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Speaker 2: It is Wednesday, April seventeenth, twenty twenty two, Season twenty,
Speaker 2: episode number three. Welcome to the latest edition of The Break,
Speaker 2: Live from that s WBC Mortgage Studios at the star
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Speaker 2: talking draft. We're going to talk about We're going to
Speaker 2: continue our position draft series. Last week we managed to
Speaker 2: get to one position and we hit quarterback and we
Speaker 2: talked about it, and I think we've got some clarity
Speaker 2: on the quarterback position. Today, hopefully we'll move a little
Speaker 2: faster and maybe get two or three positions in here.
Speaker 2: We only have two more shows before the draft, so
Speaker 2: we got to fit it in all right. Before we
Speaker 2: get to that, though, we got to catch up on
Speaker 2: some news that happened yesterday. Cowboys signed running back Royce Freeman.
Speaker 2: Listen to this. In twenty twenty three with the Rams,
Speaker 2: he had seventy seven rushes for three hundred nineteen yards,
Speaker 2: a four point one average. Interestingly, he hadn't really caught
Speaker 2: many passes since twenty nineteen. That was when he was
Speaker 2: with Denver, and he had forty three receptions that year,
Speaker 2: average about six yards perception. Last year only had one
Speaker 2: reception for thirteen yards, So not really using that way
Speaker 2: in Los Angeles, Brian, give me a scouting report on him.
Speaker 3: I haven't looked at him at all. I'm so focused
Speaker 3: on what we're doing.
Speaker 7: With the draft and stuff like that, and I don't
Speaker 7: think I don't think it's going to keep you from
Speaker 7: drafting running back.
Speaker 3: That's what.
Speaker 7: Yeah, you know, you look at you look at depth
Speaker 7: pieces and things like that. I'm just being real honest
Speaker 7: with you about the player. So yeah, that that to me,
Speaker 7: this is more about uh, you know, Will and those
Speaker 7: guys like to try and add players. Maybe they got
Speaker 7: a player on some value, Maybe there's some things that
Speaker 7: they liked when they when you know, Henry Schrok of
Speaker 7: those guys in the pro department, you know, looked at
Speaker 7: him and they thought, well, these kind of traits fit
Speaker 7: into maybe with Mike Stewing and stuff like that. I
Speaker 7: just if unless it's a running back in this draft,
Speaker 7: I am not looking at anybody else after. I understand
Speaker 7: signing guys and stuff like that, but to me, the
Speaker 7: best value that they're going to get, the player that's
Speaker 7: going to help them the most, is going to probably
Speaker 7: be picked next next Friday for them.
Speaker 5: Yeah, this isn't going to change what they do in
Speaker 5: the draft at all.
Speaker 8: This is for all intents and purposes, this is another
Speaker 8: a repeat of Ronald Jones. They're hoping that this pands
Speaker 8: out a little bit better as far as maybe him
Speaker 8: being able to show something in camp, because obviously Ronald
Speaker 8: Jones couldn't with the groin injury and then the suspension
Speaker 8: and things like that. But it's basically just it's camp
Speaker 8: insurance type of situation.
Speaker 9: This is a very professional take.
Speaker 8: But whatever highlights the highlights firing professional take.
Speaker 10: But and I'm totally judging a book by its cover,
Speaker 10: and that's absolutely wrong to do. But if I was
Speaker 10: to judge a book by its cover, and if you
Speaker 10: guys go on Cowboys Social and you see the picture
Speaker 10: of him signing, he's a big guy, he's very bulky,
Speaker 10: and he made me wondering, really, am I, Okay, how
Speaker 10: how fast can you be when you're that bulky? So
Speaker 10: it just led me to think, like, Okay, it didn't
Speaker 10: really necessarily bring any excitement because of that, because I'm thinking, Okay,
Speaker 10: maybe he lacks that kind of speed that you're hoping
Speaker 10: to get from a running back here, from a starting
Speaker 10: running back, but he does have the most experience out
Speaker 10: of all the running backs in the room right now,
Speaker 10: so that can be very helpful. But at the same time,
Speaker 10: it was just like, you know, between.
Speaker 8: The tackles, like your power guy, Like you said, Derek,
Speaker 8: there's a reason for you know, for the most part
Speaker 8: that he only had one reception last year. I mean,
Speaker 8: that's just that's not as bad, right, so you bringing
Speaker 8: them in for power?
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 2: The thing that jumped out to me. Nick and I
Speaker 2: were having this conversation this morning, and I thought it
Speaker 2: was an interesting point when you look at that body type.
Speaker 2: One thing that we that we're going to keep an
Speaker 2: eye on throughout this entire preseason is how much does
Speaker 2: the new rules around kickoffs affect the types of players
Speaker 2: that you use on special teams? And I made the argument,
Speaker 2: do you go bigger Let's say, for example, on kick return,
Speaker 2: can you go with bigger guys that maybe are a
Speaker 2: little bit athletic than you would normally do, just because
Speaker 2: there's shortest distance between them and defenders and you want them.
Speaker 2: You think of it now, like if I've got a
Speaker 2: guard who can pull and can block in space, that
Speaker 2: may be the kind of guy I want on a
Speaker 2: kick return because he locks on a guy, the guy
Speaker 2: he may have size advantage over the guy, and that
Speaker 2: creates some opportunity for my return to be able to
Speaker 2: crack through. So this guy when you look at when
Speaker 2: you look at a guy like Royce Freeman, I wonder
Speaker 2: if maybe what they were looking at is can he
Speaker 2: add something to a special teams type package? Sure with
Speaker 2: those new rules, And I think that's something we'll look
Speaker 2: at again throughout training camp, throughout the preseason. We'll be
Speaker 2: looking at how they this changes the kind of player
Speaker 2: you would have on special teams.
Speaker 7: Yeah, that's you know, when you look at guys too,
Speaker 7: and you're thinking about to your point is about space players,
Speaker 7: when you're thinking about offensive linemen, and we've seen you know,
Speaker 7: if you watch the XFL and others that have used
Speaker 7: this rule, this kickoff return rule. You've seen that they've
Speaker 7: been able to get returns if you have a guy
Speaker 7: that's very shifty and very quick, so because if you
Speaker 7: could get that initial block, then you've got a guy
Speaker 7: that can maybe hit it. But to your point, though
Speaker 7: you're looking at guy, it's potentially a blocker. And it
Speaker 7: used to be where you can't have every linebacker out there.
Speaker 7: Used to be teams are playing with defensive backs too
Speaker 7: on special teams as blockers and stuff like that.
Speaker 3: Tight ends.
Speaker 7: Maybe if you do have guys that are a little
Speaker 7: bit bigger but play better in space, right, then you
Speaker 7: get that opportunity to maybe bust one of these runs.
Speaker 10: Well, not to get into Ruster cuts, yeah, because we
Speaker 10: have a little well for that. Well, but how many,
Speaker 10: I mean, how many running backs are you keeping on
Speaker 10: the team.
Speaker 7: I always think that's gonna I think Hunter Lipkey's got
Speaker 7: a role on this team, so always going to start
Speaker 7: with him, and then I think they're going to draft one,
Speaker 7: whether they draft that in the second round or the
Speaker 7: third round, or if they use a pick to if
Speaker 7: they trade back situation, maybe grab one in the fourth.
Speaker 7: This draft has depth at running back and it has
Speaker 7: it from the second round all the way through the
Speaker 7: fifth round, and you could get guys that fit different roles.
Speaker 7: Some of them are shorter, some of them are wider,
Speaker 7: some of them are quicker, some of them catch the
Speaker 7: ball better. But that's the beauty of this draft right now.
Speaker 7: With the running back spot, to me, Hunter Lipkey's on
Speaker 7: this team because I feel like he does the things
Speaker 7: that Derek was just talking about. You know, unfortunately had
Speaker 7: the fumble, but he can short yardage, He could play
Speaker 7: special teams. You can move him as a you can
Speaker 7: use him as a wing, you could use him as
Speaker 7: an h you can use them as a full back.
Speaker 7: There's a lot of different things now, which one between
Speaker 7: Davis Daddle and who the rookie guy is. But I
Speaker 7: think that you're probably going to see three on this
Speaker 7: team if I had.
Speaker 8: To guess, and dovetailing off of what he's saying, and
Speaker 8: I one hundred percent agree. I think hundred Lukey has
Speaker 8: a role on this team solidified. And I believe the
Speaker 8: same for ric o'daudle as well. The question to answer,
Speaker 8: the question that leads to your answer is what's the
Speaker 8: role for duce Von If they figure out a role
Speaker 8: for duce Vaughan, then who does duces pon push out?
Speaker 8: But as it stands, because duce Von although talented and
Speaker 8: he has some potential for what Mike McCarthy can use
Speaker 8: him for, we didn't see any of that as a rookie.
Speaker 8: So he's kind of behind the eight ball because they're
Speaker 8: likely going to add a draft pick and it's going
Speaker 8: to be a guy who's expected to come in an impact. Right,
Speaker 8: So even you know you add that, you at Rico
Speaker 8: Das too, Hunter that's three, right, So now you have
Speaker 8: Maliite Davis fighting against duce Von and maybe Roy Streeman
Speaker 8: or whoever elder veteran they add. So I think duce
Speaker 8: Von is the X factor when it comes to how
Speaker 8: many running backs you're going to carry, because I'm sure
Speaker 8: they're going to try to find a reason to keep
Speaker 8: Deuce around. But you got to find that reason to
Speaker 8: summer and came.
Speaker 7: You can to see ducevonn play a ton of special
Speaker 7: teams this year and and I mean in the preseason.
Speaker 7: They're gonna have to determine because if you're third back,
Speaker 7: that guy always has to play special teams. General manager
Speaker 7: will tell you that every time he talks about running backs.
Speaker 7: He says third back has to be able to play
Speaker 7: special teams. Duce Vaughan's height limits his ability to play
Speaker 7: special teams. You know, that's again, that's he was a
Speaker 7: tremendous college player. He was a featured back at Kansas State.
Speaker 7: They handed him the ball, he did his job. He
Speaker 7: played no special teams. So in the league he's in
Speaker 7: a different category. So he has to find his niche,
Speaker 7: or they have to find a niche for him, or
Speaker 7: you know, he will be a guy that probably will
Speaker 7: keep on the practice squad or something like that.
Speaker 8: And Cavante Turpin has both hands firmly on the wheel
Speaker 8: as a returner.
Speaker 2: Well, let me ask this question because I think I
Speaker 2: think we all assume that when we saw these new rules,
Speaker 2: it was like Turpin's your guy. But when you think
Speaker 2: about what he was able to duce Vaughan was able
Speaker 2: to do in college. He was able to do some turns,
Speaker 2: he had a nice return game. He's the kind of
Speaker 2: guy that in this kind of new format, could present
Speaker 2: some interesting challenges for teams because again, his short stature
Speaker 2: makes it hard sometimes to locate him. And it's gonna
Speaker 2: be on you pretty quick. Right, and you got guys blocking.
Speaker 2: Does he then create Is this a situation where maybe
Speaker 2: he ends up being just as good, if not better,
Speaker 2: an option at kick returns and keeping Turpin maybe at
Speaker 2: punt returns. And by the way, there is still an
Speaker 2: opportunity for you to get a third receiver. Maybe you
Speaker 2: use Turpin Moore as a third receiver combined with punt
Speaker 2: returns and you use Vaughn in that other way. Do
Speaker 2: you see a scenario like that for Van?
Speaker 7: How many plays do you see Vaughn at playing a game?
Speaker 7: What's your envision for Vaughn for games play, honor is
Speaker 7: for a number of plays.
Speaker 2: It depends on whether they could find a role for
Speaker 2: him as a running back. If they can find a
Speaker 2: role for him as a running back that can be
Speaker 2: that can catch the ball out of the backfield, maybe
Speaker 2: give me, i don't know, ten reps there a game
Speaker 2: and then give me some kick returns. That may give
Speaker 2: him enough of a role to make the team.
Speaker 7: That's why Turpin is your guy, because he plays more
Speaker 7: offensive snap. He's going to be your punt returner and
Speaker 7: he's going to be your kick returner. So to me,
Speaker 7: it's if if if the thing with Vaughn. Can he
Speaker 7: get enough snaps to take.
Speaker 2: To justify say it's not worth doing that when you
Speaker 2: got a Turpin.
Speaker 7: Yeah, that's the thing about it is he has got
Speaker 7: to be better than Turpin on offense. And I think
Speaker 7: that there they found ways to use Turpin on offense
Speaker 7: that other than the jet sweeps and things like that,
Speaker 7: they were they were finding ways him actually running routes
Speaker 7: him down believe it or not, in the red zone
Speaker 7: making plays down there. So yeah, it's goat. The competition
Speaker 7: is going to be how many plays can they find
Speaker 7: for Deuce Vaughn. And you know, you can't just say, okay,
Speaker 7: he's dressed in every week because he's a kick returner.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 7: The great what they'll neutralize you on that one is
Speaker 7: they'll just say, okay, if you're Dinny good at this,
Speaker 7: they'll just kick the ball at the end zone and they
Speaker 7: won't let you return anything. You know, That's that's how
Speaker 7: they'll neutralize you there.
Speaker 2: If that's the case, real quick, Brian, before we go
Speaker 2: to break, give me a couple of names, and if
Speaker 2: you guys have some names as well, give me some names.
Speaker 2: I want to know some aimes of some guys that
Speaker 2: you would think about for the Cowboys if they were
Speaker 2: going to draft in the first round, if they were
Speaker 2: going to draft in the second round, and if they
Speaker 2: were going to draft later than that at the running
Speaker 2: back position, that might be of interest to the Cowboys.
Speaker 7: I think you'd have to start with Brooks from Texas,
Speaker 7: you know, with the knee injury and all the first
Speaker 7: round pick, no, the second round pick.
Speaker 3: I don't have a first round rounding back right now.
Speaker 7: So I think you look at Brooks from Texas, you
Speaker 7: look at Benson, I think from Florida State make a
Speaker 7: lot of sense for you if you're looking down now
Speaker 7: into the third round right from Tennessee, Allen from Wisconsin,
Speaker 7: Irvin from Oregon make a lot of sense of the
Speaker 7: third round type of thing. If you're going a little
Speaker 7: bit later, I think fourth round guys. I would look
Speaker 7: at Ray Davis as a possibility there. He's played a lot,
Speaker 7: He's been in three different places as Kentucky has been
Speaker 7: his final stop here. Estimate from Notre Dame is another guy.
Speaker 7: If you want to go all the way down into
Speaker 7: the fifth round. Tracy from Purdue makes a lot of sense.
Speaker 7: He was a converted wide receiver from Iowa. He's a
Speaker 7: guy that kind of reminds me a little bit of
Speaker 7: Tony Pollard, wide receiver that's playing running back kind of
Speaker 7: a guy. So keep an eye on Tracy from Purdue
Speaker 7: would be another guy that I would look at. Those
Speaker 7: are kind of rounds two, three, four, and five right there.
Speaker 10: Well, there are so many running backs with different abilities
Speaker 10: and strengths. So looking at the group that they currently
Speaker 10: have and everybody that we've talked right now, I mean,
Speaker 10: what kind of running back type of guy or style
Speaker 10: are you guys looking for right now?
Speaker 5: Personally me nice?
Speaker 8: Well, yeah, good, impactful, dynamic in whatever they're being asked
Speaker 8: to do. When you look at the issue between Dowdle
Speaker 8: and the redundancy between dowdle skill set and Tony Pollar's
Speaker 8: last year, right, what were you missing? You were missing
Speaker 8: that sledge hammer and the sword, which is the Skip
Speaker 8: Pete reference, right, Zeke Pollard, you were missing that. So
Speaker 8: Pollard walks, you retain Dowdle, you still need that compliment, right,
Speaker 8: So for me, I'm looking for a complimentary piece which
Speaker 8: will be that power back, the one who can do
Speaker 8: the heavy lifting, the dirty work, a lot of that
Speaker 8: pick up most of those, whatever the case may be,
Speaker 8: your A gaps, your B gaps, and hopefully every once
Speaker 8: in a while he'll leak out of the backfield and
Speaker 8: give you and a random option as a receiver. But
Speaker 8: that wouldn't necessarily be his bag as much as it
Speaker 8: would be Rico's back.
Speaker 9: So you see Dowel, Morris Appaller, I see.
Speaker 8: Dow They've been missing Zeke, they missed the last year,
Speaker 8: and they don't have a Z on the team right now,
Speaker 8: which is why not even remotely similar. But we talked
Speaker 8: about Royce Freeman's build, right, He's kind of that girthier built.
Speaker 5: They are looking.
Speaker 8: For that power, right, So when you talk about someone
Speaker 8: like Estimate, for example, that's a guy, big guy powerful,
Speaker 8: he can make guys pay for trying to tackle him.
Speaker 8: That's what you need, in my opinion, to compliment.
Speaker 2: But can I take a step back, Is there a
Speaker 2: single running back currently on this roster that you think
Speaker 2: of as starter caliber in the NFL?
Speaker 11: No?
Speaker 2: Okay, So if no, that's not that's what I'm looking
Speaker 2: I might Hunter, but he's not there yet.
Speaker 8: He's not.
Speaker 7: That's why I look at Brooks and Benson, right, I'm
Speaker 7: looking for a featured guy I'm looking for because the
Speaker 7: problem that I have is though that I need. I
Speaker 7: need an explosive player. I know that Tony Powler got
Speaker 7: healthy halfway through the season. They didn't block well enough
Speaker 7: for anybody to run the football at all, so we
Speaker 7: didn't see that with Tony. But to me, I need
Speaker 7: a guy that's gonna make people miss I'm gonna make.
Speaker 7: I need a guy that's gonna be able to make
Speaker 7: to catch the ball when thrown to Now.
Speaker 3: This team does not throw the ball to the backs.
Speaker 3: You know you have to be able to blitz pick
Speaker 3: up to play here.
Speaker 7: But to me, give me the guy that can make
Speaker 7: the first guy miss, maybe make the second guy miss,
Speaker 7: and then turn maybe a negative play or a zero
Speaker 7: yard play into a four or five yard play. That's
Speaker 7: what I need right now. I think Hunter Lipkey could
Speaker 7: be the power guy myself.
Speaker 3: I do. I think Rico Dabele.
Speaker 7: If you hand the ball to Rico Dabdle, he could
Speaker 7: he could do some power things for you.
Speaker 3: I need an elusive guy. I need somebody now.
Speaker 7: The thing with to me, Brooks, Benson, both those guys,
Speaker 7: Lloyd from USC, I would take all those guys because
Speaker 7: I know they can make people miss in the hole,
Speaker 7: and I know they can make five six yards on
Speaker 7: their own.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, Yeah.
Speaker 2: I guess the point I was making is that I
Speaker 2: think they got a lot of guys who will complimentary
Speaker 2: parts that would be nice with a feature back. I
Speaker 2: think when you ask what are they missing, I'm like,
Speaker 2: they need a feature That's why I say good, I
Speaker 2: need a feature back that I can then use these
Speaker 2: other guys in spurts to be able to compliment what
Speaker 2: that person is.
Speaker 7: They're looking at a kid named Bucky Irving from Oregon
Speaker 7: who's a little bit of a shorter guy. Bucky Irving
Speaker 7: needs a complimentary back with him. He is not a
Speaker 7: futured back. Brooks Benson, those guys to meet Lloyd Wright.
Speaker 7: Those guys can play as featured backs. Alan from Alan
Speaker 7: from Wisconsin's a little bit more of a power guy.
Speaker 7: Probably could use somebody with a little bit more explosiveness
Speaker 7: to play with. I think Bucky Irving is the opposite.
Speaker 7: He's explosive, but he needs somebody to play with powers.
Speaker 2: How likely do you think it is that Brooks is
Speaker 2: actually there when you pick in the second round.
Speaker 7: Everybody's got him earmarked and we'll see. We'll see what
Speaker 7: happens with teams in the medical on him. Are they
Speaker 7: gonna take a back that's had a knee injury.
Speaker 3: Everybody's kind of.
Speaker 7: Got him earmarked here at Dallas. You know, to me,
Speaker 7: I could see it happening at fifty six. I could
Speaker 7: also see Dallas picking a linebacker at fifty six. I
Speaker 7: think those are the two positions you kind of need
Speaker 7: to keep an eye.
Speaker 2: On, assuming they're gonna go offensive line.
Speaker 7: For assuming it's a tackle ciner, some combination of offensive
Speaker 7: linemen in the first All.
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Speaker 2: We want to hit the running back position in one
Speaker 2: one segment. So now let's go. We can jump into
Speaker 2: just to give a scatter report about right, and we'll
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Speaker 2: let's talk about the wide receiver position. I want to
Speaker 2: start with Brandon Cooks. He was a guy that I
Speaker 2: think we all universally thought a lot of when the
Speaker 2: Cowboys acquired his services last season, and I personally I
Speaker 2: think he played okay. I don't think he was bad.
Speaker 2: I don't think he was great. I think he played okay.
Speaker 2: My question for you guys is how much more do
Speaker 2: you think he has that he can provide for this
Speaker 2: team this coming year, especially with it being his second
Speaker 2: year with DAK, second year in the offense, second year
Speaker 2: with CD. How much more do you think he can
Speaker 2: provide this team?
Speaker 5: Simply put a lot.
Speaker 8: I think when you look at his body of work
Speaker 8: from twenty twenty three, yes, he really started to come
Speaker 8: into his own on the back half of that season,
Speaker 8: but it was a slow start on the first half
Speaker 8: of the season, which makes you wonder if he was
Speaker 8: able to kind of hit the ground running, what could
Speaker 8: last season have been for Brandon Cooks. Could it have
Speaker 8: approached a thousand yards? Especially with Michael Gallup having his struggles.
Speaker 8: So I feel like if you put it in that
Speaker 8: context alone in this season, especially when you add to
Speaker 8: the context of he is going into a contract yere right,
Speaker 8: so he also has a lot to prove in that
Speaker 8: capacity as well.
Speaker 5: I just feel like there was.
Speaker 8: A lot of meat left on the ball when it
Speaker 8: comes to Brandon Cooks's utilization. As far as Mike McCarthy
Speaker 8: returning as a play caller, I think you'll see much
Speaker 8: more of Brandon Cooks being used in twenty twenty four,
Speaker 8: and I think he's going to take advantage of it.
Speaker 10: Yeah, I think that's exactly what was smith last year
Speaker 10: was more of what I feel like that they just
Speaker 10: weren't using him enough. How many times did we sit
Speaker 10: here a week after week talking about and Brian breaking
Speaker 10: down plays and saying how many times he was open
Speaker 10: but the ball he wasn't targeted, and the ball wouldn't
Speaker 10: go his way. So I think that after Mike McCarthy
Speaker 10: analyzes the whole season and everything, and seeing his production
Speaker 10: towards the second half, towards that end of the season,
Speaker 10: I think that we would go into a year where
Speaker 10: we see him be a lot more involved and teams
Speaker 10: take him more as a bigger weapon in combination with
Speaker 10: CD Lamban what he's doing, because Cidi had a great
Speaker 10: year as well.
Speaker 7: Where's the vertical passing game with this guy? Where was
Speaker 7: all the speed down the field? Where was the you know,
Speaker 7: there was a I think it was the commander's game.
Speaker 7: The commanders couldn't cover all of us running routes, you know.
Speaker 7: I mean, I think he made that commander's game. I
Speaker 7: think he made several plays down the field and stuff.
Speaker 7: That's what I was hopeful for with the When you
Speaker 7: start to talk about Brandon Cooks everything for him though,
Speaker 7: he started to become the guy when they figured out
Speaker 7: that Michael Gallup couldn't catch the underneath stuff on third down,
Speaker 7: that they just went ahead and started picking for for
Speaker 7: Cooks to be able to run those routes. He made
Speaker 7: some really key catches underneath. He's really not a big
Speaker 7: slant guy, which you know Lamb is. So yeah, if
Speaker 7: it's more involvement for Cooks, I'd like to see it
Speaker 7: more down the field than what we saw last time.
Speaker 7: But you know, this is a very very deep draft
Speaker 7: and a lot of different spots, a lot of different
Speaker 7: types of guys, a lot of different body types, a
Speaker 7: lot of different abilities in here. So if they're looking
Speaker 7: to if they have that pick where they say best
Speaker 7: failed player on the board, it happens to be a
Speaker 7: wide receiver, it's probably gonna be a pretty good pick
Speaker 7: because there there's a there's a quality in this draft
Speaker 7: when it comes to that wide receiver room.
Speaker 2: Who has the best chance right now on this team,
Speaker 2: not just not the draft, but just already on this
Speaker 2: team of being a wide receiver.
Speaker 5: Three MM.
Speaker 8: Gonna go with Jaalen Tolbert. I love the strides that
Speaker 8: the young man made from year one to year two.
Speaker 8: He was overwhelmed in year one during the headlights was
Speaker 8: the phrase that he used. But when the Cowboys traded
Speaker 8: for Brandon Cooks, first thing I said is Jalen Tobert
Speaker 8: needs to just attach himself, glue himself to Brandon Cooks
Speaker 8: and learn as much as he can and he did
Speaker 8: uh and he showed a lot of improvement because of that.
Speaker 5: So nearly every.
Speaker 8: Time that ball was targeted to Jayleen Tobart, did I
Speaker 8: say yeah, Yeah, My head said Brooks, Okay.
Speaker 5: Too many Jalen's.
Speaker 8: Whenever Jalen Tolbert got the opportunity and he was targeted
Speaker 8: by Dak Prescott, more often than not, he made he
Speaker 8: took advantage of it. And I remember one distinctive game
Speaker 8: where he had to drop, but the confidence wasn't lost
Speaker 8: because Dak Prescott went right back to him two plays
Speaker 8: later and it was a first down. So you can
Speaker 8: see that the confidence is also there from QB one.
Speaker 8: So when you have that confidence from the franchise quarterback
Speaker 8: and now you have your you know, your self confidence
Speaker 8: is built up to say, hey, I can actually play
Speaker 8: this game at this level. I do see Jaylen Tolbert
Speaker 8: and he should get more reps considering Michael Gallup is
Speaker 8: no longer in the building.
Speaker 10: I want everyone to be great, and that's like a
Speaker 10: very It's an unrealistic thing because not everyone can be great,
Speaker 10: or the start player on offense or the team as
Speaker 10: a whole. So I'm just sitting here wondering can Jalen
Speaker 10: Tolbert even though he did show moments last season where
Speaker 10: he has taken that step up easy enough though I
Speaker 10: don't know. But then thinking about his specific role, that's
Speaker 10: where I'm like, Okay, do I need to lower more
Speaker 10: my mental personal expectation to wear Okay? Is he just
Speaker 10: enough for the role that you actually need him to be?
Speaker 9: And I don't know. I can't answer that question right
Speaker 9: now here. I don't know how I exactly feel.
Speaker 8: Right here's my approach to that when because if you
Speaker 8: go back and you look at Tobart's film from twenty
Speaker 8: twenty three, there were several times where the ball was
Speaker 8: being forced to Michael Gallop for example, where maybe those
Speaker 8: balls should have been tossed to Jayaln Tobert, and then
Speaker 8: in the subsequent game you will see Michael Gallup's targets
Speaker 8: dropped to like one or two, and then you'll see
Speaker 8: Tobart's increase and Tobert was much more productive running the
Speaker 8: same being asked to run the same routes in the
Speaker 8: same packages. So I feel like that was McCarthy kind
Speaker 8: of grooming him to say, Hey, if Gallup is not
Speaker 8: in the building next year, this is going to be
Speaker 8: a huge shot for you, and I believe that his
Speaker 8: build is not entirely dissimilar.
Speaker 5: Right. He has a great catch radius.
Speaker 8: Seeing him a couple of told jag Sway catches on
Speaker 8: the sideline, which is something that Michael Gallup became famous
Speaker 8: for here in Dallas. I believe the athleticism is there.
Speaker 8: The only thing that was lacking for Jaylen Tolbert and
Speaker 8: year one was the mental component. I feel like he
Speaker 8: has the mental component now, so the only thing he
Speaker 8: needs now is utilization in order to kind of make
Speaker 8: it all come together.
Speaker 3: Jalen Polk from the University of Washington.
Speaker 2: Like, I'm not playing this game.
Speaker 7: On the drive Ricky Show, Ricky Pierce saw Florida wide receiver.
Speaker 2: Yeah, better than any of the guys they got here.
Speaker 2: Let's go now, let me ask you this.
Speaker 3: Yeah, no talking like second third round Malachai Corley. They
Speaker 3: brought Corley in.
Speaker 7: I know it was a lot of it had to
Speaker 7: do with visit, probably to get the medical because he
Speaker 7: got COVID before the combine, so he didn't get to
Speaker 7: do he didn't get to do all the visits and stuff.
Speaker 7: All three of those guys I named are better player.
Speaker 2: But let me ask you this, are you willing to
Speaker 2: you said, second third round? Are you willing to knowing
Speaker 2: that you got you got areas where you need help?
Speaker 5: Center?
Speaker 3: Offensive?
Speaker 2: I know center, offensive tackles, running back, linebacker probably are
Speaker 2: way more of a priority for you to be able
Speaker 2: to win games next season.
Speaker 3: Senate third wide receiver, second third round. Sure, yeah, so.
Speaker 2: Are you willing? Are you willing to forego those positions
Speaker 2: in to get the receiver.
Speaker 7: If the players or the wide receiver players are better
Speaker 7: on my board? In that say, I'm going to try
Speaker 7: and dress my needs. The first two picks is what
Speaker 7: I'm going to try and do. I get in the third, fourth,
Speaker 7: fifth round. If you know, I know, Patrick's going to
Speaker 7: do a mock draft for you this week. He's going
Speaker 7: to trade back, he's going to trade up, He's gonna
Speaker 7: do all. So what I'm saying, if I could find
Speaker 7: a way to grab some of these picks, and this
Speaker 7: this organization has proven one thing. When I told them
Speaker 7: that they needed a defensive end, what they do. They
Speaker 7: drafted a wide receiver in the first round. They've proven
Speaker 7: they can do that and it worked, and it worked.
Speaker 7: You know they will they will sit there and say, oh, well, hey, yeah,
Speaker 7: watch this we'll take I'll take that third round center
Speaker 7: off your board at pick thirty and be Travis Frederick.
Speaker 7: You know they'll do that here. So to me, if
Speaker 7: I need to address the center tackle position, if I
Speaker 7: need to address the linebacker position, I'm not gonna let
Speaker 7: The one position I think that's holding me hostage right
Speaker 7: now is center. That's the one position that's holding me hostage.
Speaker 7: Maybe the left tackles holding me hostage too.
Speaker 2: But at least you got options.
Speaker 3: But I have, so Glass.
Speaker 7: I'm gonna get that center, and then from then on,
Speaker 7: I'm gonna take whoever I need.
Speaker 3: Whoever I see that guy, that guy, that guy, that guy.
Speaker 3: That's what I'm going to do.
Speaker 10: So whatever we're thinking, think the opposite, because that's why
Speaker 10: they might do.
Speaker 7: Oh but they've proven that they have they've proven that
Speaker 7: that when I when I'm telling them they needed an
Speaker 7: edge flow shoe, you know they need this guy to play.
Speaker 7: What do they do? They took CD Lamb and they
Speaker 7: took one of the best players in the NFL. So
Speaker 7: to me, yes, who's who's going to be the third receiver?
Speaker 7: Polk Coray, any one of those guys you want to know.
Speaker 2: You know, I'm actually very interested interested to see if
Speaker 2: they can find more of a role for Cavante Turpin.
Speaker 2: I really believe that you look at the productivity books, yeah, exactly,
Speaker 2: but you look at the productivity in college. Yeah, you
Speaker 2: look at what he did in college. I think he
Speaker 2: is more than capable of being at least a third
Speaker 2: receiver in the NFL. The question is just will they
Speaker 2: be willing to use him in that way? And if
Speaker 2: they are, I think that could be a very very
Speaker 2: nice player for you, at least for this year. I
Speaker 2: don't know what happens beyond this year, but for this year,
Speaker 2: I do think that could be a very nice player.
Speaker 8: I think you'll see more usage for Cavante Turpin this year.
Speaker 8: But for me, it's just it's Jalen Tobert strides forward.
Speaker 8: In addition to the fact that that's your former third
Speaker 8: round pick, right, so that you know that value is
Speaker 8: there as well. You want to see him developed, you
Speaker 8: want to see him become an impact guy, and you
Speaker 8: move Michael Gallup out of the situation so that he could,
Speaker 8: you know, have that potential shot. And not to say
Speaker 8: they're not going to take a wide receiver, because that's
Speaker 8: still definitely on the boardotentially, but I mean until slash
Speaker 8: unless they do Jaylen Tobert, it's your keys at wide
Speaker 8: receiver three.
Speaker 5: But yeah, I do agree. I think is gonna get
Speaker 5: more use more, use.
Speaker 7: To know David signed Lamb yet either, m hm think
Speaker 7: about that. Yeah, you know, I mean, how does that
Speaker 7: kind of how is that all gonna shake out?
Speaker 10: Yeah, we'll Why are you adding more stuff into the
Speaker 10: pot right now?
Speaker 2: Because that's where we are right He's just because that's
Speaker 2: where we are right now.
Speaker 10: That's where we are right making things together in there.
Speaker 9: Just throw everything in there.
Speaker 3: Much better to talk about on April seventeen, on.
Speaker 11: July.
Speaker 5: On July.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we're sitting on the as we're sitting on the
Speaker 2: court in like we're seeing.
Speaker 5: Well, you know, the receiver room right now, the whole
Speaker 5: exact Martin.
Speaker 3: I will remind you of April seventeen.
Speaker 2: All Right, we're gonna take a final break, come back
Speaker 2: a little. We'll talk a little bit about the tight
Speaker 2: end position, maybe get the offensive tackle on center. We'll
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Speaker 2: Welcome back to the final segment of the break presented
Speaker 2: by LG. We've talked about quarterback, running back, wide receiver,
Speaker 2: and now let's jump to tight end. Let's start first
Speaker 2: with assessment. I want you guys to give me an
Speaker 2: assessment of Luke schoon Maker, and I want you to
Speaker 2: go back to the first time he saw him in
Speaker 2: training camp, to injury and other things like what have
Speaker 2: you seen from him and what do you project that
Speaker 2: to be coming into this season?
Speaker 8: So hard to project because his sample size it wasn't
Speaker 8: what you wanted it to be. As as the second
Speaker 8: round pick. You missed all a training camp with the
Speaker 8: plantar fasciat this issue, and then when you come back,
Speaker 8: you're you're slow to get back into the groove, which
Speaker 8: makes that tracks. You're a rookie who missed all the
Speaker 8: training camp, right, you know, thank the Good Lord for
Speaker 8: the the leap forward that Jake Ferguson was able to take.
Speaker 8: So you're absolutely solid there for now in the future.
Speaker 8: But from Schoolmaker, I did see some progress, so I'll
Speaker 8: give him credit for that. He still struggled at times
Speaker 8: as far as the understanding of the package that he
Speaker 8: might have been in in any particular time. Blocking was
Speaker 8: definitely up there. Like I am a big fan of
Speaker 8: his blocking. That's something that he did very well at
Speaker 8: Michigan as well as a play as a player or
Speaker 8: as a pass catcher. There's development that needs to happen there.
Speaker 8: He needs to be more consistent with being able to
Speaker 8: bring in some of those some of those targets that
Speaker 8: he's getting Fromdak Scott. We saw on a couple of occasions,
Speaker 8: one being an end zone, red zone, red zone toss
Speaker 8: where he just couldn't come up with the pass. Uh
Speaker 8: and you and you need him to be able to
Speaker 8: do that if you want him building confidence with Dak Prescott.
Speaker 8: So for me, blocking it's there, It's been there at Michigan,
Speaker 8: it's going to continue to be there. But as a
Speaker 8: pass catcher, he really needs to take that next step
Speaker 8: to be that true compliment to Jake Ferguson.
Speaker 5: So that's kind of where I am. I think he can.
Speaker 8: As long as he stays healthy this offseason, gets a
Speaker 8: full training camp under his belt, we should see some progress.
Speaker 11: Yeah.
Speaker 3: You got that shoulder surgery though, right, Yeah, dealing with that.
Speaker 7: Let me introduce you to Eric All from Iowa. No,
Speaker 7: I'm just kidding. Eric All is a really good player
Speaker 7: from Iowa. By the way, Yeah, I think the thing.
Speaker 7: I am the I'm the number one driver of the
Speaker 7: Lukes Schoonmaker bus. I'm the guy, so when you get
Speaker 7: on the bus, you see me first. And at Iowa
Speaker 7: he was an outstanding blocker. He was a great portam
Speaker 7: attack player when they ran the ball. If you look
Speaker 7: at Blake Korum, the success that he had at Michigan
Speaker 7: running the ball, Michigan win in the National Championship, Michigan
Speaker 7: doing a lot of great things. Michigan a very good
Speaker 7: offense Michigan a very physical offense.
Speaker 3: He was part of that. He was part of that.
Speaker 7: And so what happens is scouts are taught as if
Speaker 7: you see it once, you'll see it again. The problem
Speaker 7: is we didn't see it with Luke Schoonmaker. Whether it
Speaker 7: was the foot, now the shoulder, he keeps getting set back.
Speaker 7: I think Schoonmaker cares a lot about his job. I
Speaker 7: think he wants to be good at his job. I
Speaker 7: think he wants to develop into a tight end. I
Speaker 7: think he understands the pressure that's on him as a player.
Speaker 7: As a second round pick, they need Luke Schoonmaker to
Speaker 7: play a lot better because they did not run the
Speaker 7: ball well with him in there, or with what was
Speaker 7: going on at center. These are positions. We're looking at
Speaker 7: it right now and we're trying to figure that out.
Speaker 7: How do you run the ball better? Point of attack
Speaker 7: tight end. Luke Schoonmaker's second round pick was supposed to
Speaker 7: be that guy hasn't been that guy, you know. And
Speaker 7: I'm sitting here looking like thinking, Okay, did I miss
Speaker 7: one here. I'm not calling it a bus or anything.
Speaker 7: I'm saying did I miss one here? But the Michigan
Speaker 7: film showed a much better player, and I think those
Speaker 7: guys upstairs saw the same thing I did, and that's
Speaker 7: why they drafted the player. But the shoulder injury now
Speaker 7: is set back. He'll fight through it, He'll do what
Speaker 7: he has to do. Brit Brown will get him right.
Speaker 7: But they need him to play better.
Speaker 9: Yeah, definitely.
Speaker 10: As both of y'ah have said, we have not seen
Speaker 10: enough of him, And I don't know what it is,
Speaker 10: but something about his body built that I just don't
Speaker 10: necessarily love for his position.
Speaker 9: I don't know what it's like. He has a type
Speaker 9: of body that it makes you.
Speaker 10: Think of like he's not going to be as athletic
Speaker 10: or as flexible and being able to Yeah, yeah he is.
Speaker 10: But I'll tell you this, one thing that I love
Speaker 10: about him, and you talked about his dedication in wanting
Speaker 10: to be good at his job, is the amount of
Speaker 10: time that I've seen him, even through injuries and everything, work, work, work.
Speaker 10: And the last player that I've seen work so hard
Speaker 10: like that was shan Lee. Shan Lee has been the
Speaker 10: only other player that I've seen through whatever setback that
Speaker 10: spends the time out there even on his own, just
Speaker 10: kind of working separately and working through everything. And I
Speaker 10: absolutely love about him that he has that type of
Speaker 10: dedication and willing to put in the work, the necessary
Speaker 10: work too.
Speaker 7: Hopefully it's a shame it's with Britt Brown though, you know,
Speaker 7: it's a shame he's doing with his injury right now,
Speaker 7: the hard work and all that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and he wants to get back. But man, they
Speaker 3: need players.
Speaker 7: They need guys to step up, and you're right about Ferguson,
Speaker 7: the development of Ferguson has been wonderful, So they need
Speaker 7: Luke to kind of Ye we've seen adulted Schultz. I mean,
Speaker 7: I was so critical Dalton trolls. He blocked me on Twitter,
Speaker 7: which is fine.
Speaker 5: He blocked everybody.
Speaker 7: If it takes me getting blocked by Luke's schoonmaker, I'm driving,
Speaker 7: I'm driving the bus.
Speaker 9: It's the suing here.
Speaker 3: I'm fine. Let me let me.
Speaker 7: He's if whatever I can do to help you block,
Speaker 7: you block me, but block the Yeah.
Speaker 8: I tell you what when it comes to tight ends
Speaker 8: and we talk about and and really quickly excellent point
Speaker 8: because about Schoolmaker last training camp, his first training camp ever,
Speaker 8: he was out with the Plantar fast shat is what
Speaker 8: did you see him doing mental reps.
Speaker 5: He was always on the sideline.
Speaker 8: He was always asking wells, He was always asking questions
Speaker 8: to Jake Ferguson, trying to figure out hate him the shot,
Speaker 8: trying to get the nuances, whatever he could get.
Speaker 5: He was trying to consume.
Speaker 9: But and for a rookie, Doc tells you that's.
Speaker 8: Very coachable and he wants to learn, he wants to
Speaker 8: get better. And to Brian's point, the Cowboys now need
Speaker 8: him to put that on the field. But an interesting
Speaker 8: one and he's coming back from the torn ACL. Lets
Speaker 8: talk about John Stevens Junior. I mean this is a
Speaker 8: young man undrafted. He made waves, serious waves in training camp.
Speaker 8: He was making waves in preseason, not unlike that Marveon
Speaker 8: Overshoan was doing and unfortunately they both suffered the same
Speaker 8: fate torn ACL. But when you talk about John Stevens Junior,
Speaker 8: I think he can make some problems for a player
Speaker 8: like Peyton Hendershot, who's shown that he can be a
Speaker 8: player as well. But Hindershot, he was on ir last
Speaker 8: season until later in the season, came back, made a
Speaker 8: splash payer two on special teams, but not necessarily offensively.
Speaker 8: So when you're now talking about behind school Maker and
Speaker 8: Jake Ferguson, what's that battle with Hindershot John Stevens Junior
Speaker 8: looked like and also Princeton Fan looks like Princeton Fann
Speaker 8: has basically taken Sean McEwan out of the equation. So
Speaker 8: I'm really intrigued and excited to see what John Stevens
Speaker 8: will be now that he's healthy or getting back to health,
Speaker 8: and how he becomes that that catching threat. Right, because
Speaker 8: he's long, he's lanky, he can be a red zone
Speaker 8: threat for you. This is a guy who can line
Speaker 8: up at tight end or you could pop him out
Speaker 8: and he can give you some slot duties in the
Speaker 8: red zone.
Speaker 5: So we talk about receiver.
Speaker 8: You can get some of those reps in the rid
Speaker 8: zone to a rangy, lanky guy like John Stevens.
Speaker 5: So I think there's value there for him.
Speaker 2: All right, let's shumve to the center position. And here's
Speaker 2: my question. Last year, obviously they had Tyler Biottish and
Speaker 2: according to I think many people who were watching didn't
Speaker 2: think it was his best year. There is a belief
Speaker 2: that the Cowboys are looking at their current roster and
Speaker 2: thinking Hoffman has an opportunity to be their center this year.
Speaker 2: If they don't draft someone, I think we all think
Speaker 2: they will. But if they don't, they think or there's
Speaker 2: a belief that maybe they think Hoffman could be that guy.
Speaker 2: Based on what you've seen from Hoffman, do you think
Speaker 2: Hoffman could be at least as good as what Beaddish
Speaker 2: was last year in a year where maybe it wasn't
Speaker 2: the greatest play from the center position.
Speaker 8: I think Hoffman has the potential to eventually be a
Speaker 8: starter in this league. But you meant you said something
Speaker 8: a couple of segments ago that holds true and permeates
Speaker 8: everything we're talking about. You need whatever player you're talking
Speaker 8: about to be good right now.
Speaker 5: He has to be that right now. So he has to.
Speaker 8: And though Tyler Biaddis didn't necessarily play at the Pro
Speaker 8: Bowl level that he did the year prior, basically you
Speaker 8: lost a Pro Bowl center, right So can Hoffman be
Speaker 8: that good eventually?
Speaker 5: Possibly? So right now I.
Speaker 8: Don't feel good enough about that to be able to
Speaker 8: go into this draft and not look at the center
Speaker 8: position as being one of my highest, if not my
Speaker 8: highest priority.
Speaker 5: So Hoffman he.
Speaker 8: Has the ability, but maybe given time, he could become that.
Speaker 5: But guess what, you don't have right now time.
Speaker 3: I got four centers in this draft.
Speaker 2: That's where we're going.
Speaker 7: I got four centers maybe five that that I feel
Speaker 7: that could be better than Haffman and even be Ottish.
Speaker 7: Ka Okay, And what I'm thinking about like right now, Yeah,
Speaker 7: what I'm thinking about doing is I need to go here.
Speaker 7: I need to go early because what's going to happen
Speaker 7: is when you get down to the fifth round, maybe
Speaker 7: late fourth or fifth round, you start to get players
Speaker 7: like Piattish. So I'm trying to upgrade my center spot. Okay,
Speaker 7: Powers Johnson from Oregon is that's his hyphenated last name.
Speaker 7: That's his so's. He's one of these guys. He's the
Speaker 7: best center in the draft. The problem is he's dealing
Speaker 7: with some medical things and I'm not going to get
Speaker 7: into all of them. It's keeping him to It's one
Speaker 7: of those things that might be keeping him off some
Speaker 7: people's boards. Cowboys brought him in as a thirty visit guy.
Speaker 7: They talked to this kid. They know the medical and
Speaker 7: all that. Let's see how comfortable they really really are.
Speaker 7: There's a lot of mock drafts that had him going
Speaker 7: very high. I'm sure Patrick's seen them all and then
Speaker 7: all of a sudden, the medical information came back from
Speaker 7: the combine and he started falling down boards and people
Speaker 7: were saying, oh, maybe you can get him now at
Speaker 7: fifty six, Maybe you could trade way back, Maybe you
Speaker 7: could get him at thirty one and trade back. Keep
Speaker 7: you know, doing all that. So he's the best center.
Speaker 7: Barton from from Duke. Super smart guy, high intelligence guy.
Speaker 7: Not just because of Duke, but you watch him play football.
Speaker 7: He's that kind of guy. He's a tackle, he's played
Speaker 7: center early in his career. He's played all the offensive
Speaker 7: line positions. He's mean, he's nasty, he's tough, he can,
Speaker 7: he's athletic. There's a lot of really positive things about him.
Speaker 7: I don't think he gets to you. I just don't.
Speaker 7: I just think that maybe that people are saying, well,
Speaker 7: he's a little bit healthier, but even though he's dealing
Speaker 7: with the shoulder thing, he's a little bit healthier, healthier
Speaker 7: than what you have with powers. Johnson Fraser from West
Speaker 7: from West Virginia. Here's a guy. If you watch the
Speaker 7: Texas games, Texas has got two monsters that play inside.
Speaker 3: They got a kid named Murphy, and they got a
Speaker 3: guy named Sweat.
Speaker 2: Both gonna be in the draft.
Speaker 7: Both they'll be in drafts. One's gonna be pick probably
Speaker 7: in the first round. Sweat if he you know, if
Speaker 7: he if he cleared out everything.
Speaker 11: That, you know.
Speaker 2: Sometimes we have some problems and trust me, goes.
Speaker 3: To school there, he has the same problems.
Speaker 7: So the thing about it is, though, the the thing
Speaker 7: about these guys, he blocks those guys. So I'm watching
Speaker 7: him block NFL type players and handle them. Yeah, so
Speaker 7: I'm thinking Frasier West Virginia. Maybe a trade back situation.
Speaker 7: I don't think he gets to you at fifty six.
Speaker 7: This is the problem I'm running into now, you know,
Speaker 7: might have to go up.
Speaker 3: I know we're something.
Speaker 2: Just to be clear, did you think Barton doesn't get
Speaker 2: to you at twenty four?
Speaker 3: I don't think Barton gets you.
Speaker 2: Don't think Biden gets you at twenty four.
Speaker 7: And I think I have powers ahead of him, powers
Speaker 7: Johnson ahead of him, but I don't. I think people
Speaker 7: will look at Barton and they will say the healthier guy,
Speaker 7: similar type players. These guys are powers. Johnson's three hundred
Speaker 7: and twenty eight pounds, he's six y four, and he
Speaker 7: just yeah, and he plays second level they pull him,
Speaker 7: he gets into his block.
Speaker 3: He's just not completely healthy.
Speaker 7: Somebody will say he's healthy enough for me, which this
Speaker 7: football team might do it because they don't have anybody
Speaker 7: that's good enough like him to play center. He will
Speaker 7: make a difference in this running.
Speaker 2: Game when I don't want you to get to I mean,
Speaker 2: obviously the medicals are the medicals y stuff. That's because
Speaker 2: sometimes the medicals can be right right now. Thing like
Speaker 2: I don't know how healthy is right now? Sometimes it is, Hey,
Speaker 2: I don't how long?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Can he only play four years without see?
Speaker 7: We we they lost Frederick because of an unfortunate illness.
Speaker 7: But you know, but you only man, you had one
Speaker 7: of the best centers in National Football League only play
Speaker 7: for you first just a little bit of time, yeah,
Speaker 7: just like a college player, just a little bit of time,
Speaker 7: and then he moved on, you know. So yeah, it's
Speaker 7: their centers are Van Pran from Georgia. Another guy, okay,
Speaker 7: so yeah, good player, you know, three hundred pound guy,
Speaker 7: really good athletes, second level guy, pull him, reach him,
Speaker 7: do all these things with him.
Speaker 3: So now we're starting to get into the.
Speaker 7: Guys that were kind of a little bit like what
Speaker 7: we just dealt with what we had at center with
Speaker 7: Bey Oddish.
Speaker 3: So to me, if you're.
Speaker 7: Dallas, it's got to happen early, first, second, third.
Speaker 3: Potentially, Yes, yeah, that's where it's got to happen.
Speaker 7: And for those for those top three, I think it's
Speaker 7: going to have to happen first or second.
Speaker 3: To be honest with you, so, uh, yeah, that's.
Speaker 2: Where you're at, right I mean, honestly, I think I
Speaker 2: think center is probably if I had to just kind
Speaker 2: of rate them, I think center is the position. I
Speaker 2: think that's most necessary that the Galboys get right this
Speaker 2: draft because I really don't see a lot of options there. There's,
Speaker 2: like I said, you tackle position, you might not want
Speaker 2: to do it, but you got an option. You know,
Speaker 2: you linebacker, you might not love your depth, but you
Speaker 2: got some guys you can roll out there day one.
Speaker 2: Running Back that's another one where I'm like, I don't
Speaker 2: feel comfortable with where they are right now as we sit.
Speaker 2: So those are probably my two positions. I'm like, you
Speaker 2: gotta do something early in the draft.
Speaker 7: Of those center, you have an option to tackle. There's
Speaker 7: depth at running back that through the draft that you
Speaker 7: can go later. If you could go later there, I mean,
Speaker 7: there's the problem they're going to have is if they're
Speaker 7: looking for that one technique and I know they drafted
Speaker 7: Manzi Smith, Mike Zimmer, God, I love your brother, Please
Speaker 7: do something for him, I mean help him.
Speaker 3: But that's kind of where you're at right now.
Speaker 7: That's where you're at right now because you don't have
Speaker 7: a lot of depth at that one technique when it
Speaker 7: comes to this draft. And let's let's sweat And there's
Speaker 7: people I've talked to people around the league with sweat.
Speaker 7: They're like, they don't think he works hard, they don't
Speaker 7: think he really cares. You know, there's I mean, these
Speaker 7: are things. This is not coming from me or Dallas
Speaker 7: Cowboys dot com. I mean, this is just things I'm
Speaker 7: hearing around the league. So please don't tag us at
Speaker 7: sweat and say, oh, Dallas Cowboys dot com, Cowboys, I
Speaker 7: think you're a boss coming Not true.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you're gonna get tagged in a lot of things.
Speaker 3: Get ready. But but but.
Speaker 7: Talking to people around the league, I will make that clear.
Speaker 7: He's off a lot of boards because of the of
Speaker 7: the stuff with the off the field stuff, you know,
Speaker 7: and maybe that's the one where you say it's too
Speaker 7: good to pass.
Speaker 14: Well.
Speaker 2: I will tell you this as somebody that watched every
Speaker 2: single down of every single Texas game last year. Dude
Speaker 2: can play. Yeah, Like, I don't know about the off field.
Speaker 2: I haven't spent time with him off the field. I
Speaker 2: don't know people will spend time with him off the field.
Speaker 2: What I know is on the field, he was probably
Speaker 2: the most dynamic player on that defense last season.
Speaker 3: And that was a him and Murphy or for real.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he was a guy that was always making plays
Speaker 2: and always making plays from the one technique, which is
Speaker 2: not a common thing to see. But I will tell
Speaker 2: you a guy can play. So whatever it is that's
Speaker 2: off the field that has to be factored in. Because
Speaker 2: we've seen guys that have a lot of talent do
Speaker 2: a lot of things in college. You have to factor
Speaker 2: in those things because sometimes it doesn't translate because of
Speaker 2: off the field stuff. But I can tell you to
Speaker 2: do can play.
Speaker 3: You will sell your soul in that room to get
Speaker 3: a player that can play.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he can play.
Speaker 3: I mean you were like, Okay, tell me again what
Speaker 3: he did? Okay, what else? All right, let's go, let's
Speaker 3: go turn it in. Turn the card in.
Speaker 7: You know, really you will you will grimace, you will flinch,
Speaker 7: you will close your eyes, but then you remember how
Speaker 7: good the player is, you know.
Speaker 3: But that's the center. Is the center.
Speaker 7: Like I say, I am trying to get better than
Speaker 7: be oddish, and I think I could do it if
Speaker 7: you let me do it in the first couple of picks.
Speaker 2: All right, that's a wrap. We'll be back next Wednesday.
Speaker 2: It'll be day before draft, so we'll be getting you
Speaker 2: guys ready for the draft and what we think is
Speaker 2: gonna happen as the draft starts on Thursday night. Till
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