0:00:30.120 --> 0:00:34.760 one that you are fallen in an evil, heavy laden, 0:00:35.400 --> 0:00:42.080 long eared age and must resignedly bear your part in 0:00:42.159 --> 0:00:48.760 the same Thomas Carlyle High Folks, that's are on here, 0:00:49.200 --> 0:00:52.839 your compadre feels like it's been a what a week 0:00:53.159 --> 0:00:55.960 since we got together? And shout the ship and I 0:00:56.000 --> 0:00:58.600 bet you're curious as to what I've been up to. 0:00:59.160 --> 0:01:03.280 I mean, I know you've been thinking about me, especially you, 0:01:03.520 --> 0:01:07.759 mysterious caller. Yep, you the one who has been leaving 0:01:07.800 --> 0:01:11.200 me all those voice messages on my home line. Listen 0:01:11.280 --> 0:01:16.279 to me, you heavy breathing creep. I like you keep calling. 0:01:16.319 --> 0:01:21.080 It's nice Anyway. I do have to announce that since 0:01:21.240 --> 0:01:24.560 last week, I am no longer recording this podcast with 0:01:24.640 --> 0:01:29.320 my former co host Carolina. We've decided it's not going 0:01:29.360 --> 0:01:33.520 to work. The chemistry was just never there. Hey sorry 0:01:36.160 --> 0:01:42.800 dark Hey Carolina, Hey, um hm uh wait were you 0:01:43.360 --> 0:01:47.880 are you guys recording? Did you you didn't wait for me. Um, 0:01:48.080 --> 0:01:52.800 did you? Did you check your phone recently? Your your voicemail? 0:01:54.880 --> 0:01:57.320 Did you leave me a dream voicemail? Again? I stopped 0:01:57.320 --> 0:02:01.080 listening to those. You you stopped listening to my dream 0:02:01.160 --> 0:02:03.600 voicemail really long and I always get them out like 0:02:03.680 --> 0:02:06.480 three am. Whatever. That's besides the point. I just well, 0:02:06.520 --> 0:02:08.919 I left you another voice mail. Okay, let me listen 0:02:09.040 --> 0:02:16.760 a second. What does this say? Hello? Um? Okay, Carolina, 0:02:17.560 --> 0:02:22.680 it's wrong, grab a pin uh. In my dream, I 0:02:22.720 --> 0:02:24.560 was in a cabin in the woods and it was 0:02:24.600 --> 0:02:27.880 made out of moss. I realized that I had a 0:02:27.880 --> 0:02:32.200 friend who was a pregnant minotaur. She need help giving birth, 0:02:32.240 --> 0:02:35.639 so I was her dula and I helped her give 0:02:35.720 --> 0:02:39.359 birth to a little baby minotaur. And then I woke up, 0:02:39.840 --> 0:02:42.959 which is just right now. I just woke up. Um, 0:02:43.080 --> 0:02:45.640 do me a favor. Give me five words on the 0:02:45.680 --> 0:02:50.200 meaning of this dream by five pm today. Thank you. Okay, 0:02:50.240 --> 0:02:52.200 I think that was one of my dream voices. Yeah, 0:02:52.200 --> 0:02:55.200 I think I think so too. Okay. Um oh, I 0:02:55.280 --> 0:02:59.120 just got this one. Yes, hey Carolina, it's raw. Just 0:02:59.200 --> 0:03:04.240 driving into this video. Traffic is terrible. Um, how do 0:03:04.240 --> 0:03:07.800 you like working on the podcast this is our third season. 0:03:07.919 --> 0:03:11.120 I'm pretty cool, pretty crazy stuff. What a ride? Huh? 0:03:11.560 --> 0:03:18.320 Time has gone by? You're fired? Wait? What sill? Wait Serrie, 0:03:19.600 --> 0:03:22.720 it's Ron Burgundy. I'm on my way and I need 0:03:22.760 --> 0:03:27.760 a big gulp waiting serie, execute my command. Okay, you 0:03:27.760 --> 0:03:30.120 can stop. Blame that man, just stop. You can stop it. 0:03:30.440 --> 0:03:38.400 When did you leave that message? Run? Run? No, don't 0:03:38.400 --> 0:03:40.800 get under that desk? Run, get out from under the door. 0:03:40.920 --> 0:03:44.880 I'm just tying. No, you're not. You're covering your ears. 0:03:45.320 --> 0:03:48.280 Do you more a minute? No, get out from under 0:03:48.320 --> 0:03:53.839 the desk. I'm an adult man. I am an adult man. 0:03:54.360 --> 0:03:57.080 Why are you saying that? That's my pump up speech? 0:03:58.800 --> 0:04:00.680 I'm sorry? Why are you fire ring me? Is it 0:04:00.800 --> 0:04:03.840 because you saw me wearing those individual toe shoes? Oh, 0:04:03.960 --> 0:04:07.400 don't remind me of that freak show rock climbing class. 0:04:08.200 --> 0:04:10.200 You know, each of your toes could get a job 0:04:10.240 --> 0:04:13.560 by joining the circus, that's how freaky they look. But 0:04:14.520 --> 0:04:17.080 listen to me, You yourself could have ten jobs. You 0:04:17.120 --> 0:04:22.440 don't need this one because I have ten toes exactly. Look, 0:04:23.160 --> 0:04:25.520 I don't know how to tell you this, but I've 0:04:25.600 --> 0:04:30.280 hired a new correspondent. Who who is it? I think 0:04:30.279 --> 0:04:35.840 it's pronounced Lucci Lucci Jones. That's Lucy Jones. Yes, Oh 0:04:35.880 --> 0:04:39.360 my god, Okay, that's Lucy Jones. Is actually a big deal. Well, 0:04:39.400 --> 0:04:43.159 that's doctor Lucy Jones to you, Missy. Let me ask 0:04:43.200 --> 0:04:46.040 you this, Carolina, where did you get your doctor it? 0:04:46.680 --> 0:04:48.800 You know, I don't have a doctorate, but to be 0:04:48.880 --> 0:04:52.039 completely fair, you don't have one either. That that kind 0:04:52.040 --> 0:04:56.680 of filthy language is exactly why I'm hiring Lucy. Dr Lucy, 0:04:56.880 --> 0:04:59.320 I didn't say anything filthy. You don't have a doctor. 0:04:59.480 --> 0:05:02.080 We'll have to leap that out. Nick, What Carolina just said, 0:05:02.240 --> 0:05:05.440 you don't have a doctor rate degree? I don't remember 0:05:05.480 --> 0:05:08.840 getting one. That's different than not having one. Oh my god. 0:05:09.279 --> 0:05:13.640 Please stay tuned, folks, After all, it is Carolina's last show, 0:05:14.440 --> 0:05:18.800 last public broadcast of her entire life. That's excessive. We'll 0:05:18.800 --> 0:05:22.400 be right back with my new co host, Dr Lucy Jones. 0:05:22.520 --> 0:05:25.960 Lucy Lucy Jones is gonna take me a while to 0:05:26.000 --> 0:05:41.040 get that nail down. Welcome back to the Ron Burgundy Podcast. 0:05:41.160 --> 0:05:47.760 We are joined today by the inimitable world renowned seismologist 0:05:48.120 --> 0:05:50.560 Dr Lucy Jones. Dr Lucy, how would you like to 0:05:50.560 --> 0:05:54.839 be addressed? Um, I'm happy with just Lucy. But when 0:05:54.839 --> 0:05:57.480 you feel the need to remember I know more about earthquakes. 0:05:57.560 --> 0:06:03.560 Dr Jones works too, okay, Oh Dr Joe or Lucy Lucy. Well, 0:06:04.520 --> 0:06:06.560 I'm just gonna go with Lucy. Go for it if 0:06:06.600 --> 0:06:09.000 that's fine. That's fine, Caroline, are you good with it? 0:06:09.080 --> 0:06:13.839 I'm great with Lucy. Um. Let me just start by asking, 0:06:13.920 --> 0:06:17.960 do you remember your first earthquake? Actually I do, Okay. 0:06:18.000 --> 0:06:20.919 I was two years old and we were living in 0:06:21.000 --> 0:06:25.160 Ventura and my earthquake started. We were all in the 0:06:25.160 --> 0:06:28.400 living room and my mother gathered up us kids into 0:06:28.400 --> 0:06:31.600 the hallway and sort of crouched over us, got us 0:06:31.640 --> 0:06:34.440 to cover our heads, and she put her body over 0:06:34.520 --> 0:06:38.200 us to keep us safe. And later where you're like, Mom, 0:06:38.200 --> 0:06:40.960 you didn't need to do that. No, Actually, we were 0:06:41.000 --> 0:06:44.600 all a little bit scary. It was over a magnitude 0:06:44.600 --> 0:06:46.840 five and it was nearby and are The other thing 0:06:46.880 --> 0:06:53.120 I remember is our cats screaming size so seismic Siamese 0:06:53.200 --> 0:06:57.520 cat yowls remind me of earthquakes because they jumped off 0:06:57.560 --> 0:06:59.839 the TV thinking it was the TV that was moving. 0:07:00.240 --> 0:07:02.800 Things kept on moving and they freaked out. They started 0:07:02.800 --> 0:07:04.640 screaming and they would never get on the TV again. 0:07:04.920 --> 0:07:09.200 Did the Siamese cats start screaming before the earthquake, because 0:07:09.240 --> 0:07:13.040 sometimes they say animals can sense when something's about to happen. Okay, 0:07:13.440 --> 0:07:15.480 they didn't that, I remember. I was, of course only 0:07:15.520 --> 0:07:18.480 two years old. The one thing is that the earthquake 0:07:18.560 --> 0:07:22.160 comes in with multiple waves, and the first one is 0:07:22.200 --> 0:07:25.720 often smaller than the second one, So the more sensitive 0:07:25.760 --> 0:07:28.520 animals might feel the first one, and the less sensitive 0:07:28.600 --> 0:07:31.680 humans only feel the second one. So a few seconds 0:07:31.720 --> 0:07:34.520 before the animals sometimes will jump up and and it 0:07:34.520 --> 0:07:36.760 looks like they knew the earthquake was coming. They're just 0:07:36.880 --> 0:07:40.840 feeling the beginning. That that's less sensitive people missed sometimes 0:07:41.000 --> 0:07:45.040 because a lot of people think I'm overly sensitive and 0:07:45.280 --> 0:07:49.160 I have a sensation that an earthquake is about it, 0:07:49.160 --> 0:07:53.440 and I'll just start screaming, earthquake, here it comes. You've 0:07:53.680 --> 0:07:57.320 that's rarely and I've never predicted one, But in that moment, 0:07:57.400 --> 0:08:00.000 I feel like it's happening, and I probably should just 0:08:00.080 --> 0:08:03.400 keep my mouth shut. Probably, Uh, there's a lot of 0:08:03.440 --> 0:08:07.080 people who do think it. We kept a file at 0:08:07.080 --> 0:08:10.840 the U S Geological Survey of predictions that people sent us. 0:08:10.840 --> 0:08:14.000 Okay Um and we refused to act on them, and 0:08:14.200 --> 0:08:15.760 because we said we get a lot of them, we 0:08:15.800 --> 0:08:17.640 would get about one a week. Oh so you have 0:08:17.680 --> 0:08:20.840 like a hotline. We accepted mail and we kept it 0:08:20.880 --> 0:08:23.600 on file. Yep, there were some people who called. There 0:08:23.680 --> 0:08:27.160 was somebody who faxed us each day with an outline 0:08:27.240 --> 0:08:30.000 of the slug trails from her driveway, and she would 0:08:30.000 --> 0:08:32.200 try to predict what earthquakes were going to happen from 0:08:32.240 --> 0:08:35.720 those pictures. Carolina, that sounds like something you would do. 0:08:35.920 --> 0:08:39.880 It wasn't me. No, really, if I promise, Okay, yeah, 0:08:40.600 --> 0:08:45.640 interesting behavior, interesting behavior, Actually the slug trails. I think 0:08:45.679 --> 0:08:49.559 we're back in the nineties, so Caroline would be yeah, 0:08:50.040 --> 0:08:53.760 um oh wait, hold on, I need to take this. 0:08:54.240 --> 0:08:58.920 We're in the middle of a show. Hello, Hi, oh 0:08:59.000 --> 0:09:00.840 do you want me put you on? Speak here? Okay, 0:09:00.840 --> 0:09:04.199 hold on, Carolina, how do I make the speaker phone 0:09:04.200 --> 0:09:09.040 work on? You're serious? We told you? Is this real? Blow? Right? 0:09:09.520 --> 0:09:12.280 Can you hear me? Yes? I I hear you. Find 0:09:12.320 --> 0:09:16.880 Sia the the the international pop singer who was recently 0:09:16.920 --> 0:09:18.760 a guest on the show, who I went on a 0:09:18.880 --> 0:09:23.160 date with you. This is insane see a house Dubai. 0:09:23.320 --> 0:09:26.240 I miss you so much. I miss you too. Do 0:09:26.280 --> 0:09:28.360 you think you can fly out after you've done taping 0:09:28.360 --> 0:09:31.000 the podcast. I'll have David Assistant get your ticket. I 0:09:31.080 --> 0:09:34.079 just missed you so much. I miss you. Do see 0:09:34.120 --> 0:09:37.040 you there, Carolina? Can can we move some things around 0:09:37.040 --> 0:09:39.240 so I can I can go meet Sia and Dubai 0:09:39.360 --> 0:09:41.760 this weekend? She she misses me. Oh, my heart will 0:09:41.760 --> 0:09:44.400 flip out. We really can't see you. Are you really 0:09:44.520 --> 0:09:47.840 dating Ron? I just I need to what's going on? Well? 0:09:48.440 --> 0:09:55.040 I guess the secret is out now? Thanks. I'm oh. 0:09:55.080 --> 0:09:57.480 I didn't mean to invade your privacy. Ron put you 0:09:57.520 --> 0:09:59.720 on speaker phone while we're taping the show, so just 0:09:59.760 --> 0:10:02.480 sort of naturally. I mean, do you want us to 0:10:02.600 --> 0:10:04.720 edit it out? No? No, we don't need to do that, 0:10:04.880 --> 0:10:08.280 do do we, sweetheart? No? I mean it's gonna come 0:10:08.280 --> 0:10:11.000 out anyway. I'd say the truth is Run and I 0:10:11.040 --> 0:10:15.559 have really fallen for each other. Wow, I'm just um, 0:10:15.679 --> 0:10:20.160 this is surprising. Wow. Running Carolina really is a speak 0:10:20.200 --> 0:10:23.080 of a judgmental idea, as you said she was. Oh 0:10:23.120 --> 0:10:26.400 my god, you told cr was a judgmental idiot. Carolina, 0:10:26.600 --> 0:10:32.000 don't be jealous of our blossoming relationship. Okay, geez, see 0:10:32.000 --> 0:10:34.760 a bear. Listen. I will be on the next flight 0:10:34.800 --> 0:10:38.920 to Dubai. I miss you terribly. I don't feel complete 0:10:39.040 --> 0:10:43.520 without you near me. You're so sweet. Don't you think 0:10:43.520 --> 0:10:47.040 this is moving a little fast? Carolina? Jealousy is not 0:10:47.200 --> 0:10:50.439 a good look on you. I'm not jealous. Yeah, you're 0:10:50.480 --> 0:10:53.880 a little jealous, Carolina. We all can see it well, 0:10:53.920 --> 0:10:56.200 and I have a sound check. David desistent, will make 0:10:56.240 --> 0:10:59.640 all the arrangements. Okay, I'll see you soon, running goodbye, 0:10:59.640 --> 0:11:05.200 see a there. Okay, dr Lucy. Let let me ask 0:11:05.200 --> 0:11:07.680 you this. Do you do you think when Rihanna drops 0:11:07.679 --> 0:11:12.560 her next album there'll probably be another earthquake? Uh No, 0:11:12.760 --> 0:11:17.680 I don't think the earth knows what we're She is 0:11:18.480 --> 0:11:23.400 incredibly popular pop singer and uh we have been waiting 0:11:23.440 --> 0:11:26.080 for her next time. I really have I will say. 0:11:26.120 --> 0:11:29.199 I mean there could be vibrations off enough people jumped 0:11:29.280 --> 0:11:34.319 up and down right, But they once recorded the vibrations 0:11:34.400 --> 0:11:39.240 created at the Kingdom at the Seattle Football Stadium with 0:11:39.320 --> 0:11:42.559 a touchdown, and the total energy was equivalent to about 0:11:42.559 --> 0:11:46.520 a magnitude one and a half to two. Pretty impressive 0:11:47.040 --> 0:11:49.839 that a bunch of people could do that. Yes, it's 0:11:49.880 --> 0:11:53.520 so gosh, if I was in Rihanna's camp, I try 0:11:53.559 --> 0:11:56.440 to get a stadium full of people to break that record. 0:11:57.120 --> 0:12:00.400 Album drops and you could hire some seismologist bring out 0:12:00.440 --> 0:12:03.680 the seismic recording. That'd be fun for the seismologists they think. 0:12:03.960 --> 0:12:08.559 Actually it was they used that data to understand how 0:12:08.679 --> 0:12:12.760 waves travel through uh, certain types of soils that were 0:12:12.760 --> 0:12:15.320 there under the under the stadium, so it was actually 0:12:15.400 --> 0:12:19.080 used for scientific paper. I remember, and I'm dating myself, 0:12:19.120 --> 0:12:25.720 when Cisco's album dropped, there was zero seismic activity. Okay, 0:12:25.920 --> 0:12:29.240 that's just a fun fact because we get a lot 0:12:29.280 --> 0:12:34.000 of people writing in about Cisco Bum but um bum bum. 0:12:34.760 --> 0:12:40.080 The thong song, speaking of which you should always have 0:12:40.200 --> 0:12:43.680 a thong by your nightside table in case an earthquake hits. 0:12:43.800 --> 0:12:47.160 Is that would you recommend that? Uh? That hasn't been 0:12:47.160 --> 0:12:52.280 on my list. I underwear some sort of undergarment. We 0:12:52.360 --> 0:12:54.440 had a number of people who ran outside in the 0:12:54.440 --> 0:12:59.720 North through earthquakes without stopping to clothe, so people who 0:12:59.760 --> 0:13:03.800 were very frightened. Personally, I keep a pair of shoes 0:13:04.160 --> 0:13:07.000 tied to the pole of my bed. What's in your 0:13:07.000 --> 0:13:10.480 earthquake bag? Your jump bag? I don't have a jump back. 0:13:10.480 --> 0:13:12.679 You don't have a jump bag because I'm not going 0:13:12.720 --> 0:13:15.880 to predict the earthquake. They really are unpredictable, and that 0:13:15.920 --> 0:13:17.840 means we don't know when it's coming, so it's not 0:13:18.040 --> 0:13:20.680 time you have to evacuate. I make sure that my 0:13:20.800 --> 0:13:23.439 house has been reinforced so I'm not going to have 0:13:23.480 --> 0:13:25.960 to leave it, and then I keep supplies in my house. 0:13:27.080 --> 0:13:33.200 In my bag. I've got charcoal, Habachi grill. I've got 0:13:34.200 --> 0:13:38.040 ten Porterhouse steaks. They're Omaha steaks. They're really good that 0:13:38.080 --> 0:13:42.960 I gotta keep on dry eyes to keep them perpetually frozen. Um. 0:13:42.960 --> 0:13:48.520 I've got Campbell's Chunky soup. Um. Oh, I never pack 0:13:48.559 --> 0:13:53.120 a can opener, though, you have to do that. I've 0:13:53.160 --> 0:13:57.800 got some glow sticks that you'd use it like a rave. Um. 0:13:57.960 --> 0:14:02.280 They could help when there's no elect tricity. Um. Watch 0:14:02.320 --> 0:14:05.719 out about that Habachi grill, though, because there will be aftershocks. 0:14:06.520 --> 0:14:10.880 So we try to recommend light sources and heating sources 0:14:10.920 --> 0:14:15.000 that don't involve open flames so you don't set off fires. Okay, 0:14:15.160 --> 0:14:19.200 let me write that down. I've also got two tickets 0:14:19.240 --> 0:14:21.840 to a Raiders game that I went to just as 0:14:22.280 --> 0:14:26.440 comforting piece of memorabilia. Uh, that's one of the things 0:14:26.480 --> 0:14:30.640 we recommend, especially in schools, is what we call comfort bags. 0:14:31.280 --> 0:14:35.000 And because people do regress to a younger age under 0:14:35.040 --> 0:14:38.280 the stress of the earthquake. Okay, so people actually go 0:14:38.400 --> 0:14:42.720 back to a childlike state. Well, or you'll have children 0:14:42.760 --> 0:14:46.280 who had given up their their stuffed toys go back 0:14:46.320 --> 0:14:48.840 to them. And so like putting an old stuffed toy 0:14:48.880 --> 0:14:51.080 in a place where your child, don't give it away, 0:14:51.240 --> 0:14:53.120 have it ready in case they need it after the earthquake. 0:14:53.120 --> 0:14:56.160 After the quake, we have a book of pictures of 0:14:56.320 --> 0:14:59.400 Ron and happier times whenever he's in a bad move 0:14:59.480 --> 0:15:01.680 that he we asked him to just look for real. 0:15:02.360 --> 0:15:04.920 And that's kind of a piece of information. I didn't 0:15:04.920 --> 0:15:08.360 really want you to talk about, um, but yes, we 0:15:08.440 --> 0:15:11.040 have that, and you'll probably want it after the earth 0:15:11.080 --> 0:15:16.040 quite probably want to peruse it. It sounds like, um, Lucy, 0:15:16.120 --> 0:15:18.880 can you can you tell me about climate change in 0:15:18.920 --> 0:15:23.600 the least scary way possible? Because I don't I don't 0:15:23.600 --> 0:15:27.120 want to be scared. We're nervous, So maybe speak slowly 0:15:28.760 --> 0:15:32.760 and and Carolina, if you could intersperse her answer Lucy's 0:15:32.760 --> 0:15:38.040 answer with some with some of my favorite phrases. Okay, okay, um, 0:15:38.240 --> 0:15:45.720 climate change is real. Cow goes move. Human activity is 0:15:46.360 --> 0:15:52.119 increasing carbon dioxide and that's increasing the heat. And increased 0:15:52.160 --> 0:15:56.680 heat means we're going to have increased storms, cat goes 0:15:56.880 --> 0:16:02.400 meal and uma. In general, we're going to have a 0:16:02.440 --> 0:16:07.040 lot of disruption, so that, um, it's gonna be hard. 0:16:07.160 --> 0:16:09.040 They're going to be a lot of people who will 0:16:09.080 --> 0:16:13.600 have to choose between moving where they've always lived or dying. 0:16:14.640 --> 0:16:16.720 So they're going to move where it goes chip chip 0:16:16.760 --> 0:16:22.280 chip train goes choo chow. And we can change it. 0:16:23.360 --> 0:16:26.720 We can't change it alone. What you do by yourself, 0:16:27.200 --> 0:16:29.640 whether you know, drive a Prius, it's a good thing, 0:16:29.760 --> 0:16:31.840 but it's not going to make a big enough difference. 0:16:32.480 --> 0:16:35.880 But we can do it together. We could decide that 0:16:35.960 --> 0:16:39.960 this mattered to us, and we are going to, uh say, 0:16:40.080 --> 0:16:43.400 vote for people who will actually take action on climate change. 0:16:45.040 --> 0:16:49.120 And what does what does Teddy Bear say? Hi, run, 0:16:51.800 --> 0:16:54.640 thank you, thank you, Lissie, thank you for breaking it down, 0:16:54.640 --> 0:16:57.640 and thank you Carolina. Sure I've got I've got you back. 0:16:57.680 --> 0:17:00.160 I'll just say that's a little more gentle. There's no 0:17:00.280 --> 0:17:02.400 point in worrying about earthquakes if we don't deal with 0:17:02.480 --> 0:17:05.480 climate change, because if we don't deal with it, it 0:17:05.520 --> 0:17:07.560 will be a lot worse than anything an earthquake could do. 0:17:08.000 --> 0:17:12.920 What what can earthquakes teach us about climate change? Or 0:17:13.119 --> 0:17:18.800 they scientifically physically, they're not they're not related. The earthquakes 0:17:18.840 --> 0:17:21.040 happen too far down in the earth and the climate 0:17:21.119 --> 0:17:24.439 change is all happening here in the atmosphere, all right. 0:17:24.760 --> 0:17:28.879 They can't teach us how people socially react to hazards, 0:17:30.000 --> 0:17:34.159 and they show us that people really need to feel 0:17:34.200 --> 0:17:38.440 that something is affecting them personally and happening right now 0:17:38.960 --> 0:17:43.360 to be worth doing something about. So, actually, what's happening 0:17:43.359 --> 0:17:46.840 with climate change, with all the excess extra fires and 0:17:46.880 --> 0:17:51.160 the various disruption we're seeing really obviously now is making 0:17:51.200 --> 0:17:53.840 it easier for people to grapple with the problem, and 0:17:53.880 --> 0:17:57.159 we need concrete examples. It's like knowing there's theoretically going 0:17:57.240 --> 0:18:00.399 to be some earthquake, oh yeah, yeah, right, But seeing 0:18:01.320 --> 0:18:03.960 the hospital that you were born in now so badly 0:18:04.040 --> 0:18:07.200 damaged it's partially collapsed, Now, what's real. We've got to 0:18:07.240 --> 0:18:10.000 do something about it. And the fact that I just 0:18:10.040 --> 0:18:13.280 wet my pants is a good sign that what you're 0:18:13.280 --> 0:18:17.120 saying is having an effect on me. Okay, it happens. 0:18:17.280 --> 0:18:19.879 It happens regardless, so don't even to worry about it. Okay, Okay. 0:18:20.119 --> 0:18:23.639 The l A Times called you the Beyonce of earthquakes. 0:18:25.880 --> 0:18:28.080 It's quite a compliment, I think so. Yeah, I think 0:18:28.119 --> 0:18:33.680 so too. And I've been called the Robert Redford of 0:18:33.680 --> 0:18:37.439 of what just of No one finishes it. It's just 0:18:37.560 --> 0:18:40.600 dot dot dot. And how many times has this happened 0:18:42.720 --> 0:18:48.720 that I know of one? Right now? Yeah, just trying, 0:18:50.480 --> 0:18:53.639 that's mine, Just trying to get into the same category 0:18:54.160 --> 0:18:57.120 that Lucy's in. Yeah, I get it. I wonder if 0:18:57.320 --> 0:19:02.159 Beyonce has ever been called the doctor Lucy Yes of music. 0:19:03.040 --> 0:19:05.000 I saw a tweet to that effect, but I don't 0:19:05.000 --> 0:19:11.160 think it got out very far. Um, what if we 0:19:11.240 --> 0:19:15.440 had behind this door Beyonce herself, wouldn't that be great? 0:19:15.960 --> 0:19:18.840 It would be do we have her? Okay, we didn't 0:19:18.840 --> 0:19:21.200 get her. Sometimes I just say things that I hope 0:19:21.200 --> 0:19:25.440 they're going to happen, and usually they don't. That's the 0:19:25.440 --> 0:19:29.360 way the show happens. Um. You once said that scientific 0:19:29.400 --> 0:19:35.960 culture was driven by toxic masculinity. Was that directed at me? No? 0:19:36.080 --> 0:19:39.200 I don't believe you've ever written a research paper. Oh, yes, 0:19:39.320 --> 0:19:42.800 I have. My office is piled with research papers that 0:19:42.840 --> 0:19:45.760 I've written and have yet to be published. It's a 0:19:45.760 --> 0:19:48.840 lot of drawings of most of them are drawing. It's 0:19:48.880 --> 0:19:55.840 actually about the publishing process where we necessarily ask our 0:19:55.960 --> 0:20:00.520 competitor to criticize our work because we know the easiest 0:20:00.640 --> 0:20:03.679 person to fool as ourselves, and therefore we set up 0:20:03.720 --> 0:20:06.280 this peer review process by which we get the most 0:20:06.280 --> 0:20:10.920 critical people possible. I already don't like it. I would crumble. Well, 0:20:10.960 --> 0:20:13.040 there are people who crumble. There's a bunch of people 0:20:13.040 --> 0:20:15.119 who get their PhD and go. But this isn't the 0:20:15.160 --> 0:20:18.120 sort of human being I want to be. But also 0:20:18.240 --> 0:20:21.359 it doesn't have to be cruel. But some people just 0:20:21.400 --> 0:20:24.080 take it that way. But if you have a research 0:20:24.119 --> 0:20:26.439 paper in the peer review process and then and then 0:20:26.480 --> 0:20:29.000 it's your time to be part of the peer review 0:20:29.000 --> 0:20:32.159 of them. Do you're like, I'm going to nail Dr Tony, 0:20:32.440 --> 0:20:35.239 you know Anderson here because he was so mean to me. Right, 0:20:35.320 --> 0:20:39.040 it's tip for ted. It happens. It's not healthy. It's 0:20:39.080 --> 0:20:41.960 not the good part of science. We have to have 0:20:42.080 --> 0:20:44.800 that peer review criticism, but we don't have to be 0:20:44.920 --> 0:20:49.240 jerks about it, but sometimes we are. But it's really 0:20:49.280 --> 0:20:52.400 important because that's part of the validity of the process. 0:20:52.480 --> 0:20:56.000 It's the honest approach, right, and that's what that's what 0:20:56.080 --> 0:20:58.600 people don't understand about science. They think we can, like 0:20:59.040 --> 0:21:01.399 you know, we're saying that because it gets us funding 0:21:01.480 --> 0:21:06.200 or something. But we've got this whole process to find 0:21:06.200 --> 0:21:08.960 our mistakes. And if you if somebody were able to 0:21:09.000 --> 0:21:12.439 disprove climate change, they do it in a heartbeat, wouldn't 0:21:12.480 --> 0:21:17.360 they'd be so famous. But they're dirty, conniving scientists, their 0:21:17.440 --> 0:21:20.960 money grubbing scientists. That's why they got into it. That's 0:21:20.960 --> 0:21:24.280 why we make so much money. So you can have 0:21:24.320 --> 0:21:31.840 your vacation home. Yeah I wish. No, you don't get 0:21:31.840 --> 0:21:35.520 that sort of money out of science. So Lucy, let 0:21:35.520 --> 0:21:37.200 me just ask you, would you be my co host? 0:21:37.720 --> 0:21:43.360 I'm firing Carolina, um, absolutely not. Let me check that off. 0:21:44.400 --> 0:21:46.760 Maybe I'll come back to you later with and we 0:21:46.800 --> 0:21:49.200 need to still discuss what happened. We need to discuss 0:21:49.240 --> 0:21:53.880 what firing is a little. It seems excessive, it seems random, 0:21:54.000 --> 0:21:59.480 it seems it seems hurtful. I need my notice. I 0:21:59.560 --> 0:22:02.320 was going to give you notice, you or you were 0:22:02.320 --> 0:22:04.920 going to give me notice, how does it happen? I 0:22:05.280 --> 0:22:08.720 just need a I need a second. You can't just 0:22:08.800 --> 0:22:13.080 kick me out of the studio. Okay, let's table this first. Sorry, 0:22:13.119 --> 0:22:17.400 I'm sorry, I'm sorry. We can um, let's do a retraction. 0:22:18.480 --> 0:22:23.560 And yeah, you're really proud of that moment. That was. 0:22:24.040 --> 0:22:29.480 It's one of my finest podcast moments slash journalist moments 0:22:29.520 --> 0:22:31.960 ever that I was able to supply you with the 0:22:32.000 --> 0:22:36.880 word retraction and I appreciated it. Um lucy. What are 0:22:36.960 --> 0:22:43.560 some of the scientific movements that are inspiring you right now? Oh? Um? 0:22:43.600 --> 0:22:46.359 I talked a bit about it earlier, and it's a 0:22:46.560 --> 0:22:52.239 change in attitude among scientists because this whole process of 0:22:52.880 --> 0:22:58.240 figuring out what truth is is so demanding and so meticulous. 0:22:58.320 --> 0:23:01.399 We tend to put all our efforts into with and 0:23:01.640 --> 0:23:06.119 we have said using the science as somebody else's job, right, right? 0:23:06.800 --> 0:23:10.960 But and then because really, I think part because of 0:23:11.000 --> 0:23:13.520 climate change, and we're seeing what happens when the science 0:23:13.720 --> 0:23:18.440 doesn't get used. Whose job is it? Exactly right? We 0:23:18.600 --> 0:23:21.399 give the job to someone who doesn't actually understand what 0:23:21.440 --> 0:23:25.000 we're doing, but whose job it should be. Some of 0:23:25.040 --> 0:23:29.760 the scientists who really understand what the results are, need 0:23:29.840 --> 0:23:34.080 to help translate it, and we are now seeing, especially 0:23:34.119 --> 0:23:38.520 among the younger generation of scientists, people taking on that response. 0:23:38.520 --> 0:23:43.080 We need a counsel of like the super Friends? What 0:23:43.119 --> 0:23:47.960 are super Friends? Wasn't that an animated show? Nick? Do 0:23:48.000 --> 0:23:50.560 you remember? He's shaking his head. Now, it was like 0:23:50.760 --> 0:23:54.200 all the superheroes and they were big counsel like the Avengers. 0:23:56.359 --> 0:23:59.480 Not at all, not at all. It's very similar. Um, 0:24:00.119 --> 0:24:03.120 we need more than just a few people. We need 0:24:03.160 --> 0:24:07.440 the scientific community to say this is part of our job, 0:24:07.600 --> 0:24:11.639 not just determining what's true, but helping other people understand 0:24:11.720 --> 0:24:16.320 what's true. Uh if necessary. But a lot of it 0:24:16.359 --> 0:24:19.040 is through education. It's like you know, you get taught 0:24:19.080 --> 0:24:22.879 something in high school. That's the science that was understood 0:24:23.200 --> 0:24:25.840 when you were in high school. There's been a lot 0:24:25.840 --> 0:24:29.240 of work done in the last thirty years. It has 0:24:29.320 --> 0:24:33.479 evolved the interpretations well, and lots of fundamental facts that 0:24:33.520 --> 0:24:37.159 we now understand differently, and like the Earth is flat. 0:24:38.280 --> 0:24:41.360 We now know the Earth is flat. Actually, no, we 0:24:41.560 --> 0:24:43.960 know that. We still think it's round. We are sure 0:24:43.960 --> 0:24:50.679 it's round, but that's changing. No through song No, oh okay, 0:24:50.800 --> 0:24:53.600 the Earth is round. At the Earth is round, but 0:24:53.680 --> 0:24:57.840 there's some other things like James Harden, you know that 0:24:57.960 --> 0:25:01.320 climate change is real? Right, what's the science that shows 0:25:01.400 --> 0:25:04.679 that that wasn't taught? When a lot of the people 0:25:05.080 --> 0:25:10.080 making decisions in high school and they don't understand, they 0:25:10.080 --> 0:25:12.640 don't get it. So why aren't we doing a better 0:25:12.720 --> 0:25:16.000 job of explaining. Teach an old dog new tricks, but 0:25:16.080 --> 0:25:19.320 we better teach that old dog some new tricks or 0:25:19.359 --> 0:25:23.000 that old dog's going to be Is this a song 0:25:23.680 --> 0:25:27.480 knowing on its own leg right? And and that is 0:25:27.480 --> 0:25:32.720 the song? All right? To help science isn't just for scientists. 0:25:32.720 --> 0:25:35.040 We all need to be able to use this information. 0:25:35.840 --> 0:25:39.600 Back to earthquake kit. I have also a big gulp 0:25:39.720 --> 0:25:43.399 cup from seven eleven in there, and I have a 0:25:43.480 --> 0:25:46.480 lock of my own hair to remind me of me, 0:25:47.720 --> 0:25:50.160 and I have a knife. Are those good things too? 0:25:50.840 --> 0:25:54.040 I guess it's subjective. It's it's subjective, just what you want. 0:25:54.119 --> 0:25:56.560 If whatever is going to remind you of a good 0:25:56.560 --> 0:25:59.000 place and keep you psychologically grounded, it is a good 0:25:59.000 --> 0:26:02.880 thing to do. Uh. Knives are not something that disappear 0:26:02.920 --> 0:26:08.680 because of earthquakes, so okay, so there will electricity disappears 0:26:08.680 --> 0:26:10.840 because if there's an earthquake, there won't be a run 0:26:10.880 --> 0:26:15.879