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Speaker 2: Remember when Florida Gulf Coast was a thing, that was
Speaker 2: dunk City, that was fun Andy Enfield. Then he parlayed
Speaker 2: that into USC and then USC he went to see
Speaker 2: like TCU or SMU. Does that sound right? I'm not
Speaker 2: sure where Andy Enfield is, but I because, uh, maybe
Speaker 2: it's SMU. Yes, it's got some letters in it. He's
Speaker 2: at SMU confirmed. Okay, all right, Tarhels had ninety five points. RJ.
Speaker 2: Davis is right now the active leader in NCAA tournament scoring.
Speaker 2: He's played in eleven tournament games. He's got one hundred
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Speaker 2: He walked five guys, struck out three, and feels like
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Speaker 2: one hundred to one hundred and one hundred. Pritzy's not
Speaker 2: here today, You'll be back tomorrow. Dylan is here offering
Speaker 2: gambling advice Fate Arizona. Nay, yeah, gambling, you know. Luke
Speaker 2: and Charlotte called in. He goes, Uh. Can I ask
Speaker 2: a betting question to Dylan? All right, Luke, go ahead, all.
Speaker 3: Right, Dylan. So, I had a concept, a theory of
Speaker 3: putting ten dollars on every money line underdog in the
Speaker 3: first round. There's a couple that are negative on our
Speaker 3: minus money on both teams. So I think it'd be
Speaker 3: about thirty bets, just straight bets. And I'm pretty sure
Speaker 3: it's like guaranteed to profit something good mover bad mode.
Speaker 4: You're parlaying them or putting ten dollars on each game.
Speaker 2: Oh, Marvin just tongue up money.
Speaker 4: Well, at first I thought he said he was going
Speaker 4: to put a ten dollars parlays what I start to
Speaker 4: thirty games, which is I mean basically as good of
Speaker 4: a guarantee as you'll get them to lose.
Speaker 2: Yes, Yes, you are the king of losing parlays. I am.
Speaker 4: Everyone is kind of the king of losing parlays, though
Speaker 4: I just maybe do it more publicly than.
Speaker 5: The average person.
Speaker 2: It's don't do parlays.
Speaker 4: There's a reason that they really really want you to
Speaker 4: take them.
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, because it looks like, well, that's I get
Speaker 2: six points added to four points. I'm going to win this.
Speaker 2: And it's always the last bet, the last bet of
Speaker 2: your parley, the last leg of your parlay, where you go, hey,
Speaker 2: that one's going to hit. I'm going to win, and
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Speaker 2: We brought up something at the end of last hour,
Speaker 2: and there's a soccer league, the USL here in the
Speaker 2: United States, and they are going to do promotion in relegation.
Speaker 2: You have that with the Premier League and those last
Speaker 2: game most leagues outside the United States. So those last
Speaker 2: couple of games of the last game on the last
Speaker 2: day of the season, and you're either staying up in
Speaker 2: the top tier or you're being relegated. And I have
Speaker 2: said for a long long time to anybody who will
Speaker 2: listen to me, including the head of the SEC and
Speaker 2: the head of the NCAA, relegation would be awesome. In
Speaker 2: college football. Let's say I have sixty teams. Let's say
Speaker 2: that's what the model is going to be, and that
Speaker 2: will be your siri h how about that? Say yeah,
Speaker 2: the sii ah yes, And to stay there, you have
Speaker 2: to maintain being one of the top sixty teams. Now,
Speaker 2: I don't know what's going to decide who gets relegated
Speaker 2: who gets promoted, but I do think having that at
Speaker 2: the end of the year, Let's say you had power
Speaker 2: rankings and you had to be the top sixty. So
Speaker 2: that team that's sixty first or sixty second is waiting
Speaker 2: to see what happens to you in your last game
Speaker 2: of the regular season, and even bowl games. You could
Speaker 2: have bowl games matter and they would really factor in.
Speaker 2: Let's say with some of these teams that you could
Speaker 2: fall out, somebody moves up, you get relegated. Therefore you're
Speaker 2: not playing with the top tier talent. Man, the money
Speaker 2: won't be the same. You have this in you know,
Speaker 2: soccer leagues around the world. Now, the USL is going
Speaker 2: to adopt the Premier League model here with promotion and relegation.
Speaker 2: I don't know how we would do unless we did
Speaker 2: power rankings, but to be able to say, all right,
Speaker 2: these are the top sixty and then the other ones
Speaker 2: after that. You know, if you win the FBS Championship,
Speaker 2: are you now the sixty first team? Like how could
Speaker 2: you move up? Or how do you get relegated? But
Speaker 2: I am fascinated with that model because it makes every
Speaker 2: game important. And imagine if you did this in other sports.
Speaker 2: We talk about the NBA, these games don't matter. What
Speaker 2: if they mattered what all? How about you had a
Speaker 2: team in the G League ready to go that they
Speaker 2: were going to be that next team and they were
Speaker 2: going to move up, and all of a sudden, the
Speaker 2: Charlotte Horne and it's now, are you know, playing in
Speaker 2: Sioux Falls in you know, Maine and some of these places,
Speaker 2: they get relegated. It's not going to happen, but I
Speaker 2: think it could happen in college football? I do, yes, yeah, pulling.
Speaker 6: If this were last year, for example, twenty twenty four
Speaker 6: college football season. There is a thing, an official thing
Speaker 6: called the College Football Power Index each year and it
Speaker 6: goes from week to week, and it's your schedule, your wins,
Speaker 6: your home versus away, your point differential, and last year
Speaker 6: the power rankings. Of course, Ohio State was number one.
Speaker 6: The last team in college football last year would have
Speaker 6: been the Kent State Golden Flashes of the MAC. So
Speaker 6: let's say Kent State got relegated and North Dakota State
Speaker 6: won the FCS title. They have the opportunity or choice
Speaker 6: or whatever or obligation to go up to the MAC
Speaker 6: and join Division One. That would be promotion relegation cleanly
Speaker 6: in college football.
Speaker 2: But we're talking about the top sixty teams.
Speaker 6: Yes, I'm just saying last year.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I don't want to. I want to do
Speaker 2: top sixty.
Speaker 6: Yes, if you did, Okay, So the sixtieth.
Speaker 2: Ranks Kent State was one of the world teams in.
Speaker 6: All of Yes, so last year the sixtieth ranked team,
Speaker 6: wo hoo, man, it may have been the Oklahoma State Cowboys.
Speaker 7: There you go, perfect, perfect a team that could be
Speaker 7: up and sometimes is down.
Speaker 2: They kind of live on that line.
Speaker 7: That is a perfect example of what makes Proro great.
Speaker 2: And if you went into the last game, I just
Speaker 2: I think you could have Now it may not happen,
Speaker 2: like you're not falling out where you're going to be
Speaker 2: playing in minor league towns. You're still going to play,
Speaker 2: but your schedule now you make less money because you're
Speaker 2: not in the upper tier. Now you're playing secondary teams
Speaker 2: with the opportunity to get a good record and a
Speaker 2: power ranking to move up into the top sixty. But
Speaker 2: I think that would be an interesting dynamic if you
Speaker 2: were able to do that all these professional sports that
Speaker 2: we have, like it's nothing's interesting until it gets closer
Speaker 2: to the postseason. Now, it would make all of these games,
Speaker 2: especially if you had college football where you have fourteen games.
Speaker 2: Now every week is important, every single week, and then
Speaker 2: you'll have games that are really important to get into
Speaker 2: the fourteen team playoff, and then you'll have really important
Speaker 2: games to just stay in the top sixty in college football.
Speaker 8: Yes, Marvin, can you imagine the level of the commitments
Speaker 8: that happened if Oklahoma State ends up losing like Oh
Speaker 8: they're relegated that fire stubber cruise and not coming to
Speaker 8: still water.
Speaker 2: Anymore the transfer portal.
Speaker 8: Like nil, Like what happened? Like, oh boy, look at
Speaker 8: all this money we lost.
Speaker 2: But okay, what's this mean for soccer in the United States?
Speaker 2: Because this is something that we don't do well.
Speaker 7: So there's two really main bodies in soccer in the
Speaker 7: United States, MLS and USL, and they're very much competitors,
Speaker 7: and they're very much like sort of in a war
Speaker 7: of trying to gobble up as many cities as they
Speaker 7: can to expand as fast as they can. So USL
Speaker 7: announcing that their instituting pro rel is very much like
Speaker 7: a shot at MLS. It's probably what a lot of
Speaker 7: people would consider to be a more pure form of
Speaker 7: the game. Whereas MLS is a closed league, meaning if
Speaker 7: you lose doesn't really matter, and the only way to
Speaker 7: get in you can't win your way into MLS. You
Speaker 7: have to buy your way in. So in order to
Speaker 7: get into MLS you need about three hundred million dollars,
Speaker 7: a gigantic stadium, and the city that approves.
Speaker 2: You need all these things.
Speaker 7: In a league that has promotion and relegation, you could
Speaker 7: start a team today in Milford and be in that
Speaker 7: soccer pyramid and eventually win your way up to the highest.
Speaker 2: Level like Wrexham is doing with Ryan Reynolds.
Speaker 7: Wrexham is a team that was once at the very
Speaker 7: top of the of soccer in England, top of the table,
Speaker 7: top of the table. Yeah, they're like the Dallas Cowboys
Speaker 7: say they're huge, and then they they lost their way
Speaker 7: all the way down into what's called the National League,
Speaker 7: which is like almost like a semi pro league. It's
Speaker 7: I think five tiers below. And then Ryan Reynolds in
Speaker 7: that group they bought Wrexham and now they've since been
Speaker 7: promoted three i think three straight times, so they've won
Speaker 7: their way back up to the second tier. Now it's
Speaker 7: a massive story. It's a huge thing in soccer. You
Speaker 7: don't really see anything like that to be promoted, you know,
Speaker 7: two three straight times. So they're just outside of championship.
Speaker 7: They're just outside of the Premier League.
Speaker 2: And college football has that soccer atmosphere to it because
Speaker 2: you're talking about communities. You're talking about you know, ann Arbor,
Speaker 2: Michigan and Columbus, Ohio, Baton Rouge, and that's what you
Speaker 2: have with soccer as well, So that passion for your town,
Speaker 2: your city being relegated would be an interesting dynamic to
Speaker 2: add to it.
Speaker 7: Yes, there's definitely an element of civic pride to soccer.
Speaker 7: Like I could compare it to college. You think about
Speaker 7: high school, right, and you had all of the towns
Speaker 7: around you that you really wanted to beat, you had
Speaker 7: rivalries with all your towns. We'll take that and put
Speaker 7: millions of dollars behind it and call it professional.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 7: So say in the NFL, I'm a Patriots fan, but
Speaker 7: I don't really have a connection to the Patriots. I'm
Speaker 7: born in New Jersey, I'm in Connecticut. I'm mostly doing
Speaker 7: it for the bit at this point anyway. But if
Speaker 7: it was the Hartford team that they got to play
Speaker 7: the Patriots, I would be all in because that's my hometown.
Speaker 7: That's where I live. I've lived there for twenty five
Speaker 7: years now, you know. So that's like that when you
Speaker 7: put a team out there, it's like those are our boys,
Speaker 7: and they live in our city and they're representing us,
Speaker 7: and I want them to beat every other city around us.
Speaker 2: Give me the teams that hovered around the sixty mark
Speaker 2: of the top sixty teams in college football.
Speaker 6: So let's say your model of sixty teams, who would
Speaker 6: be in that relegation zone last year?
Speaker 2: Yeah, Oklahoma State is there.
Speaker 5: Yep.
Speaker 6: California Golden Bears would have been fifty fourth. You sell
Speaker 6: a Bruins fifty fifth. The Duke Blue Devils were sixty
Speaker 6: on the nose, the West Virginia Mountaineer sixty three, North
Speaker 6: Carolina tar Heels sixty four. Those are some serious football programs,
Speaker 6: semi serious football programs.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Jack, those games would mean so much.
Speaker 7: It'd be the atmosphere is unreal. And there's no such
Speaker 7: thing as well, not in college football. But if you
Speaker 7: take the NFL or you take the NBA or whatever,
Speaker 7: there's no such thing as tanking. You know, tanking is
Speaker 7: completely eliminated.
Speaker 2: You don't.
Speaker 7: Losing will never ever ever benefit you in a pro
Speaker 7: role model, You'll always have to win.
Speaker 2: Joe and Ohio, Hi, Joe, what's on your mind today?
Speaker 9: Yeah, Conan, about the relegation idea. I've thought about this
Speaker 9: for a while now, and I was thinking, taken to
Speaker 9: sixty four top teams, make eight team divisions. Winners of
Speaker 9: each of those divisions goes on and plays in a
Speaker 9: bowl and the playoffs eighteen playoffs, then take the last
Speaker 9: two teams and relegate them in a bowl game against
Speaker 9: the next thirty two team or the next what is
Speaker 9: that sixteen teams that finished sixty five, seventy whatever, and
Speaker 9: then those teams. If you win, you stay in the
Speaker 9: top tier. If you lose, you go down the team
Speaker 9: that beach it comes up.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's something there. I don't know if we're ready
Speaker 2: for it. But once you have the top football programs
Speaker 2: secede from the Union, I don't know if it's fifty,
Speaker 2: I don't know if it's forty, but you're gonna have
Speaker 2: more playoff spots. But I think you could have all
Speaker 2: the drama at the top with the playoffs and all
Speaker 2: this drama, this build in drama with the teams just
Speaker 2: trying to stay in the top fifty teams. I think
Speaker 2: it'd be I think it'd be a lot of fun.
Speaker 6: Yeah, pulling based off that model. He just said, a
Speaker 6: playoff game to stay in Division one. Last year it
Speaker 6: would have been James Madison versus Duke in a bowl
Speaker 6: game to stay and not get relegated.
Speaker 2: Then you're watching a game that you know, I do
Speaker 2: believe in keeping the ball games, because if you win
Speaker 2: the Orange Bowl, then you're going to be playing in
Speaker 2: the whatever Citrus Bowl or the Rose Bull to get
Speaker 2: a national champion. I still want to, you know, ensure
Speaker 2: the integrity of some of those bowl games, but some
Speaker 2: of these other bowl games, you know, the Pooling Weed
Speaker 2: Eater Bowl. All of a sudden, if you have these
Speaker 2: two schools that they have to win to stay or
Speaker 2: they get relegated.
Speaker 8: Yes, Marvin, does that have to be in somebody's contract
Speaker 8: that you have to play in this bowl game.
Speaker 2: If there's nil? Yes, yes, I need you to play
Speaker 2: Rayah in Detroit.
Speaker 10: Hi Riyah, Hey, Hi Dan, Jillia, how are you doing?
Speaker 2: Hi? Good?
Speaker 10: First time? Long time? Is rather shocking to get through you.
Speaker 10: It's kind of funny. I think I'm supposed to say
Speaker 10: sixteen one to ninety five. So I just I love
Speaker 10: listening to the idea of relegation, just because it's so
Speaker 10: impossible for the idea that the owners professional sports going
Speaker 10: to do that in the United States.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they won't do it, but I'm talking about in college.
Speaker 2: In college football is probably the only model that it
Speaker 2: would work.
Speaker 10: I do have a suggestion for you that I could
Speaker 10: work for professional sports though that I thought would be
Speaker 10: interesting is that with all the revenue sharing, that if
Speaker 10: your team loses or to try and get tanking out
Speaker 10: of the game, you could have revenue sharing proportionate to success.
Speaker 10: So you might get good draft picks by being bad,
Speaker 10: but you might lose out on revenue, which would maybe
Speaker 10: eliminate some of the ideas of tanking. So I just
Speaker 10: thought i'd throw that out there for you guys as
Speaker 10: suggestion for something.
Speaker 2: So I have a great thank you ill do you? Yeah?
Speaker 2: I mean it's fun, but you know, this is what
Speaker 2: leagues need to do. You have to have Baseball has
Speaker 2: done this where you have to say, Okay, what's next,
Speaker 2: what do we need to do? How do we up
Speaker 2: the tension?
Speaker 5: You know?
Speaker 2: When I talked to the commissioner and I suggested to
Speaker 2: him make the NBA players play at least sixty five
Speaker 2: games so they can qualify for postseason awards, he took
Speaker 2: me up on it. Don't have first, second, third team
Speaker 2: positions on all NBA, just basketball player as a basketball player.
Speaker 2: He adopted that as well. I don't know if I
Speaker 2: could suggest to the commissioner and that he hasn't entertained
Speaker 2: it already, and that would be what if you created
Speaker 2: something where you benefit by winning revenue? You win, you
Speaker 2: might get draft picks, you might be in the lottery,
Speaker 2: but you're going to win it one end and lose
Speaker 2: it the other end. I don't know if that ups
Speaker 2: the tension, but I think the NBA should consider these things.
Speaker 2: Baseball is considered a lot of things and down in
Speaker 2: five or ten years from now, we could look back
Speaker 2: and go, that's not the way it was. That's not
Speaker 2: what I grew up. Boy, that's different, Boy, that's unique. Well,
Speaker 2: that's fascinating. This is what happens. Like these things, they
Speaker 2: move at a glacier pace and then all of a
Speaker 2: sudden somebody makes a change. Next thing, you know, we
Speaker 2: just accepted Jim Beheim will join us. Coming up next.
Speaker 2: We'll get more phone calls as well. Back after this.
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Speaker 2: Is Jim Beheim. He's the former Syracuse head coach won
Speaker 2: a national title in two thousand and three. I was
Speaker 2: wondering how many over your basketball career. How many teams
Speaker 2: do you think changed basketball with their style of play?
Speaker 5: What? What is this? This is like a hard question.
Speaker 2: I know, I know, jeez.
Speaker 5: I was going to say, like Jamar Chase would like
Speaker 5: any city he's getting paid fifteen millionf whatever it is.
Speaker 2: I mean, you could live in Syracuse.
Speaker 5: Yeah, God's place on Earth?
Speaker 2: Okay? How many teams changed? College festival? Okay? Okay?
Speaker 5: Could you get rid of some of these things in
Speaker 5: front of you? What is this? Are you selling these things?
Speaker 5: Or what the bible?
Speaker 2: People's like? I have friends I have You're not used
Speaker 2: to this. I have friends who send me stuff and.
Speaker 5: So, yeah, they send the ugly stuff and then you
Speaker 5: put them there. I mean, I'll send you something nice.
Speaker 2: Jeez, what do you what would you send me?
Speaker 5: I'll send you one of my little bracelets I just got.
Speaker 5: I'll send you one of these or something. But anyway,
Speaker 5: changing what teams changing? What change?
Speaker 2: Give me the teams like un L V Georgetown, did
Speaker 2: they change basketball with their style of play? Loyal and Merrymount,
Speaker 2: Come on you you should know all of this.
Speaker 5: Paul west d was unique and he play coach that way,
Speaker 5: and he coached that way Women's and won championships, championship
Speaker 5: for the Lakers. You want a championship in the w
Speaker 5: n b A. People don't know that. It's a little
Speaker 5: known fact. But all you do is run, and it
Speaker 5: really didn't work overall, I don't think, but it was
Speaker 5: unique to him. John Thompson had a style at Georgetown, physical, tough.
Speaker 5: They haven't been so good since he left there. You know.
Speaker 5: Louis had a style at Saint John's half court, play defense,
Speaker 5: and he won more games than anybody there until this
Speaker 5: new guy's there now, pattinom you know, I recruited on
Speaker 5: his honeymoon. But he's got a whole different style. All
Speaker 5: coaches have a different style. Bobby Knight had a style one.
Speaker 5: Dean Smith had a more multiple style, more different things.
Speaker 5: Roy Williams coached like that. But Rick has a certain
Speaker 5: way of playing, and he's I thought it would take
Speaker 5: him a year to two to get to the tournament,
Speaker 5: and he did it as he did in six schools,
Speaker 5: six different schools, losing records at six schools, NCAA tournament
Speaker 5: by the second year, and championships and final fours. He's
Speaker 5: probably the best coach of getting the most out of
Speaker 5: players in the history of basketball. He can take anybody
Speaker 5: and get them to play Louisvina one national championship with
Speaker 5: guys that know not nobody, but very few guys recruited
Speaker 5: his players. The guys at Saint John's not a lot
Speaker 5: of known players, and guys that struggle. Shooting doesn't matter.
Speaker 5: Rick Patino can coach. He'll be coaching when you and
Speaker 5: I are retired. You're I'm retired, but I'm still. I
Speaker 5: don't call doing media stuff working. It's just no, you
Speaker 5: don't call this gurub No. I'm disappointed about my brackets.
Speaker 5: I don't think I'm going to win the bracket this year.
Speaker 5: I just couldn't get a good feel for it. In fact,
Speaker 5: last night I didn't even realize that I'll Alavemba State.
Speaker 5: I was almost pulling for Saint Francis, and then I
Speaker 5: woke up and realized I had Aleman.
Speaker 2: Didn't you win? Do you want it? Last year? Didn't you?
Speaker 5: I killed over? But I picked n C State. I
Speaker 5: knew they were going to do that. I kind of
Speaker 5: picked North Carolina. That's why I'm wearing my North Carolina
Speaker 5: colors here. I picked North Carolina to go away in
Speaker 5: the tournament. This year. I think it's a chalk tournament,
Speaker 5: but I think North Carolina is a lot better teams,
Speaker 5: and everybody in the country says they shouldn't be in.
Speaker 5: They looked at one Metric one twelve in the Quad.
Speaker 5: They didn't look at the fact that they're ahead of
Speaker 5: the bubble teams and ahead of the last four teams
Speaker 5: in the overall combined metrics Ken Palm Net all those
Speaker 5: they're at thirty seven. Those other schools are forty forty one.
Speaker 5: So North Carolina is nine and two the last eleven games.
Speaker 5: Who do they lose to? I picked for the name champ.
Speaker 5: I got to the defense. Malawatch is one of the
Speaker 5: best big defensive centers I've seen in a long time.
Speaker 5: In a long time. He goes back to the like
Speaker 5: Patrick Ewing type defensive centers. People probably don't remember him.
Speaker 5: I can't get more. I get something more modern. But
Speaker 5: you know, con Cain Nipple's tremendous shooting guard. Tremendous shooting guard.
Speaker 5: The kid from Tulane transferred in is really good, a
Speaker 5: physical man. Proctor is really good. And they got the
Speaker 5: best player in the country. You can argue about whatever.
Speaker 5: He's the best player He's the best all round player
Speaker 5: that I've seen since Grant Hill. Grant Hill is the
Speaker 5: only guy that block shots, played defense, made shots, rebounded,
Speaker 5: and passed, and he won a couple of national championships.
Speaker 5: I think it's.
Speaker 2: Always what could have been? You know, I look at
Speaker 2: Grant Hill, what could have been? Because before he had
Speaker 2: all those injuries and surgeries, and you know, he was
Speaker 2: he was special.
Speaker 5: He'd have been one of the top five ten players
Speaker 5: of all time, no doubt about it. They'll never catch Michael,
Speaker 5: but they're all there's so many great players who watched
Speaker 5: the NBA. People knock it, but to watch Steph Curry
Speaker 5: plays is a privilege. Jnas Golkic, did you River Jordan? No, No,
Speaker 5: you know, he was kind of unknown, but I mean
Speaker 5: people kind of knew, but he was from You don't
Speaker 5: go into North Carolina and recruited kid that North Carolina
Speaker 5: wants to get.
Speaker 2: What about Patrick Ewing?
Speaker 5: We were one of the twenty eight schools that visited
Speaker 5: him and is in Boston, and you almost knew he
Speaker 5: was going to Georgetown, but you tried, you know, you tried.
Speaker 5: You know it was but it you know he was
Speaker 5: going to go to Georgetown. It's like Alonzo morning. He
Speaker 5: wanted to visit here, so we brought him in because
Speaker 5: he wanted to visit because his friends with Billy Owens.
Speaker 5: You want to come up. So I said, Anzo, now,
Speaker 5: let's just get this out of the way. Like the
Speaker 5: first day, I said, let's get this out of the
Speaker 5: way so we don't have to talk for two or
Speaker 5: three days. You're going to go to Georgetown, right, he laughed, Yeah, yeah, probably.
Speaker 2: Why did you hate Georgetown so much?
Speaker 5: You know, I never I really didn't hate. It was
Speaker 5: such an intense rivalry and the fans hated. They really hated.
Speaker 5: John and I at first really bumped heads. It was
Speaker 5: so I mean, it was such a big game and
Speaker 5: it was so much on it. But after a few years,
Speaker 5: it took a few years, it kind of mellowed a
Speaker 5: little and mellowed and we became friends and the rivalry
Speaker 5: wasn't what it was. But there was nothing like the
Speaker 5: Big East then. I mean, it was the ACC. It's
Speaker 5: a great league. It's down more than it's ever been
Speaker 5: down right now, because they don't understand about paying athletes.
Speaker 5: They understand that in some of these other leagues they've
Speaker 5: been doing it a while, but they have to pay.
Speaker 5: You have to pay athletes. But the old Big East,
Speaker 5: you played everybody twice, nine schools to start out. Fierce rivalries.
Speaker 5: You know, Rick was talking about this Patino, you know
Speaker 5: he's in the league. Luke Carna, second, Jim Calhoun, John Thompson,
Speaker 5: Rowley Massimino. You know, I think he mentioned me. I'm
Speaker 5: not sure. I think I was sixth Jim behind. But
Speaker 5: you know, Paul Evans was the great coach, was at Pittsburgh.
Speaker 5: PJ who was a great talker, was at Seaton Hall
Speaker 5: and a great coach too. Uh. It was a different league.
Speaker 5: And you know, and when Jay came to Villanova, a
Speaker 5: kid ja all the time. You never won when we
Speaker 5: were there, but he went a lot after that. It
Speaker 5: was a great league and we had a fierce rivalry.
Speaker 5: No lie, no nothing, no question about it. Thirty four
Speaker 5: thousand people came in here to see big John Thompson
Speaker 5: and the game he got thrown out. He was so happy,
Speaker 5: he was just waving to everybody. And you know, thirty
Speaker 5: four thousand people were on their feet. It was a
Speaker 5: great spectacle and I enjoyed being part of it. It
Speaker 5: was just one of a kind and Rick Patino's keeping
Speaker 5: it going. He knows how to coach.
Speaker 2: He's Jim Beheim Hall of Famer. Well, you know, I
Speaker 2: tried to explain Rick Patino. It feels like, you know,
Speaker 2: when he was at Providence and Billy Donovan is playing
Speaker 2: and he had guards, they were shooting three like he
Speaker 2: was ahead of his time with that. Yeah, well he.
Speaker 5: Was ahead of his time. In terms of practicing. They
Speaker 5: worked out in the morning. You know, they come back
Speaker 5: for individual instruction during the day, and then they practice,
Speaker 5: and then they would do study table and then they
Speaker 5: would shoot foul shots at night. It's Saturdays. They practice
Speaker 5: morning afternoon, maybe night Sunday. You can't do that today, I.
Speaker 2: Mean theoretical, not supposed to.
Speaker 5: But it was intense. The coaches worked out. He pushed
Speaker 5: and he still pushes. He demands everything from his player's history.
Speaker 5: Hour practice is as intense as anybody's ever and he
Speaker 5: does all phases of the game, and he understands the game.
Speaker 5: He sees the game better than anybody that I know
Speaker 5: in terms of coaching twenty four hours a day, and
Speaker 5: he he's still probably ran on the limits of the hours.
Speaker 2: Let's not get in trouble here.
Speaker 5: No No, No, he's unfound the rules.
Speaker 2: But I mean, but do you put him up there
Speaker 2: with coach K? Do you put him up there with
Speaker 2: John Wooden?
Speaker 5: Well, John Winn's by himself. He wont to eleven. Forget
Speaker 5: that he's by himself. Coach K is the best coaching
Speaker 5: about an Arab basketball you know, there's no question about it.
Speaker 5: Underrated Jim Calhoun. Media people didn't like him, so they
Speaker 5: don't talk about him. Very underrated. Coach Danny Hurley is
Speaker 5: an up and coming guy in that category. But for
Speaker 5: a guy to take any team, any players, the furthest
Speaker 5: it's Rick Patina, no doubt.
Speaker 2: In my mind, where's still Jackson in that?
Speaker 5: Well, he's an NBA coach. I usually don't really talk
Speaker 5: about NBA coach. He's you know, it's him ran our Back,
Speaker 5: you know Popovich. Those are the NBA coaches and everybody's
Speaker 5: as well. He had great players. Nobody ever won anything
Speaker 5: without a great player. You know, if you win a
Speaker 5: championship in most cases in the NBA, you have a
Speaker 5: great player. You had Jack and Kobe and Jordan and
Speaker 5: Duncan you know named the team that won they had
Speaker 5: a great player or two.
Speaker 2: Do you worry about Danny Hurley being that intense.
Speaker 5: No, No, his father was like that and he's still alive.
Speaker 2: But he was doing high school basketball.
Speaker 5: Bob Hurley was more intense than Danny Hurley. He coached,
Speaker 5: he took he was a probation offer. He took two
Speaker 5: weeks of vacation and coached summer camp all day long
Speaker 5: during summer camp and at night during the summer. He
Speaker 5: coached at night every night. So Danny's like his father.
Speaker 5: He's a little crazier, I think.
Speaker 2: A little bit.
Speaker 5: I'm glad he didn't go in the NBA. I don't
Speaker 5: think it would to work. But he's a great college coach.
Speaker 5: You know, when you lose, you go crazy. That's what
Speaker 5: we do. He just goes. He's always been like that.
Speaker 5: He didn't do it the last two years because he
Speaker 5: had a great team. You don't have to go crazy
Speaker 5: when you have great teams. But when you're losing, you
Speaker 5: tend to look at everything as an insult to you.
Speaker 2: And how many times did you get thrown out of
Speaker 2: a game?
Speaker 5: I only got thrown out of one exhibition game, and
Speaker 5: it was it was in Syracuseton. It was I was
Speaker 5: yelling at one guy and the other guy threw me out.
Speaker 5: What the heck?
Speaker 2: And it was an exhibition game.
Speaker 5: Yeah, exhibition game. It was crazy, But I got, I
Speaker 5: never got. I got. The last twenty years I coached,
Speaker 5: I got maybe ten twelve technicals. Maybe they don't do
Speaker 5: any good.
Speaker 2: How many times do you do it on purpose? Though?
Speaker 5: Most of them? Yeah, they don't do any good and
Speaker 5: it doesn't help you. With the referees, they don't.
Speaker 2: Do they hold a grudge, I don't think so.
Speaker 5: I think most officials you're on them a little bit.
Speaker 5: It's human nature. If you're not on them at all,
Speaker 5: they probably think they're helping you. So you've gotta be
Speaker 5: on it. You know they Why isn't they? And you
Speaker 5: can't tell me that. Guys like John Thompson, Dean Smith,
Speaker 5: they influence referees, trust me, not all, but a lot
Speaker 5: of them.
Speaker 2: Thanks for filling out a bracket and good luck to
Speaker 2: Carolina there. My best of the family is always.
Speaker 5: As always, thank you, and send.
Speaker 2: Me some send me some stuff, send me something, send
Speaker 2: you something better than that. Send me some gear. I mean,
Speaker 2: I don't know, send me something.
Speaker 5: I don't have gear anymore.
Speaker 2: I'll bet you ESPN gear.
Speaker 5: I can tell you that, thank you, coach, thank you.
Speaker 2: That's Jim Beaheim. Of course, his wife loves me. What's
Speaker 2: not the love. We'll take a break, last call for
Speaker 2: phone calls. What we learned once in store tomorrow right
Speaker 2: after this.
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Speaker 2: Jamar Chase plays for the Bengals, and he was to
Speaker 2: ask about why he likes playing in Cincinnati, and here's
Speaker 2: what he had to say.
Speaker 13: For me, I like Cincinnati because it gives me the
Speaker 13: opportunity to come here and focus. No, I'm not distracted
Speaker 13: out here. It's not too much too many things to
Speaker 13: get me and you know, off pace out here, you know,
Speaker 13: and it's strictly what I'm focused on. That's really tone
Speaker 13: vision for me to play football. So I mean, at
Speaker 13: the end of the day, the food's not the best.
Speaker 13: We could work on that, but it's I'm not used
Speaker 13: to the food yet.
Speaker 2: Okay, but for forty million dollars a year, you can
Speaker 2: hire a chef. He's from New Orleans, so let's be fair.
Speaker 2: If you're going to compare Cincinnati cuisine to New Orleans.
Speaker 2: Cincinnati is going to come up just a little bit
Speaker 2: short there. Skyline, gold Star, White Castle, some of the
Speaker 2: great food groups there in Cincinnati. You know, we didn't
Speaker 2: know better. I mean I grew up and I was like,
Speaker 2: pizza hut man. You know, so my wife's from New York.
Speaker 2: She goes, have you had good pizza before? I said
Speaker 2: pizza hut She goes, no, I mean good pizza. I
Speaker 2: go like, what do you mean? And then you go
Speaker 2: to New York and you go, Okay, I get it. Skyline, Chili,
Speaker 2: gold Star Chili. I was fine with all of that,
Speaker 2: White Castle, Hamburgers. I'm good with that. I just didn't
Speaker 2: know that. Once I got out of Ohio, then I
Speaker 2: started to realize that once again, I grew up in
Speaker 2: a household where I thought seafood was Missus Paul's fish sticks.
Speaker 2: I had never had seafood, and so yeah, I know
Speaker 2: I had to develop my palate. Jamar Chase has already
Speaker 2: developed his growing up in New Orleans. So yeah, maybe
Speaker 2: there's not a lot of excitement in Cincinnati, which means
Speaker 2: there's more reason to believe that you can focus and
Speaker 2: lead this team back to the playoffs. He didn't say boring, right,
Speaker 2: You just said that there's not a lot of things
Speaker 2: that will kind of take him off his schedule.
Speaker 6: Yes, I went to Cincinnati for the first time at
Speaker 6: age fourteen. I'd heard about the Skyline Chili Dogs. I
Speaker 6: thought they were fantastic, A big mound of cheese and
Speaker 6: huge chili dogs.
Speaker 2: I was fourteen.
Speaker 6: Yeah, people in all cities get really defensive with their
Speaker 6: home foods.
Speaker 7: Go ahead, Seaton, I'm sorry, there is a little bit
Speaker 7: of like a go ahead, like, oh, you're going to
Speaker 7: sit today, all right?
Speaker 2: Which one Skyline or gold Stars?
Speaker 7: Like, uh, neither.
Speaker 2: But then you have a favorite Hamburger.
Speaker 7: Place or well, yeah, I mean it's not my fault
Speaker 7: that for a city as large and as populated as
Speaker 7: Los Angeles, their main output is a cheap, you know,
Speaker 7: fast food burger place.
Speaker 2: But yeah, how dare you? Seaton goes out of his
Speaker 2: way to mention In and Out Burger.
Speaker 7: It is one of my most favorite I know, I know, oh,
Speaker 7: I know, I'm gonna get for the next New weeks.
Speaker 7: I'm gonna get people very upset that I just don't
Speaker 7: see what's so great about In and Out?
Speaker 10: You just.
Speaker 2: Who ordered for you. Well, that's the problem. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: I didn't take it personally when somebody said they didn't
Speaker 2: like gold Stars Skyline chili, It's like, okay, it's spaghetti
Speaker 2: with chili on it, and you throw cheese. You can
Speaker 2: get a three way four way onions on it. You know,
Speaker 2: it's all right. I'm okay. I survived.
Speaker 4: Yes, Dylan, Well did you survive because you haven't been
Speaker 4: living there for however many years?
Speaker 2: Well, I had lived there long enough that that was
Speaker 2: a food staple that we would.
Speaker 4: Have since he runs on chili.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I'm okay with it. But people get territorial,
Speaker 2: especially pizza. Pizza feels like that's the one seed. Or
Speaker 2: a burger. Yeah, I was in Panama. I went there
Speaker 2: to go undergo stem cell for my body, all this
Speaker 2: inflammation I have. And I'm with the guy who's from
Speaker 2: Ohio's in there for stem cell. He says to my wife,
Speaker 2: and I have you had the burger at the hotel?
Speaker 2: I said, na, He goes, It's the best burger I've
Speaker 2: ever had. And the guy was probably close to seventy
Speaker 2: years of age. And I go, come on, the best burger, goes,
Speaker 2: I promise you. I get done with my stem cell
Speaker 2: treatment and go back to the hotel. I'm there with
Speaker 2: my wife and she goes, do we order the burger?
Speaker 2: I said, I have to. It's the best burger I've
Speaker 2: ever had in my life. It was spectacular and I
Speaker 2: would go back, not for stem cell. I'd go back
Speaker 2: for that burger. It was I don't know what they did,
Speaker 2: it was spectacular and it was where I said to
Speaker 2: my wife, I said, I on three, one, two, take
Speaker 2: a bite, and all of a sudden and I said,
Speaker 2: you go first. She goes no. I said, it's the best,
Speaker 2: and we said at the same time, it's the best
Speaker 2: burger I've ever had.
Speaker 4: How skeptical were you of it actually being any good?
Speaker 11: Oh?
Speaker 2: I mean, I've they have great food in Panama. There
Speaker 2: were great restaurants. I just didn't know at a hotel
Speaker 2: that I'm going to have my best burger ever, but
Speaker 2: I did. By the way, get your brackets in. Do
Speaker 2: I have any updates on celebrities were joining us, PAULI.
Speaker 6: Yeah, A bunch more just turned theirs in, Ross Hooker,
Speaker 6: Jim Parsons, the Lovely and Talented Rebecca Lowe is in
Speaker 6: Joey Vado from Japan, sent his in.
Speaker 2: Okay, he's from Canada, but he's in Japan. Okay, yeah, okay.
Speaker 6: Kevin Mala and Jason Garrett, Johnny Bench is in all right, JB.
Speaker 6: And the Great Brent Musburger is in.
Speaker 2: Hello, you were looking live. I gave Hello friends to Brent.
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Speaker 2: Fritzy reached out to some women using local news anchors
Speaker 2: or Jennifer Lawrence the actress. Yes, no he did not hear.
Speaker 2: That's good. I'm glad we well known college basketball. Yes,
Speaker 2: Jennifer Lawrence knows her hoops. She's from Kentucky. She probably
Speaker 2: does know her hoops. This day in sports history, pool, I'll.
Speaker 6: Just give you one a little hockey. Brett Hall of
Speaker 6: the Saint Louis Blues became the third NHL player to
Speaker 6: score eighty goals in a single season. That was nineteen
Speaker 6: ninety one.
Speaker 2: Character his dad's character, but Brett, He's character as well.
Speaker 2: Let's go around the room. What we learned on the program?
Speaker 2: Dylan in for fritz seat, What did you learn today?
Speaker 4: We should have all bet on unc last.
Speaker 2: I know that's what he said. I said, Why didn't
Speaker 2: you say that yesterday?
Speaker 4: Because hindsight's twenty twenty day.
Speaker 2: Thank you the Seaton.
Speaker 7: Would you learn rgi Thie left college early so we
Speaker 7: didn't have to play basketball.
Speaker 2: I know, not really, Marvin.
Speaker 8: You're not a guy that reads books.
Speaker 2: Paul on the beach, I don't.
Speaker 6: Paul Seaton's a pro well pioneer.
Speaker 2: That's promotion and relegations that we made it out of
Speaker 2: advanced Yes,