WEBVTT - Cowboys Break: Rolls Royce? 0:00:02.120 --> 0:00:04.600 The following is a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com 0:00:04.600 --> 0:00:06.200 and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. 0:00:08.520 --> 0:00:14.320 Cowboys Let's go. 0:00:14.760 --> 0:00:15.920 Are you ready for a break? 0:00:16.200 --> 0:00:16.480 Yes? 0:00:16.760 --> 0:00:18.360 Are you ready for a break? 0:00:18.480 --> 0:00:19.120 Absolutely? 0:00:19.280 --> 0:00:21.279 Ready for a break? 0:00:21.360 --> 0:00:23.479 Yeah, and so much for that. 0:00:23.680 --> 0:00:27.920 It's time for The Break on Dallas Cowboys dot Com 0:00:29.640 --> 0:00:35.840 with Ambar Garcia, Brian brought Us, Patrick Walker, and Derek Eagleton. 0:00:37.479 --> 0:00:41.280 It is Wednesday, April seventeenth, twenty twenty two, Season twenty, 0:00:41.320 --> 0:00:44.080 episode number three. Welcome to the latest edition of The Break, 0:00:44.200 --> 0:00:46.720 Live from that s WBC Mortgage Studios at the star 0:00:46.840 --> 0:00:50.080 of this show is presented by LG and today we're 0:00:50.120 --> 0:00:52.760 talking draft. We're going to talk about We're going to 0:00:52.800 --> 0:00:58.120 continue our position draft series. Last week we managed to 0:00:58.160 --> 0:01:02.240 get to one position and we hit quarterback and we 0:01:02.280 --> 0:01:05.080 talked about it, and I think we've got some clarity 0:01:05.120 --> 0:01:08.080 on the quarterback position. Today, hopefully we'll move a little 0:01:08.120 --> 0:01:11.080 faster and maybe get two or three positions in here. 0:01:11.080 --> 0:01:12.880 We only have two more shows before the draft, so 0:01:12.880 --> 0:01:15.120 we got to fit it in all right. Before we 0:01:15.160 --> 0:01:17.000 get to that, though, we got to catch up on 0:01:17.040 --> 0:01:21.160 some news that happened yesterday. Cowboys signed running back Royce Freeman. 0:01:21.920 --> 0:01:24.080 Listen to this. In twenty twenty three with the Rams, 0:01:24.080 --> 0:01:26.360 he had seventy seven rushes for three hundred nineteen yards, 0:01:26.520 --> 0:01:30.119 a four point one average. Interestingly, he hadn't really caught 0:01:30.160 --> 0:01:34.640 many passes since twenty nineteen. That was when he was 0:01:34.640 --> 0:01:36.960 with Denver, and he had forty three receptions that year, 0:01:37.280 --> 0:01:40.240 average about six yards perception. Last year only had one 0:01:40.280 --> 0:01:42.880 reception for thirteen yards, So not really using that way 0:01:43.120 --> 0:01:46.880 in Los Angeles, Brian, give me a scouting report on him. 0:01:47.240 --> 0:01:49.160 I haven't looked at him at all. I'm so focused 0:01:49.200 --> 0:01:49.960 on what we're doing. 0:01:49.840 --> 0:01:51.760 With the draft and stuff like that, and I don't 0:01:51.800 --> 0:01:53.520 think I don't think it's going to keep you from 0:01:53.600 --> 0:01:54.520 drafting running back. 0:01:54.720 --> 0:01:55.000 That's what. 0:01:55.160 --> 0:01:57.080 Yeah, you know, you look at you look at depth 0:01:57.080 --> 0:01:59.400 pieces and things like that. I'm just being real honest 0:01:59.440 --> 0:02:02.640 with you about the player. So yeah, that that to me, 0:02:02.840 --> 0:02:05.560 this is more about uh, you know, Will and those 0:02:05.560 --> 0:02:07.600 guys like to try and add players. Maybe they got 0:02:07.640 --> 0:02:09.560 a player on some value, Maybe there's some things that 0:02:09.600 --> 0:02:12.200 they liked when they when you know, Henry Schrok of 0:02:12.280 --> 0:02:14.960 those guys in the pro department, you know, looked at 0:02:15.040 --> 0:02:17.280 him and they thought, well, these kind of traits fit 0:02:17.320 --> 0:02:19.919 into maybe with Mike Stewing and stuff like that. I 0:02:20.320 --> 0:02:23.120 just if unless it's a running back in this draft, 0:02:23.600 --> 0:02:26.160 I am not looking at anybody else after. I understand 0:02:26.200 --> 0:02:28.880 signing guys and stuff like that, but to me, the 0:02:29.200 --> 0:02:31.600 best value that they're going to get, the player that's 0:02:31.639 --> 0:02:34.480 going to help them the most, is going to probably 0:02:34.480 --> 0:02:37.120 be picked next next Friday for them. 0:02:37.400 --> 0:02:39.280 Yeah, this isn't going to change what they do in 0:02:39.280 --> 0:02:39.840 the draft at all. 0:02:40.280 --> 0:02:43.359 This is for all intents and purposes, this is another 0:02:44.000 --> 0:02:46.360 a repeat of Ronald Jones. They're hoping that this pands 0:02:46.360 --> 0:02:48.839 out a little bit better as far as maybe him 0:02:48.840 --> 0:02:51.040 being able to show something in camp, because obviously Ronald 0:02:51.120 --> 0:02:53.240 Jones couldn't with the groin injury and then the suspension 0:02:53.280 --> 0:02:55.959 and things like that. But it's basically just it's camp 0:02:56.000 --> 0:02:57.240 insurance type of situation. 0:02:57.480 --> 0:03:00.960 This is a very professional take. 0:03:01.440 --> 0:03:07.680 But whatever highlights the highlights firing professional take. 0:03:08.160 --> 0:03:12.360 But and I'm totally judging a book by its cover, 0:03:12.560 --> 0:03:15.960 and that's absolutely wrong to do. But if I was 0:03:16.000 --> 0:03:17.840 to judge a book by its cover, and if you 0:03:17.880 --> 0:03:20.440 guys go on Cowboys Social and you see the picture 0:03:20.480 --> 0:03:23.960 of him signing, he's a big guy, he's very bulky, 0:03:24.200 --> 0:03:26.480 and he made me wondering, really, am I, Okay, how 0:03:26.320 --> 0:03:30.359 how fast can you be when you're that bulky? So 0:03:30.600 --> 0:03:33.959 it just led me to think, like, Okay, it didn't 0:03:34.000 --> 0:03:39.040 really necessarily bring any excitement because of that, because I'm thinking, Okay, 0:03:39.120 --> 0:03:41.920 maybe he lacks that kind of speed that you're hoping 0:03:41.960 --> 0:03:44.160 to get from a running back here, from a starting 0:03:44.240 --> 0:03:47.640 running back, but he does have the most experience out 0:03:47.640 --> 0:03:49.680 of all the running backs in the room right now, 0:03:49.760 --> 0:03:52.720 so that can be very helpful. But at the same time, 0:03:54.160 --> 0:03:58.400 it was just like, you know, between. 0:03:58.120 --> 0:04:01.240 The tackles, like your power guy, Like you said, Derek, 0:04:01.320 --> 0:04:03.440 there's a reason for you know, for the most part 0:04:03.480 --> 0:04:05.520 that he only had one reception last year. I mean, 0:04:05.520 --> 0:04:07.480 that's just that's not as bad, right, so you bringing 0:04:07.520 --> 0:04:08.160 them in for power? 0:04:08.240 --> 0:04:08.440 You know. 0:04:08.480 --> 0:04:09.880 The thing that jumped out to me. Nick and I 0:04:09.960 --> 0:04:11.800 were having this conversation this morning, and I thought it 0:04:11.800 --> 0:04:14.960 was an interesting point when you look at that body type. 0:04:15.600 --> 0:04:17.240 One thing that we that we're going to keep an 0:04:17.240 --> 0:04:20.480 eye on throughout this entire preseason is how much does 0:04:21.200 --> 0:04:24.760 the new rules around kickoffs affect the types of players 0:04:24.760 --> 0:04:28.200 that you use on special teams? And I made the argument, 0:04:28.279 --> 0:04:31.279 do you go bigger Let's say, for example, on kick return, 0:04:31.560 --> 0:04:33.440 can you go with bigger guys that maybe are a 0:04:33.480 --> 0:04:36.039 little bit athletic than you would normally do, just because 0:04:36.040 --> 0:04:39.159 there's shortest distance between them and defenders and you want them. 0:04:39.320 --> 0:04:41.000 You think of it now, like if I've got a 0:04:41.040 --> 0:04:44.160 guard who can pull and can block in space, that 0:04:44.160 --> 0:04:45.600 may be the kind of guy I want on a 0:04:45.680 --> 0:04:48.800 kick return because he locks on a guy, the guy 0:04:48.839 --> 0:04:51.440 he may have size advantage over the guy, and that 0:04:51.480 --> 0:04:53.600 creates some opportunity for my return to be able to 0:04:53.640 --> 0:04:55.880 crack through. So this guy when you look at when 0:04:55.920 --> 0:04:58.000 you look at a guy like Royce Freeman, I wonder 0:04:58.080 --> 0:05:00.520 if maybe what they were looking at is can he 0:05:00.640 --> 0:05:03.440 add something to a special teams type package? Sure with 0:05:03.520 --> 0:05:05.760 those new rules, And I think that's something we'll look 0:05:05.800 --> 0:05:08.159 at again throughout training camp, throughout the preseason. We'll be 0:05:08.200 --> 0:05:11.040 looking at how they this changes the kind of player 0:05:11.240 --> 0:05:12.600 you would have on special teams. 0:05:12.720 --> 0:05:14.800 Yeah, that's you know, when you look at guys too, 0:05:14.920 --> 0:05:17.520 and you're thinking about to your point is about space players, 0:05:17.560 --> 0:05:20.920 when you're thinking about offensive linemen, and we've seen you know, 0:05:20.920 --> 0:05:23.400 if you watch the XFL and others that have used 0:05:23.400 --> 0:05:26.000 this rule, this kickoff return rule. You've seen that they've 0:05:26.000 --> 0:05:28.840 been able to get returns if you have a guy 0:05:28.880 --> 0:05:32.640 that's very shifty and very quick, so because if you 0:05:32.640 --> 0:05:35.320 could get that initial block, then you've got a guy 0:05:35.360 --> 0:05:38.480 that can maybe hit it. But to your point, though 0:05:38.520 --> 0:05:40.880 you're looking at guy, it's potentially a blocker. And it 0:05:41.040 --> 0:05:44.320 used to be where you can't have every linebacker out there. 0:05:44.440 --> 0:05:46.960 Used to be teams are playing with defensive backs too 0:05:47.000 --> 0:05:49.800 on special teams as blockers and stuff like that. 0:05:49.880 --> 0:05:50.440 Tight ends. 0:05:50.880 --> 0:05:52.839 Maybe if you do have guys that are a little 0:05:52.880 --> 0:05:55.560 bit bigger but play better in space, right, then you 0:05:55.640 --> 0:05:58.160 get that opportunity to maybe bust one of these runs. 0:05:58.279 --> 0:06:00.760 Well, not to get into Ruster cuts, yeah, because we 0:06:00.839 --> 0:06:02.960 have a little well for that. Well, but how many, 0:06:03.080 --> 0:06:05.680 I mean, how many running backs are you keeping on 0:06:05.720 --> 0:06:06.080 the team. 0:06:06.120 --> 0:06:08.400 I always think that's gonna I think Hunter Lipkey's got 0:06:08.400 --> 0:06:10.360 a role on this team, so always going to start 0:06:10.360 --> 0:06:12.760 with him, and then I think they're going to draft one, 0:06:12.800 --> 0:06:15.120 whether they draft that in the second round or the 0:06:15.160 --> 0:06:18.800 third round, or if they use a pick to if 0:06:18.800 --> 0:06:21.680 they trade back situation, maybe grab one in the fourth. 0:06:22.279 --> 0:06:24.839 This draft has depth at running back and it has 0:06:24.880 --> 0:06:26.760 it from the second round all the way through the 0:06:26.800 --> 0:06:30.480 fifth round, and you could get guys that fit different roles. 0:06:30.560 --> 0:06:32.880 Some of them are shorter, some of them are wider, 0:06:33.080 --> 0:06:34.919 some of them are quicker, some of them catch the 0:06:34.960 --> 0:06:37.840 ball better. But that's the beauty of this draft right now. 0:06:37.880 --> 0:06:40.159 With the running back spot, to me, Hunter Lipkey's on 0:06:40.200 --> 0:06:42.520 this team because I feel like he does the things 0:06:42.560 --> 0:06:45.200 that Derek was just talking about. You know, unfortunately had 0:06:45.240 --> 0:06:47.360 the fumble, but he can short yardage, He could play 0:06:47.360 --> 0:06:49.560 special teams. You can move him as a you can 0:06:49.680 --> 0:06:51.159 use him as a wing, you could use him as 0:06:51.200 --> 0:06:53.400 an h you can use them as a full back. 0:06:53.440 --> 0:06:56.560 There's a lot of different things now, which one between 0:06:57.040 --> 0:07:00.160 Davis Daddle and who the rookie guy is. But I 0:07:00.160 --> 0:07:02.200 think that you're probably going to see three on this 0:07:02.279 --> 0:07:03.120 team if I had. 0:07:02.960 --> 0:07:05.440 To guess, and dovetailing off of what he's saying, and 0:07:05.480 --> 0:07:07.560 I one hundred percent agree. I think hundred Lukey has 0:07:07.600 --> 0:07:10.280 a role on this team solidified. And I believe the 0:07:10.320 --> 0:07:13.520 same for ric o'daudle as well. The question to answer, 0:07:14.240 --> 0:07:15.960 the question that leads to your answer is what's the 0:07:16.040 --> 0:07:18.440 role for duce Von If they figure out a role 0:07:18.440 --> 0:07:20.440 for duce Vaughan, then who does duces pon push out? 0:07:20.480 --> 0:07:24.040 But as it stands, because duce Von although talented and 0:07:24.080 --> 0:07:26.200 he has some potential for what Mike McCarthy can use 0:07:26.280 --> 0:07:28.760 him for, we didn't see any of that as a rookie. 0:07:28.760 --> 0:07:30.680 So he's kind of behind the eight ball because they're 0:07:30.760 --> 0:07:32.640 likely going to add a draft pick and it's going 0:07:32.720 --> 0:07:35.240 to be a guy who's expected to come in an impact. Right, 0:07:35.280 --> 0:07:37.239 So even you know you add that, you at Rico 0:07:37.320 --> 0:07:40.160 Das too, Hunter that's three, right, So now you have 0:07:40.320 --> 0:07:46.880 Maliite Davis fighting against duce Von and maybe Roy Streeman 0:07:47.000 --> 0:07:49.800 or whoever elder veteran they add. So I think duce 0:07:49.880 --> 0:07:52.200 Von is the X factor when it comes to how 0:07:52.200 --> 0:07:54.240 many running backs you're going to carry, because I'm sure 0:07:54.240 --> 0:07:56.280 they're going to try to find a reason to keep 0:07:56.320 --> 0:07:58.280 Deuce around. But you got to find that reason to 0:07:58.320 --> 0:07:58.840 summer and came. 0:07:58.880 --> 0:08:00.840 You can to see ducevonn play a ton of special 0:08:00.840 --> 0:08:04.680 teams this year and and I mean in the preseason. 0:08:05.320 --> 0:08:08.560 They're gonna have to determine because if you're third back, 0:08:09.360 --> 0:08:12.120 that guy always has to play special teams. General manager 0:08:12.120 --> 0:08:15.200 will tell you that every time he talks about running backs. 0:08:15.200 --> 0:08:17.080 He says third back has to be able to play 0:08:17.080 --> 0:08:21.600 special teams. Duce Vaughan's height limits his ability to play 0:08:21.600 --> 0:08:25.440 special teams. You know, that's again, that's he was a 0:08:25.440 --> 0:08:29.360 tremendous college player. He was a featured back at Kansas State. 0:08:29.760 --> 0:08:32.040 They handed him the ball, he did his job. He 0:08:32.080 --> 0:08:35.000 played no special teams. So in the league he's in 0:08:35.040 --> 0:08:38.679 a different category. So he has to find his niche, 0:08:38.760 --> 0:08:41.600 or they have to find a niche for him, or 0:08:41.800 --> 0:08:43.360 you know, he will be a guy that probably will 0:08:43.440 --> 0:08:45.160 keep on the practice squad or something like that. 0:08:45.280 --> 0:08:48.040 And Cavante Turpin has both hands firmly on the wheel 0:08:48.240 --> 0:08:48.840 as a returner. 0:08:48.880 --> 0:08:50.520 Well, let me ask this question because I think I 0:08:50.520 --> 0:08:52.640 think we all assume that when we saw these new rules, 0:08:52.679 --> 0:08:55.079 it was like Turpin's your guy. But when you think 0:08:55.120 --> 0:08:57.920 about what he was able to duce Vaughan was able 0:08:57.960 --> 0:09:00.400 to do in college. He was able to do some turns, 0:09:00.480 --> 0:09:02.720 he had a nice return game. He's the kind of 0:09:02.720 --> 0:09:05.720 guy that in this kind of new format, could present 0:09:05.760 --> 0:09:09.120 some interesting challenges for teams because again, his short stature 0:09:09.160 --> 0:09:11.880 makes it hard sometimes to locate him. And it's gonna 0:09:11.880 --> 0:09:14.320 be on you pretty quick. Right, and you got guys blocking. 0:09:14.559 --> 0:09:17.960 Does he then create Is this a situation where maybe 0:09:18.000 --> 0:09:20.440 he ends up being just as good, if not better, 0:09:20.480 --> 0:09:23.480 an option at kick returns and keeping Turpin maybe at 0:09:23.559 --> 0:09:25.720 punt returns. And by the way, there is still an 0:09:25.720 --> 0:09:28.280 opportunity for you to get a third receiver. Maybe you 0:09:28.360 --> 0:09:31.240 use Turpin Moore as a third receiver combined with punt 0:09:31.240 --> 0:09:33.120 returns and you use Vaughn in that other way. Do 0:09:33.120 --> 0:09:34.680 you see a scenario like that for Van? 0:09:34.720 --> 0:09:37.040 How many plays do you see Vaughn at playing a game? 0:09:37.559 --> 0:09:40.120 What's your envision for Vaughn for games play, honor is 0:09:40.160 --> 0:09:41.000 for a number of plays. 0:09:41.040 --> 0:09:42.959 It depends on whether they could find a role for 0:09:43.040 --> 0:09:44.640 him as a running back. If they can find a 0:09:44.679 --> 0:09:46.480 role for him as a running back that can be 0:09:46.559 --> 0:09:48.520 that can catch the ball out of the backfield, maybe 0:09:48.559 --> 0:09:51.400 give me, i don't know, ten reps there a game 0:09:51.720 --> 0:09:54.480 and then give me some kick returns. That may give 0:09:54.559 --> 0:09:55.960 him enough of a role to make the team. 0:09:56.640 --> 0:09:59.200 That's why Turpin is your guy, because he plays more 0:09:59.200 --> 0:10:01.920 offensive snap. He's going to be your punt returner and 0:10:01.960 --> 0:10:04.200 he's going to be your kick returner. So to me, 0:10:04.400 --> 0:10:07.600 it's if if if the thing with Vaughn. Can he 0:10:07.640 --> 0:10:10.920 get enough snaps to take. 0:10:11.040 --> 0:10:13.360 To justify say it's not worth doing that when you 0:10:13.480 --> 0:10:14.040 got a Turpin. 0:10:14.240 --> 0:10:16.200 Yeah, that's the thing about it is he has got 0:10:16.200 --> 0:10:19.240 to be better than Turpin on offense. And I think 0:10:19.280 --> 0:10:22.080 that there they found ways to use Turpin on offense 0:10:22.120 --> 0:10:25.080 that other than the jet sweeps and things like that, 0:10:25.160 --> 0:10:28.240 they were they were finding ways him actually running routes 0:10:28.320 --> 0:10:30.520 him down believe it or not, in the red zone 0:10:30.800 --> 0:10:33.960 making plays down there. So yeah, it's goat. The competition 0:10:34.160 --> 0:10:37.480 is going to be how many plays can they find 0:10:38.000 --> 0:10:40.920 for Deuce Vaughn. And you know, you can't just say, okay, 0:10:40.960 --> 0:10:42.959 he's dressed in every week because he's a kick returner. 0:10:43.360 --> 0:10:43.600 You know. 0:10:43.960 --> 0:10:46.040 The great what they'll neutralize you on that one is 0:10:46.040 --> 0:10:47.640 they'll just say, okay, if you're Dinny good at this, 0:10:47.679 --> 0:10:49.000 they'll just kick the ball at the end zone and they 0:10:49.000 --> 0:10:51.480 won't let you return anything. You know, That's that's how 0:10:51.520 --> 0:10:52.600 they'll neutralize you there. 0:10:52.640 --> 0:10:55.080 If that's the case, real quick, Brian, before we go 0:10:55.120 --> 0:10:56.800 to break, give me a couple of names, and if 0:10:56.880 --> 0:10:59.320 you guys have some names as well, give me some names. 0:10:59.320 --> 0:11:00.880 I want to know some aimes of some guys that 0:11:00.920 --> 0:11:02.800 you would think about for the Cowboys if they were 0:11:02.800 --> 0:11:04.920 going to draft in the first round, if they were 0:11:04.920 --> 0:11:06.720 going to draft in the second round, and if they 0:11:06.720 --> 0:11:08.880 were going to draft later than that at the running 0:11:08.880 --> 0:11:11.360 back position, that might be of interest to the Cowboys. 0:11:11.920 --> 0:11:14.439 I think you'd have to start with Brooks from Texas, 0:11:14.480 --> 0:11:16.240 you know, with the knee injury and all the first 0:11:16.280 --> 0:11:17.880 round pick, no, the second round pick. 0:11:17.920 --> 0:11:19.679 I don't have a first round rounding back right now. 0:11:19.720 --> 0:11:21.440 So I think you look at Brooks from Texas, you 0:11:21.440 --> 0:11:24.320 look at Benson, I think from Florida State make a 0:11:24.320 --> 0:11:26.439 lot of sense for you if you're looking down now 0:11:26.440 --> 0:11:30.600 into the third round right from Tennessee, Allen from Wisconsin, 0:11:30.720 --> 0:11:33.320 Irvin from Oregon make a lot of sense of the 0:11:33.360 --> 0:11:36.040 third round type of thing. If you're going a little 0:11:36.080 --> 0:11:38.760 bit later, I think fourth round guys. I would look 0:11:38.760 --> 0:11:41.679 at Ray Davis as a possibility there. He's played a lot, 0:11:41.800 --> 0:11:44.719 He's been in three different places as Kentucky has been 0:11:44.760 --> 0:11:48.280 his final stop here. Estimate from Notre Dame is another guy. 0:11:48.280 --> 0:11:49.559 If you want to go all the way down into 0:11:49.640 --> 0:11:54.440 the fifth round. Tracy from Purdue makes a lot of sense. 0:11:54.480 --> 0:11:57.040 He was a converted wide receiver from Iowa. He's a 0:11:57.080 --> 0:11:58.840 guy that kind of reminds me a little bit of 0:11:58.840 --> 0:12:02.120 Tony Pollard, wide receiver that's playing running back kind of 0:12:02.120 --> 0:12:05.200 a guy. So keep an eye on Tracy from Purdue 0:12:05.520 --> 0:12:07.280 would be another guy that I would look at. Those 0:12:07.320 --> 0:12:10.920 are kind of rounds two, three, four, and five right there. 0:12:11.040 --> 0:12:15.000 Well, there are so many running backs with different abilities 0:12:15.000 --> 0:12:18.160 and strengths. So looking at the group that they currently 0:12:18.160 --> 0:12:19.840 have and everybody that we've talked right now, I mean, 0:12:19.880 --> 0:12:23.640 what kind of running back type of guy or style 0:12:23.679 --> 0:12:25.520 are you guys looking for right now? 0:12:25.559 --> 0:12:27.160 Personally me nice? 0:12:27.720 --> 0:12:31.520 Well, yeah, good, impactful, dynamic in whatever they're being asked 0:12:31.559 --> 0:12:38.000 to do. When you look at the issue between Dowdle 0:12:38.240 --> 0:12:41.480 and the redundancy between dowdle skill set and Tony Pollar's 0:12:41.559 --> 0:12:43.120 last year, right, what were you missing? You were missing 0:12:43.120 --> 0:12:45.120 that sledge hammer and the sword, which is the Skip 0:12:45.120 --> 0:12:48.200 Pete reference, right, Zeke Pollard, you were missing that. So 0:12:48.880 --> 0:12:52.640 Pollard walks, you retain Dowdle, you still need that compliment, right, 0:12:52.679 --> 0:12:55.160 So for me, I'm looking for a complimentary piece which 0:12:55.160 --> 0:12:56.880 will be that power back, the one who can do 0:12:56.920 --> 0:12:58.880 the heavy lifting, the dirty work, a lot of that 0:12:59.120 --> 0:13:01.120 pick up most of those, whatever the case may be, 0:13:01.160 --> 0:13:03.880 your A gaps, your B gaps, and hopefully every once 0:13:03.920 --> 0:13:05.680 in a while he'll leak out of the backfield and 0:13:05.720 --> 0:13:08.040 give you and a random option as a receiver. But 0:13:08.080 --> 0:13:10.040 that wouldn't necessarily be his bag as much as it 0:13:10.040 --> 0:13:10.880 would be Rico's back. 0:13:11.120 --> 0:13:15.080 So you see Dowel, Morris Appaller, I see. 0:13:14.880 --> 0:13:17.679 Dow They've been missing Zeke, they missed the last year, 0:13:17.679 --> 0:13:19.160 and they don't have a Z on the team right now, 0:13:19.240 --> 0:13:22.480 which is why not even remotely similar. But we talked 0:13:22.480 --> 0:13:25.920 about Royce Freeman's build, right, He's kind of that girthier built. 0:13:26.840 --> 0:13:27.920 They are looking. 0:13:27.679 --> 0:13:29.800 For that power, right, So when you talk about someone 0:13:29.880 --> 0:13:33.400 like Estimate, for example, that's a guy, big guy powerful, 0:13:33.440 --> 0:13:36.520 he can make guys pay for trying to tackle him. 0:13:36.640 --> 0:13:38.800 That's what you need, in my opinion, to compliment. 0:13:39.320 --> 0:13:41.280 But can I take a step back, Is there a 0:13:41.360 --> 0:13:44.959 single running back currently on this roster that you think 0:13:45.000 --> 0:13:47.600 of as starter caliber in the NFL? 0:13:49.640 --> 0:13:49.720 No? 0:13:50.240 --> 0:13:55.880 Okay, So if no, that's not that's what I'm looking 0:13:56.320 --> 0:13:58.280 I might Hunter, but he's not there yet. 0:13:58.400 --> 0:13:58.720 He's not. 0:13:58.880 --> 0:14:01.320 That's why I look at Brooks and Benson, right, I'm 0:14:01.320 --> 0:14:04.400 looking for a featured guy I'm looking for because the 0:14:04.480 --> 0:14:07.440 problem that I have is though that I need. I 0:14:07.480 --> 0:14:10.240 need an explosive player. I know that Tony Powler got 0:14:10.280 --> 0:14:12.680 healthy halfway through the season. They didn't block well enough 0:14:12.679 --> 0:14:14.520 for anybody to run the football at all, so we 0:14:14.559 --> 0:14:17.480 didn't see that with Tony. But to me, I need 0:14:17.520 --> 0:14:19.920 a guy that's gonna make people miss I'm gonna make. 0:14:19.960 --> 0:14:21.440 I need a guy that's gonna be able to make 0:14:21.680 --> 0:14:23.960 to catch the ball when thrown to Now. 0:14:23.840 --> 0:14:25.760 This team does not throw the ball to the backs. 0:14:26.160 --> 0:14:27.880 You know you have to be able to blitz pick 0:14:27.960 --> 0:14:28.680 up to play here. 0:14:28.960 --> 0:14:32.120 But to me, give me the guy that can make 0:14:32.160 --> 0:14:34.840 the first guy miss, maybe make the second guy miss, 0:14:35.000 --> 0:14:37.960 and then turn maybe a negative play or a zero 0:14:38.080 --> 0:14:41.080 yard play into a four or five yard play. That's 0:14:41.120 --> 0:14:43.120 what I need right now. I think Hunter Lipkey could 0:14:43.120 --> 0:14:44.880 be the power guy myself. 0:14:45.200 --> 0:14:46.520 I do. I think Rico Dabele. 0:14:46.560 --> 0:14:48.400 If you hand the ball to Rico Dabdle, he could 0:14:48.520 --> 0:14:50.400 he could do some power things for you. 0:14:50.880 --> 0:14:53.280 I need an elusive guy. I need somebody now. 0:14:54.000 --> 0:14:57.280 The thing with to me, Brooks, Benson, both those guys, 0:14:57.400 --> 0:15:00.680 Lloyd from USC, I would take all those guys because 0:15:00.720 --> 0:15:03.120 I know they can make people miss in the hole, 0:15:03.160 --> 0:15:05.800 and I know they can make five six yards on 0:15:05.840 --> 0:15:06.200 their own. 0:15:06.480 --> 0:15:07.400 Yeah, you know, Yeah. 0:15:07.680 --> 0:15:09.040 I guess the point I was making is that I 0:15:09.080 --> 0:15:11.120 think they got a lot of guys who will complimentary 0:15:11.160 --> 0:15:14.000 parts that would be nice with a feature back. I 0:15:14.080 --> 0:15:16.720 think when you ask what are they missing, I'm like, 0:15:16.760 --> 0:15:18.440 they need a feature That's why I say good, I 0:15:18.480 --> 0:15:20.920 need a feature back that I can then use these 0:15:20.960 --> 0:15:24.120 other guys in spurts to be able to compliment what 0:15:24.160 --> 0:15:24.640 that person is. 0:15:24.680 --> 0:15:27.040 They're looking at a kid named Bucky Irving from Oregon 0:15:27.120 --> 0:15:29.680 who's a little bit of a shorter guy. Bucky Irving 0:15:29.760 --> 0:15:32.480 needs a complimentary back with him. He is not a 0:15:32.520 --> 0:15:37.040 futured back. Brooks Benson, those guys to meet Lloyd Wright. 0:15:37.440 --> 0:15:41.560 Those guys can play as featured backs. Alan from Alan 0:15:41.640 --> 0:15:44.200 from Wisconsin's a little bit more of a power guy. 0:15:44.680 --> 0:15:47.400 Probably could use somebody with a little bit more explosiveness 0:15:47.400 --> 0:15:49.680 to play with. I think Bucky Irving is the opposite. 0:15:49.720 --> 0:15:52.640 He's explosive, but he needs somebody to play with powers. 0:15:52.840 --> 0:15:55.240 How likely do you think it is that Brooks is 0:15:55.280 --> 0:15:57.040 actually there when you pick in the second round. 0:15:57.560 --> 0:16:01.000 Everybody's got him earmarked and we'll see. We'll see what 0:16:01.120 --> 0:16:03.680 happens with teams in the medical on him. Are they 0:16:03.720 --> 0:16:06.000 gonna take a back that's had a knee injury. 0:16:06.280 --> 0:16:07.080 Everybody's kind of. 0:16:07.080 --> 0:16:09.600 Got him earmarked here at Dallas. You know, to me, 0:16:09.960 --> 0:16:12.280 I could see it happening at fifty six. I could 0:16:12.280 --> 0:16:15.040 also see Dallas picking a linebacker at fifty six. I 0:16:15.040 --> 0:16:17.120 think those are the two positions you kind of need 0:16:17.120 --> 0:16:17.840 to keep an eye. 0:16:17.720 --> 0:16:19.360 On, assuming they're gonna go offensive line. 0:16:19.200 --> 0:16:22.680 For assuming it's a tackle ciner, some combination of offensive 0:16:22.720 --> 0:16:23.760 linemen in the first All. 0:16:23.760 --> 0:16:25.600 Right, let's go and take our first break. We'll come back. 0:16:25.960 --> 0:16:28.040 We want to hit the running back position in one 0:16:28.240 --> 0:16:30.800 one segment. So now let's go. We can jump into 0:16:31.480 --> 0:16:34.360 just to give a scatter report about right, and we'll 0:16:34.440 --> 0:16:35.800 jump into my receiver when we come back. This is 0:16:35.840 --> 0:16:37.040 Dallas Cowboys dot Com Radio. 0:16:38.480 --> 0:16:40.200 Todd thought it would be secure to jog in the 0:16:40.280 --> 0:16:42.920 Cheat of Savannah. 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