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Speaker 1: Here we go. It is a Tuesday. Welcome in. We

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Speaker 1: are live in Chicago. Apparently the Buffalo Bills have a

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Speaker 1: new coach. Wherever you may be, however you may be listening.

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Speaker 1: Thanks for making us part of your day. Story came

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Speaker 1: down about eight minutes ago. Nine minutes ago, Joe Brady,

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Speaker 1: who's been with the Bills for several years started as

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Speaker 1: Josh Allen's quarterback coach, is the new hire for the

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Speaker 1: Buffalo Bills. And so it's okay. Was it the hot

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Speaker 3: No.

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Speaker 1: And I read a story this morning and it said

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Speaker 1: the Patriot Seahawks is the most unlikely Super Bowl matchup

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Speaker 1: by preseason odds in the last fifty years. I don't

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Speaker 1: think it's shocking. And I'll tell you why. What did

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Speaker 1: we learn this NFL season let's tie a bow on

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Speaker 1: it as we go through all the coaching hires. Number

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Speaker 1: one thing we learned, hire the best or second best

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Speaker 1: coach on the coaching market if you want to turn

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Speaker 1: your fortunes around. That's what the Chargers did with Harbaugh,

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Speaker 1: did with Sean Payton, Vrabel, New England, and oh, by

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Speaker 1: the way, Mike McDonald was the hot young coach interviewed

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Speaker 1: for six different teams. The Harbaugh's raved around about him

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Speaker 1: made the Ravens the number one defense when we thought

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Speaker 1: number one. He was the McVeigh of that coaching cycle

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Speaker 1: So the number one thing we learned is if you

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Speaker 1: one thing. Does Joe Brady of the Bills, who's going

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Speaker 1: to get hired this morning, does he qualify as that?

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Speaker 1: The second thing that we learned this season, either have

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Speaker 1: Remember it surprised everybody. So ask yourself, is Joe Brady

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Speaker 1: And is Josh Allen next year going to be really

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Speaker 1: His cap hit his fifty six million dollars. That's why

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Speaker 1: I have said the most. I've done this four years

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Speaker 1: That doesn't lineup. Shocking is not a New England team

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Speaker 1: Mike Tomlin won the NFL's not about just winning. How

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Speaker 1: it's not just about winning. Pittsburgh wins all the time,

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Speaker 1: it's about winning in January. And I've always said this,

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Speaker 1: You know you have an elite coach. You and I

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Speaker 4: Just in the AFC.

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Speaker 1: I won't put him up against Shanahan, McVeigh, Ben Johnson

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Speaker 4: Do you think you have the best coach?

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Speaker 5: You do not.

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Speaker 1: Kyle Shanahan beat the Eagles. Remember a few weeks back,

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Speaker 1: lost to Sean Payton, they lost to Ben Johnson, Kyle Shanahan, hardball,

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Speaker 1: They lost to other coaches. For coaching matters in this league.

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Speaker 1: And when you settle or get a coach everybody is

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Speaker 1: I'm not saying they're disastrous hires.

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Speaker 5: I think Mike McCarthy will probably win.

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Speaker 1: Games, and I think Joe Brady with Josh Allen gonna

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Speaker 1: win ten eleven games. It's Josh Allen. But I mean,

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Speaker 1: The Steelers haven't won a playoff game in nine years.

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Speaker 1: Mike McCarthy has one playoff win in nine years. That

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Speaker 1: Super Bowl again. I don't think it's a bad hire.

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Speaker 1: The good news for McCarthy he didn't have to pay

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Speaker 4: That helps. But Josh Allen isn't.

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Speaker 1: Matt Hasselbeck briefly had Mike McCarthy as a position coach.

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Speaker 6: This hier to me makes it feel like the Pittsburgh

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Speaker 6: Steelers want to rent win right away, like they want

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Speaker 6: I'm happy for him, and I do think it's a

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Speaker 1: and you have to negotiate the best team friendly deal

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Speaker 1: you can at quarterback. Because Mahomes didn't make the playoffs

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Speaker 3: Let's go to that Joe Brady news in Buffalo. He

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Speaker 3: So there are three job openings, Lefty, would you put

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Speaker 4: Buffalo, Pittsburgh.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, offense was never the issue this season with Buffalo

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Speaker 3: com No. I mean, look at their final game. Would

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Speaker 3: they hang on Denver thirty something points?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: Five hundred yards of offense? Like, offense wasn't the problem.

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Speaker 3: We'll see if the new voice changes anything. I'm a

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Speaker 3: little dubious. All right, Let's move to Cleveland. Oh boy,

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Speaker 3: the land one of the many nicknames for the Factory

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Speaker 3: of sadness Colin. The latest report about their head coaching

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Speaker 3: vacancy is Jim Schwartz. The DC in Cleveland is gaining

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Speaker 3: momentum to be the new head coach. Schwartz, you may

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Speaker 3: have remembered, was the coach of the Detroit Lions. He

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Speaker 3: went twenty nine and fifty one. I'm fairly cuertain those

448
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Speaker 3: were some lean Stafford years, but they didn't get to

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Speaker 3: the playoffs once, and I'm almost certain they lost that

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Speaker 3: game to Dallas. There was some questionable officiating, if my

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Speaker 3: bankroll remembers it correctly. Schwartz has been with the Brown

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Speaker 3: since twenty twenty three. I'll let you go first.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't think he was.

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Speaker 1: I mean, was he the one of the top two candidates, know,

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Speaker 1: was he the hot young candidate?

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Speaker 4: No, that's what's winning. So he's not.

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Speaker 1: He doesn't qualify for either of those. He's not the

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Speaker 1: top coach or second top coach on the market, and

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Speaker 1: he's not the young guy like Jesse Mintter. People are

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Speaker 1: very excited about Jesse Mintor. The Ravens had him, he

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Speaker 1: left the building. They got him back the minute they could.

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Speaker 1: So I don't think he qualifies as one of those

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Speaker 1: two groups. But you know, Joe Brady and Mike McCarthy don't.

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Speaker 1: And I do think Joe Brady will win double digit

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Speaker 1: games in Buffalo.

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Speaker 4: I do.

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Speaker 1: They just don't have any cap space because of you know,

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Speaker 1: because of Josh Allen's fifty six million dollar salary.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I got a couple of buddies in Ohio.

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Speaker 5: They are lamenting this news. Colling.

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Speaker 3: This is, like you said, uninspiring. Everybody wants shiny new things.

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Speaker 3: There's a passing game coordinator that the Rams have who's hot.

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Speaker 3: A lot of Cleveland fans were begging for Clint Kubiak

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Speaker 3: of the Seahawks. That's clearly not going to happen. Now

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Speaker 3: is there in the Super Bowl? Well, feel like this

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Speaker 3: is kind of uninspiring.

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Speaker 1: Well, the Cleveland coaching search was odd, so you let

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Speaker 1: go of the two time coach of the Year, and

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Speaker 1: according to reports, the Cleveland Browns wanted you as one

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Speaker 1: of the least interesting jobs and least desirable jobs. They

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Speaker 1: were demanding you write an essay on why you think

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Speaker 1: that's the story. I'm not making this up that with

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Speaker 1: the story. They wanted you to write an essay on

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Speaker 1: what qualified you for the job, which is a strange

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Speaker 1: ask when you're not that desirable position. When the Ravens

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Speaker 1: is open, the Bills is open, the Giants is open,

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Speaker 1: Atlanta with very good ownership makes the playoffs was open.

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Speaker 1: And Cleveland, I mean, and even the Raiders get Fernando Mendoza.

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Speaker 1: So that's very attractive, right, that's kind of attractive. You

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Speaker 1: get a very talented number one pit quarterback four years,

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Speaker 1: you're not paying them anything.

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Speaker 2: I just.

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Speaker 1: I have pity in life for burn victims and orphans

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Speaker 1: and people who have gone through horrible things in life.

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Speaker 1: I struggle to feel bad for people who kept stepping

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Speaker 1: in it, keeps stepping in it. And I feel like

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Speaker 1: Cleveland just keeps stepping in it, drafting Johnny Manzel and

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Speaker 1: Freddie Kitchens and then letting Stefanski go. It's like, it's

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Speaker 1: hard for me to have sympathy for Cleveland when they

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Speaker 1: do this.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's weird the way you frame that about like

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Speaker 3: the Browns are asking people to write an essay.

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Speaker 5: I remember one of my first college job interviews.

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Speaker 3: Right after college, I had to fly to a town

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Speaker 3: called Base City, Michigan.

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Speaker 5: Have you heard of it?

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Speaker 3: No?

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Speaker 5: It's super tiny, but.

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Speaker 3: I'm like a young guy and I'm looking around the newsroom.

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Speaker 3: It's all these old people. I'm like, what is there

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Speaker 3: to do in this town? Basically, I'm asking them, can

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Speaker 3: you sell me.

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Speaker 5: On coming here?

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Speaker 3: And they're like, we want you. Here's an offer. And

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Speaker 3: I'm like, what am I doing? I'm not going here.

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Speaker 3: I'm a young guy.

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Speaker 5: I don't.

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Speaker 3: It just feels like Cleveland and Haslam. They continuously have

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Speaker 3: bungled things. Very tough job. Yeah, Door Sanders isn't great,

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Speaker 3: but he's popular. It's very tee Bow ask Albough. He's

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Speaker 3: better than Tebow.

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Speaker 1: So it's one of those situations where the quarterbacks not

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Speaker 1: really trait wise great, but he's really popular.

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Speaker 4: And so you've got to play that game.

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Speaker 1: And you've got impulsive ownership, and the roster's not very good.

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Speaker 1: It's a hard job, and you're in a division where

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Speaker 1: you know Joe Burrell plays and Lamar Jackson plays, and

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Speaker 1: the Steelers usually have pretty good personnel. So I just

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Speaker 1: don't it's uninspired. Maybe whole want a bunch of games.

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Speaker 1: It feels uninspired.

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Speaker 3: Does it feel like they didn't have a game plan

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Speaker 3: when they fired Stefanski a little?

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Speaker 5: Yeah. Final story, Calum.

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Speaker 3: Mike Vrabel and the Patriots somehow made the Super Bowl

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Speaker 3: easy schedule faced Jared sit him in the AFC title

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Speaker 3: game unbelievable. Anyways, he had a pretty cool approach in

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Speaker 3: trading camp. He wanted each of his players to start

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Speaker 3: with four hs. He wanted to know their hopes, history, heroes,

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Speaker 3: and a heartbreak. That's kind of nerdy but also somewhat cool.

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Speaker 3: Several players say that starting this instead of diving right

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Speaker 3: into the playbooks, it helped kind of develop team chemistry

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Speaker 3: wide receiver, Booty.

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Speaker 5: When you know what a guy besides you went.

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Speaker 3: Through in order to be here today, it makes you

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Speaker 3: want to play for them even more.

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Speaker 5: It all started with Rabel.

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Speaker 3: So I like that idea and attitude from Rabel. If

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Speaker 3: you want to tell us your your heroes, not really

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Speaker 3: tell me about your Buffalo heartbreak.

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Speaker 5: Losing to the.

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Speaker 3: Chiefs every year in the playoffs not not a bad strategy.

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Speaker 1: Well, team building, baby, I think Drew Brees talked about

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Speaker 1: that yesterday on the show. You're hiring a CEO now,

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Speaker 1: not a play caller. If you can get a CEO

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Speaker 1: that can do a little play calling, that's great. But

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Speaker 1: you know, I was thinking about that Buffalo situation. If

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Speaker 1: I'm asking you today, who is the better coach today,

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Speaker 1: Joe Brady or Sean McDermott, ow, come.

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Speaker 3: On, that's abvieust sure for me? Sorry for me, I

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Speaker 3: would take McDermott.

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Speaker 1: Sorry, Okay, who's better Kevin Stefanski or Jim Schwartz Stefanski.

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Speaker 1: Isn't it interesting now when New England hired a coach

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Speaker 1: who was better Gerad Mayo or Mike Rabel. Okay, So

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Speaker 1: the point being is when you hired Vrabel, whether or

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Speaker 1: not he was going to be the best coach in

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Speaker 1: the league, it was a massive upgrade. That's why you

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Speaker 1: get rid of a coach. There was nobody on the

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Speaker 1: market that was going to be a massive upgrade from

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Speaker 1: Kevin Stefanski. Now Baltimore can argue, we think Jesse Minter

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Speaker 1: is a cultural upgrade from Harbaugh eighteen years. You know

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Speaker 1: a lot of the stories get old. That's what Seattle felt,

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Speaker 1: Pete had been there, players had heard the stories. You

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Speaker 1: want to upgrade when it comes to a coaching, sir,

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Speaker 1: do you believe the coach you are hiring is a

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Speaker 1: notable and inarguable and not debatable upgrade over the last coach?

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Speaker 1: Do we know that with Joe Brady? Do we know

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Speaker 1: that with Joe Brady and Sean mcdermom We do not.

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Speaker 1: Did we know what Girard Mayo and Vrabel?

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Speaker 4: Yes?

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Speaker 1: Did we know Matt eberflus Ben Johnson absolutely, Nat Hackett

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Speaker 1: and Peyton absolutely. Just ask yourself, who was the last

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Speaker 1: guy here, who's the guy you hired? Is it an

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Speaker 1: arguable upgrade? When the answer is yes, usually good things happen.

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Speaker 3: And that's a great point because everybody wanted to jetsifire

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Speaker 3: Aaron Glenn, I don't think anybody would have been clamoring

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Speaker 3: for this job, and so I don't know if.

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Speaker 5: It's a n upgrade.

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Speaker 3: I'm fine with keeping Glenn, but like Sala, huge upgrade

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Speaker 3: over Kellah.

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Speaker 5: With Kellahan, whoever the young coach was, I.

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Speaker 1: Think Robert Sala qualifies is a big up right. That's

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Speaker 1: the one coaching hire that's getting no discussion, which I

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Speaker 1: actually think if I today I told you I think

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Speaker 1: the New York Giants are one of my two pigs

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Speaker 1: to double their win total in more this morning.

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Speaker 4: I don't have a second.

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Speaker 1: Tennessee would probably be the leader in the clubhouse with Sala.

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Speaker 1: I think cam Moore's really talented and they got a

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Speaker 1: lot of cap space a lot.

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Speaker 4: I agree j Mack with the news.

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Speaker 2: Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by the

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Speaker 2: Herd Line News.

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Speaker 1: Sometimes in sports or politics, we frame our debates based

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Speaker 1: on how much we like the coach, the quarterback of

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Speaker 1: the politician, and is Sean McVay of the Rams getting

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Speaker 1: a little passed because we like him?

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Speaker 4: That's next The Herd.

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Speaker 2: Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays

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Speaker 2: and noon Eastern not a em Pacific.

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Speaker 5: Saturday on Fox.

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Speaker 3: four thirty Eastern on Fox.

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Speaker 1: So what I'm about to say, I think it's pretty true.

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Speaker 4: If you don't like.

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Speaker 1: Like our current president, you just don't like his personality,

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Speaker 1: then you don't want to hear about his policies. And

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Speaker 1: that's always if you didn't like the previous guy, Biden,

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Speaker 1: you don't want to hear about his policies. You don't

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Speaker 1: like him for whatever reason. It's the same with athletes.

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Speaker 1: A lot of you just don't like Lebron. He's arguably

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Speaker 1: the best basketball player ever. I was in last night.

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Speaker 1: I went to the game Bowls Lakers, second best player

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Speaker 1: on both rosters, Lebron James, and for the first quarter

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Speaker 1: he was the best player. He's great. So people love

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Speaker 1: Sean McVay. I love Sean McVay. People don't like Sean

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Speaker 1: Payton as much. Little cocky, little snarky I like. I

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Speaker 1: like Sean Payton too. But it is interesting. So one

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Speaker 1: coach is getting hammered for a fourth down call, the

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Speaker 1: other gets a pass. So let's talk about Denver.

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Speaker 4: First.

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Speaker 1: I would have kicked a field goal, but this needs

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Speaker 1: to be said. Denver was playing at home. Denver has

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Speaker 1: the first or second highest rinted offensive line. Sean Payton's

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Speaker 1: an elite play caller, and it was early in the

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Speaker 1: game and all they had to get was one yard

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Speaker 1: with an excellent offensive line. They're at home.

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Speaker 4: Now.

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Speaker 1: I didn't like the call at all, putting it in

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Speaker 1: the hands of Jarrett Stidham bo Nicks. I would go

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Speaker 1: for it, and I'd have no problem. If you're going

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Speaker 1: to do Jarrett Stidham, do a run, get behind your

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Speaker 1: offensive line, don't roll out Jarrett stidm. But what's interesting

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Speaker 1: analytically it was kind of a coin flip. The analytics

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Speaker 1: didn't overwhelmingly tell you field goal, although they preferred it slightly.

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Speaker 1: Now let's go to the Rams, going for it. It

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Speaker 1: wasn't fourth and one, it was fourth and four. You

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Speaker 1: weren't the home team, you were the road team. In fact,

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Speaker 1: it's so loud in Seattle Matt Stafford at midfield has

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Speaker 1: to kneel down because he can't hear. What do you

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Speaker 1: think it sounds like in the end zone. It's the

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Speaker 1: loudest place in the league. It's not fourth and one,

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Speaker 1: it's fourth and four. The Seahawks D line is higher

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Speaker 1: rated than the Rams O line, so you don't have

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Speaker 1: the Broncos O line advantage. It's not fourth and one,

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Speaker 1: it's fourth and four. It's not at home, it's on

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Speaker 1: the road. And yet McVeigh total pass. Now, analytics do

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Speaker 1: tell you to go for it here, but it's not

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Speaker 1: ninety ten, it's like forty six thirty eight. It's like

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Speaker 1: an eight to ten percent swing. You should go for it.

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Speaker 1: I defended both coaches yesterday going for it. I just

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Speaker 1: didn't like Sean Payton's call at all. Don't put it

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Speaker 1: in the hands in did them. Bo Nick's rolling rights

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Speaker 1: different than Jared Stidham rolling right right. Bo Nicks is

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Speaker 1: really athletic. Jared Stidham's a guy right, So, but it

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Speaker 1: is interesting the analytics. I look at Sean McVeigh. Remember

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Speaker 1: the Rams had stopped Seattle on the previous drive, So

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Speaker 1: there's certainly an argument that let's just kick a field

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Speaker 1: goal get within one. We stopped him on the previous drive.

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Speaker 1: I like how my defense is playing. You can certainly

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Speaker 1: make that argument, and even the analytics weren't overwhelmingly. You

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Speaker 1: got to go for it. You're on the road. Not

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Speaker 1: only on the road, you're in the end zone. It's

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Speaker 1: the Seahawks defense. Oh by the way, your quarterback man

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Speaker 1: at Stafford is one of the least mobile quarterbacks in

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Speaker 1: the league. So if the play design, the play call

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Speaker 1: doesn't work, you're screwed. You don't get a second and

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Speaker 1: third play like Caleb Williams Josh Lamar Mahome.

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Speaker 4: You don't get that.

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Speaker 1: You are very much in a Jared Goff situation. The

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Speaker 1: play a call has to work or you're screwed on

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Speaker 1: the road against Seattle, not fourth and one, fourth and four.

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Speaker 1: So I defended both coaches because I don't like beating

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Speaker 1: coaches up for play calling. I think these coaches you

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Speaker 1: got to get a lot of buy in from your players,

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Speaker 1: and if you're always punting For the record, it should

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Speaker 1: be noted that compared to fifteen years ago, coaches go

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Speaker 1: for it twice as often on fourth down as they

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Speaker 1: used to. So it's just the trend in sports. Dan

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Speaker 1: Campbell's entire brand is going for it. But I think

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Speaker 1: Dan Campbell going for it. He loves to hand that

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Speaker 1: ball off to running backs or have a clever play.

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Speaker 1: He didn't have Goff rolling out. Jared Stondham rolling out

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Speaker 1: is Jared Goff rolling out. Basically, that's never going to

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Speaker 1: be my call. I like, but it is interesting. Denver's

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Speaker 1: at home, Denver's got a great O line. It's only

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Speaker 1: fourth and one, it's early in the game. It probably

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Speaker 1: isn't going to decide anything, right, and that's considered horrible

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Speaker 1: and McVeigh is like, yeah, of course you go for it.

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Speaker 1: When I was sitting there, my take was I didn't

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Speaker 1: have a bother a problem going for it. But I

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Speaker 1: thought fourth and four in the end zone in Seattle,

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Speaker 1: I get a great secondary. I'm like, man, that's a

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Speaker 1: I didn't have a lot of confidence in it. I'll

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Speaker 1: say that. Here's Mike Vrabel on WEEI in Boston talking

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Speaker 1: about Sean Payton's decision.

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Speaker 9: I don't mind being aggressive. You just said, think the

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Speaker 9: biggest thing is trying to predict the flow of the

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Speaker 9: game and what then it's going to look like. And

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Speaker 9: how many points do you think that you're going to

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Speaker 9: need to eventually win the football game. We've gone forward

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Speaker 9: and gotten it, we've gone forward and not gotten it. Obviously,

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Speaker 9: when you get it, it looks like a great decision.

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Speaker 9: But on the other side of the court is that

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Speaker 9: you don't get it. You know now the reaction and

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Speaker 9: the response of what happens after that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm generally I think going for it is, especially

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Speaker 1: if I think the quarterback is good. I just didn't

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Speaker 1: like Sean Payton putting it in the hands of a

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Speaker 1: very marginally athletic Jarrett Stidham rolling out. I didn't like

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Speaker 1: that play at all. If you were to handle it

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Speaker 1: off on fourth and one and a half and the

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Speaker 1: line got stimied and hammered. The Denver's oh lines like

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Speaker 1: one of the best in the league. The Rams is good,

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Speaker 1: but it's not as good as Denvers. So there you go.

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Speaker 1: Fourth down to say their thing about analytics, because it's

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Speaker 1: I said this, like analytics is very interesting. I went

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Speaker 1: and watched the Bulls and the Lakers last night. No

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Speaker 1: defense in the first half, a little bit of Laker

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Speaker 1: defense in the second. None in the first half. So

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Speaker 1: analytics don't measure everything. And here's what they didn't measure

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Speaker 1: last night. In that game, nobody cared. Nobody cares in

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Speaker 1: January about playing defense in the first half of games.

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Speaker 1: I mean the Lakers were shooting like sixty percent in

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Speaker 1: the first half. I mean they were just getting wide

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Speaker 1: open shots. Analytics don't measure everything. We know once you

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Speaker 1: get to the NBA playoffs, the mid range game becomes

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Speaker 1: much more important, and once you get to the postseason.

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Speaker 1: In football, analytics don't talk a lot about weather. One

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Speaker 1: of the reasons I would have gone for it in

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Speaker 1: Denver's case is they had to have some weather reports

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Speaker 1: teams always due knowing the weather was going to get worse,

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Speaker 1: and it was already cold in a little windy. There's

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Speaker 1: another reason. Not it just kicked, Sean Payton. I just

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Speaker 1: kicked the field goal. Take a ten tonhing the league.

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Speaker 1: We could get ourselves into a windy, sloppy, cold, snowy

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Speaker 1: second half where that field goal matters a lot. But

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Speaker 1: I do think it's often interesting whether it's presidents or

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Speaker 1: it's coaches or players. Do you like the guy? You're

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00:38:52,880 --> 00:38:55,200
Speaker 1: much more willing to defend the guy. And mcvay's got

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Speaker 1: a very good reputation and everybody likes him. So there

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Speaker 1: you go, right, showing up next hour, RG three, showing

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Speaker 1: up last hour.

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Speaker 5: Can I ask a quick question about that Lakers Bulls game?

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Speaker 3: So I was watching it out here in LA, and

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Speaker 3: you know, Luka Doncics went for I believe forty six

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Speaker 3: on like twenty four shots or something efficient. How is

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Speaker 3: he not the VV of the league at this point?

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Speaker 3: He has eight forty point games this season. He's unbelievable.

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Speaker 4: Oh yeah, and how is he not the VV?

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Speaker 1: You know? You know my takeaway watching that game. The

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Speaker 1: New England Patriots went from unwatchable to the super Bowl

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Speaker 1: because you can do that in the NFL, because you

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Speaker 1: can trade anybody you want. The Chicago Bulls have been

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Speaker 1: bad for a decade plus and they're a mile and

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Speaker 1: a half from being great. They need four more high player.

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Speaker 1: The NBA limits the trades you can make. There's only

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Speaker 1: so much you can do.

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Speaker 4: And in the.

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Speaker 1: NFL, where the Patriots draft twenty three year old men,

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Speaker 1: five of their rookies. Six of their rookies for the

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Speaker 1: Patriots have been highly productive in the NBA. You drafted

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Speaker 1: n eighteen year old kid who even if he's whimby,

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Speaker 1: is going to be on him. Game restriction, a minute

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Speaker 1: restriction of value restriction. And so I'm watching that game

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Speaker 1: last night, and my takeaway is, you know, Luca scored

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Speaker 1: forty six.

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Speaker 4: I mean it was.

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Speaker 1: It was the easiest forty six you've ever seen in

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Speaker 1: your life, easy at relative to you know, other games.

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Speaker 1: They just like they didn't Chicago didn't defend much, especially

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Speaker 1: this time January NBA season. But my other takeaway is,

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Speaker 1: if you want to know why the NFL is king,

785
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Speaker 1: it's the League of Hope, is that you can be awful.

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Speaker 1: You can literally be the Bears and the Patriots six

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Speaker 1: months later free agent, you hire the right coach, you

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Speaker 1: get the quarterback elevated through coaching, you can play for

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Speaker 1: a super Bowl or get damn close to it. The

790
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Speaker 1: Bulls have been bad forever. There's no way out. There's

791
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Speaker 1: nothing they can do to get out of that. They're

792
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Speaker 1: not close. Most of the fans last night were cheering

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Speaker 1: for Lebron and of course.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, listen, Essentially, you don't want to say

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Speaker 3: everybody that's mediocre should tank, but.

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Speaker 5: That's what you're looking at. In the NBA. This draft

797
00:41:01,800 --> 00:41:02,520
Speaker 5: is so loaded.

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Speaker 3: Last night, I'm sure you watched co opete at Arizona.

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Speaker 3: You got the kid debansa from b what. There's so many.

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Speaker 3: This is like a six potential stars and all it

801
00:41:10,719 --> 00:41:13,400
Speaker 3: takes is one. Chicago just hasn't had that luck in

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Speaker 3: the draft league they have.

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Speaker 1: Nick Wright is stopping by top of next hour. It

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Speaker 1: is a Tuesday super Bowl.

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Speaker 5: A set