1 00:00:11,680 --> 00:00:14,840 Speaker 1: All right, so enter Housewives. When I went on Housewives, 2 00:00:15,200 --> 00:00:17,439 Speaker 1: they didn't want me because I had been on a 3 00:00:17,480 --> 00:00:21,479 Speaker 1: reality show before. It wasn't actress era. After me and 4 00:00:21,560 --> 00:00:26,800 Speaker 1: after my success, a different group was attracted of women 5 00:00:26,840 --> 00:00:29,760 Speaker 1: who wanted to use it to promote what they were 6 00:00:29,760 --> 00:00:32,640 Speaker 1: doing and monetize and it was just a different medium. 7 00:00:33,360 --> 00:00:37,280 Speaker 1: And Sarna and the other girl Eileen, and Kyle and 8 00:00:38,000 --> 00:00:41,279 Speaker 1: Garcel and then girls on Atlanta like actresses were now 9 00:00:41,360 --> 00:00:44,879 Speaker 1: on the show. But I don't think any no, I 10 00:00:44,960 --> 00:00:49,040 Speaker 1: know that none of the actresses were as successful as 11 00:00:49,080 --> 00:00:52,640 Speaker 1: you as an actress. Then coming into reality it seemed 12 00:00:52,720 --> 00:00:55,760 Speaker 1: like all the actresses, Okay and Richards, all the actresses 13 00:00:55,760 --> 00:00:58,160 Speaker 1: that came hadn't made it as an actress, so then 14 00:00:58,160 --> 00:01:01,280 Speaker 1: they were coming over to reality TV as their fame 15 00:01:02,200 --> 00:01:06,160 Speaker 1: success vehicle. So you're a different animal in this space 16 00:01:06,319 --> 00:01:10,080 Speaker 1: because you were very successful as an actress and then 17 00:01:10,120 --> 00:01:13,840 Speaker 1: you come into the Housewives, which is a questionable move 18 00:01:14,160 --> 00:01:18,280 Speaker 1: based on that. So what was that decision like and 19 00:01:18,400 --> 00:01:21,600 Speaker 1: what did it around you say, and what was dangled 20 00:01:21,600 --> 00:01:23,840 Speaker 1: in front of you by what I call the realm 21 00:01:24,160 --> 00:01:26,520 Speaker 1: to do it like this had to be an interesting decision. 22 00:01:27,080 --> 00:01:28,600 Speaker 1: Did you feel like you were at some low in 23 00:01:28,640 --> 00:01:29,560 Speaker 1: your career. 24 00:01:29,440 --> 00:01:32,600 Speaker 2: Like no. So Lisa Renna mentioned it to me a 25 00:01:32,680 --> 00:01:35,760 Speaker 2: few years prior to me being on the show, and 26 00:01:35,840 --> 00:01:38,800 Speaker 2: I said, there's no way in how right? And then 27 00:01:39,800 --> 00:01:43,280 Speaker 2: she and I talked and I thought, you know what, 28 00:01:43,400 --> 00:01:48,760 Speaker 2: maybe this could be fun. It's something different, and Lisa 29 00:01:48,840 --> 00:01:52,000 Speaker 2: seems to have a good time on it. And it's 30 00:01:52,000 --> 00:01:54,440 Speaker 2: funny because when I joined the show, I never thought 31 00:01:54,480 --> 00:01:57,880 Speaker 2: of it as work. I thought of it as filming 32 00:01:57,920 --> 00:02:02,360 Speaker 2: moments with I thought was a friend with friends. And 33 00:02:03,040 --> 00:02:05,360 Speaker 2: you know, I thought this could be fun, it's something different. 34 00:02:05,600 --> 00:02:07,080 Speaker 1: I was still like a documentary. 35 00:02:07,440 --> 00:02:09,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, I just thought, all this could be fun. And 36 00:02:09,840 --> 00:02:15,120 Speaker 2: whatever I didn't I did not. I was not Again, 37 00:02:15,160 --> 00:02:18,600 Speaker 2: I wasn't educated on that show too much either. I 38 00:02:18,639 --> 00:02:22,799 Speaker 2: didn't understand the whole process and everything, which is good 39 00:02:22,800 --> 00:02:25,400 Speaker 2: and bad. I went into it so naively. Even though 40 00:02:25,480 --> 00:02:28,880 Speaker 2: Lisa Renna says that she shared, she shared some stuff, 41 00:02:28,880 --> 00:02:29,720 Speaker 2: but not a lot. 42 00:02:30,080 --> 00:02:31,880 Speaker 1: No, and it couldn't have been a lot of money 43 00:02:32,240 --> 00:02:32,840 Speaker 1: at No. 44 00:02:32,840 --> 00:02:37,080 Speaker 2: No, you don't. You don't do the show for the money. 45 00:02:37,160 --> 00:02:39,440 Speaker 2: On the show, you don't get paid. 46 00:02:39,040 --> 00:02:42,000 Speaker 1: And when you don't start for the money, right, yeah. 47 00:02:42,120 --> 00:02:45,040 Speaker 2: Right, you get yeah, I meant the branding and stuff 48 00:02:45,080 --> 00:02:47,359 Speaker 2: like that that can come when you're on the show. 49 00:02:47,880 --> 00:02:51,640 Speaker 2: But I didn't do it because I couldn't pay the bills. 50 00:02:51,760 --> 00:02:53,959 Speaker 2: I did it because I thought this could be fun 51 00:02:54,000 --> 00:02:56,400 Speaker 2: and different and it's something I haven't done before. 52 00:02:56,639 --> 00:02:58,920 Speaker 1: So, first of all, and in the first you just like, 53 00:02:59,280 --> 00:03:03,320 Speaker 1: just like Kathy Hilton, just like Brandy Glanville, just like 54 00:03:03,919 --> 00:03:07,520 Speaker 1: Liam McSweeney, you came in and had an amazing first season, 55 00:03:07,600 --> 00:03:09,840 Speaker 1: meaning everybody loved you didn't, but that's what happens with 56 00:03:10,080 --> 00:03:13,000 Speaker 1: most of these people. You know, she's cool, she's different, 57 00:03:13,120 --> 00:03:15,680 Speaker 1: et cetera. And then the whole thing the wheels come 58 00:03:15,680 --> 00:03:18,960 Speaker 1: off of bag and there's a crash and burn. And 59 00:03:19,040 --> 00:03:22,240 Speaker 1: I loved how you came in dressing like a normal 60 00:03:22,280 --> 00:03:24,959 Speaker 1: person does when they go on a balcony to somebody 61 00:03:24,960 --> 00:03:27,520 Speaker 1: else's hotel room. And we're in a hotel right now, 62 00:03:27,520 --> 00:03:30,800 Speaker 1: we're like not wearing a ball when I saw you 63 00:03:30,840 --> 00:03:33,160 Speaker 1: in jeans, Yeah, you weren't wearing a ball gown to 64 00:03:33,200 --> 00:03:35,480 Speaker 1: go to someone else's room. And that show of all 65 00:03:35,760 --> 00:03:39,400 Speaker 1: Beverly Hills, it's like it's costumes at all times. And 66 00:03:39,440 --> 00:03:43,320 Speaker 1: I saw I thought she looks normal, but you didn't 67 00:03:43,360 --> 00:03:47,480 Speaker 1: look normal within that sphere, and you know, you were 68 00:03:47,520 --> 00:03:50,800 Speaker 1: dressed like a normal person, like it's a reality show 69 00:03:50,840 --> 00:03:51,640 Speaker 1: in theory. 70 00:03:51,600 --> 00:03:55,000 Speaker 2: That's what so yes, So when I met every all 71 00:03:55,000 --> 00:04:00,200 Speaker 2: the producers before I did the show, I went in 72 00:04:00,600 --> 00:04:05,000 Speaker 2: wearing jeans and a Guns and Roses T shirt and 73 00:04:05,840 --> 00:04:09,720 Speaker 2: I I did my hair makeup myself. I didn't have 74 00:04:09,720 --> 00:04:12,560 Speaker 2: a glam team, but I still looked, you know that 75 00:04:12,640 --> 00:04:15,920 Speaker 2: part put together ish. But I I said to them, 76 00:04:16,120 --> 00:04:22,440 Speaker 2: this is who I really am on the red carpet 77 00:04:22,440 --> 00:04:25,320 Speaker 2: and see I can be glammed up if I want to, 78 00:04:26,000 --> 00:04:30,919 Speaker 2: but if you want that, let me know, or do 79 00:04:30,960 --> 00:04:35,440 Speaker 2: you want if you want this? Then they were like, 80 00:04:35,480 --> 00:04:36,600 Speaker 2: we want you to be. 81 00:04:36,640 --> 00:04:40,200 Speaker 1: You well because they and the audience would like want that. 82 00:04:40,279 --> 00:04:43,080 Speaker 1: But the other women crazy. 83 00:04:44,040 --> 00:04:46,360 Speaker 2: And I was. I was surprised by that, like how 84 00:04:46,760 --> 00:04:49,719 Speaker 2: judgmental they were about my horn. 85 00:04:49,600 --> 00:04:52,840 Speaker 1: Throw because that was that was the arc right. 86 00:04:52,760 --> 00:04:55,000 Speaker 2: Before that that I looked like ship. 87 00:04:55,400 --> 00:04:57,680 Speaker 1: Well, I'm sure, well that was the arc. The Erica 88 00:04:57,920 --> 00:05:01,640 Speaker 1: and Dorrie coming in, the Erica coming in and Dorry 89 00:05:01,760 --> 00:05:03,880 Speaker 1: changing with all the hairstyles was the arc in the 90 00:05:03,920 --> 00:05:08,680 Speaker 1: show where Kyle had different hairstyles. Lisa Wrenne was wearing 91 00:05:08,680 --> 00:05:11,599 Speaker 1: her short haircut and as sheath dress for years until 92 00:05:12,040 --> 00:05:14,440 Speaker 1: until then the costumes and the wigs and the whole 93 00:05:14,480 --> 00:05:17,080 Speaker 1: thing change. And if you look at Bravocon, it's like 94 00:05:17,200 --> 00:05:19,839 Speaker 1: an absolute costume party. It's changed. 95 00:05:21,080 --> 00:05:24,240 Speaker 2: No, it's changed. And you know what, I like watching 96 00:05:24,279 --> 00:05:27,120 Speaker 2: it too, seeing, you know, I loved seeing what outfit 97 00:05:27,200 --> 00:05:28,760 Speaker 2: Deree was going to show up in. I was so 98 00:05:28,920 --> 00:05:31,680 Speaker 2: fascinated that she was like head to toe and all 99 00:05:31,720 --> 00:05:32,239 Speaker 2: that work. 100 00:05:32,279 --> 00:05:34,200 Speaker 1: And I'm like, but you didn't want to be part 101 00:05:34,240 --> 00:05:36,440 Speaker 1: of it. But you didn't want to do that yourself because. 102 00:05:36,120 --> 00:05:39,800 Speaker 2: That's not who I am. I wanted I do that 103 00:05:40,000 --> 00:05:42,400 Speaker 2: for an event. That's exactly how I am. Because for me, 104 00:05:42,480 --> 00:05:46,599 Speaker 2: it's work and I'll never forget this. Daurite said to me, 105 00:05:47,200 --> 00:05:51,200 Speaker 2: this is work, and I go, oh, well shit, you're right. 106 00:05:51,320 --> 00:05:53,040 Speaker 2: I didn't think of it that way. I just thought 107 00:05:53,040 --> 00:05:56,920 Speaker 2: of it as me going to dinner or lunch with girlfriends, 108 00:05:57,000 --> 00:06:00,480 Speaker 2: or being in the Bahamas wearing shorts, not going to 109 00:06:00,520 --> 00:06:03,800 Speaker 2: wear a freaking ball gown in the Bahamas. Yeah, at 110 00:06:03,880 --> 00:06:09,640 Speaker 2: a hotel. But she she was right in the sense 111 00:06:09,680 --> 00:06:14,680 Speaker 2: that this is work. So it's whatever image I suppose 112 00:06:14,800 --> 00:06:17,800 Speaker 2: that each women, each woman wants to put out there 113 00:06:17,800 --> 00:06:21,400 Speaker 2: of themselves, you know, how do they want to be perceived? 114 00:06:22,200 --> 00:06:23,160 Speaker 1: But is it reality? 115 00:06:24,440 --> 00:06:26,280 Speaker 2: Apparently not? I don't know. 116 00:06:26,440 --> 00:06:29,039 Speaker 1: I mean, did it feel like it was based on reality? 117 00:06:29,320 --> 00:06:33,320 Speaker 2: Well, for I don't know a lot of them outside 118 00:06:33,360 --> 00:06:35,920 Speaker 2: the show. So for me, I that's why I said 119 00:06:36,000 --> 00:06:38,960 Speaker 2: to the producers I'm involved in the show. I said, 120 00:06:39,000 --> 00:06:43,440 Speaker 2: I could be myself or I could be the actress 121 00:06:43,480 --> 00:06:47,040 Speaker 2: Denise Richards coming on and be glammed up the whole 122 00:06:47,040 --> 00:06:50,040 Speaker 2: time and treat it as if I'm filming a scripted 123 00:06:50,080 --> 00:06:53,640 Speaker 2: show playing a part. Wow, what I mean? 124 00:06:53,880 --> 00:06:55,800 Speaker 1: No, I totally know what you mean. But the thing is, 125 00:06:56,320 --> 00:06:58,440 Speaker 1: how can you not do that when that's the game. 126 00:06:58,480 --> 00:07:01,279 Speaker 1: You can't walk onto the NF fell and decide to 127 00:07:01,279 --> 00:07:03,880 Speaker 1: play pee wee football. So now you're playing this game 128 00:07:03,920 --> 00:07:05,800 Speaker 1: and you're like, wait a second, I came on just 129 00:07:05,839 --> 00:07:07,680 Speaker 1: to play pee wee football, as we're all being real, 130 00:07:07,720 --> 00:07:09,840 Speaker 1: but like, here we are, it's the NFL. So how 131 00:07:09,880 --> 00:07:11,720 Speaker 1: am I not going to raise my game and my 132 00:07:11,800 --> 00:07:13,920 Speaker 1: airs bag right in the front of the camera shot 133 00:07:14,200 --> 00:07:19,680 Speaker 1: and you know, and wear ABCDFG letters everywhere all over 134 00:07:19,720 --> 00:07:21,880 Speaker 1: my body every minute of the Like, how do you 135 00:07:21,920 --> 00:07:24,560 Speaker 1: come in there? Without doing that otherwise. 136 00:07:25,440 --> 00:07:28,240 Speaker 2: That's why I had to I had to make a decision, 137 00:07:28,320 --> 00:07:32,920 Speaker 2: and I said, I want to be myself, and myself 138 00:07:33,120 --> 00:07:36,600 Speaker 2: is I will go to lunch wearing jeans or if 139 00:07:36,640 --> 00:07:40,840 Speaker 2: I'm in the Bahamas, I'm wearing Schwartz. I'm not gonna 140 00:07:40,880 --> 00:07:44,560 Speaker 2: wear a ball gown unless they said wear a ball gown. 141 00:07:44,880 --> 00:07:47,040 Speaker 1: Right. But the next season, it felt like you did 142 00:07:47,160 --> 00:07:48,960 Speaker 1: take it to another level because you seem like you 143 00:07:49,000 --> 00:07:50,240 Speaker 1: felt like the pressure. 144 00:07:50,480 --> 00:07:52,440 Speaker 2: Not really, I still wore my jeans. 145 00:07:52,680 --> 00:07:55,320 Speaker 1: Oh you, I feel like I thought it was a change. 146 00:07:55,560 --> 00:07:59,080 Speaker 2: Actually, Kyle called me a ragamuffin in the second season, 147 00:08:00,840 --> 00:08:05,800 Speaker 2: so oh I still looked like a ragamuffin. But did I. 148 00:08:05,720 --> 00:08:09,000 Speaker 1: That's what's crazy, Like did he Stritrid's bond girl is 149 00:08:09,000 --> 00:08:09,840 Speaker 1: a ragamuffin? 150 00:08:10,040 --> 00:08:11,960 Speaker 2: I remember, I don't know if it aired or not. 151 00:08:12,080 --> 00:08:14,960 Speaker 2: When we were in the second season, we were in 152 00:08:15,080 --> 00:08:18,960 Speaker 2: Santa Barbara, I think, and they were talking about Teddy 153 00:08:19,040 --> 00:08:23,000 Speaker 2: and Kyle were talking about some shit about my clothes, 154 00:08:23,160 --> 00:08:27,600 Speaker 2: and I'm like, so what, like. 155 00:08:27,720 --> 00:08:28,040 Speaker 1: Now, what. 156 00:08:29,520 --> 00:08:31,920 Speaker 2: If I decided to get hair and makeup. I did 157 00:08:31,960 --> 00:08:35,880 Speaker 2: do that a few times when we weren't doing interviews. 158 00:08:35,920 --> 00:08:37,760 Speaker 2: I did get glam I'm like, well, who the fuck 159 00:08:37,800 --> 00:08:39,800 Speaker 2: wouldn't coming to dinner with you guys, Like I don't 160 00:08:39,800 --> 00:08:40,520 Speaker 2: want to look like. 161 00:08:40,600 --> 00:08:43,040 Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying, shit ask Yeah. 162 00:08:42,679 --> 00:08:44,920 Speaker 2: Okay, maybe I have my ship as jeans on, but 163 00:08:45,040 --> 00:08:49,120 Speaker 2: I don't want to have you feel I don't want 164 00:08:49,120 --> 00:08:50,920 Speaker 2: to look at myself on TV and look like a 165 00:08:50,920 --> 00:08:52,280 Speaker 2: piece of shit exactly. 166 00:08:52,360 --> 00:08:54,559 Speaker 1: And the thing is, I was like you, I related 167 00:08:54,600 --> 00:08:58,360 Speaker 1: to you because I liked I'm all over I'm all 168 00:08:58,400 --> 00:09:00,160 Speaker 1: over social media looking like a piece of shit every 169 00:09:00,200 --> 00:09:02,000 Speaker 1: day because I look like a piece of shit most days, 170 00:09:02,200 --> 00:09:05,640 Speaker 1: I really do. I look like good when I'm being paid. 171 00:09:06,200 --> 00:09:08,280 Speaker 1: I'm being paid. I'm gonna put some makeup for me. 172 00:09:08,480 --> 00:09:13,040 Speaker 2: It's work. Like my job since I was a teenager 173 00:09:13,320 --> 00:09:17,600 Speaker 2: has been. I can go to set wearing sweats, live 174 00:09:17,640 --> 00:09:21,280 Speaker 2: for it. You have a six am call, and you 175 00:09:21,360 --> 00:09:25,199 Speaker 2: get made up and get your wardrobe, and then when 176 00:09:25,240 --> 00:09:29,360 Speaker 2: I wrap, you know, sixteen hours later, I put my 177 00:09:29,400 --> 00:09:31,000 Speaker 2: sweats and drive home and. 178 00:09:30,920 --> 00:09:33,839 Speaker 1: With the wipe in your hand to get the makeup. Yeah. Well, 179 00:09:33,880 --> 00:09:36,160 Speaker 1: by the way, that's exactly how I feel. You're damaging. 180 00:09:36,240 --> 00:09:38,280 Speaker 1: I mean, I have to be ridiculous. You're damaging your skin, 181 00:09:38,360 --> 00:09:40,240 Speaker 1: You're damaging your hair? Who wants to do that when 182 00:09:40,240 --> 00:09:40,720 Speaker 1: you don't have to? 183 00:09:40,840 --> 00:09:42,280 Speaker 2: Well, a lot of times I would keep my makeup 184 00:09:42,320 --> 00:09:44,199 Speaker 2: on because I liked it, and I'm like, at least 185 00:09:44,240 --> 00:09:46,760 Speaker 2: I'll show up home looking cute. 186 00:09:46,360 --> 00:09:49,720 Speaker 1: But but I meant my Aaron said, you always look 187 00:09:50,400 --> 00:09:52,079 Speaker 1: I'm getting amazing energy from Eron. 188 00:09:52,160 --> 00:09:53,319 Speaker 2: No, he's such a good. 189 00:09:53,200 --> 00:09:57,760 Speaker 1: Love love er all right, so without So that's why. 190 00:09:57,559 --> 00:09:59,720 Speaker 2: I was like, do I treat this like a job 191 00:09:59,840 --> 00:10:04,360 Speaker 2: or do I treat this like a really reality? And I, 192 00:10:04,440 --> 00:10:08,199 Speaker 2: stupidly I think I guess treated it like reality. 193 00:10:08,400 --> 00:10:10,880 Speaker 1: You would have been better back in the old school. 194 00:10:10,960 --> 00:10:13,920 Speaker 1: Jill zarren Nini Bethany like original things because we were 195 00:10:13,960 --> 00:10:16,040 Speaker 1: all I was wearing my like used sweater and we 196 00:10:16,040 --> 00:10:18,040 Speaker 1: were filming it in my literally at sweater. I bought 197 00:10:18,040 --> 00:10:20,320 Speaker 1: it could signed because I was broke. We were We 198 00:10:20,320 --> 00:10:23,880 Speaker 1: were in my studio Ikia designed department with like a 199 00:10:24,040 --> 00:10:26,439 Speaker 1: homemade set that they did the interviews. It wasn't so 200 00:10:26,760 --> 00:10:29,200 Speaker 1: what it is now, and I like that sloppiness. It 201 00:10:29,240 --> 00:10:30,880 Speaker 1: was what it was. It was real. We were real 202 00:10:30,920 --> 00:10:32,679 Speaker 1: people having real conversations and. 203 00:10:32,640 --> 00:10:36,880 Speaker 2: Real comfortable and I also and that's and I wanted 204 00:10:36,920 --> 00:10:39,960 Speaker 2: to be myself and this was who I was, so 205 00:10:40,559 --> 00:10:43,520 Speaker 2: that's why I chose to just do that. Now. I 206 00:10:43,559 --> 00:10:47,760 Speaker 2: did do glam More my second season, but I didn't 207 00:10:47,840 --> 00:10:49,000 Speaker 2: dress in ball gowns. 208 00:10:49,200 --> 00:10:52,920 Speaker 1: So was the whole experience? Did it hurt or help 209 00:10:52,920 --> 00:10:53,520 Speaker 1: your acting career? 210 00:10:53,880 --> 00:10:56,720 Speaker 2: It didn't hurt my acting career, and I wasn't sure 211 00:10:56,760 --> 00:11:02,720 Speaker 2: how it would go, but it definitely amazing. Did so 212 00:11:02,800 --> 00:11:05,560 Speaker 2: going back to when I first signed on, did everyone 213 00:11:05,600 --> 00:11:06,320 Speaker 2: want me to do it? 214 00:11:06,600 --> 00:11:06,800 Speaker 1: No? 215 00:11:08,520 --> 00:11:12,680 Speaker 2: Some of my reps were like, absolutely not, and I said, 216 00:11:12,720 --> 00:11:15,880 Speaker 2: you know what, I'm gonna do it anyway. Fuck it, 217 00:11:15,880 --> 00:11:19,479 Speaker 2: it's and if it goes bad, then I'll take responsibility 218 00:11:19,520 --> 00:11:22,600 Speaker 2: for it. But because I also do think our business 219 00:11:22,679 --> 00:11:26,199 Speaker 2: is changing obviously. I mean, look at sometimes people are 220 00:11:26,280 --> 00:11:29,960 Speaker 2: hired for acting jobs based off of how many followers 221 00:11:30,000 --> 00:11:35,440 Speaker 2: they have on Instagram. So you have to also change 222 00:11:35,440 --> 00:11:37,760 Speaker 2: with the times too, if you want to stay relevant 223 00:11:37,800 --> 00:11:41,640 Speaker 2: and continue working. You know, I'm not believe it or not, 224 00:11:41,720 --> 00:11:45,360 Speaker 2: I'm not my twenties anymore, so I you know, have 225 00:11:45,480 --> 00:11:46,760 Speaker 2: to keep working. 226 00:11:47,320 --> 00:11:49,080 Speaker 1: So it was a choice. It was like I got 227 00:11:49,200 --> 00:11:49,920 Speaker 1: pigot choice. 228 00:11:50,000 --> 00:11:53,720 Speaker 2: I thought this could be fun, It's something different. I've 229 00:11:53,760 --> 00:11:57,000 Speaker 2: never done a show like this, before, and Lisa Renna 230 00:11:57,040 --> 00:12:00,520 Speaker 2: had talked so highly about it and wonderful oppera tunities 231 00:12:00,559 --> 00:12:02,720 Speaker 2: that she had from it. So that's why I thought, 232 00:12:02,720 --> 00:12:05,439 Speaker 2: why not Ultimately was it a good or bad experience? 233 00:12:05,760 --> 00:12:09,320 Speaker 2: It was ultimately a good experience. I actually have a 234 00:12:09,400 --> 00:12:12,960 Speaker 2: lot of fond memories. I have some rotten ones too, 235 00:12:13,080 --> 00:12:14,920 Speaker 2: but I have a lot of fond memories being on 236 00:12:14,960 --> 00:12:15,440 Speaker 2: that show. 237 00:12:16,040 --> 00:12:20,559 Speaker 1: So do you think that it's possible to sustain relationships 238 00:12:20,600 --> 00:12:21,199 Speaker 1: on that show? 239 00:12:23,160 --> 00:12:24,760 Speaker 2: Friendships or relationship any like? 240 00:12:24,760 --> 00:12:26,240 Speaker 1: If you and Aaron were on that show for the 241 00:12:26,240 --> 00:12:28,559 Speaker 1: next ten years, would it be difficult? 242 00:12:28,600 --> 00:12:32,840 Speaker 2: I think if a couple gets divorced, I think they 243 00:12:32,840 --> 00:12:35,880 Speaker 2: would have gotten divorced, regardless of being on reality show 244 00:12:35,960 --> 00:12:38,559 Speaker 2: or not. I think being on a reality show, though, 245 00:12:38,679 --> 00:12:42,800 Speaker 2: does highlight certain things, and maybe watching it you could 246 00:12:43,120 --> 00:12:45,640 Speaker 2: see yourself differently and be like, well, crap, I didn't 247 00:12:45,640 --> 00:12:47,920 Speaker 2: know I acted like that, or I didn't know he 248 00:12:48,000 --> 00:12:50,080 Speaker 2: or she acted like that. So I think that it 249 00:12:50,320 --> 00:12:53,560 Speaker 2: could highlight certain things. I do think there is pressure 250 00:12:54,040 --> 00:12:59,560 Speaker 2: from being you know, especially because I am an actress 251 00:12:59,559 --> 00:13:01,880 Speaker 2: and I have been in the public for so long. 252 00:13:02,960 --> 00:13:08,160 Speaker 2: I think some couples it's different for them because that's. 253 00:13:08,080 --> 00:13:10,640 Speaker 1: New new territory. 254 00:13:10,320 --> 00:13:14,840 Speaker 2: They become famous when they start doing the show. That 255 00:13:14,920 --> 00:13:17,679 Speaker 2: makes sense, and it's sometimes that's hard to navigate. 256 00:13:30,320 --> 00:13:34,360 Speaker 1: And what about its effect on kids? What about your 257 00:13:34,440 --> 00:13:36,520 Speaker 1: kids being on the same thing because they've grown up 258 00:13:36,520 --> 00:13:36,959 Speaker 1: in the machine. 259 00:13:37,080 --> 00:13:41,400 Speaker 2: My kids, they've grown up with, you know, God, very differently. Now. 260 00:13:42,200 --> 00:13:44,520 Speaker 2: Like I said, if if a family comes on these 261 00:13:44,559 --> 00:13:49,520 Speaker 2: shows and they've never experienced anything like that, that's where 262 00:13:49,520 --> 00:13:52,800 Speaker 2: I think it could be a little difficult to try 263 00:13:52,840 --> 00:13:57,959 Speaker 2: to navigate the challenges that come with people saying things 264 00:13:57,960 --> 00:14:01,480 Speaker 2: about you all of a sudden, article are written positive 265 00:14:01,480 --> 00:14:04,800 Speaker 2: and negative things that are said about your kids, or 266 00:14:04,800 --> 00:14:07,720 Speaker 2: your husband or your wife, or your job or whatever. 267 00:14:08,000 --> 00:14:09,080 Speaker 1: It's starring up the pot. 268 00:14:09,320 --> 00:14:12,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I think it's just being all of a sudden, 269 00:14:12,840 --> 00:14:16,640 Speaker 2: you go from not being famous to being people knowing 270 00:14:16,679 --> 00:14:19,960 Speaker 2: who the hell you are, and that's and having there's 271 00:14:20,160 --> 00:14:22,760 Speaker 2: good things with that, and there's negative things with that too. 272 00:14:23,120 --> 00:14:25,440 Speaker 1: And about the friendships you used to be friends with 273 00:14:25,520 --> 00:14:27,680 Speaker 1: Lisa Rinna, I think you used to be friends with that. 274 00:14:27,840 --> 00:14:30,840 Speaker 2: We would still be friends, Brenna and I if we 275 00:14:30,840 --> 00:14:32,640 Speaker 2: weren't on the show, so I believe. 276 00:14:32,920 --> 00:14:36,160 Speaker 1: But that's interesting because you think that if a marriage 277 00:14:36,160 --> 00:14:37,960 Speaker 1: would have broken up, it would have broken up anyway. 278 00:14:38,000 --> 00:14:40,040 Speaker 1: So doesn't that mean that your friendship would have also 279 00:14:40,080 --> 00:14:40,600 Speaker 1: broken up? 280 00:14:40,680 --> 00:14:43,320 Speaker 2: Because I think that you learn a lot about people 281 00:14:43,560 --> 00:14:46,840 Speaker 2: when you live with them, travel or work with them. 282 00:14:47,120 --> 00:14:51,520 Speaker 2: I hadn't never worked with Renna before. Okay, so we 283 00:14:51,640 --> 00:14:55,080 Speaker 2: worked on the same movie ironically my ex husband was 284 00:14:55,080 --> 00:14:57,000 Speaker 2: in it, but we didn't have a scene together. And 285 00:14:57,040 --> 00:15:00,120 Speaker 2: I didn't work with her even if. 286 00:15:00,520 --> 00:15:03,240 Speaker 1: But I'm at least not in the machine also, and 287 00:15:03,280 --> 00:15:05,640 Speaker 1: I really connected with her and I really liked her. 288 00:15:05,920 --> 00:15:10,200 Speaker 1: And I think that the reality television space, or this 289 00:15:10,240 --> 00:15:14,640 Speaker 1: particular medium, it does crazy things to certain people. Some 290 00:15:14,680 --> 00:15:17,960 Speaker 1: people become a different person. And I see a difference 291 00:15:17,960 --> 00:15:20,680 Speaker 1: even in Lisa Rinnan. Now after being off the show, 292 00:15:20,680 --> 00:15:24,200 Speaker 1: there's a desperation that has calmed down, Like she's doing 293 00:15:24,200 --> 00:15:26,440 Speaker 1: a lot of fashion and it seems like she likes it. 294 00:15:26,480 --> 00:15:28,120 Speaker 1: And you're allowed to change and you're allowed to be 295 00:15:28,120 --> 00:15:30,960 Speaker 1: incial your daughters or models. But it felt like while 296 00:15:31,040 --> 00:15:34,720 Speaker 1: she was on the house was it was constant. She 297 00:15:34,880 --> 00:15:37,760 Speaker 1: was like addicted to she was definitely to something, to 298 00:15:37,880 --> 00:15:41,040 Speaker 1: messaging it to doing something. She seems different now to 299 00:15:41,120 --> 00:15:42,880 Speaker 1: me and before. 300 00:15:43,320 --> 00:15:46,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, so I sorry, I take that as far as 301 00:15:46,280 --> 00:15:49,840 Speaker 2: for me personally. Would I think Aaron and I would 302 00:15:49,840 --> 00:15:52,360 Speaker 2: be married if we were on the show ten years 303 00:15:52,720 --> 00:15:58,000 Speaker 2: Absolutely do. I think the show itself, that environment could 304 00:15:58,120 --> 00:15:59,640 Speaker 2: change people if you allow it. 305 00:16:00,800 --> 00:16:01,240 Speaker 1: Got it. 306 00:16:01,320 --> 00:16:05,320 Speaker 2: So I do think that. You know, Lisa Renna didn't 307 00:16:05,360 --> 00:16:07,480 Speaker 2: have people kne who she was, but she didn't have 308 00:16:07,520 --> 00:16:10,040 Speaker 2: the fame she has now from that show. 309 00:16:10,200 --> 00:16:11,840 Speaker 1: No, That's why I was saying, you're a different type 310 00:16:11,840 --> 00:16:14,960 Speaker 1: of actress. You had massive fame before and you still are. 311 00:16:15,000 --> 00:16:18,360 Speaker 1: Denise Richards, Lisa Kyle, they didn't have that kind of 312 00:16:18,440 --> 00:16:22,520 Speaker 1: fame in that Hollywood entertainment sphere that they do now. 313 00:16:23,640 --> 00:16:25,760 Speaker 1: And I I and like I said, I've always liked 314 00:16:25,840 --> 00:16:28,760 Speaker 1: Lisa Renna and I think she's I think fame in 315 00:16:28,800 --> 00:16:31,120 Speaker 1: this way, in that bubble can make you crazy because 316 00:16:31,120 --> 00:16:35,280 Speaker 1: you think you've seen fame overall. I think when you 317 00:16:35,320 --> 00:16:38,280 Speaker 1: have it here, you think everybody is talking about this thing. 318 00:16:38,320 --> 00:16:40,480 Speaker 1: My pup, Joe Joe Fritzo, our publicist, will say to me, 319 00:16:40,520 --> 00:16:42,840 Speaker 1: you know, understand, like this is one little world. There's 320 00:16:42,880 --> 00:16:43,920 Speaker 1: a whole world. 321 00:16:43,600 --> 00:16:46,040 Speaker 2: Out there, and thank God for her for us with that. 322 00:16:46,320 --> 00:16:48,880 Speaker 1: Right, She's like nobody knows what's going on about this? 323 00:16:48,960 --> 00:16:52,000 Speaker 1: Like only you, I've had things happening inside of Instagram 324 00:16:52,120 --> 00:16:53,720 Speaker 1: or TikTok, and I've thought it was real. And then 325 00:16:53,720 --> 00:16:55,440 Speaker 1: I'm talking to someone I'm selling a book to, like 326 00:16:55,440 --> 00:16:58,000 Speaker 1: what are you talking about? Or housewives stuff? We think 327 00:16:58,040 --> 00:17:01,520 Speaker 1: that this thing that's in this article. And Lisa was very, 328 00:17:01,640 --> 00:17:04,320 Speaker 1: very in tune with the machine. So anyway, I don't know. 329 00:17:04,520 --> 00:17:05,720 Speaker 1: You guys aren't friends now. 330 00:17:05,600 --> 00:17:07,200 Speaker 2: But oh I will never be friends with her? 331 00:17:07,400 --> 00:17:09,879 Speaker 1: Okay? And what about and you'd never be friends with 332 00:17:09,920 --> 00:17:10,480 Speaker 1: Brandy too? 333 00:17:11,000 --> 00:17:14,480 Speaker 2: I was never friends with Brandy. I met her twice. 334 00:17:15,200 --> 00:17:17,600 Speaker 1: Oh okay, got it? So okay? 335 00:17:17,600 --> 00:17:19,600 Speaker 2: Because I was never friends with her? 336 00:17:19,960 --> 00:17:22,840 Speaker 1: What you were never friends with Brandy? And it's funny 337 00:17:22,840 --> 00:17:24,840 Speaker 1: because it seemed on the show like that was such 338 00:17:24,840 --> 00:17:27,639 Speaker 1: a big deal to you. You seemed really stressed about it, 339 00:17:27,640 --> 00:17:29,200 Speaker 1: and now it seems like it wasn't a big Why 340 00:17:29,200 --> 00:17:30,680 Speaker 1: did you take the bait? Why didn't you just feel like, 341 00:17:30,720 --> 00:17:32,159 Speaker 1: what are you talking about? Who cares you? Well? 342 00:17:32,200 --> 00:17:33,560 Speaker 2: You never know what airs. 343 00:17:34,760 --> 00:17:36,320 Speaker 1: Right? But why would you just not take the bait? 344 00:17:36,359 --> 00:17:38,560 Speaker 1: Because I took the bait? Like meaning, why would you 345 00:17:38,600 --> 00:17:40,480 Speaker 1: just be like, okay, yeah, that all happened no problem. 346 00:17:40,480 --> 00:17:43,520 Speaker 1: Who cares? You know what I'm saying, Like on reality, 347 00:17:43,600 --> 00:17:45,280 Speaker 1: if you go into it and you talk about it, 348 00:17:45,320 --> 00:17:46,800 Speaker 1: do you seem like you care about it? 349 00:17:46,840 --> 00:17:50,040 Speaker 2: But I was so when I said Bravo, Bravo whatever, 350 00:17:50,359 --> 00:17:54,960 Speaker 2: I was referring to something else with my daughter. Oh, 351 00:17:55,000 --> 00:17:58,080 Speaker 2: and I felt like, oh, here we go another dinner 352 00:17:58,240 --> 00:18:01,960 Speaker 2: where they're gonna come at me. I blurted something out. 353 00:18:02,240 --> 00:18:05,879 Speaker 2: That's why I said Bravo, Bravo. And I said, Okay, 354 00:18:05,920 --> 00:18:07,359 Speaker 2: you guys, I know you're going to come at me 355 00:18:07,480 --> 00:18:11,000 Speaker 2: for whatever. It was like every dinner that season that 356 00:18:11,040 --> 00:18:14,800 Speaker 2: they had something that I did wrong. I said, you 357 00:18:14,840 --> 00:18:18,840 Speaker 2: guys got to give me a second. So that's what 358 00:18:18,960 --> 00:18:19,879 Speaker 2: I was. 359 00:18:21,359 --> 00:18:24,160 Speaker 1: Your daughter, Yeah, fascinating. 360 00:18:23,640 --> 00:18:26,960 Speaker 2: And so I I said something I shouldn't have, something 361 00:18:27,040 --> 00:18:32,199 Speaker 2: very personal, And so then I took a breath and 362 00:18:32,240 --> 00:18:35,399 Speaker 2: it was like then you know they said all that, 363 00:18:35,440 --> 00:18:36,280 Speaker 2: and I was like, oh, for a. 364 00:18:36,320 --> 00:18:38,520 Speaker 1: Fox's sake, why do you think they didn't include the 365 00:18:38,560 --> 00:18:40,920 Speaker 1: personal thing? You said? Why did they take that out? 366 00:18:41,720 --> 00:18:42,639 Speaker 1: Relevant to the story? 367 00:18:43,040 --> 00:18:47,439 Speaker 2: Not relevant? I'm actually grateful that Bravo didn't. Okay, it 368 00:18:47,520 --> 00:18:50,280 Speaker 2: was had nothing to do with anything. It was. I 369 00:18:50,280 --> 00:18:51,080 Speaker 2: don't even want to get. 370 00:18:50,960 --> 00:18:55,480 Speaker 1: Into this show. I just wanted to get some context. 371 00:18:55,760 --> 00:18:59,359 Speaker 2: Rinna Garcel. I was friends with her before the show. 372 00:18:59,600 --> 00:19:01,640 Speaker 2: I will continue to be friends with her. I love her. 373 00:19:01,760 --> 00:19:02,440 Speaker 1: She seems great. 374 00:19:02,720 --> 00:19:05,200 Speaker 2: Sutton I became friends with after the show. 375 00:19:05,760 --> 00:19:07,600 Speaker 1: But you just went back and did a guest spot. 376 00:19:07,600 --> 00:19:09,320 Speaker 1: And I said to Jill, I called, You'll, like, why 377 00:19:09,359 --> 00:19:11,720 Speaker 1: is she doing that? Because you're not being paid for 378 00:19:11,760 --> 00:19:13,919 Speaker 1: the whole season, yet they market it as if you 379 00:19:13,960 --> 00:19:15,920 Speaker 1: came back. It looks like you came back the way 380 00:19:15,920 --> 00:19:17,960 Speaker 1: that they manipulate with the marketing. So I was like, 381 00:19:18,000 --> 00:19:20,520 Speaker 1: why would she do that because I paid you something tiny. 382 00:19:20,760 --> 00:19:25,760 Speaker 2: I showed up to go to Garceal's screening and I 383 00:19:25,800 --> 00:19:30,160 Speaker 2: didn't tell anyone I was going okay and except Garcel 384 00:19:30,240 --> 00:19:34,480 Speaker 2: and I just showed up. And so that's how that happened. 385 00:19:34,480 --> 00:19:36,879 Speaker 2: They didn't I didn't ask to be paid to go 386 00:19:36,920 --> 00:19:40,119 Speaker 2: to her screening. I didn't expect it. I was truly 387 00:19:40,160 --> 00:19:44,479 Speaker 2: going to support her and they were filming it, and 388 00:19:44,560 --> 00:19:47,919 Speaker 2: so after I went to the screening, they asked. She 389 00:19:48,119 --> 00:19:49,800 Speaker 2: called me the next day and asked me if I 390 00:19:49,840 --> 00:19:53,520 Speaker 2: would ever come do anything, and I said, if it's 391 00:19:53,560 --> 00:19:55,760 Speaker 2: with you, I would do it. And so then I 392 00:19:55,800 --> 00:20:00,399 Speaker 2: did a couple lunches and then at dinner, and that 393 00:20:00,520 --> 00:20:01,840 Speaker 2: was you know, it's been a big deal. 394 00:20:02,200 --> 00:20:04,560 Speaker 1: No, but it's being marketed as if you're part of 395 00:20:04,600 --> 00:20:07,000 Speaker 1: the cast. To me, what watching the promos but you 396 00:20:07,000 --> 00:20:07,880 Speaker 1: don't care about. 397 00:20:07,640 --> 00:20:13,800 Speaker 2: That, Mike whatever, Okay, I don't care, really don't. 398 00:20:13,880 --> 00:20:15,000 Speaker 1: So you go back again. 399 00:20:16,400 --> 00:20:20,320 Speaker 2: It depends on yeah. I mean I honestly my experience, 400 00:20:20,920 --> 00:20:26,359 Speaker 2: I did have a shitty experience with which I a 401 00:20:26,359 --> 00:20:29,600 Speaker 2: lot of it had. I hate saying this about but 402 00:20:30,480 --> 00:20:32,920 Speaker 2: it wasn't good with Lisa Renna, and it was sad 403 00:20:32,960 --> 00:20:34,920 Speaker 2: to me. I had a twenty year friendship with her 404 00:20:35,240 --> 00:20:40,000 Speaker 2: and to see how she could sacrifice a friendship of 405 00:20:40,040 --> 00:20:44,240 Speaker 2: twenty years for a show and that isn't going to 406 00:20:44,359 --> 00:20:49,119 Speaker 2: last forever. Obviously she's not on it anymore. That like, 407 00:20:49,240 --> 00:20:51,760 Speaker 2: at what cost? You know, I didn't see. 408 00:20:51,800 --> 00:20:53,280 Speaker 1: I don't know exactly what you're talking about, but I 409 00:20:53,280 --> 00:20:56,320 Speaker 1: will tell you that people get programmed in a way 410 00:20:56,359 --> 00:20:58,480 Speaker 1: that they're in it for so long and they can't 411 00:20:58,520 --> 00:21:01,080 Speaker 1: see what's real and what's not. And your job on 412 00:21:01,119 --> 00:21:02,560 Speaker 1: that show, you are only there for. 413 00:21:02,560 --> 00:21:04,480 Speaker 2: A little two seasons, right, Your. 414 00:21:04,400 --> 00:21:07,000 Speaker 1: Job on that show is for every single thing to 415 00:21:07,119 --> 00:21:10,919 Speaker 1: come into the show, even if it's your sister, your mother. 416 00:21:11,240 --> 00:21:11,920 Speaker 1: That's why I. 417 00:21:11,840 --> 00:21:14,879 Speaker 2: Don't understand that. The thing of it is, I think 418 00:21:16,040 --> 00:21:18,840 Speaker 2: it's okay for women to get along. It's okay to 419 00:21:18,920 --> 00:21:23,240 Speaker 2: watch us have fun. It's okay to have an escape 420 00:21:23,359 --> 00:21:26,480 Speaker 2: and watch the show and see like, oh, you know, 421 00:21:26,760 --> 00:21:29,159 Speaker 2: a bunch of women at our ages to have a 422 00:21:29,200 --> 00:21:32,919 Speaker 2: good time outside of husbands and kids to you know, 423 00:21:33,240 --> 00:21:36,840 Speaker 2: when do you go on a girls trip at I 424 00:21:36,880 --> 00:21:38,679 Speaker 2: haven't been on one since I was like in my 425 00:21:38,760 --> 00:21:41,240 Speaker 2: twenties with a group of girls, and so to see 426 00:21:41,280 --> 00:21:43,879 Speaker 2: a group of women to be able to have fun 427 00:21:43,880 --> 00:21:47,280 Speaker 2: in this, But then I think sometimes things get taken 428 00:21:47,320 --> 00:21:47,760 Speaker 2: too far. 429 00:21:48,640 --> 00:21:52,800 Speaker 1: The thing is, it's because you and Kathy are examples 430 00:21:52,800 --> 00:21:54,679 Speaker 1: of people that came in for the same reason, like, 431 00:21:54,720 --> 00:21:56,640 Speaker 1: oh yeah, I'm a Hilton, but it's okay, it's gonna 432 00:21:56,640 --> 00:21:58,840 Speaker 1: be fun. We're gonna have fun. And Nikki and Paris 433 00:21:58,880 --> 00:22:00,920 Speaker 1: are like, what is she doing? And we're gonna have fun. 434 00:22:01,720 --> 00:22:06,000 Speaker 1: And it takes probably three seasons, I would say that 435 00:22:06,119 --> 00:22:09,440 Speaker 1: to get war like a worn and leather suitcase, where 436 00:22:09,440 --> 00:22:14,040 Speaker 1: now you're like the new car smell is off. It's 437 00:22:14,080 --> 00:22:16,640 Speaker 1: game time. You can't just be the fun new one. 438 00:22:16,840 --> 00:22:18,480 Speaker 1: You don't have the new car smell, and you've got 439 00:22:18,520 --> 00:22:20,199 Speaker 1: to like it's game time. You have to kill or 440 00:22:20,240 --> 00:22:20,640 Speaker 1: be killed. 441 00:22:20,680 --> 00:22:23,199 Speaker 2: But that's what I don't understand, Like why do you 442 00:22:23,280 --> 00:22:26,600 Speaker 2: have to try to destroy people's lives and try to, 443 00:22:27,880 --> 00:22:30,440 Speaker 2: you know, find the worst dirt on people or. 444 00:22:30,600 --> 00:22:33,000 Speaker 1: It's the name of that game, it's the name. 445 00:22:33,080 --> 00:22:40,360 Speaker 2: Where I think that you could still watch name who's. 446 00:22:39,480 --> 00:22:42,680 Speaker 1: On these shows that does a good job of floating 447 00:22:42,680 --> 00:22:44,680 Speaker 1: in the middle. That's not just a friend. 448 00:22:44,920 --> 00:22:47,040 Speaker 2: About floating in the middle. I mean, you could obviously 449 00:22:47,119 --> 00:22:50,640 Speaker 2: have bad shit happened to you, but when there's. 450 00:22:50,520 --> 00:22:52,880 Speaker 1: No I don't mean you to do somebody, but I mean. 451 00:22:53,240 --> 00:22:55,600 Speaker 2: But you don't have to go out of your way 452 00:22:55,720 --> 00:22:57,840 Speaker 2: to do something bad to someone just to. 453 00:22:59,400 --> 00:23:03,280 Speaker 1: I don't know, to create a history. I don't remember 454 00:23:03,359 --> 00:23:06,040 Speaker 1: the exactly it was a while back, and so of anyone. 455 00:23:06,320 --> 00:23:08,560 Speaker 2: I'm just saying in general, like a lot of a 456 00:23:08,560 --> 00:23:12,800 Speaker 2: lot of the shows are people. 457 00:23:13,000 --> 00:23:15,600 Speaker 1: This is happening to Lisa, this thing is happening, this 458 00:23:15,680 --> 00:23:19,480 Speaker 1: crazy thing. You're supposed to put it into the middle 459 00:23:19,600 --> 00:23:22,600 Speaker 1: because that's the name of that game, is what I'm saying. 460 00:23:22,640 --> 00:23:25,680 Speaker 1: That's happened with literally sisters, Kim, Kyle, Kathy. They throw 461 00:23:25,720 --> 00:23:28,240 Speaker 1: it in the middle because producers are in your ears 462 00:23:28,240 --> 00:23:30,360 Speaker 1: saying like, we have to talk about this. These other 463 00:23:30,359 --> 00:23:32,320 Speaker 1: people know this like it's a it's a it's a 464 00:23:32,400 --> 00:23:35,320 Speaker 1: mental game, like you gotta you know, it's just a 465 00:23:35,359 --> 00:23:36,080 Speaker 1: way that it goes. 466 00:23:36,080 --> 00:23:38,080 Speaker 2: But if that's why it's no, I know, and that's 467 00:23:38,080 --> 00:23:42,040 Speaker 2: probably why I you know, it's for me left. Yeah, 468 00:23:42,560 --> 00:23:45,800 Speaker 2: for me, it was if someone were to come up 469 00:23:45,800 --> 00:23:47,760 Speaker 2: to me and say, we need you to bring this up. 470 00:23:47,840 --> 00:23:50,879 Speaker 2: If it was something I'm just hearing it for the 471 00:23:50,920 --> 00:23:53,520 Speaker 2: first time off camera, I'm not going to bring it up. 472 00:23:54,440 --> 00:23:57,199 Speaker 2: It's my place to say it. Else do it. 473 00:23:57,280 --> 00:23:58,080 Speaker 1: That's you're good. 474 00:23:58,119 --> 00:24:00,560 Speaker 2: Why would I do that? Yeah, you know, if they 475 00:24:00,560 --> 00:24:03,400 Speaker 2: bring it up and we talk about it, great, that's 476 00:24:03,440 --> 00:24:06,480 Speaker 2: the thing. If you get six to eight women together 477 00:24:07,400 --> 00:24:12,040 Speaker 2: and just let the women talk, you will get the 478 00:24:12,119 --> 00:24:13,400 Speaker 2: drama naturally. 479 00:24:13,560 --> 00:24:16,080 Speaker 1: No, I that's but I think that would be good producing. 480 00:24:16,080 --> 00:24:17,919 Speaker 1: I think the low hanging fruit is taken over and 481 00:24:17,960 --> 00:24:19,240 Speaker 1: just do the thing that's going to be the most 482 00:24:19,240 --> 00:24:22,679 Speaker 1: salacious and talk about someone's infidelity, talk about someone's you know, 483 00:24:23,359 --> 00:24:26,080 Speaker 1: child that is not out of a closet yet, or 484 00:24:26,200 --> 00:24:29,480 Speaker 1: just like things that cross the line. But anyway, I'm 485 00:24:29,520 --> 00:24:32,000 Speaker 1: just was curious about your experience, which I'm so happy. 486 00:24:31,760 --> 00:24:33,960 Speaker 2: I did have a good experience to hear, but why 487 00:24:33,960 --> 00:24:36,440 Speaker 2: did you have? But I also had a negative experience 488 00:24:36,840 --> 00:24:41,679 Speaker 2: because I didn't know. My experience with Lisa Renna was 489 00:24:41,760 --> 00:24:47,959 Speaker 2: so bad that I thought, Okay, what would happen next season? 490 00:24:48,480 --> 00:24:50,159 Speaker 1: So why don't you go back now? Why don't you 491 00:24:50,200 --> 00:24:51,800 Speaker 1: go back now that she's gone? 492 00:24:52,680 --> 00:24:54,720 Speaker 2: Well, I don't know. We'll see whatever happens. 493 00:24:54,760 --> 00:24:55,879 Speaker 1: Oh, they might ask you about it. 494 00:24:55,920 --> 00:24:57,840 Speaker 2: Interesting. I don't know if they'll ask me back. I 495 00:24:57,960 --> 00:25:00,000 Speaker 2: just did a few little episodes. 496 00:25:00,119 --> 00:25:01,320 Speaker 1: I bet you they didn't even know that you were 497 00:25:01,320 --> 00:25:02,680 Speaker 1: interested in possibly going back. 498 00:25:03,400 --> 00:25:06,680 Speaker 2: You know what, I didn't call to say, hey, can 499 00:25:06,720 --> 00:25:07,600 Speaker 2: I come back? 500 00:25:07,960 --> 00:25:09,639 Speaker 1: No, I would have to come to you. 501 00:25:10,080 --> 00:25:11,879 Speaker 2: But I mean, like, but even and I have no 502 00:25:11,960 --> 00:25:13,359 Speaker 2: ego either, I would. 503 00:25:13,560 --> 00:25:17,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, if the ultimate irony of all of all time 504 00:25:17,240 --> 00:25:19,200 Speaker 1: will be what that I brokeer the deal to get 505 00:25:19,200 --> 00:25:22,280 Speaker 1: you back on the Housewife, that would be the ultimate irony. 506 00:25:22,640 --> 00:25:26,560 Speaker 1: But Bethany, well, this isn't this is awkward. This is awkward. 507 00:25:26,600 --> 00:25:29,440 Speaker 1: Bethany Uh suggested that we take Denny's back. We think 508 00:25:29,440 --> 00:25:33,320 Speaker 1: it's a great idea. Send my commission check via Jill Fritzo. 509 00:25:33,480 --> 00:25:37,440 Speaker 2: Okay, after though my second season, I also because I 510 00:25:37,480 --> 00:25:40,800 Speaker 2: wanted it to be real, thought how would this make sense? 511 00:25:41,400 --> 00:25:46,399 Speaker 2: If all the women fucking hate me? How how would I. 512 00:25:45,880 --> 00:25:47,560 Speaker 1: Do they hate you? 513 00:25:47,640 --> 00:25:52,600 Speaker 2: Well almost everyone did, except for Garcel and Sutton, but 514 00:25:52,640 --> 00:25:55,920 Speaker 2: everyone else was such an asshole to me that I thought, 515 00:25:56,119 --> 00:25:58,639 Speaker 2: well that, how would it make sense for me to 516 00:25:58,680 --> 00:25:59,520 Speaker 2: go back? If? 517 00:26:00,119 --> 00:26:03,600 Speaker 1: If it's not it makes sense Garcel would go for some reason. 518 00:26:03,720 --> 00:26:07,480 Speaker 2: See that's where I'm you learn the process of what 519 00:26:07,520 --> 00:26:09,760 Speaker 2: the show leads and why I didn't think of it 520 00:26:09,800 --> 00:26:12,240 Speaker 2: as like a real job, which I should have, you know. 521 00:26:12,320 --> 00:26:15,159 Speaker 2: I just thought, Oh, we're just filming fun stuff or 522 00:26:15,440 --> 00:26:18,040 Speaker 2: or even you know, stuff that is dramatic or whatever. 523 00:26:18,640 --> 00:26:21,720 Speaker 2: You know, that's fine too, I don't. I don't care 524 00:26:21,800 --> 00:26:24,760 Speaker 2: if like that stuff comes up. It's more about trying 525 00:26:24,800 --> 00:26:28,520 Speaker 2: to pile on someone and take someone down, yeah, just 526 00:26:28,560 --> 00:26:30,760 Speaker 2: to deflect from what's going on in their life. 527 00:26:31,040 --> 00:26:33,879 Speaker 1: Well there could it seem like you took some hits 528 00:26:33,920 --> 00:26:35,720 Speaker 1: for sure with the Bravo Bravo Bravo. 529 00:26:35,880 --> 00:26:40,439 Speaker 2: So I'm oh that too. Those women they know, so 530 00:26:40,880 --> 00:26:43,760 Speaker 2: they fucked how on. How would I know about it? 531 00:26:44,359 --> 00:26:46,199 Speaker 2: They're the ones that told me to do that. 532 00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:50,800 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, no, that they break the fourth wall. Now, 533 00:26:50,800 --> 00:26:52,640 Speaker 1: they used to know. There was a scene with Kelly 534 00:26:52,640 --> 00:26:55,840 Speaker 1: ben Simone where she kept going Matt, Matt, Matt, Matt, Matt, Matt, Matt, 535 00:26:56,080 --> 00:26:58,399 Speaker 1: the producer's name, because she wanted the scene to stop. 536 00:26:58,960 --> 00:27:01,159 Speaker 1: But they didn't air that because they used to not 537 00:27:01,200 --> 00:27:03,119 Speaker 1: break the fourth wall. They would never let the viewer 538 00:27:03,240 --> 00:27:04,879 Speaker 1: know that there's a camera p Yeah, I know. I 539 00:27:04,920 --> 00:27:07,119 Speaker 1: was told that your scene was one of the first 540 00:27:07,200 --> 00:27:08,320 Speaker 1: breaking of the fourth wall. 541 00:27:08,720 --> 00:27:11,040 Speaker 2: Most women were wonderful at setting me up. 542 00:27:11,520 --> 00:27:13,400 Speaker 1: That was that was the breaking of the fourth wall 543 00:27:13,440 --> 00:27:27,679 Speaker 1: for the first time that I saw. And then the 544 00:27:27,800 --> 00:27:29,720 Speaker 1: question is, what do you think? Do you know about 545 00:27:29,760 --> 00:27:33,280 Speaker 1: this thing that I've been doing, this reality reckoning that I. 546 00:27:32,640 --> 00:27:36,040 Speaker 2: I I don't know. I've heard bits and pieces. 547 00:27:36,240 --> 00:27:38,359 Speaker 1: It's just about that there is. 548 00:27:38,840 --> 00:27:41,640 Speaker 2: I read the Vanity Fair article though before I got here. 549 00:27:41,920 --> 00:27:43,600 Speaker 1: Oh what did you think of that? I mean, it's 550 00:27:43,600 --> 00:27:45,240 Speaker 1: not my article, it's not even I'm not. 551 00:27:45,200 --> 00:27:49,479 Speaker 2: Sing anyone surprised by it. You were, Yeah, only because 552 00:27:49,560 --> 00:27:51,680 Speaker 2: I didn't understand the article. 553 00:27:52,200 --> 00:27:52,760 Speaker 1: What do you mean? 554 00:27:53,480 --> 00:27:57,200 Speaker 2: I didn't think there I'm just going to be brutally honest. 555 00:27:57,840 --> 00:28:00,560 Speaker 2: I didn't think there was new information. I didn't know 556 00:28:00,600 --> 00:28:03,960 Speaker 2: what the point of view of the article was because 557 00:28:04,440 --> 00:28:08,040 Speaker 2: leading out to it, I did see stuff on social 558 00:28:08,119 --> 00:28:10,480 Speaker 2: media that this big article was going to come out, 559 00:28:11,080 --> 00:28:14,040 Speaker 2: and then when I read it, I was quite surprised 560 00:28:14,080 --> 00:28:14,440 Speaker 2: by it. 561 00:28:14,720 --> 00:28:17,720 Speaker 1: But Vanity Fair knows they left a lot of crumbs 562 00:28:17,760 --> 00:28:18,359 Speaker 1: on the floor. 563 00:28:18,760 --> 00:28:20,080 Speaker 2: Everyone could have gotten suit. 564 00:28:20,280 --> 00:28:22,960 Speaker 1: It has to do with lawsuits, but I think it 565 00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:27,000 Speaker 1: also has to do with Vanity Fair is owned by 566 00:28:27,040 --> 00:28:30,600 Speaker 1: Warner Brothers, who owns Shed Media, the company that was 567 00:28:30,600 --> 00:28:35,000 Speaker 1: being talked about in the article, Shed Media New York Housewives, 568 00:28:35,040 --> 00:28:37,480 Speaker 1: Shed Media, and Warner Brothers own Shed and Warner Brothers 569 00:28:37,520 --> 00:28:41,360 Speaker 1: owns Vanity Fair. Well, then why did the article get started? 570 00:28:41,440 --> 00:28:47,360 Speaker 1: I don't know. The reality reckoning is basically about exploitation, 571 00:28:47,600 --> 00:28:53,160 Speaker 1: meaning your relationship, your Bravo, Bravo, your situation, Brandy, exploitation, 572 00:28:53,360 --> 00:28:55,040 Speaker 1: the things that you risk and being in a show 573 00:28:55,120 --> 00:29:00,520 Speaker 1: like that versus scripted and not being compensated, so not 574 00:29:00,600 --> 00:29:04,600 Speaker 1: being really well compensated and no residuals. And it's funny 575 00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:07,000 Speaker 1: because I've taken heat, and first of all, I'm totally 576 00:29:07,040 --> 00:29:11,400 Speaker 1: right because brav has made many changes now with psychologists 577 00:29:11,480 --> 00:29:15,040 Speaker 1: and with drinking policies, and some of the diehard fans 578 00:29:15,040 --> 00:29:17,120 Speaker 1: are saying you bit the hand that fed you. I'm 579 00:29:17,120 --> 00:29:19,000 Speaker 1: saying something that's right, And if I wasn't right, Bravo 580 00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:22,120 Speaker 1: wouldn't be changing their policies, and other streamers that are 581 00:29:22,200 --> 00:29:24,480 Speaker 1: multi billion dollars wouldn't be scrambling to come to me 582 00:29:24,760 --> 00:29:26,640 Speaker 1: to ask me how they could possibly change or what 583 00:29:26,680 --> 00:29:29,920 Speaker 1: I'm doing. So it became bigger and I wasn't necessarily 584 00:29:30,080 --> 00:29:32,560 Speaker 1: looking for this job, but I'm not going to abandon 585 00:29:32,600 --> 00:29:34,520 Speaker 1: all these people that I said something like, you're the 586 00:29:34,560 --> 00:29:35,920 Speaker 1: only one who can help us. You're the only one 587 00:29:35,920 --> 00:29:38,680 Speaker 1: who can do this. So it became bigger than I intended. 588 00:29:38,760 --> 00:29:39,360 Speaker 1: To be honest with. 589 00:29:39,320 --> 00:29:43,160 Speaker 2: You, Well, it's very brave of you to do. 590 00:29:43,040 --> 00:29:44,600 Speaker 1: This, I guess it is. 591 00:29:44,920 --> 00:29:47,320 Speaker 2: It seems like it is. You know, that's a lot 592 00:29:47,520 --> 00:29:49,360 Speaker 2: for you to take on. 593 00:29:50,160 --> 00:29:53,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, because people suing will likely receive settlements and money, 594 00:29:53,560 --> 00:29:55,280 Speaker 1: and the class action will be money. But I'm not 595 00:29:55,320 --> 00:29:56,840 Speaker 1: one of these people. I'm not being paid by any 596 00:29:56,840 --> 00:29:59,680 Speaker 1: of this. I've only taken hits from it. But it 597 00:29:59,680 --> 00:30:02,120 Speaker 1: doesn't or what's important is important and I set it 598 00:30:02,160 --> 00:30:04,600 Speaker 1: and I backed it up. And all these women that 599 00:30:04,680 --> 00:30:07,000 Speaker 1: I asked you those some of those questions, because some 600 00:30:07,040 --> 00:30:08,960 Speaker 1: of these women that I thought were train wrecks on 601 00:30:09,000 --> 00:30:12,520 Speaker 1: television actually seem to be nice people that are raising 602 00:30:12,600 --> 00:30:16,360 Speaker 1: children that were played a role in that machine. They 603 00:30:16,360 --> 00:30:19,280 Speaker 1: played a role there. You know, they walked in vulnerable, 604 00:30:19,320 --> 00:30:21,760 Speaker 1: whether you like her or not. Like different people have 605 00:30:21,880 --> 00:30:24,560 Speaker 1: walked into that whether you like them or not. Some 606 00:30:24,640 --> 00:30:28,080 Speaker 1: of these people have walked into that franchise wounded birds 607 00:30:28,320 --> 00:30:31,200 Speaker 1: absolutely to play the wounded bird role. They were divorced, 608 00:30:31,320 --> 00:30:35,360 Speaker 1: they were cheated on, they were broke, and I think 609 00:30:35,440 --> 00:30:37,360 Speaker 1: that they weren't in the same position as I was 610 00:30:37,360 --> 00:30:39,520 Speaker 1: once I made money where I could walk out anytime. 611 00:30:39,560 --> 00:30:42,040 Speaker 2: They feel desperate that they have to be exactly. 612 00:30:41,720 --> 00:30:44,080 Speaker 1: You walked out. That's why you don't you feel like 613 00:30:44,120 --> 00:30:46,360 Speaker 1: you walked out. You can walk back in. It's your choice. 614 00:30:46,360 --> 00:30:49,720 Speaker 1: You don't need it, right, many women feel like they 615 00:30:49,720 --> 00:30:51,280 Speaker 1: needed and now it's the only place they can. 616 00:30:51,160 --> 00:30:53,680 Speaker 2: Go exactly to make money. No, I get it. 617 00:30:53,760 --> 00:30:56,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, So anyway, and having daughters, I'm sure you get that. 618 00:30:56,560 --> 00:31:02,080 Speaker 1: So what now what about being older vanity marriage? Like, 619 00:31:02,120 --> 00:31:04,480 Speaker 1: what is your life like now? And what's your sort 620 00:31:04,520 --> 00:31:07,000 Speaker 1: of what is your next. 621 00:31:07,880 --> 00:31:12,040 Speaker 2: My life is great. I happily married. I love my husband. 622 00:31:12,200 --> 00:31:16,800 Speaker 2: I'm so grateful that I met him, and we are 623 00:31:17,360 --> 00:31:21,920 Speaker 2: so he's he's my best friend and so connected and 624 00:31:22,080 --> 00:31:27,200 Speaker 2: we're you know, I'm happy. My older girls are you know, 625 00:31:27,240 --> 00:31:30,120 Speaker 2: it's going into that chapter where the older girls are, 626 00:31:30,640 --> 00:31:33,560 Speaker 2: you know, starting to form their young adult life. 627 00:31:34,120 --> 00:31:35,479 Speaker 1: And Aaron's close with the girls. 628 00:31:35,560 --> 00:31:37,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, he's close with the girls. And you know we 629 00:31:37,800 --> 00:31:42,960 Speaker 2: have Eloise, she's twelve, so you know, things are things 630 00:31:43,040 --> 00:31:43,440 Speaker 2: are good. 631 00:31:43,560 --> 00:31:46,280 Speaker 1: And Aaron didn't have kids coming into me and does 632 00:31:46,320 --> 00:31:47,320 Speaker 1: he want did he want? 633 00:31:47,560 --> 00:31:49,600 Speaker 2: Yeah, well Elouise is now his kid. 634 00:31:51,120 --> 00:31:53,080 Speaker 1: Feel you feel like this is your family. 635 00:31:52,800 --> 00:31:56,200 Speaker 2: And you yeah, this is your family. Yeah, No, it's good. 636 00:31:56,760 --> 00:32:01,520 Speaker 2: I'm the type that likes to take That's why I also, 637 00:32:01,600 --> 00:32:05,040 Speaker 2: this job that I have is great. I was never 638 00:32:05,720 --> 00:32:07,800 Speaker 2: you know, had to know exactly where I need to be. 639 00:32:07,960 --> 00:32:11,800 Speaker 2: And I love the excitement of not knowing what job 640 00:32:11,840 --> 00:32:13,440 Speaker 2: I'm going to be doing, not knowing where I'm going 641 00:32:13,520 --> 00:32:16,240 Speaker 2: to film, not knowing who I'm going to be working with. 642 00:32:16,400 --> 00:32:19,479 Speaker 2: I like that about my career and I love that 643 00:32:19,520 --> 00:32:22,520 Speaker 2: part about my job. So I like to be able to, 644 00:32:22,960 --> 00:32:24,160 Speaker 2: you know, do different things. 645 00:32:24,280 --> 00:32:26,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I had insight into you because I 646 00:32:26,560 --> 00:32:29,120 Speaker 1: the woman who produces the show Amy Sugarman. She said, 647 00:32:29,440 --> 00:32:31,160 Speaker 1: if you want to talk to Denise, but I think 648 00:32:31,160 --> 00:32:32,760 Speaker 1: you're going to have to fly there because I don't 649 00:32:32,760 --> 00:32:34,760 Speaker 1: think she's going to fly in here. And I said, 650 00:32:34,800 --> 00:32:37,560 Speaker 1: because I had stuff going on right now and I 651 00:32:37,640 --> 00:32:38,840 Speaker 1: was going to fly in, but it was going to 652 00:32:38,880 --> 00:32:40,440 Speaker 1: be a month. You guys had said you could come 653 00:32:40,440 --> 00:32:43,120 Speaker 1: in November, so I said to I called Jill Fritzo 654 00:32:43,200 --> 00:32:45,200 Speaker 1: and I said, Jill's like famous now she. 655 00:32:45,120 --> 00:32:49,600 Speaker 2: Hates so you don't just say Jill. 656 00:32:49,360 --> 00:32:53,080 Speaker 1: I called you because literally Paul, my fiance, is like 657 00:32:53,120 --> 00:32:57,960 Speaker 1: so j so so Jill Fritzo. I called her and 658 00:32:58,000 --> 00:32:59,960 Speaker 1: I said, I have this feeling Denise and her husband 659 00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:01,880 Speaker 1: like they'd want to take a staycation in New York. 660 00:33:01,920 --> 00:33:03,360 Speaker 1: Like I just feel like they would come and be like, 661 00:33:03,400 --> 00:33:04,880 Speaker 1: let's put them in a nice hotel and like it 662 00:33:04,960 --> 00:33:07,000 Speaker 1: might be an experienced because I heart was like, I 663 00:33:07,000 --> 00:33:08,280 Speaker 1: don't think they're going to want to travel, and I 664 00:33:08,320 --> 00:33:09,560 Speaker 1: was like, I beectually she wouldn't. 665 00:33:09,200 --> 00:33:11,479 Speaker 2: Want so why would they say that they don't know? 666 00:33:11,760 --> 00:33:13,400 Speaker 1: I know. I just had a feeling like I'm the 667 00:33:13,440 --> 00:33:14,760 Speaker 1: type of person that once in a while I want 668 00:33:14,760 --> 00:33:16,680 Speaker 1: an excuse to go somewhere. So it's like, you don't 669 00:33:16,680 --> 00:33:18,000 Speaker 1: have to plan it yourself, you don't have to book 670 00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:21,080 Speaker 1: It is here, you know. And so I was right, 671 00:33:21,120 --> 00:33:25,720 Speaker 1: and I'm taking responsibility for the way that gorgeous. I'm 672 00:33:25,760 --> 00:33:27,280 Speaker 1: so happy, I'm really thrilled.