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On this episode of news World, who have 17 00:01:01,120 --> 00:01:04,680 Speaker 1: to recognize that in two thousand and seventeen, Americans were 18 00:01:04,720 --> 00:01:08,720 Speaker 1: more likely to die of an opioid overdose than from 19 00:01:08,760 --> 00:01:12,640 Speaker 1: a car accident. In fact, one out of every ninety 20 00:01:12,640 --> 00:01:16,720 Speaker 1: six Americans die from an opioid overdose, according to the 21 00:01:16,760 --> 00:01:20,679 Speaker 1: Centers for Disease Control and Prevention from nineteen ninety nine 22 00:01:21,000 --> 00:01:25,240 Speaker 1: to two thousand and seventeen, more than seven hundred thousand 23 00:01:25,280 --> 00:01:30,280 Speaker 1: Americans have died from a drug overdose. Among the forty 24 00:01:30,280 --> 00:01:34,560 Speaker 1: seven thousand, six hundred opioid involved overdose desks United States 25 00:01:34,560 --> 00:01:37,959 Speaker 1: in two thousand and seventeen, fifty eight point eight percent 26 00:01:38,080 --> 00:01:44,520 Speaker 1: involved synthetic opioids, particularly illicitly manufactured fentanyl, which has been 27 00:01:44,600 --> 00:01:49,920 Speaker 1: fuelling the US overdose epidemic. The opioid mortality rate contributed 28 00:01:49,960 --> 00:01:53,360 Speaker 1: to the third straight yearly decline in life expectancy in 29 00:01:53,360 --> 00:01:58,360 Speaker 1: the United States. The opioid crisis is now an epidemic, 30 00:02:00,120 --> 00:02:03,000 Speaker 1: but this isn't just about drug addiction. It's also about 31 00:02:03,000 --> 00:02:06,520 Speaker 1: our national security. We are never going to resolve this 32 00:02:06,600 --> 00:02:10,320 Speaker 1: crisis until we address the drugs coming over our southern border. 33 00:02:11,320 --> 00:02:14,760 Speaker 1: Mexico has become what some would describe as a narco state. 34 00:02:15,560 --> 00:02:18,520 Speaker 1: We'll talk about policies that need to change in order 35 00:02:18,560 --> 00:02:22,200 Speaker 1: for our government agencies to fight this war. I'm pleased 36 00:02:22,200 --> 00:02:26,640 Speaker 1: to welcome my guests, Missy and Michael Owen, co founders 37 00:02:26,639 --> 00:02:31,679 Speaker 1: of the Davis Direction Foundation, and Sarah Carter, an investigative 38 00:02:31,720 --> 00:02:34,720 Speaker 1: journalist who reported from the border for over ten years. 39 00:02:35,120 --> 00:02:38,880 Speaker 1: She is currently a Fox News contributor and host of 40 00:02:38,960 --> 00:02:53,000 Speaker 1: The Sarah Carter Show podcast. I really appreciate the two 41 00:02:53,000 --> 00:02:55,720 Speaker 1: of you sharing because I know it's very personal. Tell 42 00:02:55,840 --> 00:02:58,799 Speaker 1: us how you got so involved and why you were 43 00:02:58,880 --> 00:03:04,799 Speaker 1: so concerned about the opioid crisis. In March of twenty fourteen, 44 00:03:05,400 --> 00:03:07,840 Speaker 1: we lost Dave Us, our twenty year old son, to 45 00:03:08,919 --> 00:03:13,840 Speaker 1: an heroin overdose, and at that point we didn't have 46 00:03:13,880 --> 00:03:18,200 Speaker 1: anywhere to turn to for information. We didn't have anybody 47 00:03:18,200 --> 00:03:21,320 Speaker 1: that we could reach out to. And if we had 48 00:03:21,400 --> 00:03:24,519 Speaker 1: had somewhere to turn or reach out and ask for information, 49 00:03:24,680 --> 00:03:28,160 Speaker 1: we could have had a totally different outcome. But back then, 50 00:03:28,240 --> 00:03:34,800 Speaker 1: the stigma was so great, and nobody wanted to let 51 00:03:35,000 --> 00:03:37,640 Speaker 1: people know that in their family there was somebody who 52 00:03:37,720 --> 00:03:42,880 Speaker 1: was addicted to drugs. Davis In initially encountered the drugs 53 00:03:43,800 --> 00:03:46,280 Speaker 1: just in the family medicine cabinet. Well, he was looking 54 00:03:46,320 --> 00:03:49,920 Speaker 1: for something to help him sleep at night. I did 55 00:03:50,000 --> 00:03:53,640 Speaker 1: not have my medicine cabinet cleaned out, and honestly, the 56 00:03:53,720 --> 00:03:57,840 Speaker 1: pills that he started with were from an old C 57 00:03:58,080 --> 00:04:01,120 Speaker 1: section that I had had. My youngest daughter at the 58 00:04:01,120 --> 00:04:04,520 Speaker 1: time was fourteen years That means I had left over 59 00:04:04,680 --> 00:04:10,400 Speaker 1: medication of fourteen years in my medicine cabinets. That's a 60 00:04:10,440 --> 00:04:14,120 Speaker 1: real lesson for everybody who's listening that you probably don't 61 00:04:14,160 --> 00:04:18,600 Speaker 1: realize what you have sitting around. I know that Davis, 62 00:04:18,960 --> 00:04:23,520 Speaker 1: as I remember, he played baseball, He was class president 63 00:04:23,600 --> 00:04:26,800 Speaker 1: at Kennessa Mountain High School. He edited the yearbook, he 64 00:04:26,839 --> 00:04:29,920 Speaker 1: gave the commencement speech, he made the Dean's list his 65 00:04:30,040 --> 00:04:33,400 Speaker 1: first semester at Kennessall State. Given all of that, it 66 00:04:33,560 --> 00:04:37,720 Speaker 1: must have been very troubling for you and almost in 67 00:04:38,000 --> 00:04:41,120 Speaker 1: a shock to have to then start dealing with addiction. 68 00:04:41,320 --> 00:04:43,440 Speaker 1: Can you talk a little bit about what happened to 69 00:04:43,520 --> 00:04:47,640 Speaker 1: him and the challenges that families have when they suddenly 70 00:04:47,640 --> 00:04:49,880 Speaker 1: are faced with this with somebody that they truly love. 71 00:04:50,920 --> 00:04:54,240 Speaker 1: We want to let people understand what this looks like 72 00:04:54,320 --> 00:04:59,279 Speaker 1: and feels like. We were the typical family, working responsibly 73 00:04:59,360 --> 00:05:03,680 Speaker 1: raising And I would say for me as a father, 74 00:05:03,880 --> 00:05:06,120 Speaker 1: the first thing that I started noticing was a lot 75 00:05:06,160 --> 00:05:10,520 Speaker 1: of sleeping late and missing family responsibilities and obligations that 76 00:05:10,560 --> 00:05:13,680 Speaker 1: we would consider to be normal around the house. And 77 00:05:13,760 --> 00:05:17,040 Speaker 1: that just continued to get worse. But again, you don't 78 00:05:17,040 --> 00:05:19,919 Speaker 1: know what you don't know. I was not well versed 79 00:05:19,920 --> 00:05:24,200 Speaker 1: in the field of addiction and especially opiates. So for 80 00:05:24,279 --> 00:05:26,520 Speaker 1: me getting up every day and making a long commute 81 00:05:26,520 --> 00:05:30,000 Speaker 1: and sitting in traffic one hour each way every day, 82 00:05:30,640 --> 00:05:33,640 Speaker 1: there's very little of time to spend at home to 83 00:05:33,680 --> 00:05:36,240 Speaker 1: find out what's going on. And then as it progressively 84 00:05:36,279 --> 00:05:39,760 Speaker 1: got worse, things started going missing around the house, and 85 00:05:39,920 --> 00:05:42,160 Speaker 1: believe it or not, a big one that I don't 86 00:05:42,160 --> 00:05:45,680 Speaker 1: think any normal family would ever consider would be utensils. 87 00:05:46,200 --> 00:05:48,560 Speaker 1: And one of the utensils was spoons. And it was like, 88 00:05:48,600 --> 00:05:51,240 Speaker 1: where the heck are all of our spoons going? Missy? 89 00:05:51,279 --> 00:05:54,719 Speaker 1: You want to add anything to that anytime there's a 90 00:05:54,839 --> 00:05:58,640 Speaker 1: change in behavior. The thing that I noticed most is 91 00:05:58,760 --> 00:06:02,800 Speaker 1: that Davis was with drawing from our family. While the 92 00:06:02,800 --> 00:06:07,120 Speaker 1: rest of us were upstairs talking or walking a show together, 93 00:06:07,320 --> 00:06:11,919 Speaker 1: he was downstairs and he spent most of his time 94 00:06:11,960 --> 00:06:15,320 Speaker 1: downstairs in his room, and he didn't really want to 95 00:06:15,400 --> 00:06:19,159 Speaker 1: socialize with us or be around us. But looking back 96 00:06:19,200 --> 00:06:22,440 Speaker 1: over what I've learned, because of the disease and being 97 00:06:22,440 --> 00:06:27,320 Speaker 1: involved with the foundation, he didn't want to be exposed 98 00:06:28,240 --> 00:06:31,159 Speaker 1: for us to see him and what was going on 99 00:06:31,279 --> 00:06:34,479 Speaker 1: in the changes that were taking place, So it was 100 00:06:34,560 --> 00:06:37,000 Speaker 1: easier for him to stay away from us than to 101 00:06:37,080 --> 00:06:41,279 Speaker 1: be around us. That was really hard. That was really hard. 102 00:06:41,880 --> 00:06:45,440 Speaker 1: We were a very very close family. He didn't want 103 00:06:45,440 --> 00:06:47,559 Speaker 1: to be a part of us anymore, and that hurt. 104 00:06:48,600 --> 00:06:55,640 Speaker 1: There's a certain amount of withdrawal or conflict that almost 105 00:06:55,680 --> 00:07:01,520 Speaker 1: goes without lessons, and so trying to detect the difference 106 00:07:01,560 --> 00:07:06,040 Speaker 1: between healthy and unhealthy separation, if that makes any sense. Well, 107 00:07:06,080 --> 00:07:09,440 Speaker 1: the thing there knew was that he was also withdrawing 108 00:07:09,520 --> 00:07:15,400 Speaker 1: from his siblings, and that wasn't a part of adolescent behavior. Yes, 109 00:07:15,480 --> 00:07:19,360 Speaker 1: withdrawing from your parents, I can understand. But the siblings 110 00:07:19,440 --> 00:07:22,440 Speaker 1: were noticing him with drawing as well. And we'd always 111 00:07:22,480 --> 00:07:25,560 Speaker 1: been there for each other. With him playing baseball, we'd 112 00:07:25,600 --> 00:07:28,400 Speaker 1: always been at all his games. I had a cheerleader. 113 00:07:28,480 --> 00:07:31,320 Speaker 1: We'd always been at all her competitions. I had a performer. 114 00:07:31,360 --> 00:07:34,600 Speaker 1: We'd always been at her competitions. And when either the 115 00:07:34,640 --> 00:07:37,080 Speaker 1: other two boys were doing anything, we were there to 116 00:07:37,120 --> 00:07:40,360 Speaker 1: support each other. And all of a sudden, data stopped supporting. 117 00:07:41,120 --> 00:07:44,280 Speaker 1: If somebody came to you and they were at that 118 00:07:44,440 --> 00:07:48,080 Speaker 1: exact moment with their own child, what would your advice 119 00:07:48,120 --> 00:07:55,560 Speaker 1: to them be to educate themselves, know what you're dealing 120 00:07:55,640 --> 00:07:58,880 Speaker 1: with like Michael said before, we didn't know what we 121 00:07:59,000 --> 00:08:03,320 Speaker 1: didn't know, and there was so much that I didn't know, 122 00:08:03,400 --> 00:08:06,920 Speaker 1: because when you're in the midst of active addiction with 123 00:08:07,040 --> 00:08:12,560 Speaker 1: a family member, you are so consumed with chasing that 124 00:08:12,720 --> 00:08:15,280 Speaker 1: family member, trying to find out who they've been with, 125 00:08:15,440 --> 00:08:17,960 Speaker 1: where they've gone, how many miles were put on their car, 126 00:08:18,480 --> 00:08:21,160 Speaker 1: did they answer their phone, did they not answer their phone, 127 00:08:21,240 --> 00:08:24,440 Speaker 1: who were they calling, who were they seeing? All these 128 00:08:24,480 --> 00:08:28,000 Speaker 1: kinds of things, because you knew there was addiction involvement 129 00:08:28,040 --> 00:08:31,600 Speaker 1: at that point, and instead of investing in the education 130 00:08:31,680 --> 00:08:35,160 Speaker 1: of how to help them, you're just consumed with trying 131 00:08:35,160 --> 00:08:39,680 Speaker 1: to protect them. And you have to stop and draw 132 00:08:39,840 --> 00:08:45,160 Speaker 1: some serious boundaries and educate yourself after what's available in 133 00:08:45,200 --> 00:08:51,200 Speaker 1: the community, what is available outside of the community, and 134 00:08:51,280 --> 00:08:56,040 Speaker 1: how to best help your child instead of chase your child. 135 00:08:56,840 --> 00:09:01,000 Speaker 1: I think that's really an important distinction. So in that context, 136 00:09:00,840 --> 00:09:04,079 Speaker 1: but Tony Candy right now and said, my teenagers now 137 00:09:04,200 --> 00:09:08,760 Speaker 1: increasingly withdrawn, and I'm worried that they might be into 138 00:09:08,760 --> 00:09:12,280 Speaker 1: an addiction. But I don't know whether I should confront 139 00:09:12,320 --> 00:09:14,959 Speaker 1: them or what I should do. What would your advice 140 00:09:15,000 --> 00:09:18,360 Speaker 1: to them be? Very clearly, I would say, you need 141 00:09:18,440 --> 00:09:20,160 Speaker 1: to come up to the zone and you need to 142 00:09:20,200 --> 00:09:24,880 Speaker 1: talk to one of our peer support specialist. Someone who 143 00:09:24,960 --> 00:09:28,280 Speaker 1: has been in active addiction and has come out on 144 00:09:28,320 --> 00:09:31,760 Speaker 1: the side of recovery and is practicing long term recovery. 145 00:09:32,360 --> 00:09:34,760 Speaker 1: You need to talk to them and get their perspective 146 00:09:34,800 --> 00:09:38,280 Speaker 1: and understand what is going to help and what is 147 00:09:38,360 --> 00:09:42,080 Speaker 1: not going to help. And that's where our peer support 148 00:09:42,160 --> 00:09:47,200 Speaker 1: specialists are so important new because there's almost an automatic 149 00:09:47,440 --> 00:09:52,280 Speaker 1: trust in someone who's been there. If you're looking for 150 00:09:52,960 --> 00:09:56,920 Speaker 1: how you're going to get to the successful end of 151 00:09:57,000 --> 00:10:00,760 Speaker 1: the story and you've been in the pits of hell 152 00:10:01,000 --> 00:10:04,960 Speaker 1: for all practical purposes, you want that person who's had 153 00:10:05,000 --> 00:10:10,040 Speaker 1: the experience, and peer support specialists are the people that 154 00:10:10,080 --> 00:10:12,200 Speaker 1: you need to go to. This is an evidence based 155 00:10:12,200 --> 00:10:18,280 Speaker 1: approach and they are listened to more intently. They will 156 00:10:18,400 --> 00:10:21,959 Speaker 1: tell you, and they have no qualms at all about 157 00:10:22,080 --> 00:10:24,720 Speaker 1: laying it all out on the table because they know 158 00:10:25,400 --> 00:10:28,520 Speaker 1: that addiction is the hardest thing they've ever conquered and 159 00:10:28,600 --> 00:10:31,240 Speaker 1: all they want to do is help somebody find their 160 00:10:31,280 --> 00:10:35,040 Speaker 1: way into the journey of recovery. To me, looking back, 161 00:10:35,160 --> 00:10:37,640 Speaker 1: the biggest thing that I would have tried to change 162 00:10:37,720 --> 00:10:40,679 Speaker 1: with our son would have been the open line of communication, 163 00:10:41,360 --> 00:10:44,640 Speaker 1: and that's where you start talking about this whole field 164 00:10:44,679 --> 00:10:48,400 Speaker 1: of addiction and it being labeled as a disease, and 165 00:10:48,440 --> 00:10:51,840 Speaker 1: the science gets better and better. But as a family 166 00:10:52,040 --> 00:10:55,240 Speaker 1: and not knowing and understanding this, there's a lot of 167 00:10:55,280 --> 00:11:00,040 Speaker 1: behavioral type conversations. Right as you start learning more and 168 00:11:00,040 --> 00:11:02,319 Speaker 1: as you start trying to be a more responsible parent 169 00:11:02,400 --> 00:11:06,760 Speaker 1: and not really understanding this, it starts shutting down the communication. 170 00:11:07,640 --> 00:11:11,320 Speaker 1: And that probably did more harm, at least from my side, 171 00:11:11,360 --> 00:11:14,880 Speaker 1: than anything, because what was needed was the open communication 172 00:11:15,200 --> 00:11:19,760 Speaker 1: to get help because without me understanding what exactly was 173 00:11:19,840 --> 00:11:22,480 Speaker 1: going on, all I was doing and I would freely 174 00:11:22,480 --> 00:11:26,240 Speaker 1: admit it was shutting down the communication by coming up 175 00:11:26,280 --> 00:11:29,960 Speaker 1: with responsibilities you have to be on top of this 176 00:11:30,080 --> 00:11:32,840 Speaker 1: and that and blah blah blah, without truly understanding the 177 00:11:32,880 --> 00:11:34,760 Speaker 1: root calls in terms of what was going on here, 178 00:11:34,920 --> 00:11:37,360 Speaker 1: And that was never going to happen because by that time, 179 00:11:37,640 --> 00:11:39,240 Speaker 1: there was no way in this world my son was 180 00:11:39,240 --> 00:11:41,800 Speaker 1: going to openly communicate with me in terms of his 181 00:11:41,840 --> 00:11:46,040 Speaker 1: struggles coming up. After the death of their son, Davis 182 00:11:46,559 --> 00:11:49,600 Speaker 1: Missy and Michael Owen devote their lives to educating others 183 00:11:49,640 --> 00:12:01,320 Speaker 1: about addiction by founding the Davis Direction Foundation. When it 184 00:12:01,360 --> 00:12:04,560 Speaker 1: comes to your estate planning, why not leave behind a 185 00:12:04,640 --> 00:12:09,680 Speaker 1: lasting legacy that will also make a significant impact. After all, 186 00:12:10,280 --> 00:12:12,880 Speaker 1: we can't take our money with us, but we can 187 00:12:13,080 --> 00:12:16,120 Speaker 1: use it to improve the lives of the precious animals 188 00:12:16,160 --> 00:12:20,160 Speaker 1: who call Delta Rescue home. Delta Rescue is the only 189 00:12:20,280 --> 00:12:24,040 Speaker 1: no kill, care for life home for more than one thousand, 190 00:12:24,160 --> 00:12:29,120 Speaker 1: five hundred dogs, cats, and horses. 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That's Delta Rescue dot org 203 00:13:14,840 --> 00:13:19,520 Speaker 1: slash newt And due to the overwhelming response over the holidays, 204 00:13:20,200 --> 00:13:24,760 Speaker 1: the free movie The Rescuer is still featured on our website. 205 00:13:25,559 --> 00:13:29,559 Speaker 1: It's an award winning documentary about Leo's two year journey 206 00:13:29,920 --> 00:13:33,360 Speaker 1: to rescue a family of twenty one dogs abandoned in 207 00:13:33,400 --> 00:13:38,080 Speaker 1: the wilderness. Stream it for free now go to Delta 208 00:13:38,160 --> 00:13:41,319 Speaker 1: Rescue dot org slash newt today make it your New 209 00:13:41,400 --> 00:13:57,160 Speaker 1: Year's resolution. So you then create the Davis Direction Foundation. 210 00:13:57,720 --> 00:14:00,840 Speaker 1: How did you pick the title? Davi us of course 211 00:14:00,880 --> 00:14:05,280 Speaker 1: as our son's name, and then direction. When we started, 212 00:14:05,320 --> 00:14:10,400 Speaker 1: we picked a logo that was moving onward through life, 213 00:14:10,480 --> 00:14:14,240 Speaker 1: looking upward to God, and that's what we had to do. 214 00:14:14,320 --> 00:14:17,839 Speaker 1: We knew we had to move onward and the direction 215 00:14:18,000 --> 00:14:21,800 Speaker 1: needed to be onward and upward, and we looked to 216 00:14:21,880 --> 00:14:26,520 Speaker 1: God for leadership, guidance and just kind of took his 217 00:14:26,760 --> 00:14:30,480 Speaker 1: lead as to what needed to happen. And that's how 218 00:14:30,520 --> 00:14:33,600 Speaker 1: we came up with the name the Davis Direction Foundation 219 00:14:33,720 --> 00:14:38,360 Speaker 1: because people need direction when they're going through addiction and 220 00:14:38,520 --> 00:14:42,320 Speaker 1: direction was one of the things that as families, we 221 00:14:42,360 --> 00:14:45,600 Speaker 1: did not have when we were trying to navigate this journey. 222 00:14:46,600 --> 00:14:50,240 Speaker 1: You have a set of key principles. I remember coming 223 00:14:50,760 --> 00:14:55,000 Speaker 1: to the Zone. Did you describe the Zone for a minute? Sure. 224 00:14:55,520 --> 00:14:59,120 Speaker 1: The Zone is a twenty one thousand square foot building 225 00:14:59,720 --> 00:15:02,280 Speaker 1: that has the top floor in the bottom floor. The 226 00:15:02,320 --> 00:15:06,040 Speaker 1: top floor is the recovery center. You walk in and 227 00:15:06,120 --> 00:15:09,440 Speaker 1: we have the wonderful coffee shop on the right with 228 00:15:09,600 --> 00:15:12,880 Speaker 1: the aroma of coffee as you enter the building, and 229 00:15:13,160 --> 00:15:16,400 Speaker 1: that's where people meet to do step work and just 230 00:15:16,560 --> 00:15:19,720 Speaker 1: connect and get a cup of coffee and share stories. 231 00:15:19,800 --> 00:15:23,240 Speaker 1: Then next to that is the meeting room. We offer 232 00:15:23,320 --> 00:15:28,360 Speaker 1: like thirty six meetings per week and they include all 233 00:15:28,440 --> 00:15:32,560 Speaker 1: pathways to recovery. We don't discriminate there. We have a 234 00:15:32,680 --> 00:15:35,880 Speaker 1: music room where we have instruments and people come in 235 00:15:35,920 --> 00:15:40,040 Speaker 1: and play guitars and somebody will hear the music. We 236 00:15:40,080 --> 00:15:43,480 Speaker 1: have a drum set, we have pianos and people come 237 00:15:43,520 --> 00:15:46,080 Speaker 1: in and one just joins in with the other and 238 00:15:46,120 --> 00:15:48,640 Speaker 1: before you know it, we have a whole jam session going. 239 00:15:49,440 --> 00:15:53,920 Speaker 1: Then we have a computer lab and research library where 240 00:15:53,960 --> 00:15:57,680 Speaker 1: we have people come in and write resumes, connect with 241 00:15:57,720 --> 00:16:02,920 Speaker 1: their families via Facebook or email, because many times people 242 00:16:02,960 --> 00:16:05,520 Speaker 1: with the disease of addiction are not allowed in their 243 00:16:05,520 --> 00:16:10,680 Speaker 1: homes because of the fact that they've stolen from their parents. 244 00:16:10,840 --> 00:16:15,000 Speaker 1: They've been banned from the home because a lot of 245 00:16:15,040 --> 00:16:19,880 Speaker 1: people don't understand this disease and how to deal with it. Also, 246 00:16:20,000 --> 00:16:22,680 Speaker 1: they are younger children in the homes that parents don't 247 00:16:22,720 --> 00:16:28,280 Speaker 1: want their addicted family member around, and so that's one 248 00:16:28,320 --> 00:16:31,720 Speaker 1: way that they can connect with their families. We also 249 00:16:31,800 --> 00:16:34,960 Speaker 1: have a resource library where you can read all kinds 250 00:16:34,960 --> 00:16:38,440 Speaker 1: of things. We have self help books, we have nutrition books, 251 00:16:38,480 --> 00:16:42,560 Speaker 1: things that would help people going through the disease and 252 00:16:42,760 --> 00:16:45,800 Speaker 1: trying to navigate into recovery. We have big books and 253 00:16:45,920 --> 00:16:49,560 Speaker 1: bibles and whatever they may need. But then we have 254 00:16:49,800 --> 00:16:52,760 Speaker 1: arts and crafts room. We have a big kitchen, We 255 00:16:52,840 --> 00:16:58,720 Speaker 1: have a workout gym that's comparable to any professional workout place, 256 00:16:59,480 --> 00:17:02,480 Speaker 1: and we have a game room with pool tables, ping 257 00:17:02,520 --> 00:17:06,720 Speaker 1: pong tables, every video game that you've ever heard of, 258 00:17:07,320 --> 00:17:11,400 Speaker 1: and we have a room where we have chiropractic treatment 259 00:17:11,520 --> 00:17:15,560 Speaker 1: going on. We have recovery coaching rooms that are smaller 260 00:17:15,600 --> 00:17:19,120 Speaker 1: where it can be an intimate recovery coaching session with 261 00:17:19,160 --> 00:17:22,480 Speaker 1: one of our certified recovery coaches and a person coming 262 00:17:22,520 --> 00:17:25,480 Speaker 1: in to seek those services. And then we just have 263 00:17:25,560 --> 00:17:27,520 Speaker 1: a four year where a lot of good stuff goes 264 00:17:27,520 --> 00:17:30,720 Speaker 1: on and people come in and sometimes all they need 265 00:17:30,760 --> 00:17:33,919 Speaker 1: is just to connect with somebody else in recovery and 266 00:17:34,000 --> 00:17:37,080 Speaker 1: get a smile and a good word and be on 267 00:17:37,160 --> 00:17:43,560 Speaker 1: their way. The bottom half is a thrift store that 268 00:17:43,720 --> 00:17:47,040 Speaker 1: we've developed set people donate to us all the time, 269 00:17:47,200 --> 00:17:50,480 Speaker 1: and the funding that we make through the thrift store 270 00:17:51,000 --> 00:17:54,080 Speaker 1: goes directly to support the mission of the zone, which 271 00:17:54,119 --> 00:17:57,560 Speaker 1: is recovery. When Davis was going through his addiction in 272 00:17:57,720 --> 00:18:01,080 Speaker 1: twenty fourteen, there were no play is like the zone 273 00:18:01,160 --> 00:18:04,359 Speaker 1: where you could go knowing that there was a person 274 00:18:04,480 --> 00:18:07,840 Speaker 1: in recovery who would talk to you. So now that 275 00:18:08,000 --> 00:18:12,600 Speaker 1: recovery support organizations are popping up throughout the country, that 276 00:18:12,720 --> 00:18:16,200 Speaker 1: is such an added blessing because you know now where 277 00:18:16,320 --> 00:18:19,880 Speaker 1: you can go to receive that service. When you talk 278 00:18:19,920 --> 00:18:24,400 Speaker 1: about recovery support, is that primarily for the person who's 279 00:18:24,400 --> 00:18:27,760 Speaker 1: addicted or is that for the whole family? It's for 280 00:18:27,840 --> 00:18:32,880 Speaker 1: the whole family. Addiction is a family disease and everybody 281 00:18:32,920 --> 00:18:35,800 Speaker 1: in the family needs to know how to support it, 282 00:18:36,400 --> 00:18:41,920 Speaker 1: what's available, and what their responsibilities are if you want 283 00:18:41,960 --> 00:18:46,000 Speaker 1: the truly best outcome. And yes, of course there are 284 00:18:46,080 --> 00:18:48,719 Speaker 1: going to be more services and support for the person 285 00:18:48,760 --> 00:18:51,840 Speaker 1: with the disease of addiction. But if you don't have 286 00:18:51,960 --> 00:18:57,160 Speaker 1: family buy in, your chance of success is so much less. 287 00:18:57,160 --> 00:19:01,119 Speaker 1: It's almost like education, all of this satistics that show 288 00:19:01,240 --> 00:19:05,439 Speaker 1: when you have parental support toward education, you're child is 289 00:19:05,480 --> 00:19:09,440 Speaker 1: way more successful. Well, the same things true with addiction. 290 00:19:09,840 --> 00:19:13,240 Speaker 1: When the family is on board working to support and 291 00:19:13,440 --> 00:19:17,680 Speaker 1: help and find resources for that struggling family member, there's 292 00:19:17,720 --> 00:19:20,240 Speaker 1: going to be way more success than if the family 293 00:19:20,320 --> 00:19:24,879 Speaker 1: turns the back because that just enforces the theme of 294 00:19:25,040 --> 00:19:30,760 Speaker 1: shame and enforces the stigma of addiction. So if you emphasize, 295 00:19:31,320 --> 00:19:34,320 Speaker 1: which would work of course in Georgia, that if I 296 00:19:34,400 --> 00:19:37,560 Speaker 1: had this challenge in my family, I could come to 297 00:19:37,600 --> 00:19:42,120 Speaker 1: the zone. Can people contact the zone to find out 298 00:19:42,160 --> 00:19:47,160 Speaker 1: if there's a similar support system near them if they're 299 00:19:47,160 --> 00:19:50,960 Speaker 1: in a different state. Absolutely, And I'd like to point 300 00:19:51,000 --> 00:19:54,119 Speaker 1: out we have a Facebook page called David's Direction Foundation, 301 00:19:54,600 --> 00:19:58,320 Speaker 1: and on that Facebook page we have almost eleven thousand 302 00:19:58,480 --> 00:20:02,000 Speaker 1: members and be because of the membership that we have 303 00:20:02,200 --> 00:20:06,520 Speaker 1: there and the extensive work that we've done throughout the country. 304 00:20:07,040 --> 00:20:11,240 Speaker 1: We know somebody that's going to know somebody who is 305 00:20:11,280 --> 00:20:16,120 Speaker 1: familiar with the resources almost anywhere in the nation. If 306 00:20:16,160 --> 00:20:19,239 Speaker 1: somebody does come to you for help, how do you 307 00:20:19,320 --> 00:20:22,280 Speaker 1: work your way through that? And what makes you different 308 00:20:22,320 --> 00:20:27,160 Speaker 1: from the more traditional or the older established systems the 309 00:20:27,200 --> 00:20:31,280 Speaker 1: fact that we're working with peer support specialists. The old 310 00:20:31,320 --> 00:20:36,719 Speaker 1: and traditional way is having counselors or therapists or people 311 00:20:37,040 --> 00:20:40,640 Speaker 1: even doctors who you would turn to for treatment. They 312 00:20:40,720 --> 00:20:44,440 Speaker 1: don't have the lived experience. They don't have the lived 313 00:20:44,440 --> 00:20:47,639 Speaker 1: experience of being a person in addiction or being a 314 00:20:47,680 --> 00:20:51,560 Speaker 1: family member who has supported someone with the disease of addiction. 315 00:20:52,200 --> 00:20:55,440 Speaker 1: And there are a lot of studies that go back 316 00:20:55,480 --> 00:21:01,760 Speaker 1: and show that doctors really don't understand stand addiction in 317 00:21:01,800 --> 00:21:04,159 Speaker 1: the way that they should in order to treat it. 318 00:21:04,720 --> 00:21:07,000 Speaker 1: For instance, there was a study that came out that 319 00:21:07,200 --> 00:21:12,320 Speaker 1: showed that one advil and one extra strength tylina where 320 00:21:12,359 --> 00:21:17,160 Speaker 1: a far superior physical pain reliever than a ten milligram 321 00:21:17,280 --> 00:21:21,119 Speaker 1: oxy codew And when they did the survey to show 322 00:21:21,800 --> 00:21:25,760 Speaker 1: how many doctors knew that, it was less than one percent. 323 00:21:27,119 --> 00:21:31,199 Speaker 1: So the traditional way that we used to have of 324 00:21:31,240 --> 00:21:34,080 Speaker 1: people trying to seek help, they were talking to somebody 325 00:21:34,160 --> 00:21:37,560 Speaker 1: who really should have said, I really don't know how 326 00:21:37,560 --> 00:21:42,919 Speaker 1: to help you. And instead they continued to address the 327 00:21:43,040 --> 00:21:46,320 Speaker 1: mental disease or the mental health part of the disease, 328 00:21:46,400 --> 00:21:50,679 Speaker 1: which if somebody is self medicating, or somebody have depression 329 00:21:50,760 --> 00:21:54,760 Speaker 1: or anxiety issues to begin with that led to the 330 00:21:54,800 --> 00:22:01,199 Speaker 1: self medication, then doctors would try to treat those in 331 00:22:01,280 --> 00:22:05,880 Speaker 1: lieu of the addiction symptoms, and that was a real problem. 332 00:22:06,160 --> 00:22:09,480 Speaker 1: So to be able to talk to somebody who has 333 00:22:09,560 --> 00:22:13,560 Speaker 1: had the disease and the lived experience has proven to 334 00:22:13,600 --> 00:22:18,399 Speaker 1: be a way better model than traditional treatment. This whole 335 00:22:18,560 --> 00:22:25,080 Speaker 1: concept of medication assisted treatment as opposed to a purely 336 00:22:25,119 --> 00:22:28,480 Speaker 1: psychological approach. Do you want to comment on that where 337 00:22:28,480 --> 00:22:32,200 Speaker 1: you are in your own thinking on that topic. Medically 338 00:22:32,280 --> 00:22:38,239 Speaker 1: assisted recovery as we call it, is so underrated in 339 00:22:38,280 --> 00:22:43,040 Speaker 1: the medical world, but we have studies that show that 340 00:22:43,200 --> 00:22:47,920 Speaker 1: if you are on bouper Northen your fifty percent more 341 00:22:48,000 --> 00:22:52,359 Speaker 1: likely to stay in recovery than if you are going 342 00:22:52,520 --> 00:22:56,920 Speaker 1: detox and abstinence alone, which has a ten percent rate 343 00:22:57,040 --> 00:23:00,480 Speaker 1: to stay in recovery. So the more we find out 344 00:23:00,520 --> 00:23:04,960 Speaker 1: about it, the more promising it looks. The medical world 345 00:23:05,040 --> 00:23:08,639 Speaker 1: has just come out with a new injection for bupreneur 346 00:23:08,720 --> 00:23:14,080 Speaker 1: theme calls Sublicate and sublicate if it weren't so expensive, 347 00:23:14,119 --> 00:23:18,600 Speaker 1: of course, would be such a blessing to so many people. 348 00:23:19,000 --> 00:23:22,879 Speaker 1: For instance, because if you went into any emergency department 349 00:23:23,440 --> 00:23:27,240 Speaker 1: looking for help for opioid addiction and you could get 350 00:23:27,280 --> 00:23:32,120 Speaker 1: the sublicate injection, it lasts for thirty days, and it 351 00:23:32,160 --> 00:23:36,480 Speaker 1: helps you with the withdrawals, and it keeps you with 352 00:23:36,760 --> 00:23:40,520 Speaker 1: enough of the opioid in your system that you're not 353 00:23:40,680 --> 00:23:46,679 Speaker 1: actively seeking to pursue addiction. So what that would do 354 00:23:46,760 --> 00:23:50,679 Speaker 1: would give you thirty days to get treatments set up 355 00:23:51,280 --> 00:23:55,840 Speaker 1: and in order and ready to go with a plan. 356 00:23:56,800 --> 00:24:01,040 Speaker 1: That would be just life change for people with the 357 00:24:01,119 --> 00:24:04,359 Speaker 1: disease of addiction to be offered that injection. But of 358 00:24:04,400 --> 00:24:08,240 Speaker 1: course money stands in the way, and so often we 359 00:24:08,359 --> 00:24:11,760 Speaker 1: hear about money standing in the way, bureaucracy standing in 360 00:24:11,800 --> 00:24:16,200 Speaker 1: the way, And that's one reason that we need to 361 00:24:16,520 --> 00:24:20,080 Speaker 1: start letting people who are the boots on the ground 362 00:24:20,560 --> 00:24:26,120 Speaker 1: in this arena to start taking charge and getting rid 363 00:24:26,160 --> 00:24:30,680 Speaker 1: of the bureaucracy and everything else that surrounds it that 364 00:24:30,840 --> 00:24:34,680 Speaker 1: people have to answer to and deal with and report 365 00:24:34,720 --> 00:24:37,800 Speaker 1: two in order to help somebody who's seeking help, and 366 00:24:37,840 --> 00:24:39,840 Speaker 1: all they want to be is out of active addiction. 367 00:24:40,440 --> 00:24:44,520 Speaker 1: As I understand it, one of the major differences between 368 00:24:44,920 --> 00:24:49,280 Speaker 1: alcoholism and opioids is that the receptors in your brain 369 00:24:50,400 --> 00:24:54,560 Speaker 1: adjust themselves to the opioids in such a way that 370 00:24:55,200 --> 00:24:58,960 Speaker 1: if you don't have some kind of medication assistance and 371 00:24:59,200 --> 00:25:04,120 Speaker 1: you go off and detox, your brain gradually loses its 372 00:25:04,160 --> 00:25:09,720 Speaker 1: capacity to absorb the level of opiate that you were 373 00:25:09,840 --> 00:25:13,600 Speaker 1: used to. So if you do backslide, you have a 374 00:25:13,720 --> 00:25:17,640 Speaker 1: very real danger that you're going to end up with 375 00:25:17,800 --> 00:25:21,840 Speaker 1: a condition in which you take what you used to 376 00:25:21,880 --> 00:25:26,560 Speaker 1: be able to do, but because you're no longer adjusted 377 00:25:26,600 --> 00:25:30,280 Speaker 1: to it, you actually end up killing yourself. So there's 378 00:25:30,320 --> 00:25:34,600 Speaker 1: actually a very high percentage of people who go into 379 00:25:34,760 --> 00:25:39,280 Speaker 1: rehab detox, come out, and because they don't have any 380 00:25:39,359 --> 00:25:44,359 Speaker 1: kind of medication support, they end up taking a fatal dose. 381 00:25:45,000 --> 00:25:49,440 Speaker 1: Is that a pretty accurate description, Yes, it is. But 382 00:25:49,680 --> 00:25:53,200 Speaker 1: I will tell you that what happens is people who 383 00:25:53,240 --> 00:25:58,520 Speaker 1: are in active addiction, their brain becomes hijacked. It's damaged. 384 00:25:58,680 --> 00:26:02,800 Speaker 1: We have scientific visuals that show the damage that happens 385 00:26:02,840 --> 00:26:08,240 Speaker 1: in an opioid addiction brain, and so I guess the 386 00:26:08,440 --> 00:26:12,840 Speaker 1: body has recovered somewhat, but the brain has not. So 387 00:26:12,880 --> 00:26:15,680 Speaker 1: the brain tells you go back to that old dosage 388 00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:20,680 Speaker 1: and your body has come with a tolerance to the 389 00:26:20,720 --> 00:26:26,359 Speaker 1: medication that you don't have anymore, so you overdose and die. 390 00:26:26,400 --> 00:26:29,120 Speaker 1: And that's exactly what happened to Davis. He had been 391 00:26:29,160 --> 00:26:34,080 Speaker 1: in recovery for almost six weeks when he took his 392 00:26:34,160 --> 00:26:39,119 Speaker 1: fatal overdose. What can other people do to serve the community? 393 00:26:39,720 --> 00:26:47,520 Speaker 1: Education is the biggest thing. Always educate yourself and be supportive. 394 00:26:47,640 --> 00:26:52,320 Speaker 1: Like we say that people get sober and treatment, but 395 00:26:52,480 --> 00:26:56,760 Speaker 1: they get well and communities that embrace recovery. And to 396 00:26:56,800 --> 00:27:00,000 Speaker 1: embrace recovery as a community, you have to be educated. 397 00:27:00,880 --> 00:27:05,160 Speaker 1: So when we have a symposium or we do an event, 398 00:27:05,680 --> 00:27:09,680 Speaker 1: come out because we're always educating at these events. There's 399 00:27:09,720 --> 00:27:12,199 Speaker 1: a product that we talk about all the time called 400 00:27:12,200 --> 00:27:16,040 Speaker 1: dispose our X. Dispose our X is a little packet 401 00:27:16,520 --> 00:27:21,920 Speaker 1: that you pour in leftover or unused medication that deactivates 402 00:27:22,040 --> 00:27:24,840 Speaker 1: the active ingredients in the medication. You fill it with 403 00:27:24,920 --> 00:27:27,439 Speaker 1: water and shake it up and then it turns it 404 00:27:27,480 --> 00:27:31,040 Speaker 1: into a gel and you can dispose of it safely 405 00:27:31,160 --> 00:27:35,840 Speaker 1: in your own garbage can. But if those medications were 406 00:27:35,880 --> 00:27:39,879 Speaker 1: to stay in the family, medicine cabinet. There's a statistic 407 00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:42,879 Speaker 1: that seventy five to eighty five percent of all heroin 408 00:27:42,960 --> 00:27:47,439 Speaker 1: addiction began in the medicine cabinet. So let's get that 409 00:27:47,680 --> 00:27:51,600 Speaker 1: unused medicine out of the cabinets. I can't tell you 410 00:27:51,640 --> 00:27:55,280 Speaker 1: how many times somebody has said after they had an 411 00:27:55,280 --> 00:27:58,240 Speaker 1: event where family or friends came over that there was 412 00:27:58,320 --> 00:28:04,119 Speaker 1: missing medication. So let's get that medication out of the 413 00:28:04,240 --> 00:28:09,720 Speaker 1: medicine cabinets. That could be world changing. And then of 414 00:28:09,760 --> 00:28:14,399 Speaker 1: course donating to boots on the ground organizations, places that 415 00:28:14,520 --> 00:28:19,280 Speaker 1: you know people are making a difference, Visit them, support them, 416 00:28:19,400 --> 00:28:24,000 Speaker 1: and just allow them to do what they do to 417 00:28:24,160 --> 00:28:27,840 Speaker 1: support people who are actively seeking their services. We will 418 00:28:27,920 --> 00:28:31,760 Speaker 1: link to the foundation, so anybody who wants to will 419 00:28:31,800 --> 00:28:34,239 Speaker 1: be able to click straight from us to you in 420 00:28:34,320 --> 00:28:38,720 Speaker 1: terms of donating money and getting involved. Thank you so much. Nope, 421 00:28:39,640 --> 00:28:43,040 Speaker 1: Coming up, Sarah Carter makes the case for Mexican drug 422 00:28:43,120 --> 00:28:56,600 Speaker 1: cartels to be designated as foreign terrorist organizations. Deborah's home 423 00:28:56,680 --> 00:29:00,840 Speaker 1: was stolen. I don't mean thieves stolen stuff, I mean 424 00:29:00,960 --> 00:29:05,200 Speaker 1: scammers literally stole her home. The FBI calls home title 425 00:29:05,280 --> 00:29:09,160 Speaker 1: theft one of the fastest growing white collar crimes. This 426 00:29:09,200 --> 00:29:13,360 Speaker 1: story is why you need home title lock. Debra says 427 00:29:13,600 --> 00:29:17,080 Speaker 1: criminals found the title to our home online and filed 428 00:29:17,120 --> 00:29:22,040 Speaker 1: fraudulent documents claiming they owned her home. Wait, it gets worse. 429 00:29:22,800 --> 00:29:26,000 Speaker 1: Debra says, I was evicted from my own home and 430 00:29:26,240 --> 00:29:30,840 Speaker 1: eighty five grand inequity gone. Nobody believes you can get 431 00:29:30,840 --> 00:29:33,840 Speaker 1: your home stolen this easily. This is why you need 432 00:29:33,880 --> 00:29:37,280 Speaker 1: to get home title lock, because no insurance or bank 433 00:29:37,600 --> 00:29:41,640 Speaker 1: protects your home from title theft. First things first, go 434 00:29:41,720 --> 00:29:45,280 Speaker 1: to home title lock dot com and register your address 435 00:29:45,600 --> 00:29:47,600 Speaker 1: to see if you're already a victim and don't know it. 436 00:29:48,160 --> 00:29:51,080 Speaker 1: Then sign up to help protect the legal title to 437 00:29:51,080 --> 00:29:53,960 Speaker 1: your home. See you don't end up like Deborah, and 438 00:29:54,040 --> 00:29:57,440 Speaker 1: to get you started, you'll sive sixty risk free days 439 00:29:57,440 --> 00:30:01,920 Speaker 1: of protection. Go to home title lock dot com. That's 440 00:30:01,960 --> 00:30:19,600 Speaker 1: home titlelock dot com. Could you share with us how 441 00:30:19,640 --> 00:30:22,720 Speaker 1: you got into the whole business of investigative reporting and 442 00:30:23,240 --> 00:30:26,520 Speaker 1: over the years what you have focused on. In two 443 00:30:26,560 --> 00:30:29,080 Speaker 1: thousand and four to two thousand and five, I told 444 00:30:29,120 --> 00:30:32,120 Speaker 1: my editors, I want to go to the US Mexico border. 445 00:30:32,320 --> 00:30:34,760 Speaker 1: I want to go to Mexico. I want to find 446 00:30:34,800 --> 00:30:38,440 Speaker 1: out what the real story is here that began my 447 00:30:38,600 --> 00:30:42,360 Speaker 1: long career, and when I reached the border, I saw 448 00:30:42,480 --> 00:30:46,600 Speaker 1: things that I never thought existed. Could I could have 449 00:30:46,640 --> 00:30:52,440 Speaker 1: been imagine the security failures, the loopholes, the chorus border situation, 450 00:30:53,000 --> 00:30:56,760 Speaker 1: Mexican military in the pocket of the drug cartels, people 451 00:30:56,800 --> 00:30:58,880 Speaker 1: on our side of the border, in law enforcement in 452 00:30:58,920 --> 00:31:01,960 Speaker 1: the pocket of the drug cartels because they've amassed so 453 00:31:02,080 --> 00:31:04,280 Speaker 1: much money, They've been able to buy people, they've been 454 00:31:04,320 --> 00:31:08,240 Speaker 1: able to blackmail people. The inability for US to actually 455 00:31:08,920 --> 00:31:13,560 Speaker 1: match the resources that the drug cartels had, and the 456 00:31:13,880 --> 00:31:18,360 Speaker 1: very real and dangerous situation that our nation faced. September eleven, 457 00:31:18,440 --> 00:31:20,160 Speaker 1: two thousand and one, I think was a wake up 458 00:31:20,200 --> 00:31:23,200 Speaker 1: call for everybody in this nation that there were enemies 459 00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:26,920 Speaker 1: out there, and these enemies lived in the shadows. There 460 00:31:26,920 --> 00:31:33,000 Speaker 1: were these drug cartels that, without any ideology whatsoever, with 461 00:31:33,080 --> 00:31:37,640 Speaker 1: no loyalty to neither their country nor ours nor humanity, 462 00:31:38,120 --> 00:31:42,000 Speaker 1: were willing to do anything and everything for money and power, 463 00:31:42,360 --> 00:31:45,520 Speaker 1: and that means being able to transport anything that they 464 00:31:45,600 --> 00:31:48,800 Speaker 1: wanted if the price was high enough across the US 465 00:31:48,920 --> 00:31:52,360 Speaker 1: Mexico border. So I spent my career there at the border, 466 00:31:52,840 --> 00:31:57,600 Speaker 1: covering stories from California near the Tijuana Estuary all the 467 00:31:57,640 --> 00:32:02,200 Speaker 1: way up to Matamoros, Mexico. Along the Texas border. I 468 00:32:02,240 --> 00:32:07,560 Speaker 1: remember I came across tunnel systems. I interviewed criminals on 469 00:32:07,560 --> 00:32:09,920 Speaker 1: the Mexican side of the border getting ready to come 470 00:32:09,960 --> 00:32:15,040 Speaker 1: into the United States. I uncovered the fact that the 471 00:32:15,160 --> 00:32:19,760 Speaker 1: Mexican military had actually assisting the drug cartels at that time, 472 00:32:20,200 --> 00:32:23,920 Speaker 1: moving their contraband in here. It opened up a huge 473 00:32:24,560 --> 00:32:28,280 Speaker 1: wide range of stories. I plan on going to Mexico 474 00:32:28,400 --> 00:32:32,360 Speaker 1: this year. I know the situation is extraordinarily dangerous, but 475 00:32:32,440 --> 00:32:36,200 Speaker 1: I think it's worth the risk because this is a 476 00:32:36,280 --> 00:32:41,720 Speaker 1: story that affects our security as Americans. These people operate 477 00:32:41,800 --> 00:32:44,920 Speaker 1: like terrorists. Then the only way that we can fix 478 00:32:44,960 --> 00:32:48,160 Speaker 1: this is by telling the truth and getting that information 479 00:32:48,400 --> 00:32:51,400 Speaker 1: out to the American public so that they can make 480 00:32:51,680 --> 00:32:55,480 Speaker 1: the right decisions with their leadership on how to handle it. 481 00:32:56,160 --> 00:32:57,800 Speaker 1: When you look at all this and you look at 482 00:32:57,840 --> 00:33:03,120 Speaker 1: how in many ways the cartels have gotten stronger, more violent, 483 00:33:04,320 --> 00:33:09,960 Speaker 1: and more dangerous, what do you see is the strategy 484 00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:12,880 Speaker 1: that will break them. I think the only way to 485 00:33:12,920 --> 00:33:16,840 Speaker 1: break these guys is to target their finances and to 486 00:33:16,920 --> 00:33:19,960 Speaker 1: put them on the line. That means designating them foreign 487 00:33:20,040 --> 00:33:23,160 Speaker 1: charist organizations, telling them that we're not going to put 488 00:33:23,240 --> 00:33:26,080 Speaker 1: up with this anymore. This isn't going to be the 489 00:33:26,160 --> 00:33:29,960 Speaker 1: same decades long battle that we've seen in the past, 490 00:33:30,120 --> 00:33:33,560 Speaker 1: because it's never going to end. We have to let 491 00:33:33,560 --> 00:33:37,360 Speaker 1: them know that we mean business, that we are going 492 00:33:37,400 --> 00:33:39,880 Speaker 1: to take them on, and that they will not get 493 00:33:39,880 --> 00:33:42,400 Speaker 1: away with this. We have a president now that can 494 00:33:42,480 --> 00:33:46,360 Speaker 1: do this, and I know he's deliberating this right now, 495 00:33:48,040 --> 00:33:51,560 Speaker 1: but the most important thing is to realize that the 496 00:33:51,600 --> 00:33:55,360 Speaker 1: only way to combat these people at this point in 497 00:33:55,440 --> 00:33:58,160 Speaker 1: time is to put them on notice, to put them 498 00:33:58,200 --> 00:34:02,400 Speaker 1: on call, and to say this is unacceptable. We are 499 00:34:02,400 --> 00:34:05,000 Speaker 1: not going to do this anymore. We're not going to 500 00:34:05,120 --> 00:34:11,520 Speaker 1: lose hundreds of thousands of our citizens because you're poisoning 501 00:34:11,560 --> 00:34:16,640 Speaker 1: our country and now you're bringing in and you're manufacturing setinol, 502 00:34:17,200 --> 00:34:23,879 Speaker 1: a deadly synthetic opioid. You've crossed all wines and they 503 00:34:23,960 --> 00:34:28,239 Speaker 1: understand that. Believe me, when they see that FTO designation, 504 00:34:29,880 --> 00:34:33,440 Speaker 1: they will understand that we've seen this in the past. 505 00:34:34,080 --> 00:34:37,040 Speaker 1: We have people there right now, great men and women, 506 00:34:37,600 --> 00:34:43,560 Speaker 1: training and assisting the Mexican government. But Manuel Lopez opened otherwise. 507 00:34:43,600 --> 00:34:49,160 Speaker 1: The president does not want to do his job. He 508 00:34:49,200 --> 00:34:52,400 Speaker 1: wants to play this game and playcate the drug cartels, 509 00:34:52,440 --> 00:34:55,480 Speaker 1: and that can't happen anymore. In a situation where you 510 00:34:55,520 --> 00:34:59,840 Speaker 1: have the Mexican president opposed to you, how do we operate. Look, 511 00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:05,040 Speaker 1: the Mexican government, unfortunately, because this has been so exacerbated 512 00:35:05,080 --> 00:35:08,719 Speaker 1: for decades, has become a part of the problem. And 513 00:35:08,840 --> 00:35:13,399 Speaker 1: I say this because they've basically been bought, some of them, 514 00:35:13,600 --> 00:35:16,319 Speaker 1: not all of them. There are some great people in 515 00:35:16,360 --> 00:35:19,200 Speaker 1: the federal government that wants to fight this, but their 516 00:35:19,239 --> 00:35:22,360 Speaker 1: lives are on the line. Their families are being threatened. 517 00:35:23,440 --> 00:35:26,400 Speaker 1: Every time they raise their hand to the drug cartels 518 00:35:26,520 --> 00:35:32,080 Speaker 1: or try to stop it, something happens. Politician gets targeted 519 00:35:32,160 --> 00:35:34,840 Speaker 1: or killed. Reporters are killed. One of the most dangerous 520 00:35:34,840 --> 00:35:37,680 Speaker 1: places in the world to report from as Mexico. You're 521 00:35:37,680 --> 00:35:39,719 Speaker 1: putting your life on the line every time you cross 522 00:35:39,760 --> 00:35:43,840 Speaker 1: into Mexico as a journalist to tell the story. Brave 523 00:35:43,920 --> 00:35:49,080 Speaker 1: journalists from Mexico have been killed or injured, or their 524 00:35:49,080 --> 00:35:51,719 Speaker 1: family members have been killed. So this is a very 525 00:35:52,040 --> 00:35:57,360 Speaker 1: serious situation. What has happened in Mexico is effectively a 526 00:35:57,400 --> 00:36:02,839 Speaker 1: shadow government, and some would say a narco state. So 527 00:36:02,880 --> 00:36:07,600 Speaker 1: it's understandable why President Manuel Lopez Obrador would be so 528 00:36:08,520 --> 00:36:12,200 Speaker 1: frightened of taking them on. We've seen it in the past. 529 00:36:12,719 --> 00:36:16,479 Speaker 1: We've seen them strong arms. We've also seen them buy 530 00:36:16,560 --> 00:36:21,120 Speaker 1: out people, very high level officials. So in an effort 531 00:36:21,480 --> 00:36:23,799 Speaker 1: to target them, we need to go one level up. 532 00:36:24,280 --> 00:36:26,760 Speaker 1: We need to say, you know what, not the same game. 533 00:36:26,920 --> 00:36:29,000 Speaker 1: We're not gonna wait for Mexico to throw us a 534 00:36:29,040 --> 00:36:33,240 Speaker 1: bone like El Chappo. After decades of running the Sinaloa cartel, 535 00:36:33,640 --> 00:36:36,239 Speaker 1: he figures even the Mexican government and people in there, 536 00:36:36,320 --> 00:36:39,000 Speaker 1: remember they're playing games with other cartels here. They'll throw 537 00:36:39,080 --> 00:36:42,040 Speaker 1: us a bone. They'll throw us Choppo. Choppo has outlived 538 00:36:42,080 --> 00:36:44,640 Speaker 1: his time. He has caused too much trouble. Let's throw 539 00:36:44,680 --> 00:36:46,600 Speaker 1: the US a bone and then they'll get quiet again. 540 00:36:47,920 --> 00:36:51,960 Speaker 1: We can't get quiet anymore. We need to focus on 541 00:36:52,040 --> 00:36:57,160 Speaker 1: these terrorists, which is what they are, these mass murderers. 542 00:36:57,800 --> 00:37:00,560 Speaker 1: So we need to tell them we are war with you. 543 00:37:01,800 --> 00:37:04,839 Speaker 1: Not just our government, but the people of America need 544 00:37:04,880 --> 00:37:06,760 Speaker 1: to stand up and say we're not going to tolerate 545 00:37:06,760 --> 00:37:10,600 Speaker 1: this anymore. This isn't just about drug addiction. This is 546 00:37:10,640 --> 00:37:14,160 Speaker 1: about you poisoning our country. If we don't do something 547 00:37:14,160 --> 00:37:17,560 Speaker 1: we're taking a gamble. The United States government has the 548 00:37:17,680 --> 00:37:22,799 Speaker 1: resources and the capacity to target these cartels. We have 549 00:37:23,040 --> 00:37:27,040 Speaker 1: very well trained military personnel. We also have people within 550 00:37:27,080 --> 00:37:31,280 Speaker 1: the d EA, within the FBI. And if our agencies 551 00:37:31,360 --> 00:37:36,000 Speaker 1: could fall once just cooperate and work together and be 552 00:37:36,080 --> 00:37:39,600 Speaker 1: held accountable, that's the big thing here. We are never 553 00:37:39,680 --> 00:37:42,960 Speaker 1: going to resolve the crisis until our agencies are held 554 00:37:43,000 --> 00:37:46,760 Speaker 1: accountable and can show actual progress that they're working together 555 00:37:46,840 --> 00:37:49,320 Speaker 1: to target them. So even if we designate them for 556 00:37:49,440 --> 00:37:54,320 Speaker 1: interist organizations, if those agencies aren't sharing information and cooperating together, 557 00:37:54,640 --> 00:37:57,239 Speaker 1: we're not going to be successful. The only way we're 558 00:37:57,239 --> 00:38:00,040 Speaker 1: going to be successful is if we work together to 559 00:38:00,080 --> 00:38:03,080 Speaker 1: find a common solution, and if we designate them for 560 00:38:03,239 --> 00:38:06,640 Speaker 1: interrorist organizations. And I'm talking about maybe the top three 561 00:38:06,719 --> 00:38:10,640 Speaker 1: or the top four drug cartels in Mexico. We see 562 00:38:11,000 --> 00:38:13,840 Speaker 1: their accounts, We see is where they're wandering their money, 563 00:38:14,280 --> 00:38:17,480 Speaker 1: We see those businesses. We work with the Mexican government 564 00:38:17,480 --> 00:38:20,480 Speaker 1: and we root out corruption inside Mexico and inside the 565 00:38:20,560 --> 00:38:25,160 Speaker 1: United States, then we can make progress. Well, look, I 566 00:38:25,200 --> 00:38:28,720 Speaker 1: want to thank you, thank you so much. New Next, 567 00:38:29,040 --> 00:38:32,480 Speaker 1: what we can do to protect all Americans from the 568 00:38:32,480 --> 00:38:44,840 Speaker 1: opioid epidemic. Hi, this is NEWT. I'd like to invite 569 00:38:44,840 --> 00:38:47,720 Speaker 1: you to join my Inner Circle. 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What is 587 00:40:11,760 --> 00:40:16,200 Speaker 1: our strategy for stopping or dramatically limiting the flow of drugs. 588 00:40:17,080 --> 00:40:21,799 Speaker 1: What's our strategy for destroying the cartels, and then what's 589 00:40:21,840 --> 00:40:24,120 Speaker 1: our strategy for the kids. If you look at the 590 00:40:24,160 --> 00:40:27,359 Speaker 1: number of suicides and the number of drug addictions, there 591 00:40:27,480 --> 00:40:31,440 Speaker 1: is a spiritual crisis here that doesn't fit our political language, 592 00:40:31,840 --> 00:40:36,160 Speaker 1: but that's real. Any serious American strategy has to take 593 00:40:36,200 --> 00:40:40,200 Speaker 1: into account those kind of challenges. We have no strategy 594 00:40:40,280 --> 00:40:44,759 Speaker 1: either for drug addiction in America or for defeating the 595 00:40:44,800 --> 00:40:47,560 Speaker 1: cartels in Mexico, and that puts us I think, at 596 00:40:47,600 --> 00:40:55,360 Speaker 1: real risk. Thank you to my guests, Missy and Michael 597 00:40:55,360 --> 00:40:58,840 Speaker 1: Owen and Sarah Carter. You can read more about the 598 00:40:58,920 --> 00:41:02,640 Speaker 1: Davis Direction Foundation and get a link to the documentary 599 00:41:02,960 --> 00:41:07,319 Speaker 1: Not in Vain on our show page at newtsworld dot com. 600 00:41:07,480 --> 00:41:11,400 Speaker 1: Newtsworld is produced by Westwood One. Our executive producer is 601 00:41:11,480 --> 00:41:16,080 Speaker 1: Debbie Myers, and our producer is Garnsey Slow. Our editor 602 00:41:16,239 --> 00:41:20,759 Speaker 1: is Robert Barowski, and our researcher is Rachel Peterson. 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