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Speaker 2: It is Wednesday, April seventeenth, twenty twenty two, Season twenty,

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Speaker 2: episode number three. Welcome to the latest edition of The Break,

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Speaker 2: Live from that s WBC Mortgage Studios at the star

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Speaker 2: of this show is presented by LG and today we're

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Speaker 2: talking draft. We're going to talk about We're going to

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Speaker 2: continue our position draft series. Last week we managed to

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Speaker 2: get to one position and we hit quarterback and we

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Speaker 2: talked about it, and I think we've got some clarity

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Speaker 2: on the quarterback position. Today, hopefully we'll move a little

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Speaker 2: faster and maybe get two or three positions in here.

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Speaker 2: We only have two more shows before the draft, so

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Speaker 2: we got to fit it in all right. Before we

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Speaker 2: get to that, though, we got to catch up on

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Speaker 2: some news that happened yesterday. Cowboys signed running back Royce Freeman.

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Speaker 2: Listen to this. In twenty twenty three with the Rams,

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Speaker 2: he had seventy seven rushes for three hundred nineteen yards,

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Speaker 2: a four point one average. Interestingly, he hadn't really caught

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Speaker 2: with Denver, and he had forty three receptions that year,

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Speaker 2: average about six yards perception. Last year only had one

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Speaker 2: reception for thirteen yards, So not really using that way

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Speaker 2: in Los Angeles, Brian, give me a scouting report on him.

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Speaker 3: I haven't looked at him at all. I'm so focused

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Speaker 3: on what we're doing.

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Speaker 7: With the draft and stuff like that, and I don't

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Speaker 7: think I don't think it's going to keep you from

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Speaker 3: That's what.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, you know, you look at you look at depth

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Speaker 7: pieces and things like that. I'm just being real honest

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Speaker 7: with you about the player. So yeah, that that to me,

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Speaker 7: this is more about uh, you know, Will and those

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Speaker 7: guys like to try and add players. Maybe they got

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Speaker 7: a player on some value, Maybe there's some things that

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Speaker 7: they liked when they when you know, Henry Schrok of

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Speaker 7: just if unless it's a running back in this draft,

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Speaker 7: I am not looking at anybody else after. I understand

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Speaker 7: signing guys and stuff like that, but to me, the

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Speaker 7: best value that they're going to get, the player that's

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Speaker 7: going to help them the most, is going to probably

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Speaker 7: be picked next next Friday for them.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, this isn't going to change what they do in

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Speaker 8: This is for all intents and purposes, this is another

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Speaker 8: a repeat of Ronald Jones. They're hoping that this pands

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Speaker 8: being able to show something in camp, because obviously Ronald

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Speaker 8: Jones couldn't with the groin injury and then the suspension

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Speaker 8: insurance type of situation.

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Speaker 9: This is a very professional take.

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Speaker 8: But whatever highlights the highlights firing professional take.

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Speaker 10: But and I'm totally judging a book by its cover,

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Speaker 10: and he made me wondering, really, am I, Okay, how

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Speaker 7: Yeah, that's you know, when you look at guys too,

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Speaker 7: I always think that's gonna I think Hunter Lipkey's got

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Speaker 7: This draft has depth at running back and it has

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Speaker 7: Some of them are shorter, some of them are wider,

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Speaker 7: With the running back spot, to me, Hunter Lipkey's on

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Speaker 7: There's a lot of different things now, which one between

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Speaker 8: To guess, and dovetailing off of what he's saying, and

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Speaker 8: I one hundred percent agree. I think hundred Lukey has

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Speaker 8: So even you know you add that, you at Rico

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Speaker 7: You can to see ducevonn play a ton of special

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Speaker 7: They're gonna have to determine because if you're third back,

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Speaker 7: that guy always has to play special teams. General manager

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Speaker 7: They handed him the ball, he did his job. He

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Speaker 8: And Cavante Turpin has both hands firmly on the wheel

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Speaker 2: Does he then create Is this a situation where maybe

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Speaker 2: opportunity for you to get a third receiver. Maybe you

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Speaker 7: That's why Turpin is your guy, because he plays more

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Speaker 7: The great what they'll neutralize you on that one is

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Speaker 7: I think you'd have to start with Brooks from Texas,

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Speaker 10: Well, there are so many running backs with different abilities

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Speaker 9: So you see Dowel, Morris Appaller, I see.

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Speaker 5: They are looking.

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Speaker 11: No?

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Speaker 7: That's why I look at Brooks and Benson, right, I'm

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Speaker 3: This team does not throw the ball to the backs.

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Speaker 7: But to me, give me the guy that can make

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Speaker 3: I do. I think Rico Dabele.

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Speaker 7: If you hand the ball to Rico Dabdle, he could

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Speaker 3: I need an elusive guy. I need somebody now.

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Speaker 7: The thing with to me, Brooks, Benson, both those guys,

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Speaker 7: They're looking at a kid named Bucky Irving from Oregon

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Speaker 7: Those guys can play as featured backs. Alan from Alan

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Speaker 2: let's talk about the wide receiver position. I want to

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Speaker 2: start with Brandon Cooks. He was a guy that I

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Speaker 2: think we all universally thought a lot of when the

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Speaker 2: Cowboys acquired his services last season, and I personally I

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Speaker 2: think he played okay. I don't think he was bad.

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Speaker 2: I don't think he was great. I think he played okay.

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Speaker 2: My question for you guys is how much more do

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Speaker 2: you think he has that he can provide for this

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Speaker 2: team this coming year, especially with it being his second

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Speaker 2: year with DAK, second year in the offense, second year

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Speaker 2: with CD. How much more do you think he can

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Speaker 2: provide this team?

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Speaker 5: Simply put a lot.

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Speaker 8: I think when you look at his body of work

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Speaker 8: from twenty twenty three, yes, he really started to come

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Speaker 8: into his own on the back half of that season,

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Speaker 8: but it was a slow start on the first half

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Speaker 8: of the season, which makes you wonder if he was

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Speaker 8: able to kind of hit the ground running, what could

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Speaker 8: last season have been for Brandon Cooks. Could it have

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Speaker 8: approached a thousand yards? Especially with Michael Gallup having his struggles.

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Speaker 8: So I feel like if you put it in that

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Speaker 8: context alone in this season, especially when you add to

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Speaker 8: the context of he is going into a contract yere right,

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Speaker 8: so he also has a lot to prove in that

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Speaker 8: capacity as well.

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Speaker 5: I just feel like there was.

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Speaker 8: A lot of meat left on the ball when it

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Speaker 8: comes to Brandon Cooks's utilization. As far as Mike McCarthy

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Speaker 8: returning as a play caller, I think you'll see much

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Speaker 8: more of Brandon Cooks being used in twenty twenty four,

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Speaker 8: and I think he's going to take advantage of it.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, I think that's exactly what was smith last year

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Speaker 10: was more of what I feel like that they just

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Speaker 10: weren't using him enough. How many times did we sit

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Speaker 10: here a week after week talking about and Brian breaking

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Speaker 10: down plays and saying how many times he was open

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Speaker 10: but the ball he wasn't targeted, and the ball wouldn't

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Speaker 10: go his way. So I think that after Mike McCarthy

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Speaker 10: analyzes the whole season and everything, and seeing his production

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Speaker 10: towards the second half, towards that end of the season,

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Speaker 10: I think that we would go into a year where

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Speaker 10: we see him be a lot more involved and teams

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Speaker 10: take him more as a bigger weapon in combination with

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Speaker 10: CD Lamban what he's doing, because Cidi had a great

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Speaker 10: year as well.

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Speaker 7: Where's the vertical passing game with this guy? Where was

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Speaker 7: all the speed down the field? Where was the you know,

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Speaker 7: there was a I think it was the commander's game.

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Speaker 7: The commanders couldn't cover all of us running routes, you know.

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Speaker 7: I mean, I think he made that commander's game. I

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Speaker 7: think he made several plays down the field and stuff.

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Speaker 7: That's what I was hopeful for with the When you

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Speaker 7: start to talk about Brandon Cooks everything for him though,

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Speaker 7: he started to become the guy when they figured out

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Speaker 7: that Michael Gallup couldn't catch the underneath stuff on third down,

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Speaker 7: that they just went ahead and started picking for for

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Speaker 7: Cooks to be able to run those routes. He made

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Speaker 7: some really key catches underneath. He's really not a big

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Speaker 7: slant guy, which you know Lamb is. So yeah, if

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Speaker 7: it's more involvement for Cooks, I'd like to see it

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Speaker 7: more down the field than what we saw last time.

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Speaker 7: But you know, this is a very very deep draft

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Speaker 7: and a lot of different spots, a lot of different

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Speaker 7: types of guys, a lot of different body types, a

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Speaker 7: lot of different abilities in here. So if they're looking

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Speaker 7: to if they have that pick where they say best

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Speaker 7: failed player on the board, it happens to be a

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Speaker 7: wide receiver, it's probably gonna be a pretty good pick

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Speaker 7: because there there's a there's a quality in this draft

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Speaker 7: when it comes to that wide receiver room.

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Speaker 2: Who has the best chance right now on this team,

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Speaker 2: not just not the draft, but just already on this

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Speaker 2: team of being a wide receiver.

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Speaker 5: Three MM.

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Speaker 8: Gonna go with Jaalen Tolbert. I love the strides that

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Speaker 8: the young man made from year one to year two.

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Speaker 8: He was overwhelmed in year one during the headlights was

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Speaker 8: the phrase that he used. But when the Cowboys traded

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Speaker 8: for Brandon Cooks, first thing I said is Jalen Tobert

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Speaker 8: needs to just attach himself, glue himself to Brandon Cooks

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Speaker 8: and learn as much as he can and he did

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Speaker 8: uh and he showed a lot of improvement because of that.

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Speaker 5: So nearly every.

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Speaker 8: Time that ball was targeted to Jayleen Tobart, did I

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Speaker 8: say yeah, Yeah, My head said Brooks, Okay.

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Speaker 5: Too many Jalen's.

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Speaker 8: Whenever Jalen Tolbert got the opportunity and he was targeted

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Speaker 8: by Dak Prescott, more often than not, he made he

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Speaker 8: took advantage of it. And I remember one distinctive game

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Speaker 8: where he had to drop, but the confidence wasn't lost

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Speaker 8: because Dak Prescott went right back to him two plays

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Speaker 8: later and it was a first down. So you can

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Speaker 8: see that the confidence is also there from QB one.

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Speaker 8: So when you have that confidence from the franchise quarterback

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Speaker 8: and now you have your you know, your self confidence

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Speaker 8: is built up to say, hey, I can actually play

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Speaker 8: this game at this level. I do see Jaylen Tolbert

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Speaker 8: and he should get more reps considering Michael Gallup is

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Speaker 8: no longer in the building.

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Speaker 10: I want everyone to be great, and that's like a

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Speaker 10: very It's an unrealistic thing because not everyone can be great,

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Speaker 10: or the start player on offense or the team as

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Speaker 10: a whole. So I'm just sitting here wondering can Jalen

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Speaker 10: Tolbert even though he did show moments last season where

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Speaker 10: he has taken that step up easy enough though I

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Speaker 10: don't know. But then thinking about his specific role, that's

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Speaker 10: where I'm like, Okay, do I need to lower more

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Speaker 10: my mental personal expectation to wear Okay? Is he just

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Speaker 10: enough for the role that you actually need him to be?

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Speaker 9: And I don't know. I can't answer that question right

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Speaker 9: now here. I don't know how I exactly feel.

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Speaker 8: Right here's my approach to that when because if you

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Speaker 8: go back and you look at Tobart's film from twenty

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Speaker 8: twenty three, there were several times where the ball was

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Speaker 8: being forced to Michael Gallop for example, where maybe those

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Speaker 8: balls should have been tossed to Jayaln Tobert, and then

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Speaker 8: in the subsequent game you will see Michael Gallup's targets

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Speaker 8: dropped to like one or two, and then you'll see

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Speaker 8: Tobart's increase and Tobert was much more productive running the

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Speaker 8: same being asked to run the same routes in the

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Speaker 8: same packages. So I feel like that was McCarthy kind

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Speaker 8: of grooming him to say, Hey, if Gallup is not

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Speaker 8: in the building next year, this is going to be

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Speaker 8: a huge shot for you, and I believe that his

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Speaker 8: build is not entirely dissimilar.

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Speaker 5: Right. He has a great catch radius.

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Speaker 8: Seeing him a couple of told jag Sway catches on

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Speaker 8: the sideline, which is something that Michael Gallup became famous

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Speaker 8: for here in Dallas. I believe the athleticism is there.

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Speaker 8: The only thing that was lacking for Jaylen Tolbert and

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Speaker 8: year one was the mental component. I feel like he

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Speaker 8: has the mental component now, so the only thing he

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Speaker 8: needs now is utilization in order to kind of make

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Speaker 8: it all come together.

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Speaker 3: Jalen Polk from the University of Washington.

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Speaker 2: Like, I'm not playing this game.

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Speaker 7: On the drive Ricky Show, Ricky Pierce saw Florida wide receiver.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, better than any of the guys they got here.

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Speaker 2: Let's go now, let me ask you this.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, no talking like second third round Malachai Corley. They

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Speaker 3: brought Corley in.

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Speaker 7: I know it was a lot of it had to

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Speaker 7: do with visit, probably to get the medical because he

586
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Speaker 7: got COVID before the combine, so he didn't get to

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Speaker 7: do he didn't get to do all the visits and stuff.

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Speaker 7: All three of those guys I named are better player.

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Speaker 2: But let me ask you this, are you willing to

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Speaker 2: you said, second third round? Are you willing to knowing

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Speaker 2: that you got you got areas where you need help?

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Speaker 5: Center?

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Speaker 3: Offensive?

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Speaker 2: I know center, offensive tackles, running back, linebacker probably are

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Speaker 2: way more of a priority for you to be able

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Speaker 2: to win games next season.

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Speaker 3: Senate third wide receiver, second third round. Sure, yeah, so.

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Speaker 2: Are you willing? Are you willing to forego those positions

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Speaker 2: in to get the receiver.

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Speaker 7: If the players or the wide receiver players are better

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Speaker 7: on my board? In that say, I'm going to try

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Speaker 7: and dress my needs. The first two picks is what

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Speaker 7: I'm going to try and do. I get in the third, fourth,

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Speaker 7: fifth round. If you know, I know, Patrick's going to

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Speaker 7: do a mock draft for you this week. He's going

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Speaker 7: to trade back, he's going to trade up, He's gonna

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Speaker 7: do all. So what I'm saying, if I could find

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Speaker 7: a way to grab some of these picks, and this

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Speaker 7: this organization has proven one thing. When I told them

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Speaker 7: that they needed a defensive end, what they do. They

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Speaker 7: drafted a wide receiver in the first round. They've proven

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Speaker 7: they can do that and it worked, and it worked.

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Speaker 7: You know they will they will sit there and say, oh, well, hey, yeah,

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Speaker 7: watch this we'll take I'll take that third round center

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Speaker 7: off your board at pick thirty and be Travis Frederick.

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Speaker 7: You know they'll do that here. So to me, if

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Speaker 7: I need to address the center tackle position, if I

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Speaker 7: need to address the linebacker position, I'm not gonna let

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Speaker 7: The one position I think that's holding me hostage right

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Speaker 7: now is center. That's the one position that's holding me hostage.

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Speaker 7: Maybe the left tackles holding me hostage too.

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Speaker 2: But at least you got options.

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Speaker 3: But I have, so Glass.

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Speaker 7: I'm gonna get that center, and then from then on,

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Speaker 7: I'm gonna take whoever I need.

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Speaker 3: Whoever I see that guy, that guy, that guy, that guy.

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Speaker 3: That's what I'm going to do.

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Speaker 10: So whatever we're thinking, think the opposite, because that's why

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Speaker 10: they might do.

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Speaker 7: Oh but they've proven that they have they've proven that

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Speaker 7: that when I when I'm telling them they needed an

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Speaker 7: edge flow shoe, you know they need this guy to play.

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Speaker 7: What do they do? They took CD Lamb and they

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Speaker 7: took one of the best players in the NFL. So

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Speaker 7: to me, yes, who's who's going to be the third receiver?

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Speaker 7: Polk Coray, any one of those guys you want to know.

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Speaker 2: You know, I'm actually very interested interested to see if

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Speaker 2: they can find more of a role for Cavante Turpin.

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Speaker 2: I really believe that you look at the productivity books, yeah, exactly,

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Speaker 2: but you look at the productivity in college. Yeah, you

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Speaker 2: look at what he did in college. I think he

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Speaker 2: is more than capable of being at least a third

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Speaker 2: receiver in the NFL. The question is just will they

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Speaker 2: be willing to use him in that way? And if

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Speaker 2: they are, I think that could be a very very

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Speaker 2: nice player for you, at least for this year. I

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Speaker 2: don't know what happens beyond this year, but for this year,

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Speaker 2: I do think that could be a very nice player.

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Speaker 8: I think you'll see more usage for Cavante Turpin this year.

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Speaker 8: But for me, it's just it's Jalen Tobert strides forward.

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Speaker 8: In addition to the fact that that's your former third

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Speaker 8: round pick, right, so that you know that value is

653
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Speaker 8: there as well. You want to see him developed, you

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Speaker 8: want to see him become an impact guy, and you

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Speaker 8: move Michael Gallup out of the situation so that he could,

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Speaker 8: you know, have that potential shot. And not to say

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Speaker 8: they're not going to take a wide receiver, because that's

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Speaker 8: still definitely on the boardotentially, but I mean until slash

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Speaker 5: But yeah, I do agree. I think is gonna get

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Speaker 7: To know David signed Lamb yet either, m hm think

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Speaker 2: Because that's where we are right He's just because that's

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Speaker 10: That's where we are right making things together in there.

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Speaker 9: Just throw everything in there.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back to the final segment of the break presented

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Speaker 2: by LG. We've talked about quarterback, running back, wide receiver,

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Speaker 2: and now let's jump to tight end. Let's start first

741
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Speaker 2: with assessment. I want you guys to give me an

742
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Speaker 2: assessment of Luke schoon Maker, and I want you to

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Speaker 2: go back to the first time he saw him in

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Speaker 2: training camp, to injury and other things like what have

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Speaker 2: you seen from him and what do you project that

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Speaker 2: to be coming into this season?

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Speaker 8: So hard to project because his sample size it wasn't

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Speaker 8: what you wanted it to be. As as the second

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Speaker 8: round pick. You missed all a training camp with the

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Speaker 8: plantar fasciat this issue, and then when you come back,

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Speaker 8: you're you're slow to get back into the groove, which

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Speaker 8: makes that tracks. You're a rookie who missed all the

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Speaker 8: training camp, right, you know, thank the Good Lord for

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Speaker 8: the the leap forward that Jake Ferguson was able to take.

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Speaker 8: So you're absolutely solid there for now in the future.

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Speaker 8: But from Schoolmaker, I did see some progress, so I'll

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Speaker 8: give him credit for that. He still struggled at times

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Speaker 8: as far as the understanding of the package that he

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Speaker 8: might have been in in any particular time. Blocking was

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Speaker 8: definitely up there. Like I am a big fan of

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Speaker 8: his blocking. That's something that he did very well at

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Speaker 8: Michigan as well as a play as a player or

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Speaker 8: as a pass catcher. There's development that needs to happen there.

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Speaker 8: He needs to be more consistent with being able to

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Speaker 8: bring in some of those some of those targets that

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Speaker 8: he's getting Fromdak Scott. We saw on a couple of occasions,

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Speaker 8: one being an end zone, red zone, red zone toss

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Speaker 8: where he just couldn't come up with the pass. Uh

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Speaker 8: and you and you need him to be able to

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Speaker 8: do that if you want him building confidence with Dak Prescott.

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Speaker 8: So for me, blocking it's there, It's been there at Michigan,

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Speaker 8: it's going to continue to be there. But as a

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Speaker 8: pass catcher, he really needs to take that next step

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Speaker 8: to be that true compliment to Jake Ferguson.

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Speaker 5: So that's kind of where I am. I think he can.

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Speaker 8: As long as he stays healthy this offseason, gets a

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Speaker 8: full training camp under his belt, we should see some progress.

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Speaker 11: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: You got that shoulder surgery though, right, Yeah, dealing with that.

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Speaker 7: Let me introduce you to Eric All from Iowa. No,

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Speaker 7: I'm just kidding. Eric All is a really good player

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Speaker 7: from Iowa. By the way, Yeah, I think the thing.

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Speaker 7: I am the I'm the number one driver of the

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Speaker 7: Lukes Schoonmaker bus. I'm the guy, so when you get

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Speaker 7: on the bus, you see me first. And at Iowa

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Speaker 7: he was an outstanding blocker. He was a great portam

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Speaker 7: attack player when they ran the ball. If you look

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Speaker 7: at Blake Korum, the success that he had at Michigan

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Speaker 7: running the ball, Michigan win in the National Championship, Michigan

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Speaker 7: doing a lot of great things. Michigan a very good

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Speaker 7: offense Michigan a very physical offense.

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Speaker 3: He was part of that. He was part of that.

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Speaker 7: And so what happens is scouts are taught as if

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Speaker 7: you see it once, you'll see it again. The problem

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Speaker 7: is we didn't see it with Luke Schoonmaker. Whether it

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Speaker 7: was the foot, now the shoulder, he keeps getting set back.

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Speaker 7: I think Schoonmaker cares a lot about his job. I

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Speaker 7: think he wants to be good at his job. I

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Speaker 7: think he wants to develop into a tight end. I

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Speaker 7: think he understands the pressure that's on him as a player.

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Speaker 7: As a second round pick, they need Luke Schoonmaker to

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Speaker 7: play a lot better because they did not run the

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Speaker 7: ball well with him in there, or with what was

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Speaker 7: going on at center. These are positions. We're looking at

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Speaker 7: it right now and we're trying to figure that out.

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Speaker 7: How do you run the ball better? Point of attack

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Speaker 7: tight end. Luke Schoonmaker's second round pick was supposed to

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Speaker 7: be that guy hasn't been that guy, you know. And

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Speaker 7: I'm sitting here looking like thinking, Okay, did I miss

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Speaker 7: one here. I'm not calling it a bus or anything.

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Speaker 7: I'm saying did I miss one here? But the Michigan

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Speaker 7: film showed a much better player, and I think those

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Speaker 7: guys upstairs saw the same thing I did, and that's

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Speaker 7: why they drafted the player. But the shoulder injury now

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Speaker 7: is set back. He'll fight through it, He'll do what

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Speaker 7: he has to do. Brit Brown will get him right.

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Speaker 7: But they need him to play better.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, definitely.

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Speaker 10: As both of y'ah have said, we have not seen

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Speaker 10: enough of him, And I don't know what it is,

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Speaker 10: but something about his body built that I just don't

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Speaker 10: necessarily love for his position.

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Speaker 9: I don't know what it's like. He has a type

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Speaker 9: of body that it makes you.

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Speaker 10: Think of like he's not going to be as athletic

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Speaker 10: or as flexible and being able to Yeah, yeah he is.

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Speaker 10: But I'll tell you this, one thing that I love

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Speaker 10: about him, and you talked about his dedication in wanting

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Speaker 10: to be good at his job, is the amount of

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Speaker 10: time that I've seen him, even through injuries and everything, work, work, work.

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Speaker 10: And the last player that I've seen work so hard

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Speaker 10: like that was shan Lee. Shan Lee has been the

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Speaker 10: only other player that I've seen through whatever setback that

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Speaker 10: spends the time out there even on his own, just

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Speaker 10: kind of working separately and working through everything. And I

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Speaker 10: work too.

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Speaker 7: Hopefully it's a shame it's with Britt Brown though, you know,

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Speaker 7: it's a shame he's doing with his injury right now,

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Speaker 7: the hard work and all that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and he wants to get back. But man, they

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Speaker 3: need players.

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Speaker 7: They need guys to step up, and you're right about Ferguson,

845
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Speaker 7: the development of Ferguson has been wonderful, So they need

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Speaker 7: Luke to kind of Ye we've seen adulted Schultz. I mean,

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Speaker 7: I was so critical Dalton trolls. He blocked me on Twitter,

848
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Speaker 7: which is fine.

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Speaker 5: He blocked everybody.

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Speaker 7: If it takes me getting blocked by Luke's schoonmaker, I'm driving,

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Speaker 7: I'm driving the bus.

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Speaker 9: It's the suing here.

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Speaker 3: I'm fine. Let me let me.

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Speaker 7: He's if whatever I can do to help you block,

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Speaker 7: you block me, but block the Yeah.

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Speaker 8: I tell you what when it comes to tight ends

857
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Speaker 8: and we talk about and and really quickly excellent point

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Speaker 8: because about Schoolmaker last training camp, his first training camp ever,

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Speaker 8: he was out with the Plantar fast shat is what

860
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Speaker 8: did you see him doing mental reps.

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Speaker 5: He was always on the sideline.

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Speaker 8: He was always asking wells, He was always asking questions

863
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Speaker 8: to Jake Ferguson, trying to figure out hate him the shot,

864
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Speaker 8: trying to get the nuances, whatever he could get.

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Speaker 5: He was trying to consume.

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Speaker 9: But and for a rookie, Doc tells you that's.

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Speaker 8: Very coachable and he wants to learn, he wants to

868
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Speaker 8: get better. And to Brian's point, the Cowboys now need

869
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Speaker 8: him to put that on the field. But an interesting

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Speaker 8: one and he's coming back from the torn ACL. Lets

871
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Speaker 8: talk about John Stevens Junior. I mean this is a

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Speaker 8: young man undrafted. He made waves, serious waves in training camp.

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Speaker 8: He was making waves in preseason, not unlike that Marveon

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876
00:39:18,320 --> 00:39:21,120
Speaker 8: I think he can make some problems for a player

877
00:39:21,160 --> 00:39:23,799
Speaker 8: like Peyton Hendershot, who's shown that he can be a

878
00:39:23,840 --> 00:39:26,520
Speaker 8: player as well. But Hindershot, he was on ir last

879
00:39:26,520 --> 00:39:28,799
Speaker 8: season until later in the season, came back, made a

880
00:39:28,840 --> 00:39:32,000
Speaker 8: splash payer two on special teams, but not necessarily offensively.

881
00:39:32,280 --> 00:39:34,840
Speaker 8: So when you're now talking about behind school Maker and

882
00:39:34,880 --> 00:39:38,200
Speaker 8: Jake Ferguson, what's that battle with Hindershot John Stevens Junior

883
00:39:38,239 --> 00:39:41,160
Speaker 8: looked like and also Princeton Fan looks like Princeton Fann

884
00:39:41,200 --> 00:39:44,359
Speaker 8: has basically taken Sean McEwan out of the equation. So

885
00:39:44,640 --> 00:39:48,560
Speaker 8: I'm really intrigued and excited to see what John Stevens

886
00:39:48,560 --> 00:39:51,239
Speaker 8: will be now that he's healthy or getting back to health,

887
00:39:51,520 --> 00:39:56,560
Speaker 8: and how he becomes that that catching threat. Right, because

888
00:39:56,560 --> 00:39:58,799
Speaker 8: he's long, he's lanky, he can be a red zone

889
00:39:58,840 --> 00:40:00,600
Speaker 8: threat for you. This is a guy who can line

890
00:40:00,640 --> 00:40:02,000
Speaker 8: up at tight end or you could pop him out

891
00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:03,440
Speaker 8: and he can give you some slot duties in the

892
00:40:03,440 --> 00:40:03,959
Speaker 8: red zone.

893
00:40:04,000 --> 00:40:05,920
Speaker 5: So we talk about receiver.

894
00:40:06,200 --> 00:40:07,759
Speaker 8: You can get some of those reps in the rid

895
00:40:07,840 --> 00:40:10,360
Speaker 8: zone to a rangy, lanky guy like John Stevens.

896
00:40:10,360 --> 00:40:11,680
Speaker 5: So I think there's value there for him.

897
00:40:11,800 --> 00:40:14,879
Speaker 2: All right, let's shumve to the center position. And here's

898
00:40:14,920 --> 00:40:18,879
Speaker 2: my question. Last year, obviously they had Tyler Biottish and

899
00:40:18,960 --> 00:40:21,840
Speaker 2: according to I think many people who were watching didn't

900
00:40:21,880 --> 00:40:25,400
Speaker 2: think it was his best year. There is a belief

901
00:40:25,440 --> 00:40:27,880
Speaker 2: that the Cowboys are looking at their current roster and

902
00:40:27,920 --> 00:40:31,200
Speaker 2: thinking Hoffman has an opportunity to be their center this year.

903
00:40:31,280 --> 00:40:33,200
Speaker 2: If they don't draft someone, I think we all think

904
00:40:33,239 --> 00:40:35,919
Speaker 2: they will. But if they don't, they think or there's

905
00:40:35,920 --> 00:40:38,399
Speaker 2: a belief that maybe they think Hoffman could be that guy.

906
00:40:38,640 --> 00:40:41,200
Speaker 2: Based on what you've seen from Hoffman, do you think

907
00:40:41,239 --> 00:40:44,080
Speaker 2: Hoffman could be at least as good as what Beaddish

908
00:40:44,239 --> 00:40:47,080
Speaker 2: was last year in a year where maybe it wasn't

909
00:40:47,080 --> 00:40:49,080
Speaker 2: the greatest play from the center position.

910
00:40:50,760 --> 00:40:54,880
Speaker 8: I think Hoffman has the potential to eventually be a

911
00:40:54,960 --> 00:40:58,520
Speaker 8: starter in this league. But you meant you said something

912
00:40:58,600 --> 00:41:01,920
Speaker 8: a couple of segments ago that holds true and permeates

913
00:41:02,000 --> 00:41:04,879
Speaker 8: everything we're talking about. You need whatever player you're talking

914
00:41:04,920 --> 00:41:06,640
Speaker 8: about to be good right now.

915
00:41:07,080 --> 00:41:09,759
Speaker 5: He has to be that right now. So he has to.

916
00:41:10,120 --> 00:41:12,560
Speaker 8: And though Tyler Biaddis didn't necessarily play at the Pro

917
00:41:12,640 --> 00:41:15,400
Speaker 8: Bowl level that he did the year prior, basically you

918
00:41:15,440 --> 00:41:17,920
Speaker 8: lost a Pro Bowl center, right So can Hoffman be

919
00:41:18,120 --> 00:41:19,440
Speaker 8: that good eventually?

920
00:41:20,160 --> 00:41:23,759
Speaker 5: Possibly? So right now I.

921
00:41:23,719 --> 00:41:26,120
Speaker 8: Don't feel good enough about that to be able to

922
00:41:26,160 --> 00:41:29,960
Speaker 8: go into this draft and not look at the center

923
00:41:29,960 --> 00:41:32,040
Speaker 8: position as being one of my highest, if not my

924
00:41:32,120 --> 00:41:32,880
Speaker 8: highest priority.

925
00:41:33,080 --> 00:41:33,719
Speaker 5: So Hoffman he.

926
00:41:33,719 --> 00:41:37,759
Speaker 8: Has the ability, but maybe given time, he could become that.

927
00:41:38,000 --> 00:41:40,000
Speaker 5: But guess what, you don't have right now time.

928
00:41:41,040 --> 00:41:42,480
Speaker 3: I got four centers in this draft.

929
00:41:43,560 --> 00:41:44,319
Speaker 2: That's where we're going.

930
00:41:44,400 --> 00:41:46,560
Speaker 7: I got four centers maybe five that that I feel

931
00:41:46,560 --> 00:41:49,120
Speaker 7: that could be better than Haffman and even be Ottish.

932
00:41:49,440 --> 00:41:52,359
Speaker 7: Ka Okay, And what I'm thinking about like right now, Yeah,

933
00:41:52,400 --> 00:41:54,520
Speaker 7: what I'm thinking about doing is I need to go here.

934
00:41:54,680 --> 00:41:57,000
Speaker 7: I need to go early because what's going to happen

935
00:41:57,120 --> 00:42:01,399
Speaker 7: is when you get down to the fifth round, maybe

936
00:42:01,480 --> 00:42:04,640
Speaker 7: late fourth or fifth round, you start to get players

937
00:42:04,640 --> 00:42:10,480
Speaker 7: like Piattish. So I'm trying to upgrade my center spot. Okay,

938
00:42:10,920 --> 00:42:14,640
Speaker 7: Powers Johnson from Oregon is that's his hyphenated last name.

939
00:42:14,760 --> 00:42:18,239
Speaker 7: That's his so's. He's one of these guys. He's the

940
00:42:18,280 --> 00:42:21,279
Speaker 7: best center in the draft. The problem is he's dealing

941
00:42:21,360 --> 00:42:23,920
Speaker 7: with some medical things and I'm not going to get

942
00:42:23,960 --> 00:42:27,120
Speaker 7: into all of them. It's keeping him to It's one

943
00:42:27,160 --> 00:42:29,040
Speaker 7: of those things that might be keeping him off some

944
00:42:29,080 --> 00:42:32,839
Speaker 7: people's boards. Cowboys brought him in as a thirty visit guy.

945
00:42:33,360 --> 00:42:36,200
Speaker 7: They talked to this kid. They know the medical and

946
00:42:36,239 --> 00:42:39,120
Speaker 7: all that. Let's see how comfortable they really really are.

947
00:42:39,640 --> 00:42:41,560
Speaker 7: There's a lot of mock drafts that had him going

948
00:42:41,640 --> 00:42:43,799
Speaker 7: very high. I'm sure Patrick's seen them all and then

949
00:42:43,840 --> 00:42:46,640
Speaker 7: all of a sudden, the medical information came back from

950
00:42:46,680 --> 00:42:49,360
Speaker 7: the combine and he started falling down boards and people

951
00:42:49,400 --> 00:42:50,880
Speaker 7: were saying, oh, maybe you can get him now at

952
00:42:50,920 --> 00:42:53,160
Speaker 7: fifty six, Maybe you could trade way back, Maybe you

953
00:42:53,160 --> 00:42:55,239
Speaker 7: could get him at thirty one and trade back. Keep

954
00:42:55,280 --> 00:42:58,360
Speaker 7: you know, doing all that. So he's the best center.

955
00:42:59,360 --> 00:43:04,239
Speaker 7: Barton from from Duke. Super smart guy, high intelligence guy.

956
00:43:04,560 --> 00:43:06,920
Speaker 7: Not just because of Duke, but you watch him play football.

957
00:43:06,920 --> 00:43:09,400
Speaker 7: He's that kind of guy. He's a tackle, he's played

958
00:43:09,480 --> 00:43:12,759
Speaker 7: center early in his career. He's played all the offensive

959
00:43:12,760 --> 00:43:17,680
Speaker 7: line positions. He's mean, he's nasty, he's tough, he can,

960
00:43:17,760 --> 00:43:21,200
Speaker 7: he's athletic. There's a lot of really positive things about him.

961
00:43:21,200 --> 00:43:23,520
Speaker 7: I don't think he gets to you. I just don't.

962
00:43:23,560 --> 00:43:26,360
Speaker 7: I just think that maybe that people are saying, well,

963
00:43:26,400 --> 00:43:28,560
Speaker 7: he's a little bit healthier, but even though he's dealing

964
00:43:28,560 --> 00:43:31,520
Speaker 7: with the shoulder thing, he's a little bit healthier, healthier

965
00:43:31,520 --> 00:43:34,279
Speaker 7: than what you have with powers. Johnson Fraser from West

966
00:43:34,520 --> 00:43:36,759
Speaker 7: from West Virginia. Here's a guy. If you watch the

967
00:43:36,840 --> 00:43:40,520
Speaker 7: Texas games, Texas has got two monsters that play inside.

968
00:43:40,719 --> 00:43:42,279
Speaker 3: They got a kid named Murphy, and they got a

969
00:43:42,280 --> 00:43:43,040
Speaker 3: guy named Sweat.

970
00:43:43,080 --> 00:43:43,960
Speaker 2: Both gonna be in the draft.

971
00:43:44,160 --> 00:43:46,479
Speaker 7: Both they'll be in drafts. One's gonna be pick probably

972
00:43:46,520 --> 00:43:49,080
Speaker 7: in the first round. Sweat if he you know, if

973
00:43:49,120 --> 00:43:50,960
Speaker 7: he if he cleared out everything.

974
00:43:50,600 --> 00:43:50,960
Speaker 11: That, you know.

975
00:43:51,080 --> 00:43:54,000
Speaker 2: Sometimes we have some problems and trust me, goes.

976
00:43:53,880 --> 00:43:55,240
Speaker 3: To school there, he has the same problems.

977
00:43:55,680 --> 00:43:57,839
Speaker 7: So the thing about it is, though, the the thing

978
00:43:57,880 --> 00:44:00,800
Speaker 7: about these guys, he blocks those guys. So I'm watching

979
00:44:00,880 --> 00:44:05,120
Speaker 7: him block NFL type players and handle them. Yeah, so

980
00:44:05,160 --> 00:44:08,640
Speaker 7: I'm thinking Frasier West Virginia. Maybe a trade back situation.

981
00:44:09,080 --> 00:44:11,120
Speaker 7: I don't think he gets to you at fifty six.

982
00:44:11,440 --> 00:44:13,920
Speaker 7: This is the problem I'm running into now, you know,

983
00:44:14,400 --> 00:44:15,560
Speaker 7: might have to go up.

984
00:44:15,640 --> 00:44:16,320
Speaker 3: I know we're something.

985
00:44:16,480 --> 00:44:18,160
Speaker 2: Just to be clear, did you think Barton doesn't get

986
00:44:18,160 --> 00:44:19,000
Speaker 2: to you at twenty four?

987
00:44:19,040 --> 00:44:20,120
Speaker 3: I don't think Barton gets you.

988
00:44:20,160 --> 00:44:21,480
Speaker 2: Don't think Biden gets you at twenty four.

989
00:44:21,719 --> 00:44:24,560
Speaker 7: And I think I have powers ahead of him, powers

990
00:44:24,600 --> 00:44:27,200
Speaker 7: Johnson ahead of him, but I don't. I think people

991
00:44:27,280 --> 00:44:30,320
Speaker 7: will look at Barton and they will say the healthier guy,

992
00:44:31,000 --> 00:44:34,720
Speaker 7: similar type players. These guys are powers. Johnson's three hundred

993
00:44:34,719 --> 00:44:37,320
Speaker 7: and twenty eight pounds, he's six y four, and he

994
00:44:37,760 --> 00:44:40,600
Speaker 7: just yeah, and he plays second level they pull him,

995
00:44:40,920 --> 00:44:42,000
Speaker 7: he gets into his block.

996
00:44:42,239 --> 00:44:44,480
Speaker 3: He's just not completely healthy.

997
00:44:45,600 --> 00:44:48,600
Speaker 7: Somebody will say he's healthy enough for me, which this

998
00:44:48,640 --> 00:44:50,960
Speaker 7: football team might do it because they don't have anybody

999
00:44:51,160 --> 00:44:53,879
Speaker 7: that's good enough like him to play center. He will

1000
00:44:53,880 --> 00:44:55,680
Speaker 7: make a difference in this running.

1001
00:44:55,400 --> 00:44:57,239
Speaker 2: Game when I don't want you to get to I mean,

1002
00:44:57,239 --> 00:45:01,160
Speaker 2: obviously the medicals are the medicals y stuff. That's because

1003
00:45:01,200 --> 00:45:04,239
Speaker 2: sometimes the medicals can be right right now. Thing like

1004
00:45:04,440 --> 00:45:07,439
Speaker 2: I don't know how healthy is right now? Sometimes it is, Hey,

1005
00:45:07,560 --> 00:45:08,319
Speaker 2: I don't how long?

1006
00:45:08,400 --> 00:45:08,600
Speaker 3: Yeah?

1007
00:45:09,360 --> 00:45:12,239
Speaker 2: Can he only play four years without see?

1008
00:45:12,440 --> 00:45:18,520
Speaker 7: We we they lost Frederick because of an unfortunate illness.

1009
00:45:19,000 --> 00:45:21,160
Speaker 7: But you know, but you only man, you had one

1010
00:45:21,200 --> 00:45:23,600
Speaker 7: of the best centers in National Football League only play

1011
00:45:23,680 --> 00:45:25,600
Speaker 7: for you first just a little bit of time, yeah,

1012
00:45:25,840 --> 00:45:27,879
Speaker 7: just like a college player, just a little bit of time,

1013
00:45:27,920 --> 00:45:31,799
Speaker 7: and then he moved on, you know. So yeah, it's

1014
00:45:32,040 --> 00:45:35,800
Speaker 7: their centers are Van Pran from Georgia. Another guy, okay,

1015
00:45:36,080 --> 00:45:39,160
Speaker 7: so yeah, good player, you know, three hundred pound guy,

1016
00:45:39,320 --> 00:45:42,399
Speaker 7: really good athletes, second level guy, pull him, reach him,

1017
00:45:42,480 --> 00:45:44,000
Speaker 7: do all these things with him.

1018
00:45:44,600 --> 00:45:46,160
Speaker 3: So now we're starting to get into the.

1019
00:45:46,160 --> 00:45:48,319
Speaker 7: Guys that were kind of a little bit like what

1020
00:45:48,440 --> 00:45:50,160
Speaker 7: we just dealt with what we had at center with

1021
00:45:50,200 --> 00:45:50,960
Speaker 7: Bey Oddish.

1022
00:45:51,360 --> 00:45:52,920
Speaker 3: So to me, if you're.

1023
00:45:52,920 --> 00:45:58,560
Speaker 7: Dallas, it's got to happen early, first, second, third.

1024
00:45:58,560 --> 00:46:01,200
Speaker 3: Potentially, Yes, yeah, that's where it's got to happen.

1025
00:46:01,520 --> 00:46:04,160
Speaker 7: And for those for those top three, I think it's

1026
00:46:04,160 --> 00:46:06,080
Speaker 7: going to have to happen first or second.

1027
00:46:06,560 --> 00:46:10,680
Speaker 3: To be honest with you, so, uh, yeah, that's.

1028
00:46:10,600 --> 00:46:12,279
Speaker 2: Where you're at, right I mean, honestly, I think I

1029
00:46:12,320 --> 00:46:14,560
Speaker 2: think center is probably if I had to just kind

1030
00:46:14,600 --> 00:46:17,120
Speaker 2: of rate them, I think center is the position. I

1031
00:46:17,160 --> 00:46:19,799
Speaker 2: think that's most necessary that the Galboys get right this

1032
00:46:19,920 --> 00:46:23,920
Speaker 2: draft because I really don't see a lot of options there. There's,

1033
00:46:23,960 --> 00:46:26,640
Speaker 2: like I said, you tackle position, you might not want

1034
00:46:26,680 --> 00:46:28,520
Speaker 2: to do it, but you got an option. You know,

1035
00:46:28,640 --> 00:46:31,600
Speaker 2: you linebacker, you might not love your depth, but you

1036
00:46:31,760 --> 00:46:33,520
Speaker 2: got some guys you can roll out there day one.

1037
00:46:33,840 --> 00:46:35,919
Speaker 2: Running Back that's another one where I'm like, I don't

1038
00:46:35,920 --> 00:46:37,879
Speaker 2: feel comfortable with where they are right now as we sit.

1039
00:46:38,000 --> 00:46:39,759
Speaker 2: So those are probably my two positions. I'm like, you

1040
00:46:39,920 --> 00:46:41,520
Speaker 2: gotta do something early in the draft.

1041
00:46:41,520 --> 00:46:44,759
Speaker 7: Of those center, you have an option to tackle. There's

1042
00:46:44,840 --> 00:46:48,040
Speaker 7: depth at running back that through the draft that you

1043
00:46:48,080 --> 00:46:51,000
Speaker 7: can go later. If you could go later there, I mean,

1044
00:46:51,080 --> 00:46:54,960
Speaker 7: there's the problem they're going to have is if they're

1045
00:46:55,000 --> 00:46:57,880
Speaker 7: looking for that one technique and I know they drafted

1046
00:46:57,920 --> 00:47:01,480
Speaker 7: Manzi Smith, Mike Zimmer, God, I love your brother, Please

1047
00:47:01,560 --> 00:47:03,600
Speaker 7: do something for him, I mean help him.

1048
00:47:03,880 --> 00:47:05,759
Speaker 3: But that's kind of where you're at right now.

1049
00:47:06,000 --> 00:47:08,799
Speaker 7: That's where you're at right now because you don't have

1050
00:47:08,880 --> 00:47:11,440
Speaker 7: a lot of depth at that one technique when it

1051
00:47:11,440 --> 00:47:14,359
Speaker 7: comes to this draft. And let's let's sweat And there's

1052
00:47:14,400 --> 00:47:17,120
Speaker 7: people I've talked to people around the league with sweat.

1053
00:47:17,120 --> 00:47:19,080
Speaker 7: They're like, they don't think he works hard, they don't

1054
00:47:19,120 --> 00:47:21,279
Speaker 7: think he really cares. You know, there's I mean, these

1055
00:47:21,280 --> 00:47:23,840
Speaker 7: are things. This is not coming from me or Dallas

1056
00:47:23,880 --> 00:47:26,600
Speaker 7: Cowboys dot com. I mean, this is just things I'm

1057
00:47:26,640 --> 00:47:29,279
Speaker 7: hearing around the league. So please don't tag us at

1058
00:47:29,320 --> 00:47:31,719
Speaker 7: sweat and say, oh, Dallas Cowboys dot com, Cowboys, I

1059
00:47:31,719 --> 00:47:33,360
Speaker 7: think you're a boss coming Not true.

1060
00:47:33,680 --> 00:47:35,359
Speaker 3: Yeah, you're gonna get tagged in a lot of things.

1061
00:47:35,400 --> 00:47:37,160
Speaker 3: Get ready. But but but.

1062
00:47:37,280 --> 00:47:40,600
Speaker 7: Talking to people around the league, I will make that clear.

1063
00:47:41,280 --> 00:47:44,560
Speaker 7: He's off a lot of boards because of the of

1064
00:47:44,600 --> 00:47:47,359
Speaker 7: the stuff with the off the field stuff, you know,

1065
00:47:47,400 --> 00:47:50,160
Speaker 7: and maybe that's the one where you say it's too

1066
00:47:50,200 --> 00:47:50,760
Speaker 7: good to pass.

1067
00:47:50,960 --> 00:47:51,080
Speaker 14: Well.

1068
00:47:51,120 --> 00:47:53,480
Speaker 2: I will tell you this as somebody that watched every

1069
00:47:53,560 --> 00:47:56,959
Speaker 2: single down of every single Texas game last year. Dude

1070
00:47:57,000 --> 00:47:59,200
Speaker 2: can play. Yeah, Like, I don't know about the off field.

1071
00:47:59,200 --> 00:48:00,960
Speaker 2: I haven't spent time with him off the field. I

1072
00:48:01,000 --> 00:48:02,760
Speaker 2: don't know people will spend time with him off the field.

1073
00:48:02,760 --> 00:48:05,280
Speaker 2: What I know is on the field, he was probably

1074
00:48:05,320 --> 00:48:08,000
Speaker 2: the most dynamic player on that defense last season.

1075
00:48:08,120 --> 00:48:10,640
Speaker 3: And that was a him and Murphy or for real.

1076
00:48:10,719 --> 00:48:13,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, he was a guy that was always making plays

1077
00:48:13,280 --> 00:48:15,600
Speaker 2: and always making plays from the one technique, which is

1078
00:48:15,719 --> 00:48:18,960
Speaker 2: not a common thing to see. But I will tell

1079
00:48:18,960 --> 00:48:21,600
Speaker 2: you a guy can play. So whatever it is that's

1080
00:48:21,600 --> 00:48:23,480
Speaker 2: off the field that has to be factored in. Because

1081
00:48:23,480 --> 00:48:25,520
Speaker 2: we've seen guys that have a lot of talent do

1082
00:48:25,520 --> 00:48:27,560
Speaker 2: a lot of things in college. You have to factor

1083
00:48:27,560 --> 00:48:29,879
Speaker 2: in those things because sometimes it doesn't translate because of

1084
00:48:29,880 --> 00:48:31,759
Speaker 2: off the field stuff. But I can tell you to

1085
00:48:31,800 --> 00:48:32,359
Speaker 2: do can play.

1086
00:48:32,880 --> 00:48:35,040
Speaker 3: You will sell your soul in that room to get

1087
00:48:35,040 --> 00:48:35,919
Speaker 3: a player that can play.

1088
00:48:36,000 --> 00:48:36,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, he can play.

1089
00:48:37,200 --> 00:48:39,360
Speaker 3: I mean you were like, Okay, tell me again what

1090
00:48:39,400 --> 00:48:44,799
Speaker 3: he did? Okay, what else? All right, let's go, let's

1091
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Speaker 3: go turn it in. Turn the card in.

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Speaker 7: You know, really you will you will grimace, you will flinch,

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Speaker 7: you will close your eyes, but then you remember how

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Speaker 7: good the player is, you know.

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Speaker 3: But that's the center. Is the center.

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Speaker 7: Like I say, I am trying to get better than

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Speaker 7: be oddish, and I think I could do it if

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Speaker 7: you let me do it in the first couple of picks.

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Speaker 2: All right, that's a wrap. We'll be back next Wednesday.

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Speaker 2: It'll be day before draft, so we'll be getting you

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Speaker 2: guys ready for the draft and what we think is

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Speaker 2: gonna happen as the draft starts on Thursday night. Till

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Speaker 2: then for Patrick Walker, Brian brought us Amber Garcia. I'm

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Speaker 2: Derek Eagleton. This has been The Break live on Dallas

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