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Speaker 2: Hey, we've got Jason Kipness day today.

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Speaker 3: We do, Yeah, we do. Good to see you boys,

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Speaker 2: Hey, happy first few weeks of the season. Actually, happy

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Speaker 2: Spencer Strider Day to those who celebrate. I was on

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Speaker 2: And also if you like watching Swing and Miss and

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Speaker 1: That's that would only be a name I would not

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Speaker 1: look forward to seeing. He's a he's done and he's

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Speaker 4: Me too. Yeah, so he'll start today for the I

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Speaker 5: They do, right, they They they need Strider sale to

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Speaker 3: They need offense. Well, when's he coming back?

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Speaker 4: I think still?

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Speaker 5: But just a I mean, Riley's had a couple of

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Speaker 3: So far has been good.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Ozun has been really good.

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Speaker 2: It's crazy for a team that, you know, almost cut

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Speaker 3: Yes, I was just gonna say the Braves.

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Speaker 1: Braves deserve some credit for sticking by him and threw

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Speaker 4: Yeah. I would have. I would have abandoned ship.

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Speaker 5: A lot of people would have. They that's one of

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Speaker 4: Well, because it's not just I mean, it's mostly off

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Speaker 2: Yeah, people love they love that, but he's had bad

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Speaker 4: There's no doubt. We don't condone that.

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Speaker 3: The guy hit two against the White.

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Speaker 4: Tyler Soderstrom has eight homers.

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Speaker 3: Hit two, three run Jimmy's yesterday.

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Speaker 4: There's only one to watch. They're all bat first players.

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Speaker 3: If you not only will they find you, they'll find

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Speaker 5: They don't play defense. I can't play defense. Marcelo's in

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you bring it's bring your instead of bring your

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Speaker 1: Those games, there's like my hands would get like I

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Speaker 5: Yeah, there were certain places where I had to have

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Speaker 3: Work, and you can't go into the mound every pitch

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Speaker 5: So no, there's some hot places. Sacramento is gonna be

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Speaker 2: Well, just to clarify though, on Sacramento, they are going

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Speaker 5: There's been a lot of complaints in West Sacramento for

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but they were complaints leading up. They were they

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Speaker 5: They're playing one hundred and sixty games or something crazy

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Speaker 5: eighty one for the A's and what's seventy for the

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Speaker 5: are going to play there.

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Speaker 3: It's a lot of damn games.

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Speaker 1: That's nice of the for the Triple A team to

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Speaker 3: Now this year. Here's here's one thing I know one

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Speaker 5: When when the A's move out, does the minor league

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Speaker 5: It's minor league only. Does anyone know the answer that question,

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Speaker 3: I would hope they'd get to move into it. If

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Speaker 5: Then you got to move all the A stuff out.

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Speaker 5: See that's so if I'm a player on the a's,

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Speaker 5: I'm like my locker, I got it set up, you

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's two floors, So don't they have it set up?

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Speaker 4: We got to ask.

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Speaker 2: We'll get one of the guys on pretty soon and

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Speaker 2: we can ask him what the setups like, because we

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Speaker 5: Don't think sinks no, because we were at the age

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Speaker 4: Right, So we'll bother them.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we like to give everybody a little break and

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Speaker 5: Let's get on so Strom, Yeah, Soderstrom or Sodertrom soda Strom.

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Speaker 2: So like Soda Soderstrom. But yeah, I'll put him on

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Speaker 5: Ask how would they say that in Chicago? Kip cutter Strom.

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Speaker 2: few minutes on this match.

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Speaker 4: Shaw News. Let's charge.

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Speaker 2: Charge nice win for the Cubs, by the way, riding

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Speaker 2: showta Imanaga over the Padres.

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Speaker 4: Those are two good looking teams right now.

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Speaker 2: But before the game, our Patrick Mooney from Northside Territory

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Speaker 2: and the Athletic said they're demoting Matt Shaw. They're calling

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Speaker 2: Let's start with the headliner here, Matt Shaw, rookie debut

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Speaker 2: out in Tokyo. This is the guy to answer the

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Speaker 3: Kip.

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Speaker 2: They gave him sixteen games. He wasn't hitting. His defense

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Speaker 4: What do you think of this decision?

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Speaker 1: This is this is his first time up right, this

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Speaker 1: It's listen, there's a lot of guys. I don't think

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Speaker 1: I believe Jose Ramirez was sent back down. Sometimes it

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Speaker 3: But uh, it does.

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Speaker 1: It just doesn't happen for everybody right away. So it's

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Speaker 3: One hundred percent. But here's my things.

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Speaker 5: I said it, he's got such a funky swing and

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Speaker 5: there's ever been a bigger jump than ever from Triple

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Speaker 5: Because everyone has good stuff now they're in the big leagues.

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Speaker 5: They're not in Triple A.

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Speaker 5: There used to be a lot of dudes in Triple

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Speaker 3: I don't know.

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Speaker 5: I haven't been in Triple A, but I've heard there's

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Speaker 5: Defense is great, but the Cubs need him to hit

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Speaker 5: because he was brought on this team to be their

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Speaker 4: Should he work on his growing pains in the big league?

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Speaker 4: Some fans on that.

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Speaker 3: Team that's competing, okay, not on a team that's competing.

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Speaker 5: If you're on the White Sox, let them figure it

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Speaker 3: I mean, listen, MATCHA got off the bat. We've all

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Speaker 5: I got sent down numerous times I don't know about you,

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Speaker 5: but I got sent down. I mean, there's a million

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Speaker 3: You try again. If it doesn't work, go back and

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Speaker 4: M hm.

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Speaker 2: He was one seventy two average, two ninety four on

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Speaker 2: I always try to tell people. Also, just check out

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Speaker 4: It's all blue metrics. Yeah, everything on batting is.

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Speaker 4: So at least he's taken a few walks. Good.

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Speaker 2: But everything else is really blue, including even average exit velocity,

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Speaker 4: Eighty two point seven mile an hour.

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Speaker 3: Like he's not covering a lot of ground.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, he's not covering a lot of ground.

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Speaker 2: And it's not like they're looking at him going wow,

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Speaker 5: It wasn't screwed it up right, man, Whenever when you

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Speaker 3: I'll figure out hitting. Just don't screw it up.

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Speaker 5: Right. You were like, all right, let me just catch

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Speaker 1: That was my my motto my entire career on defense.

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Speaker 1: Don't don't don't be the weak link. Just make the

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Speaker 3: You go make the routine plays.

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Speaker 1: That's that should be your baseline as any big leaguer,

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Speaker 1: by the way, is making every routine play you that

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Speaker 2: The difference is now that the defensive metrics will still

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Speaker 3: That's see, That's why.

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Speaker 5: There's things that I mean, listen, I know there's people

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Speaker 3: I don't know who counts these metrics.

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Speaker 5: Because I can look at a guy and be like,

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Speaker 5: I know, we're gonna make every route. If there's a

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Speaker 3: My pitcher's got to have confidence. I'm sorry.

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Speaker 2: I think it's why there's some sloppier play sometimes now, too,

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Speaker 2: Kip because errors used to be basically the holy grail, like, oh,

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Speaker 6: Right?

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Speaker 2: Like the second baseman? This shorts up this third basement.

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Speaker 3: Then the thing is is guys that have more range

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Speaker 5: Because you get some more balls and you try more

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Speaker 3: You're all right.

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Speaker 5: But his range factor was zero. If you threw it

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Speaker 3: But you hit it in his area, you were out right.

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Speaker 3: They'll miss the one right too, like feet. Yeah, there

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and he's getting better at that, true, you know,

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Speaker 2: I know, but know like yeah, I mean, he's a

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Speaker 2: bit above average right now on his range to start

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Speaker 2: the season. He's got a sick arm too, that can

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Speaker 2: make up for some of that stuff. So but I

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Speaker 2: know what you're saying, now, what would a fan rather watch?

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Speaker 3: Depends depends on how many yours.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it depends depends on the threshold.

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Speaker 5: Again, Matt y'all's not there for his defense. They were

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Speaker 5: just opening his defense would be average, which has been.

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Speaker 5: He was there because he can hit, and that's why

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Speaker 5: they were like, we need this guy's with third basement

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Speaker 5: and he hasn't done that, or send him down to

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Speaker 5: make some adjustments. I mean, keV, I don't know if

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Speaker 5: you've seen this dude hit, but he he's like super

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Speaker 5: closed and has like a super like and he like

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Speaker 5: has his front toe way clothes. He's got a big

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Speaker 5: leg kick that kind of swings open. There's a lot

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Speaker 5: going on. That's a lot to time up of a

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Speaker 5: big lead hitter.

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Speaker 4: Mm hmm.

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Speaker 3: He had a weird start too. I mean, I'm not

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Speaker 3: to just completely defend him on everything. Sometimes you do

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Speaker 3: just got to hit.

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Speaker 1: But like you had the whole Japan's series, then you

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Speaker 1: had to, Like, he just had a bunch of stuff

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Speaker 1: to work with on this early on though, So I think, listen,

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Speaker 1: he's gonna catch his breath down there. He's got the

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Speaker 1: right mindset hopefully where it's not the end of the

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Speaker 1: world and he'll be back up here in due time.

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Speaker 3: It's gonna happen. Yeah. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Lastly, it shows the Cubs front office this year is

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Speaker 2: not messing around and it's not just that move, the

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Speaker 2: other moves too, Like they're making a lot.

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Speaker 3: Well, Pearson was supposed to be a big piece.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, Eli Morgan they traded for from some KI guardians

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Speaker 5: and he's hurt il So they're trying to they're trying

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Speaker 5: to shake it up because they're like, we're not doing

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Speaker 5: good enough.

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Speaker 3: I mean they're still fine.

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Speaker 2: First they need to make the playoffs this year though,

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Speaker 2: so they're like, we need to win at the margins

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Speaker 2: right now. We have a bullpen problem evenit that, you know,

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Speaker 2: with a high leverage guy who he thought he's going down,

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Speaker 2: we have a back end of the bullpen guy that

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Speaker 2: he's going down right now. If they've got replacements, which

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Speaker 2: they do, like Luke Little I think was pitching well.

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Speaker 2: So anyway, thoughts, if you're catching this afterward, let us

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Speaker 2: know drop it in the comments. North Side Territory is

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Speaker 2: all over this story. Patrick Mooney was one of the

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Speaker 2: ones to report it yesterday. Sah Day Sharma on with him.

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Speaker 2: Has Klie got the Athletic? Make sure you get the show.

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Speaker 2: It's awesome if you want your Cubs coverage or if

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Speaker 2: the Marlins radio broadcast posted by fish on First across

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Speaker 2: the Marlins minor league system. This season, every pitch is

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Speaker 2: being called from the dugout quote. They're taking that out

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Speaker 2: of the catcher's hands. It's giving the catchers an opportunity

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Speaker 2: to become better offensive players.

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Speaker 4: AJ, I can tell from your face how this one's

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Speaker 4: gonna go.

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Speaker 3: I mean, where do we start with this.

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Speaker 5: Every pitch is called in a little leg, every pitch

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Speaker 5: is called in high school, every pitch is calling in college.

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Speaker 5: Every this has been the one. This is a divider

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Speaker 5: for catchers. Can you call a game and get the

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Speaker 5: most out of your pitchers? The coach in the dugout

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Speaker 5: does not know what the pitcher has that day.

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Speaker 3: I am sorry.

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Speaker 5: The catcher with the experience that watches his pitcher can

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Speaker 5: tell how it hit or reacts. Sitting over in the dugout,

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Speaker 5: you cannot do that. And this is one of the

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Speaker 5: things Air Kratz said about PitchCom He's like, at some

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Speaker 5: point there's gonna be somebody sitting in the dugout calling

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Speaker 5: the pitches into the catcher's ear. And I have a

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Speaker 5: problem with this because it takes out the best part

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Speaker 5: of a catcher for a lot of people, and that

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Speaker 5: is being able to get your pitcher through extra innings

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Speaker 5: because you watch them and you know how, like especially starters,

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Speaker 5: we can get them deeper because we know what they have.

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Speaker 3: And oh, Jason Kittmus is coming up. It's a Greg

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Speaker 3: Maddock story.

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Speaker 5: I threw Jeff Bagwell a fastball one time, just because

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Speaker 5: I knew later on I was gonna have to face him,

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Speaker 5: and he think he's getting a fastball, and.

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Speaker 3: I punched him out changeups. Right.

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Speaker 5: There are times where I was catching and you can't

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Speaker 5: always run to a weakness. In the first inning, you say,

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Speaker 5: all right, well there's two outs, nobody's on. We have

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Speaker 5: Jason Kittmus coming up. Maybe we throw them that heater away.

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Speaker 5: He can get his single on so later in the

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Speaker 5: game we can go to the breaking ball.

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Speaker 3: Right.

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Speaker 5: These are parts of the game that you can't take away.

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Speaker 5: And one of the worst parts is why are we

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Speaker 5: calling these guys are professional baseball players. They should have

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Speaker 5: to study. That's one of the hardest parts about being

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Speaker 5: a catcher is not only the physical part. People say, oh,

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Speaker 5: you had to be so tired. I wasn't physically tired.

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Speaker 5: I was mentally worn out because you're in every pitch.

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Speaker 5: As soon as you take a pitch off, guess while

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Speaker 5: you're chasing it to the backstop and everyone's like, what

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Speaker 5: the hell's wrong with that Prazinski guy?

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Speaker 3: He sucks?

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Speaker 5: Right, you have to be locked in on every pitch,

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Speaker 5: on everything that's happening your pitcher, what he looks like,

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Speaker 5: what he has that day, because some days he might

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Speaker 5: have a great fastball, next day he might have a

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Speaker 5: good slider.

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Speaker 3: One day them I have nothing to get him through

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Speaker 3: six innings and you win and you go home.

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Speaker 5: You're like, damn, I did an amazing job today because

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Speaker 5: I got my starter through six innings and he didn't

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Speaker 5: have crap.

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Speaker 3: So I think this is awful. It's like the when

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Speaker 3: they tried to do the practice squad thing, Like this

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Speaker 3: is just awful.

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Speaker 4: They're trying to reinvent the game, but they're reinventing.

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Speaker 3: It the wrong way. I'm not a fan.

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Speaker 1: I don't have to say much that AJ didn't say,

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Speaker 1: but if they're not doing it up top either, Now,

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Speaker 1: this catcher doesn't have the experience from doing it much

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Speaker 1: if he's just been getting the pitches called for him.

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Speaker 1: Now he's going up to the big leagues without that

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Speaker 1: that experience of calling games or the experience of what

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Speaker 1: that pitcher who might progress with him has too. So

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Speaker 1: you're you're you're having him kind of reset when he

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Speaker 1: gets to the big leagues and he's now behind the

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Speaker 1: ball instead of ahead of the curve of knowing how

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Speaker 1: to call a game or with this certain pitcher.

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Speaker 3: So I don't I'm not a big fan of it.

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Speaker 3: And by the way, as far as affecting him, his

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Speaker 3: offense has one has nothing to do with the other one.

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Speaker 5: I'm sorry when by the time you get to you

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Speaker 5: learn in the minor leagues how to separate the two,

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Speaker 5: so when you get to the big leagues you can

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Speaker 5: do it. And the ones that can do it are

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Speaker 5: the ones that work out. The ones who can are

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Speaker 5: the ones that struggle on one side.

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Speaker 3: Or the other.

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Speaker 2: So when they get called up to the show, they're

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Speaker 2: gonna have no idea how to handle it exactly.

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Speaker 3: Nothing makes no sense right now.

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Speaker 2: You're I mean, maybe you think that's all gonna happen

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Speaker 2: in the future, right now you're not calling pitches from

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Speaker 2: the dugout, No, not pitch pitch.

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Speaker 3: They're sure. I don't think they'll ever allow that.

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Speaker 4: You don't.

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Speaker 3: I don't think so.

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Speaker 5: I mean they have the wristbands now, which pretty much

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Speaker 5: tells him what to call anyways. But if they start

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Speaker 5: doing that, there's something that we need to reevalue. What

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Speaker 5: we're doing is baseball doing it in high school high schools. Fine,

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Speaker 5: I get high school like very fortunate. My son is

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Speaker 5: called every pitch of his entire high school career. The

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Speaker 5: coaches he's out and said, all right, you do it.

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Speaker 5: If you make a mistake, we'll talk about it. He's

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Speaker 5: made mistakes. I've tied some conversations, but you learn. And

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Speaker 5: now he's like, oh, and I watched the game again.

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Speaker 5: But it's Don Cooper, who was our pitching coach. We

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Speaker 5: want two thousand and five, long time pitching coach. He

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Speaker 5: used to look at me and go, you know, why'd

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Speaker 5: you call this pitch in this situation? I'm like, Coop,

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Speaker 5: this isn't this isn't PlayStation. I can't hit X and

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Speaker 5: make it go here and Y and Z and da

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Speaker 5: da da da, I go if you want to call

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Speaker 5: the games here, fastball, curveball, slider, change up and he's like,

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Speaker 5: I don't want that pressure on me.

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Speaker 3: I'm like exactly, then shut the hell up right, like.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, this is what makes the catcher a quarterback. Yes,

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Speaker 4: I'm all for it. Yeah, I don't think they should

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Speaker 4: do it.

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Speaker 2: Plus what if your pitcher shake and then you're on

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Speaker 2: a pitch clock you don't run out of time.

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Speaker 3: I don't know.

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Speaker 2: This sounds like a mess. Yeah, taking that away from

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Speaker 2: a player getting paid to play ball.

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Speaker 4: Mess. Hey we've got a winner.

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Speaker 3: Who is it?

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Speaker 2: So the IG handle is Jeffrey Merman ten. Congratulations Jeffrey A.

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Speaker 4: You're gonna look them up.

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Speaker 2: Then DM Adidas giveaway winner Jeffrey Merriman. So the question

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Speaker 2: was simple, who's your favorite player? And you had to

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Speaker 2: like and then comment on Twitter or Instagram and yes

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Speaker 2: it's X but I call Twitter and Jeffrey, you got

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Speaker 2: randomly selected from our generator. So congratulations, send us your

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Speaker 2: size and we'll try and do more of these, and

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Speaker 2: if you have any suggestions for things you want us

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Speaker 2: to do as far as giveaways, go for it.

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Speaker 4: But the new Julios looked sick, soap we gave out

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Speaker 4: a pair and.

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Speaker 3: Who's going to be mad? This kid's in high school

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Speaker 3: just us. You get these? No, it's awesome, and you go,

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Speaker 3: that's awesome.

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Speaker 7: H eight.

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Speaker 3: I don't know where that is.

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Speaker 5: But so he's a young youngster. But my daughter is

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Speaker 5: gonna be mad because she she entered she didn't put

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Speaker 5: me as her favorite player.

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00:26:08,280 --> 00:26:11,480
Speaker 3: So, well, what size.

662
00:26:13,160 --> 00:26:14,960
Speaker 4: They try this out?

663
00:26:15,560 --> 00:26:17,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's not actually fitter. I don't know when she's

664
00:26:17,119 --> 00:26:20,600
Speaker 3: wear That's what I'm saying. Kip Ki, you were a

665
00:26:20,680 --> 00:26:22,240
Speaker 3: Nike together, right? Yeah?

666
00:26:23,480 --> 00:26:27,240
Speaker 5: These are nice though, these are nice flowers, these bottoms,

667
00:26:27,960 --> 00:26:29,000
Speaker 5: I mean, these things are so light.

668
00:26:29,080 --> 00:26:30,840
Speaker 3: Look I can even almost hold them up with one finger.

669
00:26:30,920 --> 00:26:34,200
Speaker 3: But I gotta go too. Are they soft on tap?

670
00:26:34,840 --> 00:26:37,720
Speaker 3: They're super soft? Yes, I almost never liked that. I

671
00:26:37,840 --> 00:26:41,040
Speaker 3: kind of liked having the laces in the tongue part. Well,

672
00:26:41,080 --> 00:26:46,840
Speaker 3: these have the God, I don't ever recognize you anymore. Yeah, there,

673
00:26:47,119 --> 00:26:51,120
Speaker 3: you could have two bases or Kip, Yeah, cool.

674
00:26:53,520 --> 00:26:53,760
Speaker 4: It is.

675
00:26:54,000 --> 00:26:56,600
Speaker 2: It is real quick here because we won't have time

676
00:26:56,640 --> 00:26:59,600
Speaker 2: for it anywhere else. Did you see Alec Bom making

677
00:26:59,640 --> 00:27:00,160
Speaker 2: a little.

678
00:27:01,480 --> 00:27:02,040
Speaker 4: Joke with this.

679
00:27:03,680 --> 00:27:06,720
Speaker 2: Yeah he didn't get ejected either, which I thought was

680
00:27:06,800 --> 00:27:10,440
Speaker 2: going to be a thing, not yet here it is.

681
00:27:10,520 --> 00:27:13,920
Speaker 4: We got video of it. Pitch is called a strike,

682
00:27:14,080 --> 00:27:16,200
Speaker 4: it was not, and he tapped and looked at him.

683
00:27:16,960 --> 00:27:21,479
Speaker 2: They looked like the ump might have said something back, like, oh,

684
00:27:21,560 --> 00:27:22,840
Speaker 2: he said, don't tap your helmet.

685
00:27:22,920 --> 00:27:24,040
Speaker 4: Apparently he did, and.

686
00:27:24,119 --> 00:27:28,400
Speaker 5: He's like time out and he won helmet. I would

687
00:27:28,400 --> 00:27:30,240
Speaker 5: have been like, I'm just adjusting it. There's something wrong.

688
00:27:30,320 --> 00:27:32,840
Speaker 3: I don't know something I would have done. I for

689
00:27:32,960 --> 00:27:34,960
Speaker 3: sure would have done that too, probably mm hmmm.

690
00:27:35,280 --> 00:27:37,240
Speaker 2: They all know it's coming too. I mean, it's happening

691
00:27:37,320 --> 00:27:40,320
Speaker 2: next year. But that was the night yes after J. T.

692
00:27:40,480 --> 00:27:45,280
Speaker 2: Real Newto got worked on a called strike that at

693
00:27:45,320 --> 00:27:46,960
Speaker 2: the time was a pivotal time in the game.

694
00:27:47,720 --> 00:27:50,160
Speaker 1: It's surprised the Empire said something. They have such thick skin.

695
00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:55,320
Speaker 3: All right.

696
00:27:55,359 --> 00:27:57,240
Speaker 4: We're diving into more articles this year.

697
00:27:57,480 --> 00:28:01,600
Speaker 2: So there's one in The Athletic about quality control, Coach,

698
00:28:01,760 --> 00:28:06,320
Speaker 2: Pitching Strategist, and many more titles that have been created

699
00:28:06,480 --> 00:28:09,679
Speaker 2: in baseball and the topic of title inflation. Dennis lan

700
00:28:09,760 --> 00:28:12,920
Speaker 2: Zach Maizell, and zam Blum all working on it, and

701
00:28:13,160 --> 00:28:16,120
Speaker 2: there were some jokes about the show the office in there.

702
00:28:16,400 --> 00:28:19,840
Speaker 2: But things have really changed in your classic six person

703
00:28:20,040 --> 00:28:23,520
Speaker 2: coaching staff with the bench coach, hitting coach, pitching coach,

704
00:28:23,600 --> 00:28:26,639
Speaker 2: first base, third base ballpen, whatever is gone.

705
00:28:27,400 --> 00:28:29,479
Speaker 4: I don't think any team just has that. But then

706
00:28:29,560 --> 00:28:30,399
Speaker 4: some of the titles that.

707
00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:34,280
Speaker 2: You get these days, strategistic performance and data integration with

708
00:28:34,400 --> 00:28:36,919
Speaker 2: the Marlins, about the Red Sox with a game planning

709
00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:40,720
Speaker 2: and run prevention coach. You've got your Major League field coordinator,

710
00:28:40,800 --> 00:28:44,360
Speaker 2: director of defense based running and strategy, or someone with

711
00:28:44,440 --> 00:28:45,600
Speaker 2: that role with the Guardians.

712
00:28:45,840 --> 00:28:48,440
Speaker 4: So, Kip, what do you think of all these fancy

713
00:28:48,480 --> 00:28:49,320
Speaker 4: schmancy titles.

714
00:28:50,720 --> 00:28:53,040
Speaker 1: I'm not saying they're not useful, and I'm not saying

715
00:28:53,040 --> 00:28:54,720
Speaker 1: they don't have a purpose. It just seems like you're

716
00:28:54,760 --> 00:28:58,600
Speaker 1: adding a middleman to some stuff that should already have

717
00:28:58,720 --> 00:29:02,520
Speaker 1: been done or it can be checked off by the

718
00:29:02,920 --> 00:29:04,680
Speaker 1: group as a whole, the team as a whole, or

719
00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:06,920
Speaker 1: the staff as a whole. So but I'm not saying

720
00:29:06,920 --> 00:29:09,760
Speaker 1: that there isn't a usage for them by any means.

721
00:29:09,920 --> 00:29:14,920
Speaker 1: I think it's just you're you're adding a job for someone.

722
00:29:17,280 --> 00:29:18,320
Speaker 3: I don't know thel what.

723
00:29:18,400 --> 00:29:20,440
Speaker 1: They do because they weren't there when we played, so

724
00:29:21,920 --> 00:29:23,760
Speaker 1: you can describe them to me some more. But it

725
00:29:23,960 --> 00:29:26,800
Speaker 1: just seems like it's stuff that's whether it's common sense

726
00:29:26,960 --> 00:29:30,880
Speaker 1: or to the analytical side, the strategist stuff that could

727
00:29:30,920 --> 00:29:33,960
Speaker 1: be just front office stuff that maybe is useful, but

728
00:29:34,400 --> 00:29:37,600
Speaker 1: otherwise it seems like stuff that should already be if

729
00:29:37,640 --> 00:29:39,400
Speaker 1: you have a high standard or a good locker room,

730
00:29:39,400 --> 00:29:40,400
Speaker 1: should already be taken care of.

731
00:29:41,840 --> 00:29:44,200
Speaker 2: Aj It is time for people to get some new clubs,

732
00:29:44,320 --> 00:29:45,880
Speaker 2: and to do that, they need to go to their

733
00:29:45,920 --> 00:29:47,640
Speaker 2: local PXG for a fitting, right.

734
00:29:48,440 --> 00:29:48,800
Speaker 3: No doubt.

735
00:29:49,040 --> 00:29:51,280
Speaker 5: I was there today. I've been there before. Last time

736
00:29:51,320 --> 00:29:53,000
Speaker 5: I was there, they gave me this killer gap weed.

737
00:29:53,040 --> 00:29:55,480
Speaker 5: You look at that sweet spot, Scott, it is worn out.

738
00:29:55,560 --> 00:29:57,400
Speaker 5: That is right in the sweet spot right there. So

739
00:29:57,480 --> 00:30:00,640
Speaker 5: I went and got new clubs today, new irons. More importantly,

740
00:30:00,680 --> 00:30:02,400
Speaker 5: I got this bad boy. I got me a new putter.

741
00:30:02,480 --> 00:30:03,200
Speaker 5: This is my old putter.

742
00:30:03,280 --> 00:30:03,760
Speaker 3: It's on order.

743
00:30:03,840 --> 00:30:06,640
Speaker 5: Yes, that's my putter cover PXG Mustang putter. Now I'm

744
00:30:06,680 --> 00:30:08,440
Speaker 5: going to the Allen putter. They talked me into it

745
00:30:08,480 --> 00:30:11,560
Speaker 5: because I was draining some putts today. Bob, the guy

746
00:30:11,600 --> 00:30:13,360
Speaker 5: who helped me out, he helped me with my irons.

747
00:30:13,640 --> 00:30:15,880
Speaker 5: He got them ted up perfectly. But then we went

748
00:30:15,920 --> 00:30:17,520
Speaker 5: to the putt and Green. I was draining them putts

749
00:30:17,520 --> 00:30:19,040
Speaker 5: because that's the most important part of golf.

750
00:30:19,400 --> 00:30:21,240
Speaker 4: PXG fittings are fun.

751
00:30:21,720 --> 00:30:24,080
Speaker 2: Schedule you're fitting today as you can hear from AJ

752
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Speaker 2: for a limited time, you could save up to twenty

753
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Speaker 2: percent on your entire order.

754
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Speaker 4: Head over to pxg dot com slash foul. That's pxg

755
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Speaker 4: dot com slash foul to save up to twenty percent

756
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Speaker 4: on your entire order. Pxg dot com slash foul restrictions apply.

757
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Speaker 4: See site for details.

758
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Speaker 5: It's just more voices in the player's ear right, more things,

759
00:30:45,200 --> 00:30:47,840
Speaker 5: and more voices as the manager, more voices to talk about.

760
00:30:48,520 --> 00:30:50,640
Speaker 5: I mean, god forbid, I always laugh about this. I

761
00:30:50,680 --> 00:30:51,680
Speaker 5: don't know how it was when you were in the

762
00:30:51,720 --> 00:30:54,480
Speaker 5: minor league, Skip, but we had a manager, a pitching coach,

763
00:30:54,680 --> 00:30:57,000
Speaker 5: a hitting coach, and a trainer and that was it.

764
00:30:57,720 --> 00:31:01,120
Speaker 5: That was it, man, A man, you're a pitching coach,

765
00:31:01,160 --> 00:31:03,080
Speaker 5: a hitting coach, and a trainer. Now that was the

766
00:31:03,120 --> 00:31:03,680
Speaker 5: whole staff.

767
00:31:04,480 --> 00:31:06,959
Speaker 3: And we're like, man, how did we ever survive?

768
00:31:07,080 --> 00:31:08,560
Speaker 4: Don't you think it's better now? I mean, I mean

769
00:31:08,640 --> 00:31:09,960
Speaker 4: it's better, but now they have.

770
00:31:10,080 --> 00:31:12,040
Speaker 5: Like I mean, in a ball they have like twelve

771
00:31:12,080 --> 00:31:15,760
Speaker 5: different coaches, you know, a mental coach of a first base,

772
00:31:16,040 --> 00:31:19,360
Speaker 5: hitting coach assistant, pitching coach assistant it right, which is great,

773
00:31:19,440 --> 00:31:22,960
Speaker 5: it's more jobs in baseball, but also, I mean how many?

774
00:31:23,080 --> 00:31:26,360
Speaker 5: And then this this all kind of started with the Giants,

775
00:31:26,400 --> 00:31:28,840
Speaker 5: didn't it with with Gabe Kapler having a lot of coaches,

776
00:31:28,840 --> 00:31:30,400
Speaker 5: and then other teams have taken off, and like, I

777
00:31:30,440 --> 00:31:32,200
Speaker 5: think it's what Kip said, it's just a way to

778
00:31:32,240 --> 00:31:33,840
Speaker 5: give more people job. Oh, I have a friend, he

779
00:31:33,920 --> 00:31:36,800
Speaker 5: needs a job. Let's give him Offensive coordinator Joe Wake.

780
00:31:36,840 --> 00:31:37,600
Speaker 3: What does that even mean?

781
00:31:37,640 --> 00:31:39,280
Speaker 5: You ask him and they're like, well, just I'm in

782
00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:41,160
Speaker 5: meetings and I give my advice here and there, and

783
00:31:41,640 --> 00:31:43,920
Speaker 5: it's just another voice to have around. And you know,

784
00:31:44,720 --> 00:31:47,480
Speaker 5: my favorite is this one game planning and run prevention coach.

785
00:31:47,600 --> 00:31:49,320
Speaker 5: Wasn't that the name of the game is run prevent?

786
00:31:49,440 --> 00:31:52,080
Speaker 5: And I think I might be Veritech, but isn't run

787
00:31:52,120 --> 00:31:54,200
Speaker 5: prevention coach? Like, isn't that your whole job is to

788
00:31:54,200 --> 00:31:56,200
Speaker 5: prevent them from scoring runs if you're on defense.

789
00:31:56,320 --> 00:31:58,880
Speaker 2: It sounds better than just you know, assistant or something

790
00:31:58,960 --> 00:32:02,000
Speaker 2: like yeah it's fancy time, Yeah, it's fancy titles. But right,

791
00:32:02,160 --> 00:32:05,040
Speaker 2: if you're creating jobs, And I do remember last year

792
00:32:05,120 --> 00:32:07,760
Speaker 2: a great article late in the season from Katie Wu

793
00:32:07,880 --> 00:32:09,560
Speaker 2: for The Athletic who also is the host of our

794
00:32:09,600 --> 00:32:13,120
Speaker 2: Cardinals show Cardinal Territory, and she touched on how the

795
00:32:13,280 --> 00:32:16,280
Speaker 2: Cardinals had, you know, kind of downsized some of their

796
00:32:16,360 --> 00:32:20,360
Speaker 2: instructional coaching and some of the development around the players

797
00:32:20,400 --> 00:32:22,120
Speaker 2: that they had, and that they were going to ramp

798
00:32:22,160 --> 00:32:23,600
Speaker 2: that back up, which they've been doing.

799
00:32:24,120 --> 00:32:24,160
Speaker 3: So.

800
00:32:24,720 --> 00:32:26,640
Speaker 2: I do want to make sure that if we're picking

801
00:32:26,720 --> 00:32:28,960
Speaker 2: one side of the line or the other, we clarify

802
00:32:29,320 --> 00:32:32,240
Speaker 2: everyone on your own. But for me, I would rather

803
00:32:32,360 --> 00:32:35,640
Speaker 2: have twelve coaches in the miners and with a certain

804
00:32:35,680 --> 00:32:38,800
Speaker 2: team than four. You know, I do think one person

805
00:32:38,880 --> 00:32:41,440
Speaker 2: connecting with one player on one note can be helpful

806
00:32:41,480 --> 00:32:45,040
Speaker 2: as long as there's not information overload. But having more voices,

807
00:32:45,080 --> 00:32:47,360
Speaker 2: like AJ said, generally is a good thing.

808
00:32:47,720 --> 00:32:50,320
Speaker 3: Right, you're saying having more voices is generally a good thing.

809
00:32:50,640 --> 00:32:52,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know there's a line, but I'm saying, like

810
00:32:53,080 --> 00:32:54,720
Speaker 2: you know, I just want to make sure we clarify

811
00:32:55,040 --> 00:32:58,800
Speaker 2: that we shouldn't go back to having just four or five,

812
00:32:58,920 --> 00:32:59,920
Speaker 2: six coaches or whatever.

813
00:33:00,560 --> 00:33:03,080
Speaker 5: Well, the only problem is is sometimes there's too many voices.

814
00:33:03,080 --> 00:33:05,320
Speaker 5: I think Kibble agree me. You can have too many

815
00:33:05,400 --> 00:33:06,000
Speaker 5: voices in your.

816
00:33:05,960 --> 00:33:07,760
Speaker 4: Ear, but can't you as a player, you just tell

817
00:33:07,840 --> 00:33:09,480
Speaker 4: certain voices not and I know you.

818
00:33:09,520 --> 00:33:11,320
Speaker 3: Can't because guys have a hard time because you want

819
00:33:11,360 --> 00:33:12,600
Speaker 3: to please everybody. Tell them kip.

820
00:33:12,680 --> 00:33:14,160
Speaker 5: Like that's one of the big things that players have

821
00:33:14,240 --> 00:33:16,440
Speaker 5: to learn is it's your career and you got to

822
00:33:16,480 --> 00:33:19,400
Speaker 5: do what you do. And sometimes there's there's people that

823
00:33:19,440 --> 00:33:20,479
Speaker 5: will come up to you and they want to put

824
00:33:20,480 --> 00:33:21,240
Speaker 5: their stamp.

825
00:33:21,000 --> 00:33:24,440
Speaker 3: On you and you're like nah dog and yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,

826
00:33:24,560 --> 00:33:26,200
Speaker 3: but it goes whoop. Do you have to learn that?

827
00:33:26,520 --> 00:33:27,880
Speaker 4: Mm hmm. Oh.

828
00:33:28,000 --> 00:33:30,680
Speaker 1: I've had there's like three different people that have taken

829
00:33:30,720 --> 00:33:32,600
Speaker 1: credit for the change of me pointing the bat back,

830
00:33:32,800 --> 00:33:35,280
Speaker 1: and like, I've had other players come up to me

831
00:33:35,360 --> 00:33:37,040
Speaker 1: and tell me that, like once they're on different teams,

832
00:33:37,040 --> 00:33:38,880
Speaker 1: they're like, oh no, he tells everybody he created that

833
00:33:38,960 --> 00:33:39,200
Speaker 1: for you.

834
00:33:39,280 --> 00:33:40,320
Speaker 3: And I was like, I don't even know who this

835
00:33:40,400 --> 00:33:40,800
Speaker 3: guy is.

836
00:33:40,960 --> 00:33:43,400
Speaker 1: But no, like I said, there is usage for some

837
00:33:43,520 --> 00:33:46,560
Speaker 1: of these There is absolute, clear, defined usage and it

838
00:33:46,680 --> 00:33:48,600
Speaker 1: is helpful. But what AJ and I are trying to

839
00:33:48,600 --> 00:33:50,640
Speaker 1: say is there there could be too many cooks in

840
00:33:50,680 --> 00:33:54,160
Speaker 1: the kitchen sometimes and sometimes at some point you just

841
00:33:54,240 --> 00:33:56,440
Speaker 1: have to be like, screw it. I'm going to do

842
00:33:56,480 --> 00:33:57,960
Speaker 1: it myself or do it my way. If I'm going

843
00:33:58,000 --> 00:33:59,480
Speaker 1: to go out, I'm going out my way.

844
00:34:00,640 --> 00:34:03,680
Speaker 2: The one thing I heard from teams is that they've

845
00:34:03,920 --> 00:34:08,839
Speaker 2: significantly expanded their hitting coach plan because some players really

846
00:34:08,880 --> 00:34:12,760
Speaker 2: connect with a certain person or style, and they're supposed

847
00:34:12,760 --> 00:34:15,000
Speaker 2: to be okay with saying like he's my guy, right,

848
00:34:15,200 --> 00:34:18,720
Speaker 2: I'm going to work with him more than with this person.

849
00:34:18,800 --> 00:34:21,439
Speaker 2: I know that there's politics involved with that, because certain

850
00:34:21,520 --> 00:34:23,120
Speaker 2: hitting coaches want to be able to point to the

851
00:34:23,200 --> 00:34:25,360
Speaker 2: star players and be like I helped him. But do

852
00:34:25,440 --> 00:34:27,719
Speaker 2: you think that's the right way to do things? AJ

853
00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:30,759
Speaker 2: is say, have three or four different people in your

854
00:34:30,840 --> 00:34:31,800
Speaker 2: hitting coach department.

855
00:34:31,920 --> 00:34:34,000
Speaker 5: A couple of things here. One Hawk Harrison when he

856
00:34:34,080 --> 00:34:35,440
Speaker 5: was JAM he was way ahead of this because he

857
00:34:35,480 --> 00:34:38,399
Speaker 5: wanted to have a power hitting coach in a hitting

858
00:34:38,640 --> 00:34:40,600
Speaker 5: like a base hit hitting coach back when he was GM,

859
00:34:40,719 --> 00:34:42,640
Speaker 5: Like I don't know in the eighties early eighties of

860
00:34:42,640 --> 00:34:45,400
Speaker 5: White Sox, he was told no White Sox. When I

861
00:34:45,480 --> 00:34:46,879
Speaker 5: was at the White Sox, we had a hitting coach,

862
00:34:46,920 --> 00:34:48,839
Speaker 5: Greg Walker, and then he had he was the first guy.

863
00:34:48,880 --> 00:34:51,120
Speaker 5: He had an asist named Mike Gllinger, and he was awesome,

864
00:34:51,280 --> 00:34:52,640
Speaker 5: and we all worked with him, and he's still in

865
00:34:52,680 --> 00:34:56,640
Speaker 5: the organization. Greg Walker leaves, we get a new hitting coach,

866
00:34:56,760 --> 00:34:59,200
Speaker 5: Jeff Manto. He doesn't want us to work with Gelly,

867
00:35:00,200 --> 00:35:01,920
Speaker 5: and so Kaneriko and I were like, hey, we want

868
00:35:01,960 --> 00:35:03,360
Speaker 5: to work with Gelly. We've been working with them for

869
00:35:03,600 --> 00:35:05,520
Speaker 5: I was there those my eighth year seven years now.

870
00:35:05,800 --> 00:35:08,520
Speaker 5: And he's like, yes, but only you two. And we're like,

871
00:35:08,560 --> 00:35:10,640
Speaker 5: well what about They're like, no, they work with me.

872
00:35:10,760 --> 00:35:13,279
Speaker 5: You guys get them and you guys can go to him.

873
00:35:13,280 --> 00:35:15,759
Speaker 3: We're like great. Paul and I were like sweet, like

874
00:35:15,800 --> 00:35:18,640
Speaker 3: to those other dudes, like yeah, that's the guy we want.

875
00:35:18,600 --> 00:35:20,759
Speaker 5: Right so, you know, and now he's you know, he's

876
00:35:20,800 --> 00:35:22,840
Speaker 5: still in the organization. He's he's been in the organization

877
00:35:22,920 --> 00:35:25,920
Speaker 5: the whole time. But yeah, egos get involved. Man, Like

878
00:35:25,960 --> 00:35:28,120
Speaker 5: if you're the main hitting coach and the player goes,

879
00:35:28,120 --> 00:35:29,520
Speaker 5: I don't want to hit with you, I want to

880
00:35:29,560 --> 00:35:30,439
Speaker 5: hit with this other dude.

881
00:35:30,680 --> 00:35:34,120
Speaker 3: Hitting coaches have egos. They get mad. I mean, it's

882
00:35:34,200 --> 00:35:36,160
Speaker 3: it's a fact, it's it's Cuban nature.

883
00:35:36,760 --> 00:35:41,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, they do have egos one hundred percent. But I

884
00:35:41,080 --> 00:35:43,319
Speaker 1: don't mind them having one or two options because there

885
00:35:43,360 --> 00:35:46,160
Speaker 1: are guys that speak you're a hitting language. There are

886
00:35:46,200 --> 00:35:47,880
Speaker 1: guys who understand what you're trying to say or what

887
00:35:47,920 --> 00:35:49,799
Speaker 1: you're trying to do better than maybe the other guy.

888
00:35:49,920 --> 00:35:52,320
Speaker 1: There's also both of them throw VP. There might be

889
00:35:52,360 --> 00:35:53,960
Speaker 1: a guy I never want to hit in his group

890
00:35:54,040 --> 00:35:55,960
Speaker 1: or his cage because he just carves me up or

891
00:35:56,000 --> 00:35:58,359
Speaker 1: it gets me. The one guy makes me feel great

892
00:35:58,400 --> 00:35:59,960
Speaker 1: going into a game, and one guy has me quite

893
00:36:00,280 --> 00:36:02,000
Speaker 1: everything because he broke one of my bats in a

894
00:36:02,080 --> 00:36:04,160
Speaker 1: cage because he jammed me so bad every time. So

895
00:36:04,239 --> 00:36:06,560
Speaker 1: there's different guys like I understand having options.

896
00:36:06,600 --> 00:36:07,799
Speaker 3: I think I don't mind that so much.

897
00:36:09,680 --> 00:36:11,400
Speaker 4: The thing that comes to mind for me too is

898
00:36:11,480 --> 00:36:14,120
Speaker 4: then the personal hitting coaches. On top of that.

899
00:36:14,400 --> 00:36:16,160
Speaker 2: Do you remember the key Brian Hayes story. It was

900
00:36:16,160 --> 00:36:18,040
Speaker 2: our first year of FT and we covered it late

901
00:36:18,280 --> 00:36:21,520
Speaker 2: in the season. I'm looking back now. Hayes was secretly

902
00:36:21,600 --> 00:36:24,120
Speaker 2: working in August at a private hitting facility in Pittsburgh

903
00:36:24,160 --> 00:36:26,840
Speaker 2: with Joe Nunneley, former Big leaguer and a double A

904
00:36:26,960 --> 00:36:30,400
Speaker 2: hitting coach, and he was like, it's my career right,

905
00:36:30,440 --> 00:36:32,719
Speaker 2: and whatever he was getting elsewhere he wasn't liking, and

906
00:36:32,800 --> 00:36:34,719
Speaker 2: that was his guy and he took off a little

907
00:36:34,760 --> 00:36:37,759
Speaker 2: bit and they fired, not only at the end of

908
00:36:37,840 --> 00:36:38,240
Speaker 2: the season.

909
00:36:39,040 --> 00:36:41,480
Speaker 1: Wasn't that Like Tom Brady has his own personal trainer

910
00:36:41,520 --> 00:36:44,800
Speaker 1: and stuff a problem and little things on the outside.

911
00:36:45,840 --> 00:36:48,200
Speaker 3: No offense givet Tom Brady to Cabrian Hayes is a

912
00:36:48,239 --> 00:36:53,640
Speaker 3: little bit of a agreed.

913
00:36:53,719 --> 00:36:57,240
Speaker 5: I mean Barry Bonds, Barry Bonds had his own everything.

914
00:36:57,360 --> 00:36:59,680
Speaker 5: I mean, I mean Barry Bond would take VP and

915
00:36:59,719 --> 00:37:02,200
Speaker 5: he'd go and he's sitting a recliner after VP and

916
00:37:02,239 --> 00:37:04,000
Speaker 5: he falls asleep, and you have one guy rubbing his head,

917
00:37:04,040 --> 00:37:05,800
Speaker 5: one guy rubbing his feet while he's sleeping, and the

918
00:37:05,840 --> 00:37:07,600
Speaker 5: rest of us, you know, coming from BP sweating and

919
00:37:08,000 --> 00:37:11,960
Speaker 5: he's as a dude rubbing his head, rubbing his feet, right,

920
00:37:12,040 --> 00:37:13,719
Speaker 5: But then he had his own VP guy like, which

921
00:37:13,800 --> 00:37:14,160
Speaker 5: is fine.

922
00:37:14,200 --> 00:37:14,920
Speaker 3: He's Barry Bonds.

923
00:37:14,920 --> 00:37:15,799
Speaker 4: He can do whatever you want.

924
00:37:16,040 --> 00:37:19,000
Speaker 3: You can't do that, you know, I mean, yeah, you

925
00:37:19,120 --> 00:37:20,759
Speaker 3: have to get it clear, I think with.

926
00:37:20,800 --> 00:37:23,319
Speaker 5: The organization first in order to do these kind of things.

927
00:37:23,360 --> 00:37:25,880
Speaker 5: But organizations are much more open. Listen, as long as

928
00:37:25,880 --> 00:37:27,520
Speaker 5: you hit and as long as you perform, we don't.

929
00:37:27,320 --> 00:37:28,000
Speaker 3: Really care what you do.

930
00:37:28,320 --> 00:37:31,520
Speaker 4: No, they want performance, or they should want performance. At

931
00:37:31,520 --> 00:37:32,160
Speaker 4: the end of the day.

932
00:37:32,520 --> 00:37:35,160
Speaker 2: All right, good topic, it was fun. Any other articles

933
00:37:35,200 --> 00:37:37,200
Speaker 2: that fans catch and you want us to slice up?

934
00:37:37,360 --> 00:37:39,000
Speaker 4: Let us know it's a lot.

935
00:37:39,160 --> 00:37:42,200
Speaker 2: It's too much. What do MLB players do with all

936
00:37:42,280 --> 00:37:46,200
Speaker 2: their stuff? Our friend Bridge Roli puts this together, and

937
00:37:47,480 --> 00:37:50,440
Speaker 2: a lot of players obviously give stuff out or when

938
00:37:50,480 --> 00:37:52,640
Speaker 2: they move on to a new team member. The one

939
00:37:52,719 --> 00:37:56,600
Speaker 2: guy who was criticized, who was bringing the bag into

940
00:37:56,640 --> 00:37:59,319
Speaker 2: his first day at camp was a magical Yeah, Nick

941
00:37:59,440 --> 00:38:02,640
Speaker 2: Madrigal going to Mets camp literally first day there, and

942
00:38:02,800 --> 00:38:06,000
Speaker 2: obviously pictures are taking everyone people, where's your Mets up

943
00:38:06,080 --> 00:38:09,880
Speaker 2: trader or was it Cubs? Probably bag that he was holding.

944
00:38:10,040 --> 00:38:14,520
Speaker 2: I'm like, relax, So anyway, Kip, you're up first. You

945
00:38:14,560 --> 00:38:16,240
Speaker 2: get a lot of free stuff when you're a player.

946
00:38:16,320 --> 00:38:17,279
Speaker 2: What happens to all of it?

947
00:38:18,160 --> 00:38:21,520
Speaker 1: This kind of premise or this conversation is what led

948
00:38:21,560 --> 00:38:23,319
Speaker 1: me to do that shoe toss. I would do after

949
00:38:23,400 --> 00:38:27,160
Speaker 1: each season where I literally it was too much stuff.

950
00:38:27,239 --> 00:38:29,279
Speaker 1: So I at the end of every season, I would

951
00:38:29,360 --> 00:38:31,680
Speaker 1: clear out my lockers and if I kept maybe one

952
00:38:31,800 --> 00:38:34,560
Speaker 1: pair of gamers or a few bats to hit for

953
00:38:34,600 --> 00:38:37,480
Speaker 1: the next offseason or something like that, but everything else

954
00:38:37,520 --> 00:38:39,160
Speaker 1: I didn't have a place for it, and just like

955
00:38:39,280 --> 00:38:41,959
Speaker 1: it was a turning of the page. So I would

956
00:38:42,040 --> 00:38:43,359
Speaker 1: hand it out to all the fans at the end

957
00:38:43,400 --> 00:38:46,360
Speaker 1: of every season, and I would do that. The jerseys

958
00:38:46,360 --> 00:38:47,960
Speaker 1: I would keep just because I think I would have

959
00:38:48,080 --> 00:38:50,800
Speaker 1: those for others for trades or to family members or

960
00:38:51,280 --> 00:38:54,160
Speaker 1: friends and stuff like that, or throughout the off season.

961
00:38:54,160 --> 00:38:55,600
Speaker 1: I'm sure AJ had this too, where it's like you

962
00:38:55,680 --> 00:38:57,799
Speaker 1: get request or hey, can you send a jersey for us?

963
00:38:58,320 --> 00:38:59,520
Speaker 1: So now I have it on and I could just

964
00:38:59,560 --> 00:39:01,640
Speaker 1: send it out to sign it from there, so jersey's

965
00:39:01,640 --> 00:39:02,800
Speaker 1: I would keep. Equipment.

966
00:39:03,160 --> 00:39:07,799
Speaker 3: See yuah, look new equipment the next year. Yeah.

967
00:39:08,320 --> 00:39:12,040
Speaker 5: Well so I as a catcher, I used to get

968
00:39:12,040 --> 00:39:13,399
Speaker 5: a ton of stuff. I used to give it away

969
00:39:13,560 --> 00:39:15,640
Speaker 5: to the high school, local high school here in Orlando.

970
00:39:15,680 --> 00:39:17,319
Speaker 5: There's still people that come up to me and like, dude,

971
00:39:17,320 --> 00:39:18,760
Speaker 5: I used your gear in high school.

972
00:39:18,920 --> 00:39:19,520
Speaker 3: They're old.

973
00:39:19,600 --> 00:39:20,359
Speaker 4: Now that's cool.

974
00:39:20,560 --> 00:39:22,160
Speaker 3: There's a guy who was a pitcher. He pitched in

975
00:39:22,160 --> 00:39:23,759
Speaker 3: the Rockies organization. He was a lefty. He went to

976
00:39:23,800 --> 00:39:26,600
Speaker 3: Olympic Gosh, I cannot remember wand Wan tell him I think.

977
00:39:26,520 --> 00:39:26,960
Speaker 1: His name is.

978
00:39:27,560 --> 00:39:29,120
Speaker 5: I think he's still he's still trying to pitch and

979
00:39:29,200 --> 00:39:30,960
Speaker 5: He's like, dude, I wore your spikes for like four

980
00:39:31,080 --> 00:39:32,719
Speaker 5: years because I went up to this high school and

981
00:39:32,800 --> 00:39:34,279
Speaker 5: was like, here, buddy. When I was a coach, I

982
00:39:34,400 --> 00:39:35,480
Speaker 5: used to opened the back of my car and I

983
00:39:35,680 --> 00:39:38,160
Speaker 5: just had box. I'm like, here, you guys will use it,

984
00:39:38,360 --> 00:39:40,600
Speaker 5: take it. And the one thing I did, though, is

985
00:39:40,640 --> 00:39:43,120
Speaker 5: I would always because it may be mad, they would

986
00:39:43,200 --> 00:39:47,000
Speaker 5: the teams would sell the gear, or people would find

987
00:39:47,040 --> 00:39:49,520
Speaker 5: my stuff like in dumpsters, so I like had to

988
00:39:49,600 --> 00:39:51,480
Speaker 5: cut my like my chest protectors.

989
00:39:51,480 --> 00:39:54,160
Speaker 3: I would cut him. He cut my name off of them.

990
00:39:54,320 --> 00:39:57,120
Speaker 5: Just because there's people still that come up to me like, man,

991
00:39:57,160 --> 00:39:58,960
Speaker 5: I got your chest protector. I'm like, it is not

992
00:39:59,080 --> 00:40:00,400
Speaker 5: and they're like let me see it. And I'm like

993
00:40:00,800 --> 00:40:02,960
Speaker 5: they'll show me a Nike and I'm like that's not mine,

994
00:40:03,120 --> 00:40:04,440
Speaker 5: Like how do you know. I'm like, I can give

995
00:40:04,440 --> 00:40:08,120
Speaker 5: you a million different reasons, right, and so I just

996
00:40:08,200 --> 00:40:11,080
Speaker 5: think that I used to give it away. I mean

997
00:40:11,160 --> 00:40:14,000
Speaker 5: the clothing. I usually wore one shirt the whole year,

998
00:40:14,040 --> 00:40:15,200
Speaker 5: so by the end of the year it smelt gun

999
00:40:15,239 --> 00:40:17,000
Speaker 5: of bad, so that was in the garbage. I wear

1000
00:40:17,040 --> 00:40:19,399
Speaker 5: the same sliding shorts, the same everything that I could.

1001
00:40:19,440 --> 00:40:21,400
Speaker 5: All I didn't change. A lot of stuff that you

1002
00:40:21,560 --> 00:40:23,560
Speaker 5: just accumulate a lot of T shirts and stuff that

1003
00:40:23,600 --> 00:40:25,479
Speaker 5: people give you, and I would just give it away.

1004
00:40:26,040 --> 00:40:28,320
Speaker 3: Some of them I still have that that are sentimental stuff.

1005
00:40:28,360 --> 00:40:30,640
Speaker 5: There's there's some stuff that I still have from things

1006
00:40:30,680 --> 00:40:32,680
Speaker 5: that happen, but most of it had just I throw

1007
00:40:32,719 --> 00:40:34,440
Speaker 5: it away or just go to give it to, you

1008
00:40:34,480 --> 00:40:36,919
Speaker 5: know I do. I give it to like friends or whatever.

1009
00:40:36,960 --> 00:40:38,960
Speaker 5: They love that stuff. Like let's say, like you know,

1010
00:40:39,680 --> 00:40:41,640
Speaker 5: White Sox or Brady. You're like, here, have a whole

1011
00:40:41,680 --> 00:40:43,920
Speaker 5: bag of it, and they're like, oh, this is unbelievable.

1012
00:40:44,120 --> 00:40:45,480
Speaker 4: Yeah. I remember Brady Singer.

1013
00:40:45,800 --> 00:40:48,799
Speaker 2: His clothing was in a Kansas City Goodwill hours before

1014
00:40:48,880 --> 00:40:50,880
Speaker 2: news broke he was traded to the Reds and then

1015
00:40:50,920 --> 00:40:54,120
Speaker 2: we brought him on the show and he debunked the

1016
00:40:54,200 --> 00:40:56,880
Speaker 2: rumor and was like that was complete coincidence, Like I

1017
00:40:56,960 --> 00:40:58,960
Speaker 2: didn't know. And so he was giving his stuff away,

1018
00:40:59,000 --> 00:41:00,840
Speaker 2: and it's like, geez, you're gonna after a guy for

1019
00:41:00,960 --> 00:41:02,080
Speaker 2: giving his stuff to good will.

1020
00:41:02,200 --> 00:41:04,400
Speaker 4: You can't get much better than that. Come on. So

1021
00:41:04,760 --> 00:41:05,200
Speaker 4: it was cool.

1022
00:41:05,239 --> 00:41:08,560
Speaker 3: I that was on our show. Remember, Yeah, I got

1023
00:41:08,600 --> 00:41:09,799
Speaker 3: two quick stories real quick.

1024
00:41:09,840 --> 00:41:11,239
Speaker 1: So like I just went to Cleveland and did like

1025
00:41:11,239 --> 00:41:13,320
Speaker 1: a little signing appearance and all that stuff, and like

1026
00:41:13,440 --> 00:41:15,160
Speaker 1: some of the stuff that I would toss out made

1027
00:41:15,200 --> 00:41:16,879
Speaker 1: its way back through the line, so like we caught

1028
00:41:16,880 --> 00:41:19,279
Speaker 1: this at your shoe toss and want you to resign it.

1029
00:41:19,560 --> 00:41:23,000
Speaker 1: Another one where I want AJ to get a feel

1030
00:41:23,080 --> 00:41:25,439
Speaker 1: for this. So it was at this card convention which

1031
00:41:25,480 --> 00:41:30,279
Speaker 1: has like just autographed old vintage stuff and everything. AJ,

1032
00:41:30,400 --> 00:41:32,879
Speaker 1: have you ever traded it for traded bats with someone

1033
00:41:32,960 --> 00:41:34,759
Speaker 1: or signed a bat for someone on the other side

1034
00:41:34,800 --> 00:41:37,279
Speaker 1: where it happens all the time, or so you just

1035
00:41:37,360 --> 00:41:40,800
Speaker 1: personalize and say to whoever great playing against you, best wishes,

1036
00:41:40,800 --> 00:41:43,880
Speaker 1: blah blah blah. At this card convention in Cleveland was

1037
00:41:43,920 --> 00:41:47,560
Speaker 1: one of my bats that I had signed two Hector

1038
00:41:47,640 --> 00:41:50,840
Speaker 1: Santiago the picture that literally said two Hectors. So I

1039
00:41:50,880 --> 00:41:53,160
Speaker 1: don't know if he he got rid of it, so

1040
00:41:53,200 --> 00:41:54,480
Speaker 1: I have to and I still have his numbers, so

1041
00:41:54,480 --> 00:41:56,239
Speaker 1: I'm gonna call him on this.

1042
00:41:56,960 --> 00:41:59,399
Speaker 3: But a bat that I signed to him he sold off,

1043
00:41:59,560 --> 00:42:03,520
Speaker 3: It says to Hector too. Have you ever had that happen? No, No,

1044
00:42:03,719 --> 00:42:03,840
Speaker 3: I have.

1045
00:42:04,800 --> 00:42:07,359
Speaker 5: I wouldn't be super happy. I wouldn't be super Why

1046
00:42:07,360 --> 00:42:09,760
Speaker 5: would somebody else want that? If unless your name is Hector.

1047
00:42:10,280 --> 00:42:11,839
Speaker 3: That's what I'm saying right now.

1048
00:42:12,360 --> 00:42:14,840
Speaker 1: They just think it's like a personalized item and a

1049
00:42:14,920 --> 00:42:17,839
Speaker 1: cool collector's item. I guess, but that's why I'm saying

1050
00:42:17,840 --> 00:42:19,320
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go to Hector with this be like what

1051
00:42:19,440 --> 00:42:19,640
Speaker 1: the hell?

1052
00:42:19,719 --> 00:42:19,799
Speaker 4: Bro?

1053
00:42:20,000 --> 00:42:22,920
Speaker 3: But like I've never heard of that happening before or never,

1054
00:42:23,800 --> 00:42:27,640
Speaker 3: so no I am. I mean, I have some jerseys

1055
00:42:27,680 --> 00:42:29,399
Speaker 3: that are signed by to to me. Should I sell

1056
00:42:29,440 --> 00:42:36,000
Speaker 3: them on? Should I sell them to have a good reason?

1057
00:42:36,920 --> 00:42:37,120
Speaker 4: Yeah?

1058
00:42:37,239 --> 00:42:43,560
Speaker 3: I don't know. That's but there was always a thing

1059
00:42:43,719 --> 00:42:45,160
Speaker 3: like I don't know.

1060
00:42:45,280 --> 00:42:46,799
Speaker 5: Like I said, I used to cut my stuff up,

1061
00:42:47,000 --> 00:42:49,640
Speaker 5: like I would break bats and I would break them

1062
00:42:49,760 --> 00:42:51,640
Speaker 5: in half, and I would hand them to fans so

1063
00:42:51,800 --> 00:42:53,040
Speaker 5: that the team could itself.

1064
00:43:07,920 --> 00:43:11,839
Speaker 2: Scott Servis, former Mariners manager, joining us tomorrow. By the way,

1065
00:43:12,120 --> 00:43:13,879
Speaker 2: you did remind me of something.

1066
00:43:14,560 --> 00:43:15,200
Speaker 4: I gotta look.

1067
00:43:15,280 --> 00:43:18,400
Speaker 2: But last I checked Boba Schett and Laddie Junior slugging

1068
00:43:18,440 --> 00:43:20,360
Speaker 2: percentage so far. I know it's only a few, but

1069
00:43:20,480 --> 00:43:23,080
Speaker 2: my home run pick is still Vlad Guerrero off Spencer Strider.

1070
00:43:23,280 --> 00:43:26,359
Speaker 5: Okay, go on with it if I'm wrong. If I'm wrong,

1071
00:43:26,400 --> 00:43:30,759
Speaker 5: I'm dying Kip. Oh wait, he already did it. Sorry, oops, sorry.

1072
00:43:30,560 --> 00:43:33,440
Speaker 4: Oh you did one of those. I messed up.

1073
00:43:33,920 --> 00:43:36,560
Speaker 3: He hit his first one. I told Jay's fans.

1074
00:43:36,600 --> 00:43:39,600
Speaker 5: I went on the radio yesterday in Jayland and said,

1075
00:43:39,600 --> 00:43:41,960
Speaker 5: don't worry, Flad's gonna hit a home run this year.

1076
00:43:42,000 --> 00:43:43,880
Speaker 4: They were worried, right, Oh, they were paned. Well, his

1077
00:43:43,960 --> 00:43:47,040
Speaker 4: slugging percentage before today it was three thirty three.

1078
00:43:48,239 --> 00:43:49,799
Speaker 3: And again it's hard to hit when you got five

1079
00:43:49,880 --> 00:43:50,880
Speaker 3: hundred million in your pocket.

1080
00:43:51,000 --> 00:43:54,759
Speaker 2: True for Bo, he's subed four hundred so far this

1081
00:43:54,920 --> 00:43:57,080
Speaker 2: year too with the slug So you want to see

1082
00:43:57,080 --> 00:43:58,480
Speaker 2: a little more pop out of the boys.

1083
00:43:58,719 --> 00:44:00,960
Speaker 4: It's early. It's actually a good sign for Blue Jays

1084
00:44:01,000 --> 00:44:03,279
Speaker 4: fins because they're gonna have some pop. Yeah.

1085
00:44:04,280 --> 00:44:08,480
Speaker 2: Anyway, we're out of here. Scott Service tomorrow. Kip, good

1086
00:44:08,480 --> 00:44:09,000
Speaker 2: to see you man.

1087
00:44:09,120 --> 00:44:11,200
Speaker 3: Kip. By the way, before we go house, how she showed.

1088
00:44:11,400 --> 00:44:14,080
Speaker 4: Hey, congratulations Kip on the new restaurant.

1089
00:44:15,080 --> 00:44:17,400
Speaker 3: She still's going awesome in Miami. Anybody coming down to

1090
00:44:17,440 --> 00:44:19,439
Speaker 3: Miami wants to come check it out. It's in win Wood.

1091
00:44:20,040 --> 00:44:23,279
Speaker 3: We'd love to have you. Food is amazing, right, can't

1092
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