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Speaker 1: Ladies and gentlemen, Welcome to the battle Ground Podcast. This

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Speaker 1: is a podcast all about professional wrestling, joined Battle and

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Speaker 1: Eli as a breakdown what's going on in the world

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Speaker 1: of professional wrestling with special guests, including some of your

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Speaker 2: You never know who's.

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Speaker 1: Gonna stop by now making their way to the microphone.

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Speaker 3: Give it up to.

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Speaker 1: The greatest podcast team in the world, Battle and Eli.

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Speaker 4: Check. Hey, hey, Test Test Test.

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Speaker 2: Can't be here. We go. That's gonna be the intro

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Speaker 3: I don't really know how to start the show after

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Speaker 3: we just do tech check check one two, right.

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Speaker 4: I don't know what else to say.

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Speaker 3: Welcome to a special, very special edition of the Battleground Podcast.

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Speaker 3: I am your host Battle along with my co host

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Speaker 3: and tag team partner Eli.

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Speaker 2: We're in the building.

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Speaker 3: It is Saturday, and you're probably like, why are you

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Speaker 3: doing a podcast on a Saturday. You really want to

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Speaker 3: know why we're doing a podcast on a Saturday, because

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Speaker 3: if somebody is in the building, which is exciting because

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Speaker 3: Eli's trying not to fan girl and the guy in

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Speaker 5: Think, yeah, this one's probably the first time I really

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Speaker 3: As he's sitting over here just kind of grinning out.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: On the on the Horror podcast, we've interviewed a bunch

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Speaker 5: of horror legends, and we've obviously interviewed a lot of

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Speaker 5: wrestling people here, but this gentleman kind of blurs the

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Speaker 5: line between the music and wrestling. And I've played guitar

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Speaker 5: for twenty years now. He was a huge influence on that.

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Speaker 5: So yeah, very stoked.

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Speaker 3: And I will now tell you that in the building,

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Speaker 3: the man that has brought back wrestling.

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Speaker 2: Yes, he has brought back wrestling.

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Speaker 4: N w A wrestling on z board itself. Do what

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Speaker 4: he said, he brought back wrestling, like he brought back

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Speaker 3: He did bring it back because it is exciting time

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Speaker 3: for wrestling. The president of NWA is in the building,

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Speaker 3: Billy Corgan is on the show. How are you doing.

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Speaker 2: I'm here great. We had a great day just bumming

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Speaker 3: Now you got a show over at the Country Music

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Speaker 3: Hall of Fame. We're gonna kind of talk about that

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Speaker 3: here in just a little bit. But since your last

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Speaker 3: solo record, you toured behind the record, brought some original

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Speaker 3: members of the Pumpkins back into the fold of the

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Speaker 3: release of the new album. Extremely successful tour. You had

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Speaker 3: your second child, Congratulations, You recorded a new solo album

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Speaker 3: which is dropping on the twenty second of this month,

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Speaker 3: and well, you purchased one of the biggest iconic brands

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Speaker 2: Well, you know, i didn't really plan on making an

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Speaker 2: And cool thing was I recorded the album I Hear

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Speaker 2: you can really feel the root of country music and

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Speaker 2: So I feel this is this is like, even though

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Speaker 3: Now? Is it hard to find things to write about

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Speaker 2: No, No, I'm not a proponent that that a misery

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Speaker 2: have a loss in your life, you know, you turn

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Speaker 2: to certain type of music because it kind of carries

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Speaker 2: you know, we played your song when our kid was

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Speaker 2: I mean, that blows my mind. So that says that

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Speaker 4: So the new the new album is gonna be called

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Speaker 4: the Cotillions.

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Speaker 4: You've already been quoted as saying it's a labor of love.

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Speaker 2: They're all labors of love, right, which is kind of

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Speaker 2: the irony of the quote, But go ahead.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, Well, pertaining to that, could you kind of expand

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Speaker 2: And sure, as far as the labor and love labor

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Speaker 2: So you have to believe in the music you're making

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Speaker 2: As far as being here in Nashville, I think it

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Speaker 5: One thing I've always liked about you, and you know,

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Speaker 5: I think it was the short film that came out

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Speaker 2: And seven times.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, when you were like at the Orange Pill and.

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Speaker 2: Oh, yeah, two thousand and seven. Yeah, oh, you're talking

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Speaker 5: Yes, and you know, you you really had this kind

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Speaker 4: Yeah, but I mean you're your fourth thinking.

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Speaker 5: I mean the last probably three or four Pumpkins records

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Speaker 4: To Night to Night.

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Speaker 2: Joking on stage there because somebody said something, and I said,

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Speaker 2: but it's just I think I'm actually going to write

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Speaker 2: it's just too good, right, It's it's like die hard for.

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Speaker 5: But it's just it's always, you know, you're always kind

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Speaker 2: I appreciate that. Yeah, I don't know if that's a question,

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Speaker 2: two new Pumpkins albums actually at the same time. And yeah,

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Speaker 2: it's crazy so that the Pumpkins album is the new

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Speaker 2: solo stuff is seventeen songs, and the Pumpkins album is

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Speaker 2: twenty one songs. Twenty four songs at wow. Yeah, so

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Speaker 2: my double duder right there. Yeah, But what I was

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Speaker 2: saying the other day was, and this is a person

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Speaker 2: like a producer type, and the way you put it

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Speaker 2: sounds really nice, But the truth of the matters is

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Speaker 2: I'm almost incapable of repeating myself. I just don't have

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Speaker 2: with what I'm doing, and if I'm not, I can't

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Speaker 2: fake it. I'm not a good fake it till you

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Speaker 2: do whatever you need to do. I just don't have

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Speaker 3: Well, you know, sometimes songwriters often kind of compare their

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Speaker 2: So I'm gonna kind of put you on the stop.

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Speaker 2: This might be hard.

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Speaker 3: But if you had to persuade a listener to check

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Speaker 3: out one track off the new album, what song would

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Speaker 2: I would say, it's listening to a song called hard Times.

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Speaker 2: It's very simple. It's almost like formulaic sixties Nashville pop.

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Speaker 2: Songs probably about two and a half minutes long, but

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Speaker 5: Sure, I've got a couple just kind of like maybe

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Speaker 4: What is the perfect guitary.

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Speaker 2: So I probably did about six seven times before I

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Speaker 2: I don't love them anymore, but at the time I

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Speaker 4: You'd find not known for that period of being great.

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Speaker 5: How did your relationship with Yamaha develop, and you know,

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Speaker 2: Sure. I think Jeff Schroeder from The Pumpkins had had

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Speaker 4: Yeah, they fly under the radar, especially with their acoustics.

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Speaker 2: I've not had one complaint on my signature acoustic and

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Speaker 2: Mayamaha is the exact same one you buy. I got

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Speaker 4: Uh. This is the last kind of geared question you

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Speaker 3: That's that's that's he's the gearhead on the show.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, Like I even I got into the MTS stuff

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Speaker 4: Sorry, it's like the Salvation mods.

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Speaker 5: Oh yeah, Like I've got I've got an Orange mod,

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Speaker 2: Have you bought from Salvation?

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Speaker 4: I haven't.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, the ones that I use is jaded faith there

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Jeff was telling me about that. Yeah, I haven't

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Speaker 5: So the best thing I can compare it to is

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Speaker 2: Well for years for me as a guitarist and anybody

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Speaker 2: amp with the really good clean sound, it had like

440
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Speaker 2: sort of an okay, you could never get the perfect combo.

441
00:19:02,040 --> 00:19:03,800
Speaker 2: And with this I was able to get like I

442
00:19:03,840 --> 00:19:04,399
Speaker 2: have it all.

443
00:19:04,359 --> 00:19:06,360
Speaker 4: Really and it was like you had to pick one

444
00:19:06,400 --> 00:19:07,240
Speaker 4: app to try to cover.

445
00:19:07,359 --> 00:19:10,280
Speaker 2: Oh my god, Oh my god. Yeah, you're taking me

446
00:19:10,320 --> 00:19:11,920
Speaker 2: back to the days of pain.

447
00:19:12,119 --> 00:19:12,359
Speaker 4: Yeah.

448
00:19:13,720 --> 00:19:16,959
Speaker 5: But yeah, so you know, back in my formative guitar

449
00:19:17,240 --> 00:19:17,880
Speaker 5: starting days.

450
00:19:17,960 --> 00:19:20,000
Speaker 4: You interviewed Edi van Halen for Guitar World.

451
00:19:20,280 --> 00:19:21,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, nineteen ninety eight.

452
00:19:21,640 --> 00:19:24,760
Speaker 5: Yeah, if you took ed roll now, who would you

453
00:19:24,800 --> 00:19:25,760
Speaker 5: want to interview you?

454
00:19:25,840 --> 00:19:28,359
Speaker 4: Now? Like a young musician artist?

455
00:19:28,520 --> 00:19:31,879
Speaker 2: Oh gosh, that's a great question. I don't know. I

456
00:19:31,920 --> 00:19:33,920
Speaker 2: know there's a lot of great young guitar players out there,

457
00:19:33,960 --> 00:19:37,919
Speaker 2: but it seems that world's gone into super wonky nerdland

458
00:19:38,040 --> 00:19:40,760
Speaker 2: and that loses me. Not because it's bad, I just

459
00:19:40,840 --> 00:19:43,480
Speaker 2: I don't understand it. It's kind of all over the place.

460
00:19:43,520 --> 00:19:43,680
Speaker 3: Now.

461
00:19:43,720 --> 00:19:46,439
Speaker 2: Well, I grew up in an era where if you

462
00:19:46,480 --> 00:19:48,600
Speaker 2: were a great guitar player, you were in a great band.

463
00:19:49,280 --> 00:19:51,879
Speaker 2: So you weren't just hearing Richie Blackmore play a great solo.

464
00:19:51,920 --> 00:19:55,960
Speaker 2: You were hearing Smoke on the Water, you know, Space Truck,

465
00:19:55,960 --> 00:19:57,520
Speaker 2: and you were hearing that. You know, you got the

466
00:19:57,560 --> 00:20:00,560
Speaker 2: whole kit and kaboodle. So the idea that somebody is

467
00:20:00,600 --> 00:20:03,000
Speaker 2: just gonna go crazy on guitar for four or five minutes,

468
00:20:03,040 --> 00:20:06,960
Speaker 2: I even though I can certainly respect it, I just

469
00:20:07,000 --> 00:20:10,120
Speaker 2: can't contextually. It's hard for me to follow it makes sense.

470
00:20:10,680 --> 00:20:13,200
Speaker 3: Our guest right now in the studio, where is Billy Corgan? Now,

471
00:20:13,240 --> 00:20:15,440
Speaker 3: it's kind of the time that we get to transition

472
00:20:15,520 --> 00:20:18,320
Speaker 3: into wrestling. This is this is where we get excited.

473
00:20:18,440 --> 00:20:21,200
Speaker 3: We have a wrestling book in the studio. We can

474
00:20:21,240 --> 00:20:22,360
Speaker 3: talk about wrestling.

475
00:20:22,440 --> 00:20:23,200
Speaker 4: So uh.

476
00:20:23,320 --> 00:20:25,399
Speaker 3: Kind of after the situation that happened with Impact, I

477
00:20:25,400 --> 00:20:27,280
Speaker 3: mean a lot of people have seen some stuff. How

478
00:20:27,280 --> 00:20:30,080
Speaker 3: did the I guess the talks of purchasing the nw

479
00:20:30,160 --> 00:20:30,760
Speaker 3: A come about?

480
00:20:31,440 --> 00:20:34,600
Speaker 2: Well, David Legan and I David's the vice president of

481
00:20:34,880 --> 00:20:38,040
Speaker 2: the n w A. Uh, we were both at Impact

482
00:20:38,040 --> 00:20:41,120
Speaker 2: and we left literally one day from from from from

483
00:20:41,119 --> 00:20:44,040
Speaker 2: each other. Uh, and then you know, we said do

484
00:20:44,080 --> 00:20:45,800
Speaker 2: we want to do something? And then we said around

485
00:20:45,800 --> 00:20:47,520
Speaker 2: and said, well do we call it Billy Corgan wrestling.

486
00:20:47,520 --> 00:20:48,960
Speaker 2: Do we start, you know, do we find do we

487
00:20:48,960 --> 00:20:52,879
Speaker 2: get in business with somebody else who's already running. And

488
00:20:52,920 --> 00:20:54,840
Speaker 2: then we sort of bandied about the idea that the

489
00:20:54,920 --> 00:20:57,480
Speaker 2: nw A might be for sale. There was a guy

490
00:20:57,520 --> 00:21:01,440
Speaker 2: in Texas who owned it solely, and we entered negotiations

491
00:21:01,480 --> 00:21:02,840
Speaker 2: and we were able to purchase it. And then it

492
00:21:02,840 --> 00:21:04,199
Speaker 2: was kind of the thing of like, okay, now you

493
00:21:04,200 --> 00:21:07,000
Speaker 2: own the NWA. Now what right? And uh and a

494
00:21:07,040 --> 00:21:10,280
Speaker 2: lot of people, including a very own Jim Cornette, who's

495
00:21:10,280 --> 00:21:14,080
Speaker 2: you know, the color announcer on NWA Power, you know,

496
00:21:14,160 --> 00:21:16,080
Speaker 2: kind of scratched their heads and said what is he doing?

497
00:21:17,400 --> 00:21:18,600
Speaker 2: Like is this even?

498
00:21:18,720 --> 00:21:18,760
Speaker 1: What?

499
00:21:18,920 --> 00:21:21,120
Speaker 2: What do you do with that? Is it a trophy?

500
00:21:21,320 --> 00:21:23,600
Speaker 2: Is it a And so we you know, we took

501
00:21:23,640 --> 00:21:27,080
Speaker 2: a very slow, methodical approach to rebuilding and bringing back

502
00:21:27,119 --> 00:21:29,600
Speaker 2: the name. So if you're an old school NWA fan,

503
00:21:30,840 --> 00:21:32,600
Speaker 2: you can look at it with pride and say that's

504
00:21:33,200 --> 00:21:36,040
Speaker 2: what I remember, that's close to the product I remember.

505
00:21:36,400 --> 00:21:38,720
Speaker 2: And if you're a new fan, new school fan, you know,

506
00:21:38,760 --> 00:21:40,760
Speaker 2: there's enough on there for you where you don't feel

507
00:21:40,800 --> 00:21:42,679
Speaker 2: like it's not a step with the world that we

508
00:21:42,720 --> 00:21:45,480
Speaker 2: live in. So I didn't I answered a question you'd ask.

509
00:21:45,520 --> 00:21:49,240
Speaker 5: But yeah, Well it's funny because being from the southeast,

510
00:21:49,240 --> 00:21:51,720
Speaker 5: I mean, it was pretty much in w A country.

511
00:21:51,760 --> 00:21:53,400
Speaker 2: And I was his NWA.

512
00:21:53,680 --> 00:21:55,960
Speaker 5: It is it is again, it is never went away, Yes,

513
00:21:56,560 --> 00:21:59,800
Speaker 5: But I was one of those people that I assumed

514
00:21:59,840 --> 00:22:03,080
Speaker 5: that when Turner bought all that, I thought he I

515
00:22:03,080 --> 00:22:05,920
Speaker 5: thought he bought the NWA, But he just bought Jim Crockett.

516
00:22:06,040 --> 00:22:10,120
Speaker 2: He bought Jim Crockett Promotions, yes, and then a Lone yeah,

517
00:22:10,119 --> 00:22:12,359
Speaker 2: and then like Starkade and those things went with it.

518
00:22:12,680 --> 00:22:14,679
Speaker 2: So yeah, so that's where some of the confusion went in.

519
00:22:14,720 --> 00:22:16,160
Speaker 2: And I probably would have thought the.

520
00:22:16,119 --> 00:22:18,040
Speaker 5: Same, yeah, because I think it was I think the

521
00:22:18,119 --> 00:22:20,840
Speaker 5: n w A show was called World Championship Wrestling, and

522
00:22:20,880 --> 00:22:22,600
Speaker 5: then when he bought it, he just named that.

523
00:22:22,600 --> 00:22:22,919
Speaker 4: That's it.

524
00:22:22,920 --> 00:22:24,639
Speaker 2: It's very it's very convoluted.

525
00:22:24,760 --> 00:22:28,440
Speaker 5: Yeah, So you know, to hear that you had bought,

526
00:22:28,560 --> 00:22:29,840
Speaker 5: you know, at first, it was like a lot of

527
00:22:29,840 --> 00:22:31,400
Speaker 5: people's like, did he just buy the name?

528
00:22:31,560 --> 00:22:33,000
Speaker 4: Is he's buying the right? Like what's you know?

529
00:22:33,160 --> 00:22:33,360
Speaker 2: Yeah?

530
00:22:33,400 --> 00:22:36,120
Speaker 4: So to see what's happened in two years has been awesome.

531
00:22:36,240 --> 00:22:36,560
Speaker 2: Thank you.

532
00:22:37,400 --> 00:22:40,960
Speaker 5: So talking you know, one of the marquee things that

533
00:22:41,040 --> 00:22:43,200
Speaker 5: happened after you owned it, Cody versus.

534
00:22:43,040 --> 00:22:44,000
Speaker 4: Nick autus at all in.

535
00:22:44,200 --> 00:22:47,879
Speaker 5: Yeah, I went there. I loved it first time in

536
00:22:47,960 --> 00:22:50,479
Speaker 5: Chicago too, so that was awesome. I put that as

537
00:22:50,520 --> 00:22:51,959
Speaker 5: my match of the Year for twenty eighteen.

538
00:22:53,440 --> 00:22:54,880
Speaker 2: Like this'll be happy to hear you said.

539
00:22:55,000 --> 00:22:55,200
Speaker 4: Yeah.

540
00:22:55,280 --> 00:22:55,480
Speaker 2: Yeah.

541
00:22:55,760 --> 00:22:57,680
Speaker 5: We talked to Cody a couple of weeks ago told

542
00:22:57,760 --> 00:22:58,440
Speaker 5: him the same thing.

543
00:22:59,520 --> 00:23:02,920
Speaker 4: You know. To me, it reminded me of a you know.

544
00:23:03,760 --> 00:23:06,480
Speaker 5: Almost like an Ali Frasier from the seventies, like it

545
00:23:06,560 --> 00:23:10,359
Speaker 5: had a big fight feel to it. Yeah, And I

546
00:23:10,359 --> 00:23:13,359
Speaker 5: can't even explain to people when the bell hit and

547
00:23:13,400 --> 00:23:15,600
Speaker 5: they're just looking at each other and it just, I mean.

548
00:23:15,640 --> 00:23:17,760
Speaker 2: The raw emotion I've never believable.

549
00:23:17,800 --> 00:23:19,920
Speaker 4: I've never had anything like that at a wrestling event.

550
00:23:20,080 --> 00:23:23,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm I'm hopeful. Started to jump in. Yeh, we've

551
00:23:23,119 --> 00:23:27,520
Speaker 2: had to Cody Nick both great. The second took place

552
00:23:27,560 --> 00:23:31,600
Speaker 2: at NWA seventy where Nick won the belt back. I'm hopeful.

553
00:23:31,720 --> 00:23:34,280
Speaker 2: Even though we're you know, we're they're they're on a

554
00:23:34,280 --> 00:23:37,440
Speaker 2: different directory now with aw and doing quite well with it.

555
00:23:37,600 --> 00:23:40,000
Speaker 2: I'm still hopeful we'll see more Cody Nick. It's just

556
00:23:40,040 --> 00:23:40,480
Speaker 2: too good.

557
00:23:40,680 --> 00:23:40,920
Speaker 4: Yeah.

558
00:23:41,000 --> 00:23:44,600
Speaker 2: Set aside all the politics, all the business because obviously

559
00:23:44,640 --> 00:23:46,760
Speaker 2: I'm on the business side here. If you're just a

560
00:23:46,800 --> 00:23:48,960
Speaker 2: pure wrestling fan, which I think both of us are,

561
00:23:50,119 --> 00:23:54,520
Speaker 2: that's there's something there that's that's like Dusty Flair. Oh yeah,

562
00:23:54,560 --> 00:23:56,480
Speaker 2: And I know that. I know it's a little close

563
00:23:56,520 --> 00:23:58,520
Speaker 2: on the nose because we're talking about the Rhodes family,

564
00:23:58,760 --> 00:24:02,359
Speaker 2: but there's something about at that old school, new school,

565
00:24:02,600 --> 00:24:05,520
Speaker 2: two guys in their absolute prime. There's something about that, man,

566
00:24:05,600 --> 00:24:06,760
Speaker 2: that's just that's the best.

567
00:24:06,880 --> 00:24:07,200
Speaker 4: Yeah.

568
00:24:07,240 --> 00:24:09,800
Speaker 5: And I just think the build up with Ten Pounds

569
00:24:09,840 --> 00:24:14,760
Speaker 5: of Gold, the video series, and it's one of those

570
00:24:14,840 --> 00:24:18,520
Speaker 5: where you look at the other company with the three

571
00:24:18,600 --> 00:24:21,520
Speaker 5: letters owned by someone named Vince.

572
00:24:21,359 --> 00:24:23,080
Speaker 2: Well, there's a few, there's a few other.

573
00:24:25,119 --> 00:24:26,920
Speaker 5: And you look at this and it's like, well, how

574
00:24:26,960 --> 00:24:29,800
Speaker 5: did they create a story like this with this much emotion,

575
00:24:30,720 --> 00:24:34,600
Speaker 5: this much fanfare, with you know, probably not as much

576
00:24:34,600 --> 00:24:35,400
Speaker 5: resources as them.

577
00:24:35,400 --> 00:24:36,680
Speaker 4: You know, it's just it's a head scratcher.

578
00:24:36,680 --> 00:24:38,639
Speaker 2: But let me take you in to slight of the

579
00:24:38,680 --> 00:24:41,719
Speaker 2: different direction. You know, we experienced very similar things with

580
00:24:42,160 --> 00:24:45,480
Speaker 2: the Pumpkins, Nirvana, Pearl Jam. There was that period of

581
00:24:45,480 --> 00:24:49,160
Speaker 2: time where the music business was very set in its

582
00:24:49,200 --> 00:24:52,960
Speaker 2: ways and then here comes this totally different thing, which

583
00:24:53,000 --> 00:24:56,000
Speaker 2: nobody could have predicted. I mean, we would talk to

584
00:24:56,040 --> 00:24:58,879
Speaker 2: major labels as early as nineteen eighty nine and they

585
00:24:58,920 --> 00:25:02,280
Speaker 2: would basically say things like, yeah, you guys are good,

586
00:25:02,280 --> 00:25:05,000
Speaker 2: but you'll never sell any records, or this type of

587
00:25:05,080 --> 00:25:07,400
Speaker 2: music will never be big, or whatever they would say

588
00:25:07,400 --> 00:25:09,200
Speaker 2: because in their minds, rock and roll has been around

589
00:25:09,200 --> 00:25:11,439
Speaker 2: for fifty years. They've seen it, they've done it, the

590
00:25:11,480 --> 00:25:14,280
Speaker 2: Black Sabbaths and the led Zeppelins have come and gone.

591
00:25:14,400 --> 00:25:16,320
Speaker 2: You're never going to see this type of thing ever

592
00:25:16,400 --> 00:25:19,040
Speaker 2: happen again. They were so sure of it. And then

593
00:25:19,320 --> 00:25:22,120
Speaker 2: when that bomb went off, when never Mind hit, it

594
00:25:22,200 --> 00:25:25,080
Speaker 2: was like the world completely changed. And so I think

595
00:25:25,119 --> 00:25:29,119
Speaker 2: in terms of professional wrestling, the early evidence is in

596
00:25:29,400 --> 00:25:32,160
Speaker 2: something's happening. We're in the midst of a new era

597
00:25:32,160 --> 00:25:35,399
Speaker 2: of professional wrestling. So as a fan fantastic as a

598
00:25:35,400 --> 00:25:38,439
Speaker 2: business person, I made a really good bet. I've been

599
00:25:38,440 --> 00:25:41,359
Speaker 2: telling people for two, three, four five years something's come,

600
00:25:41,400 --> 00:25:43,639
Speaker 2: and something's coming. Nobody wants to believe me. I've had

601
00:25:43,720 --> 00:25:45,879
Speaker 2: I can't tell any meanings I've had in LA with

602
00:25:45,960 --> 00:25:48,879
Speaker 2: people who've done billion dollar shows and ran networks, and

603
00:25:48,880 --> 00:25:51,879
Speaker 2: they'd looked at me and said no future, none, zero,

604
00:25:52,000 --> 00:25:55,720
Speaker 2: forget about it. So my point is is what I'm

605
00:25:55,720 --> 00:25:58,000
Speaker 2: trying to say in so many words, is there's something

606
00:25:58,040 --> 00:26:01,000
Speaker 2: about when everybody's so sure that there can't something can happen.

607
00:26:01,040 --> 00:26:03,919
Speaker 2: That's exactly when it does happen. Like they say, you

608
00:26:03,960 --> 00:26:06,159
Speaker 2: fall in love when you stop looking for it. And

609
00:26:06,200 --> 00:26:09,000
Speaker 2: I think what we're having now is so the great

610
00:26:09,080 --> 00:26:11,360
Speaker 2: thing if you're a fan of professional wrestling. The great

611
00:26:11,359 --> 00:26:13,439
Speaker 2: thing is is what's happening is going to change the

612
00:26:13,440 --> 00:26:16,400
Speaker 2: business for the better. The fans are being heard now

613
00:26:16,520 --> 00:26:19,680
Speaker 2: and the market's going to respond. People like me are listening.

614
00:26:20,320 --> 00:26:22,439
Speaker 2: It only gets difficult when and I call it the

615
00:26:22,440 --> 00:26:25,600
Speaker 2: Star Wars effect, where the fans start booking the movie

616
00:26:26,440 --> 00:26:29,400
Speaker 2: and then the movie's not as good because you can't

617
00:26:29,480 --> 00:26:31,520
Speaker 2: let the fans book the movie. There's a point where

618
00:26:31,520 --> 00:26:33,720
Speaker 2: it's like, fans can't write my songs, and there's a

619
00:26:33,760 --> 00:26:35,400
Speaker 2: lot of fans out there wanting me to write Siamese

620
00:26:35,480 --> 00:26:37,479
Speaker 2: Dream too, But that's not who I am. You know,

621
00:26:37,640 --> 00:26:39,480
Speaker 2: It wasn't who I am when I wrote Sime's Dream won.

622
00:26:40,400 --> 00:26:43,399
Speaker 2: So that's just the way it goes, and that's why

623
00:26:43,480 --> 00:26:46,440
Speaker 2: it's up for people like me and David Legana and

624
00:26:46,480 --> 00:26:48,919
Speaker 2: Tony Kahan and Cody Rhodes and the books to figure

625
00:26:48,920 --> 00:26:50,600
Speaker 2: out what this new world's going to be, and in

626
00:26:50,680 --> 00:26:54,919
Speaker 2: essence outpaced the audience's expectation. So if you're if you

627
00:26:54,960 --> 00:26:58,600
Speaker 2: as a fan, are watching and paying attention, they're keeping

628
00:26:58,640 --> 00:27:00,439
Speaker 2: you engage with where it goes next and where it

629
00:27:00,440 --> 00:27:02,400
Speaker 2: goes next and where it goes next. And I think

630
00:27:02,440 --> 00:27:04,480
Speaker 2: that's that's that's where the skill comes in.

631
00:27:05,200 --> 00:27:06,919
Speaker 3: You know, one thing that we're big fans of is

632
00:27:06,960 --> 00:27:09,200
Speaker 3: we love n W A Power On Tuesday Night. It's

633
00:27:09,240 --> 00:27:11,120
Speaker 3: we sit here back and forth texting be like, hey,

634
00:27:11,119 --> 00:27:11,520
Speaker 3: did you see it?

635
00:27:11,520 --> 00:27:12,320
Speaker 2: Did you see it? Did you see it?

636
00:27:12,359 --> 00:27:14,000
Speaker 3: The good thing about it being on YouTube is the

637
00:27:14,000 --> 00:27:15,840
Speaker 3: fact that you can kind of pause and stop pause.

638
00:27:16,119 --> 00:27:17,160
Speaker 2: You don't have to like DVR.

639
00:27:17,280 --> 00:27:20,119
Speaker 3: You can have it accessible anywhere, including a cell phone.

640
00:27:21,040 --> 00:27:24,120
Speaker 3: So after about five shows of NWA Powers up there, who,

641
00:27:24,200 --> 00:27:27,520
Speaker 3: in your opinion is I guess the quote unquote m

642
00:27:27,560 --> 00:27:28,640
Speaker 3: VP of the show so far.

643
00:27:30,480 --> 00:27:33,760
Speaker 2: That's a great question. I mean you you we knew

644
00:27:33,800 --> 00:27:35,520
Speaker 2: going and Nick was going to be Nick Alls the

645
00:27:35,600 --> 00:27:38,040
Speaker 2: champion was going to be an important piece. I would

646
00:27:38,040 --> 00:27:41,719
Speaker 2: have to say a Camille and his his his his

647
00:27:42,080 --> 00:27:43,720
Speaker 2: insurance politicis.

648
00:27:45,200 --> 00:27:49,359
Speaker 3: And she she she is an amazing person and she's

649
00:27:49,400 --> 00:27:49,760
Speaker 3: a star.

650
00:27:50,760 --> 00:27:53,600
Speaker 2: When when David legan sorry to talk over you, but

651
00:27:53,640 --> 00:27:56,879
Speaker 2: when David leganas sent me, uh stuff on her and

652
00:27:56,880 --> 00:27:59,359
Speaker 2: he said, what do you think about her? She was

653
00:27:59,640 --> 00:28:02,159
Speaker 2: in BW system for a hot second. She you know,

654
00:28:02,200 --> 00:28:04,040
Speaker 2: she did lingerie, football, blah blah blah, what do you

655
00:28:04,040 --> 00:28:05,680
Speaker 2: think about her? I took one look at her and

656
00:28:05,680 --> 00:28:07,840
Speaker 2: I said, how tall is she? I think he's about

657
00:28:07,880 --> 00:28:12,600
Speaker 2: five ten. I looked at her age, her looks, and

658
00:28:12,600 --> 00:28:14,000
Speaker 2: then you get to know her as a person, which

659
00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:15,280
Speaker 2: you got to know her a little bit. You think,

660
00:28:15,320 --> 00:28:17,680
Speaker 2: you look at it, go there's a star. Yeah, there's

661
00:28:17,680 --> 00:28:18,000
Speaker 2: a star.

662
00:28:18,119 --> 00:28:20,480
Speaker 4: Yeah. I mean when every time she's in a room.

663
00:28:20,560 --> 00:28:24,520
Speaker 2: Is just I mean, she's a star. Yeah. And that's

664
00:28:25,240 --> 00:28:29,480
Speaker 2: that's exactly where the NWA IS is making our mold earliest.

665
00:28:29,800 --> 00:28:32,840
Speaker 2: We've found those people that maybe people think didn't have something,

666
00:28:33,320 --> 00:28:36,879
Speaker 2: they've been overlooked, and we've been able to sort of

667
00:28:37,520 --> 00:28:39,360
Speaker 2: and people saw that in some of the work that

668
00:28:39,360 --> 00:28:41,120
Speaker 2: we were doing with TNA before. We were able to

669
00:28:41,160 --> 00:28:43,440
Speaker 2: take people that people had already passed on. And next

670
00:28:43,520 --> 00:28:46,240
Speaker 2: a perfect example, I mean, how many people passed up

671
00:28:46,280 --> 00:28:49,320
Speaker 2: on Nick Aldos and Uh, and certainly he was a

672
00:28:49,400 --> 00:28:51,640
Speaker 2: champion in TNA, but even then never really got the

673
00:28:51,920 --> 00:28:54,040
Speaker 2: time or the respect he was due. Now he's had

674
00:28:54,080 --> 00:28:56,760
Speaker 2: that opportunity. You look, there's a world class talent. I mean,

675
00:28:56,840 --> 00:28:59,680
Speaker 2: it's it's indisputable, indisputable.

676
00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:02,160
Speaker 4: Reminds me of Triple Age two thousand.

677
00:29:02,640 --> 00:29:04,200
Speaker 2: That's a great that's a great comparison.

678
00:29:04,280 --> 00:29:06,800
Speaker 5: Yeah, just a perfect heel well, and it's kind of

679
00:29:06,800 --> 00:29:09,320
Speaker 5: funny he's kind of bridging that line like he's kind

680
00:29:09,320 --> 00:29:11,520
Speaker 5: of facy and he's kind of heelish and it's like

681
00:29:11,640 --> 00:29:13,320
Speaker 5: he kind of is doing that Triple Age thing kind

682
00:29:13,320 --> 00:29:13,960
Speaker 5: of back and forth.

683
00:29:14,040 --> 00:29:16,280
Speaker 2: Yeah. I remember because I was watching in those times too,

684
00:29:16,320 --> 00:29:19,320
Speaker 2: and I remember not being a Triple H fan early

685
00:29:20,200 --> 00:29:22,280
Speaker 2: and I kept I couldn't understand why they kept booking

686
00:29:22,360 --> 00:29:24,240
Speaker 2: him the way he was, And at some point I

687
00:29:24,280 --> 00:29:25,640
Speaker 2: was like, Okay, now I get it.

688
00:29:25,720 --> 00:29:26,760
Speaker 1: Yeah.

689
00:29:26,800 --> 00:29:29,160
Speaker 2: What's hard for people who aren't in the professional wrestling

690
00:29:29,160 --> 00:29:34,400
Speaker 2: business to understand is UH, a true champion carries the business,

691
00:29:35,240 --> 00:29:39,120
Speaker 2: literally puts the business on their back and carries everybody.

692
00:29:39,400 --> 00:29:42,920
Speaker 2: Everybody does everybody does better. Yeah, they set the tone,

693
00:29:43,560 --> 00:29:47,120
Speaker 2: they set they they they he just Nick sets the

694
00:29:47,120 --> 00:29:50,480
Speaker 2: tone for our company and uh and so he's really

695
00:29:50,640 --> 00:29:53,120
Speaker 2: so he really is the MVP. That's undisputable. But if

696
00:29:53,120 --> 00:29:56,120
Speaker 2: we're picking like just beyond Nick, I think I think, uh,

697
00:29:56,240 --> 00:29:59,120
Speaker 2: I think Camille's the breakout star. I think we will

698
00:29:59,120 --> 00:30:01,280
Speaker 2: look down the road and hopefully she'll always be with

699
00:30:01,320 --> 00:30:03,440
Speaker 2: the NWA, but we will look down the road in

700
00:30:03,960 --> 00:30:06,680
Speaker 2: five seven years and she will be not only one

701
00:30:06,720 --> 00:30:10,800
Speaker 2: of the most famous uh female wrestlers or wrestlers in

702
00:30:10,840 --> 00:30:12,000
Speaker 2: the world. I think she'd be one of the most

703
00:30:12,040 --> 00:30:14,440
Speaker 2: famous women in the world because I think she's such

704
00:30:14,440 --> 00:30:16,040
Speaker 2: a unique skill set.

705
00:30:16,280 --> 00:30:18,880
Speaker 5: Yeah, she told us about I guess she was at

706
00:30:18,880 --> 00:30:22,080
Speaker 5: one of your shows and she met Edge. M if

707
00:30:22,080 --> 00:30:23,840
Speaker 5: she freaked that kind of like how I am right

708
00:30:23,880 --> 00:30:26,960
Speaker 5: now with you? She's that's how she was with Edge Sotory.

709
00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:30,000
Speaker 2: Well, I I she told me that before, because I've

710
00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:33,000
Speaker 2: been friends with Edge for a good fifteen years and

711
00:30:33,160 --> 00:30:35,120
Speaker 2: uh and and so I knew, of course Ed was

712
00:30:35,200 --> 00:30:37,040
Speaker 2: thereicaus to put him on the guestless and uh and

713
00:30:37,200 --> 00:30:38,760
Speaker 2: and I told her that Edge was in the house.

714
00:30:39,240 --> 00:30:42,400
Speaker 2: She got like turned into a fangirl, right and uh

715
00:30:42,440 --> 00:30:44,080
Speaker 2: and so when he was in the room, I totally

716
00:30:44,120 --> 00:30:45,800
Speaker 2: rated her out, and that's what she says.

717
00:30:45,840 --> 00:30:47,960
Speaker 3: She was like, she's talked about a sign that she

718
00:30:48,040 --> 00:30:51,640
Speaker 3: made or something, and then she just turned completely red.

719
00:30:51,760 --> 00:30:54,560
Speaker 2: And yeah, and he's the he's the greatest guy and

720
00:30:54,600 --> 00:30:57,480
Speaker 2: he was so so cool with her. But yeah, I mean, look,

721
00:30:57,960 --> 00:31:00,680
Speaker 2: that's the passion we want in the NWA. You know,

722
00:31:00,920 --> 00:31:02,440
Speaker 2: is Camille going to be a star or is she

723
00:31:02,480 --> 00:31:05,560
Speaker 2: a start? Yes? Is Nick all this carrying coman? Yes?

724
00:31:05,600 --> 00:31:07,280
Speaker 2: But you know what I see behind the scenes. Have

725
00:31:07,400 --> 00:31:09,880
Speaker 2: we all have this equal passion for the business and

726
00:31:09,920 --> 00:31:13,520
Speaker 2: that balance of always being in love with the business.

727
00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:15,560
Speaker 2: You know, you don't want to become too much of

728
00:31:15,560 --> 00:31:17,920
Speaker 2: a fan because you lose sight of what's happening. But

729
00:31:18,120 --> 00:31:20,320
Speaker 2: even me at this age of fifty two, I'm still

730
00:31:20,400 --> 00:31:23,280
Speaker 2: very in love with my musical life. I appreciate the

731
00:31:23,320 --> 00:31:26,840
Speaker 2: fans and there's something about that that really does translate.

732
00:31:26,880 --> 00:31:29,960
Speaker 2: You can really feel it. And I'm not saying it

733
00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:32,160
Speaker 2: always translates the money, but it translates to why you

734
00:31:32,200 --> 00:31:32,440
Speaker 2: do it.

735
00:31:32,600 --> 00:31:37,080
Speaker 5: Yeah, we had talked a little bit before we got

736
00:31:37,080 --> 00:31:42,080
Speaker 5: on the air. The TV tapings have been very very popular.

737
00:31:42,120 --> 00:31:44,240
Speaker 5: I mean we can't get tickets. The pay per views

738
00:31:44,240 --> 00:31:44,720
Speaker 5: sold out.

739
00:31:44,840 --> 00:31:45,440
Speaker 4: That's great.

740
00:31:46,440 --> 00:31:50,560
Speaker 5: You mentioned, you know, possibility to doing touring to some degree.

741
00:31:51,280 --> 00:31:54,960
Speaker 5: Are there plans to do like a like power tour,

742
00:31:55,200 --> 00:31:56,720
Speaker 5: like doing that a different city.

743
00:31:56,840 --> 00:32:01,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, we're hoping it for twenty twenty unless something changes

744
00:32:01,320 --> 00:32:04,440
Speaker 2: with our sort of hosting network situation. We're probably looking

745
00:32:04,480 --> 00:32:06,640
Speaker 2: at running somewhere in the neighborhood of twenty five to

746
00:32:06,640 --> 00:32:10,560
Speaker 2: thirty live dates, and certainly Nashville in this area would

747
00:32:10,560 --> 00:32:12,360
Speaker 2: be one of those destinations. We'd love to run again

748
00:32:12,400 --> 00:32:16,600
Speaker 2: with Crimson. We tried and true. Yeah, we really want

749
00:32:16,640 --> 00:32:20,080
Speaker 2: to take the take this product to everybody. And I

750
00:32:20,080 --> 00:32:24,320
Speaker 2: think you know, our ambition is not vast, you know,

751
00:32:24,360 --> 00:32:26,760
Speaker 2: we you know when we talk about venue size, you know,

752
00:32:26,880 --> 00:32:29,760
Speaker 2: a thousand people is that's great for us. We're not

753
00:32:29,800 --> 00:32:32,520
Speaker 2: trying to do too much too soon. And our style

754
00:32:32,560 --> 00:32:36,360
Speaker 2: of wrestling is really more is more family friendly, you know,

755
00:32:36,400 --> 00:32:38,720
Speaker 2: in the overall sense. I grew up. I grew up

756
00:32:39,160 --> 00:32:41,920
Speaker 2: with a wrestling product that Gramma liked and I liked.

757
00:32:41,960 --> 00:32:43,840
Speaker 2: As a five year old, I literally used to sit

758
00:32:43,880 --> 00:32:46,560
Speaker 2: there with my eighty one year old great grandmother and

759
00:32:46,600 --> 00:32:49,000
Speaker 2: she watched, and I watch, and I want to make

760
00:32:49,040 --> 00:32:51,479
Speaker 2: a product that that spans that I think there's an

761
00:32:51,480 --> 00:32:54,080
Speaker 2: audience out there that really does want that. I get it.

762
00:32:54,120 --> 00:32:56,520
Speaker 2: I get I get be an edgy you know, I

763
00:32:56,560 --> 00:32:58,120
Speaker 2: was in an edgy band and all that stuff. I

764
00:32:58,120 --> 00:33:00,320
Speaker 2: get it. But there's a point where it's like, if

765
00:33:00,360 --> 00:33:02,280
Speaker 2: you really want to reach the bigger pool of people,

766
00:33:02,320 --> 00:33:04,960
Speaker 2: you have to figure out what balances them into something.

767
00:33:05,000 --> 00:33:07,000
Speaker 2: And if you look at mainstream television, there's a reason

768
00:33:07,000 --> 00:33:08,760
Speaker 2: if you look at an NFL game or college game

769
00:33:08,760 --> 00:33:11,280
Speaker 2: and they're not doing anything to goofy playing the game

770
00:33:11,720 --> 00:33:13,800
Speaker 2: and shooting it good. And there's a point where sometimes

771
00:33:13,840 --> 00:33:15,840
Speaker 2: professional wrestling just needs to be that. It's not because

772
00:33:15,840 --> 00:33:17,920
Speaker 2: I don't like the other stuff. I think it's the

773
00:33:17,960 --> 00:33:19,960
Speaker 2: thing that appeals to the most people. Right.

774
00:33:20,400 --> 00:33:21,800
Speaker 3: You know. The one thing that me and Eli have

775
00:33:21,880 --> 00:33:24,280
Speaker 3: kind of talked about that we find is probably one

776
00:33:24,280 --> 00:33:27,760
Speaker 3: of the highlights of watching NWA powers the commercials that.

777
00:33:27,840 --> 00:33:30,160
Speaker 2: Play in between. You have the man in the room

778
00:33:30,240 --> 00:33:31,280
Speaker 2: right now that makes the commercial.

779
00:33:31,280 --> 00:33:33,240
Speaker 3: When I first saw it, I thought, I thought.

780
00:33:33,120 --> 00:33:34,280
Speaker 2: Wait, is this a real guy?

781
00:33:34,360 --> 00:33:37,400
Speaker 3: For a second, and then we saw mister Faulk do

782
00:33:37,480 --> 00:33:39,160
Speaker 3: his thing, and I was like, Okay, this is like

783
00:33:39,320 --> 00:33:40,600
Speaker 3: the greatest thing in the world.

784
00:33:40,720 --> 00:33:42,600
Speaker 2: And so we.

785
00:33:42,520 --> 00:33:43,720
Speaker 4: Love those around.

786
00:33:45,320 --> 00:33:46,040
Speaker 2: LT is the sun.

787
00:33:46,120 --> 00:33:49,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, so what I want to know is what's the

788
00:33:49,080 --> 00:33:53,400
Speaker 3: biggest challenge the NWA currently faces and what measures are

789
00:33:53,440 --> 00:33:54,440
Speaker 3: you doing to overcome that.

790
00:33:55,080 --> 00:33:57,960
Speaker 2: Well, you know, we've been pretty clear in public about

791
00:33:57,960 --> 00:34:01,600
Speaker 2: the idea that I'm funding everything, and the reason we've

792
00:34:01,600 --> 00:34:04,640
Speaker 2: done that is because we want to run an undiluted product.

793
00:34:05,920 --> 00:34:07,880
Speaker 2: David and I want to show exactly what our vision

794
00:34:07,920 --> 00:34:10,479
Speaker 2: is and then we want to try to find a partner. So, yeah,

795
00:34:10,480 --> 00:34:12,320
Speaker 2: we have revenue coming in. We're starting still lots of

796
00:34:12,360 --> 00:34:13,920
Speaker 2: T shirts and all that type of stuff, and we're

797
00:34:13,920 --> 00:34:16,200
Speaker 2: even getting paid for some of our commercials, which is fantastic.

798
00:34:16,640 --> 00:34:18,799
Speaker 2: But at the end of the day, you know, I'm

799
00:34:18,800 --> 00:34:21,560
Speaker 2: putting out more money than we're getting in. But the

800
00:34:21,600 --> 00:34:24,160
Speaker 2: reason I haven't compromised on that to that extent is

801
00:34:24,200 --> 00:34:28,440
Speaker 2: I don't want to change the product I pitched. I

802
00:34:28,480 --> 00:34:33,040
Speaker 2: pitched the NDWA Power Show that you see on YouTube.

803
00:34:33,440 --> 00:34:35,759
Speaker 2: You know once a week gets six o five on Tuesdays.

804
00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:39,160
Speaker 2: That is exactly what I pitched Dixie Carter four years

805
00:34:39,200 --> 00:34:43,480
Speaker 2: ago and couldn't get any traction. I for people who

806
00:34:43,480 --> 00:34:46,399
Speaker 2: remember the show, TNA had a show called Explosion, which

807
00:34:46,440 --> 00:34:49,600
Speaker 2: was like they're extra shows. It was mostly run internationally,

808
00:34:49,680 --> 00:34:51,440
Speaker 2: but it was available in the US. I said, just

809
00:34:51,480 --> 00:34:53,960
Speaker 2: give me, just give me explosion. Not only will I

810
00:34:54,000 --> 00:34:56,040
Speaker 2: run a cheaper show, it'll be more fun and we'll

811
00:34:56,040 --> 00:35:00,319
Speaker 2: get more activity online. Couldn't get any traction. And I've

812
00:35:00,320 --> 00:35:02,320
Speaker 2: pitched the show to plenty of people in LA and

813
00:35:02,480 --> 00:35:04,120
Speaker 2: they always always look at me in their eyes. Weekly

814
00:35:04,120 --> 00:35:07,600
Speaker 2: it's over like why why would anybody want to watch that? Now?

815
00:35:07,680 --> 00:35:09,799
Speaker 2: And and and to put in yea, but to put

816
00:35:09,840 --> 00:35:12,120
Speaker 2: this in perspective like so, so imagine we're running a

817
00:35:12,160 --> 00:35:15,600
Speaker 2: show that I financed. We you know, the only partners

818
00:35:15,640 --> 00:35:17,279
Speaker 2: we have are there, the talent in the ring and

819
00:35:17,320 --> 00:35:19,880
Speaker 2: the people we're working with commercially behind the scenes, and

820
00:35:19,880 --> 00:35:23,120
Speaker 2: beyond that, it's all it's all ours. And and we're

821
00:35:23,120 --> 00:35:25,800
Speaker 2: in the We're in the weekly competition now of people

822
00:35:25,800 --> 00:35:28,120
Speaker 2: talking about what happened in the week in wrestling. And

823
00:35:28,160 --> 00:35:31,160
Speaker 2: that's without a billion dollars behind us. So imagine when

824
00:35:31,200 --> 00:35:33,520
Speaker 2: we get a little bit more steam behind us, we

825
00:35:33,600 --> 00:35:35,080
Speaker 2: grow a little bit more of an audience, and we

826
00:35:35,160 --> 00:35:37,120
Speaker 2: and we find whether I have to invest more money

827
00:35:37,200 --> 00:35:38,759
Speaker 2: or we have to find additional funding, and we start

828
00:35:38,760 --> 00:35:40,719
Speaker 2: turning up the volume on what we're doing. Product was

829
00:35:41,040 --> 00:35:43,719
Speaker 2: and and by the way, you know, we try to

830
00:35:43,719 --> 00:35:46,120
Speaker 2: tell people this, the NWA Power Show is just one, one,

831
00:35:46,400 --> 00:35:47,920
Speaker 2: one thing we want to do. We've got lots of

832
00:35:47,960 --> 00:35:50,319
Speaker 2: other ideas, but we thought this was a great way

833
00:35:50,360 --> 00:35:52,160
Speaker 2: to just say kind of here's how here's who we are,

834
00:35:52,200 --> 00:35:53,760
Speaker 2: and here's why we're a little bit different. Yeah.

835
00:35:53,800 --> 00:35:56,320
Speaker 5: I mean, it's going to be scary from one aspect

836
00:35:56,400 --> 00:35:58,759
Speaker 5: that you're funding it, but it's also got to be

837
00:35:59,520 --> 00:36:02,759
Speaker 5: very really leaving coming from them pag Debacle that just

838
00:36:02,800 --> 00:36:05,000
Speaker 5: like you run, you're doing this is your show.

839
00:36:05,160 --> 00:36:09,680
Speaker 2: I can't. I'll give you the perfect example. I was

840
00:36:09,719 --> 00:36:14,719
Speaker 2: intimately involved in the Deletion series with the Party's We

841
00:36:14,719 --> 00:36:16,480
Speaker 2: were a team working now so I'm not trying to

842
00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:18,359
Speaker 2: take more credit than new but I was very very

843
00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:21,759
Speaker 2: involved in that, particularly how it was shot and where

844
00:36:21,760 --> 00:36:25,000
Speaker 2: that was going. And you know, we'd all sit around

845
00:36:25,000 --> 00:36:26,800
Speaker 2: and we'd rift, so it really was a team effort,

846
00:36:26,840 --> 00:36:30,520
Speaker 2: and you know that thing caught fire. I think, yeah,

847
00:36:30,520 --> 00:36:33,719
Speaker 2: I think I think the week before the Deletion thing

848
00:36:33,800 --> 00:36:36,160
Speaker 2: aired on TEENA, I think we did probably about three

849
00:36:36,239 --> 00:36:39,000
Speaker 2: hundred three twenty five, three fifty and we do over

850
00:36:39,040 --> 00:36:43,040
Speaker 2: one hundred thousand more people that week. Okay, so imagine

851
00:36:43,040 --> 00:36:45,920
Speaker 2: the phone call the day after the rating comes in.

852
00:36:46,080 --> 00:36:49,799
Speaker 2: The ratings have now gone up thirty five in one

853
00:36:49,840 --> 00:36:53,480
Speaker 2: week for a company that's basically considered dead on arrival.

854
00:36:54,120 --> 00:36:56,160
Speaker 2: So we actually have some energy. We have the hottest

855
00:36:56,200 --> 00:36:57,960
Speaker 2: storyline in wrestling. You know what the response of the

856
00:36:58,000 --> 00:36:59,239
Speaker 2: company was to bury it.

857
00:37:00,719 --> 00:37:03,080
Speaker 3: And that's what I never understood about, you know, certain

858
00:37:03,120 --> 00:37:05,279
Speaker 3: things that that company did was like, you had a

859
00:37:05,800 --> 00:37:07,000
Speaker 3: the perfect thing.

860
00:37:07,360 --> 00:37:09,000
Speaker 2: And then it's just kind of like and I even

861
00:37:09,080 --> 00:37:09,279
Speaker 2: like it.

862
00:37:09,280 --> 00:37:11,319
Speaker 5: It's kind of ironic because you know, they originally were

863
00:37:11,320 --> 00:37:13,919
Speaker 5: aligned with n w A, you know, and then then.

864
00:37:13,880 --> 00:37:16,480
Speaker 2: You know that's that's one back part of the n

865
00:37:16,600 --> 00:37:18,520
Speaker 2: w story is I was aware that the nw was

866
00:37:18,560 --> 00:37:21,360
Speaker 2: possibly for sale because when I ran TENA briefly, I

867
00:37:21,400 --> 00:37:23,759
Speaker 2: actually looked into bringing the n w A back to

868
00:37:23,840 --> 00:37:26,600
Speaker 2: TNA because my in my idea, maybe the way to

869
00:37:26,640 --> 00:37:28,480
Speaker 2: rebrand TENA was to go back to just being n

870
00:37:28,600 --> 00:37:31,359
Speaker 2: w A. Right basically, we even had a we even

871
00:37:31,400 --> 00:37:33,960
Speaker 2: had a we even had an angle, and we had

872
00:37:34,000 --> 00:37:37,040
Speaker 2: talked about it with Matt Hardy where he would he

873
00:37:37,160 --> 00:37:39,560
Speaker 2: at the end of that particular year, I can't remember

874
00:37:39,560 --> 00:37:42,000
Speaker 2: what year it was four years ago. Whatever. He was

875
00:37:42,040 --> 00:37:44,680
Speaker 2: gonna he was gonna put the titles in the Lake

876
00:37:44,719 --> 00:37:47,680
Speaker 2: of fire. Oh yeah, so he was gonna he was

877
00:37:47,719 --> 00:37:50,440
Speaker 2: gonna kill he was gonna delete TNA. Yeah, and then

878
00:37:50,480 --> 00:37:51,560
Speaker 2: we would rebrand the company.

879
00:37:51,600 --> 00:37:55,320
Speaker 3: That would have been amazing just thinking about that, because

880
00:37:55,840 --> 00:37:57,360
Speaker 3: you know, going back to it, it used to be

881
00:37:57,480 --> 00:37:58,840
Speaker 3: n W A T and A because it was that

882
00:37:58,960 --> 00:38:01,200
Speaker 3: menace blat TOYM the first time we had Ken Shamrock

883
00:38:01,239 --> 00:38:03,440
Speaker 3: on a few weeks ago talking about how he was

884
00:38:03,480 --> 00:38:05,440
Speaker 3: the first one to win the title, and then of

885
00:38:05,480 --> 00:38:07,600
Speaker 3: course it rebranded and all that other stuff, which is

886
00:38:08,440 --> 00:38:13,640
Speaker 3: if that would have happened with the deletion. Yes, man,

887
00:38:13,719 --> 00:38:14,319
Speaker 3: I don't mean, I.

888
00:38:14,239 --> 00:38:16,319
Speaker 5: Think it worked out best for everyone, but it's got

889
00:38:16,360 --> 00:38:17,080
Speaker 5: to be frustrating.

890
00:38:17,440 --> 00:38:21,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's interesting. I mean, you know, impact has has

891
00:38:21,280 --> 00:38:25,719
Speaker 2: uh has you know, provided the stability that obviously that

892
00:38:25,719 --> 00:38:29,479
Speaker 2: that particular company needed and and and uh so yeah,

893
00:38:29,520 --> 00:38:32,520
Speaker 2: I mean obviously it's it's it's not the company I

894
00:38:32,640 --> 00:38:34,839
Speaker 2: was involved with, So I don't think there's anybody there

895
00:38:34,840 --> 00:38:38,080
Speaker 2: that I even remotely worked with. But it is cool

896
00:38:38,080 --> 00:38:40,480
Speaker 2: that the company continued. It is cool that I've been

897
00:38:40,520 --> 00:38:42,600
Speaker 2: able to resurrect the nw A. It's cool that out

898
00:38:42,600 --> 00:38:46,719
Speaker 2: of nowhere now we have aw and so yeah, that's

899
00:38:46,760 --> 00:38:48,920
Speaker 2: it's if it's if you go back in time machine

900
00:38:48,920 --> 00:38:50,440
Speaker 2: and say to somebody like you three four years ago,

901
00:38:50,480 --> 00:38:52,400
Speaker 2: this will be the landscape four years ago you made like, well,

902
00:38:52,400 --> 00:38:54,439
Speaker 2: that's kind of interesting because nobody kind of could see

903
00:38:54,440 --> 00:38:57,160
Speaker 2: it coming either, could I. So, uh, I think it's

904
00:38:57,200 --> 00:39:00,799
Speaker 2: cool that that the Internet is proved. I this new

905
00:39:00,840 --> 00:39:03,880
Speaker 2: interconnectivity that allows things to happen at a more rapid

906
00:39:03,920 --> 00:39:05,680
Speaker 2: pace where before it was very very slow.

907
00:39:05,800 --> 00:39:08,840
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, yeah, it seems to happen overnight, and a

908
00:39:08,840 --> 00:39:10,040
Speaker 5: lot of times it is overnight.

909
00:39:10,120 --> 00:39:11,800
Speaker 2: Well, I think you're all going to see quick rises

910
00:39:11,800 --> 00:39:14,120
Speaker 2: and falls, you know, And I think that's going to

911
00:39:14,160 --> 00:39:14,720
Speaker 2: be the challenge.

912
00:39:14,760 --> 00:39:14,920
Speaker 3: You know.

913
00:39:14,960 --> 00:39:17,279
Speaker 2: It's like, yeah, NWA is working quite well now, but

914
00:39:17,320 --> 00:39:18,960
Speaker 2: we don't assume it's going to be working twelve months

915
00:39:19,000 --> 00:39:21,239
Speaker 2: from now, which is why we try to tell people like,

916
00:39:21,560 --> 00:39:23,279
Speaker 2: if you think this is the show is the only

917
00:39:23,280 --> 00:39:25,400
Speaker 2: thing we're going to do, you're sadly mistaken. It's like

918
00:39:25,400 --> 00:39:27,080
Speaker 2: saying I'm only going to play a rock and roll song.

919
00:39:27,120 --> 00:39:29,000
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm a varied artist and i'd like to

920
00:39:29,000 --> 00:39:30,800
Speaker 2: think that is going to be a varied product.

921
00:39:32,000 --> 00:39:36,520
Speaker 5: Well, going back to Power, obviously social media there's been

922
00:39:36,560 --> 00:39:40,880
Speaker 5: glowing remarks from Edge Corey Graves, the biggest actor in Hollywood,

923
00:39:40,920 --> 00:39:45,400
Speaker 5: the Rock. I mean, what has the overwhelmingly positive reviews

924
00:39:45,440 --> 00:39:46,320
Speaker 5: for Power meant?

925
00:39:47,640 --> 00:39:49,320
Speaker 2: Just just that we were going in the right direction,

926
00:39:49,760 --> 00:39:53,480
Speaker 2: you know, you know, certainly when you when you get

927
00:39:54,080 --> 00:39:57,120
Speaker 2: some of the status of The Rock or Edge putting

928
00:39:57,120 --> 00:40:00,200
Speaker 2: over your product, it means a lot because it whither

929
00:40:00,280 --> 00:40:02,600
Speaker 2: anybody sees it or not. That's the stuff that the

930
00:40:02,640 --> 00:40:05,799
Speaker 2: locker room takes confidence in. Dave Legant and I can

931
00:40:05,840 --> 00:40:07,799
Speaker 2: sit there in our ivory tower and say, oh, this

932
00:40:07,920 --> 00:40:09,440
Speaker 2: is working, and we can you know, we have the

933
00:40:09,480 --> 00:40:11,920
Speaker 2: whole We have all the numbers and all the opportunity

934
00:40:11,960 --> 00:40:13,600
Speaker 2: in front of us. But if you're a talent and

935
00:40:13,680 --> 00:40:16,439
Speaker 2: you're you're in the middle of the card, you're trying

936
00:40:16,440 --> 00:40:17,960
Speaker 2: to work your way up, You're trying to figure out

937
00:40:17,960 --> 00:40:20,240
Speaker 2: where you're going. You're not really sure what the NWA

938
00:40:20,320 --> 00:40:23,360
Speaker 2: is doing. It's not traditional television, it's not on a network.

939
00:40:23,800 --> 00:40:26,640
Speaker 2: You see your buddy over an aw you know he's

940
00:40:26,680 --> 00:40:29,520
Speaker 2: facing so and so in a four star meltzer match.

941
00:40:30,320 --> 00:40:32,840
Speaker 2: That's the type of thing that then trickles back in

942
00:40:32,880 --> 00:40:35,600
Speaker 2: the locker room and say, Okay, there is something happening here.

943
00:40:35,600 --> 00:40:38,760
Speaker 2: And so it brings a pride and a different effort

944
00:40:38,760 --> 00:40:41,840
Speaker 2: in the ring. And so far we've been blessed in

945
00:40:41,880 --> 00:40:44,319
Speaker 2: that everybody we're working at a talent level is going

946
00:40:44,400 --> 00:40:46,880
Speaker 2: and putting everything I got out there. So very very

947
00:40:46,920 --> 00:40:49,239
Speaker 2: happy with that. It'd be really interesting too, because we're

948
00:40:49,239 --> 00:40:51,320
Speaker 2: going to run our first pay per view in December

949
00:40:51,320 --> 00:40:55,040
Speaker 2: fourteenth in the NW Power model. We're going to run

950
00:40:55,080 --> 00:40:57,960
Speaker 2: it from the studio, so it'll have a different feeling

951
00:40:57,960 --> 00:40:59,680
Speaker 2: and it'll be more traditional pay per view. There will

952
00:40:59,680 --> 00:41:03,400
Speaker 2: be ring entrances and stuff like that in the studio. Really,

953
00:41:03,480 --> 00:41:05,600
Speaker 2: oh yeah, that's gonna be. Yeah, we're gonna bring We're

954
00:41:05,600 --> 00:41:09,000
Speaker 2: gonna bring the talents down the aisle so that so

955
00:41:09,040 --> 00:41:11,760
Speaker 2: the talents will come down individual side, so they actually

956
00:41:11,760 --> 00:41:13,000
Speaker 2: walk through the fans to the ring.

957
00:41:13,560 --> 00:41:17,920
Speaker 5: That'll be I was a to get tickets and they

958
00:41:17,960 --> 00:41:19,440
Speaker 5: were going almost.

959
00:41:19,440 --> 00:41:22,759
Speaker 2: Well, you know, you know me, Now there's our inn

960
00:41:22,840 --> 00:41:25,040
Speaker 2: right there. Yeah. We're basically I think we're only a

961
00:41:25,040 --> 00:41:29,239
Speaker 2: few tickets literally under under ten from selling the whole

962
00:41:29,239 --> 00:41:32,359
Speaker 2: thing out. So we're very excited fans in the lant

963
00:41:32,400 --> 00:41:35,960
Speaker 2: have been fantastic. The audience there was was great, got

964
00:41:35,960 --> 00:41:38,000
Speaker 2: some fun stuff coming up with the man over here

965
00:41:38,000 --> 00:41:39,839
Speaker 2: at shooting shooting me in the room, do it?

966
00:41:39,880 --> 00:41:41,480
Speaker 4: Do you have a name for the pay per v yet?

967
00:41:41,760 --> 00:41:42,920
Speaker 2: Into the fire?

968
00:41:43,120 --> 00:41:43,279
Speaker 3: Yeah?

969
00:41:43,320 --> 00:41:44,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, quits with the Dawkins song.

970
00:41:44,800 --> 00:41:45,160
Speaker 4: That song.

971
00:41:45,200 --> 00:41:48,040
Speaker 5: I haven't heard that song in thirty years, and every

972
00:41:48,080 --> 00:41:49,560
Speaker 5: time it comes I'm like, yes.

973
00:41:50,400 --> 00:41:51,759
Speaker 3: I do kind of have a question though about the

974
00:41:51,760 --> 00:41:54,160
Speaker 3: theme song because Dawcin does it. Was there any pressure

975
00:41:54,239 --> 00:41:56,560
Speaker 3: for them to be, like, hey, can you do the

976
00:41:56,560 --> 00:41:59,239
Speaker 3: theme song? Or could the Pumpkins do a theme song

977
00:41:59,280 --> 00:42:01,239
Speaker 3: for n w A. Was there any pressure for that

978
00:42:01,400 --> 00:42:03,880
Speaker 3: from like any like the fan base of the NWA

979
00:42:04,280 --> 00:42:05,359
Speaker 3: or maybe.

980
00:42:05,320 --> 00:42:08,759
Speaker 2: Generally speaking, I found wrestling fans really don't It's it's

981
00:42:08,800 --> 00:42:10,319
Speaker 2: not to say they don't care about me, but they're

982
00:42:10,320 --> 00:42:12,879
Speaker 2: wrestling fans. They're there to see the stars in the ring.

983
00:42:13,440 --> 00:42:15,840
Speaker 2: And you know, Dixie Carter would try to push me

984
00:42:15,880 --> 00:42:17,319
Speaker 2: out there all the time because she thought it would

985
00:42:17,360 --> 00:42:19,359
Speaker 2: get them some sort of mainstream press. And the fact

986
00:42:19,360 --> 00:42:21,440
Speaker 2: of the matter is the most wrestling fans, they want

987
00:42:21,480 --> 00:42:24,560
Speaker 2: to see wrestling. They don't mind when a celebrity shows

988
00:42:24,640 --> 00:42:26,080
Speaker 2: up and does something fun. But at the end of

989
00:42:26,080 --> 00:42:27,880
Speaker 2: the day they really you know, it's really about the stars.

990
00:42:28,360 --> 00:42:31,400
Speaker 2: So no, no, I mean, I certainly that was an option.

991
00:42:32,960 --> 00:42:34,400
Speaker 2: You know, I have rights to my own music and

992
00:42:34,440 --> 00:42:36,279
Speaker 2: all that type of stuff. I want to do something

993
00:42:36,320 --> 00:42:39,880
Speaker 2: that was sort of unexpected and quick funny story when

994
00:42:40,200 --> 00:42:42,680
Speaker 2: when I because I had to secure the rights as

995
00:42:42,680 --> 00:42:44,360
Speaker 2: a long story, so I secured the rights to the

996
00:42:44,400 --> 00:42:48,000
Speaker 2: song and I sent the song to Dave Legana and

997
00:42:48,080 --> 00:42:51,520
Speaker 2: Nick All. This happened to be with David that day,

998
00:42:51,560 --> 00:42:53,080
Speaker 2: and so they listened to the song and they sat

999
00:42:53,080 --> 00:42:54,839
Speaker 2: there and looked at each other and said, we don't

1000
00:42:54,880 --> 00:42:57,919
Speaker 2: know if this is going to work. And so after

1001
00:42:57,960 --> 00:43:01,800
Speaker 2: it worked, then they admitted to me that they had reservations.

1002
00:43:01,880 --> 00:43:04,200
Speaker 2: And I said, look, can you just leave the music

1003
00:43:04,239 --> 00:43:07,160
Speaker 2: stuff to me? Like the wrestling stuff. It's like, I think,

1004
00:43:07,160 --> 00:43:09,520
Speaker 2: I know, you know what I mean. I always I'm

1005
00:43:09,560 --> 00:43:12,080
Speaker 2: always going to defer to a talent, like about what

1006
00:43:12,120 --> 00:43:14,640
Speaker 2: should happen in the ring. You know, you know, these

1007
00:43:14,680 --> 00:43:16,880
Speaker 2: these men are and women are geniuses of what they

1008
00:43:16,920 --> 00:43:18,640
Speaker 2: do in the in the between those ropes. That's not

1009
00:43:18,719 --> 00:43:21,280
Speaker 2: my area of purview. But when it comes to music,

1010
00:43:21,320 --> 00:43:22,960
Speaker 2: can you kind of just trust me on the a

1011
00:43:23,000 --> 00:43:25,480
Speaker 2: little bit of experience. I got a little bit of experience.

1012
00:43:25,120 --> 00:43:27,880
Speaker 3: There, you know, and it's it's I do love the

1013
00:43:27,920 --> 00:43:30,600
Speaker 3: fact that the docin song is perfect just for that

1014
00:43:30,680 --> 00:43:33,000
Speaker 3: theme song of n w A Power and uh, I

1015
00:43:33,040 --> 00:43:35,160
Speaker 3: know you got some You got to get to the

1016
00:43:35,200 --> 00:43:37,279
Speaker 3: Country Music Hall of Fame here shortly to a show.

1017
00:43:37,360 --> 00:43:38,920
Speaker 3: So where can people keep up with n w A

1018
00:43:39,360 --> 00:43:41,160
Speaker 3: online as well as all things billy?

1019
00:43:41,680 --> 00:43:44,400
Speaker 2: We have n n w A Instagram and w A Facebook.

1020
00:43:45,040 --> 00:43:47,200
Speaker 2: Certainly the show is on every week on on our

1021
00:43:47,320 --> 00:43:50,360
Speaker 2: n w A YouTube. Uh, certainly subscribe. I love the

1022
00:43:50,400 --> 00:43:53,319
Speaker 2: subscription feature on on you on YouTube because you just

1023
00:43:53,320 --> 00:43:55,160
Speaker 2: get prompted. So if you forget a show is on,

1024
00:43:55,760 --> 00:43:57,399
Speaker 2: or if you just want to be reminded that it's

1025
00:43:57,440 --> 00:43:59,600
Speaker 2: going to be on, even if you can watch it later,

1026
00:43:59,840 --> 00:44:01,800
Speaker 2: we find, you know, we finally a certain number of

1027
00:44:01,800 --> 00:44:04,560
Speaker 2: people watch live, but then the numbers roll all through

1028
00:44:04,600 --> 00:44:06,799
Speaker 2: the night as people, you know, they get home from

1029
00:44:06,840 --> 00:44:09,560
Speaker 2: work or they watch it after dinner. We're totally cool

1030
00:44:09,600 --> 00:44:12,040
Speaker 2: with that. We certainly love the live experience, but the

1031
00:44:12,040 --> 00:44:13,520
Speaker 2: fact of the matter is that people can watch it when

1032
00:44:13,520 --> 00:44:15,320
Speaker 2: they want. So that's where the prompt and the subscription

1033
00:44:15,360 --> 00:44:20,040
Speaker 2: button really helps. I mostly follow into NWA socials on Instagram.

1034
00:44:20,120 --> 00:44:22,520
Speaker 2: I'm on Instagram so people can follow me as well.

1035
00:44:22,560 --> 00:44:24,760
Speaker 2: And I cause I post a certain amount of NWA

1036
00:44:24,840 --> 00:44:28,000
Speaker 2: news on there, and and yeah, we just it's very casual.

1037
00:44:28,040 --> 00:44:29,360
Speaker 2: That's the best way I can say it. You know,

1038
00:44:29,400 --> 00:44:30,960
Speaker 2: we're trying to live in the modern world of how

1039
00:44:30,960 --> 00:44:35,400
Speaker 2: people communicate. You know, there's no there's no surprise in

1040
00:44:35,440 --> 00:44:39,319
Speaker 2: twenty nineteen that you know, wrestling has its scripted and

1041
00:44:39,400 --> 00:44:41,759
Speaker 2: unscripted things. What's great about the NWA is what we

1042
00:44:41,840 --> 00:44:44,920
Speaker 2: try to do is bring back sort of the chaos

1043
00:44:44,920 --> 00:44:48,720
Speaker 2: factor into wrestling. Somebody asked me recently, like how scripted

1044
00:44:48,760 --> 00:44:51,920
Speaker 2: are the promos? For example, they aren't like literally, I'll

1045
00:44:51,960 --> 00:44:54,000
Speaker 2: talk to a talent before the curtain go through the curtain,

1046
00:44:54,000 --> 00:44:55,279
Speaker 2: I'll say I need you to I need you to

1047
00:44:55,320 --> 00:44:56,919
Speaker 2: hit this point. I need you to hit this point,

1048
00:44:57,000 --> 00:44:58,839
Speaker 2: and don't forget when you're going out the door, make

1049
00:44:58,880 --> 00:45:00,560
Speaker 2: sure you write people to this. The thing's going to

1050
00:45:00,600 --> 00:45:02,759
Speaker 2: happen later everything else happens to yours and they walk

1051
00:45:02,800 --> 00:45:04,160
Speaker 2: through and they just say what they want to say.

1052
00:45:04,360 --> 00:45:07,399
Speaker 2: So we brought back this kind of visceral anything can

1053
00:45:07,440 --> 00:45:09,880
Speaker 2: happen feel and I think that's what really makes a

1054
00:45:09,920 --> 00:45:12,879
Speaker 2: stand out. So yeah, we're very excited about just sort

1055
00:45:12,880 --> 00:45:15,760
Speaker 2: of like letting letting it just kind of happen. For example,

1056
00:45:16,120 --> 00:45:22,799
Speaker 2: thunder Rosa one of our news signings. She's unbelievable, incredibly

1057
00:45:22,880 --> 00:45:29,080
Speaker 2: talented woman. She just fought for about Patron's come out

1058
00:45:29,120 --> 00:45:33,440
Speaker 2: to America's MMA promotion last night. Unfortunately she lost, but

1059
00:45:33,760 --> 00:45:37,160
Speaker 2: you know, we went down and covered that. We're not

1060
00:45:37,160 --> 00:45:39,200
Speaker 2: trying to live in this other world where we pretend that,

1061
00:45:39,680 --> 00:45:42,000
Speaker 2: you know, she doesn't have another life. You know, I

1062
00:45:42,080 --> 00:45:45,280
Speaker 2: mean saying we're willing to let what the world's overlap.

1063
00:45:45,520 --> 00:45:49,520
Speaker 2: Because look, if you follow if you follow a Camillo

1064
00:45:49,640 --> 00:45:52,400
Speaker 2: on social media, you know she's talking about being at

1065
00:45:52,400 --> 00:45:55,000
Speaker 2: the store. You know she's not in character. And I

1066
00:45:55,000 --> 00:45:57,720
Speaker 2: don't think anybody really wants that anymore. I think everybody's

1067
00:45:57,760 --> 00:45:59,719
Speaker 2: kind of cool with let's call it the case play

1068
00:45:59,719 --> 00:46:02,000
Speaker 2: ass aspect of I can do this, and I can

1069
00:46:02,040 --> 00:46:04,640
Speaker 2: be this, and then I can also be a a friend,

1070
00:46:04,719 --> 00:46:08,920
Speaker 2: a mother, you know, a brother, sister, a husband. You know,

1071
00:46:09,000 --> 00:46:11,200
Speaker 2: when I sorry to ramble on, but when I was younger,

1072
00:46:11,560 --> 00:46:14,920
Speaker 2: uh I remember fans kind of give me like weird

1073
00:46:14,960 --> 00:46:17,239
Speaker 2: guff because they wanted me to be this guy in

1074
00:46:17,280 --> 00:46:20,080
Speaker 2: their mind. Yeah, Like, oh, I saw you at the

1075
00:46:20,080 --> 00:46:22,440
Speaker 2: baseball game. How disappointing, Like, what do you mean I.

1076
00:46:22,520 --> 00:46:23,640
Speaker 4: The depressed alternative?

1077
00:46:23,800 --> 00:46:24,000
Speaker 1: Yeah?

1078
00:46:24,080 --> 00:46:26,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think we live in a different world now

1079
00:46:26,040 --> 00:46:29,239
Speaker 2: where we can all kind of appreciate the skill of

1080
00:46:29,280 --> 00:46:32,040
Speaker 2: somebody who can step into character, take you on a journey,

1081
00:46:32,080 --> 00:46:34,120
Speaker 2: and then when the movie's over, you know, you can

1082
00:46:34,160 --> 00:46:35,640
Speaker 2: go out and have a beer with them or something

1083
00:46:35,680 --> 00:46:38,000
Speaker 2: and they're and they're a great person. And so we're

1084
00:46:38,120 --> 00:46:40,880
Speaker 2: very proud of our roster for being you know, not

1085
00:46:40,920 --> 00:46:44,000
Speaker 2: only great people, great talents, but like people who live

1086
00:46:44,000 --> 00:46:45,960
Speaker 2: in the real world. And we try to do that.

1087
00:46:46,120 --> 00:46:47,960
Speaker 2: So that's what I like about our social media. It's

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Speaker 2: like we kind of live in the real world with everybody.

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Speaker 2: We're not We're not working you twenty four hours a day,

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Speaker 2: right man.

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Speaker 3: It's it Literally, it is an honor to have you

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Speaker 3: in the studio. Thank you so much for hanging out

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Speaker 3: with us and see you.

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Speaker 2: Talk wrestling on this. Hey, if you won't do a

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Speaker 2: part too now you do.

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Speaker 4: Not even have a show tonight, we would still be going.

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Speaker 2: Well when I when we come back and run in

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Speaker 2: to w Way to Live. You guys definitely have to

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Speaker 2: be involved, and there it is.

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Speaker 4: We hope you enjoyed this week's episode of Battleground. Make

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Speaker 4: sure you give it five stars and leave a nice review.

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Speaker 3: If you want to stay up to date, follow them

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