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Speaker 1: It's been five years since the madness of COVID, and

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Speaker 1: we still don't have the answers we deserve as the

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Speaker 1: American public.

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Speaker 2: This week on Capitol Hill, Robert F.

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Speaker 1: Kennedy Junior was dropping bombs in front of Congress in

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Speaker 1: the Senate. Well, guess what we welcome world renowned scientists,

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Speaker 1: inventor of the mRNA technology, doctor Robert Malone, to talk

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Speaker 1: all things about vaccines, COVID, and the government cover up.

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Speaker 2: Join me on the David Rutherford Show. Welcome to the show, everybody.

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Speaker 1: I'm just so honored and privileged to have one of

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Speaker 1: my heroes, doctor Robert Malone on with me this morning.

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Speaker 2: Doctor Malone, again, thank you for coming on.

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Speaker 1: What I want to start out with is this week

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Speaker 1: Robert Kennedy Junior was on the Hill and it seemed

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Speaker 1: to really ruffle a bunch of feathers because in conjunction

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Speaker 1: with his testimony, he also made some pretty powerful changes

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Speaker 1: of other cuts at taking place. And I noticed that

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Speaker 1: you kept your fan base paying attention to this. Why

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Speaker 1: do you think this week was such an important week

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Speaker 1: from everything we've gone through over the last five years.

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Speaker 3: No last five years, so it's I think become abundantly

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Speaker 3: clear to those of us that have their eyes open

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Speaker 3: of spread into everything has corrupted American health and American healthcare.

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Speaker 3: And that extends out into the insurance agencies, It extends

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Speaker 3: made a case repeatedly that to a significant extent, American

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Speaker 3: elections all the way down to Dogcatcher practically are capitalized

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Speaker 3: by pharmaceutical industry money. We also can see now over

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Speaker 3: the last five years, through the weaponized propaganda, not to

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Speaker 3: mention censorship and the access journalism which is another word

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Speaker 3: including the large fraction of what we call corporate media

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Speaker 3: their revenue is coming from the pharmaceutical industry. And it's

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Speaker 3: not just coming in the form of advertising that is

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Speaker 3: the likes of The Washington Post, New York Times, CNN,

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Speaker 3: that's normal human behavior. You wouldn't expect anything less. But

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Speaker 3: compromised in a very significant way. Industry capture has occurred,

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Speaker 3: the new lobbying organization that has been set up to

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Speaker 3: I think it's an alliance of mRNA manufacturers. YEA is

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Speaker 3: So that and that. What's interesting in the current discussion

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Speaker 3: on Bobby Kennedy metaphorically speaking. And in the face of

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Speaker 3: for instance, the CDC director is still pending, as a

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Speaker 2: Yeah, right around there, yep.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And and these these reduction and force that has

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Speaker 3: So but there, you know, the sky is falling and

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Speaker 3: made quite nicely that in the face of this ongoing

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Speaker 1: And destruction of the future of our lives, life as

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Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, I mean, uh, pick your term uh and

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Speaker 3: You know, what I'm hearing is just a lot of

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Speaker 3: these positions of recommending further inoculations and children and in pregnancy,

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Speaker 3: which you know, of course, the industry UH strongly denies

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Speaker 3: I'm not ready to accept that everything that I thought

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Speaker 3: But I guess it's got underlying truth. There's still widespread denihilism.

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Speaker 1: I gotta tell you, Doc, when when you put out

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Speaker 1: the meme post that that's my favorite aspect, a guy

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Speaker 1: that has your background, all the patents, all the papers

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Speaker 2: Put out a meme, it crushes me.

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Speaker 1: I swear, I laugh for like five minutes straight, and

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Speaker 3: Thank you for that to be so we have to

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Speaker 3: which also fragments societies and has uh you know, it

435
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Speaker 3: was historically kind of the roots of of what happened

436
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Speaker 3: in the Weimar Republic transition to national socialism uh orgo

437
00:35:49,600 --> 00:35:56,879
Speaker 3: Nazis uh, and and that that hyperinflation has always historically

438
00:35:57,920 --> 00:36:02,520
Speaker 3: been behind a lot of these transition moments where the

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Speaker 3: population basically loses its mind and and undergoes one of

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Speaker 3: these events. And by the way, the term mass formation

441
00:36:13,680 --> 00:36:19,520
Speaker 3: that seems a little bit odd uh to uh English

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00:36:19,560 --> 00:36:24,719
Speaker 3: speaking ears mass formation, It doesn't doesn't fit with our

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00:36:25,680 --> 00:36:28,759
Speaker 3: use of the language. And the reason for that is

444
00:36:28,800 --> 00:36:32,000
Speaker 3: because it's translated from the Dutch, and it's kind of

445
00:36:32,280 --> 00:36:35,880
Speaker 3: a little bit of a mistranslation because that's where he writes,

446
00:36:36,400 --> 00:36:39,879
Speaker 3: that's his native language, and what he's really talking about

447
00:36:39,960 --> 00:36:42,680
Speaker 3: is the madness of crowds, which we all understand. I mean,

448
00:36:42,880 --> 00:36:49,400
Speaker 3: that's that's the you know, pitchforks and fire portrayed in

449
00:36:49,400 --> 00:36:50,399
Speaker 3: in Frankenstein.

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Speaker 1: Or on a positive psychology perspective, it's concerts, right, the

451
00:36:54,640 --> 00:36:56,760
Speaker 1: the euphoria that an entire.

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Speaker 2: Group of people can feel listening to.

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Speaker 3: Music, good, good, good example. So these crowd uh phenomena

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00:37:04,640 --> 00:37:08,560
Speaker 3: uh that are are well and well known, uh, not

455
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Speaker 3: completely well understood psychologically in all the pushback that, well,

456
00:37:12,760 --> 00:37:17,680
Speaker 3: the DSM doesn't describe mass information psychosis, therefore it's just

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Speaker 3: a conspiracy theory. Well, the Diagnostic Statistics Manual of the

458
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Speaker 3: American Psychiatric Association of it is e p A, focuses

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Speaker 3: on individuals. It doesn't really speak to crowd based phenomena.

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Speaker 3: So that's a non secular So but under that, you're you're,

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Speaker 3: you're touching on this long standing observation, uh that For instance,

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Speaker 3: there's a there's an interview in Black and White from

463
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Speaker 3: Aldus Huxley in the early sixties in which he speaks

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Speaker 3: basically in defense of propaganda and in the context of

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Speaker 3: the British government, basically making the case that without propaganda,

466
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Speaker 3: governments can't operate, that they have to use these tools

467
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Speaker 3: in order to manage the population, you know, which libertarians,

468
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Speaker 3: you know, drives them up.

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Speaker 1: Dave Smith and Scott Horton go through the roof with that,

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Speaker 1: don't they.

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Speaker 3: But that's the logic, right, And so he despite a

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Speaker 3: brave New world in his mentorship of George Orwell, famous

473
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Speaker 3: for nineteen eighty or an Animal Farm, he was a

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Speaker 3: defender in many ways, and his brother was seminole in

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Speaker 3: the development of the UN Charter and a lot of

476
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Speaker 3: this globalist logic that we are confronted with all the time.

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Speaker 3: But he makes the case in that interview that about

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Speaker 3: twenty percent of a population are highly suggestible will basically

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Speaker 3: follow authority figures that in others make the connection that

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Speaker 3: the same fraction of the population has the characteristic that

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Speaker 3: they're readily hypnotized, so they're highly suggested, and about twenty

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Speaker 3: percent of the population are highly not suggestible people. And

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Speaker 3: why that is is still a mystery, you know, Is

484
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Speaker 3: it childhood experiences? Is genetics? Is all the above? Who knows?

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Speaker 3: But there are those and perhaps you and I are

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Speaker 3: in that group of the centers that aren't so easily.

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Speaker 1: I do have to admit, though, Doc, when I went

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Speaker 1: through training, I was all in.

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Speaker 3: Man.

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Speaker 1: I drank the kool aid as much as you could

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Speaker 1: drink the kool aid.

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Speaker 3: And that's right, that's good to own that. So yeah,

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Speaker 3: and by the way, that's a fundamental aspect of medical training.

494
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Speaker 3: People are all perplexed by why the doc bucks we're

495
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Speaker 3: all in harmony supporting the narrative. Well, you can't get

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Speaker 3: through medical school unless you become very adept at assimilating

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Speaker 3: and regurgitating whatever authority figures tell you. That is the

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Speaker 3: essence of medical training these days.

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Speaker 1: That's why I love Casey Means and what she's doing

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Speaker 1: out there, you know, is speaking you know, the most

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Speaker 1: profound truth to that coming out of Harvard and the

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Speaker 1: level with which she was operating. I mean, that's why

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Speaker 1: it's so beautiful that now she does get into this

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Speaker 1: role that you had said, hopefully gets into this role

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Speaker 1: and takes it runs with it.

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Speaker 2: You know that you had.

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Speaker 1: Said before was this muted role, but now like it

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Speaker 1: can become. It's really like the spokesperson of the United States,

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Speaker 1: right for.

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Speaker 3: It is fully for the Public Health Service, and she

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Speaker 3: would have typically a rank of admiral, but not commander

512
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Speaker 3: of the Seas. But yeah, yeah, some you know, the

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Speaker 3: Public Health Services structured it basically is outgrowth of the navy,

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Speaker 3: and so they basically wear naval tropical uniforms and have

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Speaker 3: assigned ranks as if they were naval officers. But I

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Speaker 3: guarantee getting to be captain or admiral in the Navy

517
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Speaker 3: is a whole different thing from being captain admiral in

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Speaker 3: but neverthe best.

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Speaker 2: So sorry to distract on your point.

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Speaker 3: Twenty percent are just tell me what to do it

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Speaker 3: I'll do it. Twenty percent are tell me what to do,

522
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Speaker 3: and I'll tell you to go straight to hell. And

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Speaker 3: the rest are basically whichever way the wind seems to

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Speaker 3: be blowing. So those are the persuadable middle and they're

525
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Speaker 3: the only ones that matter, by the way, politically. UH

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Speaker 3: and and so UH, you're asking the question, it's been

527
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Speaker 3: a long time getting back to your question. You're asking

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Speaker 3: the question, UH, why is it that we're still seeing

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Speaker 3: UH such a large fraction of the population unwilling to

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Speaker 3: question the dominant UH narrative that was so aggressively promoted

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Speaker 3: and deployed during the COVID crisis, including these UH phrases

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Speaker 3: that are used as part of neurolinguistic programming, such as

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Speaker 3: safe and effective UH. And they're still being used. Uh

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Speaker 3: in although U S A I. D is mostly gutted,

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Speaker 3: but those programs are still in you know, uh.

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Speaker 2: Capitalist in the budget.

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00:42:58,160 --> 00:43:09,600
Speaker 3: Yeah exactly so, Uh, it's people, people that are in

538
00:43:09,680 --> 00:43:14,279
Speaker 3: the base, let's say, don't don't recognize that they are

539
00:43:14,320 --> 00:43:17,360
Speaker 3: still a minority opinion. This is so. I wrote a

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Speaker 3: essay a few days ago about the Splinternet and the

541
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Speaker 3: Balkanization of Uh. It's really the entire knowledge and information space, uh,

542
00:43:32,080 --> 00:43:36,520
Speaker 3: referring to the Balkans in Europe that became very separated

543
00:43:36,600 --> 00:43:40,440
Speaker 3: and isolated from each other economically, and that led to

544
00:43:40,520 --> 00:43:44,680
Speaker 3: some political and economic problems in Europe historically. So the

545
00:43:44,680 --> 00:43:49,000
Speaker 3: Balkans and Balconization becomes a metaphor for when things get fragmented.

546
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Speaker 3: And the Internet is absolutely getting fragmented, hence the new

547
00:43:52,040 --> 00:43:58,800
Speaker 3: term the Splinternet. And it's getting fragmented in some ways

548
00:43:59,280 --> 00:44:04,080
Speaker 3: in an unavoidable process. For instance, you know, we've long

549
00:44:04,160 --> 00:44:09,920
Speaker 3: known that China was controlling what was available to their

550
00:44:10,000 --> 00:44:13,160
Speaker 3: population because they knew that if they had a fully

551
00:44:13,280 --> 00:44:19,600
Speaker 3: open Worldwide Web access, then their population would be exposed

552
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Speaker 3: to ideas that they don't want to be to be

553
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Speaker 3: exposed to in information they don't want, well, the United

554
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Speaker 3: States doesn't want us exposed to information from China, Russia

555
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Speaker 3: being you know, it's almost a direct crime to have

556
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Speaker 3: been employed by Russia Times at this point, you know what,

557
00:44:41,960 --> 00:44:44,920
Speaker 3: most of the world considers far more credible than CNN

558
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Speaker 3: as a news source. But if you were an American

559
00:44:50,320 --> 00:44:53,919
Speaker 3: that ever worked for Russia Times, you can forget about

560
00:44:54,320 --> 00:44:59,040
Speaker 3: having a serious position with any administration or any news

561
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Speaker 3: service now. And uh, there's a good probability that you're

562
00:45:02,719 --> 00:45:05,719
Speaker 3: going to find yourself under investigation by the FBI if

563
00:45:05,760 --> 00:45:10,879
Speaker 3: nothing else. So we do it, they do it. And

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Speaker 3: now we have things like the digital information restrictions in

565
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Speaker 3: Europe that are imposing major finds on social media companies,

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Speaker 3: you know, as a fraction of their revenue if they

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Speaker 3: don't restrict the forms of speech and the and the

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Speaker 3: topic areas that the European Union doesn't want discussed and

569
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Speaker 3: and so then the only way to maintain even if

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Speaker 3: we want to have an open Internet in the United States,

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Speaker 3: we're basically going to have to set up firewalls because Twitter,

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00:45:56,520 --> 00:45:59,799
Speaker 3: you know, Twitter or Facebook or whatever you think about that, Uh,

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Speaker 3: all these entities that are major notes. You know that

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00:46:04,400 --> 00:46:08,440
Speaker 3: another little sorry I'm jumping around. But the folks that

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00:46:08,560 --> 00:46:12,879
Speaker 3: haven't studied the scalability issues with the Internet don't realize

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Speaker 3: that the entire Internet could be taken down by taking

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Speaker 3: out something like little less than one percent of all

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Speaker 3: the nodes, because it's all these major nodes like Google

579
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Speaker 3: that control it all. It's all because of the kind

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Speaker 3: of organic, decentralized structure. You have these major nodes and

581
00:46:31,920 --> 00:46:37,000
Speaker 3: they basically structure the entire Internet organically, and they can't

582
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Speaker 3: operate in an open environment if they're going to get fined,

583
00:46:45,560 --> 00:46:48,640
Speaker 3: you know, five or ten percent of their revenue. Because

584
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Speaker 3: doctor Malone says that Ursula Vondelion is lying right repeatedly. Yeah,

585
00:46:57,520 --> 00:47:05,480
Speaker 3: so as a threat to democracy. So we're going to

586
00:47:05,520 --> 00:47:07,719
Speaker 3: have to set up firewalls in the United States and

587
00:47:08,400 --> 00:47:10,680
Speaker 3: hopefully we have an open Internet in the United States.

588
00:47:10,719 --> 00:47:14,200
Speaker 3: And then, as if that isn't bad enough, we have

589
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Speaker 3: the kind of organic segregation and parsing into communities. That's

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Speaker 3: another major factor of this Internet, so that we're all

591
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Speaker 3: we ourself and the algorithms are reinforcing that we're self

592
00:47:28,320 --> 00:47:32,120
Speaker 3: segregating into little pockets. And this is what gets back

593
00:47:32,160 --> 00:47:36,319
Speaker 3: to the point that the base, which the MA base,

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Speaker 3: which represents one of those segregated pockets, thinks that because

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00:47:41,920 --> 00:47:45,840
Speaker 3: they're only talking to themselves, they think that they represent

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Speaker 3: a majority opinion, and they don't realize that they're still

597
00:47:50,800 --> 00:47:54,040
Speaker 3: in the minority. That these positions like that the job

598
00:47:54,120 --> 00:47:57,520
Speaker 3: should be withdrawn from the market that I advocated with

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Speaker 3: other physicians in a press conference broadcast and recorded at

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Speaker 3: del Big Tree Studio down in Texas about three years ago.

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00:48:07,960 --> 00:48:12,959
Speaker 3: That's still a minority opinion, and it can't break out

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00:48:13,719 --> 00:48:18,920
Speaker 3: because of the organic boundaries that exist within the Splinternet

603
00:48:18,960 --> 00:48:26,400
Speaker 3: and because of things like small rooming that's happening, which

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00:48:26,480 --> 00:48:30,799
Speaker 3: is that I may have one point three million followers

605
00:48:30,840 --> 00:48:36,279
Speaker 3: technically on Twitter but or x, but the truth is

606
00:48:36,360 --> 00:48:40,279
Speaker 3: that my messaging is only allowed to go out to

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00:48:40,400 --> 00:48:43,279
Speaker 3: a small subset of those right even though the other

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00:48:43,320 --> 00:48:49,160
Speaker 3: ones are subscribing. And so I end up feeling thinking

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00:48:50,000 --> 00:48:53,080
Speaker 3: that I'm talking to a broader audience, when in fact

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00:48:53,120 --> 00:48:55,440
Speaker 3: I'm just in the same yet coach chamber. And that's

611
00:48:55,520 --> 00:48:58,960
Speaker 3: true for everybody in this space. So they think that

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00:49:00,160 --> 00:49:04,040
Speaker 3: the world is aligned with them because they're only talking

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00:49:04,080 --> 00:49:08,919
Speaker 3: to people that are like them. And uh so that now,

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00:49:09,120 --> 00:49:15,160
Speaker 3: now Bobby H had been existing in that space Children's

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Speaker 3: health defense. Uh and and the things, the audience that

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00:49:21,360 --> 00:49:29,479
Speaker 3: it speaks to, which is actually fairly modest, was where

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00:49:29,520 --> 00:49:36,319
Speaker 3: he lived and the and until he broke out of

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Speaker 3: the framing, out of the Overton window that was structured

619
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Speaker 3: around him that he's an anti vaxxer by assimilating, no,

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Speaker 3: I'm I'm pro health. Uh and I'm particularly pro children's health.

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Speaker 3: Uh And the vaccine issue is just one aspect of

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Speaker 3: my being pro health. Floride is another one. Uh dies

623
00:50:00,280 --> 00:50:03,879
Speaker 3: in foods or another one, et cetera, et cetera. Then

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00:50:03,920 --> 00:50:05,680
Speaker 3: he was able to break out of that and and

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Speaker 3: reach the granola head tree hugger uh pits off moms right,

626
00:50:12,800 --> 00:50:18,279
Speaker 3: uh and and uh so the rest is history. But uh,

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Speaker 3: now he is running the largest division of the US

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Speaker 3: federal government by budget, bigger than the d O D

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Speaker 3: at least the what is the budget for HHS? I

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Speaker 3: don't know. I can't, I don't have that in my brain.

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Speaker 3: But but it's it's officially because because of basically because

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Speaker 3: of doctor Oz's portfolio Medicare, Medicaid, right. But uh, but

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Speaker 3: it's massive and he now has to I'm referring to

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Speaker 3: Bobby has to represent and operate uh in the interests

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Speaker 3: of the entire nation. Uh. He no longer has the

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00:51:07,200 --> 00:51:12,879
Speaker 3: latitude to just speak to uh the true believers. Uh.

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Speaker 3: And that's the base doesn't seem to understand that, right,

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00:51:19,400 --> 00:51:25,080
Speaker 3: that that he is operating in a totally different battlefield now,

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00:51:25,239 --> 00:51:29,000
Speaker 3: Uh and uh and up against as I said before,

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00:51:29,840 --> 00:51:36,440
Speaker 3: the most powerful organizations in the world, Big finance, UH,

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00:51:36,640 --> 00:51:43,600
Speaker 3: Wall Street, big pharm, A big Egg, big food. I

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00:51:43,600 --> 00:51:46,839
Speaker 3: mean this is this is uh, you know, this is

643
00:51:47,400 --> 00:51:51,840
Speaker 3: the big leagues, boys and girls. Uh, this is so

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00:51:52,000 --> 00:51:56,680
Speaker 3: much more than just vaccines that he's having to grapple with. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I love how you frame it in that context, or

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Speaker 1: you know, as like you and you keep coming back

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00:52:02,000 --> 00:52:04,839
Speaker 1: to that fight. Right, And I'm I'm hearing it from

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Speaker 1: my friends that are high up at d O D

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Speaker 1: what you know, Pete Hagseith is having to do with

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Speaker 1: deal with Right, I'm I'm hearing inclinations of it within

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Speaker 1: the intelligence community. Right, and how entrenched you know, how

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Speaker 1: difficult it is with Radcliffe and and everybody doing that

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Speaker 1: same thing. If if if.

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Speaker 3: Has got the tire by the tail and the and

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Speaker 3: where the rubber hits the road. Not to make too

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Speaker 3: many metaphors, there is uh the investigation of viral origins.

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Speaker 1: Yes, yep, yeah, and I And it's interesting as you

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Speaker 1: depict the magnitude of all of these things together and

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Speaker 1: hopefully the audience is allowing themselves to make those connections, right, because.

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Speaker 2: Well that's what happens, right.

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Speaker 1: People's minds blow and then are all of a sudden

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Speaker 1: the wheat everything I thought I knew might not be true?

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Speaker 2: And then what do I do now?

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Speaker 1: Like?

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Speaker 2: How do I stay positive? How do I.

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Speaker 3: How do you stay a happy warrior?

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Speaker 4: You remember Ronald Reagan? Okay, never forget Ronald Reagan. It's

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Speaker 4: morning in America. Be a happy warrior. Do not be

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Speaker 4: one of these you know, down Debbie Downer. The sky

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Speaker 4: is falling, Henny Penny.

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Speaker 1: I really hope you're enjoying the show with Doctor Robert Malone.

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Speaker 1: We want to pause briefly for me to remind you

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Speaker 1: that on May thirty first, at eleven am Eastern Standard

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Speaker 1: Time on our Patreon account, I will be giving a

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Speaker 1: live motivational event one hour of the most incredible motivation

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Speaker 2: This is thirty years of really me trying.

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Speaker 1: To understand what about the human condition that enables us

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Speaker 1: to succeed or what drives failure in the most.

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Speaker 2: Extreme environments imaginable?

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Speaker 2: Thank you.

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Speaker 1: Do you think that that's that's if you were to

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Speaker 1: be able to get If if if Bobby Junior called

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Speaker 1: you tomorrow said doctor Malone, I want you to come in.

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Speaker 1: I want you to be one of my advisors.

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Speaker 3: What are what are this?

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Speaker 2: How are you going to attack this system?

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Speaker 1: This this you know, this multi headed system from from

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Speaker 1: the scientific community. How do you begin to break apart

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Speaker 1: or at least at that core point? What do you

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Speaker 1: advise him to do?

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Speaker 3: If had made that call, and if I was in

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Speaker 3: the progress of being vetted for something like that, I

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Speaker 3: would have to deny it. Wow, because that's the doose

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Speaker 3: are the rules in the Trump administration? Is the fastest

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Speaker 3: way to find yourself not appointed is to announce your

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Speaker 3: appointment got it prematurely, and a number have fallen a

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Speaker 3: foul of that, including unfortunately the people that were initially

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Speaker 3: considered for USDA right, a congressman that I strongly support,

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Speaker 3: in a farmer that I strongly supported. It's just unfortunate.

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Speaker 3: I've seen it again and again. So if if something

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Speaker 3: like that theoretical uh was to happen, I would find

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Speaker 3: myself in a position where I'm one voice in the

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Speaker 3: context of a massive bureaucracy with all kinds of competing interests.

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Speaker 3: So the best I could hope to do would be

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Speaker 3: to use the term nudge at the margins and what

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Speaker 3: I think. So my position on all of this has

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Speaker 3: been all the way through. If called to serve my country,

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Speaker 3: I will do so to the best of my ability.

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Speaker 3: But I do not seek an appointment. There are I

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Speaker 3: think there are places where I can be useful, and

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Speaker 3: there are other places that I might be useful, but

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Speaker 3: I don't want and that that don't want. Part is

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Speaker 3: I know enough about what it would be like to

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Speaker 3: have an administrative slot that I have absolutely no interest

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Speaker 3: in such full stop.

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Speaker 2: Up roger that all right, noted, all right, the last little.

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Speaker 3: Bit, But in terms of of policy positions where I

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Speaker 3: can be used effectively here, UH is UH coming from

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Speaker 3: two places, and I've spoken to Heritage about this. In theory,

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Speaker 3: I'm supposed I need to get back to them. Ah,

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Speaker 3: I would I would love to be involved in rethinking

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Speaker 3: the Van of R. Bush underlying assumptions that have guided

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Speaker 3: the structure of the entire federal R and D enterprise.

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Speaker 3: Van of our Bush for those that are you know,

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Speaker 3: look it up on Google. Van of R. Bush was

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Speaker 3: a key figure in UH the Manhattan Project structure and

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Speaker 3: operations UH and is a name that's not often mentioned.

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Speaker 3: And then post war he was tasked with basically taking

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Speaker 3: the lessons learned and applying it first within D O, D,

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Speaker 3: R and D and then in a broader sense across

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Speaker 3: the federal government. And the structure that he set up

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Speaker 3: worked extremely well, but it's being compromised. Over time, a

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Speaker 3: lot of people have figured out how to work around

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Speaker 3: things and manipulate things and create these little victims. Like

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Speaker 3: Tony Fauci kind of personifies these little mafias, and that

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Speaker 3: someone needs to take a good, hard, long look at

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Speaker 3: that structure and update it in light of artificial intelligence

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Speaker 3: and all the modern capabilities that we have.

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Speaker 2: Well for me that I'm sorry, go ahead.

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Speaker 3: I'm also potentially useful as a subject matter expert in

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Speaker 3: things relating to gene therapy, genetic delivery technologies, vaccines, and

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Speaker 3: general regulatory affairs platform technologies. There's a outstanding congressionally mandated

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Speaker 3: new FDA guidance relating to platform technologies, potentially assisting in

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Speaker 3: various ways the advisory boards, the Vaccine and Related Biologics

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Speaker 3: Advisory Committee and the ACIP Advisory Committee, and organization practices

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Speaker 3: at the CDC. So my business before all this, and

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Speaker 3: one of the reasons why I was comfortable being a

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Speaker 3: you call it whistleblower or a truth teller or whatever

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Speaker 3: is that that has been my business is I've basically

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Speaker 3: been a coach to the C suite for years because

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Speaker 3: I could be reliably assumed to provide an independent assessment

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Speaker 3: of risks and opportunities to executives that are typically surrounded

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Speaker 3: by sick fans. So that's kind of in my brand,

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Speaker 3: and so it wasn't that much of a stretch to

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Speaker 3: kind of do that on a bigger scale. But I can,

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Speaker 3: I can be helpful to assistant secretaries, directors on kind

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Speaker 3: of an ad hoc basis to assist them in determining

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Speaker 3: what their options are, exploring those options, and that's I

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Speaker 3: think those are ways that I could be useful to

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Speaker 3: Secretary Kennedy, including serving as a sounding board to the

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Speaker 3: Secretary should he wish.

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Speaker 1: That answer was exactly what I was hoping that you

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Speaker 1: would say for me. Obviously, the greatest fear that I

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Speaker 1: have is.

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Speaker 3: That this whole.

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Speaker 1: Idea of what whether it's coming from the w h

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Speaker 1: O and and they're crazy true treaty they were trying

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Speaker 1: to get past in April, whether last and last year

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Speaker 1: as well.

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Speaker 3: The way is coming up for a vote and they're

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Speaker 3: still jamming it through. They've kind of dialed back on

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Speaker 3: some of the rhetoric, but it's still there.

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Speaker 1: Do you want to talk a little bit about that

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Speaker 1: at all? Or is that too that that's a lot

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Speaker 1: to get.

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Speaker 3: In They've so I this is this has come at

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Speaker 3: us in two packages, the International Health Regulations, which they

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Speaker 3: jammed through modifications on basically by violating their own rules

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Speaker 3: and protocols. And Tedros is the guy that is what

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Speaker 3: was the what was the rallying cry, I'm in the

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Speaker 3: prior campaign, I'm not encumbered by what has been. Oh

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Speaker 3: my god, tedros seems to be a true believer in

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Speaker 3: not being encumbered by what has been. Uh and and.

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Speaker 2: He's the embodiment of that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he kind of is. And uh uh you know,

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Speaker 3: with the full backing of Bill Gates and the WEF

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Speaker 3: and I'm so so he jammed this through basically by

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Speaker 3: violating all the rules in kind of a after dinner

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Speaker 3: lightning strike on the last day. That's the International Health

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Speaker 3: Regulations where a lot of the delegates weren't even present

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Speaker 3: to vote on it. And it's another one of those

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Speaker 3: things like the way Congress passes the budget. You know,

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Speaker 3: they drop it on your desk and say vote no,

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Speaker 3: you don't have time to read it. That's pretty much

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Speaker 3: the new model governance.

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Speaker 2: New I think we're going on like thirty.

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Speaker 3: Years of that doc. Yeah, well they've they've refined it

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Speaker 3: to a fine art and Ted Rose is a true

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Speaker 3: believer in that. And then so then the next one,

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Speaker 3: the other part of the package was the pandemic treat

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Speaker 3: and they're no longer calling it a treaty. They've tried

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Speaker 3: to dial back on some of the wording. They're banking

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Speaker 3: it less proscriptive, but it's still getting jammed through and

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Speaker 3: it's going to come up for a vote. But I'm

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Speaker 3: not clear whether the US so in the prior in

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Speaker 3: the Biden administration. Biden administration didn't even bother to appoint

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Speaker 3: somebody to the basically Board of Directors of the World

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Speaker 3: Health Organization representing the United States. And given that President

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Speaker 3: Trump's position as we're getting out of this, thank you

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Speaker 3: very much, I doubt that he has appointed somebody for

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Speaker 3: that's that was actually a slot that I personally volunteered.

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Speaker 3: I'd say, I like this job because I would love

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Speaker 3: to be sitting there turning the screws on them, on

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Speaker 3: behalf of the United States as we cancel our obligations.

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Speaker 3: But you know, if wishes were fishes, we would all

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Speaker 3: be there would be no beggars. So that didn't happen.

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Speaker 3: So it's it's I'm sure that they're going to vote

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Speaker 3: in some pseudo treaty and we're basically gonna save at

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Speaker 3: least I hope.

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Speaker 1: So from your lips to his ears right, you know,

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Speaker 1: along those lines, I think for me, you know, we

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Speaker 1: have all of these let's call them stakeholders around the world,

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Speaker 1: who are all you know out there pontificating about, oh,

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Speaker 1: the next one is gonna be the big one, the

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Speaker 1: next one.

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Speaker 3: All that existential fear that's you're going to die, You're

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Speaker 3: going to.

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Speaker 2: Die, conditioning, that conditioning.

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Speaker 1: And so for me, you know that that ability for

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Speaker 1: you to be uh, you know that that you.

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Speaker 2: Know, really powerful guide to this.

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Speaker 1: You know, if if that should happen, and you know,

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Speaker 1: if if you're listening, you know, don't be afraid to

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Speaker 1: call your local congressman or call HHS and and advocate

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Speaker 1: for doctor Malone to at least you know, be consultant

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Speaker 1: on all this, all these things. But for for me,

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Speaker 1: it's really about you know, bio weapons research, uh, which

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Speaker 1: I believe is ultimately the core of what we're dealing

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Speaker 1: with right now. And so you know, my my last

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Speaker 1: kind of you know, spectrum of of your analysis that

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Speaker 1: I would love you to, you know, share with us

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Speaker 1: is where are we right now in terms of gain

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Speaker 1: of function and in terms of the NGOs that we're

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Speaker 1: outsourcing it where it's been outsources.

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Speaker 2: You know, where are we now?

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Speaker 1: And what does the current battle space of bio weapons

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Speaker 1: research and development look like? And what would you see

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Speaker 1: like to see happen in the next, you know, six

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Speaker 1: months with that. Well, if you're anything like me, during

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Speaker 1: that interview, my mind was blown.

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Speaker 2: Doctor Robert Malone is truly.

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Speaker 1: An expert when it comes to all things relative to

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Speaker 1: the COVID nineteen pandemic, the lead up to it, the

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Speaker 1: generation of the mRNA vaccines. He was one of the

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Speaker 1: original inventors of the technology, as well as so much

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Speaker 1: more in terms of mass formation, psychosis, the government's role

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Speaker 1: in all this.

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Speaker 2: I understand it was.

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Speaker 1: It's a lot to process, says, but stand by to

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Speaker 1: stand by because part two is coming up. Please join

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Speaker 1: us again during that episode where doctor Robert Malone is

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Speaker 1: going to dig into bioweapons research, bioweapons proliferation, and what

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Speaker 1: he feels the United States needs to embark on next.

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Speaker 1: So don't miss part two of my interview with doctor

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Speaker 1: Robert Malone.

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Speaker 2: Thank you very much.