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Speaker 3: here we are. This is the Bechdel Cast podcast where

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Speaker 3: Ryan Coogler's favorite movies and take a look at it

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Speaker 3: Like? What am I looking at? This sucks?

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Speaker 2: We meet Kyle Johnson played by Ryan Merriman. He's having

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the Irish Wish. Remember that movie that I'm still

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Speaker 2: Yes, yes, yes, anyway, so Kyle asks his mom and

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Speaker 2: or something, and then like random vegetables kind of loosely

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00:24:32,080 --> 00:24:36,240
Speaker 2: scattered throughout, and it served in this enormous bowl that's

436
00:24:36,400 --> 00:24:40,120
Speaker 2: lined with romaine lettuce leaves.

437
00:24:40,400 --> 00:24:44,399
Speaker 3: Like it is horrible. It's it's horrifect horrible. But I

438
00:24:44,520 --> 00:24:47,160
Speaker 3: also I was like, shout out to whatever prop master

439
00:24:48,560 --> 00:24:52,520
Speaker 3: came up with that, because it was it was really amazing.

440
00:24:52,800 --> 00:24:56,440
Speaker 3: I was. I was so impressed. But yeah, but I

441
00:24:56,560 --> 00:24:59,800
Speaker 3: did like that for a portion. And again, this movie,

442
00:25:00,160 --> 00:25:02,720
Speaker 3: anything that you like about this movie will prove to

443
00:25:02,800 --> 00:25:07,119
Speaker 3: be inconsistent as the movie goes on. But but I

444
00:25:07,240 --> 00:25:10,879
Speaker 3: did sort of like the like that this like aggressive

445
00:25:11,080 --> 00:25:16,240
Speaker 3: like we're not anything, We're American is presented like a

446
00:25:16,359 --> 00:25:21,399
Speaker 3: horror movie, because uh yeah, that is you know, not

447
00:25:21,600 --> 00:25:25,000
Speaker 3: far off right, because it's just I mean, the thing

448
00:25:25,040 --> 00:25:27,240
Speaker 3: that this movie won't do that we'll talk about is

449
00:25:27,320 --> 00:25:31,880
Speaker 3: like acknowledge like it. I feel like multiple times they

450
00:25:32,200 --> 00:25:37,200
Speaker 3: walk right up to the line of acknowledging colonialism, but

451
00:25:37,520 --> 00:25:41,120
Speaker 3: and then not quite then back off and say Americans

452
00:25:41,240 --> 00:25:44,440
Speaker 3: believe in baseball, and they're like, well, what the hell

453
00:25:44,680 --> 00:25:50,119
Speaker 3: like you like, it's so close, and multiple instances of

454
00:25:50,320 --> 00:25:55,119
Speaker 3: genocidal colonialism as well. It's like American colonialism, English colonialism

455
00:25:55,280 --> 00:25:59,760
Speaker 3: of Ireland like, but instead it's just kind of vaguefied

456
00:25:59,800 --> 00:26:04,119
Speaker 3: and to like, we had some difficult times, but we

457
00:26:04,200 --> 00:26:06,960
Speaker 3: were resilient and now you're fine, and you're like, Okay,

458
00:26:07,760 --> 00:26:13,440
Speaker 3: what was the what happened? What happened? And that's you

459
00:26:13,560 --> 00:26:15,560
Speaker 3: know where Disney draws the line. They're not about to

460
00:26:15,600 --> 00:26:16,439
Speaker 3: talk about what.

461
00:26:16,720 --> 00:26:22,240
Speaker 2: Happened, certainly not and certainly not in two thousand and one. Okay,

462
00:26:22,359 --> 00:26:25,920
Speaker 2: So Kyle is curious. His parents keep being like, no,

463
00:26:26,160 --> 00:26:29,320
Speaker 2: that's we're American, so shut the hell off.

464
00:26:29,359 --> 00:26:31,920
Speaker 3: We're from Cleveland again, and a very funny joke.

465
00:26:32,680 --> 00:26:35,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, that maybe goes on for too long, but they

466
00:26:35,400 --> 00:26:36,440
Speaker 2: talk about it all the time.

467
00:26:36,600 --> 00:26:40,440
Speaker 3: Until the very end of the movie they're still I'm like, okay, okay, yeah,

468
00:26:40,480 --> 00:26:41,440
Speaker 3: But anyways.

469
00:26:41,880 --> 00:26:46,159
Speaker 2: Either way, Kyle can't help but feel like there's something

470
00:26:46,240 --> 00:26:50,359
Speaker 2: his parents are not telling him. Also, Kyle has a

471
00:26:51,080 --> 00:26:56,800
Speaker 2: Chekhov's Lucky Coin necklace thing which he takes to his

472
00:26:56,920 --> 00:27:01,720
Speaker 2: basketball game where he made makes a lucky shot. It

473
00:27:01,880 --> 00:27:05,480
Speaker 2: wins his team the big game and they're gonna go

474
00:27:05,520 --> 00:27:08,640
Speaker 2: to the championships. And then the next day he takes

475
00:27:08,640 --> 00:27:11,080
Speaker 2: a test at school and he guesses all the correct

476
00:27:11,200 --> 00:27:14,840
Speaker 2: answers by pure luck. So he's a lucky guy.

477
00:27:15,800 --> 00:27:18,359
Speaker 3: Although at some point I felt like it got confusing

478
00:27:18,440 --> 00:27:22,280
Speaker 3: where it's like the it stands for the luck of

479
00:27:22,359 --> 00:27:25,800
Speaker 3: the Irish, which again is like pretty laden in tropes

480
00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:29,560
Speaker 3: around Irish people, but also at some points it seems

481
00:27:29,600 --> 00:27:32,399
Speaker 3: to in conversations with Bonnie, it seems to sort of

482
00:27:32,440 --> 00:27:35,280
Speaker 3: be the lucky coin stands in for like white.

483
00:27:35,080 --> 00:27:36,120
Speaker 2: Privilege, white privilege.

484
00:27:36,400 --> 00:27:40,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, but kind of only in that one scene where

485
00:27:40,560 --> 00:27:42,680
Speaker 3: she's like, oh, well, you never have to try, like

486
00:27:42,920 --> 00:27:44,840
Speaker 3: you know, some of us actually have to try, and

487
00:27:44,920 --> 00:27:46,760
Speaker 3: it feels like she's talking about white privilege. But then

488
00:27:46,840 --> 00:27:49,200
Speaker 3: that kind of just goes away and you're like well,

489
00:27:49,320 --> 00:27:51,159
Speaker 3: that was like many things in this movie, We're like,

490
00:27:51,200 --> 00:27:53,520
Speaker 3: that was an interesting idea, we will not be saying

491
00:27:53,560 --> 00:27:53,920
Speaker 3: it again.

492
00:27:54,440 --> 00:27:58,639
Speaker 2: Yeah. That immediately tapers off and goes nowhere. Yes, yeah, okay.

493
00:27:58,680 --> 00:28:02,480
Speaker 2: So that night he asks his parents again where their

494
00:28:02,520 --> 00:28:05,159
Speaker 2: ancestors are from, and this is where we get the

495
00:28:05,240 --> 00:28:08,920
Speaker 2: scene with the disgusting bowls.

496
00:28:09,960 --> 00:28:10,160
Speaker 3: Yeah.

497
00:28:10,280 --> 00:28:16,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, and again his parents dodge the question. So at

498
00:28:16,080 --> 00:28:20,320
Speaker 2: school the next day he goes on www dot Internet

499
00:28:20,400 --> 00:28:25,679
Speaker 2: search website dot com, slash two thousand and one, every movie.

500
00:28:25,800 --> 00:28:29,920
Speaker 3: Every Yeah, He's like, what is what? Who is my dad?

501
00:28:30,240 --> 00:28:34,600
Speaker 3: Like that's sort of yes.

502
00:28:35,240 --> 00:28:40,440
Speaker 2: And then the girl at school who keeps hounding him

503
00:28:40,880 --> 00:28:44,080
Speaker 2: about Bonnie the Heritage Day assembly, This is Bonnie Lopez.

504
00:28:45,040 --> 00:28:48,480
Speaker 2: She sees him struggling, so she tries to help. But

505
00:28:48,640 --> 00:28:51,920
Speaker 2: Kyle's last name is Johnson, which of course is one

506
00:28:51,960 --> 00:28:55,160
Speaker 2: of the most common names in the US, So he

507
00:28:55,200 --> 00:28:58,360
Speaker 2: cannot find anything. There's like four million hits on his search,

508
00:28:59,120 --> 00:29:03,280
Speaker 2: and he does not know his mother's maide a name.

509
00:29:03,360 --> 00:29:06,000
Speaker 2: He says something like, yeah, I've never really thought about

510
00:29:06,080 --> 00:29:08,640
Speaker 2: my mom's side of the family, and it's like, oh,

511
00:29:08,840 --> 00:29:12,120
Speaker 2: do you not consider women at all?

512
00:29:12,200 --> 00:29:15,880
Speaker 3: People? And also like seeing his dad I'm like, this

513
00:29:16,080 --> 00:29:18,800
Speaker 3: is the interesting person in your family. Oh my gosh,

514
00:29:19,120 --> 00:29:22,840
Speaker 3: it is like the most like stereotypical, like Dufus Disney dad.

515
00:29:23,360 --> 00:29:28,320
Speaker 3: Oh my god, ever, I'm from Cleveland whatever. And of

516
00:29:28,400 --> 00:29:30,640
Speaker 3: course this will come up with Bonnie multiple times. But

517
00:29:30,800 --> 00:29:35,320
Speaker 3: like Bonnie good potential for a character, right, But like,

518
00:29:35,520 --> 00:29:39,040
Speaker 3: the thing with Bonnie is that her whole you know,

519
00:29:39,200 --> 00:29:42,760
Speaker 3: she is in charge of heritage day all this stuff,

520
00:29:43,080 --> 00:29:48,120
Speaker 3: and we never find out what herriage, anything about her heritage.

521
00:29:48,800 --> 00:29:51,719
Speaker 3: We find out at the end that her and Kyle's

522
00:29:51,760 --> 00:29:57,160
Speaker 3: other friend, Russell, who is black, they both have fathers.

523
00:29:57,280 --> 00:29:58,800
Speaker 3: That's the reveal at the end of the movie. They

524
00:29:58,840 --> 00:30:01,000
Speaker 3: both have fathers, and you're it's just like, okay, but

525
00:30:01,080 --> 00:30:03,120
Speaker 3: you never learned anything about their heritage except for a

526
00:30:03,280 --> 00:30:06,040
Speaker 3: very weird line of dialogue that we'll get to oh later,

527
00:30:06,280 --> 00:30:06,720
Speaker 3: trust me.

528
00:30:07,400 --> 00:30:12,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay. So Kyle is like, why don't I know

529
00:30:12,440 --> 00:30:16,520
Speaker 2: anything about my family's heritage. So he keeps digging around.

530
00:30:16,880 --> 00:30:20,880
Speaker 2: He looks through his dad's yearbook and newspaper clippings and

531
00:30:20,960 --> 00:30:23,240
Speaker 2: like his birth certificate or something. I don't know, but

532
00:30:23,520 --> 00:30:27,720
Speaker 2: he discovers that his dad's last name wasn't originally Johnson,

533
00:30:28,200 --> 00:30:29,600
Speaker 2: but Smith.

534
00:30:29,880 --> 00:30:32,480
Speaker 3: And You're like, is he a spy? Is he cool?

535
00:30:32,600 --> 00:30:35,560
Speaker 2: The answer is no, no, And I don't even does

536
00:30:35,640 --> 00:30:38,480
Speaker 2: this even come back? Why did he change his name?

537
00:30:39,280 --> 00:30:43,400
Speaker 3: It's they changed They changed it so that they wouldn't Okay,

538
00:30:43,440 --> 00:30:47,320
Speaker 3: this is confusing, Like they they said later that there

539
00:30:47,560 --> 00:30:50,400
Speaker 3: is and this is like again based in something real,

540
00:30:50,480 --> 00:30:53,360
Speaker 3: but the way they're describing it is so incoherent, where

541
00:30:53,680 --> 00:31:00,480
Speaker 3: they're like, oh, like leprechauns don't accept leprechaun's marry non

542
00:31:00,640 --> 00:31:05,480
Speaker 3: leprechaun like you can't have marriages with non leprechauns, which

543
00:31:05,960 --> 00:31:12,400
Speaker 3: does come off a bit anti irish, but that they like, Okay.

544
00:31:12,480 --> 00:31:13,960
Speaker 3: This is where I get confused, because I think that

545
00:31:14,080 --> 00:31:17,240
Speaker 3: they changed their names so that they would they could

546
00:31:17,320 --> 00:31:22,560
Speaker 3: like live in cognito mode. But they also moved to

547
00:31:22,760 --> 00:31:26,960
Speaker 3: the town where her father owns a very successful potato

548
00:31:27,160 --> 00:31:29,720
Speaker 3: chip factory. So I'm like, why did they not move

549
00:31:29,840 --> 00:31:30,760
Speaker 3: somewhere else?

550
00:31:31,320 --> 00:31:35,920
Speaker 2: Well, I think they moved their first to Utah, and

551
00:31:35,920 --> 00:31:39,520
Speaker 2: then the father follows them but doesn't try to interact

552
00:31:39,560 --> 00:31:39,960
Speaker 2: with them.

553
00:31:39,920 --> 00:31:41,600
Speaker 3: At all, and so I'm like, well, then why the

554
00:31:41,720 --> 00:31:47,760
Speaker 3: hell did he do that? And why I mean the

555
00:31:47,840 --> 00:31:50,000
Speaker 3: potato chip of it all is so funny. And also

556
00:31:50,520 --> 00:31:56,040
Speaker 3: Bonnie is so like smartgirl dot jpeg that she knows

557
00:31:56,200 --> 00:31:59,480
Speaker 3: things that you're like, what the hell who told you that?

558
00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:02,560
Speaker 3: Where she when they get to the potato chip factory

559
00:32:02,600 --> 00:32:05,400
Speaker 3: because listeners, there is a climactic scene at the potato

560
00:32:05,480 --> 00:32:09,360
Speaker 3: chip factory where she's like, actually, potato chips were invented

561
00:32:09,440 --> 00:32:11,160
Speaker 3: over one hundred years ago. I'm like, why do you

562
00:32:11,320 --> 00:32:14,400
Speaker 3: know when potato chips were invented? You can't just be

563
00:32:14,920 --> 00:32:20,280
Speaker 3: like anyways, and it's not even Irish, it's just whatever,

564
00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:21,400
Speaker 3: It's fine.

565
00:32:21,440 --> 00:32:25,120
Speaker 2: It's so confusing, Okay. So Kyle learns that there's some

566
00:32:25,360 --> 00:32:28,040
Speaker 2: mystery with his family name, and so he and his

567
00:32:28,160 --> 00:32:32,360
Speaker 2: friend Russell speculate why his dad might have changed his

568
00:32:32,520 --> 00:32:35,160
Speaker 2: last name. And this is all happening while they're shooting

569
00:32:35,200 --> 00:32:39,240
Speaker 2: hoops because they wedge basketball in every chance they.

570
00:32:39,200 --> 00:32:41,080
Speaker 3: Get anywhere, anywhere possible.

571
00:32:42,640 --> 00:32:49,160
Speaker 2: And then Kyle sees a sign advertising this like Irish

572
00:32:49,640 --> 00:32:56,120
Speaker 2: fair thing yeah that this guy named Seamus McTiernan runs.

573
00:32:56,040 --> 00:32:58,840
Speaker 3: Who randomly ends up being the villain, although it takes

574
00:32:58,920 --> 00:32:59,960
Speaker 3: a really long time.

575
00:33:00,720 --> 00:33:06,160
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, and so on this sign is a

576
00:33:06,320 --> 00:33:11,200
Speaker 2: symbol that matches the symbol that's on Kyle's lucky coin.

577
00:33:11,920 --> 00:33:14,880
Speaker 2: So Kyle is like, what am I Irish? And so

578
00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:16,560
Speaker 2: they go to this Irish fair.

579
00:33:16,760 --> 00:33:19,400
Speaker 3: It also is so funny to be that, Like, I

580
00:33:19,440 --> 00:33:21,960
Speaker 3: don't know, maybe it's because I grew up in a

581
00:33:22,240 --> 00:33:26,080
Speaker 3: very like high concentrated Irish Italian area, but the fact

582
00:33:26,120 --> 00:33:31,200
Speaker 3: that he's like shocked that he could be Irish, I'm like,

583
00:33:31,800 --> 00:33:38,480
Speaker 3: it's it can't be that shocking. That's so it's I'm

584
00:33:38,600 --> 00:33:41,240
Speaker 3: like trying to think of an equally ludicrous thing for

585
00:33:41,360 --> 00:33:45,160
Speaker 3: him to be shocked by. But he's like, I'm Irish.

586
00:33:45,960 --> 00:33:52,760
Speaker 3: You're like, I mean, yeah, you're Ryan Merriman. He also

587
00:33:52,920 --> 00:33:57,920
Speaker 3: looks Irish. Yeah, his mom has red hair, Like he's like,

588
00:33:58,000 --> 00:34:01,400
Speaker 3: I'm Irish. Anyways, well, he never noticed his mom's hair

589
00:34:01,480 --> 00:34:03,640
Speaker 3: because he never noticed his mom before because he does

590
00:34:03,720 --> 00:34:06,440
Speaker 3: not consider women to be people. Yeah he said he

591
00:34:07,440 --> 00:34:10,879
Speaker 3: he said, women actually aren't people to me, And you're like, oh,

592
00:34:11,080 --> 00:34:11,799
Speaker 3: got it got him?

593
00:34:11,800 --> 00:34:14,960
Speaker 2: Oh I see Okay. So at the fair, they meet

594
00:34:15,160 --> 00:34:20,600
Speaker 2: an old irishman who keeps carrying on about Kyle's shoes,

595
00:34:21,480 --> 00:34:25,200
Speaker 2: and he mentions Kyle's mom there's this weird thing with

596
00:34:25,560 --> 00:34:32,520
Speaker 2: cgi quarters, and then the old irishman mysteriously disappears, and

597
00:34:32,560 --> 00:34:34,760
Speaker 2: so we're like, okay, we're getting kind of like plot

598
00:34:34,840 --> 00:34:43,400
Speaker 2: Wich vibes, except it's a plot man man, which yes, okay.

599
00:34:43,520 --> 00:34:48,040
Speaker 2: So then some step dancers start performing, led by the

600
00:34:48,160 --> 00:34:53,279
Speaker 2: man who runs this fair, shamous McTiernan played by Timothy Omendsen,

601
00:34:54,400 --> 00:34:57,600
Speaker 2: who is like in things like he was in psych

602
00:34:57,920 --> 00:34:59,280
Speaker 2: and he's in some other stones.

603
00:34:59,360 --> 00:35:01,640
Speaker 3: Yeah. G was like, I love this guy.

604
00:35:02,239 --> 00:35:05,239
Speaker 2: I don't know, You're like, oh yeah, sure. And so

605
00:35:05,440 --> 00:35:09,920
Speaker 2: Kyle starts like doing the dance along with all these dancers,

606
00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:14,160
Speaker 2: like he somehow instinctively knows all the steps, which.

607
00:35:14,040 --> 00:35:21,120
Speaker 3: I again, it's presenting like I'm displaying symptoms of irishness, like.

608
00:35:22,719 --> 00:35:24,200
Speaker 2: He's having an Irish outbreak.

609
00:35:24,560 --> 00:35:30,759
Speaker 3: Uncontrollable step dancing, It's like it's iconic. It's iconic, the

610
00:35:30,880 --> 00:35:35,200
Speaker 3: uncontrollable step dancing. It's like, I'm you know, Irish SLISters

611
00:35:35,520 --> 00:35:38,239
Speaker 3: is very possible. I don't know, You're like, am I

612
00:35:38,320 --> 00:35:42,200
Speaker 3: offended by it? It's hard, it's hard. It's just so silly.

613
00:35:43,080 --> 00:35:44,360
Speaker 2: It's so so silly.

614
00:35:44,800 --> 00:35:45,040
Speaker 3: Yeah.

615
00:35:45,760 --> 00:35:49,000
Speaker 2: So he's dancing, but then someone bumps into him and

616
00:35:49,080 --> 00:35:51,600
Speaker 2: knocks him on the ground, and then they help him

617
00:35:51,680 --> 00:35:54,120
Speaker 2: up and they're kind of like man handling him a bit,

618
00:35:54,200 --> 00:35:57,560
Speaker 2: and we're like, hmmm, what was that all about. Don't worry,

619
00:35:57,680 --> 00:36:02,759
Speaker 2: we'll find out soon. But before then, his mother, Kate,

620
00:36:03,960 --> 00:36:09,919
Speaker 2: seemingly apropos of nothing, suddenly has an Irish accent. She's

621
00:36:10,040 --> 00:36:14,799
Speaker 2: cooking traditional Irish food for breakfast. She has unleashed her

622
00:36:15,080 --> 00:36:19,439
Speaker 2: curly red hair, and she's like, by the way, Kyle,

623
00:36:19,719 --> 00:36:22,480
Speaker 2: I've decided to tell you that me family came from Ireland.

624
00:36:23,239 --> 00:36:27,520
Speaker 2: And he's like, oh, okay, what what?

625
00:36:28,200 --> 00:36:32,400
Speaker 3: He cannot believe it. I cannot believe his white Irish

626
00:36:32,480 --> 00:36:35,400
Speaker 3: family with red hair is from Ireland.

627
00:36:36,000 --> 00:36:40,920
Speaker 2: I also don't understand why she changed her mind all

628
00:36:40,920 --> 00:36:43,399
Speaker 2: of a sudden. Is it because of the coin thing?

629
00:36:43,600 --> 00:36:46,320
Speaker 3: I think it's again, it's like, the rules are so unclear.

630
00:36:46,560 --> 00:36:49,960
Speaker 3: I thought I thought that the rules of being Irish,

631
00:36:50,040 --> 00:36:53,799
Speaker 3: but like, also it fully conflates being Irish with being

632
00:36:53,840 --> 00:36:57,520
Speaker 3: a straight up leprechaun. Like I couldn't I couldn't tell

633
00:36:57,520 --> 00:36:59,799
Speaker 3: if this movie in the world this movie takes place

634
00:36:59,840 --> 00:37:02,480
Speaker 3: in regular Irish people exist.

635
00:37:02,920 --> 00:37:07,200
Speaker 2: Or right or all Irish people. Leprechauns is a leprechaun movie.

636
00:37:07,480 --> 00:37:10,560
Speaker 3: There's also confusing rules around, like when you can see

637
00:37:10,600 --> 00:37:12,600
Speaker 3: a Leprechun versus when you can't. At the at the

638
00:37:12,800 --> 00:37:16,040
Speaker 3: climax of this movie, the grandfather Leprechaun is just sitting

639
00:37:16,200 --> 00:37:19,400
Speaker 3: on top of a basketball hoop, and so I I

640
00:37:19,719 --> 00:37:21,880
Speaker 3: was like trying to get there, and I'm like, oh,

641
00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:26,080
Speaker 3: probably only other leprechauns can see him. Question work. But

642
00:37:26,120 --> 00:37:29,040
Speaker 3: then Russell just walks up to him and is like hey,

643
00:37:29,440 --> 00:37:32,200
Speaker 3: and I was like, okay, so everyone can see him

644
00:37:32,239 --> 00:37:36,880
Speaker 3: and no one cares. Yeah, the rules are I mean,

645
00:37:36,960 --> 00:37:40,439
Speaker 3: it's you'll, You're just there's there's no point in trying

646
00:37:40,440 --> 00:37:42,920
Speaker 3: to understand the rules because there's no rules. But I

647
00:37:43,200 --> 00:37:47,839
Speaker 3: I thought that the mom was becoming uncontrollably irish as

648
00:37:47,920 --> 00:37:50,719
Speaker 3: a symptom of being irish. I thought it was like

649
00:37:51,080 --> 00:37:55,160
Speaker 3: she she's like, you know, she can't control it. It couldn't.

650
00:37:55,200 --> 00:37:57,560
Speaker 3: I didn't interpret it as a decision she was making

651
00:37:58,040 --> 00:38:01,400
Speaker 3: well because which is not great for agency of women,

652
00:38:01,440 --> 00:38:02,680
Speaker 3: which is what the show is about.

653
00:38:04,440 --> 00:38:07,840
Speaker 2: This is true. I okay, here's my best guess. Okay,

654
00:38:08,480 --> 00:38:12,600
Speaker 2: her suddenly displaying her irishness.

655
00:38:12,640 --> 00:38:14,400
Speaker 3: But also not irishness.

656
00:38:14,520 --> 00:38:16,479
Speaker 2: It's she's leprechaunness.

657
00:38:16,920 --> 00:38:20,040
Speaker 3: Yes, it's like being Irish is a symptom that could

658
00:38:20,200 --> 00:38:23,920
Speaker 3: lead to becoming a leprechaun. That's sort of the because she,

659
00:38:24,080 --> 00:38:28,640
Speaker 3: I guess she did first embrace like very broad iris,

660
00:38:28,719 --> 00:38:33,920
Speaker 3: like Irish food, and uh, her hair is out and

661
00:38:34,080 --> 00:38:37,200
Speaker 3: she has an accent, but then it's presented as like

662
00:38:37,320 --> 00:38:40,920
Speaker 3: and the symptoms continued to worsen, and then she became

663
00:38:40,960 --> 00:38:45,080
Speaker 3: a leprechaun. So here's what it is. Maybe okay, try

664
00:38:45,280 --> 00:38:46,360
Speaker 3: yeah anything.

665
00:38:47,120 --> 00:38:52,040
Speaker 2: Her displaying these quote unquote Irish slash leprechaun because the

666
00:38:52,120 --> 00:38:56,040
Speaker 2: movie does not know the distinction between the two traits.

667
00:38:56,760 --> 00:39:01,440
Speaker 2: Coincides with Kyle losing his coin, which he doesn't know

668
00:39:01,520 --> 00:39:04,399
Speaker 2: that he has lost it yet, but it happens at

669
00:39:04,480 --> 00:39:06,600
Speaker 2: the fair because it gets stolen. We'll find that out.

670
00:39:07,080 --> 00:39:09,279
Speaker 2: And then that seems to be the moment that his

671
00:39:09,480 --> 00:39:12,840
Speaker 2: mom and the whole thing is that the coin allows

672
00:39:12,960 --> 00:39:18,200
Speaker 2: this family to hide their leprechaun features, such as their

673
00:39:18,320 --> 00:39:23,400
Speaker 2: very short stature and their Irish accents. That's why the

674
00:39:23,520 --> 00:39:26,080
Speaker 2: coin is so important. And then when he loses it,

675
00:39:27,000 --> 00:39:30,080
Speaker 2: that's when his mom is no longer able to like,

676
00:39:30,239 --> 00:39:33,279
Speaker 2: quote unquote pass as a human right.

677
00:39:33,360 --> 00:39:35,239
Speaker 3: I mean, it's like that's fine. I mean, this movie

678
00:39:35,280 --> 00:39:38,920
Speaker 3: there's so many reads of this movie, and the movie

679
00:39:39,280 --> 00:39:41,600
Speaker 3: just never really decides on what.

680
00:39:41,920 --> 00:39:44,920
Speaker 2: Well, no, the movie like the grandpa does say that

681
00:39:45,280 --> 00:39:47,160
Speaker 2: he's like, the coin is what we use.

682
00:39:47,320 --> 00:39:48,719
Speaker 3: Well, yes, he literally.

683
00:39:48,440 --> 00:39:50,840
Speaker 2: Says, like that's how we pass as human, I know,

684
00:39:51,080 --> 00:39:52,040
Speaker 2: the lucky coin.

685
00:39:52,400 --> 00:39:56,239
Speaker 3: But it's like, but that also kind of but that

686
00:39:56,520 --> 00:39:59,720
Speaker 3: read which they state, also for me kind of chafed

687
00:39:59,760 --> 00:40:03,000
Speaker 3: with the Body Horror read, which they also state, and

688
00:40:03,200 --> 00:40:06,279
Speaker 3: like it just feels like there's a little bit of

689
00:40:06,320 --> 00:40:08,320
Speaker 3: mixed messaging of like should we be proud to be

690
00:40:08,440 --> 00:40:12,080
Speaker 3: irish or not? Like it's, oh, we're so confusing because yeah,

691
00:40:12,080 --> 00:40:14,000
Speaker 3: I wrote, like you know, there's a read of this

692
00:40:14,080 --> 00:40:16,320
Speaker 3: movie that's like a coming of age body horror. And

693
00:40:16,400 --> 00:40:18,560
Speaker 3: then there's the one that like, being a leprechaun is

694
00:40:18,600 --> 00:40:21,520
Speaker 3: a metaphor for being a descendant of an immigrant culture

695
00:40:21,560 --> 00:40:24,120
Speaker 3: that's been forced to assimilate, but it's still an unavoidable

696
00:40:24,160 --> 00:40:26,080
Speaker 3: part of who you are, and that's nothing to be

697
00:40:26,160 --> 00:40:29,000
Speaker 3: ashamed of. And you can't at some point, you can't

698
00:40:29,120 --> 00:40:31,960
Speaker 3: tide where you come from, even if you don't fully

699
00:40:32,160 --> 00:40:35,320
Speaker 3: understand why you are the way you are, and that

700
00:40:35,400 --> 00:40:38,480
Speaker 3: there is this you know, inherent disconnect if you are

701
00:40:39,000 --> 00:40:42,640
Speaker 3: isolated from your native culture. And then there's the one

702
00:40:42,680 --> 00:40:45,200
Speaker 3: where it's like I'm so short now and I'm scared,

703
00:40:46,320 --> 00:40:49,879
Speaker 3: Like it's so confusing. I love this movie.

704
00:40:49,960 --> 00:40:53,560
Speaker 2: I think wait right, it's like and maybe this is

705
00:40:53,640 --> 00:40:56,040
Speaker 2: us getting ahead of ourselves, but the movie is trying

706
00:40:56,120 --> 00:41:00,439
Speaker 2: to be like, America is a culturally diverse melt pot,

707
00:41:00,560 --> 00:41:02,600
Speaker 2: and that's part of what makes it great.

708
00:41:03,120 --> 00:41:05,880
Speaker 3: But then it's also like, also, being American is a

709
00:41:06,000 --> 00:41:10,000
Speaker 3: distinct identity and it's important that you adhere to it.

710
00:41:10,400 --> 00:41:12,080
Speaker 3: It's very confusing, and.

711
00:41:13,040 --> 00:41:17,520
Speaker 2: Our cultural differences should be celebrated. But also if you

712
00:41:17,719 --> 00:41:22,719
Speaker 2: are culturally different from quote unquote American culture, such as

713
00:41:23,160 --> 00:41:27,520
Speaker 2: being a leprechaun question mark, you should hide it.

714
00:41:28,200 --> 00:41:30,440
Speaker 3: And well that's the thing. It's like, yeah, but the

715
00:41:31,080 --> 00:41:36,239
Speaker 3: like when Kyle embraces his and again like we have

716
00:41:36,480 --> 00:41:38,399
Speaker 3: to for the sake of the way the movie works

717
00:41:38,520 --> 00:41:42,879
Speaker 3: conflate Irish people and leprechauns, which is but like, once

718
00:41:42,960 --> 00:41:46,480
Speaker 3: he embraces the fact that he is Irish, all his

719
00:41:47,239 --> 00:41:53,680
Speaker 3: leprechaun like qualities disappear and he is himself again. So

720
00:41:53,800 --> 00:41:57,440
Speaker 3: you're like, well, it's not it's not very Shrekian, is

721
00:41:57,480 --> 00:42:00,759
Speaker 3: what I'll say, because part of why Shrek is so

722
00:42:01,560 --> 00:42:07,520
Speaker 3: effective genuinely is because he continues to embody the other

723
00:42:07,880 --> 00:42:10,759
Speaker 3: form and like embraces the beauty of it. And that's

724
00:42:10,800 --> 00:42:15,520
Speaker 3: what Fiona does, right, But Kyle kind of goes back

725
00:42:15,600 --> 00:42:20,160
Speaker 3: to looking like a white kid in Utah, so like

726
00:42:21,080 --> 00:42:25,840
Speaker 3: it's just whatever, whatever, this movie doesn't make any sense again.

727
00:42:25,719 --> 00:42:34,480
Speaker 2: No, okay, where were we? Kyle's mom is displaying irish qualities.

728
00:42:34,960 --> 00:42:38,520
Speaker 3: But also like he's yeah, sort of quote unquote quote

729
00:42:38,520 --> 00:42:39,440
Speaker 3: exactly quote unquote.

730
00:42:39,920 --> 00:42:43,120
Speaker 2: And then the other unusual thing about this day is

731
00:42:43,239 --> 00:42:47,000
Speaker 2: that Kyle's luck seems to have run out. He gets

732
00:42:47,160 --> 00:42:50,560
Speaker 2: splashed by a puddle, he keeps dropping things and spilling

733
00:42:50,640 --> 00:42:53,880
Speaker 2: food all over himself. He drinks from a drinking fountain

734
00:42:53,960 --> 00:42:56,800
Speaker 2: that makes him look like he pissed his pants, he

735
00:42:56,920 --> 00:43:00,920
Speaker 2: can't make any foul shots at basketball practice. And then

736
00:43:01,480 --> 00:43:06,879
Speaker 2: also after this practice, they also have another the big

737
00:43:07,080 --> 00:43:10,200
Speaker 2: basketball game that same night. Like normally you don't have

738
00:43:10,320 --> 00:43:12,600
Speaker 2: a practice and then a game on the same day,

739
00:43:12,760 --> 00:43:15,840
Speaker 2: but sure, yeah, this.

740
00:43:16,000 --> 00:43:17,919
Speaker 3: Is like we've got bigger fish to fry. I don't

741
00:43:17,920 --> 00:43:20,560
Speaker 3: even know. Honestly, that did not even scan for me.

742
00:43:20,680 --> 00:43:22,279
Speaker 3: I was like, yeah, of course, of course. Of course

743
00:43:22,320 --> 00:43:24,520
Speaker 3: we've been at the school for forty hours at this point.

744
00:43:25,120 --> 00:43:28,399
Speaker 2: The other sports thing that doesn't scan is that toward

745
00:43:28,400 --> 00:43:31,400
Speaker 2: the end of the movie, Kyle is wrestling and then

746
00:43:31,520 --> 00:43:34,200
Speaker 2: Russell says like, oh, yeah, Kyle's on the wrestling team.

747
00:43:34,239 --> 00:43:37,719
Speaker 3: Oh. I loved that. I loved that. They just throw

748
00:43:37,800 --> 00:43:40,440
Speaker 3: that in there so that the scene makes sense so exactly.

749
00:43:40,560 --> 00:43:41,359
Speaker 3: But here's the thing.

750
00:43:41,960 --> 00:43:44,600
Speaker 2: The wrestling season, oh h happens at the same time

751
00:43:44,640 --> 00:43:47,239
Speaker 2: as basketball season, so you probably can't do both.

752
00:43:47,440 --> 00:43:50,719
Speaker 3: I think that that that to me screamed studio note

753
00:43:50,760 --> 00:43:52,560
Speaker 3: where they're like, why can you do that? Oh, just

754
00:43:52,719 --> 00:43:57,720
Speaker 3: have Russell say he's on the wrestling team. That'll make sense. Meanwhile,

755
00:43:58,120 --> 00:44:00,680
Speaker 3: it's like one of the most incoherency in the entire

756
00:44:00,880 --> 00:44:05,000
Speaker 3: movie where they're doing ancient Gaelic games while repeating incorrect

757
00:44:05,080 --> 00:44:10,359
Speaker 3: Irish history, like it's so bizarre. It's so bizarre. Yep.

758
00:44:11,480 --> 00:44:14,680
Speaker 2: Okay. Anyway, so before we get there, there is this

759
00:44:14,920 --> 00:44:18,000
Speaker 2: basketball game and Kyle, because his luck has run out,

760
00:44:19,120 --> 00:44:22,720
Speaker 2: biffs the game and everyone is mad at him, although

761
00:44:22,760 --> 00:44:26,439
Speaker 2: they still win. So they have another the big game

762
00:44:26,760 --> 00:44:27,719
Speaker 2: the following night.

763
00:44:28,040 --> 00:44:28,799
Speaker 3: The next day.

764
00:44:29,200 --> 00:44:31,600
Speaker 2: Okay, so then the next day his mom is now

765
00:44:31,719 --> 00:44:37,200
Speaker 2: in like, I don't know, nineteenth century Irish garb. Her

766
00:44:37,320 --> 00:44:44,120
Speaker 2: irishness quote unquote keeps heightening, and Kyle is still having

767
00:44:44,280 --> 00:44:48,440
Speaker 2: really bad luck, and he finally realizes it's because his

768
00:44:49,000 --> 00:44:53,560
Speaker 2: lucky coin necklace is gone, because his is made from gold,

769
00:44:54,320 --> 00:44:56,960
Speaker 2: but the one he has is iron, which he finds

770
00:44:57,000 --> 00:45:00,320
Speaker 2: out in science class because they're experimenting with magnet.

771
00:45:00,480 --> 00:45:03,839
Speaker 3: Yeah, and Russell knows how magnets work, which is how

772
00:45:03,880 --> 00:45:05,960
Speaker 3: we randomly when we're later told I want to be

773
00:45:06,000 --> 00:45:07,799
Speaker 3: a scientist, I was like, oh, because he knew one

774
00:45:07,840 --> 00:45:08,800
Speaker 3: thing about magnets.

775
00:45:09,440 --> 00:45:11,920
Speaker 2: Well, he knows about magnets, and he knows about rainbows

776
00:45:12,239 --> 00:45:13,759
Speaker 2: and like it's refracting of lights.

777
00:45:13,840 --> 00:45:15,879
Speaker 3: So he knows stuff. He's a science kid.

778
00:45:16,040 --> 00:45:17,279
Speaker 2: He's a kid in stem.

779
00:45:17,560 --> 00:45:17,759
Speaker 3: Yeah.

780
00:45:18,160 --> 00:45:22,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, So this is how Kyle finds out about his necklace.

781
00:45:23,800 --> 00:45:27,480
Speaker 2: So he realizes someone must have stolen the coin and

782
00:45:27,520 --> 00:45:30,399
Speaker 2: swapped it out for a different one. Kyle goes home

783
00:45:30,560 --> 00:45:35,520
Speaker 2: and discovers then that his mom is a leprechaun and

784
00:45:35,800 --> 00:45:40,000
Speaker 2: comes from a long line of the leprechauns of the

785
00:45:40,200 --> 00:45:44,719
Speaker 2: like clan O'Reilly. So his mom's maiden name is O'Reilly.

786
00:45:45,560 --> 00:45:49,319
Speaker 2: His mom is now six inches tall, and this all

787
00:45:49,440 --> 00:45:54,080
Speaker 2: explains why Kyle his hair is turning red, his ears

788
00:45:54,120 --> 00:45:57,560
Speaker 2: are kind of pointy, he's shrinking, he's like shorter than

789
00:45:57,600 --> 00:46:01,440
Speaker 2: he used to be because he's half Leprechaun.

790
00:46:02,040 --> 00:46:06,920
Speaker 3: It's it's pretty cool. It's pretty he is. Again, this

791
00:46:07,120 --> 00:46:11,319
Speaker 3: is like a horrific sequence. But they're like, I also

792
00:46:11,440 --> 00:46:13,560
Speaker 3: like that they stop short of They're like, well, he's

793
00:46:13,600 --> 00:46:15,719
Speaker 3: only half leprecan so he's only going to get like

794
00:46:15,960 --> 00:46:19,000
Speaker 3: a little smaller, right, He's gonna be just like a

795
00:46:19,160 --> 00:46:22,520
Speaker 3: short kid. And his and he has like kind of

796
00:46:22,640 --> 00:46:26,160
Speaker 3: like a box dye job for sure, which is awesome.

797
00:46:26,320 --> 00:46:29,520
Speaker 3: The ears, it it's you know, it's a lot, but

798
00:46:29,800 --> 00:46:30,320
Speaker 3: I'm into it.

799
00:46:30,719 --> 00:46:34,759
Speaker 2: The makeup department was really they were cooking, Yeah, with

800
00:46:34,920 --> 00:46:39,719
Speaker 2: all twelve dollars they were given precisely. Okay, So we

801
00:46:39,960 --> 00:46:44,680
Speaker 2: learn that as long as the O'Reilly clan has their

802
00:46:44,960 --> 00:46:49,640
Speaker 2: luck aka the Lucky Coin, they can pass as human.

803
00:46:50,160 --> 00:46:55,319
Speaker 2: But because Kyle no longer has the coin, that's why

804
00:46:55,880 --> 00:47:00,640
Speaker 2: they're all shrinking and becoming more leprechaun like. And Kyle

805
00:47:00,800 --> 00:47:03,040
Speaker 2: is like, okay, I think I know who stole the coin.

806
00:47:03,719 --> 00:47:07,239
Speaker 2: This old Irish man at the fair and his mom

807
00:47:07,400 --> 00:47:11,760
Speaker 2: is like, oh, yeah, that's your grandfather. We were bound

808
00:47:11,800 --> 00:47:13,960
Speaker 2: to run into him ever since he opened up that

809
00:47:14,120 --> 00:47:16,600
Speaker 2: potato chip factory down the road.

810
00:47:16,800 --> 00:47:19,759
Speaker 3: And You're just like, I cannot, I cannot take in

811
00:47:19,880 --> 00:47:22,439
Speaker 3: another piece of information right now? What do you mean

812
00:47:23,080 --> 00:47:26,440
Speaker 3: ever since he opened that potato chip factory around the

813
00:47:26,560 --> 00:47:33,480
Speaker 3: corner from where we live in Utah? Like sure, if

814
00:47:33,520 --> 00:47:34,200
Speaker 3: any why the hell not?

815
00:47:34,560 --> 00:47:36,640
Speaker 2: Wouldn't it make more sense if the if the movie

816
00:47:36,800 --> 00:47:40,080
Speaker 2: was set in Idaho, which is famous for potatoes.

817
00:47:41,800 --> 00:47:45,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I mean yeah, and also not for nothing.

818
00:47:46,160 --> 00:47:50,040
Speaker 3: Like again, just the randomization of this movie, like potato

819
00:47:50,200 --> 00:47:54,560
Speaker 3: chips are not from Ireland, they were invented in England.

820
00:47:54,960 --> 00:47:58,560
Speaker 3: Oh again, just like a lot of weird English history

821
00:47:58,640 --> 00:48:02,840
Speaker 3: is being attributed to and that's like very obscure. It

822
00:48:02,960 --> 00:48:05,759
Speaker 3: was invented in England in like the eighteen hundreds. So

823
00:48:05,800 --> 00:48:10,160
Speaker 3: I'm like what, so why? So just like why why?

824
00:48:10,680 --> 00:48:14,560
Speaker 2: Why? Is the question you can ask every thirty seconds

825
00:48:14,640 --> 00:48:17,640
Speaker 2: I would say in this movie. Okay, so we learned

826
00:48:17,640 --> 00:48:23,400
Speaker 2: this about Kyle's grandfather, who he had never met because

827
00:48:23,560 --> 00:48:28,840
Speaker 2: the grandfather disowned his daughter aka Kyle's mom when she

828
00:48:29,040 --> 00:48:34,040
Speaker 2: married a human. Because as you alluded to earlier Leprechauns

829
00:48:34,160 --> 00:48:36,680
Speaker 2: don't believe in mixed marriages.

830
00:48:36,600 --> 00:48:40,760
Speaker 3: And he's never thought about his family before.

831
00:48:42,080 --> 00:48:45,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, he doesn't, although he does like it seems like

832
00:48:45,680 --> 00:48:49,680
Speaker 2: he approached Kyle at that fair knowing that that was

833
00:48:49,719 --> 00:48:55,040
Speaker 2: his grandson. And he's like, wow, shoes, leather, potato chips,

834
00:48:55,560 --> 00:48:58,480
Speaker 2: and it's just like, is this how you talk to

835
00:48:58,600 --> 00:48:59,640
Speaker 2: your grandson?

836
00:49:00,800 --> 00:49:04,200
Speaker 3: Yeah? I also loved the cgi quarters he throws into

837
00:49:04,280 --> 00:49:04,600
Speaker 3: the sky.

838
00:49:04,920 --> 00:49:11,880
Speaker 2: Oh it's icon hideous. Okay. So Kyle and his family

839
00:49:12,080 --> 00:49:16,840
Speaker 2: go to the potato chip factory called Emerald Isle to

840
00:49:17,040 --> 00:49:23,880
Speaker 2: confront Kyle's granddad, whose name is Riley, Oh Riley, And

841
00:49:24,000 --> 00:49:25,520
Speaker 2: let that sink in for a minute.

842
00:49:25,719 --> 00:49:28,960
Speaker 3: And that's on Ireland, right.

843
00:49:31,080 --> 00:49:37,440
Speaker 2: Right, And he's played by Henry Gibson, who I recognize

844
00:49:37,480 --> 00:49:40,040
Speaker 2: from a few different things. He's also like, you know,

845
00:49:40,120 --> 00:49:43,239
Speaker 2: he's in stuff, not you.

846
00:49:43,320 --> 00:49:47,319
Speaker 3: Know, he's American for what it's worth, he's American. If

847
00:49:47,360 --> 00:49:50,200
Speaker 3: you couldn't tell, that's not a real Irish accent. He

848
00:49:50,280 --> 00:49:54,400
Speaker 3: does look very weight. I'm looking at his Oh oh grant, Okay,

849
00:49:54,560 --> 00:49:59,160
Speaker 3: I'm out in my fiance as a dork. He's he's

850
00:49:59,239 --> 00:50:01,480
Speaker 3: in magnet. Oh yeah, that's what Grant knew him from.

851
00:50:01,560 --> 00:50:03,520
Speaker 2: I think that's what I most recognize him from as well.

852
00:50:03,640 --> 00:50:08,520
Speaker 3: In Magnolia, he's in wedding crashers and he's in Boston Legal.

853
00:50:08,680 --> 00:50:12,040
Speaker 3: Maybe that's what I know him from. Oh wow, anyways,

854
00:50:12,120 --> 00:50:14,719
Speaker 3: he's I think he makes a meal of whatever the

855
00:50:14,800 --> 00:50:18,000
Speaker 3: hell he's supposed to be doing, and oh, absolutely, I enjoyed.

856
00:50:18,200 --> 00:50:18,840
Speaker 3: I enjoyed it.

857
00:50:20,520 --> 00:50:24,800
Speaker 2: Okay, So they go to try to confront Grandpa Riley O'Reilly,

858
00:50:25,680 --> 00:50:29,440
Speaker 2: but they can't get in to see him. Meanwhile, Bonnie

859
00:50:29,520 --> 00:50:33,319
Speaker 2: is at the factory for a tour with the Young

860
00:50:33,440 --> 00:50:38,239
Speaker 2: Achievers Club, so Kyle links up with her. The security

861
00:50:38,320 --> 00:50:42,160
Speaker 2: guards start chasing them because Kyle isn't supposed to be there,

862
00:50:42,800 --> 00:50:46,680
Speaker 2: and then they end up bumping into Grandpa Riley O'Reilly,

863
00:50:47,280 --> 00:50:51,719
Speaker 2: who tells them about the luck of the Clan O'Reilly

864
00:50:52,480 --> 00:50:54,920
Speaker 2: and he's like, well, I didn't steal your coin, but

865
00:50:55,040 --> 00:50:59,200
Speaker 2: I think I know who did. Seamus McTiernan, the guy

866
00:50:59,239 --> 00:51:02,680
Speaker 2: who puts on the Irish step dancing.

867
00:51:02,400 --> 00:51:06,160
Speaker 3: Fair And you're like, right, the perfect crime there.

868
00:51:08,920 --> 00:51:13,319
Speaker 2: And we learn that Seamus is a fair dereg which

869
00:51:13,560 --> 00:51:15,960
Speaker 2: I had to look this up. It's a type of

870
00:51:16,200 --> 00:51:20,440
Speaker 2: fairy found in Irish folklore, one who loves playing pranks,

871
00:51:21,160 --> 00:51:23,960
Speaker 2: especially like kind of gruesome pranks.

872
00:51:24,239 --> 00:51:28,719
Speaker 3: Yes, there are random real things that are referenced here,

873
00:51:28,800 --> 00:51:31,080
Speaker 3: but there's so few and far between that I have

874
00:51:31,239 --> 00:51:34,360
Speaker 3: to attribute it to rewrites. Oh yeah, they're like, we

875
00:51:34,400 --> 00:51:39,239
Speaker 3: should put a fact in here, right, So.

876
00:51:39,840 --> 00:51:47,440
Speaker 2: They go after Seamus in Riley's lime green convertible. So awesome,

877
00:51:47,920 --> 00:51:52,279
Speaker 2: So it is pretty cool. Also, Riley O'Reilly has a

878
00:51:52,480 --> 00:51:56,399
Speaker 2: long white beard now because I guess this is him

879
00:51:56,920 --> 00:51:58,759
Speaker 2: turning more and more into a leprocase.

880
00:51:58,920 --> 00:52:01,840
Speaker 3: Again, it's like Irish as Irish is a disease and

881
00:52:01,880 --> 00:52:03,120
Speaker 3: you're catching it. Yeah.

882
00:52:04,560 --> 00:52:08,880
Speaker 2: Russell also randomly joins them because he's just sort of

883
00:52:09,000 --> 00:52:11,120
Speaker 2: out wandering the streets.

884
00:52:11,560 --> 00:52:14,640
Speaker 3: As many characters as most of the supporting characters in

885
00:52:14,719 --> 00:52:17,080
Speaker 3: this movie seem to be doing. They're just loose.

886
00:52:17,160 --> 00:52:19,280
Speaker 2: They're just kind of waiting around for Kyle.

887
00:52:19,800 --> 00:52:22,360
Speaker 3: It's kind of Truman show ish. They're just like, where's

888
00:52:22,440 --> 00:52:23,040
Speaker 3: Kyle at?

889
00:52:24,080 --> 00:52:24,960
Speaker 2: Is exactly like that?

890
00:52:25,080 --> 00:52:25,279
Speaker 3: Yes?

891
00:52:25,719 --> 00:52:32,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, So together they start chasing Seamus's mobile home camper

892
00:52:32,400 --> 00:52:36,520
Speaker 2: van thing that has a pot of gold inside. But

893
00:52:36,760 --> 00:52:41,080
Speaker 2: because the Clan O'Reilly don't have luck anymore, they crash

894
00:52:41,239 --> 00:52:46,480
Speaker 2: the car because Seamus throws corned beef and cabbage on

895
00:52:46,600 --> 00:52:47,319
Speaker 2: the windshield.

896
00:52:47,520 --> 00:52:53,560
Speaker 3: So some really interesting, intense, like intense shots of corn

897
00:52:53,640 --> 00:52:57,920
Speaker 3: beef and cabbage really beautiful, Like, yeah, I and I

898
00:52:58,040 --> 00:53:01,600
Speaker 3: love my Irish brethren, but the food is just not

899
00:53:01,719 --> 00:53:03,960
Speaker 3: for me. It's just not for me. And I don't

900
00:53:03,960 --> 00:53:05,920
Speaker 3: think this movie does it any favors in making it.

901
00:53:06,000 --> 00:53:08,360
Speaker 3: Oh my god, well, because the breakfast looks good. The

902
00:53:08,400 --> 00:53:09,360
Speaker 3: breakfast looks good.

903
00:53:09,320 --> 00:53:11,960
Speaker 2: Sure, but then also his mom is like, here, take

904
00:53:12,040 --> 00:53:16,040
Speaker 2: this to school. It is a rusty bucket full of

905
00:53:16,760 --> 00:53:18,200
Speaker 2: what appears to be mostly slopped.

906
00:53:18,400 --> 00:53:20,719
Speaker 3: Why does she give him lunch in a bucket? Is

907
00:53:20,800 --> 00:53:21,200
Speaker 3: a question.

908
00:53:21,400 --> 00:53:22,520
Speaker 2: I had no lid.

909
00:53:22,800 --> 00:53:24,719
Speaker 3: This is taking this is taking it back a little bit.

910
00:53:24,760 --> 00:53:26,440
Speaker 3: But I did think it was very funny and very

911
00:53:26,560 --> 00:53:32,120
Speaker 3: like Disney coated that on like Kyle's least Lucky day.

912
00:53:32,239 --> 00:53:34,239
Speaker 3: Ninety percent of what happens to him is he's just

913
00:53:34,320 --> 00:53:38,360
Speaker 3: like spilling things on himself. He's just like every he's like,

914
00:53:38,440 --> 00:53:40,320
Speaker 3: this is the worst day ever. And then he'll like

915
00:53:40,480 --> 00:53:42,719
Speaker 3: slip on a banana peel and fall into like a

916
00:53:42,920 --> 00:53:45,880
Speaker 3: bowl of soup, and like it's just him getting stuff

917
00:53:45,920 --> 00:53:46,800
Speaker 3: on his clothes.

918
00:53:47,160 --> 00:53:49,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, all day long, all day long, worse day ever,

919
00:53:49,320 --> 00:53:52,440
Speaker 2: which okay, you know we've talked so much about like

920
00:53:52,960 --> 00:53:57,520
Speaker 2: Hillary duff pratfalls. Yeah, it's nice to see a boy

921
00:53:58,280 --> 00:54:02,000
Speaker 2: character do he gets something similar for one.

922
00:54:02,200 --> 00:54:04,839
Speaker 3: Yeah, but he's like not even I guess he does fall.

923
00:54:04,920 --> 00:54:06,399
Speaker 3: He does fall, he does fall.

924
00:54:06,760 --> 00:54:09,600
Speaker 2: But you're right, it is mostly it's like whatever, it's

925
00:54:09,680 --> 00:54:10,839
Speaker 2: it's general clumsiness.

926
00:54:11,040 --> 00:54:13,160
Speaker 3: It's just like a scene after scene, we cut a

927
00:54:13,200 --> 00:54:15,200
Speaker 3: cut a few because he gets he gets spilled on

928
00:54:15,280 --> 00:54:17,000
Speaker 3: at the locker, he gets spilled on at lunch, he

929
00:54:17,040 --> 00:54:19,400
Speaker 3: gets spilled on out, he gets he spills the bucket

930
00:54:19,600 --> 00:54:20,560
Speaker 3: on himself.

931
00:54:20,280 --> 00:54:23,000
Speaker 2: The water fountain sprays his crotch, and then it looks

932
00:54:23,040 --> 00:54:25,680
Speaker 2: like he pete himself. He gets splashed by a puddle

933
00:54:25,719 --> 00:54:28,640
Speaker 2: with a car driving by. It's truly like eight different things.

934
00:54:29,040 --> 00:54:32,799
Speaker 3: It's just so. And meanwhile he's like doing this weird

935
00:54:32,960 --> 00:54:37,960
Speaker 3: teenage like hitting on a girl where he's like, looky

936
00:54:38,320 --> 00:54:39,640
Speaker 3: looking good ladies.

937
00:54:40,360 --> 00:54:46,399
Speaker 5: It's like, ah, Ryan Merryman, looking good ladies. I'm like, yeah,

938
00:54:46,520 --> 00:54:50,279
Speaker 5: definitely what fifteen year old boys were doing. It's so

939
00:54:50,640 --> 00:54:52,120
Speaker 5: like my dad wrote a script.

940
00:54:52,520 --> 00:54:55,080
Speaker 3: Oh looking good the ladies.

941
00:54:55,719 --> 00:55:02,399
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, so the car has a flat tire. Their chase,

942
00:55:02,480 --> 00:55:07,000
Speaker 2: their pursuit of Seamus McTiernan has come to a screeching cult.

943
00:55:07,880 --> 00:55:11,439
Speaker 2: All hope is lost. Kyle is like, I'm not even

944
00:55:11,480 --> 00:55:14,520
Speaker 2: good at basketball, am I it was just my luck

945
00:55:14,640 --> 00:55:16,919
Speaker 2: that made me good at it. And then his dad

946
00:55:17,080 --> 00:55:19,759
Speaker 2: is like, oh, I'm so sorry, Kyle. We should have

947
00:55:19,920 --> 00:55:23,799
Speaker 2: told you about your leprechaun heritage a long time ago.

948
00:55:24,360 --> 00:55:26,960
Speaker 3: I do appreciate that the dad apologizes to him. I

949
00:55:27,280 --> 00:55:33,160
Speaker 3: sure am confused about the implications of his whole life

950
00:55:33,239 --> 00:55:36,080
Speaker 3: being attributed to a coin. Like again, this is where

951
00:55:36,120 --> 00:55:42,600
Speaker 3: the white privilege thing becomes introduced and unintroduced. There's a

952
00:55:42,719 --> 00:55:46,239
Speaker 3: great scene with Bonnie and Kyle where she says like,

953
00:55:46,320 --> 00:55:48,080
Speaker 3: you're a nice guy, but you'd be a better person

954
00:55:48,160 --> 00:55:50,520
Speaker 3: if everything hadn't always been so easy for you, and

955
00:55:50,560 --> 00:55:53,440
Speaker 3: then she like basically dunks a basketball that wasn't luck,

956
00:55:53,560 --> 00:55:57,319
Speaker 3: it was practice, you know, hard work. And you're like, oh,

957
00:55:57,440 --> 00:55:59,640
Speaker 3: that's interesting, but it's also kind of I feel like

958
00:55:59,760 --> 00:56:04,279
Speaker 3: it's it's sad for Kyle's entire like his passion is

959
00:56:04,320 --> 00:56:07,040
Speaker 3: playing basketball, and they're like, well, that had nothing to

960
00:56:07,120 --> 00:56:11,080
Speaker 3: do with you, and you're like, that's really that's really dark.

961
00:56:11,239 --> 00:56:13,840
Speaker 3: That's a really dark thing to introduce. Like without this,

962
00:56:14,719 --> 00:56:16,560
Speaker 3: I don't know, I like it doesn't even really scan

963
00:56:16,640 --> 00:56:19,880
Speaker 3: for me. Like, without without a connection to your culture,

964
00:56:20,600 --> 00:56:25,000
Speaker 3: you have no function, You're useless, Like it's just a Again,

965
00:56:25,160 --> 00:56:29,080
Speaker 3: the messaging is a little bit like muddled. I don't

966
00:56:29,239 --> 00:56:32,239
Speaker 3: quite a muddled Dan. Yeah, Like I don't think that

967
00:56:32,320 --> 00:56:34,000
Speaker 3: there's a way to be like, oh, this is what

968
00:56:34,080 --> 00:56:35,560
Speaker 3: they were trying to say. They were just like, we

969
00:56:35,640 --> 00:56:38,839
Speaker 3: got to fill eighty minutes on TV. Yes, exactly by

970
00:56:38,880 --> 00:56:43,359
Speaker 3: any means necessary. Yeah, including what is about to happen,

971
00:56:43,400 --> 00:56:46,239
Speaker 3: which I definitely didn't remember and could not have anticipated.

972
00:56:46,880 --> 00:56:47,960
Speaker 3: The ancient games.

973
00:56:48,680 --> 00:56:52,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, so that's coming up very shortly. First in this

974
00:56:52,520 --> 00:56:54,840
Speaker 2: like you know, end of act to low point moment,

975
00:56:55,719 --> 00:56:58,200
Speaker 2: it starts pouring rain and so they're stuck.

976
00:56:58,000 --> 00:56:58,399
Speaker 3: In the rain.

977
00:56:58,760 --> 00:57:02,120
Speaker 2: But Bonnie an uplifting speech.

978
00:57:02,239 --> 00:57:06,960
Speaker 3: About how Irish people lifted themselves by their bootstraps and

979
00:57:07,560 --> 00:57:12,000
Speaker 3: America is slay. Wait when the Irish also, she knows

980
00:57:12,040 --> 00:57:14,680
Speaker 3: so much about Irish history, and we get no insight

981
00:57:14,760 --> 00:57:17,800
Speaker 3: into her heritage this scene. We have to just go

982
00:57:17,920 --> 00:57:21,440
Speaker 3: through it. Yeah, Bonnie says, when the Irish came to America.

983
00:57:21,800 --> 00:57:24,280
Speaker 3: Things were tough, and they had to work at jobs

984
00:57:24,320 --> 00:57:26,760
Speaker 3: that other people wouldn't take, and they didn't get paid

985
00:57:26,800 --> 00:57:30,200
Speaker 3: what they deserve. Russell interjects, at least they got paid,

986
00:57:30,560 --> 00:57:32,920
Speaker 3: which I think is supposed to reference that he is

987
00:57:33,160 --> 00:57:35,520
Speaker 3: possibly descended from enslaved people.

988
00:57:36,120 --> 00:57:37,760
Speaker 2: That's what I thought as well.

989
00:57:37,920 --> 00:57:44,760
Speaker 3: Yes, which is an unhinged way to acknowledge acknowledge slave slavery.

990
00:57:45,240 --> 00:57:48,040
Speaker 3: And yes, also that is the only insight we get

991
00:57:48,080 --> 00:57:55,280
Speaker 3: into any non Irish character's heritage. It's upsetting. Bonnie ignores

992
00:57:55,640 --> 00:57:58,720
Speaker 3: the thing Russell has said, correct and continues, but they

993
00:57:58,840 --> 00:58:02,600
Speaker 3: didn't give up, and they kept trying until things got better.

994
00:58:03,000 --> 00:58:05,280
Speaker 3: That's what makes them special, not where they are now,

995
00:58:05,360 --> 00:58:07,720
Speaker 3: but the spirit that keeps them going on the way there.

996
00:58:08,000 --> 00:58:12,040
Speaker 3: Kyle says she's a young achiever to nag her, and

997
00:58:12,120 --> 00:58:15,680
Speaker 3: then Bonnie is, you know, whips are fucking flat, and

998
00:58:15,880 --> 00:58:18,840
Speaker 3: she doesn't, but she says, I'm an American, That's what

999
00:58:19,040 --> 00:58:23,000
Speaker 3: we all are, and Americans don't give up. And everyone's

1000
00:58:23,120 --> 00:58:27,480
Speaker 3: like clapping check yeah, Like it's one of the weirdest

1001
00:58:27,800 --> 00:58:32,640
Speaker 3: jingoistic Like I mean, it does sort of. I still

1002
00:58:32,680 --> 00:58:35,720
Speaker 3: think it's weird even for its time, But like, it

1003
00:58:35,920 --> 00:58:38,960
Speaker 3: definitely lines up with a lot of the messaging that

1004
00:58:39,080 --> 00:58:42,960
Speaker 3: you received or you received. It's certainly not messaging that

1005
00:58:43,160 --> 00:58:47,240
Speaker 3: children are getting now from the oppressive power structure they

1006
00:58:47,320 --> 00:58:50,440
Speaker 3: live inside of, because we now live in an openly

1007
00:58:50,600 --> 00:58:55,120
Speaker 3: anti immigrant country. But for a long time, the way

1008
00:58:55,280 --> 00:58:59,600
Speaker 3: that Americans would and particularly white Americans would obvious gate

1009
00:59:00,240 --> 00:59:04,320
Speaker 3: the internalized racism and anti immigrant tendencies was to tell kids,

1010
00:59:04,480 --> 00:59:07,400
Speaker 3: we're a nation of immigrants, we're a melting but all together,

1011
00:59:07,600 --> 00:59:11,320
Speaker 3: we're a melting pot, and we're all Americans, and the

1012
00:59:11,600 --> 00:59:17,240
Speaker 3: identity of Americans is one of tolerance. And and then

1013
00:59:17,480 --> 00:59:22,200
Speaker 3: like capitalism, basically it's like working hard. There's a there's

1014
00:59:22,200 --> 00:59:25,960
Speaker 3: a scene that happens later with Kyle and his grandfather

1015
00:59:26,400 --> 00:59:30,240
Speaker 3: where Kyle's grandfather, Riley O'Reilly, is like, I'm gonna take

1016
00:59:30,360 --> 00:59:34,320
Speaker 3: the gold. Then Kyle's like, no, don't take the gold.

1017
00:59:34,960 --> 00:59:39,920
Speaker 3: We work hard to do to earn, like to or

1018
00:59:40,240 --> 00:59:43,600
Speaker 3: we came to America to work hard. And so it's

1019
00:59:43,640 --> 00:59:49,880
Speaker 3: like preaching the melting pot myth that America was founded on.

1020
00:59:50,200 --> 00:59:55,480
Speaker 3: And also capitalism is is how immigrant communities are able

1021
00:59:55,560 --> 00:59:57,920
Speaker 3: to lift themselves up. And you're just like, this is

1022
00:59:58,080 --> 01:00:03,040
Speaker 3: a mess and it ends on this land is your land?

1023
01:00:03,280 --> 01:00:07,000
Speaker 2: Or like yeah, yeah, no, there's so many either like

1024
01:00:07,480 --> 01:00:11,880
Speaker 2: monologues or bits of voiceover or just imagery that is

1025
01:00:11,960 --> 01:00:15,840
Speaker 2: basically like you will say, you would say, like it is.

1026
01:00:16,000 --> 01:00:19,400
Speaker 3: So jinguistic, right, which feels very of its time, Like

1027
01:00:19,520 --> 01:00:21,960
Speaker 3: it feels like it reminds me again of a very

1028
01:00:22,040 --> 01:00:25,000
Speaker 3: weird and coherent version of like stuff you would experience

1029
01:00:25,080 --> 01:00:28,320
Speaker 3: at school as a kid, of like assemblies and like

1030
01:00:28,720 --> 01:00:31,680
Speaker 3: we're so proud to be Americans. And I don't know

1031
01:00:31,720 --> 01:00:34,280
Speaker 3: if you were at if you were in a public school,

1032
01:00:34,280 --> 01:00:37,160
Speaker 3: anytime I ran around nine to eleven, like it was

1033
01:00:37,320 --> 01:00:39,040
Speaker 3: relentless m hm.

1034
01:00:39,920 --> 01:00:45,320
Speaker 2: So Bonnie gives this speech about how awesome America is,

1035
01:00:46,160 --> 01:00:51,240
Speaker 2: which causes the rain to instantly stop and a rainbow appears.

1036
01:00:51,600 --> 01:00:54,040
Speaker 2: Oh you didn't think the rain was plot relevant, Well

1037
01:00:54,120 --> 01:00:55,840
Speaker 2: it is because now there's a rainbow.

1038
01:00:56,480 --> 01:00:58,960
Speaker 3: They have to go fight in the ancient games and.

1039
01:00:59,000 --> 01:01:02,200
Speaker 2: They have to chase the under the rainbow. So they do,

1040
01:01:02,760 --> 01:01:05,000
Speaker 2: and they're running and running, and then they eventually find

1041
01:01:05,360 --> 01:01:12,040
Speaker 2: Seamus's camper van and Kyle and his grandfather sneak inside

1042
01:01:12,680 --> 01:01:16,080
Speaker 2: and take back Kyle's lucky coin, but not.

1043
01:01:16,320 --> 01:01:20,080
Speaker 3: All of the gold, because that would be you have

1044
01:01:20,400 --> 01:01:22,120
Speaker 3: they have to earn the gold. I was like, I

1045
01:01:22,200 --> 01:01:28,920
Speaker 3: don't think Seamus earned the gold. No, and that's well whatever, whatever. No,

1046
01:01:29,080 --> 01:01:32,240
Speaker 3: for some reason, Kyle is right in this situation.

1047
01:01:32,000 --> 01:01:34,560
Speaker 2: Kyle is right. Well, yeah, we learned that Seamus the

1048
01:01:34,640 --> 01:01:37,840
Speaker 2: whole reason that he stole Kyle's coin was that he's

1049
01:01:37,920 --> 01:01:42,120
Speaker 2: collecting all the lucky coins from all the leprechauns across

1050
01:01:42,240 --> 01:01:45,680
Speaker 2: America so that he can become the king of the Leprechauns.

1051
01:01:46,320 --> 01:01:50,080
Speaker 3: And based on what we've seen, because we are conflating

1052
01:01:50,240 --> 01:01:53,960
Speaker 3: Leprechauns and Ireland, I'm like, so he's sort of like,

1053
01:01:54,120 --> 01:01:57,400
Speaker 3: I'm going to be the k King of Ireland Ireland,

1054
01:01:57,840 --> 01:02:01,360
Speaker 3: which to my understanding, and again I'm not super tapped

1055
01:02:01,400 --> 01:02:04,080
Speaker 3: into Irish history. I think that the reason they're going

1056
01:02:04,320 --> 01:02:09,880
Speaker 3: into ancient history and the Teltan Games is because he's

1057
01:02:09,920 --> 01:02:14,360
Speaker 3: trying to recapture an ancient version of Ireland question mark.

1058
01:02:14,600 --> 01:02:17,560
Speaker 3: But again, it is confusing that they do that. It

1059
01:02:17,680 --> 01:02:20,400
Speaker 3: feels like kind of obvious gating that they're doing that

1060
01:02:20,560 --> 01:02:25,479
Speaker 3: because the relevant parts of Irish culture that we're talking

1061
01:02:25,480 --> 01:02:30,080
Speaker 3: about to the plot, it seems like Kyle's grandfather immigrated

1062
01:02:30,920 --> 01:02:38,080
Speaker 3: from Ireland, possibly around the time that Ireland gained independence,

1063
01:02:38,160 --> 01:02:42,200
Speaker 3: possibly during the time of the potato fan man. That

1064
01:02:42,520 --> 01:02:47,040
Speaker 3: history isn't interfaced with because that is too challenging to colonialism.

1065
01:02:47,120 --> 01:02:49,480
Speaker 3: I think. I think that's why they go into ancient history,

1066
01:02:49,680 --> 01:02:54,880
Speaker 3: because they don't want to talk about English colonization anymore

1067
01:02:55,040 --> 01:02:58,440
Speaker 3: than they want to talk about American colonization. That's my guess.

1068
01:02:58,960 --> 01:03:02,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I I can see it. Yeah, I'm also

1069
01:03:02,440 --> 01:03:06,840
Speaker 2: guessing that that's why they're like, yeah, Riley O'Reilly invented

1070
01:03:07,240 --> 01:03:11,720
Speaker 2: the potato chip because Ireland equals potatoes. Yeah.

1071
01:03:12,560 --> 01:03:14,200
Speaker 3: I do think that that is as far as they're

1072
01:03:14,240 --> 01:03:16,040
Speaker 3: thinking about it, honestly for sure.

1073
01:03:16,680 --> 01:03:21,960
Speaker 2: Okay, so they find Kyle's lucky coin again, but Seamus

1074
01:03:22,080 --> 01:03:28,760
Speaker 2: McTiernan uses his fair Darrig magic to sense that something

1075
01:03:28,840 --> 01:03:33,440
Speaker 2: is wrong, and he appears and kidnaps Riley O'Reilly, and

1076
01:03:33,520 --> 01:03:37,600
Speaker 2: then Kyle remembers that Seamus can't say no to a bet,

1077
01:03:37,880 --> 01:03:41,200
Speaker 2: something that was planted earlier in the movie. So Kyle

1078
01:03:41,760 --> 01:03:48,400
Speaker 2: challenges Seamus, saying, if I beat you at sports, you

1079
01:03:48,800 --> 01:03:51,880
Speaker 2: have to let my grandfather and I go, and I

1080
01:03:52,120 --> 01:03:53,480
Speaker 2: get to keep my lucky coin.

1081
01:03:53,840 --> 01:03:56,920
Speaker 3: And then he really raises the steaks for seemingly no

1082
01:03:57,080 --> 01:04:01,000
Speaker 3: reason at all and says, yeah, go ahead.

1083
01:04:01,120 --> 01:04:05,040
Speaker 2: Well, okay, so they play sports, but oh no, it's

1084
01:04:05,120 --> 01:04:09,520
Speaker 2: not you know, basketball and baseball and football like Kyle

1085
01:04:09,680 --> 01:04:15,040
Speaker 2: was expecting. Seamus transports Kyle and Russell maybe to Ireland.

1086
01:04:15,160 --> 01:04:17,240
Speaker 2: I'm not sure where they are, but they're on a

1087
01:04:17,400 --> 01:04:22,840
Speaker 2: field where they play the Charlton Games, which again had

1088
01:04:22,920 --> 01:04:25,840
Speaker 2: to look up, but it's a series of games and

1089
01:04:25,920 --> 01:04:29,800
Speaker 2: sporting events similar to but pre dates the Greek Olympics

1090
01:04:30,480 --> 01:04:33,640
Speaker 2: by over a thousand years. And then I started to

1091
01:04:33,680 --> 01:04:37,120
Speaker 2: do a deep dive on these games and I was like, focus, Caitlin,

1092
01:04:37,320 --> 01:04:38,520
Speaker 2: it's really interesting.

1093
01:04:38,760 --> 01:04:41,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, it is is. I'd never heard of these before,

1094
01:04:42,400 --> 01:04:42,680
Speaker 3: nor I.

1095
01:04:44,200 --> 01:04:47,720
Speaker 2: So they start doing the various kind of sporting events

1096
01:04:48,120 --> 01:04:51,760
Speaker 2: such as the sport of hurling. They're also heaving around

1097
01:04:52,080 --> 01:04:57,800
Speaker 2: boulders and chariot wheels, and they're wrestling and Kyle's team

1098
01:04:58,000 --> 01:05:03,160
Speaker 2: and Seamus's teams and up tying, and Seamus was like, well,

1099
01:05:03,240 --> 01:05:06,520
Speaker 2: the bet was that you would beat me, and you

1100
01:05:06,640 --> 01:05:10,000
Speaker 2: didn't beat me because we tied. So Kyle has to

1101
01:05:10,160 --> 01:05:12,520
Speaker 2: hand over his lucky coin. But then he's like, well

1102
01:05:12,560 --> 01:05:15,800
Speaker 2: wait a minute. What if if I beat you at

1103
01:05:16,200 --> 01:05:21,640
Speaker 2: basketball without my luck and my lucky coin, I get

1104
01:05:21,720 --> 01:05:24,520
Speaker 2: to get my luck back, and you have to go

1105
01:05:24,960 --> 01:05:28,480
Speaker 2: to the land of my forefathers, the shores of Eerie

1106
01:05:28,640 --> 01:05:31,720
Speaker 2: for all of eternity. And if I lose. I think

1107
01:05:31,760 --> 01:05:34,720
Speaker 2: these are the stakes you were talking about, I will

1108
01:05:34,800 --> 01:05:36,840
Speaker 2: be your slave, he says.

1109
01:05:37,440 --> 01:05:40,520
Speaker 3: And why the hell does he raise the stakes in

1110
01:05:40,680 --> 01:05:45,840
Speaker 3: that way that is not asked of him? He just says,

1111
01:05:47,280 --> 01:05:51,840
Speaker 3: here are the stakes. I'm willing to Like, it's so weird.

1112
01:05:52,080 --> 01:05:54,600
Speaker 3: I know that, like I would say the stakes are

1113
01:05:54,760 --> 01:05:59,480
Speaker 3: appropriately high before he says that, it's just I don't

1114
01:05:59,480 --> 01:06:01,960
Speaker 3: have an xation for it. I just thought it was

1115
01:06:02,160 --> 01:06:05,040
Speaker 3: very weird that the stakes were raised so severely.

1116
01:06:05,680 --> 01:06:08,720
Speaker 2: I guess he's trying to save his grandpa, because yeah,

1117
01:06:08,800 --> 01:06:11,560
Speaker 2: But also it's just like, why did he suggest that?

1118
01:06:12,640 --> 01:06:14,880
Speaker 2: I don't know, I don't know.

1119
01:06:15,080 --> 01:06:19,000
Speaker 3: I would have suggested something far less consequential, right, But

1120
01:06:19,480 --> 01:06:22,040
Speaker 3: Kyle is so confident in his basketball skills that he

1121
01:06:22,160 --> 01:06:26,040
Speaker 3: has been told he doesn't have that he would be

1122
01:06:26,120 --> 01:06:27,400
Speaker 3: willing to raise the stakes in that way.

1123
01:06:27,760 --> 01:06:28,680
Speaker 2: He's risking it all.

1124
01:06:29,000 --> 01:06:32,280
Speaker 3: I was confused. I was confused, But the stakes were

1125
01:06:32,800 --> 01:06:35,000
Speaker 3: raised regardless of how I feel.

1126
01:06:35,280 --> 01:06:38,360
Speaker 2: This is true and actually that's really good storytelling. So yeah,

1127
01:06:38,680 --> 01:06:42,000
Speaker 2: there you go, there you go. Okay, so Seamus transports

1128
01:06:42,120 --> 01:06:46,360
Speaker 2: them to the middle of Kyle and Russell's the biggest

1129
01:06:46,520 --> 01:06:48,040
Speaker 2: game yet it.

1130
01:06:48,200 --> 01:06:50,760
Speaker 3: Is so well because the Telton games I thought was

1131
01:06:50,840 --> 01:06:53,080
Speaker 3: the big game, but there was bigger games to be had.

1132
01:06:53,160 --> 01:06:58,200
Speaker 3: There's a still somehow another game, and now Riley O'Reilly

1133
01:06:58,400 --> 01:07:01,440
Speaker 3: is chained a basketball.

1134
01:07:00,960 --> 01:07:05,120
Speaker 2: Who yes, yeah, and theoretically everyone everyone can see him

1135
01:07:05,280 --> 01:07:09,160
Speaker 2: to everyone can see him, no one reacts, and when

1136
01:07:09,360 --> 01:07:12,560
Speaker 2: they're playing against Shamus, the referee.

1137
01:07:12,440 --> 01:07:14,640
Speaker 3: Like again, it feels like a studio note of like,

1138
01:07:14,840 --> 01:07:17,560
Speaker 3: well they wouldn't just let Ryan Merriman play basketball, I

1139
01:07:17,600 --> 01:07:21,680
Speaker 3: guess a forty year old, and so they call it

1140
01:07:21,760 --> 01:07:24,680
Speaker 3: out for some reason where I think again, it's like

1141
01:07:24,840 --> 01:07:28,240
Speaker 3: Russell is tasked with having to like spackle the plot

1142
01:07:28,480 --> 01:07:30,840
Speaker 3: where he's like, wait, you're not just gonna let us

1143
01:07:30,920 --> 01:07:33,400
Speaker 3: play against a forty year old and the referee is

1144
01:07:33,480 --> 01:07:40,520
Speaker 3: like trunk whatever, then lets him play against an angry.

1145
01:07:40,240 --> 01:07:44,080
Speaker 2: Forty year old who becomes at one point really like

1146
01:07:44,800 --> 01:07:48,959
Speaker 2: ghoulish looking. He becomes this like Leprechaun monster. But don't

1147
01:07:48,960 --> 01:07:52,840
Speaker 2: worry it has absolutely no consequences or effect on the plot. No,

1148
01:07:53,120 --> 01:07:56,880
Speaker 2: and it happens right before Russell scores the winning basket,

1149
01:07:56,960 --> 01:08:01,080
Speaker 2: although before that they're playing in their Kyle's team is losing,

1150
01:08:01,960 --> 01:08:05,440
Speaker 2: and then he has to realize that actually, luck doesn't

1151
01:08:05,480 --> 01:08:09,680
Speaker 2: come from a lucky coin, it comes from your heart.

1152
01:08:10,280 --> 01:08:14,880
Speaker 2: Or maybe luck is confidence and confidence comes from your heart.

1153
01:08:15,600 --> 01:08:20,240
Speaker 3: Or there's a number of possible answers. There's an you

1154
01:08:20,320 --> 01:08:22,519
Speaker 3: can really kind of choose your own adventure as to

1155
01:08:22,640 --> 01:08:26,960
Speaker 3: what the ending means. Also, we randomly see Russell's dad.

1156
01:08:27,040 --> 01:08:30,040
Speaker 3: Russell's dad is presented as like this big I feel

1157
01:08:30,080 --> 01:08:32,280
Speaker 3: like he's presented as a reveal, even though we've been

1158
01:08:32,320 --> 01:08:35,000
Speaker 3: told he exists many times. No, we see him.

1159
01:08:34,920 --> 01:08:36,720
Speaker 2: Earlier in the like we see him pretty early on

1160
01:08:36,800 --> 01:08:37,240
Speaker 2: in the movie.

1161
01:08:37,360 --> 01:08:40,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, we do see it because he's talked about

1162
01:08:40,120 --> 01:08:42,439
Speaker 3: a lot, because Russell's always like my dad, my dad,

1163
01:08:42,520 --> 01:08:44,560
Speaker 3: my dad, And you're like, okay, this is going to

1164
01:08:44,640 --> 01:08:47,800
Speaker 3: be another person of call our best friend whose family

1165
01:08:47,840 --> 01:08:50,360
Speaker 3: we never meet. I guess we technically meet his family.

1166
01:08:50,479 --> 01:08:54,120
Speaker 3: But also it's just weird that Bonnie and Russell. You

1167
01:08:54,160 --> 01:08:56,720
Speaker 3: know this happens, but I just thought it was weird

1168
01:08:56,800 --> 01:09:00,600
Speaker 3: that they were both like, here's their dad, and because

1169
01:09:01,040 --> 01:09:04,920
Speaker 3: this story is like pretty aggressively disinterested in women and

1170
01:09:05,080 --> 01:09:09,400
Speaker 3: specifically mothers, because it's like, to me, Kyle's mother is

1171
01:09:09,600 --> 01:09:13,680
Speaker 3: very important until the grandfather's introduced, and then she all

1172
01:09:13,760 --> 01:09:16,280
Speaker 3: but disappears from the movie for sure. It was like

1173
01:09:16,520 --> 01:09:18,400
Speaker 3: they just were waiting for it to get to a

1174
01:09:18,479 --> 01:09:20,720
Speaker 3: point where it could be about fathers and sons, and

1175
01:09:20,840 --> 01:09:23,360
Speaker 3: then they kind of do away with her, like.

1176
01:09:23,439 --> 01:09:26,280
Speaker 2: This movie could easily write out the grandpa character and

1177
01:09:26,439 --> 01:09:30,360
Speaker 2: just just have Kyle's mom take on that role.

1178
01:09:30,520 --> 01:09:33,360
Speaker 3: Well, but then how are there be a potato chip factory.

1179
01:09:33,160 --> 01:09:37,160
Speaker 2: Caitlin, Well, yeah, and that's a hugely important part of

1180
01:09:37,280 --> 01:09:37,960
Speaker 2: the stories.

1181
01:09:38,400 --> 01:09:42,439
Speaker 3: I'm guessing that that's a big reason stand that's corrected. Yeah.

1182
01:09:43,200 --> 01:09:46,759
Speaker 2: Also, I was wondering, like, so my best guess about like, Okay,

1183
01:09:46,840 --> 01:09:50,880
Speaker 2: we only meet Russell and Bonnie's dads, but not their

1184
01:09:51,040 --> 01:09:56,160
Speaker 2: mom's because both of those characters, Bonnie and Russell have

1185
01:09:56,600 --> 01:10:01,720
Speaker 2: tiny little arcs, but they're both about basketball, and I

1186
01:10:01,840 --> 01:10:04,240
Speaker 2: think the movie was just like, well, okay, they both

1187
01:10:04,360 --> 01:10:07,759
Speaker 2: like basketball, and so their dad has to be involved

1188
01:10:07,800 --> 01:10:11,080
Speaker 2: because sports and basketball are boy things. Even though Bonnie

1189
01:10:11,120 --> 01:10:13,720
Speaker 2: wants to play bad. So like, I don't know, I

1190
01:10:13,840 --> 01:10:16,760
Speaker 2: don't know the logic behind any of this, but it

1191
01:10:17,080 --> 01:10:23,440
Speaker 2: is messy and ridiculous. Yeah, Okay, The point is Kyle's

1192
01:10:23,640 --> 01:10:28,160
Speaker 2: team at the last minute wins the big game to

1193
01:10:28,400 --> 01:10:33,200
Speaker 2: end all big games, which means that Kyle takes back

1194
01:10:33,240 --> 01:10:38,240
Speaker 2: his lucky coin and Seamus is cast away not to

1195
01:10:39,120 --> 01:10:43,519
Speaker 2: era like Seamus Things, which of course is the name

1196
01:10:43,760 --> 01:10:45,839
Speaker 2: of Ireland in the Irish language.

1197
01:10:46,280 --> 01:10:50,800
Speaker 3: Yes, which is I didn't think was clearly explained. No,

1198
01:10:51,040 --> 01:10:54,160
Speaker 3: I had to look it up, not that it's And

1199
01:10:54,280 --> 01:10:56,759
Speaker 3: again it's like it's interesting because there are certain movies

1200
01:10:56,840 --> 01:11:00,280
Speaker 3: we just talked about Daughters of the Dust recently that

1201
01:11:00,520 --> 01:11:04,320
Speaker 3: is like it is a directorial choice and intention to

1202
01:11:04,479 --> 01:11:09,040
Speaker 3: not explain a culture because it is not someone's job

1203
01:11:09,120 --> 01:11:12,000
Speaker 3: to explain their culture to you. But I don't think

1204
01:11:12,040 --> 01:11:15,360
Speaker 3: that really plays here, because no, this whole movie has

1205
01:11:15,400 --> 01:11:19,960
Speaker 3: been presenting very broad Irish stereotypes and also still explaining them.

1206
01:11:20,280 --> 01:11:22,680
Speaker 3: So then to present an actual fact and not tell

1207
01:11:22,760 --> 01:11:24,160
Speaker 3: us what it means is weird.

1208
01:11:25,439 --> 01:11:28,000
Speaker 2: Weird And also you like, consider the audience, this is

1209
01:11:28,320 --> 01:11:31,200
Speaker 2: young people watching it. Yeah, it's like clearly like sort

1210
01:11:31,200 --> 01:11:34,920
Speaker 2: of an educational intention with this movie, but they're not

1211
01:11:35,560 --> 01:11:40,320
Speaker 2: correctly educating the audience. No, Okay, so a little trick

1212
01:11:40,640 --> 01:11:44,519
Speaker 2: because Kyle is a leprechaun and leprecauns love little tricks.

1213
01:11:44,880 --> 01:11:49,639
Speaker 2: He says, I didn't mean Era, I meant Eerie aka

1214
01:11:49,760 --> 01:11:54,320
Speaker 2: the shores of Lake Erie aka Cleveland, Ohio. Oh my god,

1215
01:11:54,800 --> 01:11:59,360
Speaker 2: because Dad, because Kyle's dad is famously from Cleveland. Yeah,

1216
01:11:59,640 --> 01:12:02,960
Speaker 2: there's the small beat with Bonnie and her dad, who

1217
01:12:03,200 --> 01:12:07,320
Speaker 2: is always pressuring her to overachieve. But Bonnie's whole thing

1218
01:12:07,400 --> 01:12:10,200
Speaker 2: is she actually wants to play basketball. And because a

1219
01:12:10,320 --> 01:12:13,200
Speaker 2: white man told Bonnie's dad that he should let her

1220
01:12:13,280 --> 01:12:16,120
Speaker 2: play basketball, He's like, Okay.

1221
01:12:16,000 --> 01:12:19,160
Speaker 3: Sounds great because it turns out this is what she's Yeah,

1222
01:12:19,320 --> 01:12:21,720
Speaker 3: fixed it there. And then Riley r Is like and

1223
01:12:21,840 --> 01:12:24,560
Speaker 3: that's kind of the magic of America, isn't it?

1224
01:12:24,760 --> 01:12:29,880
Speaker 2: And You're like, right, right, right, And then the movie

1225
01:12:30,040 --> 01:12:35,240
Speaker 2: ends with the Heritage Day assembly where Kyle does Irish

1226
01:12:35,400 --> 01:12:38,799
Speaker 2: step dancing because he's fully embracing his Irish heritage.

1227
01:12:38,880 --> 01:12:41,200
Speaker 3: Now, poor Ryan Merriman, I'm like, did they give him

1228
01:12:41,320 --> 01:12:46,640
Speaker 3: even one minute of training? He looks awful, he looks terrible.

1229
01:12:46,360 --> 01:12:49,120
Speaker 2: Doesn't appear to be doing it. Well, and then he

1230
01:12:49,400 --> 01:12:52,639
Speaker 2: leads the crowd in song. Like you said, Jamie, They're

1231
01:12:52,680 --> 01:12:57,280
Speaker 2: singing this land is your island, this line is Mineland,

1232
01:12:58,000 --> 01:13:01,520
Speaker 2: and it's all very yay America.

1233
01:13:02,760 --> 01:13:06,240
Speaker 3: The end, Yeah, it's it's and again like we could

1234
01:13:06,280 --> 01:13:08,519
Speaker 3: get into and there's I believe a lot of good

1235
01:13:08,520 --> 01:13:10,680
Speaker 3: episodes of cool people who did cool stuff about this,

1236
01:13:11,160 --> 01:13:13,720
Speaker 3: like the history of the song this land is Your

1237
01:13:13,840 --> 01:13:17,080
Speaker 3: Land and Woody Guthrie is far more nuanced than the

1238
01:13:17,280 --> 01:13:20,559
Speaker 3: very jingoistic way it's presented here. But I don't think

1239
01:13:20,600 --> 01:13:23,200
Speaker 3: it's intended to I don't think it's put here for

1240
01:13:23,680 --> 01:13:26,720
Speaker 3: the sake of nuance. I think it's just like America

1241
01:13:27,320 --> 01:13:37,280
Speaker 3: is all about, uh, whatever this movie was. And you're like, right, yeah, totally.

1242
01:13:37,439 --> 01:13:40,160
Speaker 2: Well, let's take a quick break and then we'll come

1243
01:13:40,320 --> 01:13:41,040
Speaker 2: back for more.

1244
01:13:51,439 --> 01:13:53,200
Speaker 3: And we're back and we're back.

1245
01:13:53,360 --> 01:13:59,559
Speaker 2: Okay, we've already talked about a lot of the things. Yeah, yeah,

1246
01:13:59,640 --> 01:14:02,160
Speaker 2: I mean, And the big thing with this movie is

1247
01:14:02,640 --> 01:14:09,080
Speaker 2: that it clearly wants to present this idea of like, Wow,

1248
01:14:09,360 --> 01:14:14,040
Speaker 2: America is great because it's so culturally diverse and it's

1249
01:14:14,080 --> 01:14:17,479
Speaker 2: a melting pot and all of our cultural differences from

1250
01:14:17,520 --> 01:14:21,320
Speaker 2: all of our heritages make it awesome.

1251
01:14:21,360 --> 01:14:24,559
Speaker 3: But while avoiding all of the parts of American history

1252
01:14:24,720 --> 01:14:29,719
Speaker 3: that did not support that. It's so it's like, obviously

1253
01:14:29,800 --> 01:14:34,240
Speaker 3: it's like bad for kids to be receiving this messaging

1254
01:14:34,560 --> 01:14:37,080
Speaker 3: in the way that it's bad when kids receive that

1255
01:14:37,120 --> 01:14:41,400
Speaker 3: messaging at school, which the message itself the message of

1256
01:14:41,800 --> 01:14:46,240
Speaker 3: tolerance and the message of like it is a positive

1257
01:14:46,320 --> 01:14:48,840
Speaker 3: thing to be connected with your heritage and to know

1258
01:14:49,040 --> 01:14:52,120
Speaker 3: and understand it and to feel comfortable sharing it with

1259
01:14:52,240 --> 01:14:56,400
Speaker 3: other people. That is true? Is it true that you know,

1260
01:14:56,760 --> 01:15:01,760
Speaker 3: at different points in history there have been opportunities for

1261
01:15:02,200 --> 01:15:07,360
Speaker 3: immigrant communities that were not possible elsewhere. Sure, but it's

1262
01:15:07,640 --> 01:15:12,479
Speaker 3: just so clearly American propaganda that like there's no nuance

1263
01:15:12,560 --> 01:15:17,120
Speaker 3: to what is being said. So it's frustrating. It undercuts

1264
01:15:17,640 --> 01:15:19,679
Speaker 3: what I think is like kind of a nice message,

1265
01:15:19,680 --> 01:15:22,640
Speaker 3: which is like a connection to your native heritage is

1266
01:15:22,680 --> 01:15:27,160
Speaker 3: a positive thing, right, which is like yeah, but it's

1267
01:15:27,280 --> 01:15:30,840
Speaker 3: also tying that in with I mean, like we've talked

1268
01:15:30,840 --> 01:15:32,840
Speaker 3: about on the show a lot, and what is like

1269
01:15:33,080 --> 01:15:36,400
Speaker 3: very clear here is just like, but on top of

1270
01:15:37,080 --> 01:15:42,920
Speaker 3: your native heritage, you're also an American capitalist and you

1271
01:15:43,320 --> 01:15:47,120
Speaker 3: love America, don't you. And there's nothing wrong with America.

1272
01:15:47,160 --> 01:15:50,040
Speaker 3: All we do is play baseball and work really hard

1273
01:15:50,280 --> 01:15:53,320
Speaker 3: and there's no I mean, there's a moment with Kyle

1274
01:15:53,400 --> 01:15:55,400
Speaker 3: and his parents at the beginning where it's like almost

1275
01:15:55,400 --> 01:15:58,800
Speaker 3: presented as a joke where he asks if he's if

1276
01:15:58,840 --> 01:16:01,560
Speaker 3: they're indigenous. He's just throwing out random cultures of like

1277
01:16:01,640 --> 01:16:01,960
Speaker 3: are we this?

1278
01:16:02,120 --> 01:16:02,479
Speaker 5: Are we this?

1279
01:16:02,640 --> 01:16:05,439
Speaker 3: Are we this? And they're like, no, I don't, of

1280
01:16:05,520 --> 01:16:08,839
Speaker 3: course we're not indigenous. You know, Like there are moments

1281
01:16:08,920 --> 01:16:15,360
Speaker 3: where colonialism is acknowledged, right referenced, but I guess referenced

1282
01:16:15,479 --> 01:16:17,560
Speaker 3: is the word, but not acknowledged.

1283
01:16:18,000 --> 01:16:23,360
Speaker 2: The way indigenouity in this movie is handled is very bizarre.

1284
01:16:23,400 --> 01:16:25,519
Speaker 2: I have a whole spill about this. It f you'll

1285
01:16:25,800 --> 01:16:30,360
Speaker 2: indulge me, please. So opening scene of the movie is

1286
01:16:30,439 --> 01:16:36,879
Speaker 2: Kyle's dream. We're in the auditorium. We see like different

1287
01:16:37,240 --> 01:16:41,519
Speaker 2: people from different cultural backgrounds who are never characters that

1288
01:16:41,600 --> 01:16:46,880
Speaker 2: we meet never never. The stage features flags from around

1289
01:16:46,960 --> 01:16:51,559
Speaker 2: the world, including the flag of Israel, the genocidal fake

1290
01:16:51,760 --> 01:16:55,479
Speaker 2: country of Israel. There's the voice over talking about, oh,

1291
01:16:55,600 --> 01:16:59,880
Speaker 2: celebrating our cultural differences. We see a native person dancing

1292
01:17:00,080 --> 01:17:04,080
Speaker 2: on stage. They're in regalia. They're doing what appears to

1293
01:17:04,200 --> 01:17:07,639
Speaker 2: be a traditional Native dance. I am unable to say

1294
01:17:07,720 --> 01:17:11,080
Speaker 2: how authentic any of this is, right, I don't know

1295
01:17:11,200 --> 01:17:14,439
Speaker 2: for sure either way. Again, another character, well, I wouldn't

1296
01:17:14,439 --> 01:17:15,960
Speaker 2: even call him a character, Like, we don't meet this,

1297
01:17:16,040 --> 01:17:18,080
Speaker 2: but they're not a character, you know, we know nothing

1298
01:17:18,120 --> 01:17:22,800
Speaker 2: about them. Yeah, And then again the way indigenouity in

1299
01:17:22,880 --> 01:17:28,360
Speaker 2: this movie is either largely ignored or referenced in very

1300
01:17:28,439 --> 01:17:32,519
Speaker 2: bizarro interactions. The next one is, like you were just

1301
01:17:32,560 --> 01:17:35,960
Speaker 2: talking about Kyle asking his parents where they immigrated from.

1302
01:17:36,000 --> 01:17:39,160
Speaker 2: He says, everyone's family comes from somewhere else if you

1303
01:17:39,240 --> 01:17:44,120
Speaker 2: go far back enough, unless we're Indians meaning native people, right.

1304
01:17:44,080 --> 01:17:48,560
Speaker 3: Which is referencing that, like native people were on this

1305
01:17:48,800 --> 01:17:54,439
Speaker 3: land before. But there's no effort to be like I mean,

1306
01:17:54,520 --> 01:17:57,760
Speaker 3: it's just that like obfuscation of like and then what

1307
01:17:58,000 --> 01:18:02,120
Speaker 3: happened because this is a movie or more importantly, a

1308
01:18:02,240 --> 01:18:07,800
Speaker 3: media company that is ever going to acknowledge colonialism or

1309
01:18:07,880 --> 01:18:12,240
Speaker 3: colonial genocide exactly. And then the dad is like, no,

1310
01:18:13,200 --> 01:18:14,320
Speaker 3: I don't, We're from Cleveland.

1311
01:18:14,360 --> 01:18:17,960
Speaker 2: We're from Cleveland, right. A little bit before that, one

1312
01:18:18,000 --> 01:18:20,640
Speaker 2: of the many times Bonnie goes up to Kyle to

1313
01:18:20,720 --> 01:18:23,040
Speaker 2: ask him about his heritage. And what he's gonna do

1314
01:18:23,160 --> 01:18:27,240
Speaker 2: for the Heritage Day Assembly, and she says America is

1315
01:18:27,280 --> 01:18:30,960
Speaker 2: a nation of immigrants. Everyone's ancestors came from another country,

1316
01:18:31,560 --> 01:18:35,800
Speaker 2: which again not true for people indigenous to Turtle.

1317
01:18:35,560 --> 01:18:38,760
Speaker 3: Island, right. I mean it's oversimplified, like you see what

1318
01:18:38,880 --> 01:18:42,040
Speaker 3: she's saying. But it's what frustrates me more there is

1319
01:18:42,120 --> 01:18:46,320
Speaker 3: that if this were a normal human interaction, she would

1320
01:18:46,360 --> 01:18:48,479
Speaker 3: then be talking about her family exactly.

1321
01:18:48,560 --> 01:18:51,519
Speaker 2: She's like, for example, my family's from x y Z

1322
01:18:51,760 --> 01:18:54,519
Speaker 2: place we don't know. She doesn't offer any information, and

1323
01:18:54,600 --> 01:19:00,200
Speaker 2: then Russell responds, I'm part Cherokee, which number one one

1324
01:19:00,320 --> 01:19:03,640
Speaker 2: contradicts what Bonnie just said, but he says it in

1325
01:19:03,720 --> 01:19:06,280
Speaker 2: such a way where it seems like he's supporting Bonnie's statement.

1326
01:19:06,400 --> 01:19:08,280
Speaker 2: So it's either weird acting or.

1327
01:19:08,600 --> 01:19:10,719
Speaker 3: Just it's not the kid's fault.

1328
01:19:10,760 --> 01:19:11,880
Speaker 2: It's bad writing.

1329
01:19:12,400 --> 01:19:15,120
Speaker 3: It's bad writing. I think that it's genuinely like a

1330
01:19:15,200 --> 01:19:18,400
Speaker 3: writer not even thinking hard enough to realize that that's

1331
01:19:18,439 --> 01:19:20,160
Speaker 3: a contradictory statement for sure.

1332
01:19:20,400 --> 01:19:24,599
Speaker 2: And then if Russell is Afro Indigenous, we learn nothing

1333
01:19:24,680 --> 01:19:27,680
Speaker 2: more about that part of his identity because.

1334
01:19:27,520 --> 01:19:30,760
Speaker 3: We learn that he is part Cherochy and he's it's

1335
01:19:30,840 --> 01:19:34,280
Speaker 3: implied he's descended from enslaved people, right sol.

1336
01:19:34,720 --> 01:19:38,280
Speaker 2: But that's the point, Like there's no attention or care

1337
01:19:39,240 --> 01:19:44,720
Speaker 2: about any character's cultural heritage or ethnic heritage except for

1338
01:19:45,439 --> 01:19:48,840
Speaker 2: the white kid whose family's from Ireland.

1339
01:19:48,800 --> 01:19:53,360
Speaker 3: And which is like, you know, Irish heritage valid, great,

1340
01:19:53,760 --> 01:19:56,920
Speaker 3: love it, We've got it, we love it. But it

1341
01:19:57,120 --> 01:20:01,439
Speaker 3: is it is glaring that in this like fairly diverse

1342
01:20:01,560 --> 01:20:05,000
Speaker 3: cast of kids that it's only the white kid who's

1343
01:20:06,360 --> 01:20:10,000
Speaker 3: I feel like and this is not to put down

1344
01:20:10,439 --> 01:20:13,120
Speaker 3: my Irish brethren, but it is sort of present the

1345
01:20:13,240 --> 01:20:17,559
Speaker 3: way that the very real oppression of Irish people, which

1346
01:20:17,600 --> 01:20:22,439
Speaker 3: again is it's not really said who why things were hard?

1347
01:20:22,680 --> 01:20:25,519
Speaker 3: And then we came to America? Who was oppressing us?

1348
01:20:25,760 --> 01:20:28,680
Speaker 3: Why America? Like you know, all of these questions that

1349
01:20:28,760 --> 01:20:32,200
Speaker 3: there are clear answers for, but that it's presented that

1350
01:20:32,479 --> 01:20:38,360
Speaker 3: like Irish people are uniquely oppressed in a way that

1351
01:20:39,520 --> 01:20:42,480
Speaker 3: is just like, no, this is this is how colonial

1352
01:20:42,600 --> 01:20:47,959
Speaker 3: oppression works. You know, it's not explained what the oppression

1353
01:20:48,120 --> 01:20:50,479
Speaker 3: is and it's sort of presented as like and this

1354
01:20:50,680 --> 01:20:53,960
Speaker 3: is the only time that's ever happened, which again is like,

1355
01:20:54,200 --> 01:20:57,440
Speaker 3: you know, this movie is like obviously a bad educational

1356
01:20:57,600 --> 01:20:59,320
Speaker 3: tool if that's what it's supposed to be, which I

1357
01:20:59,360 --> 01:21:02,679
Speaker 3: don't think it is. But but it's just like, okay,

1358
01:21:02,920 --> 01:21:09,880
Speaker 3: if we're acknowledging that Russell's ancestors were enslaved, like we

1359
01:21:10,040 --> 01:21:13,840
Speaker 3: know nothing about Bonnie's ancestors. Like, it's just I think

1360
01:21:13,880 --> 01:21:16,880
Speaker 3: it presents this weird form of in the way that

1361
01:21:16,920 --> 01:21:20,160
Speaker 3: I think Irish culture is sometimes sort of used as

1362
01:21:20,200 --> 01:21:22,000
Speaker 3: a way of being like, well, white people have been

1363
01:21:22,000 --> 01:21:26,800
Speaker 3: oppressed too, and you're like okay, like okay, but that

1364
01:21:27,040 --> 01:21:28,920
Speaker 3: but but it's I feel like it's sometimes used as

1365
01:21:28,920 --> 01:21:33,280
Speaker 3: a way to obvious gate how disproportionately non white cultures

1366
01:21:33,479 --> 01:21:37,479
Speaker 3: are oppressed by white cultures, right, So it just feels

1367
01:21:38,120 --> 01:21:40,800
Speaker 3: like I'm not opposed to the premise. Well, I don't

1368
01:21:40,800 --> 01:21:42,519
Speaker 3: even know if that's true. I'm not opposed to the

1369
01:21:42,560 --> 01:21:46,960
Speaker 3: premise of like acknowledging oppression of the Irish, which by

1370
01:21:47,000 --> 01:21:48,960
Speaker 3: the way, is not a completely white culture, but like,

1371
01:21:49,600 --> 01:21:52,200
Speaker 3: I'm not opposed to that, but it is weird to

1372
01:21:52,320 --> 01:21:55,880
Speaker 3: do it in the framing device of a heritage fair

1373
01:21:56,120 --> 01:22:01,080
Speaker 3: and not acknowledge any other heritage. Not only not acknowledge

1374
01:22:01,080 --> 01:22:06,680
Speaker 3: any other heritage, but not acknowledge any other culture's oppression.

1375
01:22:07,040 --> 01:22:11,640
Speaker 2: Right, except for in very passing again Bizarrow lines of

1376
01:22:11,760 --> 01:22:15,479
Speaker 2: dialogue when Yah Russell says, well, at least the Irish

1377
01:22:15,560 --> 01:22:19,599
Speaker 2: people were paid. Just mind boggling.

1378
01:22:19,800 --> 01:22:22,000
Speaker 3: I think it sucks that they made a kid say that,

1379
01:22:22,439 --> 01:22:22,760
Speaker 3: I know.

1380
01:22:23,720 --> 01:22:27,679
Speaker 2: And then you have Bonnie Lopez, who we can presume

1381
01:22:28,360 --> 01:22:31,000
Speaker 2: because we have to presume because the movie doesn't give

1382
01:22:31,080 --> 01:22:35,760
Speaker 2: us any more information, but we could potentially presume that

1383
01:22:35,960 --> 01:22:40,080
Speaker 2: she's Latina based on her last name and her father

1384
01:22:40,200 --> 01:22:41,320
Speaker 2: who we meet at the end.

1385
01:22:42,040 --> 01:22:45,760
Speaker 3: It seems like she is like a first generation American,

1386
01:22:46,880 --> 01:22:48,760
Speaker 3: but that's all we know, and we only know that

1387
01:22:48,840 --> 01:22:51,360
Speaker 3: at the very end. And I think that they're also

1388
01:22:51,479 --> 01:22:55,960
Speaker 3: kind of trafficking in some cultural stereotypes around immigrant parents

1389
01:22:56,000 --> 01:22:59,080
Speaker 3: there too, because Bonnie is there's a lot of pressure

1390
01:22:59,200 --> 01:23:01,559
Speaker 3: on her to go to med school, there's a lot

1391
01:23:01,600 --> 01:23:04,719
Speaker 3: of pressure on her to excel. She kind of implies

1392
01:23:04,760 --> 01:23:07,600
Speaker 3: it multiple points in the movie that like if she

1393
01:23:07,800 --> 01:23:10,240
Speaker 3: doesn't do well in school, her parents are going to

1394
01:23:10,280 --> 01:23:12,200
Speaker 3: be or her dad specifically is going to be very

1395
01:23:12,320 --> 01:23:15,120
Speaker 3: upset with her, which is, you know, like just a

1396
01:23:15,200 --> 01:23:19,920
Speaker 3: stereotype around immigrant parents in the US writ large for sure,

1397
01:23:20,000 --> 01:23:23,880
Speaker 3: that is presented with absolutely no nuance because we don't

1398
01:23:23,920 --> 01:23:26,920
Speaker 3: know anything about her family. It's like a shock. I

1399
01:23:27,040 --> 01:23:29,080
Speaker 3: was honestly shocked we met her father at all.

1400
01:23:29,520 --> 01:23:33,040
Speaker 2: Same Yeah, and he's truly on screen for fifteen seconds

1401
01:23:33,160 --> 01:23:34,320
Speaker 2: at the very end of the movie.

1402
01:23:34,680 --> 01:23:36,439
Speaker 3: And what I found to be ultimately a kind of

1403
01:23:36,560 --> 01:23:40,560
Speaker 3: depressing interaction because first of all, the movie does not

1404
01:23:40,680 --> 01:23:43,560
Speaker 3: tell us that Bonnie actually wants to play basketball, and

1405
01:23:43,600 --> 01:23:46,040
Speaker 3: then at the end she gets to, but it's only

1406
01:23:46,240 --> 01:23:48,280
Speaker 3: sort of through deception.

1407
01:23:49,000 --> 01:23:54,200
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, it's because Riley O'Reilly is like, hey, Bonnie's dad,

1408
01:23:54,680 --> 01:23:57,439
Speaker 2: you need to let her play so that she can

1409
01:23:57,520 --> 01:24:02,040
Speaker 2: get an internship or a scholarship or whatever my potato factory.

1410
01:24:03,040 --> 01:24:04,760
Speaker 2: So let her play basketball.

1411
01:24:04,920 --> 01:24:07,240
Speaker 3: And then he's like, oh, great, okay, I'll let her

1412
01:24:07,320 --> 01:24:09,679
Speaker 3: do that now. And then Bonnie says whatever you say, dad,

1413
01:24:09,760 --> 01:24:13,240
Speaker 3: and you're like, ooh, that's bleak like that. You know,

1414
01:24:13,640 --> 01:24:16,879
Speaker 3: She's like, well, I don't think that relationship was improved

1415
01:24:16,920 --> 01:24:21,080
Speaker 3: at all, So yeah, I don't know's there's also a

1416
01:24:21,160 --> 01:24:25,840
Speaker 3: lot of references to like American individualism and you know,

1417
01:24:26,720 --> 01:24:29,960
Speaker 3: implying that, and I think that this is like again

1418
01:24:30,040 --> 01:24:32,920
Speaker 3: where like the heritage messaging gets a little muddled, is

1419
01:24:33,040 --> 01:24:35,639
Speaker 3: like it. I think there's a specific line of dialogue

1420
01:24:35,680 --> 01:24:37,760
Speaker 3: that I have so many notes, I can't find it.

1421
01:24:37,960 --> 01:24:41,000
Speaker 3: But there's a specific line of dialogue that like references

1422
01:24:41,000 --> 01:24:43,919
Speaker 3: where it's like and it is a sort of satirical

1423
01:24:44,000 --> 01:24:46,360
Speaker 3: line of dialogue because it's before we find out he's

1424
01:24:46,400 --> 01:24:50,400
Speaker 3: Irish the reveal, but that like America is a place

1425
01:24:50,400 --> 01:24:53,280
Speaker 3: where you can really be an individual who cares about

1426
01:24:53,320 --> 01:24:56,439
Speaker 3: your heritage. I think it's something that his dad says, yeah,

1427
01:24:56,439 --> 01:24:58,640
Speaker 3: and so I think so. But I don't think that

1428
01:24:58,760 --> 01:25:00,920
Speaker 3: the movie really does a lot to push back on

1429
01:25:01,920 --> 01:25:04,920
Speaker 3: the fact that it's very possible to be an individual

1430
01:25:05,439 --> 01:25:08,040
Speaker 3: in other cultures. It's sort of presented as like America

1431
01:25:08,160 --> 01:25:11,080
Speaker 3: is the only place you can be a distinct individual,

1432
01:25:11,840 --> 01:25:15,360
Speaker 3: and other cultures are so all consuming that if you

1433
01:25:15,479 --> 01:25:17,920
Speaker 3: engage with them even a little, you will shrink a

1434
01:25:18,080 --> 01:25:23,600
Speaker 3: foot or sprout a beard, or like begin dancing uncontrollably,

1435
01:25:24,200 --> 01:25:28,080
Speaker 3: and so like being American is presented as the norm and.

1436
01:25:28,400 --> 01:25:31,880
Speaker 2: The cure to your leprechaun disease.

1437
01:25:32,760 --> 01:25:37,320
Speaker 3: Yeah. So yeah, there's just like this is ultimately in

1438
01:25:37,360 --> 01:25:39,640
Speaker 3: a movie that is supposed to be about Ireland, it

1439
01:25:39,800 --> 01:25:45,280
Speaker 3: is way more about America, yes, and about American understanding

1440
01:25:45,560 --> 01:25:47,680
Speaker 3: of other cultures, and I think it is kind of

1441
01:25:47,760 --> 01:25:51,720
Speaker 3: like an interesting case study there because it's like like

1442
01:25:52,320 --> 01:25:57,600
Speaker 3: most like American propagandistic systems, like it's only interested in

1443
01:25:57,680 --> 01:26:00,360
Speaker 3: presenting broad stereotypes and saying we're fine with this, but

1444
01:26:00,520 --> 01:26:04,160
Speaker 3: ultimately you're American, right, which is why I think part

1445
01:26:04,200 --> 01:26:07,320
Speaker 3: of why and also just because I assume this movie

1446
01:26:07,439 --> 01:26:10,519
Speaker 3: was made in forty five minutes, why the actual facts

1447
01:26:10,560 --> 01:26:15,880
Speaker 3: about Irish culture are? You know, there are facts there,

1448
01:26:16,479 --> 01:26:20,760
Speaker 3: there's other facts sort of half there, and then there's

1449
01:26:21,000 --> 01:26:25,559
Speaker 3: just broad stereotypes presented all alongside each other. Really hard

1450
01:26:25,600 --> 01:26:29,000
Speaker 3: to distinguish, especially if you're a kid watching this, distinguishing

1451
01:26:29,040 --> 01:26:31,400
Speaker 3: what's real and what isn't sure because it is like

1452
01:26:31,520 --> 01:26:33,880
Speaker 3: being Irish means you could be a leprechaun. That was

1453
01:26:34,160 --> 01:26:37,680
Speaker 3: sort of my takeaway. It's not really pushedback on that.

1454
01:26:37,760 --> 01:26:39,120
Speaker 3: There's just Irish people.

1455
01:26:39,840 --> 01:26:44,960
Speaker 2: Right, yeah, because I think every well, okay, it seems

1456
01:26:44,960 --> 01:26:50,320
Speaker 2: as though Riley O'Reilly has hired nothing but Irish expats

1457
01:26:50,760 --> 01:26:52,439
Speaker 2: slash immigrants.

1458
01:26:52,720 --> 01:26:55,160
Speaker 3: To work in his potato factory, right, which does make

1459
01:26:55,240 --> 01:26:58,439
Speaker 3: all Irish people seem deceptive and evil. Also not a

1460
01:26:58,520 --> 01:26:59,479
Speaker 3: great vibe, but.

1461
01:26:59,560 --> 01:27:02,439
Speaker 2: It's also like, well, are they also leprechaun? Like the

1462
01:27:02,600 --> 01:27:04,600
Speaker 2: movie again, the world building is.

1463
01:27:04,720 --> 01:27:08,080
Speaker 3: We have no idea. I'm I think it is implied

1464
01:27:08,479 --> 01:27:13,720
Speaker 3: via Seamus that any Irish person has the ability to

1465
01:27:13,840 --> 01:27:15,960
Speaker 3: become a Leprechaun. And it also kind of gets a

1466
01:27:16,000 --> 01:27:20,080
Speaker 3: little bit eugenicsy because they're like, oh, well, Kyle's not

1467
01:27:20,400 --> 01:27:23,439
Speaker 3: full Irish, so he can only become half Leprechaun. And

1468
01:27:23,479 --> 01:27:27,559
Speaker 3: you're like, I'm not loving the how Matthey we're getting

1469
01:27:27,680 --> 01:27:32,080
Speaker 3: with this. It's again, this is nothing the movie is

1470
01:27:32,120 --> 01:27:34,479
Speaker 3: intending to do. The movie is just I think, intending

1471
01:27:34,600 --> 01:27:39,760
Speaker 3: to come out on time. But it is interesting the

1472
01:27:39,920 --> 01:27:44,880
Speaker 3: kind of crutches they use to accomplish that. I guess I.

1473
01:27:44,960 --> 01:27:49,280
Speaker 2: Wonder if there were like white children in two thousand

1474
01:27:49,280 --> 01:27:53,280
Speaker 2: and one, and there were on there were two of

1475
01:27:53,400 --> 01:27:59,479
Speaker 2: them who saw this movie and perhaps felt seen by

1476
01:28:00,400 --> 01:28:03,880
Speaker 2: the riot by the Kyle character not knowing and like

1477
01:28:03,960 --> 01:28:09,040
Speaker 2: being curious about his cultural identity and heritage but not

1478
01:28:09,320 --> 01:28:10,680
Speaker 2: really knowing anything about it.

1479
01:28:10,800 --> 01:28:12,960
Speaker 3: But other than that, I think that that's what the

1480
01:28:13,040 --> 01:28:16,760
Speaker 3: movie ultimately kind of does that felt unique to me,

1481
01:28:17,200 --> 01:28:21,640
Speaker 3: was acknowledged. This kind of I think pretty common but

1482
01:28:21,800 --> 01:28:25,400
Speaker 3: not often acknowledged truth that like, and I think that

1483
01:28:25,520 --> 01:28:29,000
Speaker 3: that is like a tool of colonialism is if you

1484
01:28:29,120 --> 01:28:31,560
Speaker 3: are completely you know, if you as a white, a

1485
01:28:32,240 --> 01:28:36,479
Speaker 3: white American, are completely estranged from your culture of origin

1486
01:28:36,640 --> 01:28:40,120
Speaker 3: and encouraged to believe that you are just American, you

1487
01:28:40,240 --> 01:28:43,519
Speaker 3: are therefore encouraged to believe that America belongs to you.

1488
01:28:44,720 --> 01:28:46,759
Speaker 3: So I think it is like it is a tool

1489
01:28:46,800 --> 01:28:50,559
Speaker 3: of colonialism to estrange anyone from their culture. But it's

1490
01:28:50,680 --> 01:28:54,480
Speaker 3: kind of like this different pernicious thing with white cultures specifically.

1491
01:28:55,080 --> 01:28:55,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure.

1492
01:28:56,160 --> 01:29:00,760
Speaker 3: And also this movie doesn't care about women, obvious, they

1493
01:29:00,800 --> 01:29:05,759
Speaker 3: said women suck and they're boring Bonnie, Bonnie. I'm curious.

1494
01:29:06,680 --> 01:29:09,320
Speaker 3: It did remind me a bit about how I mean,

1495
01:29:09,479 --> 01:29:14,680
Speaker 3: because Disney Channel dcoms very often have a little romance,

1496
01:29:15,880 --> 01:29:18,960
Speaker 3: to the point where it felt curious that the what

1497
01:29:19,160 --> 01:29:21,880
Speaker 3: I think would ordinarily be a romance between Kyle and

1498
01:29:22,000 --> 01:29:25,800
Speaker 3: Bonnie was not expanded upon a little more. And I wonder,

1499
01:29:26,560 --> 01:29:28,559
Speaker 3: I don't know, I just I'm putting that out there

1500
01:29:28,680 --> 01:29:31,360
Speaker 3: because there is you know, the further you go back

1501
01:29:31,400 --> 01:29:34,800
Speaker 3: in time, the more resistance there is to showing an

1502
01:29:34,960 --> 01:29:39,599
Speaker 3: interracial romantic interest. And I can't think of a ton

1503
01:29:39,680 --> 01:29:43,680
Speaker 3: of d cooms where that happens. I'm not stating that

1504
01:29:43,800 --> 01:29:45,720
Speaker 3: that's what's happening here. It also could just be that

1505
01:29:45,800 --> 01:29:49,840
Speaker 3: the movie is a mess, but I did want to

1506
01:29:49,840 --> 01:29:52,599
Speaker 3: shut that out. And also that Bonnie, as with any

1507
01:29:54,920 --> 01:29:59,080
Speaker 3: many women characters, seems to only care about what happens

1508
01:29:59,080 --> 01:30:01,720
Speaker 3: to Kyle. She has no life outside. The one thing

1509
01:30:01,800 --> 01:30:04,400
Speaker 3: we know about her is that she's very smart.

1510
01:30:05,080 --> 01:30:07,919
Speaker 2: She's in charge of a lot of extracurricular clubs.

1511
01:30:08,560 --> 01:30:12,080
Speaker 3: But it doesn't appear that she has any friends because

1512
01:30:12,160 --> 01:30:14,600
Speaker 3: I wouldn't for much of the movie describe her and

1513
01:30:14,680 --> 01:30:17,479
Speaker 3: Kyle as friends, right. It seems like they're kind there's

1514
01:30:17,560 --> 01:30:20,120
Speaker 3: kind of an antagonistic relationship, but we don't really see

1515
01:30:20,120 --> 01:30:22,160
Speaker 3: her talk to anybody else. She sort of just walks

1516
01:30:22,200 --> 01:30:24,240
Speaker 3: out of the ether and it's like, Kyle, are you

1517
01:30:24,400 --> 01:30:25,040
Speaker 3: irish or not?

1518
01:30:26,400 --> 01:30:29,040
Speaker 2: Her whole function in the story, yeah, is to support

1519
01:30:29,560 --> 01:30:32,320
Speaker 2: Kyle's journey that he's going.

1520
01:30:32,280 --> 01:30:36,720
Speaker 3: Journey to being irish, which is like so silly, And

1521
01:30:37,240 --> 01:30:40,320
Speaker 3: again it just there are small, as with most of

1522
01:30:40,360 --> 01:30:44,719
Speaker 3: these movies, small modifications to the story that include Bonnie

1523
01:30:44,800 --> 01:30:49,280
Speaker 3: being like, for example, like it still can be Kyle's story,

1524
01:30:49,360 --> 01:30:52,240
Speaker 3: but like how would it not help the story for

1525
01:30:52,360 --> 01:30:55,960
Speaker 3: her to say, like, for example, this is my connection

1526
01:30:56,080 --> 01:30:58,720
Speaker 3: to my culture, and I find it very affirming. It's

1527
01:30:58,840 --> 01:31:02,559
Speaker 3: very important to me. I like blah blah blah, get

1528
01:31:02,640 --> 01:31:06,600
Speaker 3: specific about it that helps tell the story. So it

1529
01:31:06,760 --> 01:31:09,920
Speaker 3: just feels like this weird void where like, you know,

1530
01:31:10,320 --> 01:31:14,920
Speaker 3: to speculate, a white writer doesn't know anything about any

1531
01:31:15,000 --> 01:31:18,439
Speaker 3: cultures that aren't their own and didn't even bother to

1532
01:31:19,200 --> 01:31:22,519
Speaker 3: research it for the sake of this character. Right, same

1533
01:31:22,640 --> 01:31:27,360
Speaker 3: goes for Russell, really any character, and also frankly the

1534
01:31:27,439 --> 01:31:31,320
Speaker 3: same goes for Kyle because there's really not a lot

1535
01:31:31,400 --> 01:31:36,040
Speaker 3: of Irish information in the story. There's a lot of stuff, just.

1536
01:31:36,120 --> 01:31:41,880
Speaker 2: A lot of either conflation or like things that your

1537
01:31:41,920 --> 01:31:48,479
Speaker 2: average American associates with Irish cultures, such as leprechauns, pots

1538
01:31:48,520 --> 01:31:52,000
Speaker 2: of gold at the end of a rainbow, the color green,

1539
01:31:52,400 --> 01:31:55,280
Speaker 2: Like the amount of green in the production design in

1540
01:31:55,320 --> 01:31:58,000
Speaker 2: this movie is astonishing.

1541
01:31:57,479 --> 01:31:59,519
Speaker 3: Which I mean again, this is like in the same

1542
01:31:59,600 --> 01:32:04,439
Speaker 3: way that Dcom's had like a Hanuka movie Capital h

1543
01:32:05,320 --> 01:32:07,960
Speaker 3: this is these Saint Patrick's Day movie, I think just

1544
01:32:08,040 --> 01:32:11,080
Speaker 3: because they didn't have one, and so it feels very

1545
01:32:11,280 --> 01:32:14,640
Speaker 3: rushy and very like what are people like it's it's

1546
01:32:14,720 --> 01:32:19,599
Speaker 3: more presenting the commercial holiday versus anything else, because I mean,

1547
01:32:19,760 --> 01:32:22,760
Speaker 3: and there is you know, the leprechauns are a bit

1548
01:32:22,840 --> 01:32:27,920
Speaker 3: of Irish folklore. In American media, they're presented it seems

1549
01:32:28,000 --> 01:32:32,280
Speaker 3: like pretty incorrectly. I did a little bit of did

1550
01:32:32,360 --> 01:32:34,639
Speaker 3: you do some leprechaun research? A little bit. They're they're

1551
01:32:34,680 --> 01:32:37,160
Speaker 3: wearing red most of the time. They're not even usually

1552
01:32:37,200 --> 01:32:37,760
Speaker 3: wearing green.

1553
01:32:38,040 --> 01:32:40,639
Speaker 2: This is correct. I did a little bit of research,

1554
01:32:40,880 --> 01:32:44,040
Speaker 2: and I mean suffice it to say that everything we

1555
01:32:44,200 --> 01:32:46,240
Speaker 2: see a lot of what we see in this movie

1556
01:32:47,040 --> 01:32:50,160
Speaker 2: is either it's just like a home a stereotype, or

1557
01:32:50,280 --> 01:32:54,960
Speaker 2: an oversimplification of it, or just like flat out incorrect.

1558
01:32:55,720 --> 01:32:58,160
Speaker 2: I forgot to say that part of my just general

1559
01:32:59,240 --> 01:33:04,040
Speaker 2: history with Irish culture in Ireland is that I also

1560
01:33:04,120 --> 01:33:06,080
Speaker 2: have been to Ireland a couple of times, mostly to

1561
01:33:06,160 --> 01:33:07,800
Speaker 2: do comedy and.

1562
01:33:07,960 --> 01:33:11,240
Speaker 3: To go to see Titanic related things.

1563
01:33:11,360 --> 01:33:15,680
Speaker 2: Because I went to Northern Ireland, which I know is

1564
01:33:15,720 --> 01:33:19,160
Speaker 2: a different country than Ireland, just so listeners know that

1565
01:33:19,240 --> 01:33:23,240
Speaker 2: I know their distinction. I went to Belfast to visit

1566
01:33:23,360 --> 01:33:26,120
Speaker 2: the Titanic Museum, of course, but also when I was

1567
01:33:26,240 --> 01:33:31,479
Speaker 2: in Dublin, I went to the National Leprechaun Museum of Ireland.

1568
01:33:32,200 --> 01:33:34,439
Speaker 2: And I will say that I forgot everything I learned

1569
01:33:34,479 --> 01:33:37,800
Speaker 2: because it was seven years ago. Okay, so I don't

1570
01:33:37,920 --> 01:33:40,720
Speaker 2: really didn't really retain, but I remember learning a lot

1571
01:33:40,840 --> 01:33:46,599
Speaker 2: about Irish folklore, folklore specific to leprechauns, how it's almost

1572
01:33:46,760 --> 01:33:52,560
Speaker 2: always misrepresented in popular media. So yeah, I found it

1573
01:33:52,680 --> 01:34:00,240
Speaker 2: very interesting. Yeah again, this movie's representation of leprechauns. You know,

1574
01:34:00,400 --> 01:34:04,599
Speaker 2: it's I would say, not super accurate, safety say.

1575
01:34:04,760 --> 01:34:08,280
Speaker 3: And it's like again, it's just it's it's the disney

1576
01:34:08,360 --> 01:34:11,920
Speaker 3: fied version of it, but like also something even weirder

1577
01:34:12,040 --> 01:34:14,759
Speaker 3: than that, and I can't really under I don't understand

1578
01:34:14,760 --> 01:34:18,960
Speaker 3: what the hell's going on. Dcoms were Look say what

1579
01:34:19,120 --> 01:34:21,920
Speaker 3: you will, because most of them are bad, but there

1580
01:34:22,040 --> 01:34:26,040
Speaker 3: is a lawlessness to a dcom that I find very

1581
01:34:26,160 --> 01:34:31,040
Speaker 3: nostalgically appealing, where like they were doing whatever, oh, they

1582
01:34:31,080 --> 01:34:35,920
Speaker 3: were doing whatever and just throwing They said, here's your slop, kids,

1583
01:34:36,360 --> 01:34:37,600
Speaker 3: and we were and we were loving them.

1584
01:34:37,840 --> 01:34:42,400
Speaker 2: Here's your here's the spaghetti slash weird glass noodle dish

1585
01:34:42,520 --> 01:34:46,240
Speaker 2: that's surrounded by romaine lettuce and an enormous bowl. Throw

1586
01:34:46,280 --> 01:34:48,880
Speaker 2: it against the wall and see what sticks.

1587
01:34:48,880 --> 01:34:52,320
Speaker 3: Eat up, bitch, and like we and I was eating up.

1588
01:34:52,439 --> 01:34:55,720
Speaker 3: I was slurping it up and loving it, and so

1589
01:34:56,160 --> 01:35:03,800
Speaker 3: was acclaimed genius Ryan Coogler. So look, I'm glad that

1590
01:35:04,240 --> 01:35:08,160
Speaker 3: mister Kogler brought this to our attention. I would be

1591
01:35:08,240 --> 01:35:11,680
Speaker 3: really curious how he felt on a rewatch. I did

1592
01:35:11,760 --> 01:35:13,840
Speaker 3: want to just share because we've got to wrap up,

1593
01:35:13,880 --> 01:35:16,559
Speaker 3: but I just want to share. I read an interview

1594
01:35:16,640 --> 01:35:21,519
Speaker 3: with the screenwriter that was like refreshingly honest. I believe

1595
01:35:21,560 --> 01:35:25,679
Speaker 3: Andrew Price is his name. This was an interview online

1596
01:35:25,720 --> 01:35:28,240
Speaker 3: from a while ago where he basically admits he did

1597
01:35:28,280 --> 01:35:32,360
Speaker 3: no research. So he's asked the movie centers on heritage.

1598
01:35:32,439 --> 01:35:34,599
Speaker 3: Is that an aspect of life you feel strongly about?

1599
01:35:35,479 --> 01:35:37,960
Speaker 3: And he says I used his search for heritage as

1600
01:35:37,960 --> 01:35:39,720
Speaker 3: a jumping off point for what I hoped to be

1601
01:35:39,760 --> 01:35:43,080
Speaker 3: a more personal story. After reading my first draft, my

1602
01:35:43,200 --> 01:35:45,599
Speaker 3: wife kept trying to convince me I was writing about

1603
01:35:45,640 --> 01:35:48,200
Speaker 3: a boy discovering and coming to terms with being gay.

1604
01:35:48,840 --> 01:35:50,600
Speaker 3: I was more interested in a boy who has to

1605
01:35:50,680 --> 01:35:54,960
Speaker 3: rediscover himself. Since I'm not a leprechaun, I needed defend.

1606
01:35:55,640 --> 01:35:58,760
Speaker 3: This is such a weird interview. He's like it's not

1607
01:35:58,920 --> 01:36:03,320
Speaker 3: about being gay. I'm not a laprechaun. Since I'm not

1608
01:36:03,400 --> 01:36:05,960
Speaker 3: a leprechaun, I needed to find something about Kyle that

1609
01:36:06,080 --> 01:36:08,599
Speaker 3: I could relate to and make personal. Not to harp

1610
01:36:08,640 --> 01:36:11,400
Speaker 3: on my own life experience, but for me, high school

1611
01:36:11,680 --> 01:36:13,960
Speaker 3: was very easy, but college was like an ice bath.

1612
01:36:14,640 --> 01:36:17,200
Speaker 3: I wanted Kyle to have those personal feelings of security

1613
01:36:17,320 --> 01:36:21,040
Speaker 3: followed by confusion, alienation, and fear culminating in a newfound

1614
01:36:21,080 --> 01:36:23,559
Speaker 3: confidence and joy. So I think that was his way

1615
01:36:23,600 --> 01:36:26,080
Speaker 3: of saying, I do not feel strongly about heritage at all.

1616
01:36:26,280 --> 01:36:30,320
Speaker 3: I'm not gay and I'm not a laprechaun, and so

1617
01:36:31,280 --> 01:36:35,439
Speaker 3: that's interesting. A follow up question, I love the character

1618
01:36:35,520 --> 01:36:40,439
Speaker 3: detail that Riley O'Reilly invented potato chips. How much research

1619
01:36:40,520 --> 01:36:44,160
Speaker 3: into Irish history and folklore did you do? The writer replies,

1620
01:36:44,520 --> 01:36:47,240
Speaker 3: I did a little research into the culture, read books

1621
01:36:47,400 --> 01:36:51,800
Speaker 3: and watched some Irish dancing, as well as ate some

1622
01:36:51,960 --> 01:36:55,360
Speaker 3: of the food. However, I didn't want to feel hemmed

1623
01:36:55,400 --> 01:36:57,479
Speaker 3: in by mythology and wanted my story to come from

1624
01:36:57,520 --> 01:36:59,960
Speaker 3: my own imagination. I use what I read as color,

1625
01:37:00,080 --> 01:37:02,560
Speaker 3: but didn't go too deeply in the actual folklore. So

1626
01:37:02,960 --> 01:37:05,439
Speaker 3: if there was any question, he was like, I read

1627
01:37:05,520 --> 01:37:09,439
Speaker 3: a book and I ate a piece of cabbage and

1628
01:37:09,600 --> 01:37:13,120
Speaker 3: I watched River Dance, and then I was kind of like,

1629
01:37:13,520 --> 01:37:16,120
Speaker 3: I get it. And then he just freeform jazzed all

1630
01:37:16,200 --> 01:37:18,920
Speaker 3: over Ireland since I'm not a leprechaun, which I think

1631
01:37:19,000 --> 01:37:22,679
Speaker 3: is his way of saying, since I'm not Irish, since

1632
01:37:22,680 --> 01:37:27,680
Speaker 3: I'm not a leprecaun. So it's just like I don't know,

1633
01:37:27,920 --> 01:37:30,360
Speaker 3: I don't know, and then there and then the interview

1634
01:37:30,479 --> 01:37:32,400
Speaker 3: ends like have you written another movie since this? And

1635
01:37:32,479 --> 01:37:34,759
Speaker 3: he's like, no, no one wants them for some reason.

1636
01:37:39,400 --> 01:37:43,120
Speaker 3: It's funny. It's funny. Men.

1637
01:37:43,600 --> 01:37:53,320
Speaker 2: In my research about leprechauns, I learned that listeners from

1638
01:37:53,439 --> 01:37:58,840
Speaker 2: Ireland please share your experience with this, but I learned

1639
01:37:58,920 --> 01:38:05,000
Speaker 2: that a not insignificant number of Irish people believe in

1640
01:38:05,120 --> 01:38:08,920
Speaker 2: leprechauns currently or believe they once existed in the past.

1641
01:38:09,640 --> 01:38:13,200
Speaker 3: Okay, so Irish listeners sound off, Yeah, is this is

1642
01:38:13,240 --> 01:38:13,839
Speaker 3: this accurate?

1643
01:38:14,160 --> 01:38:14,400
Speaker 5: Are we?

1644
01:38:14,760 --> 01:38:18,760
Speaker 3: Yeah? And and if you do believe in leprechauns, tell

1645
01:38:18,840 --> 01:38:21,880
Speaker 3: us I'm I'm open. I'm open to being swayed. I

1646
01:38:22,000 --> 01:38:24,200
Speaker 3: believe in all sorts of shit.

1647
01:38:25,520 --> 01:38:29,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, we we you know, many of us believe in

1648
01:38:29,800 --> 01:38:33,640
Speaker 2: I'm a Taurus, therefore I'm I'm stubborn, and also I

1649
01:38:33,800 --> 01:38:36,400
Speaker 2: like to lie down a lot on a comfy bed.

1650
01:38:37,040 --> 01:38:42,200
Speaker 3: It's true, it's true. I've seen it, so you know that.

1651
01:38:43,080 --> 01:38:47,559
Speaker 3: So it doesn't pass the Bachdel test, and I wouldn't

1652
01:38:47,600 --> 01:38:51,439
Speaker 3: even say it comes close. There is one exchange that

1653
01:38:51,640 --> 01:38:55,840
Speaker 3: I noticed between women that was like a teacher. That's

1654
01:38:55,880 --> 01:38:59,000
Speaker 3: like the science teacher talking to a student that randomly

1655
01:38:59,040 --> 01:39:01,000
Speaker 3: gets a name, and we learned about magnets and that

1656
01:39:01,120 --> 01:39:03,720
Speaker 3: becomes relevant later. So I would have been able, I

1657
01:39:03,840 --> 01:39:06,799
Speaker 3: would have given it a pass as a relevant exchange

1658
01:39:06,840 --> 01:39:08,880
Speaker 3: of dialogue. But we don't know what the teacher's name is.

1659
01:39:10,200 --> 01:39:13,519
Speaker 2: So and I entirely forgot about that conversation. So if

1660
01:39:13,560 --> 01:39:17,559
Speaker 2: it's not a very memorable moment it was, Yeah, I'm

1661
01:39:17,600 --> 01:39:18,519
Speaker 2: not too sure about that.

1662
01:39:19,280 --> 01:39:22,960
Speaker 3: It's a nice try. I was gonna say nice try,

1663
01:39:23,040 --> 01:39:24,679
Speaker 3: but obviously they were trying.

1664
01:39:24,560 --> 01:39:28,040
Speaker 2: Not a try at all. Yeah, Like I mean Kyle's mom,

1665
01:39:28,560 --> 01:39:33,080
Speaker 2: who does have a name. Kate and Bonnie will appear

1666
01:39:33,200 --> 01:39:36,439
Speaker 2: here and there throughout the story. Sometimes there will be

1667
01:39:36,600 --> 01:39:37,719
Speaker 2: like plot relevant they.

1668
01:39:37,640 --> 01:39:39,840
Speaker 3: Say that they're both important characters.

1669
01:39:39,960 --> 01:39:42,479
Speaker 2: They are, but then they'll also get jettisoned out of

1670
01:39:42,520 --> 01:39:47,000
Speaker 2: the main action of the story for large swaths of it.

1671
01:39:47,280 --> 01:39:49,320
Speaker 3: So yes, not doing a.

1672
01:39:49,360 --> 01:39:51,760
Speaker 2: Great job there. Yeah, the movie does not pass the

1673
01:39:51,840 --> 01:39:55,880
Speaker 2: Bechdel test. What about our nipple scale though, our scale, god,

1674
01:39:56,160 --> 01:39:58,880
Speaker 2: our scale where we rate the movie zero to five

1675
01:39:59,000 --> 01:40:02,360
Speaker 2: nipples based on examining it through an intersectional feminist lens.

1676
01:40:02,800 --> 01:40:07,640
Speaker 2: I'm gonna give it a half nipple, Like it's not

1677
01:40:08,800 --> 01:40:12,120
Speaker 2: I'm kind of maybe a nipple. I don't know, I'm gonna.

1678
01:40:11,880 --> 01:40:15,320
Speaker 3: Give it one because women are in it.

1679
01:40:16,760 --> 01:40:19,160
Speaker 2: Right, women are in it, and it's trying to say

1680
01:40:19,439 --> 01:40:25,200
Speaker 2: something about being proud of your cultural heritage, but it's

1681
01:40:25,240 --> 01:40:28,559
Speaker 2: also saying a lot about how but if you're American,

1682
01:40:28,640 --> 01:40:31,679
Speaker 2: that's the most important thing, and go, go, go America

1683
01:40:31,760 --> 01:40:32,720
Speaker 2: America number one.

1684
01:40:33,080 --> 01:40:35,599
Speaker 3: I be very curious if that is something that appeared

1685
01:40:35,600 --> 01:40:37,200
Speaker 3: in the first draft, or if that was like a

1686
01:40:37,320 --> 01:40:40,519
Speaker 3: disneyfied element. I'm always very curious about how these because

1687
01:40:40,560 --> 01:40:44,000
Speaker 3: like media for children is so deliberate in that way, right.

1688
01:40:44,120 --> 01:40:45,800
Speaker 3: I would love to see a second interview with this

1689
01:40:45,920 --> 01:40:48,719
Speaker 3: writer where he's like, first of all, I'm not a leprechaun.

1690
01:40:48,880 --> 01:40:52,120
Speaker 2: Second of all, Second of all, college was really hard that.

1691
01:40:54,040 --> 01:40:56,280
Speaker 3: That interview is so iconic to me, where it was

1692
01:40:56,400 --> 01:40:58,679
Speaker 3: like a pretty long interview and I'm like, this guy

1693
01:40:59,000 --> 01:41:03,280
Speaker 3: is like the lights are not on. Amazing that he

1694
01:41:03,320 --> 01:41:07,560
Speaker 3: has a produced screenwriting credit and like three women in

1695
01:41:07,760 --> 01:41:11,600
Speaker 3: history do yeah, awesome.

1696
01:41:12,920 --> 01:41:13,200
Speaker 1: Bleak.

1697
01:41:13,800 --> 01:41:17,080
Speaker 2: Anyways, Yeah, so one nipple, uh, you know all the

1698
01:41:17,160 --> 01:41:21,519
Speaker 2: things we talked about, and I will give my nipple

1699
01:41:22,040 --> 01:41:23,840
Speaker 2: two leprechauns.

1700
01:41:24,840 --> 01:41:27,360
Speaker 3: I'm gonna give it one nipple and I'm gonna give

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Speaker 3: the nipple to I think just the plot point that

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Speaker 3: the grandfather Leprechaun is shackled to a basketball hoop, that

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01:41:36,720 --> 01:41:40,320
Speaker 3: is like such a funny detail that clearly no one

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Speaker 3: in the movie knows what to do with. We cannot

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01:41:42,520 --> 01:41:44,639
Speaker 3: decide if we can actually see him or not. Sometimes

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01:41:44,680 --> 01:41:49,479
Speaker 3: we can. Sometimes the entire gymnasium decides this game is

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01:41:49,560 --> 01:41:52,280
Speaker 3: so important that it doesn't matter if there's an old

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01:41:52,360 --> 01:41:56,040
Speaker 3: man shackled to the away teams basketball hoop or not.

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Speaker 3: And that is very Santa University coded to me. I

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Speaker 3: really appreciated that that They're like, we don't know what

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Speaker 3: to do with it, so it just is take it

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Speaker 3: or leave it, and I'm taking it. No, I'm taking it.

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Speaker 3: I'm claiming it.

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Speaker 2: It's a very brave storytelling choice.

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Speaker 3: Yes, well, there you have it.

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Speaker 2: Listeners for more movies that are about Ireland slash Irish

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Speaker 2: people slash maybe leprechauns. Yeah, refer to our Matreon this

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Speaker 2: month because we're covering a few more.

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Speaker 3: Yes, please join us in celebrating. Well, it depends. We're

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Speaker 3: going to give you a charcutery board. If you're already

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Speaker 3: a matron, you already know. We're doing both movies written

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Speaker 3: and directed by Irish artists and movies that are about

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Speaker 3: Ireland and may or may not do better than the

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Speaker 3: movie we discussed today. But once again, well, actually I

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Speaker 3: guess I'm giving I'm going to take back my nipple

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Speaker 3: from Bonnie, Sorry Bonnie and give it to Ryan Coogler. Ohay,

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Speaker 3: this episode possible. Thank you for making interviews fun to watch.

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Speaker 3: And we've already covered Sinners on the show, so you

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Speaker 3: can listen to that. We've covered black Panthers, so plenty

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Speaker 3: of Coogler on the pod. You can yeah find us

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Speaker 3: over on the Matreon or on Instagram. And with that,

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Speaker 3: shall we go to the end of the rainbow and

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Speaker 3: then engage in ancient warfare?

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Speaker 2: Yes?

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Speaker 3: Awesome.

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Speaker 2: Bye, Okay Bye.

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Speaker 3: The Bechdel Cast is a production of iHeartMedia, hosted and

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Speaker 3: produced by Me, Jamie Loftus and.

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Speaker 2: Me Caitlyn Dorante. The podcast is also produced by Sophie Lichtermann.

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Speaker 3: And edited by Caitlyn Durrante. Ever Heard of Them? That's Me?

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01:43:50,360 --> 01:43:53,519
Speaker 2: And our logo and merch and all of our artwork,

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01:43:53,600 --> 01:43:57,120
Speaker 2: in fact are designed by Jamie Loftus, Ever heard of her?

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Speaker 3: Oh My God? And our theme song, by the way,

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Speaker 3: was composed by Mike Kaplan with vocals by Katherine Voskrasinski.

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Speaker 3: Iconic and especial thanks to the one and only Aristotle Ascevedo.

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Speaker 2: For more information about the podcast, please visit linktree slash

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Speaker 2: Spectelcast