WEBVTT - Eagles Draft: Eagles Select Jacorey Sheppard & Randall Evans 0:00:22.320 --> 0:00:26.600 Welcome everyone back to then Novercare Complex, its Eagles Draft Central, 0:00:26.840 --> 0:00:30.160 presented by Diets and Watson, and I'm Dave Spidero, your 0:00:30.200 --> 0:00:33.240 Eagles insider and it's been a long long time since 0:00:33.280 --> 0:00:37.559 we had a conversation. I graduated from four years of 0:00:37.720 --> 0:00:40.800 college in this time and played eighteen holes of golf 0:00:40.840 --> 0:00:43.440 since the Eagles were last on the clock, and they're 0:00:43.440 --> 0:00:45.880 about to be on the clock in just a moment 0:00:45.920 --> 0:00:49.839 here with the one hundred ninety first pick selection in 0:00:49.880 --> 0:00:52.720 the sixth round, their first of two picks in round 0:00:52.800 --> 0:00:55.920 number six in this twenty fifteen NFL Draft. But the 0:00:55.960 --> 0:00:57.720 truth is, in the time I went over to the 0:00:58.080 --> 0:01:00.800 Lincoln Financial Field to host an Insider Series event with 0:01:01.240 --> 0:01:04.880 about five hundred season ticket members, had an absolutely fantastic time, 0:01:05.360 --> 0:01:07.480 thanks to all those fans who took time out on 0:01:07.520 --> 0:01:10.240 their Saturday to join us there. And we had a 0:01:10.319 --> 0:01:14.080 chance to introduce Eric Rowe, and it was just a 0:01:14.080 --> 0:01:17.120 tremendous time over there with the Eagles and what we're 0:01:17.120 --> 0:01:21.200 doing and making sure that fan engagement is very high there. 0:01:21.240 --> 0:01:23.560 So let's get you caught up on everything the Eagles 0:01:23.560 --> 0:01:25.600 have done in this draft. Three picks have been made 0:01:25.640 --> 0:01:29.080 so far, you know that the Eagles also dealing their 0:01:29.080 --> 0:01:31.880 fourth round selection to the Detroit Lions for a third 0:01:31.959 --> 0:01:37.440 round pick next year. And since that time we've been waiting. 0:01:38.000 --> 0:01:40.200 Eric Row Jordan Hicks first went to the stadium, said hello, 0:01:40.360 --> 0:01:43.640 everybody met the media, had the press conference, did their interviews, 0:01:44.080 --> 0:01:47.320 their meeting with the various staffers in the building. Now 0:01:48.040 --> 0:01:49.960 and now we are waiting. Chip Kelly had a very 0:01:50.000 --> 0:01:52.800 engaging interview with the NFL Network and now the Eagles 0:01:52.840 --> 0:01:55.800 about to be on the clock. So who might they pick? 0:01:56.400 --> 0:01:58.920 What are they looking for? We've got a couple of 0:01:58.920 --> 0:02:01.360 guys who are anxious to talk about it in the 0:02:01.400 --> 0:02:06.520 fancase Bo Wolf and Greg co Sell. Gentlemen, welcome back 0:02:06.960 --> 0:02:09.239 to the NFL Draft. Oh great to be back. Dave. 0:02:10.000 --> 0:02:13.919 What do you think here? You know, you're looking for measurables. 0:02:14.440 --> 0:02:18.600 You're looking for somebody who can you can develop quickly athletes. 0:02:18.639 --> 0:02:21.320 I mean, what's your thought process? Well, and we've learned 0:02:21.360 --> 0:02:23.480 that you're looking for players who the Eagles have had 0:02:23.520 --> 0:02:26.080 contact with throughout the pre draft process, and there are 0:02:26.080 --> 0:02:28.560 still a few of those players left on the board. 0:02:28.919 --> 0:02:31.440 Along the offensive line, I think that's the position Eagles 0:02:31.480 --> 0:02:34.720 fans will want to talk about. There's Sean Hickey from Syracuse, 0:02:34.960 --> 0:02:38.160 Andy Gallick, more of a center from Boston College. Also 0:02:38.240 --> 0:02:40.880 Lawrence Gibson from Virginia Tech who sort of blew up 0:02:40.880 --> 0:02:43.880 the combine. He would be more of a developmental tackle. Yeah. 0:02:43.880 --> 0:02:46.680 And if they go offensive line, I think those are names. 0:02:46.720 --> 0:02:49.320 Maybe another name, although there's an injury element to him, 0:02:49.320 --> 0:02:52.560 as Rob Chris from North Carolina State, who has athletic 0:02:52.639 --> 0:02:55.760 left tackle traits. If you look at the other side 0:02:55.760 --> 0:02:58.040 of the ball and you're looking for athletes that have 0:02:58.200 --> 0:03:01.160 miserables and traits which the Eagles look forward, you have 0:03:01.160 --> 0:03:05.400 obum gwatch him boom? Is it? Yes? For a wide 0:03:05.480 --> 0:03:08.960 receiver turned defensive lineman from state. Yeah, and I think 0:03:09.000 --> 0:03:11.480 he is a very real possibility here for the Eagles 0:03:11.600 --> 0:03:13.960 with one of these two sixth round picks. Yeah. And 0:03:14.000 --> 0:03:18.200 he's someone who transitioned from playing receiver to playing defensive 0:03:18.280 --> 0:03:22.080 end slash linebacker, and he's very, very athletic and late 0:03:22.120 --> 0:03:24.400 in a draft, that's what you're looking for. You're looking 0:03:24.440 --> 0:03:27.360 for traits that you feel you can work with. And 0:03:27.400 --> 0:03:30.320 then of course in the secondary, Eagles did take Eric Rowe, 0:03:30.320 --> 0:03:33.160 the versatile defensive back from Utah but some corners through 0:03:33.200 --> 0:03:35.880 the Eagles have been linked with Jacorey Shephard from Kansas, 0:03:36.080 --> 0:03:40.920 Darryl Roberts from Marshall, and then at Saint Evans from 0:03:40.960 --> 0:03:43.560 Kansas State. And then at safety you've got Kurtis Drummond 0:03:43.800 --> 0:03:46.200 from Michigan State on the board. To Ron Smith from 0:03:46.240 --> 0:03:48.800 Fresno State, who we expected to be taken earlier. I 0:03:48.840 --> 0:03:50.520 don't think that he's been linked with the Eagles, but 0:03:50.640 --> 0:03:53.120 perhaps there's some kind of injury issue, but maybe he 0:03:53.120 --> 0:03:56.000 would be a possibility here. Yeah, the corners really intrigued 0:03:56.080 --> 0:03:58.000 me as well, because I still think they could look 0:03:58.080 --> 0:04:01.160 in that direction. Darryl rob which was really interesting for 0:04:01.200 --> 0:04:03.760 me to watch on film the Marshall corner. I think 0:04:03.800 --> 0:04:06.720 he's someone that they could have significant interest in as well. 0:04:06.840 --> 0:04:09.120 I certainly think that's the case, Dave. Any other positions 0:04:09.160 --> 0:04:11.280 you think the Eagles might go with. You know, I've 0:04:11.400 --> 0:04:14.520 I've thought long and hard about the outside linebacker position. 0:04:14.600 --> 0:04:17.279 You always want edge rushers. We have to wonder where 0:04:17.279 --> 0:04:21.880 Malcolm Smith is in his development, Marcus Smith his development. 0:04:21.920 --> 0:04:24.920 We have to look at maybe still you know, you 0:04:25.000 --> 0:04:27.640 talked about safety. That's something that I would always wonder. 0:04:27.640 --> 0:04:30.240 I wonder about tight end you do you just pencil 0:04:30.279 --> 0:04:33.560 in with or inkin Trey Burton, although there's been some 0:04:33.600 --> 0:04:37.440 tight ends taken. So I don't have positions. But I 0:04:37.480 --> 0:04:41.200 will say this, I don't discount six round picks. I 0:04:41.200 --> 0:04:43.800 certainly don't discount seventh round picks. Didn't event over at 0:04:43.800 --> 0:04:46.960 the stadium with Jason Kelsey, former sixth round pick Pro 0:04:47.040 --> 0:04:51.960 Bowl center. These are outstanding football players, great athletes, and 0:04:52.400 --> 0:04:54.120 players who have a lot to prove. Players a lot 0:04:54.279 --> 0:04:55.960 in a lot of cases who thought they were going 0:04:56.000 --> 0:04:58.520 to go earlier in the draft. So they come into 0:04:58.560 --> 0:05:01.479 a team with a chip on their shoulder and a 0:05:01.520 --> 0:05:04.000 lot to prove. So it's a it's an area where 0:05:04.040 --> 0:05:07.480 you can really define your draft and turn it from 0:05:07.560 --> 0:05:11.279 something good to something special. Yeah, and because all these 0:05:11.480 --> 0:05:13.880 draft boards are so varied, in the third day, the 0:05:14.240 --> 0:05:16.360 Eagles are gonna be taking players who probably have fourth 0:05:16.440 --> 0:05:19.320 or fifth round grades on their board with these six 0:05:19.880 --> 0:05:22.240 I will tell you this, A name that really jumps 0:05:22.240 --> 0:05:25.120 out at me is Jacory Shepherd. Is somebody who I 0:05:25.160 --> 0:05:27.159 think and that is to pick for the Philadelphia Eagles. 0:05:27.240 --> 0:05:29.200 I told you I mentioned him. Yeah, So he is 0:05:29.200 --> 0:05:31.640 to pick and your your reaction to that. Guys, he 0:05:32.200 --> 0:05:35.080 is a long corner athletic. You can do the press 0:05:35.120 --> 0:05:37.280 man things that he'll be asked to do. I guarantee 0:05:37.440 --> 0:05:40.440 he was higher on their board day because I watched him. 0:05:40.800 --> 0:05:42.680 I was actually given a tip about him by a 0:05:43.279 --> 0:05:45.560 coach and I watched him, oh maybe three or four 0:05:45.600 --> 0:05:48.240 weeks ago. I watched four games, and he has all 0:05:48.279 --> 0:05:50.839 the traits you look for in a press man corner. 0:05:50.920 --> 0:05:55.080 He actually transitioned to corner, I believe, from receiver and 0:05:55.160 --> 0:05:57.480 has only played corner for two years, so he has 0:05:57.520 --> 0:06:01.520 a much higher sealing. He's just matching the surface. The 0:06:01.600 --> 0:06:03.800 only concern you might have with him, and this is 0:06:03.839 --> 0:06:06.120 why he's a later round pick, is he does not 0:06:06.240 --> 0:06:09.520 have great speed, the vertical speed you might look for. 0:06:09.839 --> 0:06:12.560 But as far as those natural traits to play press 0:06:12.600 --> 0:06:16.360 man corner, Jacorey Shephard is that guy. About the physicality, 0:06:17.040 --> 0:06:19.320 I thought he was pretty physical. You know, not a 0:06:19.320 --> 0:06:22.200 lot of college corners necessarily are physical and every snap, 0:06:22.400 --> 0:06:25.640 but he has good size. He did play both a 0:06:25.839 --> 0:06:29.240 physical press man corner and shadow press man corner, so 0:06:29.320 --> 0:06:32.600 he does and he's done it in college at Kansas. 0:06:32.640 --> 0:06:35.440 He's done what the Eagles want their corners to do 0:06:35.960 --> 0:06:38.160 so clearly day of the Eagles making it a priority 0:06:38.200 --> 0:06:42.960 to upgrade the secondary this offseason, signing Byron Maxwell, drafting 0:06:43.040 --> 0:06:47.760 Eric row Now, drafting Jacory Shepherd in the sixth round. Interesting, guys, 0:06:48.160 --> 0:06:52.520 this draft, you know, a wide receiver in the first 0:06:52.600 --> 0:06:56.080 round and then it's been all defense. So when you 0:06:56.120 --> 0:06:59.200 give up seventy two plays of twenty plus yards in 0:06:59.200 --> 0:07:02.560 the passing game, worst in the NFL, and then you 0:07:02.680 --> 0:07:04.880 change out your coaching staff in the secondary, which the 0:07:04.880 --> 0:07:08.320 Eagles did, Corey Unglan and Matthew Harper now the coaches, 0:07:08.680 --> 0:07:13.640 and they've talked about getting those long press covermen. The 0:07:13.960 --> 0:07:20.240 Eagles backed up their vision with some very definitive actions here. Yeah, 0:07:20.280 --> 0:07:22.240 and Shepherd is a player who obviously will have had 0:07:22.280 --> 0:07:26.080 the experience of playing against very speedy receivers in the 0:07:26.080 --> 0:07:28.880 Big twelve, which is a lot of offenses. So here's 0:07:28.920 --> 0:07:31.720 my question, and again with rookies. And he's a sixth 0:07:31.760 --> 0:07:33.280 round pick, so we don't want to talk about him 0:07:33.320 --> 0:07:35.200 like he's a high first round pick and he's coming 0:07:35.240 --> 0:07:38.160 into start. But Shepherd is a kid I think, as 0:07:38.200 --> 0:07:40.400 I said, that's only going to get better and better 0:07:40.480 --> 0:07:44.600 because he's young and inexperienced playing corner. Let's say he 0:07:44.640 --> 0:07:47.760 comes in early and plays really well, and because he's 0:07:47.760 --> 0:07:52.160 not a safety prospect, he's a corner. Since we know 0:07:52.280 --> 0:07:55.080 Row can play safety and played it well, is there 0:07:55.120 --> 0:07:58.400 a chance down the road that their secondary looks like 0:07:58.560 --> 0:08:02.680 Maxwell and Shepherd with Roe at safety, Well, it's possible. None. 0:08:02.680 --> 0:08:05.440 You've also got Jill and Watkins. Don't discount him another 0:08:05.520 --> 0:08:08.680 player with your versatility to play both corner and safety. 0:08:08.760 --> 0:08:11.720 So the Eagles all of a sudden, very multiple in 0:08:11.760 --> 0:08:13.800 their defensive back which is what they want. How many 0:08:13.800 --> 0:08:16.360 times have we heard Bill Davis talk about that regarding 0:08:16.360 --> 0:08:18.960 the secondary. That's what they want. That's why they didn't 0:08:18.960 --> 0:08:21.720 want to get locked into taking safeties who can only 0:08:21.760 --> 0:08:23.600 play in the box for instance. They don't want that. 0:08:23.800 --> 0:08:27.960 They want versatility and flexibility in their defensive backfield. What 0:08:28.080 --> 0:08:30.160 do you think, Dan, who how will the Eagles line 0:08:30.240 --> 0:08:34.400 up mid season in the secondary. Well, I still don't 0:08:34.440 --> 0:08:37.679 know who the other safety is. I'm gonna say Jalen 0:08:37.760 --> 0:08:40.160 Watkins has a shot there. I think Eric Rowe will 0:08:40.200 --> 0:08:43.640 begin his career with the Eagles at the cornerback positions. 0:08:43.679 --> 0:08:46.000 So I'll throw this out and it's a young group 0:08:46.360 --> 0:08:48.560 and it's a new group, and it just shows you 0:08:48.559 --> 0:08:51.320 how quickly things change in the NFL. Let's go with 0:08:51.400 --> 0:08:54.960 Maxwell and Rowe at the cornerback positions, and I think 0:08:55.000 --> 0:08:59.080 inside Thurman and Boykin, that's going to be quite a 0:08:59.080 --> 0:09:02.640 battle here. And then I think you've got Malcolm Jenkins 0:09:03.600 --> 0:09:07.360 working next to Jaylen Watkins. Earl Wolf is going to 0:09:07.360 --> 0:09:10.640 own a chance. I know obviously Ed Reynolds is going 0:09:10.640 --> 0:09:13.680 to have a chance. Jerome Couplin, we have no idea 0:09:13.840 --> 0:09:19.400 big body, but it's it's to me that it's it's 0:09:19.440 --> 0:09:22.520 there's a lot of moving pieces, new names, new faces, 0:09:22.800 --> 0:09:26.200 new coaches who are going to evaluate these players all 0:09:26.320 --> 0:09:29.320 from ground zero. Yeah, it's obviously early to talk about 0:09:29.559 --> 0:09:32.360 position battles heading into training camp, but it looks like 0:09:32.640 --> 0:09:35.600 there's at least one open spot in the secondary, whether 0:09:35.640 --> 0:09:38.720 it's the second cornerback position or the second safety position, 0:09:38.760 --> 0:09:41.360 depending on where Eric Rogos, and then I guess a 0:09:41.440 --> 0:09:44.040 guard position, right guard. Is it gonna be Matt Tobin, 0:09:44.120 --> 0:09:46.560 Is it gonna be Alan Barbie? Those seem like the 0:09:46.600 --> 0:09:52.280 two big position battles potentially in training camp. Yeah, there's 0:09:52.280 --> 0:09:55.760 some certainly some some questions still there, and hey, we've 0:09:55.800 --> 0:09:57.480 got two picks to go here. We're gonna keep it 0:09:57.800 --> 0:10:00.400 live for you here on Eagles Draft Central through pick 0:10:00.440 --> 0:10:05.520 one ninety six in Chicago. They are having a good 0:10:05.520 --> 0:10:08.600 time there now in this sixth round. You've noticed that 0:10:09.440 --> 0:10:12.760 through the NFL network and so forth, that the teams 0:10:13.320 --> 0:10:16.920 are having their picks in the sixth round introduced by fans, 0:10:17.360 --> 0:10:19.800 and so you've noticed that Merril Reese is not sitting 0:10:19.880 --> 0:10:23.480 next to me. He is elsewhere, and he is doing 0:10:23.520 --> 0:10:28.440 an equally important job. Hi, I am Merrel Reese, voice 0:10:28.440 --> 0:10:31.760 of the Philadelphia Eagles, to announce the next pick in 0:10:31.840 --> 0:10:36.320 the twenty fifteen NFL Draft. The Eagles are very proud 0:10:36.400 --> 0:10:42.520 to present Brian Gingerlowski of Scranton, Pennsylvania. How you doing good? 0:10:46.080 --> 0:10:49.680 With the fifth pick of the sixth round, number one 0:10:49.800 --> 0:10:54.560 hundred and ninety one overall, the Philadelphia Eagles select Jacorey Shepherd, 0:10:54.840 --> 0:11:01.640 defensive back from Kansas. And there you go. That's a 0:11:01.760 --> 0:11:04.520 nice job, Merrill. Now hurry up and get back to 0:11:04.600 --> 0:11:08.280 our Extinity studio for pick one ninety six, and congratulations 0:11:09.320 --> 0:11:13.040 to that man for the for Brian Gingerlowski from the 0:11:13.080 --> 0:11:17.839 Ronald McDonald House announcing the first of two six round 0:11:17.880 --> 0:11:20.079 picks for the Eagles, pick one ninety one. Overall, the 0:11:20.080 --> 0:11:23.960 Eagles still with pick one ninety six and then one 0:11:24.000 --> 0:11:27.840 pick in round seven, So the Eagles adding to their 0:11:28.720 --> 0:11:32.240 depth along the defensive backfield. Now we will hear from 0:11:32.320 --> 0:11:35.040 Jip Kelly after pick one ninety six. Obviously they are 0:11:35.080 --> 0:11:38.480 getting ready for that next pick. Cleveland is in with 0:11:38.559 --> 0:11:41.920 pick number one ninety five and I really don't know 0:11:41.960 --> 0:11:46.240 where to think about this next pick. I guess offensive line, 0:11:46.240 --> 0:11:48.080 but you just want to you just want to make 0:11:48.120 --> 0:11:51.319 sure you've get you've got a really good measurable here, 0:11:51.679 --> 0:11:53.880 somebody that you can kind of build with, and somebody 0:11:53.960 --> 0:11:57.000 potentially you can come in and play special teams. Obviously, 0:11:57.080 --> 0:11:59.920 the Eagles number one in the NFL in special team 0:12:00.200 --> 0:12:05.840 twenty fourteen and they've added some resources two special teams 0:12:05.880 --> 0:12:08.480 in this offseason. So the Cleveland Browns have to pick 0:12:08.480 --> 0:12:10.120 in at one ninety five. Eagles will be on the 0:12:10.120 --> 0:12:13.520 clock shortly. And I would love to have a guest 0:12:13.559 --> 0:12:15.760 for you, but I just don't know. Guys, you have 0:12:15.800 --> 0:12:18.560 any names for me? Anybody bow that the Eagles have 0:12:18.559 --> 0:12:22.280 shown interest in as Malcolm Johnson tight end from Mississippi 0:12:22.320 --> 0:12:25.760 State goes at one ninety five Eagles officially on the clock. Yeah, 0:12:25.840 --> 0:12:27.440 for me, it's the same list as it was a 0:12:27.440 --> 0:12:30.520 few picks ago, minus Jacory Shepherd so o boom, guatch 0:12:30.600 --> 0:12:34.400 him from Oregon State. The converted wide receiver turned pass 0:12:34.480 --> 0:12:37.760 rusher on the outside has the length and measurable as 0:12:37.840 --> 0:12:40.120 Eagles would be looking for. It's possible they could go 0:12:40.120 --> 0:12:42.480 with another corner because Daryl Roberts is still there for 0:12:42.600 --> 0:12:45.760 maybe they just hit that position heavy. And then you've 0:12:45.760 --> 0:12:47.920 got the offensive lineman who we talked about, Sean Hickey 0:12:48.000 --> 0:12:52.120 from Syracuse, Laurence Skipson from Virginia Tech, Andy Gallick from Boston. 0:12:52.160 --> 0:12:54.160 You know, they've showed Rob Chris, but he showed interest 0:12:54.200 --> 0:12:56.320 in Darryl Roberts. As you said, they've showed interest in 0:12:56.400 --> 0:12:59.760 Randall Evans, a corner from Kansas State who played primarily 0:12:59.800 --> 0:13:02.600 in the slot, and he fits the Eagles measurables because 0:13:02.600 --> 0:13:05.800 he's six feet one ninety as a slot corner. Because 0:13:05.840 --> 0:13:09.120 Walter Thurman, while he's here and theoretically battles with Boykin 0:13:09.200 --> 0:13:11.840 now for the slot, Thurman's coming off a major knee injury, 0:13:12.080 --> 0:13:14.480 so he's an unknown to a certain extent, we have 0:13:14.559 --> 0:13:17.760 to assume where there's smoke, there's fire. Boykin's name has 0:13:17.760 --> 0:13:20.720 been bandied about, and our sense I believe you would 0:13:20.720 --> 0:13:22.800 see it the same way. From what Chip talks about 0:13:23.120 --> 0:13:25.480 is that five nine corners are not necessarily what he 0:13:25.480 --> 0:13:28.360 would ultimately like. So we don't know that for sure, 0:13:28.400 --> 0:13:31.800 but you know we've seen Boykin's name out there, so corner, 0:13:32.080 --> 0:13:34.760 you know they may be looking to totally revamp the secondary. 0:13:34.800 --> 0:13:37.280 There's a lot of coaches in the NFL who are 0:13:37.320 --> 0:13:40.760 starting to look at deef pass defense from the outside 0:13:40.840 --> 0:13:43.440 in as opposed to the inside out bow in that 0:13:43.640 --> 0:13:46.880 they want man to man corners and if you can 0:13:46.960 --> 0:13:49.040 line up man to man and cover, then you can 0:13:49.080 --> 0:13:51.480 do a lot of other things as opposed to starting 0:13:51.480 --> 0:13:53.599 with the pass rush. Of course, every team wants to 0:13:53.600 --> 0:13:56.280 pass for we know that, but there's different ways to 0:13:56.360 --> 0:13:58.360 look at this. When there's a lot of teams in 0:13:58.360 --> 0:14:00.640 the league and I've had these conversations, are starting to 0:14:00.679 --> 0:14:03.600 feel like, hey, it's more important to get the corner 0:14:04.360 --> 0:14:06.480 and the cover of people than it is the pass rushers. 0:14:06.520 --> 0:14:09.280 The other ones I'll quickly add the Oregon players, potentially 0:14:09.400 --> 0:14:13.360 Tony Washington, linebacker Eric Dargan's safety. If it's going to 0:14:13.400 --> 0:14:15.080 be an organ guy, that's who. How about a guy 0:14:15.080 --> 0:14:16.800 like Randall Levans, what do you think of him? Well, 0:14:16.880 --> 0:14:22.240 we said it again, just yet another We're just we're 0:14:22.280 --> 0:14:24.920 just on fire. Now, let's let's understand that, and let's 0:14:24.920 --> 0:14:28.000 talk about this. There are now three cornerbacks drafted by 0:14:28.000 --> 0:14:31.600 the Philadelphia Eagles, and we know that Roe has the 0:14:31.640 --> 0:14:35.840 body to potentially play safety, although I still think they 0:14:35.840 --> 0:14:39.160 will have him at cornerback early. Any of these two 0:14:39.200 --> 0:14:44.240 other picks, you're Corey Shephard and Randall Evans potentially handle 0:14:44.280 --> 0:14:47.760 the safety position. I don't know enough about Evans. Shephard 0:14:47.840 --> 0:14:50.400 is not super physical. He's also a little bit smaller. 0:14:50.480 --> 0:14:54.720 Evans is six feet six feet. This past year at 0:14:55.000 --> 0:14:58.280 Kansas he played predominant I think it was Kansas State. 0:14:58.320 --> 0:15:00.560 I believe in the state. Yeah, he played. I'm only 0:15:00.640 --> 0:15:03.040 in the slot almost every I watched four or five 0:15:03.120 --> 0:15:06.040 games he only played in the slot, So I assume 0:15:06.080 --> 0:15:07.960 in the other games that's what he did as well. 0:15:08.240 --> 0:15:11.800 So he was a six foot one ninety pound corner 0:15:11.880 --> 0:15:14.720 only in the slot. I can't imagine they drafted him 0:15:14.880 --> 0:15:17.720 after having played only in the slot. To play outside. 0:15:17.800 --> 0:15:20.920 I think they view him as a bigger slot corner, 0:15:21.200 --> 0:15:24.760 and I really believe it fits Chip Kelly's profile. They 0:15:24.760 --> 0:15:28.400 do not want short corners, whether it's outside or in 0:15:28.440 --> 0:15:31.000 the slot. And one thing we've seen from Chip Kelly 0:15:31.120 --> 0:15:34.080 is trying to take away the projection of moving a 0:15:34.120 --> 0:15:36.480 guy to a new position. So the only one of 0:15:36.480 --> 0:15:38.520 the three who I think would make sense of safety 0:15:38.680 --> 0:15:41.240 is Row. But of course he's the best of the three, 0:15:41.240 --> 0:15:42.960 and I think, as I agree with you Dave, his 0:15:43.120 --> 0:15:45.280 value is going to be the highest on the outside 0:15:45.280 --> 0:15:49.200 of cornerback. But maybe he allows you to move pieces around, 0:15:49.200 --> 0:15:52.720 maybe he slides onto tight ends in certain situations. But 0:15:52.760 --> 0:15:55.400 I think he is the star of this class obviously. 0:15:55.600 --> 0:15:57.800 So the Eagles go out in free agency and they 0:15:57.840 --> 0:16:02.280 sign Byron Maxwell, Walter Thurman, the third e J Biggers. 0:16:02.640 --> 0:16:05.600 All Right, you wonder, okay, let's keep atting to the mix. 0:16:06.440 --> 0:16:10.280 But now there's three cornerbacks here, and you wonder is 0:16:10.320 --> 0:16:13.480 there enough room at the cornerback in even early on 0:16:14.080 --> 0:16:16.520 in the pre training camp period, I mean, how many 0:16:16.560 --> 0:16:18.880 do you carry? Do you look for somebody to get moved? 0:16:19.000 --> 0:16:21.840 Bow and Greg. You know we've all heard these stories 0:16:21.880 --> 0:16:25.240 out there about the veterans, and I guess I anticipated 0:16:25.280 --> 0:16:30.120 maybe some movement there in this draft. We've had none. Yeah, 0:16:30.160 --> 0:16:31.440 And off the top of my head, I think the 0:16:31.480 --> 0:16:34.440 Eagles have had about nine to ten corners in camp 0:16:34.680 --> 0:16:37.080 over the last two years with Chip Kelly. So it's 0:16:37.120 --> 0:16:40.640 going to obviously be deep competition. But you do wonder, now, 0:16:40.880 --> 0:16:43.000 you know, does a player like Brandon book and end 0:16:43.080 --> 0:16:45.080 up going somewhere else? I don't know, He's you know, 0:16:45.120 --> 0:16:47.160 he has been a very productive player for the Eagles 0:16:47.200 --> 0:16:49.560 over the last two seasons. It's it's like anything else 0:16:49.560 --> 0:16:51.280 in the NFL. It depends on the value that you're 0:16:51.280 --> 0:16:53.160 being offered. But again, now we're getting to the point 0:16:53.240 --> 0:16:57.280 where Chip Kelly is in control of personnel. It's clear 0:16:57.360 --> 0:17:00.520 that he has certain parameters. He's a believer to some 0:17:00.600 --> 0:17:03.680 degree in the Bill Parcel's school of thought that you 0:17:03.840 --> 0:17:07.760 define measurables for every position, and maybe it's not one 0:17:07.800 --> 0:17:11.520 hundred percent, but that's your foundation. You don't draft exceptions, 0:17:11.680 --> 0:17:15.000 you don't play with exceptions. You stay to what your 0:17:15.000 --> 0:17:17.280 measurables are. And I think that's what he's doing. He's 0:17:17.280 --> 0:17:20.919 trying to remake the secondary in his vision of what 0:17:21.000 --> 0:17:23.720 he believes the secondary should be so I think yeah, 0:17:23.760 --> 0:17:26.399 as I agree. In the two position groups we have 0:17:26.440 --> 0:17:30.080 now seen Chip Kelly completely revamped during his time as 0:17:30.080 --> 0:17:33.399 head coach is wide receiver and now cornerback. So those 0:17:33.440 --> 0:17:36.880 big positions on the outside, Chip Kelly obviously thinks those 0:17:36.920 --> 0:17:39.720 were the ones that needed to be remade for this roster. 0:17:40.080 --> 0:17:43.199 And let me emphasize this for Eagles fans, when you 0:17:43.240 --> 0:17:46.480 are watching this team in the preseason and during the 0:17:46.520 --> 0:17:49.040 twenty fifteen regular season, you're going to see a team 0:17:49.560 --> 0:17:52.200 that at the cornerback position in in coverage, they want 0:17:52.240 --> 0:17:57.040 their big, long armed covermen up at the line of scrimmage. 0:17:57.400 --> 0:18:00.200 In press coverage, they want to be physical at the 0:18:00.280 --> 0:18:02.040 last guy. I think there's a whole And then you 0:18:02.040 --> 0:18:05.159 guys have talked about a fundamental change, not just in 0:18:05.320 --> 0:18:09.640 names and embodied tip, but fundamentally the Eagles want to 0:18:09.720 --> 0:18:12.639 get nasty at the cornerback position. As we see the 0:18:12.720 --> 0:18:16.840 updated draft tracker, they and Greg, well, you tell me 0:18:17.040 --> 0:18:19.159 how difficult it is to do that, to be that 0:18:19.280 --> 0:18:21.840 kind of in your face. We're going to get our 0:18:21.880 --> 0:18:25.560 hands on you. Group of cornerbacks. Well, we've talked about 0:18:25.600 --> 0:18:27.600 that when we looked at Eric Row. In terms of 0:18:27.600 --> 0:18:30.280 what the Eagles corners are asked to do in this defense, 0:18:30.440 --> 0:18:33.280 it's all about disruption at the line of scrimmage, disrupting 0:18:33.320 --> 0:18:36.560 the timing of the offense, throwing them off so that 0:18:36.600 --> 0:18:38.080 the Eagles can you get to the corner. You have 0:18:38.160 --> 0:18:40.879 to remember that the NFL passing game has changed to 0:18:40.920 --> 0:18:43.560 a large degree. It's not the old days where it 0:18:43.680 --> 0:18:47.080 was a lot of deeper drops, long developing routes. There's 0:18:47.080 --> 0:18:50.480 a lot of three step, five step timing throws. More 0:18:50.520 --> 0:18:53.359 people are in the shotgun, the shotgun is usually quicker 0:18:53.400 --> 0:18:55.879 throws or because you have more people in routes and 0:18:56.000 --> 0:18:59.240 less in protection. So if you can disrupt routes at 0:18:59.280 --> 0:19:02.359 the line of grimmage, that is a better way against 0:19:02.440 --> 0:19:05.840 quicker drops than the pass rush because you can get 0:19:05.880 --> 0:19:09.040 a linebacker totally clean to the quarterback. But if it's 0:19:09.080 --> 0:19:11.440 a five step timing route and the ball comes out 0:19:11.480 --> 0:19:14.800 on time in two point one seconds, a clean linebacker 0:19:14.840 --> 0:19:17.400 will not get there in two point one seconds. So 0:19:17.440 --> 0:19:20.000 it's really becoming more important in the eyes of many 0:19:20.400 --> 0:19:24.000 to disrupt on the outside as opposed to focusing all 0:19:24.000 --> 0:19:26.520 your energies on the pass rush. So it makes sense 0:19:26.560 --> 0:19:29.640 to you then that Schip Kelly wants to really completely 0:19:29.680 --> 0:19:33.640 revamp this cornerback group so that they can do that philosophically, 0:19:33.680 --> 0:19:35.800 it makes good sense as we look at the board 0:19:35.960 --> 0:19:39.000 and we see the competition, and how many times has 0:19:39.080 --> 0:19:42.520 Chip talked about that bow competition? That's what he wants. 0:19:42.680 --> 0:19:47.200 He's still a relatively new head coach first developing his program. 0:19:47.400 --> 0:19:50.920 What do new head coaches always want? Competition? So right 0:19:50.960 --> 0:19:53.920 now they go into camp with all of these corners. 0:19:53.960 --> 0:19:56.480 They're not all going to make the team. We know that, 0:19:56.640 --> 0:19:59.439 but he wants the competition. And you also wonder now 0:19:59.480 --> 0:20:02.000 if Nolan Carroll is the kind of player who gets 0:20:02.000 --> 0:20:05.040 a look potentially at safety, whether he has that kind 0:20:05.080 --> 0:20:06.720 of skill set. So it's going to be fascinating to 0:20:06.800 --> 0:20:09.000 the Other issue too, is they played a ton of 0:20:09.080 --> 0:20:13.119 dime last year six defensive backs, and Nolan Carroll filled 0:20:13.160 --> 0:20:15.600 that role very effectively. He could be the kind of 0:20:15.600 --> 0:20:18.600 player that play when they played dime, whether that becomes 0:20:18.640 --> 0:20:21.800 their predominant sub package or whether they just use it 0:20:21.880 --> 0:20:25.280 ten snaps a game. Nolan Carroll could fill that specific role, 0:20:25.359 --> 0:20:27.639 but you would be surprised if they really played a 0:20:27.720 --> 0:20:30.399 majority of dime considering the value they put at the 0:20:30.400 --> 0:20:34.480 inside linebacker position this offseason, that remains to be seen. 0:20:34.560 --> 0:20:36.320 I mean, there's a lot of teams with good inside 0:20:36.320 --> 0:20:39.480 linebackers that are three four based and I mean, you 0:20:39.520 --> 0:20:41.240 don't know the answer to that. I think they're going 0:20:41.280 --> 0:20:44.440 to figure that out. But clearly, I mean we can 0:20:44.520 --> 0:20:47.720 say based on what they've done today that they clearly 0:20:47.760 --> 0:20:52.240 think their secondary is very, very important, clearly more important 0:20:52.240 --> 0:20:56.080 to them right now than offensive line. They must feel 0:20:56.160 --> 0:20:58.760 very comfortable with their offensive line right now. That's exactly right. 0:20:58.800 --> 0:21:02.080 And when you commit so many resources to revamping one position, 0:21:02.320 --> 0:21:04.800 obviously that's going to mean that other positions are going 0:21:04.800 --> 0:21:07.080 to be left a little bit wanting. But obviously, I 0:21:07.119 --> 0:21:09.120 think if you talk to Eagles fans during the year 0:21:09.240 --> 0:21:12.080 last year, they would have said, we want a new secondary. 0:21:12.119 --> 0:21:16.960 Well now we have one. How how much improved in total? Guys? 0:21:17.080 --> 0:21:20.840 Is this Eagles defense from last year? You add the cornerbacks, 0:21:21.640 --> 0:21:26.920 you add Kiko alonso Um, you add some coaching, new coaches, 0:21:26.960 --> 0:21:31.240