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You have children, 16 00:01:09,480 --> 00:01:13,040 Speaker 1: right or a grandchild, or a niece or a nephew 17 00:01:14,080 --> 00:01:20,480 Speaker 1: mine or twelve right now, imagine Honey Malone's mother, her 18 00:01:21,000 --> 00:01:26,800 Speaker 1: teen girl, Vanessa Honey Malone, just eighteen years old, great grades, 19 00:01:27,200 --> 00:01:32,000 Speaker 1: never in trouble, even has a job. She comes home, 20 00:01:32,640 --> 00:01:36,240 Speaker 1: she steps out in the condo complex. The next thing 21 00:01:36,280 --> 00:01:41,640 Speaker 1: you know at the door and Mom discovers Honey has 22 00:01:41,680 --> 00:01:48,520 Speaker 1: been shot dead. Why right now a major break in 23 00:01:48,560 --> 00:01:59,559 Speaker 1: the case. I'm Nancy Grace. This is Crime Stories. Crime 24 00:01:59,640 --> 00:02:09,920 Speaker 1: Story with Nancy Grace. How does a beautiful and I 25 00:02:10,080 --> 00:02:15,600 Speaker 1: mean beautiful eighteen year old girl end up dead? A 26 00:02:15,720 --> 00:02:19,880 Speaker 1: girl scrubbed in sunshine? You know my children now, my 27 00:02:20,000 --> 00:02:24,040 Speaker 1: twins John, David and Lucy are twelve, they'll soon be thirteen. 28 00:02:24,560 --> 00:02:29,600 Speaker 1: God help me this young girl just five years older 29 00:02:29,600 --> 00:02:34,720 Speaker 1: than them. I'm talking about a beautiful girl, Vanessa Malone, 30 00:02:34,880 --> 00:02:39,280 Speaker 1: so sweet. Her nickname's Honey. I Nancy Grace, this is 31 00:02:39,320 --> 00:02:42,840 Speaker 1: Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us. The night 32 00:02:43,000 --> 00:02:47,680 Speaker 1: of October twenty three began to play out like every 33 00:02:48,000 --> 00:02:54,520 Speaker 1: other night, except somehow Vanessa Honey Malone ends up dead. 34 00:02:55,520 --> 00:02:57,480 Speaker 1: Thank you so much for being with us here at 35 00:02:57,480 --> 00:03:02,120 Speaker 1: Crime Stories on Fox Nation and Sex one eleven with 36 00:03:02,160 --> 00:03:05,760 Speaker 1: Me and all Star Powell. But first, take a listen 37 00:03:05,760 --> 00:03:10,880 Speaker 1: to our friends at CBS forty six CSI, Atlanta's podcast 38 00:03:10,919 --> 00:03:14,960 Speaker 1: host Karen Greer. Police in decap County, Georgia, respond to 39 00:03:15,000 --> 00:03:19,840 Speaker 1: a call at an apartment complex. Two victims meet police outside. 40 00:03:20,080 --> 00:03:23,040 Speaker 1: They claim a group of masked men barged into their apartment, 41 00:03:23,120 --> 00:03:29,080 Speaker 1: tied them up and locked them in the bathroom. Police 42 00:03:29,120 --> 00:03:32,720 Speaker 1: walk into the Dingy Rundown apartment, they see a trail 43 00:03:32,720 --> 00:03:36,000 Speaker 1: of blood leading from the front door to a bedroom 44 00:03:36,000 --> 00:03:41,480 Speaker 1: in the back. There in the closet is the body 45 00:03:41,480 --> 00:03:44,440 Speaker 1: of eighteen year old Vanessa Malone. Three or Honey's friends 46 00:03:44,440 --> 00:03:47,360 Speaker 1: were at the apartment that night before Honey got there. 47 00:03:47,840 --> 00:03:50,720 Speaker 1: They claim three to six men dressed in all black 48 00:03:51,120 --> 00:03:54,280 Speaker 1: stormed into the apartment. One of Honey's friends was able 49 00:03:54,320 --> 00:03:57,320 Speaker 1: to get away, while the horde of masked bandits tied 50 00:03:57,360 --> 00:04:00,640 Speaker 1: the other two victims together with an extension chord and 51 00:04:00,800 --> 00:04:04,120 Speaker 1: lock them in the bathroom. The burglars were ransacking the 52 00:04:04,160 --> 00:04:07,200 Speaker 1: apartment when the victims heard Honey come in the front door, 53 00:04:07,720 --> 00:04:12,200 Speaker 1: and then there were gunshots. You were hearing our friend 54 00:04:12,320 --> 00:04:15,440 Speaker 1: Karen Greer at CBS forty six, the news anchor and 55 00:04:15,560 --> 00:04:19,719 Speaker 1: host of CSI Atlanta with me as I mentioned an 56 00:04:19,760 --> 00:04:25,400 Speaker 1: all star panel including Karen Greer from CBS forty six Atlanta, 57 00:04:25,560 --> 00:04:29,240 Speaker 1: my longtime colleague Cheryl mccollin, director of the Cold Case 58 00:04:29,279 --> 00:04:34,240 Speaker 1: Research Institute and forensic expert who took this case national 59 00:04:34,560 --> 00:04:40,360 Speaker 1: with me, Wendy Patrick former prosecutor and author of Red Flags. 60 00:04:40,360 --> 00:04:43,960 Speaker 1: On Amazon, you can find her at Wendy Patrick PhD 61 00:04:44,160 --> 00:04:48,200 Speaker 1: dot com. Renowned psychoanalyst to the stars, doctor Bethany Marshall 62 00:04:48,320 --> 00:04:50,840 Speaker 1: joining us from Beverly Hills you can find her at 63 00:04:50,880 --> 00:04:56,120 Speaker 1: doctor Bethany Marshall dot com. And two very special guests 64 00:04:56,200 --> 00:05:00,479 Speaker 1: joining me, and I feel like I know them. Flora Malone, 65 00:05:01,320 --> 00:05:08,640 Speaker 1: this is Vanessa Honey Malone's mother, and Cassandra Kennedy, her sister. Ladies, 66 00:05:08,880 --> 00:05:14,120 Speaker 1: thank you for being with us. First of all, to 67 00:05:14,320 --> 00:05:18,599 Speaker 1: Miss Malone, this is Honey's mother, Miss Malone. I feel 68 00:05:18,640 --> 00:05:24,680 Speaker 1: like over time since I first covered Honey's death, I 69 00:05:24,720 --> 00:05:29,880 Speaker 1: feel like I've gotten to know you. But nobody understands 70 00:05:30,240 --> 00:05:36,440 Speaker 1: the grief a mother endures when her child is dead, 71 00:05:37,360 --> 00:05:42,160 Speaker 1: When her child, much less is dead from violence. It's 72 00:05:42,279 --> 00:05:45,120 Speaker 1: not like she got ill and was in the hospital. 73 00:05:45,200 --> 00:05:48,720 Speaker 1: It's not like she had a car crash, nothing like that. 74 00:05:49,320 --> 00:05:53,440 Speaker 1: To have her taken away from you so young, such 75 00:05:53,480 --> 00:05:56,440 Speaker 1: a beautiful girl, with her life in front of her, 76 00:05:57,560 --> 00:06:02,080 Speaker 1: it's something I don't think you ever get over this day, 77 00:06:02,800 --> 00:06:07,680 Speaker 1: Miss Malone. Do you still feel what you felt the 78 00:06:07,800 --> 00:06:12,560 Speaker 1: night that Honey was killed? Absolutely? Because we miss them 79 00:06:12,680 --> 00:06:16,520 Speaker 1: every day. We're still in shocked. It means you took 80 00:06:16,520 --> 00:06:20,240 Speaker 1: a big part of our lives away from them. You know, sometimes, 81 00:06:20,600 --> 00:06:24,240 Speaker 1: Cheryl McCallum, you know my twins very well. I look 82 00:06:24,279 --> 00:06:26,599 Speaker 1: at them and I imagine, you know, when they get 83 00:06:26,680 --> 00:06:32,360 Speaker 1: eighteen and they, I hope, go away to college. I 84 00:06:32,400 --> 00:06:36,520 Speaker 1: think about how empty our home will be without them. 85 00:06:37,600 --> 00:06:39,960 Speaker 1: I don't I don't know what I did before them. 86 00:06:40,040 --> 00:06:42,760 Speaker 1: I don't know what I'm gonna do after they go away. 87 00:06:44,279 --> 00:06:48,799 Speaker 1: Do you remember, Cheryl McCollum, when Honey, when it first 88 00:06:48,839 --> 00:06:53,280 Speaker 1: hit the news, Honey Malone had been killed. Yes, And 89 00:06:53,320 --> 00:06:55,560 Speaker 1: I remember the first time that I met her mom. 90 00:06:56,240 --> 00:06:59,000 Speaker 1: She came to the college and tracked me down and 91 00:07:00,120 --> 00:07:04,919 Speaker 1: just wanted help. I mean she was digging, begging for help, begging. 92 00:07:05,080 --> 00:07:09,240 Speaker 1: I mean, she just wanted help from anybody. And you know, 93 00:07:09,320 --> 00:07:11,760 Speaker 1: she touched me so much that the way she talked 94 00:07:11,800 --> 00:07:16,160 Speaker 1: about Honey, I just felt kind of a connection, and 95 00:07:16,200 --> 00:07:19,320 Speaker 1: I thought, we're gonna do everything we can to try 96 00:07:19,360 --> 00:07:24,000 Speaker 1: to help her. You know, I'm curious, Cheryl McCollum, why 97 00:07:24,120 --> 00:07:28,280 Speaker 1: do you think Honey's mother had to seek you out? 98 00:07:28,400 --> 00:07:31,320 Speaker 1: Of course you're an expert. I mean that goes without saying. 99 00:07:31,920 --> 00:07:36,680 Speaker 1: But why wasn't she getting answers to what happened to 100 00:07:36,720 --> 00:07:40,000 Speaker 1: her daughter? I think law ENFORCEMNT wanted to play it 101 00:07:40,120 --> 00:07:43,920 Speaker 1: close to the vant as sometimes they do, and she 102 00:07:44,040 --> 00:07:48,080 Speaker 1: wasn't getting a lot of response. That she was craving. 103 00:07:49,200 --> 00:07:51,440 Speaker 1: She had said it herself that she just felt like 104 00:07:51,480 --> 00:07:54,560 Speaker 1: she was this crazy person that her mind could not 105 00:07:54,800 --> 00:07:58,480 Speaker 1: rest because she had so many questions and they were 106 00:07:58,600 --> 00:08:02,680 Speaker 1: not providing these just for her, that she was desperate for. 107 00:08:02,920 --> 00:08:09,880 Speaker 1: Nancy Back to Honey's mother, Miss Malone, Miss Flora that day, 108 00:08:09,920 --> 00:08:13,160 Speaker 1: and now I know Honey was living with you and 109 00:08:13,280 --> 00:08:15,800 Speaker 1: you picked her up from work. Where was she working? 110 00:08:16,200 --> 00:08:19,320 Speaker 1: She worked at a little company called C W. Price. 111 00:08:19,480 --> 00:08:22,440 Speaker 1: What was that? A little um kind of like a 112 00:08:22,520 --> 00:08:26,000 Speaker 1: mini wrong? And you picked her up from work that day? Yes, 113 00:08:26,160 --> 00:08:29,760 Speaker 1: I drove her to work. I took her early so 114 00:08:29,800 --> 00:08:32,040 Speaker 1: she could get her nails done and eat before work, 115 00:08:32,960 --> 00:08:36,200 Speaker 1: and then I picked her up around nine thirty five 116 00:08:36,800 --> 00:08:41,080 Speaker 1: ninety was a typical predis then what happened? What happened? Then? 117 00:08:41,240 --> 00:08:43,600 Speaker 1: When we came home, she was telling me she had 118 00:08:43,640 --> 00:08:48,800 Speaker 1: a long day, she was tired. Um, I said, okay, 119 00:08:49,320 --> 00:08:54,120 Speaker 1: And then she was talking to somebody, and then she said, 120 00:08:54,400 --> 00:08:56,040 Speaker 1: I'm gonna go out and I'm gonna be right back, 121 00:08:56,360 --> 00:09:00,160 Speaker 1: all right. And I said, well, you tired, so just 122 00:09:00,200 --> 00:09:03,480 Speaker 1: stay home. She's like, no, I'll be right back. And 123 00:09:03,520 --> 00:09:07,640 Speaker 1: then she left out and came right back then walked 124 00:09:07,679 --> 00:09:11,840 Speaker 1: around the whole condo all the way back to my room, 125 00:09:11,840 --> 00:09:14,200 Speaker 1: and she's like, I love you, Mom, Like I love 126 00:09:14,240 --> 00:09:19,680 Speaker 1: you too. And it didn't seem strange until after I 127 00:09:19,720 --> 00:09:24,760 Speaker 1: found out what happened. That maybe she knew I have 128 00:09:24,880 --> 00:09:27,920 Speaker 1: one of these minds that has I'd like to feel 129 00:09:27,920 --> 00:09:30,440 Speaker 1: her the blanks of everything. So when she said she 130 00:09:30,600 --> 00:09:34,320 Speaker 1: was going out, you just assumed that she was walking 131 00:09:34,360 --> 00:09:36,880 Speaker 1: around the neighborhood. Yes, I figured she would stop by 132 00:09:37,000 --> 00:09:40,480 Speaker 1: just a person that's really closed because she doesn't have 133 00:09:40,520 --> 00:09:43,960 Speaker 1: a car and nobody was there to pick her up. Oh, 134 00:09:44,040 --> 00:09:45,640 Speaker 1: she said she would be right back, so I think 135 00:09:45,640 --> 00:09:48,360 Speaker 1: that she would go some places. You know, I'm looking 136 00:09:48,360 --> 00:09:51,240 Speaker 1: at her picture right now, missing alone, and I'm looking 137 00:09:51,280 --> 00:09:53,600 Speaker 1: she's got her hair pulled up and then down and 138 00:09:53,679 --> 00:09:57,800 Speaker 1: curls on the side. That's the way my sister wore 139 00:09:57,840 --> 00:10:01,120 Speaker 1: her hair in high school. How long would it take 140 00:10:01,520 --> 00:10:07,679 Speaker 1: honey to do those curls? Natural? Curly here really because 141 00:10:07,679 --> 00:10:10,400 Speaker 1: she looks like a model. Guys, if you want to 142 00:10:10,440 --> 00:10:14,000 Speaker 1: see this gorgeous girl, go to crime online dot com. 143 00:10:14,200 --> 00:10:18,640 Speaker 1: And I'm just looking at her, the whole world in 144 00:10:18,760 --> 00:10:22,760 Speaker 1: front of her. How did it all go wrong? You know? 145 00:10:22,840 --> 00:10:25,400 Speaker 1: To doctor Bethany Marshall, Psycho Allen's joining me out of 146 00:10:25,440 --> 00:10:31,200 Speaker 1: Beverly Hills, Doctor Bethany, I still speak about my dad 147 00:10:32,000 --> 00:10:35,920 Speaker 1: Mac usually as if he's still alive, because to me, 148 00:10:36,640 --> 00:10:40,320 Speaker 1: he's so real to me all the time. In fact, 149 00:10:40,320 --> 00:10:42,480 Speaker 1: I mean, I've got a shirt right here that I 150 00:10:42,520 --> 00:10:46,760 Speaker 1: wear all the time. I'm do. Have you noticed when 151 00:10:46,840 --> 00:10:49,480 Speaker 1: Miss Malone is speaking it sounds as if Honey is 152 00:10:49,480 --> 00:10:53,199 Speaker 1: still alive? What does that mean? What is that? And 153 00:10:53,280 --> 00:10:56,480 Speaker 1: don't tell me there's something wrong with us, doctor Bethany. Okay, 154 00:10:56,640 --> 00:11:01,040 Speaker 1: I know Nancy because she is alive and her heart 155 00:11:01,080 --> 00:11:05,400 Speaker 1: and in her mind, in her memories. And Miss Malone 156 00:11:05,880 --> 00:11:09,520 Speaker 1: loved Honey. And I saw that picture too of Honey. 157 00:11:09,559 --> 00:11:12,600 Speaker 1: She had the blue nails, she had the jeans on, 158 00:11:13,200 --> 00:11:16,160 Speaker 1: she's kind of posed like a model. She is such 159 00:11:16,360 --> 00:11:19,240 Speaker 1: a gorgeous girl. And the day that she left her 160 00:11:19,280 --> 00:11:22,840 Speaker 1: mother's house, she had worked a long ship. She'd gotten 161 00:11:22,840 --> 00:11:26,640 Speaker 1: her nails done. This was a young woman with her 162 00:11:26,640 --> 00:11:30,120 Speaker 1: whole life ahead of her, who was leading such a 163 00:11:30,320 --> 00:11:32,640 Speaker 1: good life. Do you know how many eighteen year olds 164 00:11:32,679 --> 00:11:35,240 Speaker 1: don't want to work and this girl went out and 165 00:11:35,320 --> 00:11:38,760 Speaker 1: was working and was supporting herself and taking care of herself. 166 00:11:39,280 --> 00:11:41,440 Speaker 1: I would say that her mother speaks of her in 167 00:11:41,480 --> 00:11:45,280 Speaker 1: the present tense because she is alive. Her mother's has 168 00:11:45,320 --> 00:11:47,839 Speaker 1: kept her alive in memory. You have kept her alive. 169 00:11:48,000 --> 00:11:51,600 Speaker 1: We have kept her alive, Cheryl McCallum. She is active 170 00:11:51,760 --> 00:11:55,400 Speaker 1: in all of our minds. We are all attached to 171 00:11:55,400 --> 00:11:59,560 Speaker 1: her and engaged with her beyond the grave because she 172 00:12:00,120 --> 00:12:03,320 Speaker 1: is meaningful to us, and her mother has done what 173 00:12:03,440 --> 00:12:07,120 Speaker 1: every victim of crime should do. She has made meaning 174 00:12:07,240 --> 00:12:10,800 Speaker 1: out of this situation, and hopefully this helps other victims 175 00:12:10,840 --> 00:12:13,120 Speaker 1: to keep the memories of their loved ones a life too. 176 00:12:26,240 --> 00:12:31,719 Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace Farrel. Are you just joining us? 177 00:12:31,920 --> 00:12:37,160 Speaker 1: We are bringing you breaking news and the sudden and 178 00:12:37,320 --> 00:12:41,880 Speaker 1: shocking death a beautiful eighteen year old girl, Honey Malone. 179 00:12:42,679 --> 00:12:45,840 Speaker 1: What happened? How does a gorgeous eighteen year old girl 180 00:12:46,160 --> 00:12:49,160 Speaker 1: world in front of her living at home with mom, 181 00:12:49,200 --> 00:12:52,720 Speaker 1: having a job, continuing with school, How does she end 182 00:12:52,800 --> 00:12:58,360 Speaker 1: up dead in a closet. Dead in a closet. Take 183 00:12:58,400 --> 00:13:03,280 Speaker 1: a listen to our friends at CBS forty six CSI Atlanta. 184 00:13:03,480 --> 00:13:06,720 Speaker 1: This is special guest host Karen Grier. She was found 185 00:13:06,720 --> 00:13:09,240 Speaker 1: in a bedroom closet, shot once in the back and 186 00:13:09,360 --> 00:13:13,560 Speaker 1: again her chest. We're talking about broad people that had 187 00:13:13,640 --> 00:13:18,240 Speaker 1: weapons in the apartment, and she was the lease of 188 00:13:18,320 --> 00:13:21,720 Speaker 1: the threat, and she was the one murder. I just 189 00:13:22,280 --> 00:13:25,560 Speaker 1: I can't wrap my head around that her two friends, 190 00:13:25,559 --> 00:13:27,600 Speaker 1: a man and a woman, had been tied up in 191 00:13:27,600 --> 00:13:30,480 Speaker 1: the bathroom by an unknown number of masked men with 192 00:13:30,600 --> 00:13:34,440 Speaker 1: guns who had kicked down their door. But why was 193 00:13:34,520 --> 00:13:38,800 Speaker 1: Honey the only one harmed? No one? No one was 194 00:13:38,840 --> 00:13:44,360 Speaker 1: pissed a whip, nobody was stabbed, nobody. Her family believes 195 00:13:44,400 --> 00:13:48,440 Speaker 1: Honey's friends truly know what happened and possibly played a 196 00:13:48,480 --> 00:13:51,960 Speaker 1: part in her death. I just want to sleep. Police 197 00:13:52,080 --> 00:13:54,959 Speaker 1: remained tight lipped about the investigation. We need answer. I 198 00:13:54,960 --> 00:13:57,440 Speaker 1: don't want to wake up and hear the phone. Range 199 00:13:58,360 --> 00:14:02,520 Speaker 1: detective called me in and say him, got him. This 200 00:14:02,559 --> 00:14:06,080 Speaker 1: is what happened. Guys, you're hearing our friend Karen Greer 201 00:14:06,600 --> 00:14:12,560 Speaker 1: CSI Atlanta podcast and joining me right now. Is Karen Greer, 202 00:14:12,760 --> 00:14:15,720 Speaker 1: along with my longtime colleague, director of the Cold Case 203 00:14:15,760 --> 00:14:20,000 Speaker 1: Research Institute, Cheryl McCollum. Karen Greer, you and Cheryl have 204 00:14:20,080 --> 00:14:22,760 Speaker 1: been on this case since the beginning, and it has 205 00:14:22,800 --> 00:14:25,840 Speaker 1: taken a really long time to crack. I want to 206 00:14:25,840 --> 00:14:28,480 Speaker 1: go back to that night because so many things are 207 00:14:28,560 --> 00:14:33,040 Speaker 1: wrong for me with what I'm hearing about the crime scene. 208 00:14:33,240 --> 00:14:35,920 Speaker 1: It's not fitting together. And when it's not fitting together, 209 00:14:36,120 --> 00:14:38,400 Speaker 1: that means I'm missing a piece of the puzzle, or 210 00:14:38,440 --> 00:14:42,440 Speaker 1: somebody's lying. For a girl like Honey Malone to end 211 00:14:42,480 --> 00:14:46,200 Speaker 1: up dad in a closet in an apartment where some 212 00:14:46,280 --> 00:14:52,520 Speaker 1: of her friends have been masked men. That sounds like 213 00:14:52,560 --> 00:14:55,560 Speaker 1: it's out of a movie and made up drama. Tell 214 00:14:55,600 --> 00:14:59,000 Speaker 1: me what you recall, Karen, regarding the night, what you 215 00:14:59,000 --> 00:15:01,960 Speaker 1: have learned about the all right, that Honey Malone, eighteen 216 00:15:02,080 --> 00:15:07,360 Speaker 1: year old innocent girl ends up dead gunshot wounds in 217 00:15:07,520 --> 00:15:11,440 Speaker 1: a closet. Carol, you know we've talked about saf Sheryl 218 00:15:11,480 --> 00:15:13,760 Speaker 1: and I walked to that crime scene. We went from 219 00:15:14,080 --> 00:15:17,200 Speaker 1: you know, where Honey's house was, to the apartment where 220 00:15:17,280 --> 00:15:21,800 Speaker 1: she lost her life. None of this made them. You know, 221 00:15:21,880 --> 00:15:24,160 Speaker 1: I've got children too. You talk about the twins, you know, 222 00:15:24,200 --> 00:15:26,920 Speaker 1: minor now twenty one and twenty four, and I can't 223 00:15:26,920 --> 00:15:31,360 Speaker 1: imagine them showing up at a friend's apartment and then 224 00:15:31,560 --> 00:15:36,480 Speaker 1: being tied up the friends supposedly and she's killed. No 225 00:15:36,480 --> 00:15:38,880 Speaker 1: one else in the apartment was hurt. They were just 226 00:15:39,120 --> 00:15:43,640 Speaker 1: supposedly tied up. Who whoa whoa right there, caring career, 227 00:15:45,400 --> 00:15:47,720 Speaker 1: you're sounding like, oh, they were in the kitchen have 228 00:15:47,760 --> 00:15:49,880 Speaker 1: a pizza, but you're saying, oh, they were tied up 229 00:15:49,880 --> 00:15:55,240 Speaker 1: in another room. No, that's not normal. And for Flora Malone, 230 00:15:55,440 --> 00:15:58,160 Speaker 1: her daughter says, I'm gonna go outside. That's like John 231 00:15:58,280 --> 00:16:00,880 Speaker 1: David Saint, Mom, can I get ride my bi or Ken? 232 00:16:00,960 --> 00:16:03,040 Speaker 1: Can't we come over? We go ride our bikes and 233 00:16:03,080 --> 00:16:06,920 Speaker 1: I'm fine. You don't expect to hear shots ring out 234 00:16:07,560 --> 00:16:11,720 Speaker 1: and then the friends end up in a closet. She's 235 00:16:11,760 --> 00:16:14,400 Speaker 1: in a closet and they're in another room tied up, Karen, 236 00:16:14,600 --> 00:16:16,560 Speaker 1: and you never hear anything from police. I mean, the 237 00:16:16,640 --> 00:16:20,200 Speaker 1: story just from the beginning just had too many holes. 238 00:16:20,760 --> 00:16:23,680 Speaker 1: She's sitting there waiting for a beautiful daughter to come 239 00:16:23,720 --> 00:16:28,360 Speaker 1: back home, worried because she did hear loud noises. Never 240 00:16:28,680 --> 00:16:31,280 Speaker 1: do police knock on her door to tell her something happened. 241 00:16:32,280 --> 00:16:37,760 Speaker 1: Someone else told her, supposed friend told her. I really, Oh, 242 00:16:38,280 --> 00:16:43,240 Speaker 1: that's an important fact, Cheryl McCollum. When a friend knows 243 00:16:43,360 --> 00:16:46,480 Speaker 1: your daughter has been killed before the cops know, there's 244 00:16:46,480 --> 00:16:50,040 Speaker 1: something way wrong with that scenario, with that timeline, way in, 245 00:16:50,120 --> 00:16:53,160 Speaker 1: Cheryl McCollum. There is something all with that townline. The 246 00:16:53,280 --> 00:16:56,000 Speaker 1: friend did not even live in so mountains of town, 247 00:16:56,040 --> 00:17:00,120 Speaker 1: but he was in the vicinity, which is questionable, and 248 00:17:00,320 --> 00:17:04,400 Speaker 1: he knew that Honey had been shot. He told her specifically, 249 00:17:04,880 --> 00:17:07,680 Speaker 1: and at this point the police had not even a 250 00:17:07,760 --> 00:17:09,760 Speaker 1: difficult Well to me, that makes him a witness or 251 00:17:09,760 --> 00:17:13,480 Speaker 1: a suspect. Right there, somebody comes to your door before 252 00:17:13,520 --> 00:17:16,760 Speaker 1: police even know what happened. The word hasn't gotten around 253 00:17:16,760 --> 00:17:20,919 Speaker 1: the neighborhood. And there, Oh yeah, ma'am, Honey has been shot. 254 00:17:21,480 --> 00:17:24,520 Speaker 1: I mean to you, Floram alone. Do you recall when 255 00:17:24,760 --> 00:17:27,879 Speaker 1: that happened, when the friend came to the door and 256 00:17:27,920 --> 00:17:30,880 Speaker 1: told you Honey had been shot. He came to the door, 257 00:17:30,920 --> 00:17:33,560 Speaker 1: but the police is already at the apartment. But the 258 00:17:33,600 --> 00:17:37,720 Speaker 1: police never told me who it was. But I'm guessing 259 00:17:37,880 --> 00:17:41,480 Speaker 1: that the people that was in the apartment told him 260 00:17:41,520 --> 00:17:44,520 Speaker 1: it was Honey because he came to the door and 261 00:17:44,640 --> 00:17:48,920 Speaker 1: he said, Honey's gone. I'm still very suspicious. Why would 262 00:17:48,960 --> 00:17:51,360 Speaker 1: he Why would the friends tell him and they don't 263 00:17:51,359 --> 00:17:54,159 Speaker 1: tell the police. Cassandra Kennedy is with me. This is 264 00:17:54,200 --> 00:17:58,480 Speaker 1: Honey Malone's sister, Cassandra. What do you remember of that night? 265 00:17:59,440 --> 00:18:02,680 Speaker 1: I ended up going to work that full day open 266 00:18:02,720 --> 00:18:05,520 Speaker 1: a close at them all, and when I got back, 267 00:18:05,800 --> 00:18:09,239 Speaker 1: jumped in a shower as usual. Mom called me. It 268 00:18:09,359 --> 00:18:14,200 Speaker 1: may have been ten thirty, ten forty five, and she's 269 00:18:14,359 --> 00:18:17,320 Speaker 1: crying hysterically, and I'm like, oh my god, Mom, was wrong? 270 00:18:17,359 --> 00:18:21,040 Speaker 1: Was wrong? Was wrong? She's like, I think my worst 271 00:18:21,119 --> 00:18:24,119 Speaker 1: nightmare has happened. And I'm like, what, Just say what 272 00:18:24,160 --> 00:18:27,800 Speaker 1: it is. She was like, I think Vanessa was shot 273 00:18:27,920 --> 00:18:31,800 Speaker 1: or something. I don't even remember the exact words, but 274 00:18:31,880 --> 00:18:35,639 Speaker 1: I hung up so fast. I hung up so fast. 275 00:18:35,720 --> 00:18:38,440 Speaker 1: I sped to her house. It's like a thirty minute drive. 276 00:18:38,480 --> 00:18:43,400 Speaker 1: It probably took twenty. And I sat with my mom 277 00:18:43,640 --> 00:18:48,399 Speaker 1: until I got there, maybe at eleven thirty. We didn't 278 00:18:48,440 --> 00:18:50,720 Speaker 1: find out. They didn't confirm to us that it was 279 00:18:50,760 --> 00:18:54,440 Speaker 1: two fifty at two fifteen, that it was Vanessa. So 280 00:18:54,520 --> 00:19:02,199 Speaker 1: it was a torturous timeline from that shot to us 281 00:19:02,240 --> 00:19:07,000 Speaker 1: find an out. It was Vanessa, it was it was unbelievable, 282 00:19:07,440 --> 00:19:10,719 Speaker 1: you know. To Wendy Patrick, California prosecutor, author of Red 283 00:19:10,960 --> 00:19:16,560 Speaker 1: Flags on Amazon, Wendy, it's interesting to me, and I've 284 00:19:16,600 --> 00:19:19,640 Speaker 1: heard this from so many victims, and I guess looking back, 285 00:19:19,640 --> 00:19:25,159 Speaker 1: I experienced it myself and still do. When regular people 286 00:19:25,440 --> 00:19:29,320 Speaker 1: find out someone in your family has been murdered, they 287 00:19:29,400 --> 00:19:35,000 Speaker 1: think somehow that that reflects on you, that it would 288 00:19:35,000 --> 00:19:39,120 Speaker 1: never happen to them, that you're somehow of a lower 289 00:19:39,160 --> 00:19:43,640 Speaker 1: class because your crime victim. You just have a certain stigma. 290 00:19:43,680 --> 00:19:45,400 Speaker 1: I can't really put my finger on it. I don't 291 00:19:45,440 --> 00:19:48,000 Speaker 1: know the right word to say it, but I remember 292 00:19:48,000 --> 00:19:51,160 Speaker 1: speaking with Chucky Mak's mom after her Chucky had been murdered, 293 00:19:52,640 --> 00:19:56,320 Speaker 1: and she said people would say things like, well, a 294 00:19:56,400 --> 00:19:58,280 Speaker 1: good mom wouldn't have let him go ride his bike. 295 00:19:58,840 --> 00:20:02,000 Speaker 1: They somehow treat you different, as if it could never 296 00:20:02,080 --> 00:20:06,440 Speaker 1: happen to them, and somehow, because you're you, it happened 297 00:20:06,480 --> 00:20:09,480 Speaker 1: to you. Have you ever, I can't describe it, Wendy, 298 00:20:09,520 --> 00:20:12,480 Speaker 1: what is that? Yeah? You know, Nancy, I've experienced it 299 00:20:12,520 --> 00:20:14,560 Speaker 1: as well, and It's one of those things that unless 300 00:20:14,560 --> 00:20:17,800 Speaker 1: you're actually in the scenario, it's really hard to put 301 00:20:17,840 --> 00:20:20,840 Speaker 1: into words. I know our psychology guests probably can probably 302 00:20:20,840 --> 00:20:24,120 Speaker 1: do it very well also, but when it actually happens 303 00:20:24,160 --> 00:20:27,320 Speaker 1: to you, it's not fair. It's like people don't know 304 00:20:27,359 --> 00:20:29,800 Speaker 1: what to say, and so it's almost like they assume 305 00:20:29,920 --> 00:20:33,280 Speaker 1: the worst and they wonder some kind of guilt by association. 306 00:20:33,320 --> 00:20:36,320 Speaker 1: And we're talking about crime victims, and I mean, I've 307 00:20:36,359 --> 00:20:39,720 Speaker 1: been listening and watching. I know more about Honey than 308 00:20:39,800 --> 00:20:43,240 Speaker 1: I think many of our listeners because I've spent so 309 00:20:43,320 --> 00:20:45,879 Speaker 1: much time actually learning about her as a person and 310 00:20:46,000 --> 00:20:49,960 Speaker 1: the loving family she comes from, and it is unimaginable 311 00:20:49,960 --> 00:20:53,840 Speaker 1: that they've had to be retraumatized, as you mentioned Nancy 312 00:20:54,320 --> 00:20:58,320 Speaker 1: simply by virtue of having a beloved daughter be the 313 00:20:58,400 --> 00:21:01,080 Speaker 1: victim of this type of crime. And I joined many 314 00:21:01,119 --> 00:21:03,680 Speaker 1: of our listeners and viewers across the world and being 315 00:21:03,720 --> 00:21:07,080 Speaker 1: just so thankful that there's finally been an arrest made. 316 00:21:07,359 --> 00:21:10,119 Speaker 1: We can't bring back Honey, but maybe we can bring 317 00:21:10,240 --> 00:21:14,719 Speaker 1: finally the adjuster, Yeah, to justice. I want to cut 318 00:21:14,800 --> 00:21:18,200 Speaker 1: up to what you were saying about her family, Miss Malone. 319 00:21:18,280 --> 00:21:21,040 Speaker 1: How many children do you have I have the two girls, 320 00:21:21,560 --> 00:21:25,719 Speaker 1: and both of them, which is really perfect from a parents' 321 00:21:25,760 --> 00:21:29,919 Speaker 1: point of view, got through school, went out and got jobs. 322 00:21:30,359 --> 00:21:34,760 Speaker 1: They're physically beautiful. You live in a nice apartment area. 323 00:21:35,160 --> 00:21:38,360 Speaker 1: It's not like it's a high crime area. Nothing like that. 324 00:21:49,680 --> 00:21:55,720 Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, Guys, we are talking about 325 00:21:55,800 --> 00:22:00,240 Speaker 1: the sudden death of Honey Malone, murdered an eighteen year 326 00:22:00,280 --> 00:22:05,720 Speaker 1: old girl who just went outside in her condo complex. 327 00:22:05,840 --> 00:22:09,960 Speaker 1: That apartment's a condo complex, and the next thing you know, Mom, 328 00:22:10,000 --> 00:22:12,520 Speaker 1: here's a knock knock at the door and finds out 329 00:22:12,680 --> 00:22:20,359 Speaker 1: her teen girl who has never been in trouble at all, beautiful, responsible, educated, 330 00:22:20,640 --> 00:22:26,040 Speaker 1: everything is dead. To doctor Bethany Marshall, psychoanalyst joining us 331 00:22:26,080 --> 00:22:29,720 Speaker 1: out of Beverly Heels, what is that stigma that crime victims' 332 00:22:29,760 --> 00:22:34,320 Speaker 1: families bear, like somehow you're in a rotten class of 333 00:22:34,400 --> 00:22:38,320 Speaker 1: people because you're hanging around thugs and criminals. That's not 334 00:22:38,480 --> 00:22:42,200 Speaker 1: what happens, Nancy, It's not what happened at all. I 335 00:22:42,240 --> 00:22:45,520 Speaker 1: was thinking, actually beyond the stigma when you were talking 336 00:22:45,560 --> 00:22:48,560 Speaker 1: about this, to the fact that when you are a 337 00:22:48,640 --> 00:22:51,320 Speaker 1: parent and you know, because you've had the twins and 338 00:22:51,359 --> 00:22:56,679 Speaker 1: they're almost thirteen years old. Your primary job is to 339 00:22:56,760 --> 00:23:00,640 Speaker 1: keep your children safe, right, that is your job. Of course, 340 00:23:00,640 --> 00:23:04,119 Speaker 1: you're going to educate them, nurture them, feed them, you know, 341 00:23:04,640 --> 00:23:07,679 Speaker 1: provide everything for them so they have a great life. 342 00:23:07,680 --> 00:23:10,200 Speaker 1: But do you remember when those twins were little, if 343 00:23:10,200 --> 00:23:13,920 Speaker 1: they so much as scraped a knee, you would feel guilty, 344 00:23:14,080 --> 00:23:17,440 Speaker 1: like you caused it to happen. Or if they fell over, 345 00:23:17,560 --> 00:23:20,240 Speaker 1: you would think, oh, I'm a bad mom. We call 346 00:23:20,320 --> 00:23:24,080 Speaker 1: it omnipotent guilt, the belief that you're all powerful and 347 00:23:24,119 --> 00:23:27,040 Speaker 1: therefore any bad thing that happens to your child is 348 00:23:27,080 --> 00:23:29,359 Speaker 1: all your fault. Jathane, can I tell you a little 349 00:23:29,480 --> 00:23:34,160 Speaker 1: known story. I was in CNN Center. The twins were 350 00:23:34,200 --> 00:23:36,679 Speaker 1: with me. We're about to go to air. I had 351 00:23:36,800 --> 00:23:40,520 Speaker 1: left something in my office. I handed the twin to 352 00:23:40,640 --> 00:23:44,800 Speaker 1: a producer, a female producer. Both of them. One was 353 00:23:44,840 --> 00:23:47,400 Speaker 1: sitting on the floor plight, the other I was holding. 354 00:23:47,680 --> 00:23:51,920 Speaker 1: I gave it was John David to her. I ran 355 00:23:52,080 --> 00:23:56,320 Speaker 1: to my office. I said, be careful with the water bottle, 356 00:23:56,960 --> 00:24:01,480 Speaker 1: don't let them get near the cat in to my office. 357 00:24:01,560 --> 00:24:05,480 Speaker 1: I came back and guess what. John David had swallowed 358 00:24:05,840 --> 00:24:10,040 Speaker 1: the water cat and all stuff right there. You know, 359 00:24:10,520 --> 00:24:12,960 Speaker 1: Oh my God reached my hand down in his mouth 360 00:24:13,280 --> 00:24:17,720 Speaker 1: and fished it out immediately he couldn't breathe. Long story short, 361 00:24:17,760 --> 00:24:21,080 Speaker 1: I still think about that today. It's traumatic this day, 362 00:24:21,160 --> 00:24:23,920 Speaker 1: even though he is twelve. When I give him a drink, 363 00:24:23,960 --> 00:24:27,199 Speaker 1: I hould a cat. Yes, I still blame myself. And 364 00:24:27,280 --> 00:24:30,280 Speaker 1: can you imagine what Honey's mom has been thrown? So, Nancy, 365 00:24:30,280 --> 00:24:32,600 Speaker 1: I don't want to betray your confidentiality, so I won't 366 00:24:32,600 --> 00:24:35,920 Speaker 1: tell you the specifics. But right after the twins were born, 367 00:24:36,080 --> 00:24:38,399 Speaker 1: I remember you pulled me aside on set and you 368 00:24:38,520 --> 00:24:42,119 Speaker 1: told me you had all these fears of bad things 369 00:24:42,160 --> 00:24:45,480 Speaker 1: happening to them. And I'll never forget the stories you 370 00:24:45,560 --> 00:24:49,600 Speaker 1: told me. As if again, the smallest little thing would 371 00:24:49,640 --> 00:24:54,679 Speaker 1: be your fault. So imagine you give your child permission 372 00:24:54,840 --> 00:24:56,800 Speaker 1: to go visit a friend's house, or go for a 373 00:24:56,880 --> 00:25:01,160 Speaker 1: walk or something to nine and then they're murder? How 374 00:25:01,280 --> 00:25:07,560 Speaker 1: did that disrupt the very fabric of her psyche of parenthood? 375 00:25:07,680 --> 00:25:10,720 Speaker 1: And speaking of trauma, you know, trauma is when there's 376 00:25:10,720 --> 00:25:17,119 Speaker 1: a sudden, unparticipated, horrible event for which there's no prior learning, 377 00:25:17,200 --> 00:25:21,639 Speaker 1: meaning nothing in your life has prepared you for this. Nothing, nothing, 378 00:25:21,920 --> 00:25:25,440 Speaker 1: nothing has thought you had a cope, Well, brace yourself. 379 00:25:25,480 --> 00:25:27,640 Speaker 1: I hope everybody's sitting down for this. Take a listen 380 00:25:27,640 --> 00:25:30,840 Speaker 1: to our friends. Julia Reynolds at Fox five News. I'll 381 00:25:30,880 --> 00:25:36,080 Speaker 1: do whatever it takes because she is my baby. Floram 382 00:25:36,119 --> 00:25:39,560 Speaker 1: Malone says she's offering a reward for information about her 383 00:25:39,640 --> 00:25:44,240 Speaker 1: daughter's murder. She's only eighteen years old. Head dreams she 384 00:25:44,359 --> 00:25:47,160 Speaker 1: had a family who loved her, friends who loved her. 385 00:25:47,160 --> 00:25:50,959 Speaker 1: Eighteen year old Vanessa Malone, called Honey by family and friends, 386 00:25:51,359 --> 00:25:54,920 Speaker 1: was shot several times. After police day she interrupted an 387 00:25:55,000 --> 00:25:59,760 Speaker 1: armed robbery at this apartment complex. It happened seventeen days ago. 388 00:26:00,080 --> 00:26:02,359 Speaker 1: This homicide is our top priority in the office right now. 389 00:26:02,400 --> 00:26:06,160 Speaker 1: We're working in at every different angle possible. We really 390 00:26:06,200 --> 00:26:09,359 Speaker 1: need help from the community. Detective Lynn Schuller says, Honey 391 00:26:09,400 --> 00:26:12,879 Speaker 1: Malone walked in on four to six men who tied 392 00:26:12,960 --> 00:26:16,880 Speaker 1: up three people inside and were armed with semi automatic weapons. 393 00:26:17,080 --> 00:26:19,359 Speaker 1: And the three victims that we had tied up in 394 00:26:19,400 --> 00:26:22,000 Speaker 1: the bathroom all heard her come in and then they 395 00:26:22,000 --> 00:26:24,520 Speaker 1: heard the shots. So it appears that she was just 396 00:26:24,560 --> 00:26:27,119 Speaker 1: at the wrong place at the wrong time, wrong place, 397 00:26:27,160 --> 00:26:29,480 Speaker 1: wrong time. How many times have we heard that, but 398 00:26:29,640 --> 00:26:36,240 Speaker 1: then everything went silent. Any neighbors or actors or players 399 00:26:36,320 --> 00:26:40,520 Speaker 1: or witnesses afraid they would be killed two if they 400 00:26:40,640 --> 00:26:43,639 Speaker 1: came forward. Take a listen to Fox five. Well, police 401 00:26:43,680 --> 00:26:46,680 Speaker 1: are following leads. They're not sure they will pan out 402 00:26:47,160 --> 00:26:49,600 Speaker 1: and say this case may hinge on people in the 403 00:26:49,600 --> 00:26:53,640 Speaker 1: community calling in anonymously. People over there know what happened. 404 00:26:54,000 --> 00:26:56,440 Speaker 1: We just need somebody to come forward and let us know. 405 00:26:57,400 --> 00:26:59,760 Speaker 1: Pep down. They have to have a heart someplace. They 406 00:27:00,040 --> 00:27:02,840 Speaker 1: have to not think that it is right for these 407 00:27:02,840 --> 00:27:05,280 Speaker 1: people to be out on the street thinking that they 408 00:27:05,280 --> 00:27:07,720 Speaker 1: can just have fun and play their video games and 409 00:27:07,800 --> 00:27:11,600 Speaker 1: go hang out at the mall. Honey Malone's friends are 410 00:27:11,760 --> 00:27:15,560 Speaker 1: also seeking justice and are continuing their social media campaign 411 00:27:15,640 --> 00:27:20,480 Speaker 1: for information. Their Facebook page, called rip Honey, has generated 412 00:27:20,520 --> 00:27:23,720 Speaker 1: more than one hundred and twenty five thousand followers. But 413 00:27:23,840 --> 00:27:30,200 Speaker 1: the months pass and still no resolution. Honey's mother, Flora, 414 00:27:30,440 --> 00:27:34,160 Speaker 1: seeks out help from the Cold Case Research Institute Cheryl McCollough. 415 00:27:34,440 --> 00:27:36,840 Speaker 1: Take a listen to our friend Anna Garcia, a Crime 416 00:27:36,880 --> 00:27:42,000 Speaker 1: Watch Daily. Cops believe Honey stumbled upon an armed robbery. 417 00:27:42,080 --> 00:27:44,919 Speaker 1: I believe it was a home invasion robbery with the 418 00:27:44,960 --> 00:27:47,080 Speaker 1: main purpose to steal the drugs and the money out 419 00:27:47,080 --> 00:27:54,640 Speaker 1: of that apartment. Invasion maybe an understatement. Honey's friends who 420 00:27:54,640 --> 00:27:57,879 Speaker 1: were in the apartment told cops between three and six 421 00:27:57,920 --> 00:28:01,160 Speaker 1: men with guns kicked down the door. They claimed they 422 00:28:01,160 --> 00:28:03,520 Speaker 1: were beaten and tied up with a belt in the 423 00:28:03,600 --> 00:28:07,280 Speaker 1: cord of an electric razor and herded into the shower, 424 00:28:07,680 --> 00:28:13,480 Speaker 1: and then gunshots pierced the night. Honey was shot once 425 00:28:13,520 --> 00:28:16,719 Speaker 1: at the back, a second shot to the chest, the 426 00:28:16,800 --> 00:28:21,480 Speaker 1: bullet plunging straight through her heart while the robbers were 427 00:28:21,640 --> 00:28:25,560 Speaker 1: ransacked in the apartment. I believe Honey walked in and 428 00:28:25,680 --> 00:28:27,720 Speaker 1: when she turned to leave, that's when she was shot. 429 00:28:27,720 --> 00:28:30,720 Speaker 1: When she turned to leave. Yes, so you think she 430 00:28:30,800 --> 00:28:33,040 Speaker 1: was trying to get out of there when she was shot, 431 00:28:33,119 --> 00:28:36,639 Speaker 1: Yes to Cheryl mccollin, director Cold Case Research Institute for 432 00:28:36,680 --> 00:28:41,160 Speaker 1: insuc's expert tell me about the scene. Tell me, because 433 00:28:41,160 --> 00:28:44,120 Speaker 1: I find it really hard to believe that three people 434 00:28:44,200 --> 00:28:48,760 Speaker 1: tied up in the bathtub know nothing, armed intruders nobody 435 00:28:48,800 --> 00:28:52,640 Speaker 1: can identify. Then Honey, who's just leaving her mom's condo 436 00:28:52,720 --> 00:28:54,600 Speaker 1: to go gousit her friend walks in the door as 437 00:28:54,640 --> 00:28:58,560 Speaker 1: she's gunned down what does the scene tell you? Cheryl McCall, 438 00:28:58,640 --> 00:29:00,600 Speaker 1: I'm a honey is shot in the living room of 439 00:29:00,680 --> 00:29:04,320 Speaker 1: a one bedroom apartment in the back, Nancy. She is 440 00:29:04,360 --> 00:29:08,520 Speaker 1: then drug through the apartment, leaving a trail of blood 441 00:29:08,600 --> 00:29:11,360 Speaker 1: where she is thrown in the closet of the master's 442 00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:16,360 Speaker 1: bedroom where she's shot. Wait wait, wait where based on 443 00:29:16,400 --> 00:29:18,720 Speaker 1: the trail of blood, where was she shot? Right by 444 00:29:18,720 --> 00:29:21,840 Speaker 1: the front door, trying to leave in the back? Okay, 445 00:29:21,880 --> 00:29:24,040 Speaker 1: so that's where the theory is coming from. That she 446 00:29:24,120 --> 00:29:27,880 Speaker 1: came in, she tried to leave, hence the shot in 447 00:29:27,960 --> 00:29:30,520 Speaker 1: the back, and that's where the blood trail starts. Got it, 448 00:29:30,600 --> 00:29:33,960 Speaker 1: go ahead. When she's in the closet, she has shot 449 00:29:34,040 --> 00:29:38,000 Speaker 1: a second time in the chest. Now to me, that 450 00:29:38,080 --> 00:29:41,200 Speaker 1: means they're making sure where she is not going to survive. 451 00:29:42,160 --> 00:29:45,800 Speaker 1: Then they steal her cell phone and leave the apartment, 452 00:29:46,200 --> 00:29:51,880 Speaker 1: leaving the two alleged victims caught up in the bathroom unharmed. 453 00:29:52,200 --> 00:29:54,800 Speaker 1: They weren't slapped, they weren't kicks, they weren't pumped, they 454 00:29:54,800 --> 00:29:57,840 Speaker 1: weren't even threatened. They were just put in the back room. Yeah, 455 00:29:57,880 --> 00:30:01,600 Speaker 1: I don't like it. Karen Career with Me, investigative reporter, 456 00:30:02,280 --> 00:30:06,200 Speaker 1: News anchor at CBS forty six Atlanta and host of 457 00:30:06,280 --> 00:30:10,680 Speaker 1: CSI Atlanta, which we're linking to at crime online dot com, 458 00:30:10,720 --> 00:30:13,800 Speaker 1: so you can find out about that as well. Karen Greer, 459 00:30:15,160 --> 00:30:18,640 Speaker 1: I don't get it. If they're masked, why did they 460 00:30:18,680 --> 00:30:22,760 Speaker 1: have to shoot Vanessa Honey Malone when the others were 461 00:30:22,800 --> 00:30:25,560 Speaker 1: just tied up and left in the bathroom. They saw 462 00:30:25,600 --> 00:30:28,640 Speaker 1: the same thing Honey did. So why did they live 463 00:30:29,160 --> 00:30:32,320 Speaker 1: and Honey had to be shot dead? Is there a 464 00:30:32,440 --> 00:30:37,280 Speaker 1: chance the one supposedly tied up in the bathroom or not? 465 00:30:37,880 --> 00:30:42,280 Speaker 1: I just heard that, Karen. Karen Greer says, supposedly tied up, 466 00:30:43,360 --> 00:30:46,760 Speaker 1: and yeah, it just does not make sense. They're three 467 00:30:46,920 --> 00:30:50,520 Speaker 1: to six, four to six. The numbers don't even add up. 468 00:30:50,680 --> 00:30:54,440 Speaker 1: Nothing about what was told the police is the same. 469 00:30:54,920 --> 00:30:58,240 Speaker 1: And to have these people tied up with I think 470 00:30:58,240 --> 00:31:01,160 Speaker 1: it was twist ties in one paw are a belt? 471 00:31:01,560 --> 00:31:06,160 Speaker 1: Um some kind of cable? My cat could get out 472 00:31:06,160 --> 00:31:10,719 Speaker 1: of a belt. Okay, tied up with a belt? I 473 00:31:10,800 --> 00:31:14,360 Speaker 1: am not abide why they lived, Karen Grier and Honey 474 00:31:14,440 --> 00:31:32,480 Speaker 1: had to be shot dead. Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. Guys, 475 00:31:32,480 --> 00:31:34,960 Speaker 1: we were talking about a sudden break in the case 476 00:31:35,080 --> 00:31:38,600 Speaker 1: in the murder of a beautiful young girl in Atlanta 477 00:31:38,760 --> 00:31:41,680 Speaker 1: native Honey Malone. Take a listen to our friend's crime watch. 478 00:31:41,760 --> 00:31:46,120 Speaker 1: Deli correspondent Anna Garcia Flora and honey sister Cassandra believe 479 00:31:46,240 --> 00:31:50,320 Speaker 1: Honey was lured to the apartment to silence her. Why 480 00:31:50,360 --> 00:31:53,920 Speaker 1: don't you believe that she walked into a robbery? I 481 00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:57,560 Speaker 1: believe that they thought she knew something or saw something 482 00:31:57,800 --> 00:32:00,800 Speaker 1: and was worried that she was gonna tell. She wouldn't 483 00:32:00,800 --> 00:32:03,880 Speaker 1: just walk into a kicked indoor to see what happened. 484 00:32:04,680 --> 00:32:08,880 Speaker 1: That's not her. So you think his whole home invasion 485 00:32:09,200 --> 00:32:12,880 Speaker 1: robbery theory is what I set up to make it 486 00:32:12,960 --> 00:32:16,760 Speaker 1: look like it was a robbery so they can get off. 487 00:32:17,360 --> 00:32:20,920 Speaker 1: One troubling question, why was Honey's cell phone found far 488 00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:25,000 Speaker 1: away from the murder scene. We tracked her cell phone 489 00:32:25,040 --> 00:32:29,840 Speaker 1: after the murder to a location about a half mile away, 490 00:32:30,200 --> 00:32:33,160 Speaker 1: where it stayed there until it died. So how did 491 00:32:33,200 --> 00:32:36,920 Speaker 1: Honey's cell phone end up half a mile away stolen 492 00:32:37,520 --> 00:32:40,080 Speaker 1: during the incident? Why would they take her cell phone? 493 00:32:40,200 --> 00:32:41,800 Speaker 1: They've already killed her. What do they need her cell 494 00:32:41,800 --> 00:32:45,720 Speaker 1: phone for? Thinking that maybe she could call for help? No, 495 00:32:45,880 --> 00:32:48,760 Speaker 1: they're just easy to resell on the street. But Honey's 496 00:32:48,800 --> 00:32:52,640 Speaker 1: family doesn't buy that explanation. I don't buy it either. 497 00:32:52,920 --> 00:32:56,160 Speaker 1: Karen Career, CBS forty six Atlanta and news anchor host 498 00:32:56,160 --> 00:33:00,360 Speaker 1: of c S I Atlanta. Karen, that was an excellent point. 499 00:33:00,800 --> 00:33:03,720 Speaker 1: This girl would never go into an apartment with the 500 00:33:03,840 --> 00:33:08,880 Speaker 1: door already kicked in, wouldn't happen. I think the people 501 00:33:08,920 --> 00:33:13,640 Speaker 1: in the bathtub are all lying about what happened, which 502 00:33:13,680 --> 00:33:17,960 Speaker 1: makes me wonder why why would they lie about it, 503 00:33:18,040 --> 00:33:21,800 Speaker 1: unless somehow they were part of something much more nefarious. 504 00:33:22,080 --> 00:33:25,360 Speaker 1: Karen Greer helped me understand the scenario. I know when 505 00:33:25,480 --> 00:33:29,920 Speaker 1: talking to Flora, I remember her saying Honey was tired, 506 00:33:30,040 --> 00:33:32,120 Speaker 1: she was going to lay down, she was resting in 507 00:33:32,160 --> 00:33:35,920 Speaker 1: her room. Then she got a phone call, then she said, Mom, 508 00:33:35,960 --> 00:33:40,080 Speaker 1: I'll be right back. So I believe that story that 509 00:33:40,280 --> 00:33:44,920 Speaker 1: she was lord there and once she got there, everyone 510 00:33:45,040 --> 00:33:48,400 Speaker 1: appeared to be against her. She was the one that 511 00:33:48,560 --> 00:33:52,440 Speaker 1: was glutally murdered, and then all of her supposed friends, 512 00:33:52,520 --> 00:33:57,240 Speaker 1: alleged friends, kind of turned I knew nothing and just 513 00:33:57,640 --> 00:34:02,440 Speaker 1: left her there to die. It's the worst story you 514 00:34:02,520 --> 00:34:06,120 Speaker 1: can ever amass. What could she possibly have seen? This 515 00:34:06,200 --> 00:34:10,520 Speaker 1: girl has never even been stopped as a juvenile for jaywalking. 516 00:34:10,600 --> 00:34:14,719 Speaker 1: For Pete's sake, she's every parent's dream as opposed to 517 00:34:14,920 --> 00:34:19,080 Speaker 1: a nightmare. You know, Cheryl McCollum, I tell my twins 518 00:34:19,280 --> 00:34:22,760 Speaker 1: all the time, listen, even if somebody at school, because 519 00:34:22,800 --> 00:34:25,600 Speaker 1: they're a students. I want that a Cheryl. I feel 520 00:34:25,600 --> 00:34:28,520 Speaker 1: like I deserve those a's as much tutoring as I do. 521 00:34:28,640 --> 00:34:31,280 Speaker 1: But I say, don't even let anybody look at your paper, 522 00:34:31,719 --> 00:34:34,840 Speaker 1: because if somebody cheats off you, you're going to be 523 00:34:34,920 --> 00:34:38,640 Speaker 1: the one they get kicked out. Both of you. You'll 524 00:34:38,719 --> 00:34:42,920 Speaker 1: boil in the same pot. In other words, your friends 525 00:34:42,960 --> 00:34:47,879 Speaker 1: that you make. This young girl, Vanessa Honey Malone, I 526 00:34:47,920 --> 00:34:51,160 Speaker 1: think went to go see friends and it turned They 527 00:34:51,200 --> 00:34:57,160 Speaker 1: all turned on her because they were part of something nefarious. Absolutely, 528 00:34:57,600 --> 00:35:00,279 Speaker 1: there's no doubt in my mind she was Luis there. 529 00:35:00,960 --> 00:35:06,080 Speaker 1: The only thing stolen from that apartment that night was 530 00:35:06,160 --> 00:35:10,640 Speaker 1: Honey's cell phone and her life. I want to go 531 00:35:10,719 --> 00:35:15,120 Speaker 1: back to Honey's mother, Flora Malone, and her sister, Cassandra Kennedy, 532 00:35:15,600 --> 00:35:20,560 Speaker 1: Miss Malone, and her whole life. Your daughter had never 533 00:35:21,000 --> 00:35:25,240 Speaker 1: once been in any trouble. She was a great student. 534 00:35:25,520 --> 00:35:29,320 Speaker 1: She had a job. I don't want to hear their names. 535 00:35:29,640 --> 00:35:34,480 Speaker 1: But who were these friends? Were they school friends, neighborhood friends? 536 00:35:34,560 --> 00:35:37,800 Speaker 1: Who were they? Well, I've never met any of them, 537 00:35:38,320 --> 00:35:43,080 Speaker 1: but I'm I'm hearing that she liked to go over 538 00:35:43,120 --> 00:35:46,960 Speaker 1: there and play cards and listen to music and hang 539 00:35:47,000 --> 00:35:50,520 Speaker 1: out because she considered them friends. You know what's interesting 540 00:35:50,920 --> 00:35:54,759 Speaker 1: to Wendy Patrick, how many times did I prosecute a 541 00:35:54,800 --> 00:35:58,480 Speaker 1: case whether there be four teens and a stolen car, 542 00:35:58,840 --> 00:36:01,080 Speaker 1: and that I'll say it's not my car, and then 543 00:36:01,120 --> 00:36:03,479 Speaker 1: the driver it would be their car, and the other 544 00:36:03,560 --> 00:36:07,880 Speaker 1: teams are caught in the same mess and they all 545 00:36:08,040 --> 00:36:13,200 Speaker 1: get charged. Who you hang out with, it's not your fault. 546 00:36:13,239 --> 00:36:15,920 Speaker 1: You don't always know who you're hanging out with, Wendy. 547 00:36:16,440 --> 00:36:18,680 Speaker 1: It's so true. It's why we tell our kids, show 548 00:36:18,680 --> 00:36:21,040 Speaker 1: me your friends, and I'll show you your future. We 549 00:36:21,160 --> 00:36:24,360 Speaker 1: really are guilty by association in the eyes sometimes of 550 00:36:24,440 --> 00:36:27,319 Speaker 1: law enforcement of the community. And that is why when 551 00:36:27,320 --> 00:36:30,160 Speaker 1: we're warming up a cold case like this, talking about 552 00:36:30,239 --> 00:36:33,239 Speaker 1: who is socializing with who, it is imperative. And I'm 553 00:36:33,280 --> 00:36:36,520 Speaker 1: so pleased that you that honey had such a loving 554 00:36:36,640 --> 00:36:39,479 Speaker 1: mother and sister that are able to show us who 555 00:36:39,560 --> 00:36:43,279 Speaker 1: she really was, so we can actually know that. You know, 556 00:36:43,520 --> 00:36:47,440 Speaker 1: Wendy Patrick, California prosecutor and author. Even when John David 557 00:36:47,560 --> 00:36:50,520 Speaker 1: is playing his games online, I get right up in 558 00:36:50,560 --> 00:36:54,120 Speaker 1: the picture and see who he's on with. If there's 559 00:36:54,160 --> 00:36:56,319 Speaker 1: not a pitch, I'm like, who is that? Who is that? 560 00:36:56,600 --> 00:36:59,080 Speaker 1: Let me hear their voice. I know it drives him crazy, 561 00:36:59,120 --> 00:37:03,360 Speaker 1: but I want to know this girl had never once 562 00:37:03,600 --> 00:37:07,799 Speaker 1: been in trouble. To Cheryl McCollum, I'm not buying anything 563 00:37:08,239 --> 00:37:10,960 Speaker 1: they're saying about the crime scene. I don't think the 564 00:37:11,000 --> 00:37:15,160 Speaker 1: people were tied up and put in the bathtub. I think, 565 00:37:15,239 --> 00:37:18,240 Speaker 1: like you and Karen Greer do, that she was lured 566 00:37:18,280 --> 00:37:23,319 Speaker 1: there because somehow she had seen or knew something had 567 00:37:23,400 --> 00:37:27,040 Speaker 1: gone on, as she had to be gotten rid of 568 00:37:27,160 --> 00:37:31,080 Speaker 1: taking listen guys. In the last hours, a major break 569 00:37:31,400 --> 00:37:34,440 Speaker 1: in the case and arrest has been made in the 570 00:37:34,520 --> 00:37:38,360 Speaker 1: murder of Honey Malone. This good news comes with mixed 571 00:37:38,360 --> 00:37:41,680 Speaker 1: emotions for Honey's family. They spoke exclusively to me about 572 00:37:41,719 --> 00:37:44,719 Speaker 1: how they're dealing with all of this. I want to 573 00:37:44,760 --> 00:37:48,640 Speaker 1: wake up and hear the phone ringing. Detective called me 574 00:37:48,640 --> 00:37:51,560 Speaker 1: in and say we got him, We got him. Flora 575 00:37:51,600 --> 00:37:54,920 Speaker 1: Malone got that call just three months after this interview, 576 00:37:55,160 --> 00:37:57,960 Speaker 1: to Cap County Police making an arrest in the twenty 577 00:37:58,000 --> 00:38:01,240 Speaker 1: twelve murder of her eighteen year old daughter, Vanessa Honey 578 00:38:01,280 --> 00:38:04,560 Speaker 1: Malone to a shot to death inside her friend's Stone 579 00:38:04,560 --> 00:38:08,360 Speaker 1: Mountain apartment. They drug a trail of blood of my 580 00:38:08,440 --> 00:38:11,400 Speaker 1: sister on the carpet and put her in the closet. 581 00:38:11,880 --> 00:38:16,600 Speaker 1: After years of frustration and grief, justice finally feels insight 582 00:38:16,719 --> 00:38:21,080 Speaker 1: for Flora and her daughter. Cassandra. Just grateful that I'm 583 00:38:21,120 --> 00:38:24,080 Speaker 1: alive to see this coming, because I'm worried about that sometimes. 584 00:38:24,120 --> 00:38:26,640 Speaker 1: The Cap County Police arresting thirty five year old Donald 585 00:38:26,719 --> 00:38:29,719 Speaker 1: Lash Friday at his mother's home in Stone Mountain. We 586 00:38:29,800 --> 00:38:32,920 Speaker 1: do believe that multiple people are responsible for this crime, 587 00:38:33,120 --> 00:38:37,800 Speaker 1: and the investigation is ongoing. We hope more arrests will follow. 588 00:38:38,239 --> 00:38:41,480 Speaker 1: You are hearing the police speaking out on the arrest 589 00:38:41,800 --> 00:38:45,280 Speaker 1: that has just happened a thirty five year old Donald 590 00:38:45,640 --> 00:38:49,840 Speaker 1: Ash to Karen Greer, CBS forty six, Atlanta anchor and 591 00:38:50,040 --> 00:38:55,640 Speaker 1: host of CSI Atlanta podcast, Karen Greer, who is this guy, 592 00:38:55,840 --> 00:38:58,799 Speaker 1: thirty five year old Donald Ash? What did he have 593 00:38:58,960 --> 00:39:03,600 Speaker 1: to do with this young girl? Interesting that he seemed 594 00:39:03,600 --> 00:39:10,560 Speaker 1: to know everybody involved in all of this. Interesting note, 595 00:39:11,719 --> 00:39:17,200 Speaker 1: Flora and Cassandra were no strangers to this gentleman, so 596 00:39:18,200 --> 00:39:21,760 Speaker 1: this could be very interesting to see if in fact 597 00:39:21,800 --> 00:39:25,320 Speaker 1: he's gonna turn into the other people who might have 598 00:39:25,400 --> 00:39:28,920 Speaker 1: been in that apartment or who were in that apartment 599 00:39:29,480 --> 00:39:33,280 Speaker 1: when he was there when Honey was killed. Flora Malone, 600 00:39:33,400 --> 00:39:37,640 Speaker 1: do you know Donald ashe he's never agreed to meet 601 00:39:37,640 --> 00:39:40,680 Speaker 1: with us. Me and Cassandra had tried several times over 602 00:39:40,719 --> 00:39:44,560 Speaker 1: the years. Cassandra, did you know this guy before Honey 603 00:39:44,640 --> 00:39:47,719 Speaker 1: was killed? No, okay, so you did not know him. 604 00:39:47,800 --> 00:39:51,160 Speaker 1: Cheryl McCollum, who is this guy? And can't we make 605 00:39:51,239 --> 00:39:54,640 Speaker 1: him roll over on the everybody else in that apartment? Well, 606 00:39:54,640 --> 00:39:57,280 Speaker 1: they knew him by a nickname, so he went by Mercy, 607 00:39:57,320 --> 00:40:00,840 Speaker 1: so they knew of him, and he was the apartment 608 00:40:00,920 --> 00:40:03,120 Speaker 1: earlier in the day, but he left before law enforce 609 00:40:03,200 --> 00:40:06,120 Speaker 1: has showed up. The person he was meeting at the apartment. 610 00:40:06,239 --> 00:40:08,640 Speaker 1: They also are aware of and know of this person 611 00:40:09,080 --> 00:40:12,960 Speaker 1: and he goes by Yaps. So yes, absolutely law enforcement 612 00:40:12,960 --> 00:40:15,959 Speaker 1: has got to go back and reinterview these people. And 613 00:40:16,200 --> 00:40:18,680 Speaker 1: I've made it very very clear. The first one that 614 00:40:18,760 --> 00:40:22,840 Speaker 1: talks gets the deal. So somebody needs a role on somebody. Oh, 615 00:40:22,880 --> 00:40:28,320 Speaker 1: they will, they will. To Flora Malone and Cassanga Kennedy, 616 00:40:28,760 --> 00:40:32,440 Speaker 1: I'm so relieved that at least one arrest has been made. 617 00:40:33,160 --> 00:40:37,960 Speaker 1: Flora Malone, Honey's mother, what is your message to everybody 618 00:40:38,000 --> 00:40:40,920 Speaker 1: else that was in that apartment and had anything to 619 00:40:41,000 --> 00:40:44,560 Speaker 1: do with your daughter's death. My advice to anybody who 620 00:40:44,640 --> 00:40:48,120 Speaker 1: even knows what happened is go ahead and say no. 621 00:40:49,400 --> 00:40:54,000 Speaker 1: Because I don't know who else is going to be 622 00:40:54,080 --> 00:40:57,400 Speaker 1: charged or what the church will be, but I know 623 00:40:57,520 --> 00:41:00,879 Speaker 1: they would feel better if they could get this off 624 00:41:00,920 --> 00:41:05,000 Speaker 1: their chest. They have to to Cheryl McCollum direct to 625 00:41:05,000 --> 00:41:10,400 Speaker 1: Cold Case Research Institute. For any people that have information 626 00:41:10,480 --> 00:41:13,680 Speaker 1: that are willing to come forward, where can they call? 627 00:41:14,239 --> 00:41:18,400 Speaker 1: They need to call the Cab County Police, or if 628 00:41:18,400 --> 00:41:20,560 Speaker 1: they don't want to call the police, they can certainly 629 00:41:20,600 --> 00:41:25,040 Speaker 1: call you know, channel forty six CBS. They can call 630 00:41:25,080 --> 00:41:28,799 Speaker 1: Atlanta Crime Stoppers. There's a plethora of people they can 631 00:41:28,800 --> 00:41:32,600 Speaker 1: call with information and it's imperative they do so. They 632 00:41:32,600 --> 00:41:36,280 Speaker 1: can even leave a message on honey Facebook page. Karen Greer, 633 00:41:36,480 --> 00:41:39,760 Speaker 1: tell me the number that you guys have that anyone 634 00:41:39,800 --> 00:41:43,680 Speaker 1: with information can dial four zero four three two seven 635 00:41:44,239 --> 00:41:49,440 Speaker 1: three thousand four zero four three two seven three thousand, 636 00:41:49,880 --> 00:41:55,000 Speaker 1: and you can even send us an email at CBS 637 00:41:55,080 --> 00:41:59,920 Speaker 1: Atlanta forty six dot com. We do get a lot 638 00:41:59,920 --> 00:42:02,319 Speaker 1: of anonymous tips, and I will say Sherlin and I 639 00:42:02,320 --> 00:42:05,759 Speaker 1: have been looking through some tips that people have been 640 00:42:05,800 --> 00:42:09,439 Speaker 1: sending us for weeks, so we try to make sure 641 00:42:09,480 --> 00:42:12,120 Speaker 1: that law enforcement gets a hold of those and that 642 00:42:12,320 --> 00:42:16,000 Speaker 1: any leads that we may get are followed. For right now, 643 00:42:16,320 --> 00:42:19,800 Speaker 1: a major break in the murder of this eighteen year 644 00:42:19,840 --> 00:42:24,000 Speaker 1: old girl scrubbed in Sunshine Vanessa Honey Malone. But it's 645 00:42:24,160 --> 00:42:29,840 Speaker 1: ain't over yet. Nancy Grace Crime Story, signing off Goodbye friend,